protection

[lofty glen]

then easy 626 😄

[unkempt hazel]

just follow any link in #protection-faq

for guides

[lofty glen]

okay thx 😄

[unkempt hazel]

go get them champ

[sharp gale]

I don’t know, I crafted 1h / shield 636, I was able to free upgrade to 636 the 2 hand I took in this week’s vault

[unkempt hazel]

thats how it works yeah

[maiden nimbus]

In Ara-Kara what is the best way to handle this pack - specifically around avoiding the encasing webs the overseers cast?

On other Overseer packs, I can leap out of the webs when slowed...But on this pack it feels like RNG because I can leap out of the first cast, but don't have it if there is another right after. The Grasping Slash slow is sometimes stacked so high there is no shot I can run out of the webs. Is there a way I am supposed to handle this?

[sharp gale]

Im gnome so i can racial then leap, so I don’t have this issue

Maybe dwarf can too

You need 2 « ways » of getting out with 90% slow on you

Leap is 1

[thorny stone]

Leap, avatar, intervene...

[sharp gale]

So you need to find another one or yes use avatar to free you

[maiden nimbus]

AHh yeah I am a human...i sometimes can intervene but sometimes the groups positioning relative to me still leaves me in a web.

[faint maple]

Did berserk work for it?

[maiden nimbus]

Forgot about Avatar, guess I should make sure I have for that pack

[sharp gale]

I don’t like to intervene since it rely on group / and purple puddles

[maiden nimbus]

Probably not, I don't spec into berserker shout, but dont think it is considered a fear/incap

[maiden nimbus]

found that out the hard way yesterday lol, had to tank the hit with shield wall up when I saw it coming, not ideal

[lofty glen]

m+ demolish or thane?

[sharp gale]

The first time I did the pull I leaped into a puddle, it was scary

[faint maple]

Not fear 100%, but incap mb? I had died last week on that pack, but didn’t tried berserk. Haven’t avatar for second casts

[acoustic dew]

How big were the nerfs this week?

[sharp gale]

Which one ?

[acoustic dew]

Rage generation ones

Overall cor M+

For*

[old heron]

You def feel the nerf, but its nothing too major

[sharp gale]

Didn’t notice any changes, but I only did maybe 4 keys total this week to fill the vault

[twilit lagoon]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

Hi could anyone help with the spell reflect WA please? how can i turn on a sound when it calls spell reflect? 😄

[sharp gale]

GESPEICHERT

I opened the wa saw it’s 50+ small WAs, I didn’t bother to add a sound

[twilit lagoon]

and for me it already says "THis aura plays a sound via a condition". but it doesnt 😄

[twilit lagoon]

THATS what i was looking for! thanks 😄

[sharp gale]

Yes basically it has a sound by default but none is selected

[reef hazel]

At the double forgeloader in stonevault, its better to skip them and go right - right? Just had a pug insist we do double forgeloaders then the pack left with the single forgeloader

[sharp gale]

I don’t do neither the double or the pack left

[reef hazel]

Yea right? I've never done that route before, always gone right, got the vers buf, through the middle then walked back

[sharp gale]

I go take the vers buff

[reef hazel]

Double forge almost merked us too

[sharp gale]

And come back depends if you got a shroud/soothe or if you like to run

[leaden grail]

is there like an objectively better choice between fueled by violence and brutal vitality?

[wicked pollen]

thats the wrong pussy build but popoff

[wicked pollen]

no they are negligble

one scales with target count and other is wtv

[leaden grail]

dont they both? 10% of the damage I deal -> more damage in aoe, 110% of bleed = more bleed in aoe

[waxen orbit]

How?

[waxen orbit]

What level key is that even for

That seems awful

You’re right

That’s the penultimate one

[molten gorge]

I don't care how much people say taking bolster and ravager is better

Not having shield charge with the capstone

Feels too wrong

Even if it's right

[sharp gale]

It’s not, they say ravager gives more rage than shield charge but it doesn’t

[wicked pollen]

xd

[molten gorge]

For me it's just the value of shield charging into a pack tbh

[sharp gale]

And bolster is a « idk why » for me

[molten gorge]

For the block

That's why I think

Covers gaps lost by not having SC

[vale karma]

is there a way to check shield block uptime in combat only?

[molten gorge]

Logs

Hover over your hits on dmg taken

[vale karma]

thanks

[molten gorge]

The problem with this for me, is that then you lose Last Stand as an "oh shit" button

Cause you need it for shield block

[sharp gale]

I think even without SC, you can maintain SB if you don’t play ITF, that’s why I’m wondering why taking bolster

[molten gorge]

Hmm maybe, I think I was at 95ish with the standard build (HR + SC)

And now with enough haste I'm at 95 with ITF + SC

But maybe, I've never done the maths

And haven't tried playing without SC yet

[sharp gale]

And with only HR and shit ton of haste since it’s a « pussy » build ?

[eager phoenix]

hr is goat

[sharp gale]

I meant still taking HR when you have 35%+ haste, i know HR is goat

[molten gorge]

I haven't tried HR with high haste tbh

But I've only played the BSV build in 12s and tbh, with the nerf, probably won't play it again

[vale karma]

any tips for the trash before last boss in SV? 😦 Bricked my 10 cause of it

do you pull the last 2 packs out of the room ?

[eager phoenix]

play safe big io, just do the packs 1 by 1 and los pull out the room like 2005 stratholme

[molten gorge]

You just won't clear in time doing this tho

Not rn at least

Oh wait

Sorry I thought this was in reply to the build chat

[lofty glen]

When do we use ravager? On cd in packs?

[molten gorge]

Last 2 packs together is scary for sure, just do 1 at a time like Cruise said, or do 1 pack with the last entrance to boss group and then 1 on its own

[sharp gale]

I Will try Gio’s bsv build just for science but without bolster, where should I spend the last point given he really wants ravager ?

[eager phoenix]

the assumption is ofc timer is good so no point pulling dubble. but im pretty sure your average 10 pug wont have the brain cells to handle quad stoneshapers spitting out totems

[vale karma]

Shield charge?

[shy python]

Can please anyone test of Second Wind can heal the M+ heal absorb debuff?

[molten gorge]

Pointless without capstone

[sharp gale]

Yes that’s why I’m wondering

[lofty glen]

Only bitter imunity

[sharp gale]

What to take instead

[quartz meteor]

the aoe taunt interrupt one

[molten gorge]

Hmmmm

[molten gorge]

Ya this maybe

[sweet summit]

disrupting shout/bolster/sc

[shy python]

And Victory Rush.

[vale karma]

I wish they would buff the ravager capstones tho, never see anyone take it

[sweet summit]

ravager has capstones?

[shy python]

And our buffs say that our Second Wind Aura is always up

[sharp gale]

I’m taking into account I think I have 100% SB with this as it is on my current character

[eager phoenix]

bolster if you want a cd, aoe silence if you want another stop or just show of force/best served cold if you want dmg

[vale karma]

apparently not )) only weird buttons to delete 1 point

[molten gorge]

I'd test that first tbh, go dummy maybe and see

[sharp gale]

Nah i have tank privilege I’ll try in a stranger’s key

[molten gorge]

Hahahhahahaha

Fair play King, I respect it

[wicked pollen]

only sane thing ive seen you type

grief some guys key

like a real man

[molten gorge]

Take the interrupt then ig

Imo

Or take Rav cap for memes

Idek what it does

[wicked pollen]

interrupt is cosmetic

[sharp gale]

What you think I should take with your pussy build but without bolster ?

[molten gorge]

[wicked pollen]

show of force

[lofty glen]

question here. I got a Warbound champ track swort from 3rd raid boss in HC. Wort taking it for testing to tank?

[sweet summit]

if you don't want it for an alt

yeah sure

[eager phoenix]

Chump track weapon isnt a big commitment if you end up vendoring it

[sharp gale]

Okey when I come home I will try that in someone’s 11 or 12

[eager phoenix]

Xd

[lofty glen]

i mean. is it a goot swort for warry tanking?

[wicked pollen]

doesnt matter

you want ilevel

[vale karma]

don;'t forget to let them know that you are doing them a favour by even queuing up to their group as a tnak

[molten gorge]

Based

[sweet summit]

a good weapon for tanking is a high ilvl one hander with strength

[lofty glen]

i can insta boost it on 619

and it is for testing if i want to tank.

[wicked pollen]

you could also just buy a green off of the auction house

[vale karma]

I wouldn't waste runed crests on champ track gear tbh

[lofty glen]

well i got a vet track from delves

[wicked pollen]

then just use that to test

if you are not sure

then you can equip it after

[vale karma]

eww, bis m+ neck and cloak drops from stonevault? T_T

[proven ice]

Stone vault not bad

[torn gulch]

In stonevault you have to press your buttons.

Same with grim batol.

[strong forum]

we dont say its more, its more burst

but my recommendation is just not dropping either

and just not playing BSV

cuz youre cooked either way

[sharp gale]

Yes we were talking specific bsv builds, I’m just ok to test try things to see if I like it or not

[strong forum]

if youre going with this build, you might aswell drop SoF and pick up naked shield charge

but SoF is more dmg all things considered

[sharp gale]

I asked gio what he recommend since he is the one suggesting to pick ravager on a bsv build, I can try one with SoF or with naked SC, I’m open to try

I was more confused on him taking bolster because I think you maintain SB without it

[strong forum]

with just HR, yes

your goal with BSV is survivability at the cost of dmg right?

and thats what bolster gives you aswell

thats the whole thought process

cuz whenever people try to cook builds, they VERY OFTEN give up dmg, to get dmg somewhere else which... you can just sim

or give up tankiness to gain tankiness somewhere else

which makes no fucking sense to me

you do 1 or the other

but you dont drop surv to get other surv

like

[sharp gale]

Yes but not over exaggerate survivability, that’s why even you want to be safe it’s too much a waste to take bolster

[strong forum]

thats my take with BSV

its just overkill at the cost of SEVERE other talents

[sharp gale]

I asked what are people’s bsv build and I’ll try some when I come home

[strong forum]

ye thats fine

i played it in 1 key once in DF

and it was dogshit to play

when it was on CD i felt IMMEDIATELY uncomfortable

despite being in no danger whatsoever

[sharp gale]

I played one time I think in a grimbatol and the first time I did the last pull of ara Kara with the slow

[strong forum]

that ara kara slow breaks my legs IRL

and makes me cough

[molten gorge]

[sharp gale]

It feels bad to give up dmg for something you feel it means you are bad if it proc

[lyric loom]

New to prot warrior and currently leveling one. What would you guys recommend crafting and what embellishments if I plan on doing just m+

[onyx vessel]

Bsv hater nomeratur

[strong forum]

both times BSV procced was intentional for me

to test if it worked

[onyx vessel]

Good for people with 18% shield block uptime

[sharp gale]

Depends on your current gear/ you want a good shield and weapon you can craft it or vault one, bracer for long term embellish I think and another dog shit slot

[lyric loom]

Yeah I’m afraid I’ll draft a weapon and shield then get good one out of vault lol

[onyx vessel]

Like me in mop never used shield block cuz I thought it was bad and just spammed shield barrier

[sharp gale]

You don’t need a 636/639 shield-weapon to do 10s, but you got plenty of sparks so go get that wow token and craft i think

[onyx vessel]

Craft your own save a bit

[sharp gale]

I was amazed the price I paid to craft this week a 2 hand 636

[burnt torrent]

Crit or vers?

[rapid bough]

Hi someone here can explain me some basics on private?

[sharp gale]

The embellish for prot ?

[burnt torrent]

Yeah, duskthread lining or dawnthread and stats for crafted pieces, I'm feeling like im lacking quite a bit of vers at 625 ilvl

[sharp gale]

You can always recraft later, I did crit because I had almost no crit when I did my shield, depends on your current vers/crit I guess

[burnt torrent]

This would be a recraft, I have a shield, belt and bracers at 636 as haste/crit and im at 28% crit but only 4% vers

[sharp gale]

I would go vers personally yes, it’s just my opinion so don’t take 1 dude’s opinion alone

[onyx vessel]

16% mastery damn

[brazen flower]

Started using Oppressive Orator's Larynx recently, should I just be sending it on CD, or waiting for stacks to amplify the damage? Or not sending it at all and just sitting on the strength buff?

[sharp gale]

It’s almost 0 mastery

[burnt torrent]

mastery from tier and surekis

and boots

[remote tusk]

Stamina on legs

[sharp gale]

You have how much raw mastery ? Less then 2k maybe like it’s not a big deal

[trim wind]

Do we not play shield charge? 😮 What have I done

[burnt torrent]

1672

[ionic fern]

I play it.

[trim wind]

Oh, wait, I do play capstone talent as well, the one gives u shield block

[remote tusk]

Ravager over Shield Charge seems a weird pick there

[trim wind]

So nvm

[ionic fern]

[wicked pollen]

hi mwahi

[ionic fern]

Hello.

[burnt torrent]

@remote tusk Isn't stam on legs more value than armor? as stam will be EHP for both magic and physical damage?

[onyx vessel]

No

[sharp gale]

895 stamina

[remote tusk]

Armor gives Primary Stat.

[stoic pivot]

hi with these logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FhGZrtBcqWvaVpDw#fight=12&type=casts&source=358&view=timeline how does he have shield block up without recasting it (like around 3:56)

[burnt torrent]

Shield charge with capstone?

[sharp gale]

Yes and armor give you strength so armor with the class talent even it’s also a minuscule amount compared to your armor

[stoic pivot]

there is no shield charge in the timeline tho

[molten gorge]

HR then

[burnt torrent]

Where is the text that says armor adds strength?

[remote tusk]

That amount of Shield Slam is also not enough to keep that up.

[remote tusk]

Its a Talent

[molten gorge]

Isn't it 2s more per shield slam?

[remote tusk]

1

[molten gorge]

Hm

[burnt torrent]

I see i see, Its passive so honestly I forgot all about it

[molten gorge]

Could have had more than one charge going in

Like as in before the start of the pic

He had SC + 2x Block or whatever

It all stacks

[wicked pollen]

hes playing itf

[stoic pivot]

nvm I looked at the wrong buff uptime, he def drops it there

[burnt torrent]

The reason I had stam on my legs to be honest was because R1 warrior in M+ has it lol

[stoic pivot]

im stupid haha

[molten gorge]

Lol

[burnt torrent]

So upon switching that, it gave me legitimately like 3 strength

[remote tusk]

I doubt it.

[burnt torrent]

Ill for science two screenshots to you right now hold on

[wicked pollen]

very simple how much armor does the enchant give

[burnt torrent]

Sorry ill correct myself, 50 strength

[sharp gale]

He plays with bolster, but press it later, it depends on context, sometime you don’t shield block like on first boss of mist when he gets the dmg amp

[remote tusk]

Yes, but you also gained 1100+ Armor in addition to that Strength. So you are hitting for slightly more, absorbing slightly more with Ignore Pain etc.

[sharp gale]

So it depends on context or maybe he just dropped shield block

[burnt torrent]

I suppose it technically gives me more parry as well

[inland raft]

Why would you want to lose 30% of your damage of your hardest hitting ability during the damage amp?

[burnt torrent]

Gunna cost like 50k to recraft these 3 pieces to be vers

[sharp gale]

I don’t know the context of the 3 min period on these logs but 3 min can be first boss of mist

Im too lazy and on my phone to check

[inland raft]

My point is only time youd let block fall off is if kiting or moving between packs or doing mechanics in raid. Its a significant dps loss to drop block

I was responding to the idea that should let it drop during the damage amp for some reason

[sharp gale]

I don’t really know why would you do it too, I’m trying to find a reason

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/qadCKs4.png

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/Vwx9IoE.png

these gaps tho

💀

sometimes solid 6 seconds of downtime

[wicked pollen]

at least

he doesnt have a bunch of unblocked hits

its really good

[sweet summit]

still got 93% blocked hits so not the end of the world!!

[wicked pollen]

yeap

[strong forum]

cuz of bolster

this is the funniest shit

[burnt torrent]

battle scarred in raid?

[strong forum]

no

[sweet summit]

real cheat death btw

[strong forum]

got killed through bsv

100->0

[burnt torrent]

thats rough

[strong forum]

casual 16million hit cuz block was down

[sweet summit]

what the hell is cleaving strike

i can't see it in any of my runs

[strong forum]

apparently a frontal the defenders cast

maybe they dont cast it when you have block up

[sweet summit]

xd

[burnt torrent]

blocks 100% uptime yeah?

[strong forum]

there are mechanics in wow that only happen when active mitigation isnt up

but that should be a legacy mechanic

emphasis on should

[sweet summit]

it doesn't even show on senses sheet

what the

[sharp gale]

He has 88.5 % uptime

[sweet summit]

yeah out of combat exists

[burnt torrent]

No i was more so saying that block is 100% uptime in combat yes?

[strong forum]

did not

otherwise he wouldnt have died to lack of block uptime

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[strong forum]

and funnily enough

all the BSV procs are due to eating an avoidable mechanic

[wicked pollen]

what mechanics are there in mists as a tank

i swear you just walk through everything

[strong forum]

frog frontal and leap

[remote tusk]

I dare you to try xd

[strong forum]

fox exploding in melee :^)

not kicking patty cake

all 4 of which happened

[wicked pollen]

yeah bro let me play more tank as someone who finds it extremely boring

[strong forum]

also getting hit by dodgeball

[wicked pollen]

so hes just playing sub-optimally 🙂

[remote tusk]

Just mistakes

[sweet summit]

you have to kick 2nd boss (very difficult)

[sweet summit]

but only died one of those times and thus timed the key!!

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[strong forum]

wowee

[wicked pollen]

is the reason we dont play +10 revenge cost is to just hit more revenges

[strong forum]

cuz it fucks up your rage management

hey let me only cast 2 revenges with 60 rage instead of 3

to get an SS reset

and do less damage total

[wicked pollen]

math

[burnt torrent]

Whats the full talent build we're running for M+?

[wicked pollen]

in #protection-faq

🙂

[burnt torrent]

so why are all the top running into the fray instead of heavy reper

[tribal wharf]

because they have giga haste

[wicked pollen]

because they want haste

[strong forum]

cuz they think 20% is just enough haste and they HATE not playing ITF

[tribal wharf]

that and its good in raid apparently

[strong forum]

even tho they sometimes die to lack of block

and hate playing the safe option but then play BSV

[remote tusk]

Shield Block CD is reduced by Haste.

[wicked pollen]

okay but i hate having less haste as well

[burnt torrent]

i've been messing around with some builds

and into the fray feels dangerous with block uptime

[strong forum]

sure, but you need 45% haste before ITF to get 100%

[wicked pollen]

😦

[strong forum]

and theyre all nowhere near that haste

[wicked pollen]

how much with shield charge

[remote tusk]

With or without Shield Charge incl.

[strong forum]

that is with shield charge

[remote tusk]

Ok.

[wicked pollen]

XD

[remote tusk]

Premonition

[strong forum]

without shield charge you need 100% haste

🙂

[remote tusk]

😂

[strong forum]

you need 67% perma haste to get 100% uptime, you dont need 100% uptime but the levels theyre playing is not sufficient

so they play bolster + itf

instead of just playing HR

and have true 100% uptime with ease

and get 1 extra 2nd gate talent punto somewhere else

[sharp gale]

I personally don’t play ITF I have 35% haste without, I need 1 event with no shield block to die, and me dying = wipe, nah I will skip it

[remote tusk]

😭

[sweet summit]

holy haste

[wicked pollen]

holy

[sweet summit]

is that with flask

[strong forum]

i have like 24% haste before talents

[wicked pollen]

you should see my mastery though

[remote tusk]

No with ItF

[sweet summit]

oh..

[strong forum]

and i also play HR

and do like 200-400k dps more than those pushers do

weird how that works

[tribal wharf]

im only 611 ilvl but i have 30% haste before buffs

[sharp gale]

Oh and I’m gnome so I get 1% free haste

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[sweet summit]

i'm lowkey contemplating race changing to dwarf but it's so fucking expensive :/

[wicked pollen]

sell some m+ carries

[strong forum]

dorf is bis

[wicked pollen]

honestly surprised someone didnt start tweaking at my stats

[tribal wharf]

ya i agree about expensive

[sweet summit]

why would we

stats are not some elo potion

you're fine

[burnt torrent]

i race changed to dwarf cause its huge

[sharp gale]

because we all know you are a dps player

[tribal wharf]

i figure they would sell fuck loads more services if a race change was 10 bucks instead of 25

like 5 - 10 times amount they do now

10 bucks, whatever omegalul, 25 30 bucks, well, now i have to think about it for at least 30 seconds

[remote tusk]

I dislike how male dwarf shields get small when sheathed.

[tribal wharf]

its not even that i cant afford that shit, its just, why

[reef hazel]

real

[tribal wharf]

i dunno its feels bad all around i feel

[remote tusk]

Just level a new char

[tribal wharf]

thats what i mean

[sweet summit]

yeah that is not happening LMFAO

[tribal wharf]

25 bucks or i could go level a new character

[remote tusk]

And gear it on the side

[tribal wharf]

or.......... fuck that, i dont want it play wow im gunna buy another entire GAME for 25 bucks

you see?

[sharp gale]

Items that are good sizes on my character are very limited

[tribal wharf]

all that plate armor and a shining sword....

and then a a sun hat...

i was almost really happy with transmog

[sharp gale]

Well I only see my character from a particular angle I like the hat tbh

Didn’t find a good looking weapon tho (they are very limited on gnomes)

[orchid gulch]

I mean, rolling gnome just tanks your transmog options by default.

No matter the class.

[sharp gale]

I Have to shave beard to wear helmets

[orchid gulch]

Not like anyone notices when you're so close to the ground.

The scream for taunt/IP is a meme though, I think.

[sharp gale]

Look at those muscles

[orchid gulch]

Look at the muscularity!

Peak gnome efficiency at its best! Winner of the stronggnome competition!

I dunno, I'd like to see my transmog outside the character screen so gnomes aren't for me. Not enough pauldron.

[sharp gale]

Maybe this will convince you

[orchid crest]

Do we get rage from a dodged attack?

[shell fox]

https://www.twitch.tv/shawrus world first 15 happening??

(not me) <<<<<<<<<<<<

[jagged pier]

#promotion

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/inside-out-anger-characters-gif-25501912

[brave cliff]

So a quick question to fellow tanks A dk in my recent 9 grim made a comment about port warrior need not kite the ogre that trucks… is this true what am I missing ? With sb and ip up still they truck.. what am I missing ?

[dapper rune]

debating crafting 636 shoulders with my spark.. Idk if I want to haste vers or greed the crit haste

🤔

[wicked pollen]

you should kite them at 10 or press hard cc

[wicked pollen]

sim it

[dapper rune]

ye running sim rn

M+ based ofc

[lofty warren]

in M+ I am getting "interface action fail" and then I DC. happened twice in NW and in others too. How to fix?

[wicked pollen]

try disabling addons

[lofty warren]

i want to find WHICH addon

[wicked pollen]

you have to go one by one

XD

[toxic pewter]

wat how is it greeding? it doesnt even matter

[wicked pollen]

if you disable more than one you will get bad data

[dapper rune]

as in just gaining tankiness via vers ig

[toxic pewter]

crit also provides tankiness

[wicked pollen]

i dont think getting 0.5% vers is the difference

[dapper rune]

true

always forget about parry

[deft raptor]

prot thane is blasting atm it feels nice

[regal elm]

If the ogre has a good amount of stacks you have to cc/kite or soothe

[toxic pewter]

im over here parrying like 29% of every melee LOL

[lavish onyx]

I kite in all levels of grim.

[inland raft]

71 sieges and 35 necrotic wakes later still no ring, is it time to just craft it

[lavish onyx]

Craft babe

[turbid shuttle]

Press storm bolt or shield charge to reset stacks

[sharp gale]

What if in the next necrotic wake the ring drops ? If you lose money at the casino you keep going to gain it back

[deft raptor]

[placid raft]

That`s from a +6 i did as tank earlier, blasting my way

[graceful kite]

jump right and everyone runs to the forge, kill those packs, get warrior buff, pull 3 mobs and run to the next pack (might need to los behind a corner if noone interupts/grips)

[deft raptor]

what dungeon is this, i wanna know what the SR is on xD

[placid raft]

Grim batol

[inland raft]

your right, besides i should craft neck according to sims for my character, i dont mythic raid and crafted neck sims higher then any other neck for me currently, i can keep crying in dungeons i guess

[placid raft]

I used spell reflect on this skill, i don`t know the exact name in english

but it`s the DoT

From the orc npcs with the big orange blade

[deft raptor]

the 2 big guys before dragon boss?

[placid raft]

No

let me search it on english

[orchid gulch]

Nah, that's the shadowblade slash or so. The blade boys, I think, but my Spanish is mostly non existent and a bit rusty to boot.

[placid raft]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=224240/twilight-flamerender

[molten gorge]

Something about Llamas I think

[placid raft]

The flamerenders

[deft raptor]

nice thanks

[placid raft]

Every Spell reflect it`s like 8million damage

[sharp gale]

Yes you are almost top dps on the 3 dudes pack in second boss room

[orchid gulch]

Yeah, you want to reflect one and block the other if there's two.

[sharp gale]

Just because of SR

[placid raft]

Yep

it`s insane

that + burst from the thane

[orchid gulch]

Nah, that's just regular SR shenanigans.

[placid raft]

i still can`t forgive blizzard for nerfing SR against the twins in SV

I remember in beta being able to SR the tank hit AND the big fire ball

[neon elk]

I havent had issues with them on 10-11s . Maaaybe if i have 2 of them, but CCing them ( shield charge is enough) is good to reduce dmg

[faint maple]

Probably coz you have good comp, coz if they die not fast enough you rly need run away. I’m using all on them if dds will not focus them

Curruntly running 9s of GB

[tardy abyss]

You should have SB and IP up 99% of the time anyway - when they start hitting hard with stacks you just pop a cd

If you need to kite that's most likely your fault

[deft mortar]

Gawd

Trying to do this CoT 10, the shaman who has the key did less overall than me and we failed to finish

Bro was dead every boss fight

[orchid gulch]

They truck, but they do physical damage. By the time warriors need to kite, most other tanks are already in the ground.

[neon elk]

I mean, doesnt matter realy, pack should die quickly enough anyway, and they stack untill 10 stacks only iirc , so after like 15-20 sec they are full , u also have SW which u dont need anywhere near

Like that pull ( double ogre) is way more chill than double guardian in mists imho

[tardy abyss]

The guardians in mists are okayish too

I dislike the first two packs of Siege the most

As well as the mini boss with the two adds in Dawn on the left side

[neon elk]

Like they arent impossible or whatnot, but if i havento compare them, guardians are worse

[neon elk]

The pulsing one ?

[tardy abyss]

Do they pulse? Never paid attention tbh

[neon elk]

One is doing orb, the other is dping big circle tank buster , thrid one is pulsing

They all have one boss mechanic

[tardy abyss]

Then that one ye

Even with cd they truck hard

[neon elk]

Ye hes nasty but im usualy fine, is rest of group that strugle there

Usualy poping ralying there and spaminy interv

Not much else i can do tbf

[sharp gale]

Rallying and intervene then it’s not my job anymore

[neon elk]

Yap pretty much, and its back up untill boss anyway

[ornate thicket]

Rally is donkey. Wish it was still 20%

[sharp gale]

They should just buff it in group content

[ornate thicket]

That would be neat

[sharp gale]

If Blizz is just scared of raid rallying

[neon elk]

Its still at least 10% and it can save life , it also boost %healing a bit

Even tho its weaker than it used to be, still useful spell and far from useles

[graceful kite]

worse then every other raid cd

[neon elk]

True , but hey, we got somehing at least

[ornate thicket]

I dont feel like its ever saved anyone. Id rather take intim shout for a stop lol

[graceful kite]

it helps in raid tho

[ornate thicket]

Oh yeah for raid no doubt

[graceful kite]

best thing about it as dps is that you can use it in bladestorm

[ornate thicket]

I mean in m+

[neon elk]

I find it helpful eveb in m+

But i pug mostly so..

[graceful kite]

it is helpful its just bad compared to alternatives

but I'd prefer they don't touch us at all to whatever happens when blizzard decided to tweak your kit

[tribal wharf]

i think i pulled the most clutch ever rallying cry here

we could have very easily wiped to that combo

[neon elk]

Yea but thats the pug life i was talking about

Your pala is rather healtht and has sac ready

Monk has ready coocon ? Not sure by that icon

In pugs/with bad players , ralying has more value than in organized good groups

[hybrid canyon]

Hello. Im a bear looking to make a prot war alt. Whats the best place to start looking at prot war info?

[faint maple]

Ideally yes, but still not pug group😅

[graceful kite]

wowhead

[hybrid canyon]

Okay good ill look at wowhead to start. Was just seeing if there was an up to date compendium or something here cuz i know in the bear disc they have other opinions to wowhead at this point.

[dusky canopy]

Read the wowhead guide and then ask questions here

[sharp gale]

It’s more that everyone is not full hp before group wide dmg, if I saw that I would have rally even before the stomp

[neon elk]

I pug only , it just works . Worst case u leap

[dusky canopy]

Our wowhead is maintained by our theorycrafter

So read wowhead and then ask questions here after

[hybrid canyon]

Sick

Tyty

[dusky canopy]

Gl! Cheers

[graceful kite]

they're very easy and you can manage them by yourself

every time they do a melee swing they get a stacking buff

it lasts around 3 seconds

worst case scenario no cc no cds no nothing you just run away for 3 seconds

normal scenario you shockwave and step back for literally 1 second

[sharp gale]

I just mass stun and back walk a little bit

Exactly

[graceful kite]

until they're at max stacks they do 0 damage

[nocturne vine]

Can someone recommend a guide to play colossus in raid ?

Im so rage starving

[graceful kite]

but if you don't have wall or demo or something you just step back and its ok

[nocturne vine]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[toxic pewter]

if demolish just gave any rage at all the spec would feel like 8 thousand times better

even if it gave like literally 15 rage or some crap

cuz it also stops your auto attacks

[sharp gale]

Just make each strike of demolish an auto attack category thingy

[toxic pewter]

yeah that would be fine also

give like 9 rage during demolish

even that 9 rage would make the spec much smoother

[sharp gale]

If every strike of demolish was categorize as an auto attack like a thing that is affected by that

[nocturne vine]

Happy im not the only one having the problem

[toxic pewter]

the rage economy of colossus vs thane has been an ongoing discussion since beta

[nocturne vine]

Its so satisfying to land a demolish

Yup but i see it is played specially in raid

And maybe somone have a guide or something to recommend

[wicked pollen]

wowhead

🙂

guess what the people who wrote wowhead and icyveins are in this discord

[tribal wharf]

how about instigate, or instagator, is a new talent about the spell taunt

basically vigilance or whatever, when tuanted it deals less to you and you deal more to it

that would be cool

[sharp gale]

Yep gotta be the first to pull that boss then and every X second i’ll taunt

[wicked pollen]

what if i could take punish and juggernaut at the same time

[high wyvern]

How do you guys gather big packs that has multiple caster? Do you ask for help with range interrupt

[tribal wharf]

for science, i equipped taunt trinket from SV at ilvl 610 in a +4 threads took 26 minutes did 26M " " " " " " H e A l I n G " """" " "" " "

[tropic star]

typically yeah if im in coms

[tribal wharf]

im very not wanting to call what it did as healing

but technically by all accounts, it is

[sharp gale]

Los, kick first cast, caster pack being the regroup point

[high wyvern]

Im trying to gather the first 3 packs in City of Threads and theres always one or two caster just free casting and never group up

Annoying

[tropic star]

yeah good point, if 2 casters you can just kick one and group on 2nd

if more than three looking for LOS or great

if not may ask for grip/ranged kick in comms or hope pug has situational awareness

[ornate thicket]

Kick first caster leap into next, aoe silence roar drag back to first

[high wyvern]

We have AoE silence?

[toxic pewter]

na

[lusty grotto]

he means aoe kick

[ornate thicket]

Yes if you talent it

[lusty grotto]

not silence

[high wyvern]

Oh disrupting shout?

[sharp gale]

Under mass taunt talent you can make it a mass kick

[ornate thicket]

Well right its aoe kick with a 6sec silence attached to it

[high wyvern]

I dont want to miss blood craze

[lusty grotto]

thats just a standard kick though

[ornate thicket]

Its def longer than standard

[lusty grotto]

no

its a regular aoe kick

[sharp gale]

Yes if it kick nothing the caster will not move

[lusty grotto]

theres no silence

anyway keep going

[high wyvern]

It says kick for 6s

[pale canopy]

My guilds tanks left and so im switching from fury to Prot does anyone know any good youtubers for heroic/ mythic palace or high keys. Luckily im already geared for the most part.

[high wyvern]

6s silence if kicked

Regular kick is 3s silence right?

[toxic pewter]

lol

[high wyvern]

So it is a little longer

[toxic pewter]

it's not correct to say we have an aoe silence though, that is giving people the wrong impression of how the ability functions

[lusty grotto]

yeah its 3 more seconds

[high wyvern]

AoE kick is a better word

[lusty grotto]

however, with TWW stuff

the school shut down doesnt really do much

depending on the mob of course

[wicked pollen]

reading is too hard

[ornate thicket]

Ok yes its a 6sec aoe kick. You knew what i meant you twats. Lol

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[toxic pewter]

many mobs have more than one school of magic and it's mega annoying lmao

[high wyvern]

you just got "asctussally" 🥸

[ornate thicket]

Hahaha yup

[sharp gale]

People may try to charge mass taunt/kick a pack of caster to gather them on another pack, they may just not move because you kicked nothing, like a silence would do

[high wyvern]

tank diversity seemed pretty good this patch

even prot pally

[lusty grotto]

yeah

gotta love it though

its always good when all tanks are represented

or the vast majority

[ornate thicket]

In the first pull of CoT my description of the pull works cuz they cast right away but yes you need to make sure things are casting before pressing

[high wyvern]

i love warriors but I do miss veng DH be able to aoe grip / aoe control 3 packs for a good 15s in DFs

[toxic pewter]

well that was wildly imbalanced

[lusty grotto]

here we go again

[toxic pewter]

of course you enjoyed it

[wicked pollen]

15 seconds?

it was 40

[high wyvern]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

[high wyvern]

tanks also never die in DFs

mobs white swing melee actually hurts like a B now

[wicked pollen]

i think vdh was 40ish alone

[high wyvern]

brewmaster never meta

[deft mortar]

Honestly with our stun frontal also knocking up and having like 25 sec CD

[toxic pewter]

isnt brew in a very strong spot right now pretty much every tank is strong

[turbid shuttle]

skip the first 2. on the 4-pack, charge etc., they insta start casting, disrupting shout to kick both. leap to beetle and tag it. charge back to 4 pack. do dps things.

[deft mortar]

I don't see the need for aoe kick

[deft mortar]

Brew is a dps with taunt

[toxic pewter]

cot i think lusting the 2nd pull is better apparently

[deft mortar]

Only real tank is warrior and paladin

[lusty grotto]

pretty much every tank is strong yes

[toxic pewter]

wait are paladins good now

[deft mortar]

Except Blood DKs

[high wyvern]

how is blood DK in high keys? is it still insanely spiky damage and spiky healing?

[lusty grotto]

paladins have been good

[deft mortar]

Idk I am classist

Tank has to have a shield or it's a dps with tuant

[lusty grotto]

they are slightly squishier but

[deft mortar]

Tank has to be plate armor

[lusty grotto]

they pump dam

[deft mortar]

If you dodge, you're a rogue

[high wyvern]

i think overall balance is pretty good for tank. Healer balance is terrible though. And DPS is like always Mage / FDK

[deft mortar]

Facts

[lusty grotto]

fucking annoying to see blocked message spam

i wish it was just removed

[deft mortar]

Is it me lol

[narrow hull]

yeah, but I was still sleeping in 10's at like 612 ilvl, 618 now gonna try some 11's at some point.

[deft mortar]

If so cry about it nerd

[toxic pewter]

im ngl 11s were easy but every 12 i have done so far has not gone well

[high wyvern]

i wished they buff otherh healers as well. Right now rshaman feels way too strong and it feels bad bringing other healer, except maybe disc

[neon elk]

How does your 2nd pull looks like then ?

[high wyvern]

you 2 need to kiss n make up

[lusty grotto]

other healers are fine

[narrow hull]

most of my bricked keys had some fotm rsham reroller not knowing when to actually use totem

[deft mortar]

multiplicative +20%dmg/hp and no freebie 20% mastery hurts lol

[lusty grotto]

if you dont understand why rsham is brought, thats fine, but its not because other healers are dumpster

they are capable

[bronze wraith]

I have a question on spending crests. Should I try to spend crests on making my best items better or should I spend crests on making the items I will guarantee ably keep better? Like I have egg with speed and myth track gloves. The egg is better, but the gloves I will always keep

[deft mortar]

Disci goes incredibly hard

[lusty grotto]

meta does not mean others are garbage

[deft mortar]

But spec composition doesn't matter at like below 12 keys and even then doesn't matter

[narrow hull]

Had a juiced disc do 480k dps overall in a db. Def felt it in pulls.

[lusty grotto]

it means it fits a specific group profile

i wish people would understand that in today's WoW

[deft mortar]

Unless you're pushing for high ranks, it doesn't matter at all.

[high wyvern]

it would argue meta is even more important for lower keys cuz there is 0 coordination. you can get away with any comps if ur coordinated

[lusty grotto]

you must be trolling

[deft mortar]

5 keys legit be harder than 11 keys

[high wyvern]

not to that extreme no

[deft mortar]

Keep having to solo bosses

[high wyvern]

but pugging a +9 is harder than a coordinated +11 i would say

[deft mortar]

I had to solo SoB first boss from 60% because healer went afk and dps died to explosion

At 4

[narrow hull]

if there was 0 coordination why would meta even cross someones mind

[deft mortar]

And I wasn't about to wipe to a damn M4 boss

[limpid ruin]

Meta comps are often based on pulls you arent doing. You dont need a aug to live when the tank is single/double pulling packs

[high wyvern]

cuz ur pugging?

[narrow hull]

don't think we're understanding why something is meta

[deft mortar]

I mostly care about doing a physical/magic cleave at most tbh

Mostly physical since I got yell

[high wyvern]

please explain then

[deft mortar]

But retri and DH doing 70% magic dmg sucks

[narrow hull]

Most Effective Tactics Available. Why bring this class in a certain ORGANIZED COMP. With planned usage, strenghts and weaknesses

[neon elk]

Enha and dk are also quite mixed

[toxic pewter]

how much of frost dk damage is magic... seems like a lot especially with breath build

[high wyvern]

what is rshaman big weakness right now compared to other healer lmao

its a bit overtuned

[narrow hull]

It has utility, and if you misplay a bigger cd you have 0 externals

It fits every comp currently, and brings lust. Shift those elsewhere and it changes group dynamics.

[deft mortar]

Ngl my fave healer is resto druid cuz 3% vers, cat form dps, and CR

2nd is disco priest because somehow nobody ever dies with a good disco to anything

Felt so good with a disco boralus last boss slams into dispells and bro handled it like a boss

[neon elk]

Thats just a good healer nothing to do with class

[deft mortar]

MW touch of deaths and cc goes hard too

Good rings are amazing

Knocking ranged into melee

Esp if no frost dk

NW 2nd boss MW is peaceful asf

[lusty grotto]

dont forget skyfury for both fdk and prot

[tribal wharf]

what is it that fdk even brings

[lusty grotto]

thats a pretty big one

[deft mortar]

Does resto give 2% mastery as well?

Ankh ain't bad either

For fuck ups

[tribal wharf]

i dont know dk well, but GENERALLY, i prefer bdk + fdk over uhdk

[narrow hull]

big dam, utility

grip, brez

[deft mortar]

Occasional death strike if low

[tribal wharf]

im starting to understand uh more but i suck the big one at uhdk

[lusty grotto]

the reason your loved vdh was meta was not due only the cc, it was uncapped damage, chaos brand, and tankiness equivalent to all other tanks

[tribal wharf]

it aint good at all

[deft mortar]

Pretty tanky too and ams

[lusty grotto]

it buffed the SP

if any of those was dumpster, it wouldn't have been meta

[narrow hull]

yeah love sham buff, why I'll bring my ele bud most of the time w/ disc

[tribal wharf]

i get to 30% of boss , die and then get rezzed 3 times in lfr

[deft mortar]

Chaos Brand on tank goes extremely hard

We need more pure physical dmg dealers

Prot War Rogue Hunt WW only goes so far

Makes Hunt a must for ranged

[tribal wharf]

enhance shaman should be a tank, i dont know how you give class ability to wear shield and then they cant be a tank

[lusty grotto]

also not to mention VDH's darkness became incredibly strong after the rework

[tribal wharf]

maybe enhance does dw 1h i dunno

[deft mortar]

I may level a VDH after my Protadin alt

Tried blood feels horrible to play

After warrior esp

[tribal wharf]

blood is disgusting with gear and raid or party buffs

[narrow hull]

blood goat tank atm for gameplay

so chill

[deft mortar]

U don't die unless u get one shot I guess

But prot warr just doesn't take the dmg in the first place kekw

[tribal wharf]

bdk is live lord

eviterno, if you will

he just bully you until hes ready to die

[deft mortar]

Protadin seems to be an excellent aoe tank

Everything is cleave and dmg becomes absorb shield

[narrow hull]

100 -> 1% on bdk I sleep. 100 - 60% on prot I shit pants.

[tribal wharf]

bdk vs mythic keystone boss especially cap vault key

is literall

"when do i wipe?" - bdk

[deft mortar]

Fr esp if u have runic pow lol

Healers hate tracking whether if BDK will self heal or die tho

[gray mountain]

hey guys do you follow any site in specific for BiS list. Every site seems to be slightly different with trinks etc but archon has swarm / ara trink

[narrow hull]

yeah I mald if my healer spots me past first 5 secs of a fresh pull

[lusty grotto]

we follow wowhead and icyveins #protection-faq

[deft mortar]

That juicy 7M death strike

Self heal

[lusty grotto]

and sims

[tribal wharf]

how do you even heal a bdk in a +13, just for example, do you just absorb them and regen

?

[high wyvern]

this meta diversity as you goes higher key is so funny in DF lmao

[sharp gale]

I follow wowhead and figure myself on the way (like if I craft a weapon/shield first even if not bis, which trinket I use for what)

[tribal wharf]

and then they heal them selves alot?

[lusty grotto]

yogi

you watch runic power

if runic power = dont heal

no runic power = heal

thats it

[unkempt hazel]

simple as

[deft mortar]

Bruh when prot warr that bad I just quit frfrfr

[sharp gale]

And just in case external him on pull

[unkempt hazel]

it wasnt that prot was bad

just dh was better than everyone

[deft mortar]

But also seasons like this is when u can rank rly high in your own spec rankings

[lusty grotto]

non-meta does not mean incapable

[deft mortar]

Cuz every sucker rerolls

[lusty grotto]

most regulars here played DF completely as prot

[deft mortar]

My resto druid friend is like top 50 on some dungs now because everyone is a shammy

[lusty grotto]

as did i

[unkempt hazel]

the problem with df dh was that they had so many stops most pugs could just chill and let the dh do everything

[lusty grotto]

the only season where prot has been actual dumpster fire was SL S1

[tribal wharf]

i wont even lie, im watching sum dude stream doom 3 content on youtube lol

[unkempt hazel]

🫠

[deft mortar]

I played S1, maxed out the game then quit

[tribal wharf]

RN even

[mighty valley]

god sl s1 pre-reprisal was great

[deft mortar]

I miss BFA corruption thunderclaps

[tribal wharf]

thats what we have now with thane

[deft mortar]

Nahh it's not at that level where your dps is below in overalls

[tribal wharf]

nothing tops TD

that shit was insane

that shit was a literal bfg 9000

[deft mortar]

In DF S1 I often beat my DPS in Nokhud offensive with spell reflect abuse

2nd boss and last boss

Insane dmg

[sharp gale]

It was broken because of conflict and strife

Not corruption

[deft mortar]

Peaceful times

[lusty grotto]

what was

[tribal wharf]

did we forget about the 20 man tank TD raid?

[sharp gale]

Bfa war prot

[tribal wharf]

kill bosses in 40 seconds

[lusty grotto]

lol

it wasnt conflict and strife

i didnt fucking play that

[sharp gale]

Every thunder clap you just dodge every attack ?

[lusty grotto]

DC + BoMx3 did work

prot's damage was by far and wide the best

no

CnS was the mini root on mobs

it wasnt the reason

[sharp gale]

Yes and you walk out of range you would just not be melee

[lusty grotto]

it was prot's damage

[sharp gale]

And dmg yes

[lusty grotto]

no

it was just

damage

conflict and strife wasnt in the picture

we padded Zul before shit became blockable in s2

we knew what we had

the damage was insane with DC and BoMx3

and AM resetting demo

and LS

[neon elk]

I miss TD , it was stupid and all but damn laser goes brrrr

[lusty grotto]

the s2 changes just solidified prot as meta

[tribal wharf]

everybody want to see the deathstar explode in starwars

[lusty grotto]

because everything that killed us in s1, like throw rocks and shit became blockable

so Damage + Defensiveness = meta

plus reaping

uncapped TC spam

Damage + Defensiveness + Battle Shout on rogues = meta

[sharp gale]

I miss nyalotha hc clears with 29 tanks

[neon elk]

Yea was fun ngl

Stupid but fun

Wasnt there also like 1tank full mages runs or something ?

[sharp gale]

Yes and they killed ilgynoth when he disappear from the room just from fire mage mastery

[lusty grotto]

ah yes

masterful corruption mages

that was fun for magechip

[sharp gale]

Personally I liked ilgy mm no dispel strat

[lusty grotto]

funnest alt was my hpal though

[sharp gale]

Hum

[lusty grotto]

thats how chipadin came to be

[sharp gale]

Alts in bfa what a topic

[lusty grotto]

s4 alts

before that, hmm not playable for the most part

[sharp gale]

15k shit to farm to buy corruptions on a monthly rotation

[lusty grotto]

it was bad yeah but

doable

chipadin and magechip farmed full corruptions

those were my 2 active alts there

[sharp gale]

God before essences account wide you had to farm conflict and strife in PvP on all alts

[lusty grotto]

oh

shearchip too

cause i did raden weekly for slappers

bro

you have something for conflict and strife

holy shit

i swear to god i never used it anywhere

on any of those 4 characters

[sharp gale]

Oh the rank 4 ?

[lusty grotto]

0 rank

that was some pussy shit

TD first pull was fucking cake without it

[sharp gale]

It was that essence that doubled vers when stunned ?

[lusty grotto]

huh

what are you talking about

[sharp gale]

And some tanks just hit their corruption adds just to be invincible

Or I don’t really remember

[lusty grotto]

you just put full versatile corruptions on

thats it

lucid for us

[sharp gale]

There was a thing that if you are stunned you gained like 50% or double vers

[tribal wharf]

TBF, corruption was the source of the 40% versa meme

[sharp gale]

And yet you would still get os by random player shot in freehold

[lusty grotto]

shrug i did Voice major and lucid + sphere minors

a lot of us did

conflict and strife was kind of a meme

an "acceptable" meme

[sharp gale]

I played brew back then I didn’t follow the prot hype yet (was SL I started to be interested in war)

[lusty grotto]

kind of similar to what BSV is

its acceptable

but still low-key a meme

[tribal wharf]

im kind of curious to see a 5 man key of all larynx wearers

like in MDI

[sharp gale]

Sad to have no hp so TD didn’t do dmg as other tanks

[tribal wharf]

just casually deal 15M dmg in 3 seconds

every 2 minutes

[lusty grotto]

lucid and ineff + hasteful on hpal was cracked

thats why i loved it

and full masterful with junkyard bracers fire mage was also cracked

i dont remember what i ran on shearchip

i just remember doing heroic raden weekly

[tribal wharf]

i like heroic raiding

i dont like heroic raiders

[lusty grotto]

and whenever i had tokens for bonus roll

[sharp gale]

I know half dudes where hoping to drop his agility weapon

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what i mentioned earlier

[tribal wharf]

i think warlocks want the neck from threads for some reason

[lusty grotto]

slappers

[tribal wharf]

its not a haste neck so i dont care about it, didnt drop for me or nothin

im typically not mean like that if i get loot someone else can use and they werent being a jack ass i might trade them loot

[sharp gale]

Nzoth trinket : you will not die if you press that (1 min cd)

[tribal wharf]

i hated junkyard for the most part

[sharp gale]

I hate « gimmick » dungeons i don’t know what to call it

[tribal wharf]

i just dont like games that are overly opressive any thing in any game

fastest way to get me to turn it off and do something else

soon as i feel like i cant beat the boss

[violet ginkgo]

what do you consider as "overly oppresive"?

[tribal wharf]

when the challenge goes from fun to bullshit to total bullshit

dunno how else to put it

like you THINK you know how some boss works that your scared of on a 13 ill use that as example cuz thats lvl most ppl scared of, and you THINK you know exactly how he works and how to beat him

[sleek sun]

When we say you should have 40% haste unbuffed for Into the Fray, does that mean be at 40% WITH Into the Fray, or 40% before you talent into it

[tribal wharf]

then you go and try it and it doesnt work anything like how you thought it does,

[sharp gale]

Before talented into it

[sleek sun]

Sheeit

[dusky canopy]

42.069% haste

[tribal wharf]

best example of this i can think of is you try to do a raid

[sleek sun]

I'm at 15k haste so I need another like 4k haste, damn

[crude pumice]

Should i just use heavy repercussions i only have 18% haste smh 8k. I cant keep my shield block up

[lusty grotto]

yes

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

use heavy repercussions

[tepid reef]

!spellreflect

[dusky canopy]

Ope

He thinks we’re fancy

[mental scarab]

HR is kinda Nice to have tbh, always SB i can use my other 5 braincells for other stuffs

[sharp gale]

!bsv

[dusky canopy]

You have FIVE!?!?

[lusty grotto]

see pins and/or 3rd link in #protection-faq

[dusky canopy]

I thought my 3 was good

[strong forum]

He's hogging all the braincells for himself

Selfish Bastard

[dusky canopy]

[gleaming aurora]

Hi, I tried searching to see if there was info on this but didnt find it, I have a macro that casts ss and thundeclap everytime they are up, its spammed pretty much, is this completly wrong? I feel like my dmg is way down and it slows my play not having the macro though.

[neon elk]

Yes it is wrong

[dusky canopy]

Very wrong

[gleaming aurora]

ill go stand in the corner...

[sharp gale]

Like it’s a cast sequence ?

[neon elk]

Like how do u even come up with such macro?

[gleaming aurora]

yes

[violet ginkgo]

you can't really cast both as they are on gcd

[gleaming aurora]

I used it on my lock when I had the cast staff from last expansion

so it doesnt use both, it just is almost a if this is up use this.

[sharp gale]

I don’t know what is the cast staff

It’s a usable staff effect ?

[neon elk]

I guess ? But what it has to do with war

[wicked pollen]

staff from nymue

[gleaming aurora]

Yeah, it was the staff from....I dont remember but it was an execute staff, so when I spammed shadowbolt it would use the staff

[sharp gale]

And I think a on use staff effect is off gcd so yeah macro worked

[lusty grotto]

item uses are off-gcd

so it works

[gleaming aurora]

nothing, the ask was what was the use of the original macro

[lusty grotto]

for an SS + TC macro to work it would have to be a cast sequence

and that's a big nono for us

[gleaming aurora]

anyways, its a cast sequence, and uses which ever is up

[lusty grotto]

since both are GCDs

huh

no

thats not how cast sequences work

[sharp gale]

I never understood what cast sequence do

[lusty grotto]

they literally cast one, then the other

restart loop

[sharp gale]

But you can put conditions ?

[lusty grotto]

they have no distinction on whether one or the other is up though

no

[gleaming aurora]

#showtooltip
/targetenemy [noexists]
/castsequence reset=10 Shield Slam, Thunder Clap
/cqs

[lusty grotto]

dont do that please

[inner wren]

put all your skills into a cast sequence and just pray

[gleaming aurora]

which is ever up it utilized

[lusty grotto]

thats just a scuffed macro

cause SS resets

[gleaming aurora]

ss being first

[dusky canopy]

Technically he could
Cast shield slam
Cast thunder clap
And it would always prio SS if its up
But that’s incredibly bad practice

[lusty grotto]

and youre just missing SS casts

[dusky canopy]

Do not recommend at all

[sharp gale]

10 like it cast every 10 seconds SS ?

[gleaming aurora]

lol no, it just is up ever time one is up

[pallid quiver]

We need runs where literally everyone in the party has one button that is a cast sequence macro

[dusky canopy]

You’re limited to two gcd abilities without cast sequence

[pallid quiver]

And the goal is to clear somehow while only utilizing that one button

[dusky canopy]

And it prioritizes the one you have on top or “first”

Again do not recommend

But for Uber casual gameplay you could

[sharp gale]

I’ll try to understand how to do cast sequence macro and will try to not deplete a key (it’s my weekend thing)

[dusky canopy]

You really don’t want to use a cast sequence macro

It’s very sub optimal

[deft mortar]

I wish spear was larger so I could just [@player] it

That show I pop ravsger

[gleaming aurora]

Thanks! this is what im looking for. I appreciate it.

[lusty grotto]

its not just sub optimal