protection

[round cliff]

like if i have to keep track of dots on multiple targets i think i'd oom mentally

oom (out of mental)

[pallid quiver]

That also means sometimes you might literally press zero buttons

[round cliff]

thats all energy classes innit

[pallid quiver]

Since you don't want to strip your snapshotted dot

[round cliff]

ohhh i c

[pallid quiver]

All energy that pool energy, at least

Due to either energy mechs, snapshots, or other things

Like Brew and WW iirc don't ever have to pool energy, even though they're technically energy

[tulip remnant]

Feral is only fun with 2 targets

[round cliff]

ww def has periods where it'll not press something for a second or two

brew doesnt

[pallid quiver]

Brew 100% doesn't

[tulip remnant]

Brew also has negative haste

[pallid quiver]

I don't fully understand how WW works, other than that it doesn't like actively pool, so that's why I added iirc

[round cliff]

i can do a competent ww rotation

its fun

[pallid quiver]

It's not like Sub Rogue where you want to literally casually farm energy before CD windows to blast

[round cliff]

honestly i think all 3 monk specs are fun, i dont play monk because its sound design is nonexistant

[pallid quiver]

I don't like raid healing as Mistweaver

it feels jank

[tulip remnant]

WW at a base level is don’t hit the same button twice, cycle RSK into FoF. With a lot of minor change in between. There’s times you won’t BOK until after RSK

[pallid quiver]

It may have changed with this xpac

[tulip remnant]

I can’t fist weave, but raid healing is fun for me.

[round cliff]

i love fistweaving

[tulip remnant]

bring back essence font

[tulip remnant]

I’m just bad at it

I also don’t trust the heals enough, and have people get spiked too fast

[round cliff]

thats why u have vivify insta casts as an oh shit button

[tulip remnant]

Yeah, doesn’t help a whole lot when 3 people get whacked by one mechanic

[round cliff]

thats when U press

sheilun's gift

[golden sedge]

Is there certain breakpoints I should be looking for?

[tulip remnant]

Idk, only pugged super Low keys and it’s been rough.

[golden sedge]

for stats or just haste > crit/vers

[round cliff]

ur breakpoint is 619 ilvl

once u have that U can worry abt stats

[tulip remnant]

Damn. 617. I’m bad

[golden sedge]

and?

[round cliff]

no and

str is ur best stat

[tulip remnant]

Str and Stam go crazy

[golden sedge]

so I'm still worying about stats

??

[tulip remnant]

And wars are naturally stat hoes

[golden sedge]

u gonna say something useful?

[round cliff]

whats ur ilvl

?

[golden sedge]

623

[round cliff]

waow...

[golden sedge]

no 4th omen

[tulip remnant]

How you 623 and don’t know this

[golden sedge]

changing spce

[round cliff]

no breakpoints get crit n haste

[pallid quiver]

There's no meaningful stat breakpoints; there's no diminishing returns you hit that influence gearing decisions

[golden sedge]

not even some vers? ;d

[round cliff]

vers is YUCKY

[tulip remnant]

Vers a meme

[round cliff]

prot takes no dmg so u need 0 vers

[tulip remnant]

Mastery tho….

[golden sedge]

seems odd but the crit/haste is what I've been doing

[pallid quiver]

iirc, max bis has like, 1000 vers from one piece

[round cliff]

vers is for taking less dmg

if u take 0 dmg anyways ..

no vers

[pallid quiver]

And almost everything else is Haste/Crit

[golden sedge]

ok sounds good

ty

[pallid quiver]

All the stats are close enough defensively, as a heads up for the future,

[tulip remnant]

Bc doing 800k DPS slaps

[pallid quiver]

So it's best to just sim for damage for min-maxing stats

[tulip remnant]

Does blood even care about vers?

[round cliff]

every class i wanna play has like a dealbreaking problem for me

am i just cooked do i need to play ffxiv

[tulip remnant]

My issue is I chose Fury

[pallid quiver]

I thiiiiink BDK is in a close boat to Prot War that everything is close enough that you just sim for damage, but don't hold me to it

[tulip remnant]

Most tanks are just stat greedy at this point

[round cliff]

i been a fury onetrick since legion

i wanna branch out but everything has PROBLEMS

[tulip remnant]

I wanted something simple, now I get borderline condescendingly told “You just need to get better at your rotation, you’ll get better.” When I complain about being a glorified Bladestorm bot.

[round cliff]

warrior: brown class bad
paladin: tempting???
hunter: dps only
rogue: dps only
priest: wizard
mage: wizard
warlock: wizard
evoker: wizard
druid: wizard-ish
dh: dont like veng
dk: dont like blood
monk: negative sound design
shaman: tempting but id have to learn ranged

[pallid quiver]

just play enha shaman

[round cliff]

well if enh is assbad like it is sometimes then id have to play ele

[inner wren]

if you like doin deeps then pally is giga

for prot anyway

[tulip remnant]

If you want an actual rotation, do DK. If you want to hit “2” 14 times, play ret

[round cliff]

if i dont like blood then dk is dps only and i dont like dps only classes

i want to be Desirable

[tulip remnant]

Then you have Shaman and Druid that isn’t Warrior

[inner wren]

roll a hunter be reverse desireable and then quit the game

[round cliff]

always a good option

[round cliff]

ill powerlevel timewalking as resto and see whats up i suppose

or maybe i wait til anniversary cuz that'll be timewalking and +20% exp

🤔

[inner wren]

depends if u wanna try to get vault shenanigans in

[round cliff]

what kinda shenanigans

[tulip remnant]

If you want to play M+ and aren’t a Prot War, Bear, Rsham, Dk DPS, Ret, Ass Rogue, Mage, or Aug? Good Luck

[round cliff]

meta is temporary

not playing a wizard is forever

[tulip remnant]

But Lizard Wizard

[round cliff]

im a bit of a transmog enjoyer

thats half the reason im not playing druid even tho dinosaurs are cool

if blizz let me get the mage tower bear forms then id play druid

[tulip remnant]

I enjoy doing 600k DPS in world greens on Dev Evoker lmao

[tulip remnant]

Yeahhh….I have all 4 mage tower skins, and recolors

[round cliff]

WELL ARENT YOU COOL

[lusty grotto]

so do i

[round cliff]

i only have the fury warr appearance

[inner wren]

if youre pure pugging and want to play the game just play tank

else you get to play queue simulator

[round cliff]

i have not pugged a single key this expac

[tulip remnant]

Rsham also gets invites

[round cliff]

i play w/ guildies exclusively

[lusty grotto]

i have all warrior appearances, all pally appearances, all druid appearances, all monk appearances, all dk appearances

all DH appearances

🙂

[round cliff]

as an extremely achieved fomo player how much would u care on a scale of 1-10 if blizz brought these back

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt care

its kind of weird to gate keep it

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto ily

[tulip remnant]

I have DK, War, DH, Druid, Lock, Shaman, Monk, 2 Hunt, Rogue….

[lusty grotto]

as long as i keep the achievement or something

[tulip remnant]

Probs some more

[lusty grotto]

no you

[warm plinth]

D:

[round cliff]

i can get the fel werebear form but its not the same...

[tulip remnant]

I want the mage tower skins to come back. I have beef with the prot Pali one

I want to get them all

[warm plinth]

A lot of people care for some reason but 🤷

[tulip remnant]

Skunk Bear is supreme

[round cliff]

skunk bear.,.

[tulip remnant]

I spent so many hours doing RBGs as Resto for that thing

Glitter kitty one my favorites tho

[round cliff]

i think sham is my only other option

if i dont vibe with resto and enh then im just a sad warrior main

forever

[tulip remnant]

Or be edgy

Edgy works

If Brew wasn’t the most stressful spec in the game rn, would be fine

[high wyvern]

Blood DK ?

[tulip remnant]

Brewmaster

Exact quote from my guildie an hour ago “I don’t want to hear a damn thing from you. You play prot war. I have to do calculus to not die to my own my specs design.”

[high wyvern]

Meanwhile we put up shied block and ignore pain then just spam shield slam / thunderblast

[tulip remnant]

Thats why I can’t say what he said to me

[high wyvern]

To be fair, Brew is pretty good in raid

[tulip remnant]

True

But white hits????

Nah

[round cliff]

wth are white hits

[tulip remnant]

Serious or nah?

[round cliff]

ya

[tulip remnant]

All the add damage that their basic melee abilities do that aren’t crits or anything

The things prot wars do not realize exist

[round cliff]

dam i only rly ever tanked as prot

privileged

[tulip remnant]

Other Specs have to use proper mitigation for swarm melee attacks

[round cliff]

u know that explains why my hp randomly explodes as i was leveling blood dk

[tulip remnant]

Brewmaster has hot nothing for it and they get pieced up

[round cliff]

🤔

[tulip remnant]

Blood is very weak for 2 seconds on pull then becomes immortal

[round cliff]

ok ima level this resto shaman

shammy is lvl 57 so i should just have to press riptide and chain heal and gg

[queen hemlock]

Hey em
I can quite easily ++ or + a 9 but the moment i try 10 i fucking fold like paper to any and all packs,
Grim's overseer's rive,mist's non reflected anima slash and soul cleave
Am i doing something wrong or

Or the scaling from 9-10 that ridiculous

[nocturne spindle]

Uhhh

This week is fortified

It's literally only the 10% or whatever scaling for mob packs

It's all in your head and your panicking

[queen hemlock]

Truly?
Idk i can do triple pull grim first pack but
The moment i go into a 10
Ate a rive brutal strike i fall over

+2 brutal strike*

[tulip remnant]

Might have to use defensives more, idk

Without logs kinda just guess work

[queen hemlock]

Eh let mec check

[lyric pebble]

I went into a NW, charged the first pack and almost died

Well, it was pretty much like that for the entire dungeon

[queen hemlock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DFJCjX4rvMwbpWVY#fight=last&type=summary&source=5

same one NW

holy fuck do i not know whats happening

[nocturne spindle]

Yea I mean it goes from 114% to 136%

[merry trout]

hey guys, yday someone mentioned a shield reflect wa?? anyone got link?

[lyric pebble]

If you type that on wago I think it is the first one

[merry trout]

oh right, duh, ty

[high wyvern]

does higher ilvl with vers master still better than lower ilvl with crit haste?

[violet ginkgo]

yes

which is why people recommend you, if possible then try to farm the shield from myth first boss even if the shield got vers/mastery.

[burnt torrent]

Do you need shield charge capstone and heavy repercussions or just heavy repercussions to maintain 100% shield block uptime?

[inland raft]

3 of the 4 talents. ED, HR, SC, Bolster

[burnt torrent]

Is there value in running shield charge if you're not running the capstone for it?

I know it's a decently long stun but with how much the mobs get stunned you hardly ever get full value

[queen hemlock]

arakara first boss, anyone has an idea on how to properly fight it?
i assume i have to actually try to kite the mobs back instead of jumping to narnia
so give the eggs and the boss a decent berth and kite it as nessecary?

[lyric pebble]

I move the boss to the opposite side of the "arena", you can save spear to snare them if u are using it and they are getting close

If all fails start kiting

[queen hemlock]

i mean i tried that on 10s and we didnt have damage to kill it, im not sure if im doing it right

[burnt torrent]

You just opposite side from the adds and your group needs to cc/kill the adds

[agile elbow]

You should just be dealing with the boss and keeping it away from the adds.

It's an entire different problem if your group can't kill them fast enough.

[burnt torrent]

Your role is to keep the boss away as if the boss eats 1 add its probably just gg

[simple drum]

Are there any rotation helper addons that aren’t Heliki that you guys find work well with Prot Warr?

[queen hemlock]

as in we had 3 sets of glossamer threads drop and the arena was kinda fucked, the boss was about 30-40%? it seemed impossible

im wondering if what i should do is pull the boss into charge distance, let melee and range kill the add/cleave the boss and ill move the boss when needed
if this isnt nessecary then i guess it really is the boss

[dawn geode]

it shouldnt be necessary

[queen hemlock]

ok then, might be a dps dogwater thing but im not sure
will attempt again

[agile elbow]

People just have to be cognizant of where they are when the webs drop to not fill the entire arena and kill the adds quickly.

[bleak skiff]

Guys does anyone has the same issue as me ? When I use thunderclap I got significant drop fps for like 1s but only when I use charged thunderclap. My PC specs are good and I never had this problem before. Only since they changed talent trees in WW

For example If I play Fury warrior I do not have that issue there but only on tank

[round cliff]

thats very weird

since they're the same spell

[round cliff]

turn off all addons and see if it still happens

[stiff wyvern]

Will Dwarf still be best for prot warrior when you can be a dracthyr in a few weeks? Looking at race changing soon and was wanting feedback.

[round cliff]

they fill entirely different niches

[somber warren]

Hey guys. I have problems with the 1st boss of Dawnbreaker, I can't handle the damage coming with the beams, I can deal with 3-4, but if the boss is not deal, i'll probably die. I need some advices how to use mi cds in that fight. Thanks <3

[round cliff]

not comparable in the slightest, completely depends on what u want

do u want the cleanse? u play dwarf
u want the mobility? u play dracthyr

i can say that warrior hardly needs more mobility

u can already negate knockbacks and fall damage with leap and charge on a short enough cooldown for it to not matter w/ some planning

[bleak skiff]

Okay I will try it. Thanks !

[bronze wraith]

How important is dps for tanks? I find myself just taking everything defensively and it has worked well so far. I am doing 8-10s and do 650k dps roughly. Is that an ok amount?

[round cliff]

you dont need defensive talents if u dont die

try taking more dps, if u still dont die then ur not losing anything

[mighty valley]

Yeah like. All damage is useful damage

[round cliff]

u shouldnt be dying w/ the normal recommended loadout

if u are then its either skill issue or ur playing with misshapen homunculi

[mighty valley]

idk some of the best players in the world are misshapen homunculi

[round cliff]

ur allowed to be stupid if ur a dps

[mighty valley]

what damage talents are you dropping?

[lyric pebble]

What is the "recc" ilvl for 7s on a Fort week?

[round cliff]

im sure some real cracked gamers can do it at like 590

[lyric pebble]

I did a NW7 (606ilvl) and I was feeling like a DK on the first pull of a dungeon.
Charged in and my HP went to 30%~. Whole dungeon was a struggle

[silent cedar]

Depending on key level, rotate cds (roar, wall, last stand) - reflect also gives you 20% magic dr

Did an 11+2, never dropped below 60% hp on first boss

[robust jackal]

Hey guys not protection warr question but tanking in general question - how do you feel about tanking m+ in this season? I just returned to the game and tanked some keys +2-5 yesterday on my BM monk (ilvl 592), and I had this feeling that I just have to pull so much smaller than in dragonflight S1 and that I have to pop a big cd right as I was pulling some mobs in order not to get oneshot, also when I checked healing done I was like 50/50 on healing with healer (I mean healing me not others) - is it just a skill issue on my part or is this what it feels like to tank these days after the tank nerfs?

[hazy copper]

The pre-pull opening path is very important

[zealous goblet]

help my friend is trying to gaslight me into thinking the grim batol mastery trinket isn't good

[brittle owl]

tell your friend his nails are smelly

[zealous goblet]

how do i explain crit blocking and 8k mastery is a metric fuckload

and that functionally, skam shard, a tank trinket, is functionally the same as gb mastery trinket, but slightly worse

i have cancer

double functionally

;-;

[graceful kite]

Pulls are smaller in general now yes, brewmaater cooldown talk you should do in brewmaster channel, but popping a cooldown on pull is a good practice for tanks in general

[robust jackal]

thanks

[graceful kite]

Just use a cooldown when beam is charging

Reflect+demo, wall, last stand+reflect

I think you can catch a couple beams with spell block but cant remember its cd

In general shield is our best slot to have high ilvl

[novel temple]

When should I put my crests/stones towards gear upgrades?

When it’s hero gear or is it fine if I upgrade champion

Champion/veteran

[graceful kite]

Wrist and cloak, but if you dont do mythic raid i still suggest you craft a shield

I did shield and weapon and waiting to anything to drop from vault/mythic first bosses but it just doesnt so i still have those

You can do embelished bracer

Shield can also use armor embelishments so you can make shield bracer with duskthread

[jagged gust]

mastery = more damage = good

it aint that deep

[graceful kite]

I actually picked mythic mark this week and it was a bad choice

Atleast i think so

[peak pier]

Hello guys, whats is the dungeons that we absolutly need Spell Block ?

[wanton coral]

hi guys has anyone got a rotation or rough guide they know of playingf colossus?

[jagged gust]

Swap TC with revenge

that's the short of it

[zealous goblet]

you don't absolutely need it, but it's so strong that you should take it always. all dungeons has uses for it

what did you hope to take alternatively?

i think that'd be more productive line of questioning

[violet ginkgo]

the tough as nail reflect damage

[violet ginkgo]

I mean most dungeons now need spellblock? there is casters everywhere and you can't spell reflect everytime, and sometimes your teammate doesn't interupt too. The mob won't instantly die as well at high key, so better block it.

[quasi pivot]

Mists, the Anima Slash from Guardians.
Stonevault, that big nuke from the Despoilers.
Those 2 come to immediate mind but the answer really is all of them have packs or bosses where it's useful. Go check the reflect spreadsheet that's pinned somewhere.

[jagged gust]

alloy bolt or w/e it's name is if not kicked is your largest damage intake by far in stonevault as well

[graceful kite]

Every dungeon

[violet ginkgo]

Stonevault casters is just spamming it even after interrupt

[graceful kite]

Its insanely strong and its long

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/sly-dog-bad-gif-18533323

[blazing condor]

just like me fr

[novel temple]

They should just make spell block a passive like tough as nails

[jagged gust]

Pretty sure you could just go afk at that point

[graceful kite]

Comp issue

Lotaa dk and shaman rerollers

And their lockouts are very short

Doesnt rogue have insane lockout numbers with talents

Like 8

Probably not would be crazy in pvp

[jagged gust]

they can garrote spam out of stealth and aoe silence for fucking ages

[graceful kite]

But 5 is still insane

Im talking interrupt lockouts

[tawdry seal]

I think in boralus you can get away without spell block?

[graceful kite]

You probably can, but having a block for shadow debuffs and vulpera/monkey portion is very nice

[novel temple]

Does spell block affect debuffs now too?

[small comet]

does zekvir not count towards delves anymore?

[jagged gust]

changed this week

[small comet]

wack

[violet ginkgo]

Damn they always change the fun isn't it?

oh this is fun for you guys? let us change it.

[jagged gust]

You're gonna do the delves and you're gonna like it

[graceful kite]

Why do delves tho

[jagged gust]

if you don't have access to 10s ig

hero gear is still hero gear

[graceful kite]

Probably

But if you farm zekvir you should have access to 10s

Dont you need to do like 9-10 and whatever after tiers to do zekvir

[jagged gust]

only 8s for ?, 11 for ??

? mode takes like 2 minutes to kill so it wasn't really a huge time investment to bank against bad vault rolls

[small comet]

Blizzard just loves making the game monotonous

[violet ginkgo]

I think it's 10 for ??

[violet ginkgo]

well before this week ? is only like 2-3 mins fight and counts as tier 8 delves to fill your vault. So ppl can just spent about 20 mins and fill the vault for the week, compared if you do actual tier 8 delves which can take 15 minutes.

Blizzard didn't like this short and basically like William said to players "You're gonna do the delves and you're gonna like it"

[digital sandal]

hey chads. Im wondering what is the haste cap for prot warrior or doesnt it matter?

[sly hamlet]

how much haste for "Into the fray"?

[digital sandal]

Im siting on 15k (30%)

[wary sierra]

To be fair, they are using this season to test delves. If your skipping delves by farming zekvir. They cant really collect much delve data :L

So yeah theyre going to force you through them to see what works and what doesnt. I can imagine theyve noticed we will use any method to skip them ^^

[sly hamlet]

that seems low no? No Shield Block Uptime problems in M+?

[digital sandal]

I'm having a few moments in M+ that i am without SB but im running bolster to fill those luls

With heavy repracussions I dont really have a problem

[wraith olive]

I don't understand what happens if you use both Shield Block charges simultaneously? Dorki's guide says it stacks but in game there's nothing to say that this is the case
(level 12 if this is relevant)

[jagged gust]

it stacks

[graceful kite]

I get it, Im asking why people are doing delves on their mains

[graceful kite]

Buff stacks up to 24 seconds

No matter which way you stack it

[urban portal]

3x base duration

[wraith olive]

Ok thanks all!

[violet ginkgo]

Well @graceful kite I mean extra 3 choice vault which "Who knows there is tier piece" if you haven't obtain the heroic tier piece yet. I think early week season I gain 2 times heroic tier piece from the delve line, because my M+ line got nothing and my raid line still normal.

[jagged gust]

imagine getting 1 myth slot unlocked and it's throngus finger

[uncut shadow]

Is there a list anywhere on which dungeons spell block is better ?

Feels like I massively underutilise it

[novel blaze]

Does spell reflects DR continue to work if you reflect a spell?

[twilit lagoon]

this is the spell reflect WA. by default there is no sound turned on. but even when i insert a sound, it doesnt make a sound when it should. anyone got an idea maybe? : D

[novel temple]

Is it worth spending resources on upgrading champion track gear or should I wait for hero?

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

pins theres a sheet

[jagged pier]

thats up to u

[novel blaze]

Thank you

[plush brook]

In this video https://youtu.be/fqVV3d4nzTI?t=284, YoDa talks about needing to have 35-40% haste in order to drop Bolster as a talent and reain 100% shield block uptime

Im at 624, and sitting at 23% haste - do I just have really bad secondary stats? ARe you guys reaching 35-40%?

[sweet summit]

i'm at 26% haste from gear, 32% with gear+talents. but i play HR

[jagged pier]

i have 34% at 624

[sleek echo]

In the 35-40% haste recommended before the haste we get from ITF? Or is it including that

[jagged pier]

not sure why he would recommend droping bolster u shouldnt be running that anyway unless your play bsv

but eh i rean a mist with 34% haste and itf this week got 92% blocked hits

so can get to higher with more haste

not quite the 98 which erga got tho

i doubt youll ever get that high without hr

[plush brook]

What is HR and BSV?

[weak sinew]

Heavy repercussions (more shield block uptime) and battle scarred veteran (cheat death)

[plush brook]

Ahh right 🙂

[sweet summit]

before itf

[terse hollow]

Any chance we got anyone who can craft shields in here? i think orders are cross realm? 😄

[violet ginkgo]

Is it though? I am not sure if it is cross realm, you can try ask in your realm by /2 in the chat.

usually there will be someone responding.

[terse hollow]

ive been trying since yesterday with that

and no joy

[sweet summit]

orders are not cross realm, just some realms are connected

[tardy abyss]

I've tried ITF a few times but HR just feels so much better

Don't think I will ever really swap to that talent despite the Haste also feeling nice

[gentle pier]

Anyone having progress pugging +12s ?

I feel like the game is on paus til they do something about it

[sweet summit]

i know some people who've had success pugging above 11s but i will not even try...
thankfully i have a group to play with

[fluid python]

hey guys, any good platter profile you know about?

[wicked pollen]

jundies good 🙂

[oblique garnet]

🐔

[hexed shore]

https://quazii.com/the-war-within-plater-nameplates-profile/

[sweet summit]

[oblique garnet]

Am i wrong?

[ornate thicket]

I can but traveling all day and wont be home until late PST. Ruekk-Tichondrius. If you still need by tonight or tomorrow morning just ping me

Guilds are cross realm. Can join guild temporarily

[wicked pollen]

with the time hes been posting it makes me guess that he is eu

[ornate thicket]

Ahh fair. Yeah im USA

[tame lake]

Im EU (server is Sanguino) and can craft shields, but wont be online until tomorrow noon. If you need it tell me

[sweet summit]

no...

[oblique garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-chickenbro-calling-dance-sing-gif-6667284142870503542

[tribal wharf]

for me yes

chicken of have heart attack

aint fuckin worth it

[sweet summit]

i'm getting bullied by a mod what do i do

[tribal wharf]

to do a 10 for me

[oblique garnet]

Take it like a man

[tribal wharf]

just sayin lol

[lofty veldt]

excuse me mr moderator please cease this bullying

erga is a powerful gamer

[sweet summit]

[tribal wharf]

i already did BFA and SL and DF, got KSM in all 3 of those expansions

[oblique garnet]

im only bullying erga because im expecting greatness from him

[tribal wharf]

im kinda tired of keystones chief

i already seen everything they can be

[lofty veldt]

erga please continue doing great things

[sweet summit]

i'm sorry to say but you might have to lower your expectations

[oblique garnet]

No

Rise up to them

[sweet summit]

i'm a stinky pooper

[tribal wharf]

for old yogi

I'VE HAD ENOUGH

this is bullshit lol

no 12 13 keys for me

[sweet summit]

i timed a 13 yesterday very poggers

altho it was ara kara so not too impressive

[lofty veldt]

best i timed so far is only a 6

[tribal wharf]

its like,

[oblique garnet]

Do i need to come out of retirement

[tribal wharf]

mario games on nes are a great series of games

[balmy crescent]

does the second part of this heal during combat? the 35% bit

[tribal wharf]

but its the same formula

[sweet summit]

this page needs a hero

[tribal wharf]

and after you played them enough times its just boring

and not as fun

[oblique garnet]

Im no hero

[tribal wharf]

and thats what im going through, it will be fun later

[sweet summit]

i'm gonna be honest i do quite enjoy the dungeons this season, after getting used to them
i still really dislike siege but wcyd
maybe it is time for you to come back 👀

[tribal wharf]

I'm not a hero!! im not a saviour!! forget what you know

[sweet summit]

yes

[wraith olive]

Is it recommended to add sounds to a specific weakaura? For example when shield block is about to expire etc

[lofty veldt]

if it'll help you why not

[wicked pollen]

how consistent do you think it is on prot

[sweet summit]

i think it is not worth 1 point

if we got it for free it would be cool

[wicked pollen]

would also be cool if i could tank with 2 2h

[oblique garnet]

Im broke 😦

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1261205336715694091.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[sharp gale]

You just have to press your buttons too early as fury to become a 2 2 hands tank

[wicked pollen]

then fall

i can only last for er bs

then im

[sharp gale]

We all fall one day

[tardy sequoia]

Is mythic plus friends / no pressure community good for pushing keys or doing raids?

[wicked pollen]

no clue never heard of it

[fossil moat]

hey guys , how can we mute the yelling from the warrior casts

[robust egret]

I’m new to playing my warrior. I’m trying to understand how to maximize shield block uptime. It has a small time frame where it’s 0 charges and down. Is this the time to use shield charge ? Can you maintain 100% block uptime ?

[sweet summit]

with heavy repercussions you can theoretically reach 100% block uptime (or blocked hits as the real metric), but it's not really feasible due to grouping pulls and stuff. shield block does stack so you can press it back to back. with enduring defenses (standard talent to use) it stacks to 24 seconds (3x one cast duration)

[waxen quarry]

idk i never paid attention cause i never felt like i took too much damage but then again HR and enduring defences

[vale karma]

mythic plus friends is more for finding pre-made groups, def good. NOP is for people who get anxiety with random pugs who flame

[ocean hull]

(for m+)Anyone know why go alot go Dwarf over Dark Iron Dwarf ? Is it for the crit over the movement speed and PhyscalDR

[vale karma]

dwarf has dispell

[sweet summit]

both have dispell

idk what the lore is on the difference

[vale karma]

oh yeh, I guess the only difference on dispells is 10% phys damage taken or stat buff

and crit for normal dwarfs

[graceful kite]

Dark iron has its offense baked in stoneform

While dwarf has it passively and stoneform is purely defensive/dispel

[fossil moat]

hey guys , how can we mute the yelling from the warrior casts

[vale karma]

WAAAAH

[graceful kite]

Check wowhead for soundfile id probably

[lofty veldt]

WAAAAH

[graceful kite]

And paste a script that disables specific id

[nocturne spindle]

Leatrix usually has a lot of specific mute options as well

If you just want an addon

[vale karma]

don't you get disowned from warrior community if you mute the scream tho?

that's not very unga bunga

[nocturne spindle]

You can lie and say you didn't

[ocean hull]

depends on what race you are i can understand why you would mute

[nocturne spindle]

It's the internet

[tardy abyss]

Not very zugzug

[fossil moat]

go push a +12 on comms and have the constant WAA WAAA aswell

u will love it

[vale karma]

there should be an option to put the screams on comms

[lofty veldt]

friendly gamers, is there a way to identify if something's spell blockable from this page?

[vale karma]

why are we the only ones who ge to enjoy them,

[robust egret]

oh the talents i copied had into the fray

TY!

[graceful kite]

Nah we already have people playing slutmogged femchars

[graceful kite]

Check the pins

[lofty veldt]

oh i feel incredibly stupid.

[plush brook]

Guys, can you help me interpret a log?
I did a 11 SV, and 5 s into the Skarmorak fight, the enhancement shaman gets killed by the tankbuster

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jz4y3ZbPW6axdqMw#fight=last&type=summary&view=events

However, I have no idea how he got targeted, because according to the logs it doesn't look like he has aggro of the boss?
I just did my regular rotation at the start of the pull, nothing weird, and still he ripped aggro?

Or, got targeted by TB. It's at 8.51

[vale karma]

what tanbuster? Oo I didn't even know there is one on that fight

[plush brook]

Crystalline Smash

[vale karma]

were you in range of the boss?

[plush brook]

Fairly certain

[tardy abyss]

Right before that he hit a tempest for 5.5M followed by a 4.8M lightning bolt, unless you taunted theres a good chance he took aggro for a short moment

[plush brook]

Ok.. hm..

[vale karma]

is there no way to see aggro in logs?

as in second by second break down

[tardy abyss]

Unless Im misinterpreting this, he had aggro there https://i.imgur.com/kRtFanq.png

[plush brook]

Ah, looks like it. Not sure why I didn't see that.
Guess I need to double check to use taunt at the pull

Thought id dint by mnaybe not

[tardy abyss]

Rets and enhancers love to take aggro in the first few seconds of a fight

[vale karma]

is it on them to hold their big pp for a moment or we actually need to plan ahead with taunt?

and press it with their burst

[tardy abyss]

In case of bosses you should plan ahead tbh

On aoe all you can do is aoe taunt every 2 minutes and thats it

[pallid quiver]

Taunt also makes you generate extra aggro during its duration, so on bosses there's minimal reason to not send taunt on pull to prevent things like this

[nocturne spindle]

Yea for a boss there's no reason not to taunt

[pallid quiver]

Since it'll make the boss fixate on you for the 3 seconds and give you a comfy aggro lead

[plush brook]

Yep, will be more careful with taunitng

Always taunting *

[twin sapphire]

Yo ! Should my first 636 craft be a weapon or shield?

[hasty lintel]

can i get an honest review of whats tanking like if i switch from dps ?

is it harder? are rotations confusing at first?

[blazing condor]

its neither harder or easier

its just different

you have to think about things you otherwise wouldnt as dps

but its not hard

[hasty lintel]

is it stressful APM wise?

[hoary pivot]

I would say Prot Warrior specifically is pretty high APM compared to some other tanks, but you get used to it

[hasty lintel]

its just ignore pain APM or a lot of other shit?

[hoary pivot]

Ignore Pain, Shield Block and Avatar are off GCD and you press them a lot. Haste is also your best secondary. Adds up to higher APM.

[jolly spindle]

is this bad for prot

i just did a +8 and took a lot of damage

[hoary pivot]

Totally fine, secondaries are fluff

[jolly spindle]

then im not pressing something correctly

[hoary pivot]

If you take a lot of damage, its probably gameplay. There is a log analysis help channel on this server.

[jolly spindle]

where ppl look at my logs?

[hoary pivot]

If you lig, you can check rage wasted and hits blocked as good indicators

[jolly spindle]

i forgor to log

[hoary pivot]

Blocked hits % should be very high, not 100% but close-ish

[jolly spindle]

i didnt die tho

but idk if thats an achievement

but i was forced to use personals n shit

hunter was also agroing randomly

but the prot warriors i see dont take damage

[hoary pivot]

I think common mistakes are not hitting shield slam often enough (its the highest priority outside of CDs), not spending rage enough, not pressing enough buttons overall, not sending CDs when they are up, not keeping Shield Block up…

[hoary pivot]

I mean you have defensives to use them

Thats why they exist

[jolly spindle]

ye but 3.5 m cd for a normal pack

is overkill no

[hoary pivot]

There is a lot of mechanics that are built for you tk use defensives on them

[jolly spindle]

like in the maze

[jolly spindle]

ahhh

i never played tank b4

[hoary pivot]

The Anima Slash casts are deadly. Use Spell Reflect and Spell Block for them, Shield Wall otherwise.

Shield Wall will be ready a lot, as its CD is reduced by spending Rage, which is what the recommended Mountain Thane M+ build does a lot all the time

Demo Shout as well, it has more uptime than the tooltip makes you think

[jolly spindle]

oh wtf

i didnt know cd gets reduced

[hoary pivot]

Knowing when to Spell Reflect and Spell Block helps in some mechanics that chunk you hard otherwise

[hoary pivot]

Thats why we like spending rage, even if we already have 100% Ignore Pain

The recommended build mostly tries to cycle as muss rage as possible

Read the Anger Management, Indomitable and Thunderlord talents

[strong forum]

dont froget outburst

that talent is paramount to the rage machine aswell

[jolly spindle]

oh i have no thunderlord

omfg im so stupid

i was tanking with raid talents

[strong forum]

[vale karma]

you should absolutely press cds for packs

[obtuse marten]

How do you guys deal with 90% slow + web swirly combo on side trash in arakara last boss room?

[strong forum]

avatar/leap

[soft aspen]

dodge

[vale karma]

you can also not pull them

[strong forum]

^

[obtuse marten]

Trash from middle is pretty ineficient tho

[soft aspen]

you can’t do middle trash in high key

just not a thing

it’s haram

[obtuse marten]

I thought i could wait until second set of swirlies show up to leap, but the timing is super tight

[vale karma]

intercept also works no?

[obtuse marten]

First time i was there i intervened into an ally and the second set just spawned on top of me

[vale karma]

*intervene

[toxic pewter]

yeah intervene can work but people often not in ideal spots tbh

obviously use it tho if opportunity is there

[obtuse marten]

Checking footage it's actually almost instant, 2nd set spawns and then 1st set pops in like 100ms

[vale karma]

huh, my squiriles show up as white circles btw, what setting is that?

[obtuse marten]

https://youtu.be/p712Lt5aqfQ?si=-xrO0meQPjN171iG&t=1051

[obtuse marten]

Timestamped to see the spawning sets

[obtuse marten]

It was footage from beta, maybe it changed

[twin sapphire]

636 weapon with ascension OR 636 shield with duskthread lining ? 🙂 (first 636 craft)

[strong forum]

cant craft dusk on weapon

oh

yeah craft shield

[twin sapphire]

aight thanks

[graceful kite]

leap intervene avatar beg for freedom

[solar spear]

thoughts on pulling the gatekeepers in NW now since the hotfix?

[tulip remnant]

Don’t want to, but it’s not immediate death if you do.

imo

Rather not risk pulling the adds that can one shot your group without perfect CDs

[toxic pewter]

still dont have any interest in pulling those mobs

[molten gorge]

The tech is pulling them with the throw boys and you line them up for the big nuke and they're trivial

But not sure that's sensible in a pug personally

[lofty veldt]

I accidentally went into +7 with my colossus tree

Didn’t go too bad

💀

[unkempt pasture]

Anyone able to help me on what to craft got my wrists and belt crafted 646 but i see all the top players going with sword and shield should i also have these two crafter on top or?

[molten gorge]

They're just the biggest ups early on

[sweet summit]

what are the odds of you getting myth track weppy/shield

[unkempt pasture]

low

[sweet summit]

if you can i would send crests on upgrades rather than crafts

[unkempt pasture]

I doubt im going to down any mythic raid tbh

[molten gorge]

Then def craft shield at least imo

[unkempt pasture]

Okay thank you

Not really a raider and in no guild so will be a pain to even get grp

[robust surge]

how does the spell reflect on tentacles work on last boss grim batol. how many can i soak is it just one or can i clear more at the same time

[sweet summit]

5 seconds of immunity

[robust surge]

okay thanks ! @sweet summit

[molten gorge]

It's def chill, can pug first 4 now if you have a good group

[hoary pivot]

You can soak for the whole duration but I really don’t recommend being greedy trying to squeeze more in.

[molten gorge]

Will only get easier as the weeks go on

[sick sentinel]

okay so like realistically speaking is it worth to craft shoulders 636

[sweet summit]

nah

i can't see that

[vale karma]

Tier pieces are the easiest to get

[molten gorge]

Ring always good value cause stats

[vale karma]

In vault

[molten gorge]

If you're tryna find something to craft but not sure

[sudden kelp]

hello guys, is there a gap between 10 and 11 or it's mostly the same ?

[sweet summit]

mostly same

[sick sentinel]

nah just thought specifically for stats

[bronze wraith]

Do full upgraded heroic tier shoulders get the purple lightning effect?

[molten gorge]

It's an achievement

[bronze wraith]

What's the achievement?

[molten gorge]

Not at home so tryna remember

Think I got it for 2.5k m+?

Then you get an item to use

Assume you get it for some kind of raid clear too, but not sure which

[hoary pivot]

First two should probably be shield into weapon right? Assuming no mythic raiding.

[molten gorge]

I'd say so personally ya

I did that even with pugging the raid tbf

Then made ring

[bronze wraith]

Is the ring that good?

[sick sentinel]

well free bis stats no minus on mainstat

life good

[molten gorge]

The tech with re craft makes it worth especially

Plus what Aspen said, just easy bis stats and only 3 ilvls lower

[charred atlas]

Think it’s 2.5k m+, CE or a certain amount of rating in pvp iirc

[pallid quiver]

This is late, but it's also important to note that trash and packs hit harder than bosses for tanks, especially when they have tank buster casts like Anima Slash and the like. There's some bosses where the main damage is on tanks and it's a notable amount, but those are generally rarer than trash

[scenic mural]

How do you guys handle the frost cast on the twins boss in CoT? Even when my party stacks that initial tick fucks

[pallid quiver]

I always try to have CDs rolling; it's by far the hardest hitting point of the fight on tanks from what I can remember off the top of my head

I can't actually think of anything else that really hurts that much

[scenic mural]

Through stacked ip and shield wall still makes me clench lmao

[pallid quiver]

If my sleep head is remembering right, you can also spell block it

[scenic mural]

Woahhhh

[pallid quiver]

You should also have SR to reduce it, as well

[scenic mural]

Ill have to check the spreadsheet

[hoary pivot]

Being prestacked is pretty important, as the stack removal checks every second for nearby players. Greatly reduces the damage.

[pallid quiver]

The other thing about the first tick is that it comes with the actual tank hit itself

[hoary pivot]

Spell Reflect has a flat damage reduction for magic damage even without reflecting

[merry trout]

yo for 2500 rating, do i need 8 +10s?

[shell warren]

Im trying to set Spell Reflect Essentials WA up but cant get it to work

noticed this part on the website: "In order for the WA to work properly, the opponents' life bars must be activated"

Anyone know how to activate this?

[sweet summit]

enemy nameplates

are usually active

by default

[stuck oasis]

How does it work in general? You can just walk into tentacles while spell reflect is up and negate them?

[sweet summit]

yea

[shell warren]

Yeah they are active. Not sure what I am doing wrong. After importing, do I need to activate it somehow? (Im in general new to WA)

[molten gorge]

Something around that ya

[novel temple]

Should I use a catalyst charge on champion track gear?

I feel like it’s a big waste

[sweet summit]

hero at the very least imo

[molten gorge]

The tier set is so meh

[stuck oasis]

its really not a big deal if you use it on champion.

since they are essentially the same until you get gilded crests flowing

[novel temple]

So I can comfortably rank like 6s but I just haven’t gotten into groups

[pallid quiver]

It feels really bad to use on Champion since our tier is doo doo butter and you only get a charge every other week, but

[hoary pivot]

I would focus on gearing to a point where you can farm Hero gesr comfortably through M+ and use the charges then. You are not missing much by not having the set bonus.

[robust surge]

@stuck oasis i dont know how it works exactly but think it was @sweet summit saying its 5 sec immunity after the intial soak. So during that time you can soak the tentacles @hoary pivot said to not be to greedy soaking tho so prly leave some margin of error

[rigid hull]

is there a way to check raidbots spell rotation

[sweet summit]

you a smaller sim/quick sim -> full html report -> scroll down to action priority list -> sample sequence

[stone moat]

what combo of these 3 would i run? Kira is running alot of vers gear but I'm only doing 12s

[rigid hull]

here?

[sweet summit]

click this dropdown and scroll down

[sweet summit]

the combo that gives you the most haste

[novel temple]

Alright, I figured cause it felt bad to think about doing it

[sweet summit]

if you're not too concernd about that you can sim for damage

[novel temple]

I’ve been 3 chesting stuff to 5/6 but I think my group’s have been weak for those keys

Comfortably tanking them

[pallid quiver]

Almost every group you'll have outside of +10s are going to be kinda struggle bussing atm

Since pretty much every good player is only going to be slapping +10s since it's the only thing that gives Myth track loot

[rigid hull]

thanks @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

[novel temple]

And only vault mythic loot

[sweet girder]

abysal dot in dawnbreaker from big adds reflectable suddenly or did i miss something

[novel temple]

I did finally play with an Aug though, and that shit is life changing

I never wanna go back

[robust surge]

Never used Intervene. Do I generate threat from Intervene? For example, if a melee over-aggros and I Intervene just before, will it redirect aggro back to me

[sweet summit]

aggro no

but it redirects attacks

also for example first boss NW you can intervene the frontal target and they take 0 damage

you take it instead

very useful

[hoary pivot]

I always have a hard time to hit the right timing on Intervene

You can supposedly also Intervene the Ricochet on the second boss in SoB, but I never manage to do it

[sweet summit]

use mouseover targettarget intervene

ez

[violet ginkgo]

mouseover targetoftarget?

[hoary pivot]

Oh wait, you have to keep standing close to the target?

[sweet summit]

yes

[sweet summit]

yes

[hoary pivot]

Never did that, Im stupid

That explains a lot

[hoary pivot]

With Mountain Thane, Intervene also shields your target. So you can use ot as off healing in dangerous situations (besides the obvious movement situations)

[turbid basin]

Hello. How much haste am i looking for before 'Into the Fray ' is worth it?

[novel temple]

Bruh

I just had a fury warrior in a normal group take the court trinket

[sweet summit]

itf is always better offensively. if you want itf but still have as close to 100% block as possible you want like 40% before itf

[novel temple]

Dudes got a myth track sacbrood and a hero track skarmorak

[sweet summit]

offspec maxxing

[turbid basin]

Hmm okay, thanks for the answer:)

[novel temple]

And he’s saying a normal is bis for 12s

Over those two

Fml

[bronze wraith]

How much dps should we be doing at 8-10s ? I dont have a frame of reference for other tanks.

[violet ginkgo]

the scarab things?

[bronze wraith]

I am doing 650-800k so far

[violet ginkgo]

He probably want tank trinket for more survival, but well not sure if DPS have to take tank trinket for 12?

[molten gorge]

Details or logs?

[bronze wraith]

I am not at my computer currently. I will get them later.

[molten gorge]

Realistically tbf, the main thing is, are dps dying to you not having aggro

[novel temple]

Yeah

[molten gorge]

Details I think has an inflated number compared to logs, but have seen some people saying 1mil on details

[bronze wraith]

I think i have had that happen twice in like 16 runs. An overgeared dps would target a non I wasn't targeting, but I snap it

[molten gorge]

However also think it's a cap depending on the dungeon, cause my logs are good and I don't remember seing 1mil often (tho I rarely check details post run)

[tropic tangle]

yeah, dungeon dependant for sure

[molten gorge]

Ya some bursty classes make it harder for sure

[tropic tangle]

also really depends how you're pulling

[sweet summit]

you also do more damage in higher keys

[bronze wraith]

I actually dropped roar for some runs for +10% stam. It feels like timing my keys is more dependent on me surviving instead of doing damage.

[novel temple]

It’s actually surprising how much it feels like I need def stance to always be on in dungeons now

Though I’ve only got a 606 shield and I’m like 593 ilvl

[bronze wraith]

Shield item level feels so important. I went form 619 to 636 shield and it was night and day

[molten gorge]

Pretty much the case with tanking at the high end from what I've been told

[novel temple]

It’s not as bad like it was in wrath for me

In BC it was a weapon

I was stuck with sun water till BT

[vale karma]

Do you even bother to switch stances? Feels like 3% is never worth the risk

[novel temple]

Not anymore

[turbid shuttle]

mists 1st boss

other than that no

[novel temple]

Maybe on some bosses I will

Oooo

[turbid shuttle]

then forget to swap back and get clapped by trash

[novel temple]

That’d be a good time

[bronze wraith]

Wait really? I have been going by alot of wowhead and that is all dps all the time and i hate it.

[tropic tangle]

it's both, really, but at the very high end you're optimizing about how big of a pull your group can survive

if you as the tank deal 10% less damage, but you can pull an extra pack, that's probably a neutral exchange for you alone and then you get more efficiency for your DPS too

[undone bramble]

ok so am off spec tanking 7s-9s what emblish you guys think i should use

[molten gorge]

^

[undone bramble]

am a bit confused on what people actually use

so much diversity

[bronze wraith]

Is the wowhead prot warrior guide kind of full of it?

[undone bramble]

we dont use that word

[molten gorge]

Just all depends what your goals are ennit, high key push =/= speed (mdi type stuff) =/= personal parses

[undone bramble]

just doing 7s-9s as quick as i can, usually no healer

[wicked pollen]

no its written by people in this discord

[tropic tangle]

naw, I'd say the guide is solid. For the vast majority of the population, you don't even need to think about the scenario above because you're not in high enough keys where that optimization actually matters

things break down differently at the extremes

[molten gorge]

Ya it's a good all round no doubt

Easy clear your weekly vault via the guide

[bronze wraith]

Ok. I think i get it now

It makes more sense now. It feels like heavy dps and i am saying away from heavy dps

[molten gorge]

Can play the BSV build if you just wanna be an immortal tanky boi

[bronze wraith]

Why did scarab get rated so low ?

[molten gorge]

Not as valuable when block class

[tropic tangle]

yeah, weekly 10s you can sit dstance, do singular pulls and as long as the DPS in your group are ok at the game should be fairly easy to time (some would be closer than others)

[small dove]

is defenders aegis worth over impenetrable wall? anyone know what the math equals out to?

[bronze wraith]

My thing is it gives probably half the hps of when I am blasting ignore pain. Like it feels super strong.

[pallid quiver]

It adds up to less Shield Walls over time.

[tropic tangle]

generally no, you'll get more uses of SW by getting the CD reduction

[pallid quiver]

The longer the time duration, the greater the difference

[lofty veldt]

No one saw that 👁️👁️

[graceful kite]

I did

[lofty veldt]

Remove it from your memory 🫵🏼

[novel temple]

What about using it with the other avatar capstone talent?

[pallid quiver]

The only extra benefit you get from Defender's Aegis is the ability to have two back to back shield walls if you wait to pool them

[graceful kite]

28 interrupts and windows activation

[lofty veldt]

Lmaaaaaao

[robust surge]

@sweet summit Thanks. Does anyone know if there's a spreadsheet or WeakAura that recommends or lists the most squishy or priority targets to Intervene during dangerous encounters in every M+ dungeon, both boss and adds? Similar to the Spell Reflect spreadsheet and WeakAura. @hoary pivot I've always used Stormbolt before since I forget to use Intervene, but I think Intervene might save the key more often if I learn to use it correctly

[tropic tangle]

if you see high end warriors running Aegis it's likely to enable specific pulls where they need a quick second wall in a pack

[pallid quiver]

That's worse than using Imp Wall + Immovable Object, since you get less Shield Walls, so less Avatar uptime

[novel temple]

Maximizing avatar uptime

[graceful kite]

Im avatar irl

[novel temple]

If only

[molten gorge]

It is a fair bit of healing ya, it just isn't necessarily useful healing

[lofty veldt]

I can’t wait to get more haste I’m only at 27% and it feels so good

[pallid quiver]

Technically, if you're really shit at playing Prot War, Def Aegis would be better since it does just raw reduce the CD of Shield Wall

But you'd have to be really shit at playing Prot War

[novel temple]

I do wanna try colossus in m+

But I might just have to go arms for the things I wanna try

[lofty veldt]

I tried it out today and it was fun

[graceful kite]

Hows rage

[novel temple]

I wanna have like an enhance shaman and an Aug with it

[lofty veldt]

I got rage starved in a few places cause I fucked up

But it wasn’t tooooo bad

[novel temple]

Constant knockups

[graceful kite]

Fuck aug

[novel temple]

Aug with the knock up racial talented

Just cycle through knockups

[lofty veldt]

This was my overall in +7 mists @novel temple

I’m a bad gamer though

But I thought it was cool

Give it a try!

[graceful kite]

Activate windows

[lofty veldt]

There’s 5 pcs next to each other

And the one I play on is the one without windows activation

[graceful kite]

Is this some kind of lan party

[lofty veldt]

Kind of my friend got them at his place

And we sometimes go and do shit together there

[molten gorge]

Love the rage bait

[graceful kite]

Cool

[lofty veldt]

I see no rage bait only gaming

[molten gorge]

Photo with camera

Activate windows

[lofty veldt]

🙏

[molten gorge]

Shadow Priest below tank

[graceful kite]

I actually want to give people links to activate you know

But i think it might be illegal...

[lofty veldt]

I offered to activate and he’s like nah

[molten gorge]

There's a weak aura that literally puts it up in the corner as a meme haha

[novel temple]

Nice

[lofty veldt]

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YOU HAVE 5 PCS casually in the living room

And you can’t activate windows

[lofty veldt]

I need that

[round cliff]

i demand you activate windows

its literally a single command prompt input

do it

also stop taking pics of your screen

its 2024 use screenshots

[violet ginkgo]

do you mean we crack it or legal? I need some info on this too.

[round cliff]

ppl rly be legally activating windows in 2024

for legal reasons this is a joke*

[graceful kite]

Paying for spyware

[molten gorge]

Is it expensive now?

[lofty veldt]

@molten gorge the rage bait is indeed working

[graceful kite]

It was around 200usd when my license got bricked

[lofty veldt]

Rip license

[graceful kite]

But it was in 2013

[molten gorge]

Hehehehe

[round cliff]

ive literally never paid for windows tbh

literally faster to crack it than to type in a product key

xd

literally

[lofty veldt]

For legal reasons

[round cliff]

hypothetically i mean

id never do anything illegal

[lofty veldt]

Of course model citizen fruiter (furry warrior lolll)

[abstract jungle]

random question from my offspec adventures, when do you actually press the swarmlord trinket? am i correct in saying that all of the defensive part is passive and the on use is just a single target damage effect?

[tough patio]

I have this build, just did some leveling a long time ago, this build good?

is it good zugzug?

[sweet summit]

looks great

[tough patio]

Noice!

[violet ginkgo]

Well that is standard build for M+ so you are good

[tepid reef]

How do i need to pull second boss grim batol

to keep enough room for the fight

[tough patio]

Do I put that on my bars?

[graceful kite]

Pull giant pull 3pack pull giant pull boas

[graceful kite]

No

Slam and whirlwind we never use

[hybrid canyon]

i dont need rend on my bar right cuz i just apply from tclap?

[blazing condor]

thats correct

[young oasis]

Is 752k overall good damage for Siege of Boralus 10? I'm Colossus

[scarlet stone]

It’s not terrible, depends how you pulled.

Good is 900-1m.

[turbid shuttle]

the best way to answer this question is to log your run and look at the key% number, which will tell you how much you're doing relative to other pwars in the same key and level

[young oasis]

Ok. Thank you. Didnt took log this time, so cant compare.

still far off 900k. Gonna keep practicing

[scarlet stone]

I mean you can compare but just going to wcl and looking.

Other thing to note too is 900-1m is easily doable as thane in most runs so as colossus you want to be doing more.

But again those numbers are relative to pull size / risk.

[south zealot]

not rlly as colossus

depends on ilvl talents pulls trinkets etc

[turbid shuttle]

650k was a 93% parse in wcl, which worked out to the equivalent of ~700k in details. so 750k would be relatively high.

[scarlet stone]

You have to look at key level parse, not overall.

[south zealot]

tanks dont understand how to do damage

its pretty low

[turbid shuttle]

that's what I'm looking at

[young oasis]

639 Mark of Khardros and 626 Sacbrood

rest gear is pure shit, 619 overall 😄 Invested all Gilded in Khardros for cooler coolness

not pure shit, but HC track

[south zealot]

hmm should be able to push higher

you have crafted 1h and shield?

[young oasis]

619 weap, 619 shield. Crafted 619 bracer and belt with embelishment

hoping for mythic first boss to drop shield

[tribal wharf]

i can do a 619 craft today, but i dunno what im crafting so

[south zealot]

CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEDAAAAzMzMmZGMbzsMzMz2CjBNGMmBwyYmZAzMjZgZMDAAAAAAYmBAYZbDwAsZGDLkBmhFmxmxC

[young oasis]

looks like priest logged

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4amTnRP2ZWVzfNAh#fight=18&view=rankings

[south zealot]

swap into the fray for heavy reprecussuons if your haste isnt super high

[young oasis]

made many mistakes, don't flame.

[scarlet stone]

626 mark 626 sac 626 wep 626 shield, no embellishments, doing 975k~ in most runs as thane with much more mit than colossus. Ideally you go colossus to forego survivability for even more dps.

[turbid shuttle]

no flame at all. I'd be more concerned about your blocked hits than your dps.

[scarlet stone]

Problem is definitely like they said, most tanks do really bad dps so even a high parse doesn’t really paint the picture.

[sweet summit]

you're getting hit in the back

[tribal wharf]

what if instead of a timer in keys, there was a "par deaths" for if you get loot when done the key

[south zealot]

youre not hitting enough spells

my casts are in the first picture

[tribal wharf]

like, you can only have 25 team deaths and then it ejects you out of the key

[south zealot]

literally double your shield slam casts

per minute

[young oasis]

Thank you, guys. Really appreciate this and will take this as motivation.

[sweet summit]

colossus vs thane or both colossus? thane gets a lot more ss resets

[south zealot]

both colossus

[young oasis]

I'm colossus

[hybrid canyon]

ww, slam, hamstring any of these worth a keybind slot?

[south zealot]

no

[sweet summit]

none of them are on my bars

[hybrid canyon]

kk ty

[scarlet stone]

Hamstring niche, rest can be removed.

[turbid shuttle]

rage gen very low. 470/min compared to mine is like 660/min. probably because of the lack of ss casts

[south zealot]

15cpm shield slam is just the prot warrior aim

[turbid shuttle]

way too much revenge

only press revenge if ss/tc are down

[young oasis]

was priorytizing it

[south zealot]

its colossus

[young oasis]

ok

[south zealot]

revenge casts are good

[turbid shuttle]

oh colossus

sorry mb

[young oasis]

since there were a lot of targets

[turbid shuttle]

ignore me then

[young oasis]

so was hitting revenge more

[south zealot]

still too many revenge casts, shield slam is number 1 prio

[young oasis]

ok

[south zealot]

even with a lot of targets

but it is your 2nd button over thunderclap

just make sure you have rends up

[turbid shuttle]

your shield block is falling off

75% sb uptime compared to 87% in combat time.

keep sb up 100% of the time you're in combat

[young oasis]

will have it on my mind

thanks once again for effort to look at it and advices you gave

[violet ginkgo]

never put this in your bar ever, whirlwind too

[turbid shuttle]

something positive at least: you're wasting almost 0 rage

[tough patio]

Noted!

Thought as much

[violet ginkgo]

too much revenge for him?

[tribal wharf]

those beetles at the very start of thread, does it always point the cone at me or random target

druid last night ate 2 of them in a row instant dead

[violet ginkgo]

2 beetle? usually ppl skip them yogi

[turbid shuttle]

the first one frequently you're the only person in combat, but it's random target

[violet ginkgo]

you go around circling and go straight to the next 4 caster in city of thread

[tribal wharf]

https://wago.io/MtDI4cSqU

this is what i do, i added some notes

[south zealot]

yeah shield slam still highest prio

[tribal wharf]

found a very red hunter

[ionic nimbus]

looks a bit as john cena as peacemeker in red KEKW

[blazing condor]

most hunters rock that red ass armor

and the red zebra cowboy hat

[sweet summit]

what's the lore on 2nd boss db timers btw
my bw is showing two abilities at once is there just some priority system or am i stupid?

[turbid shuttle]

iirc, when dbm shows 2 abilities at once it's random whether you get the one or the other

[inner wren]

Sometimes I wish I was a prot pally

So I could do the giga damage

[toxic pewter]

wat

[sweet summit]

that is incredibly cringe!!!!!!!!

[west turtle]

I'm wondering, what's better for 11-12 key range? Cause I was checking Kirawarrior and he runs Vers/Haste on most of his equipement, but most warriors run Haste/Crit according to Archon and other resources

I know crit means more dmg, but seems like vers is the way to play on higher keys right?

[hoary pivot]

Secondaries are fluff, secondaries besides Haste are even more fluff.

[warm plinth]

It doesn't really matter. Crit will be more overall damage reduction over a key because most of your damage taken is still going to be damage that can be parried (melees).

But damage-wise, they're pretty close

[tepid reef]

Why are my keys so easy today I ask?
I look at my logs, playing with someone parsing 100% for the key level rofl

[warm plinth]

Should also be mentioned that DR from vers is incredibly expensive. It's the highest rating per % conversion by a lot.

It costs 700 rating per % of crit (before diminishing returns). It costs 1560 rating to get 1% of damage reduction from vers.

[west turtle]

so I should just roll with haste/crit atm?

[warm plinth]

Well, doesn't matter. Just roll with what you have.

Secondaries are pretty much never going to be the reason you didn't survive a pull/boss

[zealous goblet]

you're so fucking stupid. you get 1 vers from campfire buff, making vers essentially free DR, only gated by people's cooldowns for campfires

please educate yourself before speaking

(joke pls no hurt)

[urban bane]

[cosmic canyon]

is it just me, or does it feel like most mob spells in m+ currently is random targets, as opposed to how it used to be in the past? whomever had aggro?

[zealous goblet]

mostly correct. 's why you gotta kick

some exceptions, plus i believe first cast is on you, im unsure why or how. maybe it's because i charge the mob and im only one in range or something?

just a theory

[turbid shuttle]

if you're only person in combat with the mob, it's "random", but only 1 target to choose from

[zealous goblet]

luckily the spell reflect weakaura lets you know if you're being casted on, since it'll only show up if a spell is being casted on you and is reflectable

now if someone kicks it is another story

could just brick yer spell reflect

[pallid quiver]

To also elaborate, all secondaries on prot war are close enough in terms of value that simply having that stats is value enough; Haste is just the best of all of them, and crit usually gives slightly more damage than vers, hence the focus on crit. You can't get any amount of vers that will make meaningful differences on a tank because of us having an actual defensive kit to work with as compared to "I press this one button and hope I don't get one shot"

[nimble grail]

Hi do you think this one is better defensive wise than Swarmlord from court ? I have Swarmlord in champion track and this one in hero track, wich one shall i pick to push keys ?

[pallid quiver]

neither

The defensive trinks we have are like, okay at best, outside of the chain weaver trinket. I believe Swarmgland overall is more of a defensive benefit than Swarmlord, though

Like, 1% mastery versus 1% crit or 1 rating mastery versus 1 rating crit?

[turbid shuttle]

is the reduced damage from swarmgland post-mitigation or pre-mitigation?

[pallid quiver]

Depends on how much of other stats you already have

Stats give you less benefit per rating as you get more, making 1 rating of another stat technically worth more than 1 rating of another stat. That's why a lot of bis setups will randomly splash in some mastery, because you get a lot of defensive and offensive benefit out of nowhere because there's no devaluing of the rating you're getting

So it dynamically changes based on what your stat layouts are.

If we're also evaluating it defensively, it also then depends entirely on the damage profile of the encounter/dungeon/etc. For example, if you're fighting a raid boss that literally never melees, and only casts, crit is pretty much useless defensively since its main benefit is that crit gives us parry

[turbid shuttle]

although in that case so is mastery 🙂

[graceful kite]

dont craft a shield if you do mythic they said

[pallid quiver]

Mastery gives AP, which intensifies things like IP

[graceful kite]

its gonna drop they said

[rancid knot]

Yo, i am kinda new to tanking, but i am doing 10 and 11 atm.
I am kinda clueless when it comes to trinkets, what should i get? atm i am just using what i use when i am playing arms/fury

[turbid shuttle]

I didn't know IP scaled with AP. I thought it scaled with HP.

[pallid quiver]

The cap scales with HP, the amount an individual use gives scales with AP

[pallid quiver]

That's likely for the best, since defensive trinkets are largely doo-doo butter at the moment

They're both uninteresting and not particularly impactful

[inner wren]

Pallies do a ton of damage

This isn’t really a secret

[warm plinth]

Eagle why you always mean to me

[pallid quiver]

It's his shitposting strat

It's an interesting one

[zealous goblet]

i'm sorry my sweet little chocolate prince i'm just highly insecure when you're in the chat because you have infinitely more street cred than me and as a loser who peaked in highschool i need to put others down to seem greater than i am

[warm plinth]

Why am I a chocolate prince 😂

[tribal wharf]

what lust class should i play

im starting to get sick of these bad lust players

and ppl dont invite it

[tired forge]

so i know this is a silly question but do we think there is any chance prot will fall out of favor with the 10% dmg nerf to dungeons? I am main swapping to prot and I hate maintaining 2 characters but worried druid utility will be better now that more tanks can survive

[tribal wharf]

if i am lust, i am speed, control the lust

i only played mage before

[drifting dagger]

give warrior lust

[zealous goblet]

i imagine you as a bronze skinned, 6'3 200lb 9 inch weiner wielding chad

[tribal wharf]

give dps warrior blood lust, yes

especially fury

[pallid quiver]

I like Shaman 🙂

[tribal wharf]

fury gets the "better" one

[frosty mango]

Tanks will never fall out of favor

We would have to be f tier abysmal in comparison

[tribal wharf]

blood lust and battle rez are always crazy valued for doing content

[pallid quiver]

were

were good tanks dying outside of mega keys?

like i thought the issue was DPS getting clapped, like it has been since DF

[tired forge]

no they are fine, but its more challenging

[pallid quiver]

And even before

[tribal wharf]

i feel naked and alone scared if i have no BL no BR