protection

[primal narwhal]

ok, my next goal is to beat my guild's lowest dps next week then

[sterile elm]

Ah ok wasn't sure because I know the buff icon has a delay

[shrewd ore]

at least I haven't noticed any that would impact the choice of embellishment

if you raid a lot, then ascendance weapon is also good option if you don't want to use threads

[sterile elm]

Got ya makes sense

[toxic pewter]

just got ara kara trinket.. just how good is it anyway

[primal narwhal]

yes

[shrewd ore]

u'll never unequip it

basically

[toxic pewter]

feel like my mark of khardros is better tho?

[shrewd ore]

(only if ur optimizing raid dps)

just use both

[toxic pewter]

yeah I guess i will unqeuip my organ

[primal narwhal]

yeah, one on use and one passive

[toxic pewter]

I like organ but time to go

is organ plus queen ring good combo tho

[shrewd ore]

can't comment on that, don't have organ and never simmed it

[lusty grotto]

organ sims fairly high

i use it with mandate

on ST

[gusty arrow]

Awesome thanks for the explanation, I'll have to check this out

[toxic pewter]

will sim it

[lusty grotto]

you just send organ with lust so it stacks up fast

then mandate after, since the target will undoubtedly have lost health so it does slightly more damage

[toxic pewter]

yeah I really like organ but I guess I will switch to ara kara

[lusty grotto]

ara kara is overrated

the sacbrood specifically

[toxic pewter]

yeah sacbrood is what I just got

sim says to use sacbrood and organ single target

[lusty grotto]

there you go then

[toxic pewter]

both do nature damage maybe my queen ring like it a lot

[lusty grotto]

yeah

likely

[toxic pewter]

in aoe it says to use organ and khadros lol

this is all getting confusing

[lusty grotto]

yeah

organ isnt that good for aoe

it splashes but

[shrewd ore]

aoe sims probs are close anyways, i'd just use sac + khadros

[lusty grotto]

khadros mastery will beat it

[toxic pewter]

yeah I think just gonna use sac and khadros for now

[pallid quiver]

oh, i just saw the news that gilded crests drop from +8s now

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats why we were talking about alts earlier

[pallid quiver]

i actually wasn't keeping up with the chat

i was busy reading sad story

[lusty grotto]

😢

[pallid quiver]

they can't fool me, i've read this before

everything happy is actually sad

[sharp gale]

I am happy

[lusty grotto]

[zealous goblet]

i return with a log

i call upon the brainiacs to help me read some things

[robust urchin]

You never learned to read?

[zealous goblet]

11 NW, yes, bsv, i'd like to read mainly how much work defensive trinkets actually did, and how many times BSV triggered on unneeded spots

[zealous goblet]

only classic logs, which is reading casts and thats it p much

dmg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AfmPkMR4dQyhT9Hc#fight=last&source=5&type=summary

lmk what you fellas think

general advice welcome

[robust urchin]

Use a better tabard

[deft mortar]

with roar I sim alot more in AoE over spear

[south zealot]

roar better for colossus

[queen hemlock]

hey there anyone knows how to fight 3rd boss in city of threads?
tried doing a 10 and everyone (except me) dies when he pluses the second time
there are orbs coming andif anyone grabs it they most certainly die during the pulse

[bleak breach]

Gets a shield if you don’t take orbs

Just a kill or be killed boss

[queen hemlock]

my point is do i tell people not to grab orbs during the pulse?

[toxic pewter]

everyone should be grabbing orbs

zero orbs want to reach boss

but I guess you as tank should take as many as possible

[lusty grotto]

first triggered correctly

but your shaman wasnt healing

[queen hemlock]

mm well let me list a few things
my team was
prot warrior
mage
warlock
dh
and a resto druid
we practially only have 1 invul to absorb the orbs during pulse
and even when i drop shield wall and SR i was almost dead due to the pulse
while my healer and 1 dps was almost certain to drop even without picking an orb

[lusty grotto]

top row is the last heal he did on you

2nd to last row is when it proc'ed

well there's a riptide in row 4 i guess

[queen hemlock]

the affix doesnt seem to help either
im not sure if its the resto druid fault or what not
and im not even sure if i can tank any more orbs beyond the first (stupid tank buster gives -30% healing debuff)

[lusty grotto]

your scarab was wasted there btw scatter

you panic used it

[zealous goblet]

yeah i did

[lusty grotto]

reactively

panic press healing pot, not a mit trinket after-the-fact

[zealous goblet]

we bricked a 12 like 10 seconds before

we keep trying to do the gorilla pull

into the gatekeeper

[lusty grotto]

btw it only proc'ed twice the entire key

[zealous goblet]

ye

any more notes for me big chief?

[toxic pewter]

a guildie just said people pay 15k gold to be carried in timewalking dungeons.. is this true or fake news

[lusty grotto]

the note is your shaman isnt healing and that you should press healing pot instead of a mit trinket

this one is a questionable proc

for real

was your shaman dead? let me check

jesus fuck

idk who he was healing but it wasnt you

nope he def wasnt dead

anyway have fun paging

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AfmPkMR4dQyhT9Hc#fight=last&source=5&type=resources&view=events&eventstart=1166770

00:38 and 10:44

[deft mortar]

Soloed Mythic 3 SoB first boss lol

[hexed delta]

I'm using what I believe to be the generic wowhead M+ talents, but I'm looking to drop something for Bitter Immunity this week, any suggestions on what I can/should cut

[inner wren]

dont drop for bitter

just impending victory and have ur healer finish it off

[lusty grotto]

bitter immunity is a 3 min cd, are you sure you want to do that?

[zealous goblet]

cheers big man

[hexed delta]

Am i sure? No. Am i tired of healers in low keys just not doing the affix on me? yes lol

[inner wren]

if they aint doin it on you then they probably aint doin it on everyone

so its still goin off

[lusty grotto]

i suggest you IV and/or health pot instead

[hexed delta]

That's fair lol

I kinda thought this might be the answer since i literally couldn't see anything that i'd want to cut for it, but I figured I'd ask thanks ya'll

[zealous goblet]

i know swarmlords is like, bis defensive, you think the taunt one did anything or is that a hard no

based off what you read btw

[plush pagoda]

is Swarmlord trinket good? seeing alot of people using it

[lusty grotto]

its ok

not the best, but the better one is not exactly farmable

so probably the best farmable one heh

[plush pagoda]

someone offering me 50k should i sell

[lusty grotto]

up to you

[plush pagoda]

true, thank you!

[inner wren]

maybe i should do delves for the stupid delve trinket

thats so tryhard tho

[toxic pewter]

just get hero version of it week 1 like me

[tulip remnant]

I’ve just been using my fury trinks and been vibing.

[lusty grotto]

all of this is hard to say

[deft mortar]

Uhh.. guys..

I sim more with barbaric training

in cleave obv

[long flower]

as a prot warrior what do yall do about the arcane slash in mists?

[tulip remnant]

I can’t get a timed mists run and it hurts me

[lusty grotto]

do you mean anima slash?

[long flower]

from the maze people

[lusty grotto]

reflect it and spell block it

[long flower]

is it blockable

[tulip remnant]

And hope to god my healer looks at my bars.

[lusty grotto]

__spell__blockable, anyway you can find more in the sheet thats pinned or 3rd link in #protection-faq

has a full list of blockables, reflectables, and spellblockables

[tulip remnant]

Oh my god, I’m terrible at this. I didn’t know the majority was spell blockable

[lusty grotto]

youre not terrible, you just didnt know

but now you know and knowing is half the battle

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-knowing-is-half-the-battle-knowing-battle-gif-25791425

[tulip remnant]

Nah, I just bricked an 8 earlier bc I died to some of those mechanics lmaoooo, got my 2k regardless tho

[lusty grotto]

oh

Funky left

[oak ivy]

Can you taunt rashanan during the cast

sorry,
If you taunt during rashanan's tank swap cast, will he still hit the other guy then swap to you for next swing

[shut summit]

Yes

[oak ivy]

🫡

Tryin to figure out the cadence of this in mythic is kinda wack

[drifting dagger]

1st pull of NW... just ur avg mage player

[zealous goblet]

hmm. if i use swarmgland, should i replace taunt refractor or swarmlord's i wonder

open to ideas

[lusty grotto]

kinda depends

if youre taunting regularly

refractor loses

[zealous goblet]

wait, like taunting as soon as the 1 min cd isu p?

[lusty grotto]

you complained about losing agro to one of your friends didnt you?

[zealous goblet]

aye

[lusty grotto]

are you sending shout

or taunt

[zealous goblet]

i use taunt since it's short cd

[lusty grotto]

cause youre activating the trinket with that taunt is my point

[zealous goblet]

and save shout for oh-shits

[lusty grotto]

so its never going to be up when you need it

does that make sense?

so in your specific scenario, swarmlord might be better

[zealous goblet]

and explain to me what might make taunt better

i thought i'd want to use it on cd

which now i say it out loud seems a lil weird

[lusty grotto]

well its a min cd

do you trust yourself with taunting to grab threat and activating refracting due to this

[zealous goblet]

i think so, yeah

actually, i have a log, and it happened once this dungeon, so i can see why!

[lusty grotto]

i mean

idk

i feel like refracting module is just inferior due to that

[zealous goblet]

i lost aggro during the 3rd pack into the necropolis, i can see what he casted, and what i casted

[lusty grotto]

activating when you least need it because you had to taunt

do delves

get a silken chain

replace those 2

🙂

[zealous goblet]

trying. i need to do bountifuls when i can

i want hero track or not worth

[lusty grotto]

yeah

feelsbad

hoping for a map and shit

[primal narwhal]

u can pray from vault too

[lusty grotto]

yeah but

that trinket aint being picked with full myth slots

maybe later in the season

[primal narwhal]

well then its time for the mines

delve deeper

and cry when u dont drop map

[toxic pewter]

best way to find a map is to not try and find a map

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[violet ginkgo]

damn well... have to wait from vault or map.

[violet ginkgo]

desire sensor?

[lusty grotto]

to be fair

whats important about that trinket isnt really track related

so champ is also fine

[zealous goblet]

to be fair if you want to keep your legs old man you'll stop being so smart and tell me what i want to hear

"your pretty. you did nothing wrong. yes, anthrax needed to be express mailed to blizzard hq"

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-looking-good-chin-up-marie-the-aristocats-gif-9021488

[violet ginkgo]

Oh while nim is still here, if we using mandate's active... can we still block? during that about 1 secs channel.

[lusty grotto]

no

its the same as beacon

and grieftorch

[violet ginkgo]

oh shoot means have to be careful on the timing for using it.

[zealous goblet]

wrong. send it. flame healer

[lusty grotto]

yeah just send it when youre not tanking or stun first

or while the mob is casting

[violet ginkgo]

I see I see.. btw am I crazy if I use it for first pull during raid? like timer on 1 secs then I start casting, when timer 0 and pull I dealt the damage.

[oak ivy]

M Rasha'nan:
2 Prot Warrior tanks
Thoughts on each eating a 2stack and atlernating that way? I find it lines up better with defensives

[lusty grotto]

you usually stagger it valk

cause it does more damage the less hp the target has

but

its fine to send it as you pull

[buoyant lintel]

does anyone know how stacking % damage reductions work

[lusty grotto]

multiplicative

[buoyant lintel]

so if i take 1000 spell dmg in def stance with spell reflect its 1000 x 0.9 x 0.8 = 720?

[lusty grotto]

1000 x 1 - [(1-0.25) x (1-0.16)]

25% for SR

16% for Dstance

[buoyant lintel]

ic ty

[lusty grotto]

let me double check my math though

[buoyant lintel]

i play arms but i figured the prot channel would know lol

[queen hemlock]

hey sorry i gotta ask, is there youtube channel i can watch for a +10 break down on all keys and bosses?

where they explain what they do etc

found myself not knowing how to complete let alone timing alot of these bosses

[left temple]

hi guys

I just did a +10 grim batol

i took a lot of damage and it hurt a ton

someone help me out???

what am i doing wrong here.

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats how its calculated

[zealous goblet]

is that shield block uptime?

[zealous goblet]

im sure im misreading that

[left temple]

guys please help me

agony

[buoyant lintel]

ty

[lusty grotto]

actually no i was wrong

[quartz dock]

Press shield block

[zealous goblet]

if this is 30% shield block then ye press shield block

[lusty grotto]

nvm im gaslightning myself

its right lol

its fucking late haha

maintain shield block yea

[left temple]

but i can't press shield block when i have a 2h on

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[zealous goblet]

are you a dps?

[left temple]

should i always be wearing a shield???

[lusty grotto]

how did it show up then?

magic?

[left temple]

i usually switch out sometimes

my group resummons me

[zealous goblet]

please use a shield

[left temple]

But then my damage won't be so high 😦

[lusty grotto]

ok well, youre not doing anything wrong, carry on

500% perfect breakdown and uptime

[left temple]

(for legal purposes that was very much not my buff summary)

but that was in a 10 grim batol

with a tank who was not wearing a 2h

[zealous goblet]

did u time it

[left temple]

genuinely may have been the single worst prot warrior i've played with in a real key

[lusty grotto]

apparently there's a lot of them

[left temple]

we absolutely did not time it

it was not close

[lusty grotto]

because someone linked a reddit post today with some garbage ass prot also in it

[left temple]

he pulled like a bitch

and still died repeatedly

[zealous goblet]

to be fair, many things are not clear for new prots. i say this as someone who had their mind blown like 4 times.
ignore pain stacking and purely being a rage dump
shield block stacking at all

i was exhausted because i used to think i had to track 8 sec shield block

[lusty grotto]

yeah but

new prots shouldnt be doing 10s

[left temple]

ok but

yeah

[zealous goblet]

true

[left temple]

he was almost 2500

[zealous goblet]

thats on whoever accepted that guy

[quartz dock]

Now you’re a based god and have a shield block + ignore pain macro

[zealous goblet]

wrong

i dont use ip sheild slam macro

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-mr-incredible-stretching-gif-17493480

im in my prime

[left temple]

the craziest part is like

he didn't even press avatar

i think he actually didn't press it once

[lusty grotto]

haha

[left temple]

no shield wall

[lusty grotto]

guy is deffo playing a different game

[left temple]

no demo shout

nvm

he pressed demo shout

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

this was linked today

kinda similar scenario

[left temple]

tbf

I doubt that was in a 10

that actually made it to the end of the dungeon

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a reddit post so its very unlikely

anyway yeah, goes to show yet again that io isn't indication of anything

not that 2.5k is high but still

[left temple]

i mean

it's enough to like

get into keys

more or less

[lusty grotto]

right

im not against io in anyway, just to be clear

but no system is perfect, is my point

nor absolute

[alpine shard]

http://puu.sh/KgAA2/c552fd0933.png

[lusty grotto]

there you go lol

[left temple]

i hate it here

[lusty grotto]

[urban portal]

whats the lore

behind this

[alpine shard]

bad pug tanks

[lusty grotto]

this is the reason we always ask for logs

and we instantly check effective SB uptime

[left temple]

or

i just open the spec tab

and switch to the broken tank spec

[lusty grotto]

is this why Funky left

did you guys bully his 2h build

[south zealot]

???

[lusty grotto]

lol

you didnt know funky did 2h tanking?

similar to nish's bleed support spec

[south zealot]

no i didnt know funky was griefing on purpose

[lusty grotto]

he did it with fyralath

but it was just vault keys

in DF

not in TWW, or so i hope

its a good meme

i enjoyed it

[grim pilot]

Someone said in the comments how details shield block/ironfur/sotr uptime looks lower for others than it really is

Idk how true it is but yeah

Apparently goes from 80-90 to as low as 10-20

[lusty grotto]

well its true, cause logs are more accurate

but not to that extent

[grim pilot]

No I mean

Like

[onyx vessel]

Nah those comments don't go looking for that info

[grim pilot]

Buggy

[lusty grotto]

nah

[onyx vessel]

They started complaining about the most dumb shit

[lusty grotto]

i havent seen anyone linking details here with garbage uptime

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

i would notice

[grim pilot]

Most people dont look

At their tanks uptime

Idk

[lusty grotto]

just that reddit post and whatever werhammer posted

[onyx vessel]

Mines like 80%

Or higher

[wooden widget]

Does details sb uptime include out of combat

Like running through halls and shit

[lusty grotto]

no

[wooden widget]

Oh ok

[lusty grotto]

neither does

[onyx vessel]

Build it up so high then go into next pack with shield charge

[grim pilot]

Details is entirely in combat

Thats why damage is higher for example

Than on logs

[wooden widget]

Oooh right

[onyx vessel]

Pretty hard to have poor uptime on block nowadays

[lusty grotto]

logs cut off after a timeframe

not immediately

but they do cut off

either way logs have effective uptime which is what is most important

[stable kiln]

i had a fun tank feedback moment in a 5 today

[onyx vessel]

The cd affix week is great for prot yet dps players crying

[stable kiln]

this week is poison totem affix wdym

[lusty grotto]

the cd affix was dogshit

[onyx vessel]

Last week was the good one

[lusty grotto]

no

haste is the good one

[onyx vessel]

This one is

Why is cd one bad

More dmg

[lusty grotto]

its not bad its just the worse one

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

cringe activation

and dr instead of just stats

which doesnt apply to all cds

like ravager

[onyx vessel]

This one got no shaman

This week spec bitter immunity

[lusty grotto]

why

[onyx vessel]

Dispel yourself

[lusty grotto]

you must be trolling

[jade tartan]

Yea he seems clueless

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

def a troll

"cd affix is the best one" lol

i mean jesus christ

[onyx vessel]

Why not

[lusty grotto]

"spec bitter immunity" LMAO ok

this one got no shaman

[onyx vessel]

Cleanse

[lusty grotto]

3 min cd cleanse

for 1 whole talent

[jade tartan]

Because the time it takes to kill that stupid girl, destroys every benefit

[lusty grotto]

good one

when you could just

heal pot

or IV

[onyx vessel]

Yeah why not no shaman do it yourself

[lusty grotto]

no you have no shaman

[stable kiln]

I am so lost

you guys don't do a shaman?

[onyx vessel]

[jade tartan]

Yo can do it yourself with last stand + iv instant. But it’s not an issue

[onyx vessel]

So using a cd for it

[jade tartan]

Which bitter immunity isn’t

[onyx vessel]

Bring another

[stable kiln]

the affix is

[onyx vessel]

It cleanses and heals after

[lusty grotto]

pay 25 bucks and swap to dwarf

[jade tartan]

You are as sharp as your discord picture sorry to tell u

[stable kiln]

non issue?

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

obvious troll

or really really stupid

[onyx vessel]

Or both

[lusty grotto]

nah

[onyx vessel]

I still this affix is worst

[wooden widget]

Do you guys ever feel like we’re posting at the bottom of an infinite ocean of text. With weeks and weeks and months and months of posts above us

You could scroll forever

And we’re at the bottom

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

sometimes

[stable kiln]

and yet, life found a way for you to type that

[onyx vessel]

This is the place where you get bullied if your bad by people who don't play wow

[soft aspen]

which embellishment for sword damage one or the stat increase

[wooden widget]

Do you mean focal lens and dusk/dawn?

[lusty grotto]

you cant do linings on sword

[soft aspen]

ya

[wooden widget]

You should check the faq

[soft aspen]

#protection-faq

[zealous goblet]

what is IV short for

[wooden widget]

Yeah so go for lens if it’s sword.

[onyx vessel]

Inpending victory

[zealous goblet]

OH

oops

[soft aspen]

Lens is only single target increase

[real fossil]

Alternating stone form and IV+LS 😎

[onyx vessel]

Or just bring a shaman

[real fossil]

I was in a pug with two shamans and 0 poison cleansing totems 🤡

[onyx vessel]

[real fossil]

You can’t even fathom

[onyx vessel]

I'd leave

[soft aspen]

On another note would say the main issue getting into 11-12’s you see the weakness in prot warrior start to become noticeable

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[onyx vessel]

Or let em die while you laugh

[soft aspen]

Unblockable damage is gg, and poor self sustain in higher keys

[zealous goblet]

rotate cds

[real fossil]

The main weakness is getting invited to a pug and it has nothing to do with class

[zealous goblet]

we have like a bajillion of them

[soft aspen]

won’t have cds up for every pull

[lusty grotto]

i wonder how prots are pushing 14s then

[zealous goblet]

i hope you do

[real fossil]

But you do!

[lusty grotto]

with subpar talents too

[zealous goblet]

shield wall is 50secs long, last stand, rallying, health pot, spell block

[onyx vessel]

Not alot of unblockable attacks if you add in spell block properly used

[lusty grotto]

i think he means bleeds

[real fossil]

Couple bleeds

Rock you

[onyx vessel]

Aug abusing

[soft aspen]

first pack of grim batol wants a word with you

[onyx vessel]

[real fossil]

Couple siege pulls are kinda ass too

[onyx vessel]

Well 12s are about to get alot easier will nerf to affix unless it got reverted

[soft aspen]

necrotic wake gatekeeper wants a word with you aswell

atleast it’s getting nerfed finally

[real fossil]

Spell block!

[lusty grotto]

you mean for the 3rd time

[soft aspen]

was overturned as shit

[lusty grotto]

not really finally

[onyx vessel]

And alot of them are using bsv

[soft aspen]

always someone dies to it

in a pug

[onyx vessel]

Btw

For 13s

[lusty grotto]

wall every 45s unless you playing scuffed double wall

deals very well with bleeds outside of dwarf

[onyx vessel]

Don't need damage if your ass is gonna die

[soft aspen]

yoda plays double wall

[lusty grotto]

thread over

[soft aspen]

how’s it scuffed

[lusty grotto]

alright im heading to bed

[onyx vessel]

Yoda also did a colossus run on a 13 dawn

[real fossil]

There should be a yoda exception

[lusty grotto]

yoda also made the most troll fucking guide in the face of the earth

[soft aspen]

i mean isn’t he considered one of the best why not copy his talents

wat am i missing

[onyx vessel]

Where link

[lusty grotto]

best doesnt mean at his class

[onyx vessel]

[wicked pollen]

[real fossil]

How bad would his build have to be to not time it with his group

Hypothetically

Say a 12

[onyx vessel]

Would have to be missing talents

[lusty grotto]

i dont wanna link it, but you can search for it

[soft aspen]

with his group so i assume you are saying his group are all top tier players

[lusty grotto]

would be giving more hits to that absolute garbage

[wicked pollen]

it means you are looking at something and blindly copying something instead of trying to formulate why he could have done something different

🐑

[lusty grotto]

they are all top tier players, that doesnt mean he plays warrior correctly though

[real fossil]

His group is also consistent with great players

[wicked pollen]

you can play wrong talents and still complete content

[onyx vessel]

I'd never follow his strats

[wicked pollen]

you are a 🐑

[real fossil]

You can be a good, even great, multi class tank and play an odd build

[lusty grotto]

if he can survive with whatever garbage build he has and time the key, that's enough

[real fossil]

It is possible

[onyx vessel]

Getting called a sheep for talking about yoda

[soft aspen]

i mean i timed 12 batol with his talents so

[lusty grotto]

thanks for proving our point

next comment

[onyx vessel]

[soft aspen]

u were saying his talents were shut

shit

[wicked pollen]

I play with shit talents and I time keys

[soft aspen]

[wicked pollen]

whats your point

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what i said

[toxic pewter]

They are shit talents

[real fossil]

Until you can tell me when the 2nd shield wall charge is used, you don’t know why that talent is chosen

[soft aspen]

tell me why double wall is bad

then

[real fossil]

Less wall; less rage

[soft aspen]

[wicked pollen]

you think critically

oh wait

you cant because you are a fucking sheep

🐑

[real fossil]

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

[soft aspen]

🕐

[onyx vessel]

So BSV isn't bad then?

[smoky iris]

What are good stat weights for prot

[toxic pewter]

[wicked pollen]

stat weights are outdated sim yourself instead

[real fossil]

[soft aspen]

[wicked pollen]

calm

hold

[real fossil]

Stack haste and not mastery

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

stop saying not mastery

or ill wake ghash up

[wicked pollen]

legit just sim yourself

you are being as bad as the yoda sheep

[real fossil]

Mastery isn’t bad, it’s just last

[onyx vessel]

Haste on everything rest of stats don't matter

[real fossil]

I’m mastery heavy cuz of fury gear 🤷🏼‍♂️

[onyx vessel]

Get 100% mastery like legion

[lusty grotto]

i almost got baited again

[onyx vessel]

Master baited

[real fossil]

[soft aspen]

you get trolled alot here should work on that

[lusty grotto]

hard to differentiate them nowadays

[onyx vessel]

Hey that was a viable strat in legion

To solo tank last boss

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre not wrong

[onyx vessel]

Someone told me this

[soft aspen]

@onyx vessel alright man stop trolling now you’re giving us real trolls bad rep

christ

double shield wall in your talents for sure

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/please-pray-donald-trump-speech-bubble-please-donald-trump-gif-9519662826781862517

[onyx vessel]

Not a troll was viable

[soft aspen]

sounds like shit ngl

[onyx vessel]

Nah ain't that troll always got the right one cd on block

Ain't running thunderlords tho

So I'm trolling

[soft aspen]

run colossus

yoda said it was good

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

its time for some rizz

[soft aspen]

im gonna try it in pugs if it sucks ill leave the key

[onyx vessel]

Extra button

[onyx vessel]

[boreal haven]

Good Morning Boys. Im getting abused to tank the M+ weeklys for my Guild.... Which Dungeons are scary ? Only ran Mists so far and there was literally only one scary Thing.

[soft aspen]

ive bricked so many pug keys ngl following yodas so called strata once i started running colossus i timed keys

feels good to be out of rio hell

[soft aspen]

depends

Are you running colossus

[real fossil]

[onyx vessel]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVBRFUgUVCWFBUBRNVVFEVQRFVZVUQCUEEVVVUCQQ

[lusty grotto]

dont forget Defender's Aegis

[boreal haven]

Ran both Speccs and liked MT more because of endless Rage.

[soft aspen]

What key level we talking here baby talk to me

[lusty grotto]

ok chill guys

[soft aspen]

We running 4s or what

Gimmie some more info

[boreal haven]

Just 10s

[onyx vessel]

Just 10s

[lusty grotto]

no dungeon is particularly scary, just take a look at the sheet that's pinned, so you know what to use on what hurts

[real fossil]

Oooo disrupting shout over thunder lord

[onyx vessel]

Better then me

[soft aspen]

trolling aside, MT is vastly superior

[waxen orbit]

What are we dick measuring about now?

[lusty grotto]

mines the smallest

get fucked everyone

[waxen orbit]

Move over bub

[onyx vessel]

Should be dropping the stam for disrupting

[real fossil]

All small versus yodas defending aegis

[onyx vessel]

[soft aspen]

yoda plays prot pally in 13s

i think it’s good

[waxen orbit]

Why aren’t you running Thunderlord?

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-beach-stroll-told-me-gonna-come-gif-15157521

[onyx vessel]

Doesn't matter what he plays he's going to time the key carried by group

[boreal haven]

Oh thx ! I will have a look.

[soft aspen]

kek

[onyx vessel]

[soft aspen]

his resto shammy

is insane

[waxen orbit]

Nim what the fuck

[onyx vessel]

Cuz dumb

[lusty grotto]

the only scary part about dungeons is not knowing

[real fossil]

…enduring alacrity?!?

[onyx vessel]

Ye

[waxen orbit]

Okay but it’s numerically superior in damage and survivability

[lusty grotto]

thats the true yoda man

[onyx vessel]

Don't need armor if you gonna die to bleeds

[toxic pewter]

Generally bloodsurge dropped for disrupting

[onyx vessel]

Rage gen lost

[real fossil]

Best way to time a dungeon is to int that dungeon and then not do the bad things you did

[soft aspen]

dawnbringer trash is pretty scary imo but that’s up to you to decide

[real fossil]

👍🏼

[onyx vessel]

I did in the grim I did

watched a shaman rip and die twice

[lusty grotto]

[onyx vessel]

Shoulda dropped earth ele on cds

[soft aspen]

grim batol isn’t that bad after running it everyday since m+ launch

[boreal haven]

How does this Weeks affix wirk exactly ?

[soft aspen]

cba with df dungeons though they are some absolute dog shit

[onyx vessel]

Its fun spell reflecting and running into all the tentacles

[soft aspen]

ah you can take multiple tentacles with spell reflect?

[onyx vessel]

Unless you forgot you proceed the reflect part

Then you get stunned

[soft aspen]

hm

[real fossil]

What is reflect able

[soft aspen]

why does that work

What is it reflecting lol

[onyx vessel]

Last boss tentacles you can reflect them

[real fossil]

You don’t ask questions about spell reflect interactions

[onyx vessel]

Doesn't proc it

[soft aspen]

How many tentacles can you absorb

And do they damage you

[onyx vessel]

Can run into a bunch

[soft aspen]

So many questions

[onyx vessel]

Probably

[real fossil]

They do 0 damage and as many as you can hit in 5 seconds

[onyx vessel]

Didn't check

[soft aspen]

kek

man

[onyx vessel]

It's on the reflect thing in discord

[soft aspen]

why does that work

[onyx vessel]

Well known

[real fossil]

You do not ask questions about why spell reflect does what it does

Like how you can intervene spell reflect the first boss of necrotic wake

[onyx vessel]

Kinda dumb but yeah reflect balanced

[real fossil]

And it does no damage

[onyx vessel]

[soft aspen]

Knew about this one yeah

[onyx vessel]

Doesn't it do dmg to you

[soft aspen]

Very op

[onyx vessel]

Never tried it

[soft aspen]

I don’t think you can spell reflect it though? Just intervene and the damage will go to you obviously

[onyx vessel]

Spell blockable

[real fossil]

Not enough damage to be noticeable if it does. Idk I don’t ask questions I intervene spell reflect

[soft aspen]

is there a spreadsheet with intervene uses

[onyx vessel]

Saves the squishy dps from getting damaged

[soft aspen]

i knew about some but you never know there are some weird sht with warrior this season

[onyx vessel]

I wish it was intercept again

With warbringer

[real fossil]

Safeguard

[onyx vessel]

Warrior nonsense bit sad we didn't get bladestorm

[real fossil]

I want safeguard back

Storm shield isn’t enough

[onyx vessel]

It's like a 400k shield

Safeguard saved all the surv hunters in sl

[zealous goblet]

friendly tip! dont forget to intervene your melee bros in NW while a marauder is casting his cleave so you can give him a crucial 400k magic shield from the casters!

cleave = downtime cast!

(meme)

[onyx vessel]

Yeah intervene the melee behind the cleave guy gets him killed

[zealous goblet]

yeah so the 400k magic shield can block one spell

[onyx vessel]

Cleaves the rest of the group

[zealous goblet]

u dum?

[onyx vessel]

[zealous goblet]

c:

i warn my friends to stay away during the marauder pulls

i sometimes need that fucker spun because of awkward patrol routes

[onyx vessel]

[zealous goblet]

near the double caster pack and the 10 fleshbags or whatever

near 2nd boss

[onyx vessel]

Pull a triple there

[zealous goblet]

aye

[onyx vessel]

[zealous goblet]

i do

[onyx vessel]

Run BSV cuz Yoda does

[zealous goblet]

yea but not because yoda does

my healer and dps friend held me at gunpoint

i did it to make them shoosh

:c

i miss shield charge

i feel like a neutered dog

[real fossil]

BSV is so fine and shouldn’t get the hate

[onyx vessel]

You dropped shield charge for it

[real fossil]

You mean ravage

[onyx vessel]

[real fossil]

Right?

[zealous goblet]

aye

no

shield charge is the better drop for it

[onyx vessel]

[real fossil]

[onyx vessel]

It's not shield charge hits so hard and generates most rage

[real fossil]

Ain’t no way

[zealous goblet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you right

[waxen orbit]

Hell no

Bro what

What level key are you doing??

[onyx vessel]

Don't need dmg if your dps kill it all for you

[south zealot]

dropping ravager or shield charge for it is ass

[urban portal]

just drop one of the stat nodes

[vale bobcat]

just wanna confirm but now that dstance doesnt have dmg loss, u guys sittin in d-stance for 10+ or battle?

[urban portal]

whatever you like

some people enjoy the 3% damage

[waxen orbit]

Pretty much yeah, except some bosses I swap to battle stance for phases where no dam goes out

And I can hit huge crits

[real fossil]

I have unbound my stance button because I can’t be bothered for 3% crit and forgetting to go back into dr mode

[onyx vessel]

So do people actually drop bloodsurge for disrupting

[waxen orbit]

No

[south zealot]

some ppl do yeah

[waxen orbit]

Lmao

[urban portal]

you gotta do what you gotta do to live

[vale bobcat]

i just hate dying in battle stance, feels like im throwing

[onyx vessel]

Same

[waxen orbit]

Legit so unnecessary

[south zealot]

wdym it makes you less tanky to skip bloodsurge

[south zealot]

if youre dying go to defensive stance

[onyx vessel]

Only reason you use too was cuz -10%dmg

[real fossil]

If this ever happens I’d suggest unbinding it and staying perma D stance

[waxen orbit]

It should be noted

Not 3% dam

[vale bobcat]

i just needed to know im not bein a sissy

: P

[waxen orbit]

+3% Crit

[onyx vessel]

You also lose 6% magic dr

[real fossil]

There are enough things to worry about and that’s not one of them

[tender reef]

Only if you skilled it

[ionic fern]

[onyx vessel]

Not skilling it for revenge

[tender reef]

Just put it in 10% revenge DMG

[onyx vessel]

Revenge does like nothing

[tender reef]

That's why I prefer collos

[onyx vessel]

I prefer unbinding revenge

[south zealot]

you never do that

[onyx vessel]

[waxen orbit]

Mountain Thane allows you to fulfill your class fantasy of playing like a fucking idiot /j

[tender reef]

Then what do you spend ur rage on

[real fossil]

Is there a dungeon people actually play disrupting shout or was that a meme

[onyx vessel]

I dont hit it often enough

[tender reef]

It's nice in COT ngl

[waxen orbit]

IP and you just press your buttons enough and cast fast enough that you’re constantly blowing huge outburst shield slams

[onyx vessel]

I do for every dungeon

Cuz lazy

[real fossil]

And you drop…thunder lord?

[waxen orbit]

I’m finishing 11’s with like 1.1mil doing that

[south zealot]

wdym lazy lol

[onyx vessel]

[waxen orbit]

Revenge does hella low dam

:/

[soft aspen]

cap

[tender reef]

Without ever using revenge ?

[south zealot]

you only drop bloodsurge for it if you want

but you shouldnt

you have to use revenge to apply deep wounds in aoe

[waxen orbit]

I can do another 11 NW and take screenshots of it if you want

It’s not hard

[real fossil]

I haven’t felt the need for a like 5th stop yet

[onyx vessel]

How do you manage sv last trash pack

[waxen orbit]

Rarely pressing it yeah

[onyx vessel]

Spell block and pray?

[south zealot]

dont pull them together

spell block

[soft aspen]

1.1 in nw hm

pugging or what

[south zealot]

1.1 in tnw is light work lol

[real fossil]

People pull those together? Lol

[waxen orbit]

Yeah that’s one of the highest damage potential spots here

[onyx vessel]

Or pull bothwith disrupting

[waxen orbit]

I could probably do higher if I had decent trinkets

[waxen orbit]

Yea

[onyx vessel]

I got bullied into using it

[south zealot]

by who

[waxen orbit]

Just don’t pug those of dull brain

[south zealot]

the talent sucks

[onyx vessel]

Not gonna tell you what he drops for it

Ain't gonna guess it either

[south zealot]

enduring alacrity

[onyx vessel]

The block one beside am

[south zealot]

yeah thats reportable

[real fossil]

[onyx vessel]

I told him that he doesn't listen

I've grown use to disrupting now though

I need help

[soft aspen]

can i see your talents?

[onyx vessel]

[waxen orbit]

It’s pretty much just Sense’s build

[onyx vessel]

Sense sheep

[waxen orbit]

Nah

[onyx vessel]

Good choice though

[real fossil]

Choosing the right sheep is half the battle

[waxen orbit]

If he does something wrong I’ll say it

That’s why I’ve not said Sense is doing it wrong

[onyx vessel]

He doesn't though

[waxen orbit]

Dude just knows what he’s doing

Yeah exactly

[onyx vessel]

Gigachad

[waxen orbit]

Not even glazing just acknowledging

[real fossil]

Is senses build the one on wowhead or is it something else

[onyx vessel]

Show for the people

[waxen orbit]

I’ll post in a sec

[real fossil]

Guessing like bsv and stamina nodes or something

[waxen orbit]

Absolutely not

Err, that's the high key build yeah

But like

The Sense build we're talking about

Where you can be doing ~1.1mil with no mythic raid gear

It's different

[soft aspen]

his build is solid even for higher keys

[south zealot]

high keys only refer to +12s or higher

[soft aspen]

im looking at it

yeah this build is viable in 12+

[waxen orbit]

This part

[south zealot]

before then play whatever u want

[waxen orbit]

I will admit that without raid gear, the hyper-defense build makes everything a LOT easier

And you can still do a lot of dam on it if you're good

[sharp gale]

Can someone pls post the talent build we are talking about

[waxen orbit]

(in 12s)

[real fossil]

So what’s the offensive build?

[waxen orbit]

Yes I am logging in rn

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVRFFUgEVGSFBUBRNVUVEVBRFVZVUQCVEEVVVUCQQ

This type of shit

[sharp gale]

Because I check on murlok sense he is a mountain thane, kinda curious of coloss build

[waxen orbit]

Colossus is raid build typically

[south zealot]

streaming colossus keys rn

[waxen orbit]

Screenshot

[real fossil]

It’s just a default build with itf am I missing something

[sharp gale]

That’s the default build yes

[waxen orbit]

Nah

[sharp gale]

With itf

[waxen orbit]

Yea

Nothing special going on

but people change shit a lot

for some reason

[regal elm]

Shredders in siege shouldn't exist, any +13 and up routes for siege?

[real fossil]

Oh lol ok

[sharp gale]

I got baited

[waxen orbit]

1. Correct
2. lemme drop one

[real fossil]

I basically run this and swap off ravager/revenge dam and bsv/magic talent depending on how I’m feeling

Except I don’t have pain and gain I use bounding stride instead

Gotta go fast

[regal elm]

What's the actual cooldown on invi pots?

8 mins? Or still 5?

[waxen orbit]

5 min

Same CD as combat pots

Shared CD too

[real fossil]

Didn’t they change that or was that just a rumbling

[waxen orbit]

They changed it and then reverted it

[real fossil]

I haven’t used an invis pot this expansion

[waxen orbit]

Because they are cowards

[real fossil]

lol

[soft aspen]

there arent many skips

that need invis pot

[waxen orbit]

At a 13??

Dude the mobs in Siege at a 12 and above fucking HURT

[real fossil]

I was gunna say the siege gun guys

[waxen orbit]

Shredders are fucking brutal

[regal elm]

Shredders need to be skipped if not running with aug + bleeding removes or eat floor

[real fossil]

And the bleed

[regal elm]

Funny thing, you can stop the cast but not out range it since it counts as a range attack (as far as I've tried lol)

[remote frost]

is there a list of good intervenable spells like the frontal of the first boss in necrotic wake?

[soft aspen]

are the shredders the soldiers with guns in siege before 3rd boss

i forget

[sharp gale]

The ones who does that

[ocean nova]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iR616hyvTTp2novHH?invite=cr-MSxZZU8sMTM2OTIyODc2LA

was this a justifiable crash out

[sharp gale]

[sharp gale]

Scary things happens

No bop

Big red arrow is not enough sometimes you know

[unkempt hazel]

xD

[waxen orbit]

Just almost 2 chested a 12 Mists with Bondd

Feelsgoodman

Only did 885k overall tho with the pussy build

[south zealot]

nice job carrying an old man

[sharp gale]

Which pussy build ?

[deft hinge]

i love that build already! whats the build?

[sharp gale]

I don’t know what is the pussy build but I do want pussy

I mean I want the build for science

[deft hinge]

🤭

[sharp gale]

Wait until someone creates a bbc build

[primal narwhal]

big burly collosus builds?

[sharp gale]

Maybe Big booty colossus build, I don’t know what would bbc stand for but I have a feeling it would be a colossus one

I feel like if I was a colossus I would love bbc whatever it would stand for

[lofty glen]

hey. i wanna tank some m+ with my warry. Played arms till now. how hard is it to get into warry tanking? i tanked with DK, DH and Monk so i know how tanking works but is it wort to try prot?

[primal narwhal]

warrior tanking is not difficult

my personal experience of all the tanks minus VDH is that its the smoothest

its just keeping shield block up, having ignore pain up

[lofty glen]

difficulty doesnt matter for me. so you say i should give it a try?

[primal narwhal]

yeah of course, if you dont try it, you wont know if you like it as well.

[lofty glen]

i also got like 615 gs dps gear so i shoud be fine in lower dungeons?

[primal narwhal]

and trying is free

[unkempt hazel]

apparently its hard for some

[primal narwhal]

if its lower mythic plus dungeons, you can do them to try it out

the issue that you will face as a new tank in m+

is knowing routes, knowing how to fix if someone butt pulls

and which defensives to pop during which pack

but thats a tank thing, not a warrior specific thing

[unkempt hazel]

just pull all

and press all defs at once

[lofty glen]

thats not the problem also not the problem with routes. as i sayed i am familiar to tank 😄 1st season i tryed dps 😄

[primal narwhal]

then its cool

warrior is very good

[lofty glen]

okay nice thx 😄 then i will give it a shot 😄 i also got a crap shield and crap 1h mace 😄 XD

[unkempt hazel]

ik warr was busted rn when I went into a tier 8 delve with freshly dinged warr and had easier time than on my 611 brm

[waxen orbit]

That's the logs

[primal narwhal]

if u are rich/desperate/lazy. can craft the 610pvp weapons/shield

[lofty glen]

yes thats the only think i tryed tank XD but i doont know how to obtain alot of rage to permanently shield block up and having ignore pain up

[lofty glen]

i am mor liek a grinding person. will grind some 3+ keys for weapons then 😄

[primal narwhal]

its ok, prot warrior is swimming in rage

[lofty glen]

oh okay 😄

[sharp gale]

Can’t you free upgrade it to 619 ?

[waxen orbit]

With my usual build this would have been probably like 1.1mil but alas

Was going for 2 chest route type shit

[unkempt hazel]

🤨

[waxen orbit]

So I played with the default 12 route

[unkempt hazel]

should be swimming in rage yeah

[lofty glen]

idk. only have maxed 2h weps does this effect also shields and 1h?

[unkempt hazel]

the only times im in a sutiation where I have no rage for sb is when i go way too hard on ip spam

but even that is a personal skill issue

[lofty glen]

well the only time i tanked earlyer with warry was in classic vanillas as fury prot so i have to find out XD

[unkempt hazel]

yeah if u have a 2h at say 619, then any 1h and shield should be free on crests

until that ilvl

[lofty glen]

is wowhead good for m+ talents or do we have other sources to get a goot build?

[unkempt hazel]

its fine