garuntee it
#protection
tribal wharf
every time he gets into trouble, he hits bubble
sharp gale
tribal wharf
ya, someone needs to show him the way of the light, thats probably his alt i bet
sharp gale
maybe i should take brutal vitality, still kinda weird to have to thunderclap before every IP
well i have to SS, Revenge and TC before every IP
lusty grotto
do you want a ret that kicks? thats 10% of the ret pop
do you want a ret that freedoms other people? thats 5% of the ret pop
do you want a ret that sacs and dispels? that's 5% of the ret pop
do you want a ret that LoHs and WoG offheals? thats 10% of the ret pop
do you want a ret that does all of those? youre looking at the 1%, or Nimchipadin 😎
sadly nimchipadin hasnt done keys this season because i couldn't give a shit about them on that alt that raid logs
sharp gale
you want a bop on duo adds in NW, 1 specimen
tribal wharf
nim, master of paladins i deem you for this questio
whats the deal with other sac (paladin)
does not compute
lusty grotto
what you mean
tribal wharf
i never ever understand that talent and then the dusk and dawns, there is 2 of them and both read near identical
at the bottom
other than that, paladin fun
lusty grotto
idk tbh
i dont play Sac choice node
i play vanilla sac
and Dawn
theres very little reason to play Dusk
tribal wharf
i think i tried to do all judgement build when i did like 5 seconds of ret play
lusty grotto
just send Dawn every time
ret is ridiculously easy to play
so their utility is just an added thing
thats why i like it
i can just chill a bit and dps on my alt raids
tribal wharf
oh, im a not cleanse user either
tribal wharf
i dunno what i was trying to make here
lusty grotto
i mean recompense is fine
i just dont usually play it
but its wasted if you dont actively sac
depends on the fight really for me
might play it when i dust it off and finally start doing keys on it again
but not for vault keys
tepid reef
Okay, how are tanks surviving anima slash in 11s and 12s
wtf is this mob
(I got slapped down on the double guardian pack in an 8)
deft mortar
do you want a ret that kicks? thats 10% of the ret pop
do you want a ret that fr...
My ret pre-made starts spamming FoL when healer is in trouble
Tbf because we yell on disxord
Pretty chill
mellow quartz
Okay, how are tanks surviving anima slash in 11s and 12s
Reflect, SW, spell block
deft mortar
When I got all my premades we always beat time
And if we don't we continue whatever key
tepid reef
Reflect, SW, spell block
I ran out with 20% left on the mob and fell over :(
mellow quartz
I ran out with 20% left on the mob and fell over :(
Demo shout, last stand
You don’t need something for all but helps
deft mortar
U can spell reflect 1 cast wall the next spell reflect the 3rd and wall the 4th again no?
mellow quartz
Also track the CD on nameplates and use SR when abt 3s left
Means you get more reflects
SR
tepid reef
yy i got one of every 4 slashes with reflect
mellow quartz
I reflect, wall, reflect, spell block, reflect, wall when SB is down
You can get 2 per 4
If you reflect early enough
deft mortar
I don't use SB kekw
mellow quartz
At the start
mellow quartz
I don't use SB kekw
Trolling
tepid reef
spell block op op
deft mortar
Just manage CDs ez
mellow quartz
Dot still hurts with SB but initial hit does nothing
deft mortar
Yooo I gotta do Ulduar to get the Stam trinkets for shits and giggles
Bet they won't drop
wraith olive
Does Ignore Pain work like Ironfur? Can you get away with spamming it when rage is overflowing?
lusty grotto
you use it at 70 rage
deft mortar
Ye always spam IP to avoid rage cap
lusty grotto
is not the same as ironfur
also you dont spam ironfur
youre not playing bear correctly if you spam ironfur outside of incarn
and even in incarn
rage starving yourself on both classes for no reason
the equivalent of ironfur for warrior is shield block, which is the most important mitigation
IP is a lot more similar with maul/raze more than anything as Mountain Thane
pallid quiver
also you dont spam ironfur
me spam maul, me mash humie thing
dusky canopy
wraith olive
youre not playing bear correctly if you spam ironfur outside of incarn
Okay. I've definitely been playing it wrong 😄 when I'm tanking a pack I sort of panic and feel like I need to spam as much armor as possible or else I will die. I hope this is something I just get used to (new at tanking)
lusty grotto
you can get 2-3 IF stacks
wraith olive
Things seem to happen very fast in dungeons
lusty grotto
and then stop and refresh
jesus christ steve
wait thats not steve
ok so
on prot you wanna keep SB up all the time
or as much as possible
so thats why its similar to iron fur (fel spikes, boneshield, SotR)
its our defacto Active Mit
and by far the most important one to keep up
the way you use IP, is as a rage dump
meaning when you hit 70 rage, you press it
do not spam it
but with proper play, you will press it constantly
vague abyss
ugh, when raidbots recommends the concotion kiss of death 😦
and i know why, i dont have a fu***ing egg yet
vague abyss
xD
urban portal
Kiss of death is great
vague abyss
i mean, probably because my only high trinkets are abyssal trap, ceaseless swarmgland, siphoning lightbrand and swarmlord authority xD
i kind of have a meat hook, but is a veteran one so it fell behind
what i dont get is why the shadow-binding knife is so high, the stat debuff doesnt proc that often?
lunar scarab
I'm a fury main but learning to tank in my spare time. How important is it to get another set of gear with more optimized secondary stats?
strong forum
not at all important
lusty grotto
not as important
strong forum
just get some haste
lunar scarab
thats good to hear, thank you. ok perfect I'll just grab a couple haste pieces on the side
neon elk
you dont have to censor fucking
But u have to censoe tyts , wtf xd
grizzled orbit
Guys, were do i find a pug friendly mdt route for all s1 tww dungeons? around +10s
jagged gust
what i dont get is why the shadow-binding knife is so high, the stat debuff does...
I think it's rppm? 5 people in my raid had it at one time and across a 7 minute fight we had varying uptime between 2.5 up to 14% across players
jagged gust
So sometimes great, sometimes bad but good on average
grizzled orbit
cool, i used some tactics and quaazii but they are meh
neon elk
Most of the time u can do 10s by just pressing W
jagged gust
honestly, as long as your group isn't inting you can time a 10 with small pulls
grizzled orbit
yeah i used some keystone shit routes, but thats to hard xD
lusty grotto
i dont think there's any shit routes for a 10
tribal wharf
kick spells, cd on cd, lust on boss and on cd is best advice you can give group
grizzled orbit
like in stonevault, pulling the whole corridor then 2 golems with side pack, it hurts
jagged gust
I was carrying a 560, 590 and 600 group through an 8 and we missed time by a single death doing nothing but solo pat pulls
Timers are very forgiving rn
tribal wharf
i still dont like mists
only doing it once
many reasons, short timer one of them
it is a good dungeon do not get me wrong, but its the type of thing i dont want to have to deal with often
jagged gust
arakara final boss
deft mortar
Mists is chillest easiest dung
tribal wharf
i dont like mists, never will fully like it
jagged gust
Usually get to the boss with a good several minutes on timer, then 50 deaths followed by me soloing the boss from 40%
deft mortar
U can literally leap out of Ara'kara final boss
Hell u can even just pop defensives and survice
tribal wharf
all u need is shockwave in the general direction of add
deft mortar
Usually get to the boss with a good several minutes on timer, then 50 deaths fol...
Ahh yeah I hate when dps have mechanics to do
SoB 1st boss...
Goddamn thing isn't even tanked
vocal sapphire
maybe this has been asked too many times but for mythic plus Do i want to run colossus or Mountain
deft mortar
maybe this has been asked too many times but for mythic plus Do i want to run co...
They'll say mountain
But it's colossus if u got balls
Frfrfr
frosty mango
arakara final boss
Just get 3 shamans, boss is ez then
jagged gust
Only issue I have with sob is on final boss, healers dispelling at the wrong time and nuking 3 dps simultaneously
what's the shaman strat?
deft mortar
Only issue I have with sob is on final boss, healers dispelling at the wrong tim...
Had a priest just not dispell, all of us perma had it kekw
frosty mango
If you have 3 dps stacked ever in sob they’re morons and deserve to die
frosty mango
what's the shaman strat?
Press poison cleanse totem if you can call that a strat
tribal wharf
i'll be a little bit honest, i think wow is fun when there is some drama to it
someone gets a stupid god damn 2 hand mace
and everyone wants it
loses there minds
deft mortar
Personal loot god sent
jagged gust
we had 2 sacbroods drop in 8s back to back last night, we lost our fucking shit
cosmic heron
Guys weapon upgrade can make us more tanky? cause a friend change his 606 weapon per a 636 and he felt WAY more tanky. it's just the flat stats? or some spells scale with weapon dmg? ty!
deft mortar
He's delusional
frosty mango
Guys weapon upgrade can make us more tanky? cause a friend change his 606 weapo...
It’s more stam, bout it
tribal wharf
imagine the drama if after a keystone you had to roll for gear
deft mortar
But overall 2 ilvl upgrade is solid
dusky canopy
You essentially do roll for gear
jagged gust
Guys weapon upgrade can make us more tanky? cause a friend change his 606 weapo...
leech scales with damage
dusky canopy
It’s just behind the scenes
frosty mango
imagine the drama if after a keystone you had to roll for gear
That’s how it already works
tribal wharf
i mean vs the party
tribal wharf
all 5 players can roll on it, if loot speced
deft mortar
I loot type gg and HS to dornogal
frosty mango
You get x pieces of loot and the game randomly decides who gets loot on your behalf
tribal wharf
well ninja no
but like, if you can equip the gear and you were in the party , you can roll on the gear
same as lfr
sharp gale
Like in raid in general no ?
tribal wharf
like for keys
jagged gust
a huntard and a loot ninja are like chaotic good and chaotic evil, same outcome, different perspective
tribal wharf
sac drops , everyone who can roll, is allowed 1 chance to roll or not
lusty grotto
no thanks
sharp gale
sac drops , everyone who can roll, is allowed 1 chance to roll or not
I’ll roll even if I have it
Just to sell it to others
lusty grotto
i had enough of that in vanilla and tbc
jagged gust
'member kicking people from the group for needing on a green? I 'member
waxen frigate
sac drops , everyone who can roll, is allowed 1 chance to roll or not
Bro I’m grabbing every sac I see I don’t care who it belongs to. My fingers are all over sacs
lusty grotto
still no recipe
jagged gust
Bro I’m grabbing every sac I see I don’t care who it belongs to. My fingers are ...
a true warrior doesn't limit themselves to what they can hold in their hands
Gotta be juggling those sacs, bro
waxen frigate
a true warrior doesn't limit themselves to what they can hold in their hands
True I put those sacs in my mouth too
tribal wharf
i know there for fact there is tons of guilds break up over some boots
asmon still mad about some classic gloves
sharp gale
Rcloot dramas exist
dusky canopy
I WILL
lusty grotto
MFer is hoarding sacs
tribal wharf
i have to assume spell block doesnt stop webs
im still on about threads ya, its an easy key to farm, might as well learn deep seated tech about it,
i assume it just does loads of spell blocked dmg to me and then i have to clear it anyways, you cant pre avatar it i learned
dusky canopy
stark helm
is colossus fun to play in m+ or just rage starved?
jagged gust
not in aoe
sharp gale
is colossus fun to play in m+ or just rage starved?
It is fun
tribal wharf
well, i gotta learn how to do these keys correctly
frosty mango
If you think running around frantically trying to gather adds is fun then yes it’s very fun
tribal wharf
there is a fuck load of strats and stupid things i have to know if i can or cant
timid pivot
I have sac, what's other trinket do I use with it: Spare Hook, Waning Candle, Foul Behemoth or Oppressive Larynx ?
jagged gust
bloodsurge is enough in trash pulls to keep you revenge spamming
frosty mango
I have sac, what's other trinket do I use with it: Spare Hook, Waning Candle, Fo...
Depends on scenario- for m+ I’d prob use larynx and for raid id prob use behemoth
jagged gust
sim for the right answer as always
timid pivot
Depends on scenario- for m+ I’d prob use larynx and for raid id prob use behemot...
sounds good thanks
frosty mango
You can sim it if dps is your goal
lusty grotto
these followers in follower dungeons are so fucking stupid
they really did a good job imitating pugs
sleek wagon
i did it
lusty grotto
youre pulling the entire first area in priory and the mfers are jumping around like idiots body pulling sides for no reason
they are so absolutely stupid its funny
tribal wharf
what about hammer vs shard
lusty grotto
this idiot in particular
sharp gale
this idiot in particular
Ofc he pulls, he plays a doggo
sharp gale
LOOK AT HIM
I need to see him casting barrage in Tol dagor
dusky canopy
Pretty cool actually,
just watched the video he made
graceful kite
Tried out colossus in raid
love/hate talent
reminds me of sl unfoly with big cool burst and after that you're sad with no resource
barren vale
Hey team just a question about tanking Queen on heroic. I'm having an issue i cant seem to figure out. During the knock up phase...Im taking around 14m dmg from Queen melee while in the air. I do not have agro--I do have the Liquefy
-it happen 6 or so times last night- I know I'm missing something but i don't know what it is. i also could just be slow-
golden rover
You use bis tier list for trinkets or just sim in raid bots for max dps?
lusty grotto
both
barren vale
middle of the outer ring
nocturne spindle
thats the only way i could imagine some queen melee would get you
lusty grotto
do you have logs
barren vale
yes
nocturne spindle
&
lusty grotto
link
golden rover
i have ara kara trinket at the same itlvl than the others but the raid bots never say me to use it -.-
lusty grotto
how are you simming, link the sim
nocturne spindle
oh
are you talking about the green bubble pop?
i thought you meant the transition to phase 2
lusty grotto
i thought so as well
lusty grotto
are they not talking about that?
nocturne spindle
he said he has liquify
golden rover
how are you simming, link the sim
nocturne spindle
i dont think it last that long
lusty grotto
do you mean the nipple pops as "knock up"?
nocturne spindle
i mean your just getting agro then
lusty grotto
yeah
barren vale
they told me to push less buttons
nocturne spindle
die
its like right there
nothing weird happening so
just gotta make your other tank do more threat
golden rover
no, link the sim results
u mean that?¿
grim bobcat
What did you guys craft with gilded crest ? I have 616 1h 623 shield both heros. I head about the 2h trick but then i need to get myth track in vault anyway
lusty grotto
u mean that?¿
copy paste the link at the top of the result
lusty grotto
i have that issue alot seems like im always pulling agro
you didnt have an issue with agro pulls there
oh
theres one yea
but its weird because you guys didnt out damage each other
golden rover
copy paste the link at the top of the result
i dont know if its the right way to sim a tank
pastel remnant
for raid..should i go haste/vers or haste/crit is good to ? i mean for defense..dont really care about dps..just want to be more tanky for now
lusty grotto
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ooTgPiwwpWyqGSm8RnhDtP
change it to 5 target patchwerk
for 1 min or 1.5 min
golden rover
change it to 5 target patchwerk
oh i dont know that, ty!
barren vale
also....maybe the other tank moving to the nipple it out of range so i get it by default?
vague abyss
anyone have a weakauras for the trinket "Concotion of Kiss of Death"?
barren vale
then bang
lusty grotto
cause you guys didnt outdamage each other
that shouldn't have been a threat pull
no taunts at :37
no bops
no melds
similar dps
it has to be something janky with the knock ups
are you leaping down from the knock or something?
just curious
barren vale
nah i tried that and went to far and ate a ring so i stopped
simple drum
Question: What key seems appropriate to pug + tank as Prot Warr at ilvl 614?
jagged gust
that depends on your own skill level for that particular dungeon
lusty grotto
oh weird i cant see player positions in the replay
barren vale
yea the replay is janky
lusty grotto
ok well let me ask you this
is his circle getting popped first for any reason?
maybe his is closer or something idk
jagged gust
Like can you knock out a 10 at 614? Yes. Can you knock out a 10, though?
simple drum
that depends on your own skill level for that particular dungeon
So I can run 14’s?
barren vale
could be yes...should be but we are haivng issue with people doing it....and mine would be close as the inside ring...they have the outerring slightly behding the boss
lusty grotto
ok
just a tip
put both circles next to her
one in, one out of the arena
and pop at the same time
that makes sure your melee has uptime on the boss, not that dps matters in that phase anyway but still
barren vale
lusty grotto
either way, im inclined to believe there's something weird going with the knock itself
barren vale
word tyvm ill keep working on positioning at least i got a direction to work on
grim bobcat
Question: What key seems appropriate to pug + tank as Prot Warr at ilvl 614?
did 2 +10 at that ilvl in PUG so its definetly doable, tbh it depends heavily on your group but you shouldnt die
urban bane
It is semi-fixed, like how afflicted and such were. a minimum time of about 1min30sec which has to go by. There are WAs to track
I can’t remember the exact minimum but something like that. Time only proceeds while in combat
graceful kite
not great not terrible I guess for first time colossus
urban bane
u only proceed while in combat
placid raft
Anyway i started blasting
rocky crest
Anyone finding colossus better than than in +m ?
rocky crest
I've been seeing a trend going that way atm
lusty grotto
you're thane, revenge should be your last priority
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
placid raft
In a high key i don`t have rage for revenge xD
lusty grotto
thats not proper play
SS=TB > TC > Rev/Exe
you only revenge when you dont have TC or SS up
you burn rage with IP
youre doing less damage overall
by revenging
youre not burning rage fast enough
so avatars will reset slower
placid raft
I spamm a lot of IP
But yeah i should try using revenge less
I`m gonna tank an 8 right now so i will update soon
sweet summit
holy moly i'm owning
marble night
SS=TB > TC > Rev/Exe
Is this the same in aoe? SS over TC?
marble night
Oh wow it takes 8 targets
lusty grotto
natty TC, because TB takes prio every time at 2+ targets
marble night
Yeah I’m talking bout natty TC
Damn such a bait to press it before SS in aoe. Is it just because SS=SB uptime?
drifting dagger
What about 1st boss of MOT, when the chains break and u gotta blast I’ve been spamming revenge when SS/TC on cooldown should I burn my rage with IP like normal? I was just trying to max damage on him
smoky anvil
holy moly i'm owning
grim bobcat
Am i crazy or when playing tauren the mobs go through you when you move with them?
lusty grotto
What about 1st boss of MOT, when the chains break and u gotta blast I’ve been sp...
yes
because using IP means your next GCD will be SS or TC
do you get what im saying
drifting dagger
Ok I’ll go back to my standard IP rotation
void wadi
why is flask of alchemical chaos better than normal haste flask?
drifting dagger
Yep
lusty grotto
youre burning a gcd on revenge which doesnt do much
as thane
while you can use that same gcd on an SS or TC/TB
and burn rage at the same time
due to IP being off-gcd
revenge does no damage
as thane
drifting dagger
I’m still ok to revenge to fish for a SS/TC proc if both are on cd and I have nothing to press below 70 rage tho right?
lusty grotto
of course
drifting dagger
Ok just making sure
sweet summit
equal or less than
lusty grotto
greater than or equal
sweet summit
wait
wet bone
greater than or equal to everywhere
shell fox
god damn. i got jebaited.
wet bone
lol
sweet summit
i have the stupid
shell fox
☠️
wet bone
H Queen pugs are the damn worst
tight storm
did swarmlords get better? i noticed a few of the top pwarr's are running it in m+
wet bone
I love the shit outta haste and crit
lusty grotto
alchemical
lusty grotto
because chaos sims better
lusty grotto
and also alchemical chaos is generally cheaper
shell fox
w neck
lusty grotto
🤷 i have 4% versa
wet bone
I have 4 as well lol
lusty grotto
doesnt make a difference
shell fox
no neck
wet bone
no, I have 6
shell fox
i guess i'll put more crit then
shell fox
doesnt make a difference
how high keys are you timing
wet bone
29 percent crit/36 percent haste in game right now
terse hollow
So im about to hit my first 90 gilded, i have crafted shield and wrists with embelish and a 619 weapon. which should get bumped up first?
dusky canopy
29 percent crit/36 percent haste in game right now
Ah bummer can’t play the game without 37% haste
wet bone
shield or weapon
terse hollow
shield or weapon
i was thinking shield but was torn between that and weapon
i feel like i just want to be tankier though so shield is probably right
dusky canopy
Shield
valid bridge
If I've got a 619 weapon and shield already, which makes more sense to craft 636 first, the weapon or shield?
(I only have enough crests for one or the other currently)
smoky anvil
Shield
Shield is love, shield is life. Girthy shield to protect you, broad shield to defend it.
proud dock
does the SB from Bolster stack on an already active SB duration?
as in, use SB before Bolster or after? asking if its similar to Shield Charge
lusty grotto
does the SB from Bolster stack on an already active SB duration?
yes and it ignores the duration cap
proud dock
yes and it ignores the duration cap
ty
molten gorge
how high keys are you timing
I have 4 or 5% also and am timing 11s (tried one 12 pre nerf and felt fine, didn't die)
shrewd shadow
hey guys, new to prot warrior, is there some pieces that i should craft ?
foggy ingot
We got there gamers
high wyvern
How much haste do yall have
molten gorge
Grats, time to get all the portals next 😎
high wyvern
I have 25% and feels like a turtle
wary sierra
molten gorge
35% unbuffed rn, feels nice, especially with ITF
wary sierra
But could trade versa for haste as pot
high wyvern
How yall reaching 35% haste holy
molten gorge
Idk, I'm 626 tbf, probably why
wary sierra
Not crazy useful stats aye, although im not sure shoulders are that much better are they ? (completely havent looked)
hoary pivot
seems to be the worst tier set slot we have
I thought shoulders were the worst
graceful kite
I managed to not kite in 2 10s in a row I did it but it was close in the first
Tho I think I fumbled with cds and just overlapped wall with spell block
placid raft
Better now?
graceful kite
Qusestion is is there a way to make people not interrupt atlest the first cast of mists 1st boss
I now just type in chat please dont interrupt let me reflect but it works maybe once in 5 runs
lusty grotto
unfortunately it has always been that way with pugs
jagged gust
and groups
sweet summit
even on voice they kick mine!!!
potent tree
How yall reaching 35% haste holy
Idk I have exactly 35% and I am only 619
broken light
unfortunately it has always been that way with pugs
nim, is colossus equal to thane now?
night oracle
and does mass taunt count
broken light
strictly m+ speaking
lusty grotto
nim, is colossus equal to thane now?
for dps? they are really close to each other
broken light
for dps? they are really close to each other
in every aspect
lusty grotto
no
night oracle
what about rage gen
lusty grotto
colossus is still slightly weaker defensively
jagged gust
https://gyazo.com/8d69da717653c29bd0bd500058961ac2
I admire the effort of screenshotting, editing, uploading and linking a picture of a trinket
night oracle
yeah same function wise isnt it
lusty grotto
or just link it from wowhead
night oracle
i mean whats the point tho
lusty grotto
it was just a comment from him
golden sedge
is it worth making 636 jewelery or only armor pieces?
jagged gust
It's just a tad funny
night oracle
right back at ya
night oracle
real productive
lusty grotto
someone pissed on this guy's cheerios hoooly
wary sierra
And shit on his toilet seat at the same time
night oracle
LUL
OMFG
and editing and uploading part isnt even done by me , just for your interest ...
wary sierra
night oracle
u people i swear
wary sierra
night oracle
grow up
wary sierra
xD
lusty grotto
👍
placid raft
Better now? @lusty grotto
patent musk
is rashanan bugged? he seems to be taking more damage from physical?
lusty grotto
he wasnt on tuesday and wednesday
how are you determining this?
any mystic touch shenanigans maybe?
lyric pebble
Is Sureki Zealot's Insignia a good neck or just mid? Something with crit is just better?
lyric pebble
Came in my Vault but I could also use the Heroic helm and weapon that came
round pendant
my health pingpongs like fuck on dawnbreaker trash packs (before the town) is this normal
round pendant
I use shield wall and then spell block, pack's not dead and I start getting pounded
lyric pebble
Ok. Thanks for the help
lusty grotto
the danger mobs there are the webmage and the commander
pretty much
commander bleeds, web mage just nukes the shit out of you which is manageable with spell block and reflect
round pendant
bro the fuckin web bolts
strong forum
my health pingpongs like fuck on dawnbreaker trash packs (before the town) is th...
umbral rush
lusty grotto
there's not a lot of umbral rushes on the ships though
or maybe im forgetting something
strong forum
the bleeds on the commanders do fuck
turbid shuttle
on the webmage+commander pack, you need only 1 ranged kick for the commander. everyone else should rotate on the webmage. for the webmage+shadowmage pack, you need a couple kicks for the shadowmage, then the rest can do web bolts.
round pendant
yeah at the end of my DB (which we didn't time because someone wiped us on 2nd boss and then my friends mouse died on final boss) I had 30 kicks while everyone else had <8
which probably helped make it feel brutal
boomie used aoe kick a single time in the entire dungeon (and did 600k overall)
lusty grotto
oof
round pendant
DB not GB
lusty grotto
oh
toxic pewter
if i saw a dude doin 600k i would of just called it after 2nd boss wipe
lusty grotto
yeah i mean you can just facetank webmages with spell block just fine (and those should cover umbral rushes) but
round pendant
tbh I wasn't looking at the meters and we could have still timed it if not for my friends mouse kicking the bucket
lusty grotto
you will need some kicks haha
graceful kite
Before town there are dudes with bleed
sweet summit
casts on tank isn't really that bad, it's bad if your group gets fucked
graceful kite
Others should be fine
graceful kite
Id like to but it costs 55 euro
lusty grotto
good lord
lusty grotto
i doubt blizzard would want to miss out on the sweet cash from race changes
toxic pewter
is it fully automated you think
race changes, even server changes
it must be surely theres not a team doing manual changes and crap right
lusty grotto
but it has probably been that way since they became a thing
toxic pewter
ya
lusty grotto
not hard to do
austere oracle
hello, new to prot warr here, how much haste should I have to start picking into the fray in m+?
lusty grotto
ideally you want 35 to 40% unbuffed
austere oracle
I see, thanks!
tepid nest
why doesnt this remove bleeds man, criminal
toxic pewter
It did in the dragonflight beta then blizz removed that functionality. it removed magic also
dire crescent
Guys i Got a question. The guides and reguler build says spear But yoda is using Roar Why?
tired vessel
maybe he likes dragons
placid raft
Well i just tanked my first 9 (i mean, first 9 i tanked)
These adds in stonevault are insane
wicked pollen
which side
graceful kite
Which ones
placid raft
Skarmorak side, the big void golems
the ones with unavoidable damage
and big tank hit
graceful kite
Umm
graceful kite
I cant remember them doing anything
wicked pollen
yeah me either
graceful kite
Like literally anything
placid raft
There`s one when you open the door
wicked pollen
im just afk
graceful kite
Theres a silencing cast that makes casters sad but thats all
turbid shuttle
will almost 1-shot you in higher key
wicked pollen
0 fucking clue
turbid shuttle
cooldown is slightly too fast to reflect all of them
unless you run out for ~3-5 seconds to delay the hit
the key points on those packs are:
- reflect every other shadow claw; shield wall or spell block or (whatever) the ones you can't
- kick or otherwise stop every piercing wail (especially if it's during the despoiler's channel damage, violent outburst or something - this is a wipe condition)
- if you can, try to watch for censoring gears on your healer and stop it
jagged gust
you really hit him hard Will
umbral sierra
are there any reflectable spells where honed reflexes lets you reflect every cast but without it you can't?
wicked pollen
<:keks:936231610850897992>
leak dms
jagged gust
It's really unfortunate how much access we have to CDR on kick but we don't take any of it
turbid shuttle
cot last boss 22s minimum in my logs, so should be fine without honed reflexes (it's 20s right?)
I can't do every lava fist (with honed) unless I pre-cast by a few seconds. log has it at 16s.
jagged gust
leak dms
Ive had enough brainrot from doomscrolling tiktok today to open that manifesto
wicked pollen
turbid shuttle
shadowflame slash in grim batol you probably get an extra reflect here or there because there's 2 (or 4 depending on how you pull)
lusty grotto
<:keks:936231610850897992>
holy
tribal wharf
found some video of a boomer complaining about keys lol
graceful kite
One azeroth tv?
jagged gust
git gud is such an all encompassing term, it's truly wonderful
tribal wharf
i sort of wish they had a like, talking head only brann, for dungeons, if you chose to opt into it like it is in delves
dont stand in that, kill this, loot that
jagged gust
imagine the overlap when you pull multiple casters in a pack
tribal wharf
if you want to learn, you can learn with brann, also brann for waze, or anduin for alliance players
jagged gust
you'd be hearing brann in your dreams after a few hours
tribal wharf
well, it should only trigger every so many seconds, and for whatever does the most damage per second, like fire pool
graceful kite
Bad video
tribal wharf
i agree bad video, but its a hot take
graceful kite
Just nagging about random stuff
tribal wharf
parts of he is right
not all of it, lots of it is complain, yes
i still think it comes back to the visual problems i mention in stone vault
2 visual problems, perfect examples that can be fixed by making the sprite size larger where it spawns, for the anvil for the buff, and for the smoke on the vent right after
cuz i ran that place like, 10+ times as key, before i learned either even existed
i think there has to be a glossary, is the biggest thing, like for fear, often fear is a large purple swirly on the ground,
all it has to do is list the types of possible fear types you can be hit with, and an example fear circle.
the , increasing the size of the smoke/sparkles, on the anvil/vent doesnt have to be a high quality the texture thats being used for that
if its a performance deal
jagged gust
that vent do be catching me off guard from time to time
tribal wharf
that more smoke + it cleans it self, or, it has a chance to do 2 vents instead of just 1
i think is the fix on that fight
sweet summit
you need to drop below 80%
warm plinth
cuz i have 2 rn and they dont seem to stack
Small bug; you have to drop below 80 and then go back up and then it'll work
sweet summit
then new buff should stack
tardy abyss
Played a CoT 11 +2 pog
high wyvern
holy moly that spell reflection damage! does anyone know which spell he reflect in grim batol to give him that much damage
graceful kite
holy moly that spell reflection damage! does anyone know which spell he reflect ...
Shadowflame slash
scarlet stone
Molten fist.
graceful kite
And earth bolts in the first part obv
graceful kite
Molten fist.
Its not reflectable
lusty grotto
its deflectable
graceful kite
Yep
lusty grotto
correct
scarlet stone
:pepehands:
tardy abyss
lol
graceful kite
Its good it was removed
scarlet stone
I miss reflecting first boss Maw of Souls.
graceful kite
Would bring many more nerfing eyes to us
high wyvern
does blizzard balance prot warrior around spell reflect damage?
warm plinth
No
graceful kite
I miss reflecting first boss Maw of Souls.
Reflecting halls of infusion last boss was straight up cheating
scarlet stone
I still laugh when people insist on bear over war. Playing both it just doesn’t even feel equal. Sucks that bear is basically the only way to get verse buff.
tardy abyss
Which mobs do the shadowflame slash again
warm plinth
Nah there is one spell reflect that stands above the rest, and I can't wait for it to come back.
lusty grotto
😄
warm plinth
Chaotic Energies on last boss of Cathedral
warm plinth
I love Cathedral
warm plinth
It's my favorite dungeon ever
graceful kite
I just remembered this sludge
warm plinth
Just wait, we'll have Seat back some day
graceful kite
Horrible boring shit tree boss
graceful kite
Just wait, we'll have Seat back some day
I remember they so much didnt give a fuck that it had a bug
scarlet stone
I still laugh when people insist on bear over war. Playing both it just doesn’t ...
I just can’t get over having 100% uptime on avatar vs barely any CDR for incarn.
graceful kite
That world quest spawned in m+
And just changed trash and added minibosses
Some portal shit with huge void blobs
scarlet stone
Lol
graceful kite
You reminded me of cathedral and seat
Im not sure i can sleep after that im actually angry now
lusty grotto
lmao
graceful kite
Such shit layout shit fights shit tuning
Tuning patches with 90% damage nerfs
And inside a patch where they bricked half of aoe abilities
shell fox
is colossus good for m+ prot warr now?
unkempt trout
fury gen definitely feels worse now
deft mortar
molten fist does no damage back
It should idc
toxic pewter
it did until it didnt
valid sleet
Hi friends. I'm looking at my logs and Details, but I can't find a way to see who and how many times someone was dispelling the affix
Anyone know a way to see that info?
turbid shuttle
Hi friends. I'm looking at my logs and Details, but I can't find a way to see wh...
oh... that's not counting it
maybe logs only then
valid sleet
Yeha I'm looking at the dispells section of the log, it's the only ability not there
lusty grotto
yeah it doesnt show up on logs
could be a hidden aura
and intended
so that people dont harass others for not dispelling
hybrid canyon
ive got a question how often are yall going in and out of battle/def stance in m+.
lusty grotto
mostly in dstance nowadays, but you can swap to battle if you dont forsee huge damage
entirely up to you
valid sleet
so that people dont harass others for not dispelling
Ahhh, yeah I could see that being the case
lusty grotto
you can perma dstance if you want
lusty grotto
Ahhh, yeah I could see that being the case
i could be wrong though
but from the logs ive seen its not anywhere
the debuff doesnt show up either
sick sentinel
Is losing Secondaries and Stam worth it on that Nerubian Anti Magic Shield you can get?
sick sentinel
Too long of a CD to be useful I take it.
amber pelican
new to tanking, how important is it to swap between stances as prot?
round cliff
the more i try to play blood the less i vibe with it
fighting for my life just to spend my resources feels 2 hectic
urban portal
new to tanking, how important is it to swap between stances as prot?
It’s min maxing 3% damage
Not necessary at all
urban portal
I usually just tell people it’s 3% damage
Because if you say 3% crit then people ask “how much damage is that”
onyx vessel
Probably like less then 1%
urban portal
Nah
onyx vessel
Dont need damage just pull bigger while in dstance
left beacon
I gotta get better at using spell block. Are there any dungeons where people don't use it, or is it the play for most every one?
cinder nova
Am I crazy or is Second Wind useless?
urban portal
It’s an open world talent
cinder nova
I rarely see it appear in fight logs and my keys it's barely there at all.
onyx vessel
Not your job to heal you in keys
cinder nova
Yeah, VV
onyx vessel
cinder nova
Which is basically making IP worse
I wish they'd make it interact with IV
At least then it'd be kinda cool
onyx vessel
Nah it's very likely you have something ticking on you going into next pack you gonna maybe get 1 heal from it every few packs
urban portal
There are plenty of nice things to take in the class tree
onyx vessel
Delves it's good if you solo
urban portal
Ye
onyx vessel
Oh no I'm low afk
queen hemlock
hey sorry, what priority of execute phase for colossus?
onyx vessel
Open world just play fury or arms
queen hemlock
for ST and i want to cast as many execute as possible
urban portal
Your regular rotation
unique wyvern
I gotta get better at using spell block. Are there any dungeons where people do...
Really strong for bosses unavoidable AOE's. Take the first DB boss for example, in a +10 the obsidian bean first tick shreds my 80% of my health if I'm not using any DR. With spell block up my health bar doesn't even move.
tawdry herald
what would you guys drop for BSV? bloodsurge seems pretty good for rage gen so that has a ton of DR value.
zealous goblet
what would you guys drop for BSV? bloodsurge seems pretty good for rage gen so t...
drop disrupting
if you want disrupting you drop bloodsurge
tawdry herald
fair
deft mortar
what would you guys drop for BSV? bloodsurge seems pretty good for rage gen so t...
I cannot believe you don't have shield charge
deft mortar
and champs bulwark
zealous goblet
it is nice for smoother rage though
ive got so many times where it ticks and gives me a revenge
lusty grotto
i havent played bloodsurge since s1 of DF
zealous goblet
thats me being shit though
deft mortar
champs bulwark gives you free 17.78% Shield Block uptime
lusty grotto
i dont notice it, nor need it
deft mortar
On top of free 0.5 rage per second
tawdry herald
i have zero issues with shield block uptime so im not sure why id take it just for that
zealous goblet
shield charge is worse than ravager when you're thinking of picking up bsv
deft mortar
Because it's insanely good lol
lusty grotto
i have zero issues with shield block uptime so im not sure why id take it just f...
you have bolster to cover for it, youre fine
deft mortar
Also its good for instant aggro
tawdry herald
you say that but i distinctly remember multiple conversations where its recommended to drop shield charge first to pick up utility before anything else
lusty grotto
just drop bloodsurge for bsv, and/or disrupting
zealous goblet
aye, shield charge isn't shit, it's jsut that ravager is so much better
so you keep rav
tawdry herald
bloodsurge it is then, ty
zealous goblet
its so much fucking damage
lusty grotto
zealous goblet
say, someone was handing out this spreadsheet earlier, i forgot where or why
it shows double mastery trinkets as like, insanely good for dps
was that meant for prot warriors?
deft mortar
the stun the free revenge the free SB the instant aggro y'all mad
lusty grotto
why would a spreadsheet matter
zealous goblet
iunno
lusty grotto
if sims say otherwise
deft mortar
SC generated as much rage as Bloodusrge for me in my Boralus 11
1.2k bloodsurge vs 1.1k SC
zealous goblet
the stun the free revenge the free SB the instant aggro y'all mad
bro if u wanna run shield charge go for it you can play if it feels better, no one forcing you, it's just maths out to be better to take ravager
tawdry herald
i get so many slam resets im almost never pressing revenge, shield block is up 100% of the time anyways, ive played 5 expacs with no shield charge so i just honestly am not worried about not having it
zealous goblet
unless you have logs saying otherwise
deft mortar
bro if u wanna run shield charge go for it you can play if it feels better, no o...
I also got ravager duh
lusty grotto
youre talking to a guy that was blocked sometime, and i dont block a lot of people
he must be a huge idiot
round cliff
i wanna get blocked..
lusty grotto
nah youre fine fruiter
zealous goblet
oh ye good point
lusty grotto
lol
deft mortar
he is one
tawdry herald
yoda takes BSV so i dont think its necessarily a bad choice, but im not pushing 15s so idk
deft mortar
condeescending mf out there running spreadsheets on a 20 year old game and calling ppl an idiot
pallid quiver
ppl still take bsv in 2024
sense took BSV once in one of his recent M+ runs, though it's because he was making sure he wouldn't die at all so they could just casually time the key from what I could tell from comms
zealous goblet
tawdry herald
the cheat seems useful
zealous goblet
pallid quiver
he also hasn't had it for other recent runs either, though
warm plinth
It's not a cheat
tawdry herald
its 80% DR for 8 seconds
lusty grotto
ye its not a cheat
tawdry herald
if thats not a cheat what is
pallid quiver
Cheat makes is so you cheat dying
lusty grotto
but youre fine speccing into it that way
tawdry herald
ok well other classes dont have wall but we still tell them to wall
warm plinth
pallid quiver
Wall is a DR
lusty grotto
nah its not
warm plinth
what
pallid quiver
Survival Instincts is a DR
warm plinth
A high DR and a high DR being called the same thing makes sense
lusty grotto
we call interrupt kicks
warm plinth
A high DR and a cheat death being called the same thing does not
tawdry herald
you say "brother fucking wall"
tawdry herald
A high DR and a cheat death being called the same thing does not
CloS was technically a 99% DR for 10 years, but was considered an immunity
liek i said im not splitting hairs
warm plinth
Cloak of Shadows is not a cheat death either
pallid quiver
but you call it wall in comms
sir you are either maliciously intentionally missing the point, are missing the point, or very dumb
To repeat,
Survival Instincts is a DR, as it makes you take less damage.
Shield Wall is a DR, as it makes you take less damage.
Purgatory is a cheat, since if you would die, you don't
BSV does not make not die if you would have died. You will die.
Rather, it works like Will of the Necropolis. This matters for what you can use BSV for, since you can't cheat mechanics with it unless it just won't kill you through the DR
That is why things like Survival Instincts is a Wall, because it serves the same literal function as pressing shield wall
You can't literally die with BSV to cheat a mechanic with it. Does it make it hard to die? Yes, just like will of the necropolis
tawdry herald
this is the most autistic conversation i think ive ever taken part of
zealous goblet
pfft
tawdry herald
literally shut the fuck up
im going to continue calling them wall and cheat
you're an idiot
zealous goblet
literally shut the fuck up
well thats just mean and unnecessary
pallid quiver
Sir, there's no need to throw a temper tantrum, not that I care anymore.
inner wren
round cliff
i wish balance didnt exist so i could play druid
pallid quiver
do you mean balance as in game balance, or did you stutter when trying to say oomkin?
round cliff
yea oomkin
pallid quiver
Oomkins aren't legally given rights, so I can understand
lusty grotto
just play it 🙂
round cliff
like i wanna play guardian and feral, but being in such close proximity to boomkin is upsetting
hate wizards
pallid quiver
Based mindset
Just remember to double down on your "Us and Them" mentality, and you can get by
Just wake up, every day,
Reminding yourself they're not "b"oomkins
They're oomkins
Don't fall for their propaganda
round cliff
am i allowed to discriminate if im playing the same class 🤔
quasi pivot
pallid quiver
am i allowed to discriminate if im playing the same class 🤔
Yes
Bears are good culture, Cats are good culture, Heals are good culture,
Oomkins are bad culture.
pallid quiver
They are what happens when you don't bathe for seven days and seven nights, only to then proceed to slather yourself in the wretched remains of the first creature you see that has left this mortal coil
lusty grotto
that sounds like a thursday for me
pallid quiver
how do you fit seven days and seven nights into one thursday
i could use that power
warm plinth
I have nothing against moonkins as a creature
But there is not a single more boring spec in this game
And I'll never not be salty about it, because I would love to be a moonkin
pallid quiver
I was told to be biased against oomkins at one point early in my wow career, so I've just rolled with it since
round cliff
I was told to be biased against oomkins at one point early in my wow career, so ...
this was me except w/ alliance and horde and now when i say i dont play alliance races ppl call me a boomer
pallid quiver
I don't even know why; the only thing I remember hearing was they run out of mana, hence oomkin
It's not like any of my other biases where I have reasons
It's just kinda funny to hate on oomkins at this point
lusty grotto
boomies just need to be a little bit more tankier than what the hero trees gave them and they'll be fine
pallid quiver
no they should be squishier
In fact, they should have a passive that makes them take 50% more damage from Execute
round cliff
part of the reason im hesitant to play druid is cuz feral tends to just be bad for 3 expacs in a row
dont wanna b stuck w that
pallid quiver
Feral is also weird to play, especially since there's also a ranged DPS spec right there
And generally, ranged is better than melee since they have more freedom on positioning
lusty grotto
ive seen some ferals pumping
pallid quiver
But currently, Feral's in a decent spot iirc
Last I had actually checked, it was definitely better than oomkin, at least, but that was also before their buffs
round cliff
im afraid of dot classes tho, never played feral and dont like affliction