protection

[tired forge]

nah tanks also get clapped by white dmg

[warm plinth]

The only thing you got right was the 6'3 part

[pallid quiver]

i haven't seen that at all outside of mistakes in the +13s i've been seeing

[tired forge]

to be honest, its more i want it to be easier to live

i think all the tanks were pushing fine

[tribal wharf]

was the profaned tinder boxes part of the blood lust drums

cuz the drums used to cost like 4k for some reason

[tired forge]

im jsut getting into 12s and i know ill be fine on druid, but if its easier on war i would rather play that

but druid has a ton of utility

[pallid quiver]

It'll be easier on whatever tank you're used to playing

There's no dramatic difference outside of P Pal

[tired forge]

iunno, the war was a breeze in 9s with 606ilvl

[lofty veldt]

Just got out of an hour long +8 NW AMA

[tribal wharf]

which boss

jk we know it was 3

[frosty mango]

I don’t feel like I get clapped at all in 12s outside of a few specific scenarios

[lofty veldt]

It was 3.

Lmao

[turbid shuttle]

I'm better at vdh but I live much more easily on pwar

pwar is immortal

[lofty veldt]

The whole run was mostly smooth

Until that.

😞

[tribal wharf]

i got bad spidey sense about the lust thing when key holder invited paladin healer

and we dont got lust

im like ohno, this is about to go sideways

[warm plinth]

What level key are you doing?

[tribal wharf]

low, but still, 4, so we would have the fort/tyr going

[warm plinth]

Only one of them though right

2nd one is at 10

[tribal wharf]

ya, i dunno, its like, when you are playing raiden vert/hori spaceship shooter "schmup" and you have a screen nuke / dmg amp

its just such a huge saftey net to have it

[tired forge]

palying what?

[clear geyser]

Does shield slam dmg scale with higher ilvl shield?

What should I craft first, weapon or shield?

[tropic tangle]

shield slam scales with weapon damage

your mitigation from block scales with your shield

[tacit smelt]

Anyone did Zekvir ?? as prot successfully?

[clear geyser]

Oh ok so if I wanna be tankier, I craft shield first?

[tropic tangle]

shield ilvl is your most impactful slot for tankiness

[clear geyser]

Oh cool that’s good to know I’ll craft 636 shield then

[frosty mango]

War or Druid. But I main heals and all the tanks can stay alive. They have other problems but living isn’t one of them

[misty shuttle]

Does anyone know if u can get fractured sparks from week i missed?

[tardy abyss]

you get them from random stuff like m+, raid etc

[lone light]

I’ve gotten him to 12%. It’s doable, but requires some luck.

[misty shuttle]

So u can always get fractures You missed then? Because we should be able to craft this reset right

[tardy abyss]

yup

[inner wren]

I ran normal raid and got all my missing sparks on my alt

[fluid widget]

How many fractures should we have so far?

6?

[tropic tangle]

uhh, I thought 8 total at this point

was just doing crafting gear on my DK, made a two hander and think I still have 4 fractures left

[ornate thicket]

Yeah 4 sparks

[tribal wharf]

yes

cuz i have 3 crafted and a spark in bag

but, the issue is i have good cloaks and wrists, belt is good too :S

can do maybe tinker wrists for brez maybe

that or weapon, but i have a nice one enchanted lol

[last lintel]

you can't do that!

[tribal wharf]

most likely, weapon

i dont have 30 mace points but i can craft it my self

then my shield and weapon have name on it

[crimson furnace]

https://www.twitch.tv/kiratank_tv

the way he uses his keyboard

and times 14's

like, I feel like anything is possible in this world, its insaneeee

[waxen quarry]

there are cs pros that play on numpad and inverted X axis movement

[sharp gale]

I timed a +7 with 1 button (i didn’t try higher yet because it’s brain rotting)

[neon elk]

Damn i hate that stupid last boss in dawn, the fact that it has variable hp and takes like 5mins is so fcked up , idk whos idea that was..

[jagged gust]

also don't take flight during the affix or else the boss takes about as long as the rest of the dungeon

[neon elk]

Iirc they fixed that already but ye ive seen that

[violet ginkgo]

So solve the affix first before flying? What if you are in the middle of flying already?

[patent musk]

is there a way to make earth elementals not pulse threat? bricking keys due to earth elementals ninja pulling cause i cant threat off patrols

[neon elk]

What bugs me most is that the boss can have +-150m hp on same key based on barels , which is super stupid

[patent musk]

2nd pull grimbatol i want to pull overseer and extra mobs, shamans use earth elemental and the extra mobs don't move

[sweet summit]

hope the shaman doesn't press it or hope it insta dies
or you aoe taunt

[patent musk]

so they cant disable it?

or manuever it?

[wicked pollen]

if they press it to live i dont think they want to dismiss it

and i dont think shamans have 4 keybinds for pets like wl and hunters do

[fluid widget]

Time to spam more keys then if we have 4

I thought we had 3!

[violet ginkgo]

Tell shaman don’t use the elementals then, just rely on the heal kit is enough without the earth elemental.

[sweet summit]

it's a guardian not a pet so they can't really do anything afaik

[wicked pollen]

oops

i was spreading misinformation on the internet

:3

[sweet summit]

maybe ask shaman discord they should know

discord.gg/earthshrine

[wicked pollen]

erga for sv how do you do 1st hallway

charge tc leap wall ava roar?

throw in a sc as well

[sweet summit]

charge shield charge sb ip leap clap ava clap hc throw wall let group demo shout ravager spear clap slam clap and so on and so forth

[turbid shuttle]

shield charge 1st gcd on golem. I don't want to blow avatar while I'm gathering, but want shield block up from first melee. then leap hammer far pack, wall, avatar, start dps

[sweet summit]

or that yeah

[wicked pollen]

i legit forgot how to pull sv

🙂

[sweet summit]

i hate stonevault routing is so aids

[pallid quiver]

i hate routing, i just hold w

[wicked pollen]

i just hate how i have to be aware of stacks so i dont fall

yeah bro +5% damage taken is fun

while i see a bear pull with incarn and they just sleep

[sweet summit]

no that's fine i don't mind those mechanics

let me limit test and see how far i can go

[warm plinth]

I'd like to ask your parents why you so cute but here we are

[wicked pollen]

yeah except i dont trust people in pugs to kill things

[sweet summit]

😳

[river vine]

quick question chaps has anyone tested the difference with brutal vitality and fueled by violence recently?

[wicked pollen]

pick what you like

forced talent

[sweet summit]

lowkey forgot fbv existed

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure there's been a bigger idgaf choice node

[wicked pollen]

ive been playing with the healing one

recently

0 difference in gameplay

[pallid quiver]

Also, iirc, only Elemental? Shaman can choose to make elementals do anything, so Enha and Resto just have Earth Elemental aoe taunt around as it drops and it swings. It's also rough to ask them to not use it since it is a defensive that doesn't ask for their DPS resource to use

[river vine]

ok cheers i just didnt know if the choice was impactful at all

[wicked pollen]

just dont pick bsv

🙂

[warm plinth]

Only ele with primal elementalist has control over their eles afaik

Unless that changed in tww

[pallid quiver]

That should still be the case, yeah

I don't touch ele at all, so

[muted pumice]

I've seen in multiple prot videos text announcements when spell reflect is activated. Is that a macro or a weakaura?

[sweet summit]

weak aura most likely

[wicked pollen]

there is a wa

its mainly for dps imo since it could make you sr less dangerous things as tank

[pallid quiver]

do you mean when their character yells that Spell Reflect is active?

Because if so, can enable with multiple things, even just making a macro to yell SR active when used

If you mean something telling you to reflect, WA

[muted pumice]

It should announce it in text chat, maybe pugs will see it and stop interrupting one of the mobs spells for it. I could make a macro for it, I just tend to spam buttons, but I guess I just need to be careful not to spam spell reflect

[wicked pollen]

i have that as a weakaura

[lusty tiger]

which slots are able to have the ascension embellishment on them?

[dusk sphinx]

soo, i did a delve and got a champ track Reactive Webbed Escutcheon shield, how good is that for prot?

[pallid quiver]

The one with no secondaries, iirc no stam, and an extremely niche proc that requires a specific scenario to even be useful before we even factor in that it is a chance based proc?

It's very good for reducing the cost of upgrading an actually useful shield to a higher ilvl.

And if it's your highest ilvl shield, the raw block value alone can be useful enough

[potent tree]

Just weapons. Remember that shields count as armor

[daring gulch]

Do Prot warrior dmg scale well with a better weapon? Trying to figure out what to spend my first Gilded crest on since all my gear is around the same item lvl.

[wicked pollen]

you should probably get a shield first

but weapon damage is really good on melee

[daring gulch]

ahh ok

Both my weapon and shield are 619 (8/8) The Brutalizer and Crest of the Caustic Despot

Thinkin maybe a crafted Shiled would be better for me?

[tulip remnant]

How hard are you pushing H Raid?

[daring gulch]

not really doing raids tbh currently doing +8 and +9 mythics

[wind prawn]

Anyone here running into the fray?

[tulip remnant]

I’d craft a shield, you’re getting Gilded Crests to craft a 636 and not getting access to Heroic/Mythic raid.

Big Shield is bueno

[daring gulch]

Sounds good thank you!

[viral berry]

We want any of the trinkets from ulduar?

[graceful kite]

Raid loot is a myth

Craft a shield

[limpid plaza]

Helloooo, does anybody knows why pretty much all prot warriors are running this trinket?

Tought it was trash

[sweet summit]

it looks good on hps meter

[graceful kite]

Because its a good defensive trinket i guess

[sweet summit]

and is basically the only "tank trinket" that exists

right now

[graceful kite]

And top prot warriors do top level kets

In normal mans content you just press shield block and wall and be fine

[tribal wharf]

i think they buffed it

it was doing 1m heal per minute before this

thats from 29 minutes run

i would take one of them myth from my vault personally, but whatever

[magic trench]

Is prot warrior tankier than guardian for m+? Anyone experience with both?

[limpid plaza]

I see

Thanks a lot guys

Just restored it cause I sold it since it was D tier on wowhead

[jagged gust]

Not much is tankier than guardian inside of incarn, but prot war runs the embellish that only works above 80% hp for a reason

[graceful kite]

Yes

[marsh axle]

hey, have any Spreadsheet for intervene usage on dgs? like the most important ones?

[tribal wharf]

oh... i forgot about tihs...

[graceful kite]

No

[edgy bone]

I would also like this

[tribal wharf]

melee abilities that are targeted at not you that you your self could normally block (melee)

[maiden nimbus]

On grim batol when pugging towards the 2nd boss.

Do you guys usually do a double pull and stand in the safe spot while the boss passes by?

Or do you run back and reset the boss then pull a bit more trash?

I’ve had some pugs not move to the safe spot and pull the boss. So I feel like resetting is safer but slower.

[tribal wharf]

don't over think it too hard

i just use intervene on the low hp guy for +500k healing on the meters

[edgy bone]

Are people really struggling to survive so bad that they need that poopy swarmlords shield trinket

[tribal wharf]

(storm shields)

i cant comment on the raid trinket, one im speaking of is a personal pick from SV

i like the effect

[edgy bone]

Every healer I talk to says 500k is nothing for a shield

And to not even bother

So I just take the multi storm bolts

[tribal wharf]

your rogue whom is hanging on by 20k hp by dear life and leech

will appreciate you

[edgy bone]

What do you mean leech

How does leech interact with storm shield?

[tribal wharf]

im making a joke scenario of some rogue giga struggling on the boss to illustrate its good ability

[edgy bone]

Better than multi-single target stuns though?

I've stunned so many casts that would've killed someone

And hit way harder than 500k

[tribal wharf]

ya, you can ask the better players here but there are times when it makes the difference if a friend lives or not

especially when you combine the 500k with that you can then also block a melee ability for them

[brazen flax]

Approx how much mastery and versatility do you want as a tank?

[turbid shuttle]

multi storm bolt is worse than no talent at all

it makes the cooldown longer, and it stuns random other enemies which just DRs them for when you actually want a stun

[tribal wharf]

question is wrong mindset, its based on the spec, and hero trees

[brazen flax]

standard M+ mountain thane build

[tribal wharf]

versa, to sum it up, wont save you, in the way that you could be saved by having offensive stats and playing well.

you want low amounts of vers mastery

[brazen flax]

so just grab as much haste/crit then?

[tribal wharf]

yep, total stat count in general, haste first

[brazen flax]

cool, thanks a lot

[tribal wharf]

str >>>> haste > rest

[brazen flax]

but if you are crafting an item, you would just go fireflash stats on it?

[turbid shuttle]

haste/vers or haste/crit are both fine. crit gives you more effective DR on average, but only applies to things you're already strong against (with a few exceptions). vers gives less effective DR, but it applies to everything. flip a coin, or pick based on your preference, or whatever. it doesn't matter too much.

[tribal wharf]

crit is because we get parries out of it, which negate all dmg from that attack if procced

there isnt wrong secondary stat

[brazen flax]

thanks guys

[velvet knot]

Was my death my fault? Idk what I could have done better.

SB/IP uptime was 90%

[south zealot]

every death is your fault

[velvet knot]

damn you right 😔

[south zealot]

barring extreme situations

[urban portal]

It’s hard to know

[south zealot]

would have to see your cd usages before this pull to see what happened

[urban portal]

Did you have last stand

Did you have shield wall

Did you waste shield wall anywhere else

[velvet knot]

I used everything.

Cycling through

[urban portal]

It looks like you took a back shot

A melee did 1 mil

When the previous melee from that mob did 120k

[velvet knot]

you might be right, i was dodging a cone

[marsh axle]

i actualy see someone intervene the 2 boss of boralus, seems nice

[urban portal]

Yeah you took a lot of back shots in the last 1.5 seconds

Melee going out for 500k+

[velvet knot]

Alright ty ❤️

[marsh axle]

and the breath for 1st boss of necrotic looks sick

[tribal wharf]

this is what screwed you

2 million + dmg in a single frame

this dont help either

4 m dmg in 1 gcd

no wonder you died

[jagged gust]

I'm seeing people bring up IP uptime a lot lately, where is that coming from?

are they using it as a metric for rage usage when people don't log or something?

[tribal wharf]

loosely translated its cuz we use it as dump, so uninformed players think its something we have to keep up 100%

it gets lost in the telephone game

[south zealot]

prot warrior is considered good by the population and its thought of as active mitigation

by the general population

never comes up when prot earrior isnt considred good

[round cliff]

do we not xd

[tribal wharf]

sort of? whenever there is pain to ignore or rage to dump....

[south zealot]

ignore pain is how you spend the vast majority of your rage as mountain thane

[urban portal]

As a tank it’s not about what you do 90% of the time

It’s about how to live the last 10%

That’s like saying the bank gets robbed once a year

[tribal wharf]

read the prot guide again and it will explain why we do what we do

[urban portal]

So how can you prevent that one robbery

[round cliff]

i cant read

[tribal wharf]

sb up time, not blocked attack, but also blocked attack should START at 90% +

should, um, its mostly about blocking the big impactful boss abilities and similiar

so if the boss doesnt do any melee, and just casts spells, SB not as important

[sharp gale]

Well you still want 100% shield block even if the boss don’t attack you

[tribal wharf]

again, yes but no

[south zealot]

more shield slam damage

[sharp gale]

Yes for SS dmg

[tribal wharf]

because you cant afford to let block drop at a ctrical raid boss melee based ability

that you have no choice but to block

[delicate kraken]

Anyone know a good mist maze addon/wa

[sharp gale]

If I can maintain shield block 98% without SC, randoms Bolster/Last Stand, while only using a 1 button cast sequence macro, you can have shield block every time

[fierce kindle]

guys

i have a question i just logged in today after patch

and i cant keep 100% uptime on shield block anymore did anything change that i did not see

or did i fuck something up

[jagged gust]

whats your build

[fierce kindle]

into the fray

[jagged gust]

well there's your sign

[south zealot]

how much haste do you have

[fierce kindle]

i had 100% before patch tho

[tribal wharf]

do i have to cahnge my name agin

[fleet flicker]

weekly 10 key with a friend, still bad with pressing shield slam sometimes

[warm plinth]

Eh?

[south zealot]

how many ppl do you have in melee

[sharp gale]

You play into the fray, they nerfed rage gains

[warm plinth]

That shouldn't affect SB uptime though

[fierce kindle]

atm im at almost 18k with food buff for haste and haste flask

[sharp gale]

Nothing changed

[south zealot]

your haste is low

[sharp gale]

Yes exactly

[warm plinth]

But if you don't have 35%+ haste before ItF, you shouldn't be running it.

[jagged gust]

in m+

[fierce kindle]

yea im 32% without itf

[jagged gust]

outside of haste week

yeah way too low

[fierce kindle]

ohhh

hmm

how the fuck do i get 3% again then

[tribal wharf]

i hear 35% i hear 40% and i hear 42.069 some bs for it

[fierce kindle]

i really do not want to loose itf its so fun

[tribal wharf]

itf

so.... wtf

[south zealot]

get more haste

[fierce kindle]

so it was the haste affix last week that made it playable then for me

[south zealot]

not really any other way lol

[sharp gale]

Yes I thought it was 40%+ haste

[fleet flicker]

🤷‍♂️ I'm at 29% with HR and I have 0 problems keeping 100% uptime

especially easy with shield charge

[south zealot]

hr gives a toddler full sb uptime

[jagged gust]

as a raid tank you'll have off tank moments where you're not tanking so you can let SB recharge with ITF, and haste week affix lets you get most of the way, so it's not a 100% thing

[south zealot]

itf you need lots of hasye

[tribal wharf]

i have no idea where 35% come from 40% i saw first

[sharp gale]

You play HR you don’t need anything else to maintain SB

[fierce kindle]

i mean in raid its chill

its just in 10+ keys

when shield block dops its big bad

man do i really have to go back to HR sadge

[fleet flicker]

kinda wanna try this

[sharp gale]

Ofc it’s like a brewmaster not activating shuffle

[fierce kindle]

i guess both crafted shield and weapon is kinda shit

mehj

[sharp gale]

Just show them your back to see what happens when SB drops

[fierce kindle]

yea i know

what is the haste number i need

so i can estimate what i need to change to be abel to run itf again

[south zealot]

its good as colossus

20k buffed is only sketchy if you dont have ppl in melee

in my experience

20k unbuffed will give you 0 issues

[fierce kindle]

fair

hmm

fml i have no clue how to get that much

a new ring can give me 1.2k

maybe change str trinket with another haste one?

[sharp gale]

Ilvl, gems, different gear

[fierce kindle]

yea if only i could get the necklace from raid

xdd

[toxic pewter]

which would you guys use champion track sikran neck or a mythic neck from rashanan

[south zealot]

nah no need

[fleet flicker]

depends on current stats, sim

[fierce kindle]

also sorry for all the question i am still kinda new to the game haha

[toxic pewter]

a dude want to give me 100k for the myhic neck

[fierce kindle]

only started like 3 weeks ago

[fleet flicker]

100k for that neck is an insult

[toxic pewter]

is that too low u mean

[fierce kindle]

well i did play a bit in legion but not like "tryhard"

[fleet flicker]

imo

[ornate thicket]

I paid a guildy 100k for the heroic rare cloak

[toxic pewter]

yeah this isa guildie

[south zealot]

yeah

[ornate thicket]

So yeah for mythic piece its low

[toxic pewter]

yeah i agree

[ornate thicket]

I use that neck. Its solid but really suffers the lack of haste

[toxic pewter]

yeah ngl i dont want to lose the haste lol

i actually think the champion sikran neck is better personally

[sharp gale]

I would use the rash neck

[toxic pewter]

dang really

[sharp gale]

Personally

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

[fleet flicker]

if you live or not is a matter of pressing your buttons

[sharp gale]

But I would sim

[fleet flicker]

only other factor is damage

in which case you sim

[toxic pewter]

just annoying situation

the sim will show mythic neck for sure

cuz it has so much crit

[sharp gale]

And sim the neck at 639 if you sim

[toxic pewter]

just losing 3k haste feel bad

[ornate thicket]

Yeah most likely. The sikran neck on heroic is actually really good. If that was 626 then itd be closer

[toxic pewter]

yeah i love sikran neck lol

[sharp gale]

But just by ilvl difference 20 ilvl from two items, I know what the sim will tell

[toxic pewter]

yeah the mythic neck wins in the sim

but like for some reason it feels worse to me i guess cuz losing the haste

and the effect

[sharp gale]

You will not die with both necks

[toxic pewter]

yeah true

[frigid solstice]

is my shield block uptime bad? 😮

[sharp gale]

You died ?

[frigid solstice]

well during the run I only had 2 deaths

[turbid shuttle]

unless your active time was 78%, yes that's bad

[warm plinth]

Uptime isn't the relevant metric

But that's probably low

Go to damage taken, hover over the hits number of "melee"

[urban portal]

Is this keys

[frigid solstice]

Oh sorry yes this is a +9

[warm plinth]

As well as the hits number of other relevant mechanics that are blockable

[urban portal]

Because keys can have low uptime due to downtime while walking around

78% is fine

[warm plinth]

You should have as close to 100% blocked hits as possible

[urban portal]

This is the most importsnt thing

You can pad shield block uptime by blocking out of combat

[frigid solstice]

oh is there a setting to only show combat time on logs?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qkgHZR4VG6bwXzKJ#fight=1&type=auras

[warm plinth]

this is lower than you want it to be

It's not terrible, but you want to shoot for over 90

[frigid solstice]

ah so i need to be hitting shield block more

[urban portal]

You should be hitting it when you are getting hit

[jagged gust]

I'm seeing 72/28 on my side

[ornate thicket]

Press it as you charge into a pack too

And charge the front mobs. Charging thru can net back attacks

[frigid solstice]

ooo smort

[sharp gale]

Yes press SB when you charge otherwise you are a blood dk

[urban portal]

Are you looking at blocked damage

[jagged gust]

Damage taken > melee > hover, am I checking it wrong?

[urban portal]

You look at hits

Not the damage itself

Notice how his is like 600 ish

Is yours in the millions

[turbid shuttle]

your build is a bit cooked. swap itf for hr (this will fix your block issue). swap sudden death for bloodsurge or disrupting shout. swap fueled by vioelence for brutal vitality. in hero tree, swap snap inducation for flashing skies. I'd also swap best served cold for fight through the flames, but whatever. frothing berserker in the class tree is also pretty useless.

[frigid solstice]

oh snap! let me change those up right now

[fierce kindle]

bruh change from ITF to HR feels so bad

😦

[urban portal]

Yes you are hovering the damage instead of # of hits

are you understanding the difference

[jagged gust]

not at all no

[warm plinth]

Are you looking at the number in the hits column

[urban portal]

He’s not he’s looking at damage

Hover over the “772”

Instead of the bar

[jagged gust]

oh god, I see now

Thanks a lot

I've been misinterpreting that for ages apparently

[urban portal]

Yeah

It’s misleading

[warm plinth]

Yeah if you hover over the bar, you're including misses, parries, dodges

[urban portal]

If you have a 90% dr on your block, blocking 9/10 hits would show up in damage as 50% damage blocked

Just because how math works

Because unblocked hits do more damage than blocked hits

[warm plinth]

It's not recording damage blocked in that section

It's still blocked hits, but it's looking at ALL hits, including ones that missed or were mitigated some other way (e.g. dodge/parry)

[urban portal]

No you are misunderstanding it

It indirectly is recording blocked damage

Notice how the average blocked hit is 40% of an unblocked hit

[warm plinth]

Huh?

[urban portal]

Look at the average on the right most column

[sharp gale]

I get up of my bed just to see these logs

[urban portal]

The average blocked hit does 400k and the average unblocked hit does 1mil

[turbid shuttle]

rage gen is also way too low, probably because shield slam cpm is extremely low. you had ~512 rage per minute in combat, with only 7.6 cpm on ss. I'm 13+ cpm on ss, with ~700 rage per minute in comba (same key, mists, for my log)

[warm plinth]

Yes, I mean it's the same thing, but that's not what it's actually recording. It IS looking at hits, not damage. It just works out that way because it IS looking at all hits.

[urban portal]

There is no mention of raw quantity of hits in that entire box

It’s all damage

[warm plinth]

It literally says "blocked hits" sir

[urban portal]

Yes and all the numbers are with respect to damage

Blocked vs unmitigated hits are just ways for you to understand the two different kind of hits

If you have 50% dr on blocks, and each hit does 1k

And you take 10 hits

And block 9

You’ll have 90% blocked hits

But you blocked less than 90% damage

[warm plinth]

Obviously, but you did block 90% of hits

And that's the relevant metric.

[urban portal]

Yes

And this is why we don’t look at this because it’s looking at raw damage

[tribal wharf]

unblocked melees from tiny add spidees non elite doesnt matter as much as tank buster 9000 cast from tank deleter mob being blocked or not

[urban portal]

We want the box with the small numbers

Not the large numbers

[tribal wharf]

mostly blick the big shit and you should be fine

[warm plinth]

No, we look at hits because looking at hits only factors the ones that actually connect, not all "casts" of melee.

If you parry something, you obviously don't block it, because it didn't hit you

[sharp gale]

It shows how many are missed hits

[warm plinth]

So seeing that point of data as an unblocked hit isn't helpful

[urban portal]

No parried hits doesn’t go in that section at all

[tribal wharf]

say he casta some melee shit at you that would hiit you for 5 million, but its blockable

[urban portal]

Notice how there’s no 0 in the “hits” section

[tribal wharf]

okay, now it does like, 2m, way more managable

[warm plinth]

Nvm I see what you're saying

I was confused.

[terse hollow]

Could I bug someone for further crafting advice? I crafted shield and wrists with lining and crafted a 1h without embellishment I have pushed the shield and sword to 636 now and was wondering if the wrists should go next? I have a spark left so could craft a whole other piece? Or do I just start pushing hero pieces to max? I'm like 619 ilvl now and only doing keys and aotc raiding

[warm plinth]

You're right

[urban portal]

It happens

[zinc iris]

About what haste we looking for to swap to into the fray

[warm plinth]

35% before ItF

[tribal wharf]

i thought it was 42 because it brings us to 50% which is 100% sb

35 would put you at 42

[sharp gale]

Should start to spend crests in myth track items

It’s more efficient for crests

[warm plinth]

ItF is multiplicative, not additive, as are all % haste gains.

[urban portal]

Going back to this example, the damage graph would show 82% while the hits graph would show 90

[turbid shuttle]

another way to confirm with hekili is talking about: if you look where it says 72/28, and there are raw damage amounts also listed. 300m for blocked hits, and 116m for non-blocked hits. 300/416 = 0.72

[terse hollow]

Up to now I have zero of those, only rolled this character last week

[frigid solstice]

Not a fan of frothing beserker? 😮

[tribal wharf]

fury is that way

[sharp gale]

Okok i try to keep 75 crests always on me for the vault

I spend the rest

[turbid shuttle]

here is how much rage frothing berserker gave. Personally... I'll take literally anything else.

that's on 96 revenge casts btw

[urban portal]

Frothing berserker used to be unskippable

But now you can trade it for menace

[sharp gale]

You should then spend everything but 75 crests unless you mythic raid

[urban portal]

But either one is situational

[turbid shuttle]

I don't take menace either

[urban portal]

You need either to path down

[tribal wharf]

im not manly enough to run col in keys

[urban portal]

Sorry not menace

Intim shout

I got those two mixed up

[turbid shuttle]

intim shout always take yea

[urban portal]

But I don’t think that’s too big of an issue

Intim shout is situational

[turbid shuttle]

can't go wrong with another stop in m+

[urban portal]

Ye I would take it

In dragonflight frothing was mandatory and it was cringe

[tribal wharf]

it felt horribke for me to hit int shout in keys

feels better now

[urban portal]

Yeah you were bad at the game back then

You got better now

[terse hollow]

What's the 75 hold for? And in still not sure on what's best to use them on

[sharp gale]

to upgrade what you will take in the next vault

[tribal wharf]

in df you can ask regulars of this chat i swore up and down the button was cursed and many times untalented it

[frigid solstice]

awesome, now to get rid of shock wave

[terse hollow]

Okay that makes sense, I only got 1 m10 slot last week and it was kinda untakeable trinket vs hero 4 set so yeah no myth yet. Outside the 75 hold though am I crafting or doing hero pieces?

[tribal wharf]

i dont mi d it as much now but i find it a very bad button to hit compared to oyhrr things

[sharp gale]

as you want, i'm not in your case, i picked a myth track every week and crafted 3 items (1 because i play fury in raid)

[sleek current]

Intimidating Shout is class mate.

[terse hollow]

Okay well I've been crafting 636 weapon and shield cause I know I won't see them from raid with having an extra spark I dunno if I should just send another 636 piece

[sharp gale]

craft the wrist or the belt in my opinion since they are bis slot for embellish

[terse hollow]

Yeah I have embelish on 636 shield and 619 wrists

[sharp gale]

that's good, the shield will be replaced anyway, maybe upgrade the wrists or craft belt unembellish for now (if you don't care about recrafting/gold etc)

[terse hollow]

Why would my shield get replaced? 😮 yeah gold isn't an issue. I can definitely send a belt after the wrists

[sharp gale]

because you want a 639 shield

same with the weapon

[terse hollow]

Seems unlikely one would show in vault when I'm only getting 1 slot a week. Could happen though I guess

[frigid solstice]

639 SHIELD /droll

[sharp gale]

it's temporary crafts because you need them until you loot them, don't worry it's not "wasted"

i crafted shield/wep too

like that i can open my vault as arms spec

[terse hollow]

Just seemed the best option to me when my chances of seeing them from raid is close to zero. I'd love to raid mythic but ya know it's a lot of time and well finding a guild that does mythic and needs a tank is close to impossible at this point

[sharp gale]

you can try to pug the 4 first bosses, the bis weapon is on sikran, but it is pug mm

[terse hollow]

I definitely could, not sure they'd gamble on me with zero prog and low ilvl but I should try

[tired forge]

noticed kira uses Authority of Radiant Power, would that be better for strictly m+ for the primary stat?

[sharp gale]

just kill the first boss, then next week join a tag on sikran where they need a tank to accept the tag because someone left

they will see you killed the first, and take you

[terse hollow]

That's a great idea

Thanks for the tip

[sharp gale]

you don't care about killing every boss if you are afraid of "accepting a tag", well you would not have mythic raid in the first place so you don't care

[terse hollow]

Makes sense to me

[sharp gale]

pug disbands on the second boss, and rarely do the fourth

i talk about THE random pug

[terse hollow]

Yeah 1 and 3 definitely seem easiest out of the first 4

3 is a nice one to get each week, that's sword and neck right?

[sharp gale]

if you want to tag sikran without even 1/8 showing on your name, i think you need at least curve and good rio

[stray sonnet]

why is prot warrior m+ mountain build crit/haste as priority stats? don't we want heavy vers?

for survivability

[south zealot]

haste is prot warriors best stat by far, vers and crit are pretty much equal prio

[terse hollow]

From what I've seen it's crit Haste in like low keys or other easy content and vers replaces crit as you go up

[stray sonnet]

ok so maybe i should target haste/vers

[south zealot]

crit reduces more damage overall with parry but vers reduces some dmage that crit doesnt work on

[stray sonnet]

ic

[terse hollow]

I have curve and 2300 with 2500 main

[south zealot]

just pick haste on every piece other than that it doesnt matter

you want a spread of the other 3 stats

[sharp gale]

on first you got shoulders that are "intersting" just for ilvl, other wise sikran got gloves+weapon+neck

[terse hollow]

I thought cloak was from 4? The rare one with the proc?

[sharp gale]

oh yeah i thought sikran had a cloak x) yes it's the neck on sikran

[terse hollow]

Had me thinking I was crazy there for a sec 😅

[sharp gale]

on second boss you want everything

[terse hollow]

Good luck pugging that eh

[sharp gale]

yes if i was you i would just try to pug the first and keep an eye sometimes if a tag sikran is in LFG

[terse hollow]

Gunna make that the mission now

Get at least 1/8 this week

[zealous goblet]

does anyone know why skam's shard is a tank trinket but the gb trinket isnt?

[warm plinth]

is one stats and one damage

[zealous goblet]

nope. both give mastery

[warm plinth]

Then it's to make you ask questions

[zealous goblet]

i got both of them, but i'm just so confused

[ripe flame]

I'm trying to make myself a spreadsheet for prot warrior Intervenes in M+ (And spell reflects once i get there) But Does anyone else have any other Useful Intervenes they've found? So far i've got

• Ricochet on 2nd Boss of Siege.
• Blightbone (1st boss of NW) Heaving Retch.
  If anyone else has any others they've seen or found im tryna grab em all to put on my list, i've only seen Ricochet, but havent tried Blightbone myself yet.

[smoky anvil]

Vening the rapid evolution or wahetver adds on last boss of mists is p based ime

[zealous goblet]

i don't use intervene because im a brainlet and i love my 5% move speed too much

good on you for being a good team player

[ripe flame]

Oh thats fair. Like the gorms on their fixate? Not 2 bad of a save

[sharp gale]

you are fixated instead of the target ?

[novel temple]

Is 595 too low to get into heroic palace* pugs?

[inner wren]

have u tried?

[novel temple]

Been trying

[inner wren]

i tanked 7/8h at 600

[novel temple]

Oooo, just got in

[pallid quiver]

I would expect your average likely to clear group is looking for 615 by this point

If you get accepted at 595, I'd expect a rough time

You can comfortably clear at like 580 whole raid if people are playing the game, though

[smoky anvil]

you just vene them and absorb the melees, nothing crazy

can be useful tho

[granite briar]

Howdy everyone! I am tanking for my guild trying to prog to H Ansurek. I was wondering if someone could look over my logs and let me know what I can improve? I'm open to all constructive critiques and advice. Thanks!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KWx3vkCJt2cgX7am#fight=last&type=summary&source=13

[sharp gale]

you struggle personally or it's more of a overall question on the fight what needs to be improved by the group ?

[granite briar]

I'm trying to be better to help my guild, but if you have anything the people I'm raiding with could do better I would appreciate that too!

If you want to do that, I just want to play better.

[granite briar]

so I guess personally lol

[void wadi]

how do u tank the ara kara adds before the last boss that slows u like 99%

got caught without leap and got fked lol

[merry trout]

hey, in stonevault, on ther way to skar boss, right before entering the room, there are like 3 packs right? i try to pull them togeather but something in there almost 1shots me each time, what is it and how do i deal with that

[south zealot]

avatar clears the slow

[south zealot]

despoiler cast

spell reflect or defensive it

[merry trout]

ahh ok, can they be interrupted?

[south zealot]

no

you have to reflect or defensive it, it hits REALLY hard

[merry trout]

ahh

[pallid quiver]

The name of the cast should be Shadow Claw, iirc

[pallid quiver]

You should probably start boss, as a heads up, since Prot War has access to spell block, which is perfectly timed to catch every liquefy and can make it do almost trivial amounts of damage. Your cotank is also a Prot Pala, who has more ways of dealing with the healing absorb to help out healers than Prot War does, though your cotank could also just LOH you to help clear it

[granite briar]

my co tank is a dh

[pallid quiver]

where

where the hell did i get sent to then

[granite briar]

lol uh i don't know lemme check. I had no idea you could spell block liquefy that's insane

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, every tank buster I can think of this season that has a magical component is spell blockable

Also, the same thing will apply, then, but to a slightly lesser degree

Prot War is probably the single best tank for the Liquefies because they're spaced exactly 1.5 mins apart, iirc

So it means you get to spell block every single one, and that trivializes the damage that comes out

okay, i found a log that looks to be you

You only have one cast of SR on this pull which got to intermission, which means you're likely not using it to deflect the root cast

[granite briar]

Yeah that's nuts. I'm trying to find the log for Queen Heroic but I'm having a hard time. I'm kinda new to warcraft logs thanks for being patient

I'm not. So to clarify, should I use spell reflect or spell block on the liquify?

[pallid quiver]

No worries, this appears to be a group of logs from someone who did multiple groups is the big reason why

[granite briar]

that would be my RL. Maybe I should start logging for my own knowledge

[pallid quiver]

You can use both if you feel so inclined, but you'd be fine with just Spell Block

You can SR the webs that come out that need to be AOE'd, though, as a heads up

It'll still drop the web at your feet,

But it means the group doesn't have to break your root

you can also clear with avatar if it happens to come off CD at the right time, which helps for the back to back roots near the end of P1

[granite briar]

ok gotcha. That is all really great advice. How much mitigation does the spell block do to liquify? Would I be able to take the big damage that the other taunter usually takes? or no?

My DH tank is having a difficult time surviving even with their mitigation so I'm trying to ease his load if possible

[pallid quiver]

Spell Block just lets you block magic, not just physical, so you can get a rough idea by going into a mythic dungeon

and seeing how hard a mob hits you without shield block as compared to shield block

There's also the funny feature where spell blocked damage, if it crit blocks, can ignore the usual cap and literally negate all damage coming from the ability.

If you crit block'd and got lucky, you could literally live Odyn's "get the fuck out or die" mega telegraph move in halls of valor

so you take actually trivial amounts of damage from liquify

And you'll use Shield Wall on the 1 Feast you'd take during P1

Since Feast is 100% physical

[granite briar]

yeah gotcha

[pallid quiver]

It also looks like you keep losing people to the acid drops that come out after the liquify, specifically the one that comes from the 2nd liquify of the fight

Since I've seen that specific 1:40 timeframe kill multiple people in multiple logs

So it can help to move the boss faster during the taunt swap so people don't lollygag about when the acid is dropping

I'd have to see how your group is actually handling the mechanics around there to see what's going on, though

[granite briar]

Gotcha. what are your thoughts on the heals?

[pallid quiver]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no thoughts hadn't looked at that yet

[granite briar]

and I think we were having trouble trying to find out how far to pull the boss after each mechanic

[pallid quiver]

People were dying in 0.8s, so I wasn't concerned about healing

[granite briar]

lol oh i guess that makes sense

[pallid quiver]

For moving Ansurek, you generally want to move her a decent amount after liquifies, and not too majorly far after web drops. You've got a decent amount of space to work with, so moving is mostly a case of trying to make sure uptime is kept

[soft aspen]

and once you don’t have spell block up in m+ it’s over in a high key

the weakness of prot warrior

[granite briar]

sad

😦

[pallid quiver]

what the fuck are you talking about; this is a raid conversation, sir

[merry trout]

got it, ty!!

[granite briar]

would you mind linking me to the logs you're looking at? I can't find them to save my life..

[soft aspen]

raiding in 2024

[pallid quiver]

So one of the P1 ones should be here:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KWx3vkCJt2cgX7am#fight=39&type=damage-taken

And an Intermission one I found should be here:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KWx3vkCJt2cgX7am#fight=30&type=damage-taken

There's another Intermission one here, as well:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KWx3vkCJt2cgX7am#fight=44&type=damage-taken

In that last one, it looks like the 1:40 acid didn't kill nearly as many people, but there was a missed pop on the last froth, so instant wipe

[granite briar]

yeah I remember that.. that was rough

[pallid quiver]

Overall, for raid-wide things, loosely it can be sorted down to handling those later mechs a bit better; P1's definitely the hardest part of the fight on Heroic imo, since it has the strictest mechanics handling, so if you can get past that consistently, P3 shouldn't take too long

Don't be afraid to take up a bit more space if you need to, especially around the second liquify or so. Changing the order you guys are taking those busters in might help with that, too, so see how that works out

[granite briar]

awesome, sounds good thank you so much for the input!! I really appreciate it. So, basically I need to 1. spell block the liquify 2. pull the boss further and quicker after the tank buster and 3. just get mechanics down

and spell reflect the web snare

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of what it looks like will be waiting for your DPS to get more consistent at mechanics, it looks like at a glance, but all those will help your raid group focus on themselves a bit more, yeah

[granite briar]

Cool I'll tighten those things up a bit more. Do you think I could tank it as Colossus or should I stick with Mountain Thane?

[pallid quiver]

You can definitely do either in raid,

Just know that if you play Colossus, you'll generally need to know the damage points of the fight more so you can handle them better

those damage points being the tank busters in this fight, so

[granite briar]

Nothing too extreme

Alright. I have some people in my guild who are set on me being MT because it's meta but I'll see what I can do. Thanks a ton for the help and advice I really appreciate it!

[vapid slate]

Was wondering what my BiS trinkets are. I know Ara kara Trinket is one of them but how good is swarmlords? Im seeing a lot of people running it. Is it just the second best option until ansurak or is it just better than ansurak trinket?

[sharp gale]

One is def, the other is dmg, can’t really compare them

Talking about swarmlord / mandate

[lilac bloom]

i've been doing heroic queen and everytime a tank would take the melee or feast hit after the liquify and i'm doing the feast.. they thinking i'm the one causing hte threat issue.. is there anything i can do ?

[wicked pollen]

tell your cotank to not fall asleep and play the game

[lilac bloom]

its not that.. he gets threat and end up dying

so they end up blamming me.. i dont know how it happens is it like if i move the boss and he doesn't go with me he end up getting meleed??

[sharp gale]

It’s the other way this time gio

[wicked pollen]

then you do more damage

hit the dummy and beat your sim dps

[fluid widget]

Any logs?

[wicked pollen]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/66eb9089e01921e27b35b5ff/4x.gif

[lilac bloom]

damn sux to try to do big damage as a prot waririor tank

[sharp gale]

Logs will help yes

[fluid widget]

Or are you vastly undergeared in comparison

[lilac bloom]

i can never outdamage any tanks

[wicked pollen]

idk how that is possible

[fluid widget]

^

[sharp gale]

Something you are doing is wrong then

If you have any logs

[lilac bloom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gFxzMZ8RVDqHPL3J

there's my report on the fight

[wicked pollen]

can someone check dps of him vs other tank on compare

[fluid widget]

Your talents are wonky

[wicked pollen]

throughout the fight

im on phone rn

[sharp gale]

Just watching the casts timeline

You took 4 seconds for your first spell

You didn’t press any cd during the whole pull

[fluid widget]

You aren’t using CDs on pull

[sharp gale]

Even avatar

[lilac bloom]

i was saving hte avatar for the web

but didn't think i need it

[zealous goblet]

this isn't helpful for conversation but i need to say i think your entire raid group needs coaching

[fluid widget]

Not even a single cd

You can spell reflect the web

[wicked pollen]

im going to leg you guys help him

🙂

[fluid widget]

But yeah go go wowhead, copy the talent build there, and then go go rotation and learn and understand it

[lilac bloom]

yah i've been doin ghtat with the web

[fluid widget]

Cause right now you aren’t using any CDs

And your talent build is incorrect

[sharp gale]

The web is 1 min 30 I think and you will not really help, the two paladins in your raid will do the job

[lilac bloom]

i've been told a while back before in here that the prot warrior talents should be with what i'm using

[fluid widget]

Who said that

Why would you not take champion’s bulwark?

[zealous goblet]

looking this over, assuming you don't press your buttons more often (no flame, some people have different reasons) another clear issue i see here is your rotation is a little wack. remember:
shield slam > thunder clap > revenge to fish for shield slam resets
your revenge is x2 the casts of your tclap im seeing

thunder clap applies rend, so it's considerably more damage over a revenge

[fluid widget]

Or thunderous roar over spear?

[sharp gale]

It’s not really the talents that are the issue here

[silent cedar]

Saving avatar for web? If you mash enough buttons from the get-go it’ll be reset and ready for webs

[lilac bloom]

yah wasn't playing enough like that cos saving rage

[fluid widget]

Yeah true

[zealous goblet]

start simple, teach him the fundementals then worry about minmaxing

[sharp gale]

The biggest*

[fluid widget]

It’s buttons

Shield block uptime is 59% as well

[sharp gale]

Just don’t take Into the Fray and just press what you have every time they are up

[pallid quiver]

You should also revisit the Wowhead guide for talents

You don't have enough SB uptime talents to keep it up as a start

[fluid widget]

And ignore pain is 29%

[zealous goblet]

raid recommends itf last i checked

[fluid widget]

I know uptime for ignore pain isn’t the best metric but

[pallid quiver]

You also just flat out need to press more buttons

[fluid widget]

Raid you can ITF because you don’t instantly die if it falls off

[pallid quiver]

He doesn't have the SC capstone

[zealous goblet]

oh fuck on god?

[pallid quiver]

which is like the main reason to have SC

[fluid widget]

But also that

But really it’s cd usage and rotation

[pallid quiver]

The talent was instead spent on Thunderlord, it seems, and Imp Wall was swapped out for Defender's Aegis

on a fight where tank damage is extremely staggered

Also, hero tree has no Thorim's Might

[fluid widget]

Also lack of low cd defensives like imprnding/spell reflect

[lilac bloom]

so i should go and change my talent like wowhead?

[fluid widget]

5 cast of ignore pain in 2.25m is insane though

[pallid quiver]

You should also revisit the rotation page while you're there

Since you need to learn your rotation better; you're pressing like 25 less buttons per minute than you should

You should be able to easily clear over 70 CPM

and you're not even pressing a button per second

[zealous goblet]

anyways, practice a good rotation, even if we assume you play at 50 cpm (it should be 65-75 from what i've seen) you'll instantly notice more rage to spend.
remember this isn't classic, rage spending is a luxury not a problem.
spend rage at 60-80 rage on ignore pain once.
shield block stacks, just make sure both charges are constantly on cooldown. you don't need to track an 8 sec buff.
the reason you don't overspend at 60-80 rage is to leave you enough rage to fish for shield slam resets with revenge or to shield block

[sharp gale]

Like wowhead but don’t take into the fray yet, you visite wowhead rotation, once rotation is fixed you can choose to take into the fray

[zealous goblet]

ignore pain is a rage dump, don't stress over tracking it. even if you're full ignore pain stacks, it renews the duration, it heals you, and reduces cd on shield wall and avatar. its off gcd. these are why we spend rage on it

[lilac bloom]

i see

ill have to use my rotation better then

but witt hthe talenets i hsould get rid of it and copy wowhead?

[fluid widget]

Just copy wowhead and then sit in front of a tank dummy and practice rotation

[zealous goblet]

yep! don't stress it too much. i made fun of the raid dps, yes, but the good news is there's easy adjustments you can do to see tremendous improvement! whereas people who 90 parse have to read logs like little gremlins and sweat bullets

[sharp gale]

Yes it’s more a rotation thing, even with these talents you could do ansurek

But they are not good anyway

[zealous goblet]

are these ur friends btw or just random people on the log

[sharp gale]

Be polite with his friends lel

[zealous goblet]

regarding the threat remarks earlier, the simple answer is they should just take their hands off the keyboard. them pulling threat and dying when they know its an issue is a them problem at that point

and that goes for you too

if you see you're suddenly getting a lot better than the other tank, yes they should play better, but don't grief and pull threat if you see you're sneaking up on them

[sharp gale]

I can show you if you have time

[lilac bloom]

i just random

its a pug

which talents should go for mountain or colosal

[zealous goblet]

mountain for sure

[sharp gale]

Mountain

[zealous goblet]

they randomly buffed it, so it's just straight up better even for content where colossus should be better

[sharp gale]

Not ready to drop every def talents to do dmg

[fluid widget]

Wowhead’s raid talent build will serve you well for most situations

Specifically the punish build

[lilac bloom]

k done.

i see how that go

[sharp gale]

And also there is kinda a « rage starve » issue that can appear so maybe later colossus

But for now focus mountain thane

[fluid widget]

Find a target dummy next!

[lilac bloom]

ok.. i will do that thanks

still doing hte queen raid

at the moment.. i feel my hp is dropping

[sharp gale]

If you still have threat issue, and you have a friendly pug group, ask to bop the other tank on pull, and you taunt before every liquefy

The other tank needs to have a cancelaura macro

But that’s some shenanigans that you would not need to do in the first place

[lilac bloom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HNApTJcRCDLnkhb3

another pull

this time i try to keep tc more

[golden sedge]

anyone know what armor % is in bis gear?

[lilac bloom]

and sli think i'm just looking too much of my cast button it just gets outo f sync

this is how i see things on my display

[zealous goblet]

good, good! improvement

[sharp gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HNApTJcRCDLnkhb3#fight=6&source=3&start=2371681&end=2472845&type=casts&view=timeline

You really need to press your buttons you talented

[lilac bloom]

myh fingers not fast enough

[sharp gale]

Change your keybinds if you can’t press or mouse click

[lilac bloom]

i use numeric keys bind to my spells like 1 shiled bash 2 tc 3 block 4 revenge

others are like alt and control or tabs

[smoky anvil]

There's enough keys for those buttons

[lilac bloom]

my f1 keys are like for trinks and specials survive mode

[smoky anvil]

You need practice. My spear is on Q, my Ravager is on Scroll forward, Shield Charge is Shift-C.

Go sit on a dummy after adjusting some binds, you'll get it.

[sharp gale]

Go to Option-> Combat -> Personal Ressource Display, I think it will be too much to talk about weakauras

[sick current]

woot

is there a spell reflect essentials tww version wa?

[sharp gale]

Yes

[sick current]

i see people talking about it

oh i found it

wtfreak when i clicked this earlier it loaded the DF one, sorry it works now

[lilac bloom]

so .. how just check the rsource ontop of the buff ?

[sharp gale]

What

[lilac bloom]

the personal resource display

[sharp gale]

Yes enable it so you can see your rage and health on your screen

[lilac bloom]

ohok

i think i do check that often

[sharp gale]

I think it shows when you have shield block and ignore pain

[lilac bloom]

well i see it on top right corner of my screen or my weaura pretty hard to track

[sharp gale]

So now you can know when you have these things just by looking at the middle of your screen

[lilac bloom]

yah i'm thinking i got too manythings to look at

i get confused and overwelmed

[sharp gale]

You need to have the most important things in the middle / around where you look when you play

[lilac bloom]

yah the middle i keep clear off.. its the bottom bars i have some are too small to look at

[sharp gale]

Most important things are : your health, your rage, Shield block duration, Ignore pain amount, the cd of shield slam, shield block and thunderclap, the rest you can look down if you want

[lilac bloom]

ya mostly i look at those that u mention

[sharp gale]

Yes but all these are all the way on the bottom, you don’t look at what is happening to your character every 2 seconds since all I mention have few seconds of cd/ sometime proc

You could just move it up to your fourth row you added

For finger efficiency, you need to put what you use the most on « easy » keybinds (everything around WASD)

[lilac bloom]

ok ill move the row up

[sharp gale]

Or mouse buttons

[lilac bloom]

i only use mouse buttons scrolls for zooming never tried linking it with a move

[sharp gale]

Basically easy keybinds : Q E R F Z X C 1 2 3 4

[lilac bloom]

ya those i use

[sharp gale]

I don’t see Q E and Shift 1 2 3 4

[lilac bloom]

oh i use those for movement to corner up left and right

true i used that

[sharp gale]

You don’t move with a and d ?

You can use a and d then

[lilac bloom]

i do but i thought i could use q and e 22

like straffing

[sharp gale]

Im French I don’t know what straffing means, basically you right click and use q and e ?

[lilac bloom]

as in moving your character left and right

my a and d is for my camaera movements

a move camera left and d camera right

[sharp gale]

Oh okok for me i move left and right with a and d and I removed camera movement since you can right click

[lilac bloom]

its weird i can give it a go

[sharp gale]

Do as you like I just tell you what I do maybe others don’t do that

[lilac bloom]

ive been using that movement for a long time

no no

it helps

cos it free up my key bind to something else

i actualy never thaought of that

[sharp gale]

Yea don’t if it disturbs you, but it free 2 keybinds very close to your fingers

[lilac bloom]

true true tx for the tip though it helps

[sharp gale]

You add these keybinds with shift (easy shift keybinds are we okay?)

[sharp gale]

You can remove that spell

And you have 2 times mass taunt

[lilac bloom]

yah true thx

i try to use a and d for strafe instead and try to use others for keybind

[sharp gale]

It will not fix your rotation, but at least you will not be able to say it’s because you can’t press

[lofty veldt]

hi friendly friends do you use a macro to tell party when you're using spell reflect?

[maiden timber]

Hey guys.
I spent my Runed Crest from the Ansurek Quest on a shield, but now managed to go directly to spamming 8s while still at 600 ilvl..
So I now have the option of making a gilded crest for crafting..

Is it better to upgrade the Shield from 619 to gilded crest level, or am I better off creafting weapon first? (8/8 Veteran weap, ilvl 606)

[mental scarab]

Shield is always prio

[late bramble]

Does Spell Block work on stuff like Soul Split and Anima Slash?

[novel temple]

Do dungeons feel like a slog for you?

Cause I just did a 6 grim and it felt like it was taking forever

[gloomy aspen]

Spell reflect spreadsheet is pinned to channel

[late bramble]

thanks

[blazing condor]

clean yo god damn quest log

[crimson bolt]

needing a bit of help here...I'm rage starving like crazy these days

feel like I need to pull out loads of dps to mantain threat (damn those retri pallies), and even when I have the aggro and just focus on building up the IP, I'm always rage starving

[blazing condor]

hard to tell what you can do without log

[crimson bolt]

hmmm

dont have logs to provide atm

[sweet summit]

you're probably pressing ip too much but that's just a guess

[crimson bolt]

what are your stats looking rn?

[sweet summit]

don't really matter

[crimson bolt]

well, dont I have to, if I am to survive?

[sweet summit]

nah not really

[crimson bolt]

or maybe my IP are just too small, hence why I keep running out of IP

[blazing condor]

our main mitigation is shield block anyway

[sweet summit]

shield block is your main mitigation

ignore pain is used to avoid overcapping rage

ip is not something you strive to maintain

[crimson bolt]

hmm..I always try to have it at least with a 2M shield

[sweet summit]

that's not a priority

get used to playing "properly", then you can start minmaxing ip if you're doing content that warrants that

but you're 98% of the way there by using it as just a rage dump

[crimson bolt]

well, I just feel like that, even with SB up, if I dont have IP to cover as well, I go down too fast

[sweet summit]

and this is where i want logs

[crimson bolt]

sorry XD

[sweet summit]

you know how to set it up and shit?

[crimson bolt]

what you mean?

logs?

[sweet summit]

to start logging

[crimson bolt]

yea

[sweet summit]

sick

[crimson bolt]

just havent been logging lately

[potent canopy]

Erga on the road to yellow name agian perhaps

[hoary pivot]

You don‘t want to overcap, but you also don’t want to spend rage on IP IF you are not in danger of ocercappkng, so that you always have rage available for Shield Block / Revenge / Execute

[sweet summit]

piss or poop pick your poison

[potent canopy]

I guess yeah

[hoary pivot]

Sounds like you do not press defensives enough

[crimson bolt]

also, bfore I forget, do you guys have any tips for 1st boss in Dawnbreaker? I feel like it's either she completely recks me, or almost doesnt do anything at all. (When beam comes)

[sweet summit]

yeah general rule of thumb is press it at or above 70 rage

[crimson bolt]

and no, I'm not standing in the beam

[sweet summit]

use defensive on beam

[crimson bolt]

well, I wont have Shield Wall for all of them

[sweet summit]

wall spell block etc

but like there's also 0 dmg after that so as long as you (or your group) don't die you're never really in danger

i'm home in a bit so i can check how i do my cds there

[hoary pivot]

Rotate defensives on each beam cast, as it is a tankbuster. Shield Wall, Spell Block, Last Stand, Demo Shout, IV…

[crimson bolt]

IV?

[blazing condor]

impending victory

[serene gulch]

https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Fastquetoken ama 1% m+

[sweet summit]

spell block - > shield wall -> external -> spell block -> shield wall -> external -> shield wall
you could also play double wall and that might cover the gap instead of external but i haven't tried yet so i'm not sure

[serene gulch]

You left out demo shout.

[crimson bolt]

haven't been been with Spell block lately tbh. But have been running double SW

I'll try that out

[sweet summit]

yeah i just send demo on cd for damage

[serene gulch]

Save it for the beams lmao

[sweet summit]

don't wanna

[serene gulch]

Removes the need for external

No one is going to bby sit u in a pug m8

[crimson bolt]

how much haste and versa you guys running atm?

just to have an idea

[serene gulch]

You want % or the actual number?

[sweet summit]

i have 22k haste and vers don't matter
just use your highest ilvl gear and prio haste if equal ilvl

[hoary pivot]

Demo / Last Stand can cover as well

[serene gulch]

You only need 1 at a time.

[hoary pivot]

IV right after to give the healer some air

[serene gulch]

Assuming that is what u meant.

[hoary pivot]

Thats why I wrote / instead of & ^^

[serene gulch]

Idk about this one.

[sweet summit]

what do you not know

[serene gulch]

Youll quickly reach hero track everything. Defs dont want fat chunks of mastery sitting in my stat block.

[sweet summit]

yeah you want some of all stats, they're all good

i never said don't have x or y stat

[crimson bolt]

damn..I'm running 13k haste... -_-

[blazing condor]

haste helps the most

but secondaries are not important if u wanna live and play well

[serene gulch]

Haste is great. Your going to push keys you want verse with it.

[sweet summit]

sure, but not at the detriment of haste of ilvl

[serene gulch]

What yoy want a higher block % with mastery? We get 100% block with a most used ability.

[blazing condor]

mastery gives crit block

not block

[sweet summit]

that's not how our mastery works

but okay

xd

[serene gulch]

It gives both

[blazing condor]

yeah but as you say

why care about block

if you got it 100%

youre saying it like mastery does nothing

[rotund moon]

what should i craft first this is an alt. shiled or wep?

[sweet summit]

mastery also gives tanks attack power which means more damage

[serene gulch]

Its value isnextremely discounted by the fact our toolkit litterally gives us a guarantee to block.

[sweet summit]

erm

[serene gulch]

So youd rather take str8 damage reduction (verse) or better cds (haste)

[sweet summit]

what the sigma

[blazing condor]

you know crit block is more damage reduction right

[serene gulch]

This is wrong cause if i gave you the choice between two nek pieces. One beong haste verse and other crit mastery and they 10ilvs apart. You would always pick the verse haste nek.

[sweet summit]

those are great crafts

[sweet summit]

yeah jewelry (and trinkets are special cases) you can drop ilvl on because they don't have mainstat and armor, that's true

[broken beacon]

hello. is double use trinket ok for prot warr or i should avoid?

[blazing condor]

depends on the ilvl you drop tho

sometimes more stat > "right" stat

[sweet summit]

it's okay. some dislike playing with it but there's nothing wrong with it

[serene gulch]

I did also state before i mentioned anything. You will get hero track across all quixk. So my pov is from all ilv being =

[serene gulch]

Nothing wrong with it. What trinket on use do u have.

Theres probs some really underated trinkets on use. Atleast 1 i can think of.

[broken beacon]

i have swarmlord authority, meathook and foul behemoth

[serene gulch]

Swarms is fkn great. Its the proactive version of ceasless swarmgland

[broken beacon]

yeah its a game changer so which one you recomend to pair with swarm?

[sweet summit]

sackbrood great

[broken beacon]

and also i have no idea abut optimal usage of thesee trinkets

[broken beacon]

i agree im trying to get it on hero

[serene gulch]

Ceasless is essentially your defensive trink. Your 2nd slot can be offensive. You have a couple realistic options.

Sacbrood, waning candle or even mad queens mandate (bit of a meme but pumps for lower content)

[broken beacon]

nice ty gotta grind for some trinkets today then i was lucky with swarm i got it with avoidance on vault

[serene gulch]

Sacbrood is the best in general. Candle is the sweat route if you want to setup a weak aura and you push with melee dps. The queens mandate will nail you 100% parses on logsnfor heroic bosses lmao.

[shell fox]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-thinking-about-you-think-thinking-of-you-gif-20503421

[sweet summit]

🎦

[shell fox]

im so happy because im getting better

[rich vigil]

hey guys quick question how do you guys sim prot for m+? what settings should i use on raidbots 😄

[molten gorge]

Think I saw the consensus being 5 target 1m30

[rich vigil]

alright thanks

[molten gorge]

Lust off too I suppose is smart

[rich vigil]

do we use dungeons slice?

[jagged pier]

Apl doesnt work with dungeon slice

[jagged pier]

Bracers, then boots or back

Boots and belts are the same stat wise i believe so it dont matter

But firdt 2 bosses both drop belt and boots from mythic

So

Should only really craft your emblishments and stop crafting after that

If you get easy access to myth pieces which it seems like u might

I went bracers and back because fuck competing for the rare back

Cba

[molten gorge]

Ring the most worth immediately imo just cause of the recraft tech, save some crests

If not shield/wep