protection

[mighty valley]

tmi

[maiden forge]

Ye, something like that

[tribal wharf]

cuz i left before the patch this happened

[violet ginkgo]

m0 is +10 previously

[tropic tangle]

yeah, plus it's still only week 4? you and lots of other people are probably still getting used to the dungeon pool

[tribal wharf]

so im knee deep in the dead now

[violet ginkgo]

send knee pic then yogi

[zealous goblet]

george floyd gaming

[tribal wharf]

the joke is this

[zealous goblet]

nope

i've hijacked the joke

it's my own now

sorry bud

[tribal wharf]

my camera broke

also my phone and ipad and webcamera

[zealous goblet]

imposing your will on lesser men is fucking alpha as fuck

[tribal wharf]

aslo my flip phone

[jagged pier]

My point was this morning and ill say it again, u can run what talents you. But following top players blindly really makes no sense, ppl are coming in here and the streamers themselve say they are running the "tankiest build" when they are make literal less tanky choice in the talent tree themselves for instance they all take itf because 'it feels better to play' but it liteeally makes you far less tanky. All the top players are really showing is you can run what your want but its all about group success not down to talents or play. Its literakly can your group stop x amount of casts oer pull and deal and average of x amount of damage while the healer keep ppl alive

If you want to run bsv do it. If u want to drop rav for it do it. But understand why and what the repocussions are of the choices

[tawdry cloak]

Why does ITF make you less tanky? If you’re at 30-40% baseline haste, which they are, then this discord has said you can switch

[jagged pier]

Dropping ither rav or sc for bsv is not a good option they are both great

[tribal wharf]

I NEED A FERARRI TO GO 200 MPH BRO

IT IS FASTEST CAR WORLD

MOST COOL

[jagged pier]

They arent,

Ppl have come in here and said that they are recomending switching at 20%

Cant remebr who but more than 1 of the top ppl

[tawdry cloak]

Did 1.1m dps overall in a 12 ara Kara last night w/BSV, no ravager

[jagged pier]

Okay?

Good for you?

[mellow quartz]

And you would have done more with them lol

[tawdry cloak]

I wouldn’t have lived with them

Dying= less dps

[mellow quartz]

Why talk about your dps then?

[tawdry cloak]

Because these guys are decrying BSV for dropping ravager because it’s a dps loss, but it’s not if you live

[mellow quartz]

You doing 1.1m dps overall has no impact on the discussion then

[tawdry cloak]

I’d love to take ravager and do more damage, but it’s so much safer with the high key build

[mellow quartz]

Don’t get me wrong. I play BSV in 12’s as well.

[obtuse marten]

anyone knows if new devour affix heals 10% if any debuff is not removed or is it 10% for EACH debuff not removed

[waxen cradle]

Just gonna say this and you do you bro

[brittle tendon]

a lot of people seem to bring up the rage gen as well

I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to tell if WCL can track wasted rage dumps or not

[obtuse marten]

?

[jagged pier]

U can track wasted rage on logs

[mighty valley]

each afaik

wait

[mellow quartz]

Under resources

[brittle tendon]

you can track wasted rage

but does that take into account dumping into ignore pain if you're already at max ignore pain?

[jagged pier]

Thats not a waste

Thats goes into AM

[mellow quartz]

That’s not a waste lol

[jagged pier]

That literally reduces sw and avatars cooldown

[lusty grotto]

thats a gain

in both defensiveness and dps

which is why colossus needs to pump harder on revenges

and does

[brittle tendon]

ah that makes sense

[lusty grotto]

because offgcd rage consuming isnt huge on it

i.e. faster rage consumption

[violet ginkgo]

you still want to press IP even if you are at max because it reduce your SW and Avatar CD.

[tribal wharf]

does tyranical mean the webs on threads final mean the webs have more hp?????????

im pretty sure it does and god damnit if so

[lusty grotto]

usually yogi

[tribal wharf]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[lusty grotto]

totem bosses and tyrannical

[mellow quartz]

Dont do sub 10 keys so it’s all the same

[lusty grotto]

😦

just reflect it yogi

[mellow quartz]

Nah reflect the dot. Huge dam

[lusty grotto]

if you dont feel you have the damage

[violet ginkgo]

Yes but as Nim Said you can reflect it so you won't get root.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

its up to them to decide

[chilly brook]

I became fire dorf

[violet ginkgo]

For me I prefer reflect the splice

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

but if hes worried about the damage its worth reflecting

[tribal wharf]

son of a bitch i didnt know that

[lusty grotto]

otherwise reflect splice yea

[tribal wharf]

i know paladins can

fredom it away

[violet ginkgo]

well you can always avatar too if it happens to be ready

[tribal wharf]

the paladin spoke of doing that to someone

[lusty grotto]

meanwhile me

[waxen cradle]

I like to reflect on my life after playing WoW for too long

[chilly brook]

Orc chad

[waxen cradle]

I always come to the same conclusion though

[lusty grotto]

yeah until draks come out at least heh

[tribal wharf]

ya avatars as well, well, i guess blink, dh meta, sham ghost wolf?

probably cloak,

[chilly brook]

Can’t be Dracthyr monk

[obtuse marten]

It depends on comp. If your group can obliterate webs, just reflect dot. But if not, the web is likely the only thing that might kill you

[lusty grotto]

son of a bitch

well then orc stays

so is the only tank class capable of becoming lizards us?

[chilly brook]

It’s Hunter, rogue, priest, mage, warlock and warrior

[lusty grotto]

shame

its fine though orc is good

[tribal wharf]

orc dont get stunned and cool af only reason i would ever play an orc

but i like maghar more

[chilly brook]

You get stunned as orc

[waxen cradle]

yeah big as a Drak DK 😮

[tribal wharf]

well, its hugely less stun

[lusty grotto]

nah im just not swapping an alt unless i really like the race

[tribal wharf]

stun = DEAD

[chilly brook]

Not really “hugely”

[tribal wharf]

30%? 20%?

[chilly brook]

It’s certainly less

But

[obtuse marten]

20%

[tribal wharf]

hell, i dont want to be stunned 1 second

[chilly brook]

Then don’t get stunned

[tribal wharf]

totaly helpless gg once im stunned for 20 seconds

[obtuse marten]

The only reason I`m not dwarf yet is because i dont wanna deal with cross faction bullshit

[tribal wharf]

cuz, i cant move, i cant act, nothin,

[lusty grotto]

but we're past the point of caring about cross faction bullshit

[inner wren]

dwarves are chad

thats a fat

fact

FACT

[lusty grotto]

youre not queueing dungeons

[chilly brook]

There’s basically no cross faction bullshit unless you’re doing queued content

Which you shouldn’t be at this point

[obtuse marten]

I cant mail between cross faction characters, i think. I cant trade with my guildies, stuff like that

[lusty grotto]

also thats going away

[chilly brook]

You can

To both

[lusty grotto]

use your warbank lol

but yeah griff is right

[tribal wharf]

well, war will return to warcraft, im sure

[lusty grotto]

you cant mail cross realm

[obtuse marten]

Hmmm, dwarf inc (maybe?)

[lusty grotto]

thats a separate issue

[brittle tendon]

i be going into the rookery to trade with people in my party

[chilly brook]

Been able to mail cross faction since DF

[obtuse marten]

Main thing was trading cross faction outside of instance. Im pretty sure i cant tho

[lusty grotto]

yeah just do Rookery like Todd says

i do that as well

[warm plinth]

Yeah pretty sure that's still a thing. Gotta go to an instance

[lusty grotto]

for weapon enchant mats etc

[twilit lagoon]

is there acutally a way to play that heal/dispell affixe as prot? Impending Victory doesnt seem to be enough heal

[tribal wharf]

speaking of tod, and war, i would love to see a warcraft single player skin of not oblivion, but the next one that i cant think of the name of

STOP RIGHT THERE criminal scum

[obtuse marten]

bitter immunity

[chilly brook]

Dorf

[warm plinth]

Make someone else do it

Ez

[jagged pier]

Ls

U just help the healer with ither

They can heal the rest

U dont want to break them all at the same time anyway

And when one get broken it refreshes the buff

[jagged gust]

run with a shaman

[unkempt crescent]

Play 12s

[twilit lagoon]

my druid didnt outheal and did 2 dsispells in the whole run. we couldnt finish last boss dawnbreaker

[tribal wharf]

it seems like if u time it so u do ur rallying right after the xal debuff goes out that counts to healing it

[chilly brook]

Honestly true though, shaman poison cleanse totem is BiS

[obtuse marten]

If youre not a dwarf, should u play bitterm immunit? Yeas, no or depends on key?

[unkempt crescent]

You can’t track their dispels for it

[tribal wharf]

and thats instant cast for the whole party, costs gcd and im not sure of the timing on RC vs xal debuff

[unkempt crescent]

At least not on details atm

[tribal wharf]

i just do like, that, or LS + IV

[chilly brook]

I just use detox on myself

[tribal wharf]

whats important is u let the debuff apply

[jagged pier]

Its not a heal absorb or what the ppst says so u should just being healed through it

[tribal wharf]

and then "frame perfect" try to get the debuff healed

[jagged pier]

But u want to take bitter thans fine

[tribal wharf]

if u heal early, too bad

[jagged pier]

Whatever floats your boat

[tribal wharf]

u get no reduce the debuff

[twilit lagoon]

got it! 😄

[jagged gust]

honestly running with a shaman and rogue in my group has changed my worldviews this season

[tribal wharf]

TLDR tell your team to spam the fk out of "purge" (we had 2 shamans, so it fit)

when xal

[jagged gust]

nah no need to purge, poison cleanse totem works and is up for every affix

[chilly brook]

Just doing 11s and 12s have changed my view on this season

[tribal wharf]

which potion?

[chilly brook]

Holy fuck 10s are toxic in comparison

[tribal wharf]

i only got health potion

nothin else, maybe r1 tempered flask of the cheapo

[chilly brook]

Where did potions come up

No one said potion other than you yogi

[tribal wharf]

okay, i read poison cleanse as potion

[jagged gust]

potion cleanse lmao, fuck now that would be hilarious

[twilit lagoon]

purge also works??

[jagged gust]

any dispel works

[tribal wharf]

well, i asked the other day

[balmy canyon]

Breakpoint keys are always insanely toxic

[celest portal]

purge isnt their dispell lel, its cleanse spirit

[tribal wharf]

and someone replied with "any dispel"

so fuck

thats all dispells purge

[lusty grotto]

no

purge goes on hostiles

not on friendlies

[twilit lagoon]

yes, thats what i thought

but people here telling it works, so it confused me 😄

[tribal wharf]

purge can also be a health thing

purge body of whatever

[twilit lagoon]

huh?

how should that work?

[chilly brook]

It’s just 80% of the time you get shitters in the 10s you go to 11s and you’re just timing shit with no problem

[tribal wharf]

you drink vodka, you feel bad, so you puke it up, thats purging it

[jagged gust]

trust but verify when the name isn't a theorycrafter

[chilly brook]

There’s absolutely zero friendly “purge” spells

[jagged gust]

I'm right more than I'm wrong, but I'm definitely wrong

[chilly brook]

There are cleanses (friendly) and purges (enemy)

[dusky canopy]

I’ll purge your friendly

[chilly brook]

Or dispells (also friendly)

[chilly brook]

You can purge dis diq

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-dik-dik-cute-antelope-gif-17348234

[dusky canopy]

[jagged gust]

I hope that joke wasn't too subtle

[violet ginkgo]

I am tempted to post gif but... not sure if it is allowed here.

[elfin garden]

that might help alot of folks

[jagged gust]

as long as we don't start spamming them, or anything of a distastful nature, and it's not diverting attention from an actual discussion

[dusky canopy]

This guy thinks I’m talenting anything to help the healer

[elfin garden]

im not just a referance XD

fuck that talent im already starved

[jagged gust]

lmao @ warlock

"iunno health pot ig"

[tribal wharf]

need it in weak aura form personally

[chilly brook]

I would hate to see someone use diffuse magic on themselves just to remove the debuff

[dusky canopy]

Just have a shaman

[dusky canopy]

Ez mode

[tribal wharf]

i can tell this was written by warlock

[zealous goblet]

get mind controlled on last pack of grim batol then get purged nim come on man you know this

[lusty grotto]

true

[tribal wharf]

juiced healthstone is only something professional warlocks would know what it is

[dusky canopy]

You’re a “hostile” if you get mcd

Duhhhh

[violet ginkgo]

Ah yeah that reminds me that mind controll in last pack... how does it work? adds just randomly MC people or?

[tribal wharf]

dont stand bad

bad = mc

[dusky canopy]

Swirl on ground mcs

[tribal wharf]

literal that simpe

[violet ginkgo]

aaah so avoid the swirlies on ground and we good? huh simpler than I thought.

[tribal wharf]

ya, dont even fuck around with them

just move out and be sure you moved out

if you get it, you will probably instantly murder your team

[soft tusk]

why does it show like this?

[tribal wharf]

so its giga lose

[soft tusk]

For current season

[sweet summit]

blizzard entertainment

[tribal wharf]

if you get it, cuz they probably cant even hurt you easily, is worse

[lusty grotto]

mine is bugged as well since tuesday

[violet ginkgo]

bilzz want us to go back to DF raid.

[soft tusk]

I thought I woke up from a comma and we are forward to Season 4.. lol

[lusty grotto]

🙂

[ocean nova]

mine is bugged as well lol

[soft tusk]

Has anyone tried to go into any of those dungeons? lol

[lusty grotto]

im sure someone has

[jagged gust]

"Mythic difficulty is not yet available for this dungeon"

or something to that effect

[inland raft]

Imagine if wasnt just ui bug and keys were dropping for them.

The chaos as people would farm out items and blizz would then remove them

[tired forge]

how much healing should IP be doing?

healer says im not using it enouhg and i should be doing more than half his healing

is this true?

[sweet summit]

useless metric

[inland raft]

Very useless

[tired forge]

i know its not much

[soft tusk]

this much

[tired forge]

ok fair

haha

sorry ok i accept its a dumb question

[inland raft]

Build rage and spend rage on ip its healing will be whatever it is

[tired forge]

ya i thought i wsa doing that

[sweet summit]

depends on how much damage you take and how often you cast it

idk it's not real

just focus on blocked hits

and using cooldowns efficiently

[lusty grotto]

bruh ive been looking for a philospher's stone in dorn's for an hour

[sweet summit]

and not wasting rage

[dusky canopy]

Ip should heal at least 42.069%

[sweet summit]

and you're like 90% there

[dusky canopy]

Otherwise it’s bad gameplay

[tired forge]

i seem to be geting chuncked in 6s and 603, i am 2650io on my guardian druid so i feel like i know what im doing

so i may be missing something

[sweet summit]

do you have logs

[soft tusk]

from my last NW

[sweet summit]

i'd love to have a look

and give some concrete

advice

[tired forge]

ill run another key now and log, i havent been logging

[sweet summit]

what the hell

[tired forge]

but thank you

[dusky canopy]

Probably don’t have 42.069% vers

[sweet summit]

FbV and PnG

[dusky canopy]

Bummer

[sweet summit]

have not seen those in ages

[soft tusk]

It helps a lot in higher keys haha

[lusty grotto]

yeah

a 7% whole lot

psst they dont

[topaz bear]

Hey guys,
could you tell me if this trinket is somehow useful?

[nocturne spindle]

its not

[jovial saffron]

big stam 😮

[shrewd plinth]

My guilds been contemplating getting more offtanks ready in case our core tanks real life gets involved.

How bad are the two ansurek hits? I can do high m+ but I’ve never really eaten a massive raid hit

[sweet summit]

looks very very bad

[lusty grotto]

ez

for prot

[jagged gust]

FbV is gonna reduce your overall IP value as well

naturally

[lusty grotto]

liquify is spell blocked

[inner wren]

lol only stam and armor is wild

[nocturne spindle]

press spell block or shield wall

[sweet summit]

it doesn't, but if it makes you feel better sure

[nocturne spindle]

if you did that and die healers fault

[lofty veldt]

Hi friendly friends, I’m doing the raid right now and I’m sometimes ripping aggro from the cotank after the tank swap and dying from the 2nd tank buster 😦 should I stop pressing buttons for a bit when they taunt?

[dusky canopy]

Imagine the strength gain from that on use

Hollyyy

Sleepers

[shrewd plinth]

🙂 sweet, thanks

[dusky canopy]

No find a better co tank

[violet ginkgo]

your cotank need to press his button

[lofty veldt]

It’s a put

[nocturne spindle]

if you cant make them do more damage and they are for sure tanking yes press less buttons if not tanking. everyone here will tell you to get a better co tank

[lofty veldt]

Pug*

[nocturne spindle]

oh

kick their ass

lmao

[lofty veldt]

And they’re nice and trying to learn

Lmao

[sweet summit]

if it helps you kill the boss sure

but like

that should not happen (ripping aggro)

[dusky canopy]

TaNk DpS dOeSnT mAtTeR

Love those guys

[lofty veldt]

[shrewd plinth]

Need a threat meter to try to gimp yourself; or tell them to play more like a damage and hope that doesn’t get them killed

[violet ginkgo]

is this pug much lower ilvl than you?

[sweet summit]

threat meters are a thing of the past old man

[lofty veldt]

I’ll try to chill a bit

[lofty veldt]

10 ilvls below me

[nocturne spindle]

post the live logs

let us giggle

[violet ginkgo]

10 isn't much though?

[lofty veldt]

Can’t do live logs lmao

[sweet summit]

why not

[lofty veldt]

WCL isn’t working in my country without a vpn currently

[sweet summit]

gg

[nocturne spindle]

oof

[lofty veldt]

And a vpn will be fucky now

But I’ll upload the logs when we’re done I wanna see how I did

First heroic raid 😄

[violet ginkgo]

You know Fliixy yesterday we have someone here complaining about he is 10 ilvl below his cotank and he is ripping aggro from his cotank.

So him being 10 ilvl below you isn't that problem if he actually press his buttons.

[lofty veldt]

Sadness

[lusty grotto]

do you mean the guy with the brew valk?

cause they werent 10 ilvls under

[lofty veldt]

We’re doing nexus princess now

[lusty grotto]

the brew was just AFK

[tired forge]

dumb question but i havent logged in a while, i have the compainion app, i can just hit live log and it will go right?

[violet ginkgo]

I think there is 1 more person or is that the same person?

[tired forge]

do i need to do anything in game?

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[sweet summit]

you need to enable advanced combat logging in wow settings

[violet ginkgo]

I know we had discussion about the 636 weapon and 619 weapon but I felt like I heard another story.

[lusty grotto]

well the one i recall from yesterday was just a brew co-tank that wasn't even hitting correct spells, as Nish pointed out

[tired forge]

got it

i ryped /combatlog but no idea if thats needed anymore lol

[sweet summit]

depends on if you have any addons that enable auto logging or not

should get a message in chat saying logging enabled/disabled

[tired forge]

ok, dont think i do on this pc

[violet ginkgo]

I see I see... Btw Theoritically speaking let's say the Brew and PWar got same 619 ilvl and all slots are 619. Do Pwar has more damage compared to Brew? Let's say the pilot skill also even.

[sweet summit]

lowkey even or

[violet ginkgo]

raid wise

[sweet summit]

this is patchwerk 1 tar 5 min tww t1 bis

[violet ginkgo]

cause in key you are the only tank, hopefully ripping aggro never happen.

unless dps does burst on bad timing when pulling still happen.

[lusty grotto]

no

[violet ginkgo]

so basically the same dps, interesting, mind to post wider and cover the other tank erga?

[lusty grotto]

brew should keep up

[sweet summit]

simulationcraft.org

i closed the tab already

ggykw

[lusty grotto]

the only tank that can rip are dotc druids that kitty swap

[violet ginkgo]

ctrl+shift+T it 😄

[sweet summit]

good one

[crisp hedge]

Council, I bring you a question

Is the Ansurek ring good on prot?

[lusty grotto]

yes

all raid cantrips are good for prot

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah it is good.

[lusty grotto]

but of course if youre on a guild you dont wanna prio prot for those

[violet ginkgo]

plus bonus if you are thane because there is effect related to if deal nature damage can add extra stack.

[violet ginkgo]

btw I opened the page too.. am I crazy or blood DK not listed there?

[lusty grotto]

their APL is probably not up per posting

[toxic pewter]

ara kara first boss does viscious bite hit nearest target or something

i think i just killed a dk because I may of been out of range or something?

[strong forum]

maybe you lost threat

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

[tired forge]

unsure how helpful this will be haha the group was a bunch of usual +6s and we wiped on 1st boss and left

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WRJHx2vcj37qpPDm#fight=last

plus its araka so first set of trash is meh

but there it is for now hha ill try to share a better key later

[crisp hedge]

Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm saving prio as I raid as DPS, but ill be changing to prot sometime in the future, just wanted to be sure ill keep using it after i change

with the ring, rashanaans trinket gets a boost in use or nah?

seeing as it adds more nature damage for it to proc

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i can test

chipadin has both

chip doesnt have queen ring though

[crisp hedge]

ara kara egg is also nature dam, isnt it?

[vestal moat]

Do any of the ara kara minibisses at beginning force you to stay melee ? Sometimes I leap out to dodge a green circle and not sure if I got a melee killed

[toxic pewter]

rashanan trinket is nature dam yes

not sure about ara kara one i dont have that

[lusty grotto]

yes but that wasnt the question apb

[violet ginkgo]

that is.... I honestly dunno if nature damage from trinket also counts toward the ring but hey nim is there to test it

[lusty grotto]

the question was if it boosted it

[toxic pewter]

boosted the queen ring dam?

i have both cannot confirm though

seems like maybe it does

[sweet summit]

1 - your talent choices are very interesting. i recommend using the Thane M+ preset from wowhead
2 - you only got 80% blocked hits, aim for as close to 100% as possible
3 - you only wasted like 100 rage which is on the better end but aim for 0!
4 - your casts are kinda low 55CPM is definitely on the lower end. aim for at least 70
and it seems you got astrofucked by bad rng pugs wcyd xd

[violet ginkgo]

speeding up the stack building and yeah equal more damage.

[tired forge]

Oooo I thought maybe my talents were bad, I thought I ran an m+ tree from wow head

[tired forge]

What do you mean wasted? Not shield slamming enough?

[violet ginkgo]

but we dunno if nature damage said in the ring is from skill or if you have trinket that deal nature counts too.

I think it should affect right? I mean remember in DF we have the double fire ring and trinket proc it, helm enchant proc it too.

[sweet summit]

gaining rage when at 100 rage

is wasted rage

you need to press ignore pain

to avoid overcapping

[tired forge]

Ignore pain is on mouse wheel haha I think I stopped bc shield block was coming down and I seem to have an issue where I don’t have rage when I need to press it

What would I do in that case? Just don’t SS?

[lusty grotto]

if youre rage starving

youre not pressing SS enough

[tired forge]

Does shield block time stack? I think I’m waiting until it’s 1s left like a fool

[lusty grotto]

and youre mindlessly spamming IP

[sweet summit]

shield block stacks

[lusty grotto]

use IP at 70 rage only

[tired forge]

Oooooo ok I’m dumb

I was trying to have enough rage when it hit 1s left haha

[sweet summit]

no wait, i'm so sorry

i looked at the wrong column !!!!!

you only wasted a total of 100 rage

which is not too bad

but could be improved

[high wyvern]

Aside from Shaman, what other classes can AoE dispel this week affix?

[sweet summit]

priest

MD

[lusty grotto]

monk

revival

[tired forge]

Ok I thought I was doing ok lol

[lusty grotto]

all 3 cant get every single affix pop though

with their aoe tools

[sweet summit]

another small nitpick

in ara kara you can just run on your mount

[toxic pewter]

resto shaman is just too good this week

running without one just feels awful

[sweet summit]

you don't have to blow all mobility getting down the stairs

[tired forge]

Got it, I don’t trust pugs but I guess it’s fheir fault lol

[sweet summit]

fuck em

[tired forge]

Facts

[sweet summit]

okay i updated my original message, should be fine like that

go do a few more keys and then report back 🫡

just ping me if you want

[tired forge]

Doing 1 more now

As for apm, how can I get that up?

If I’m not getting ss procs

[inner wren]

we shoulda rolled prot palla bros

we messed up

[sweet summit]

press buttons faster/more often

[tired forge]

well ill do a full key now hopefully haha

[sweet summit]

good luck king

[wild spruce]

Is there syntax for a macro to swap based upon talent? Trying to get Champion Spear/Thunderous Roar on one button - but want to keep the cast @ cursor for Spear.

[tribal wharf]

almost too close for me

[neon elk]

Just have / cast spear@ cursor
/cast roar ?

[tribal wharf]

was starting to panic if i'd beat the key or not

[neon elk]

U dont plsy both at once so it will use one u have learned, no?

[lusty grotto]

/cast [known:Spell] Spell

err

its known sorry

[wild spruce]

replacing learned?

[lusty grotto]

yeah let me edit it

[tribal wharf]

surprised we made it

[wild spruce]

can you add @cursor to that?

[lusty grotto]

of course

[tribal wharf]

when i pulled like this

[lusty grotto]

just do a comma and add it

[tribal wharf]

thank god for blood lust and pumpers dps i suppose

[lusty grotto]

keep in mind i havent played with that so just test it

[wild spruce]

syntax wise is that like [known:Champion's Spear,@cursor] Champion's Spear?

[lusty grotto]

you need a default condition too

so like

/cast [known:Champion's Spear, @cursor] Champion's Spear; Thunderous Roar;

so that it has a default one

in case the known yields false

test it first though

[wild spruce]

Doing so now, cheers.

Okay, works - would #showtool show correctly if I added that?

[lusty grotto]

yea

just add it on top

should update on talent change

[wild spruce]

Testing, damn cooldowns lol.

Yeah, that part isn't working:
#showtooltip /cast [known:Champion's Spear, @cursor] Champion's Spear; Thunderous Roar;

Just shows Champ Spear icon and adds them back to bar upon switching

wonder if I need to do the known check for both

[tall lance]

Guys do you know if above 30% second stats we are soft capped ? I mean we will gain lower than expected if we continue to stack this stat

[tribal wharf]

what keys are high probability of deplete

in your eyes

this week or in general

[ornate thicket]

NW

[tall lance]

Stonevault and grim batol are the hardest from my point of view

[neat parrot]

its not % its flat, and yes diminishing returns exist, 19k haste i think so

[lofty veldt]

First ever heroic raid logs 😄 I’m excited to check them out later

[tall lance]

Thanks a lot

[neat parrot]

check true stats addon on curse forge

[lofty veldt]

I died in sikran but I didn’t in rashaan I wonder why I’m lower there

[jagged pier]

[tall lance]

I will thanks for the tips

[neat parrot]

taunt swaps done wrong

[lofty veldt]

Please the taunt swaps today scarred me for life

😭😭😭

[neat parrot]

2-1 in sikran if im not mistaken, you take 2, 2nd tank taunt take 1 and so on if i dont confuse the boss mechanics

[lusty grotto]

yeah you take the same one

but not different ones

dbm/bigwigs will probably tell you when to taunt accurately

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah the 2x Expose and Phase lunge, 1 tank take 2x expose the other Phase lunge.

[lusty grotto]

and dont be scared cause there will be more combo swaps during this expansion, theyve been in every tier since SL

[violet ginkgo]

sort of like rashok right? but this one is more static.

[neat parrot]

pretty much

[dusky canopy]

Bring back Molten Core

Same raid/bosses new mechanics

[merry trout]

guys, yesterday when i did mists +9, in the maze, i ended up with 2 of the dudes who do this slash attack that can be spell reflected

[lofty veldt]

@lusty grotto the thing that happened is I’d rip aggro after the swap so I ended up dying a lot on nexus princess

😞

[merry trout]

i got nuked to hell and died 3 times

they hit thro all my defensives, spell block, rally, etc

[violet ginkgo]

you definitely forgot to pop your spellblock

[merry trout]

shield wall

i got nuked to hell

spell block def didnt work

[violet ginkgo]

I thought reflect one and spellblock the other should be enough?

[dusky canopy]

Did you have shield block active?

[lusty grotto]

rashok was one of each, not the same one btw (same as guardian)

[dusky canopy]

Did you get hit in the back?

[merry trout]

reflect worked but they casted them back 2 back

[lusty grotto]

so its different than rashok

[merry trout]

wait, does that matter?

[dusky canopy]

Absolutely

[merry trout]

oh fk

[lusty grotto]

you cant block from behind

[dusky canopy]

You do not block from the back

[merry trout]

that might be the reason

[violet ginkgo]

if you get hit from back you can't block

[lusty grotto]

that applies to spell block

[violet ginkgo]

wait now the question is... how did you get hit from back?

[merry trout]

damnit, i was trying to run like hell, thats probably why

[violet ginkgo]

what did you do

[merry trout]

trying to intervene to healer and run 😛

[dusky canopy]

Never run fully turned around

Use strafe keys

[quasi pivot]

I reflect one, shield block on pull if there's 2, and try to stormbolt one if both cast simultaneously to desync them.

[lusty grotto]

for what

[neat parrot]

reflect, sb, ip sb demo, sw ls reflect thats how i do it in 11-12

[lusty grotto]

if youre talking about guardians, they have anti-sync

[quasi pivot]

Anima Slash. AOE stops tend to cause casters to sync up their recasts which can just global people

[violet ginkgo]

for anima slash Nim

[lusty grotto]

they will never be sync'd

they have anti-sync

otherwise we could reflect both at the same time

[quasi pivot]

I've definitely had guardians cast either back to back or at the same time but not perfectly synced

[lusty grotto]

would be benefitial for us

yes back to back is normal

[jagged pier]

SW -> SR -> spell block -> SR -> LS & IV -> SR

until SW is back

tbh on a 10 im just tanking the first one SRing the second

[true plover]

Are there any other niche cases for intervene in M+ like 1st boss of NW?

[lusty grotto]

and guardians are lieutenants they cant be stunned

[jagged pier]

SW'ing the next 2

spell blocking

then SRing

packs then dead

[quasi pivot]

Damm, well I need to adjust strat then, thanks for info.i didn't notice that

[violet ginkgo]

Hmmm thx for the tips too Jakey.

[jagged pier]

the only time ive died to the them is when the healer just doesnt bother to heal me

[quasi pivot]

I keep getting really subpar DPS in 9s/10s that makes the packs last way too long

I see bursts of 2-5 mil on mists first packs on videos then my groups are barely breaking 1.5mil

[violet ginkgo]

btw this first one you take... how much did it does to you without the heavy defensive?

[jagged pier]

i dont really notice it

cause your just taking melees

so like 30% maybe

then as u SR the next

it does no damage

healer has time to adjust

u can just SW the first 2

and then take 1 and SR the 4th

then go into spell block

if u want

[violet ginkgo]

30% health wow that is quite scary, but thankfully for healer the next few sets is no heart attack as there is SW and Spellblocks

[jagged pier]

thats a guess

i really dont notice it

u got like a max ip rolling

sb up

the rest doesnt do much damage so u mitigate it alot

[tired forge]

ty @sweet summit ! easiest key yet haha i felt so much stronger... I changed talents and knowing i can overlap sheild block made it a breeze

[jagged pier]

plus SRing the second covers the dot from the first

[dark barn]

Dracthyr's Glide OP? Race change in 10.0.5?

[jagged pier]

[tired forge]

https://warcraftlogs.com/reports/H4dPjtGw1hT7MDFX

[jagged pier]

i mean the knockback or stun might be the op one

[lusty grotto]

you dont get both anymore

just 1

only evokers get both

and its a longer cd

[jagged pier]

well thats why i said or

[lusty grotto]

glide can be fun though

[tribal wharf]

i wont be re-rolling to dragon

[hollow falcon]

my dear warrior brothers should i craft a third item or upgrade this?

[tribal wharf]

might re-roll to smething

[dark barn]

With glide you can run in a straight line 25% faster

[jagged pier]

nither save the crests

for myth track version

[tribal wharf]

like race wise, for pwar

[hollow falcon]

it is myth track

[jagged pier]

then that should be insta upgrade

u shouldnt craft items apart from eblishments

if u get myth items easily

its a waste of crests

[hollow falcon]

yeah idk if i should craft third embelishment

[jagged pier]

u cant have 3

only 2

[hollow falcon]

rlly?

[jagged pier]

yes really

[hollow falcon]

OHHH

thanks brother

instantly done thanks Jake!!!

[dark barn]

Thats a lot of haste

[hollow falcon]

haste and versa are bis bro

[dark barn]

Haste and crit*

[hollow falcon]

https://murlok.io/warrior/protection/mm+

[lusty grotto]

oh christ

not this again

[hollow falcon]

its my first season idk

sorry

[lusty grotto]

versa is not bis

[hollow falcon]

why not?

[lusty grotto]

because all stats are good

[wicked pollen]

because it does not sim the highest

[lusty grotto]

and crit is slightly better

[dark barn]

Your tier set procs with critical hits.

[hollow falcon]

did i forgot to read a pinned message?

[lusty grotto]

you forgot to read the proper guide

#protection-faq

[wicked pollen]

no you just blindly followed a site that aggregates data

[onyx hearth]

Yoda just did a 14 with colossus, this guys is nuts

[lusty grotto]

versa is good, you just dont want to stack it to kingdom come

[hollow falcon]

hmm idk about a wowhead guide

heard only bad things about it

[lusty grotto]

ok?

but nome writes it

[onyx hearth]

at least for m+, top warriors are stacking Hast > Versa > Crit

[lusty grotto]

and mwahi writes the icyveins guide

look at users in this channel right now

[jagged pier]

i mean 12% vers is 6%dr its not gunna do much

[hollow falcon]

yeah thats why i thought murlok is bis site for stats

[lusty grotto]

ok this seems like a troll

[jagged pier]

no stat after haste does much of anything

[lusty grotto]

so im just gonna back out

[sweet summit]

hell yeah love that

[hollow falcon]

bro im not a troll, just a noob

its my first season

[onyx hearth]

I'm not sayint they are right, just saying what is happening

[hollow falcon]

I only know Critcake

[violet ginkgo]

well crit only occasionally play prot.

mainly on fury/arms

[lusty grotto]

crit follows Nome's advice

[onyx hearth]

Yoda

[lusty grotto]

not maxroll

or murloc

[onyx hearth]

Kira

[lusty grotto]

whenever he plays protcake

[jagged pier]

bro maxroll is fine its a copy and paste of wowhead

[lusty grotto]

we

we're well aware

[jagged pier]

they change a few very small things

[lusty grotto]

ah

i thought they were snapshotting it

just noticed its a murloc snip

[jagged pier]

murloc is just aggragate data

which is

well it is what it is

[violet ginkgo]

Yoda's is fine whatever. But Kira is actually sacrificing haste for versa.

[wicked pollen]

[hollow falcon]

yeah but if the top 50 players are doing haste > versa > crit

[lusty grotto]

i dont know how someone could say "yoda" here when the guide he posted is such garbage

[onyx hearth]

Yoda is a very strange subject, he defies everyone and are the best prot

[hollow falcon]

then there should be a valid point, no?

[lusty grotto]

no

[sweet summit]

he posted a guide? on youtube?

[lusty grotto]

youre trolling

[lusty grotto]

its a document, choco posted it a while ago

[sweet summit]

@south zealot

give

[wicked pollen]

you have to be so lacking in how data works

[onyx hearth]

Yoda is playing without Spell block and alacraty, thats nuts to me, and using colossus

[wicked pollen]

#protection message

why do you talk about yoda

[south zealot]

am worke

[wicked pollen]

like he is god

[south zealot]

workge

[inner wren]

i have a dream that people will one day stop talking about secondaries

[lusty grotto]

Gio linked it

[violet ginkgo]

he like to put burden to his healer I see..

[sweet summit]

thank you

[lusty grotto]

have fun erga

[wicked pollen]

@sweet summit

🙂

[lusty grotto]

your brain will melt

[hollow falcon]

hy

why

[onyx hearth]

not saying he is right tho, but kind impressive

[wicked pollen]

will i get timed out if i flame or

https://tenor.com/view/please-pray-donald-trump-speech-bubble-please-donald-trump-gif-9519662826781862517

[lusty grotto]

dont flame him

[wicked pollen]

what about the 2nd guy

[hollow falcon]

be contstructive bro

[lusty grotto]

the other guy you can flame

[hollow falcon]

lets be a nice community

[lusty grotto]

the powerful guy is clearly trolling

its so blatantly obvious

[onyx hearth]

Everybody know Nimchip is toxic, its his thing

[wicked pollen]

because it just blindly gathers data without any context

nah i cant

ill get banned

[lusty grotto]

rank 1 key players do what they must to time their keys, sometimes they do good decisions, sometimes they do irrational ones that make no sense to us.

everyone else follows on those decisions, copy pasting without context, none of the players under them are playing the same key levels and/or seeing unexpected scaling

it snowballs, those that copy pasted below them, get copy pasted by others below

just because 50k people decided to drink the kool-aid does not mean its right

that applies to talents

and to stats

[dark cosmos]

Powerful didn't even say it was right, he just said it was happening lol

[inner wren]

need a top warrior to clear a 14 with a timewalking stamina trinket so we can have people flood the discord with trinket discussions

[elder bay]

I like kool-aide

[onyx hearth]

Its a warrior discord, everyone is screaming here, you can't be nice screaming

[wicked pollen]

and you cant be that stupid

like

THINK

[lusty grotto]

he has name dropped yoda since he started talking

today at least

[dark cosmos]

Ok?

[wicked pollen]

he is a sheep

[dark cosmos]

What is that supposed to mean

[wicked pollen]

🐑

0 critical thought

[elder bay]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-dj-hunts-shivering-sheep-baaaa-gif-5167561624548843499

[lusty grotto]

it means this #protection message

[echo egret]

What do you reply when people tell you this or that trinket is top on Archon but ranked C on our wowhead list ?

[dark cosmos]

I just don't get how commenting on what a top warrior is doing is trolling, not everyone here magically knows the ins and outs of whether or not if it's correct

I sincerely don't understand this convo

[lusty grotto]

well its C, not outside of the list

so its fine

[lusty grotto]

noted

[sweet summit]

i agree :3

[simple drum]

Is Stormrider’s Fury the move for our weap enchant? It seems to sim way way higher than any other weap enchant on Bloodmallet

[wicked pollen]

did you see the guide :3

[sweet summit]

i'm still digesting

[simple drum]

Sorry that’s was for 5 man Patchwerk, my bad!

[tired forge]

Trying to main swap to my war, do you think it’s foolish to catalyze champ gear? Seems I am not pushing hero gear past 4/8 right now anyway so maybe it’s the move to get caught up faster?

I only run m+

[lusty grotto]

eh not really

but

youll get more charges

[hollow falcon]

only do hero gear bro @tired forge

[lusty grotto]

its entirely up to you

[sweet summit]

our tier is not strong enough for that imo

[hollow falcon]

dont waste the charges at the start of the season

[tired forge]

I guess I can wait to farm 7s

[lusty grotto]

i was getting to that erga 😦

[tired forge]

I’m being impatient lol

[wicked pollen]

its 4 weeks in

it doesnt matter

the tierset is so shit

[tired forge]

Thanks all, I’ll wait until 7s

[lusty grotto]

like erga said, the tier isnt that strong

so its not a priority

[hollow falcon]

the crests seasonal limit is too low

[lusty grotto]

but

you have enough charges anyway

so its entirely up to you

[merry trout]

ok yeah i just did another +9 and got nuked to hell. 2 Guardians in middle of all other adds, casting back to back, spel reflect to mitigate 1 hit and face take the other, spell block for the 2nd wave of hits. 3rd wave of hits, im dead, shieldwall, rally and every single cd i have doesnt work

so will i have to rely on dps to take one guardian down asap?

[hollow falcon]

get the spell reflect WA

[lusty grotto]

reflect, then wall the other

then spell block both

[violet ginkgo]

Put it simple Depth or Radiant is good, but if you exclusively M+ choose radiant

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to rely on dps to burn one down

[hollow falcon]

reflect - block - wall - reflect

[merry trout]

wall doesnt work

[lusty grotto]

spell block lasts for both

[merry trout]

ton of hp dissapearing

[lusty grotto]

wall def works

[merry trout]

oh

[dusky canopy]

Are you maintaining shield block

[merry trout]

guess ill have to gear up a little then

[lusty grotto]

why would you say it doesnt?

[dusky canopy]

And spending rage on IP

[merry trout]

they are eating thro the wall

[lusty grotto]

huh

[merry trout]

yeah i am

[lusty grotto]

shield wall

is 40% damage reduction

there's no eating through it

[merry trout]

hmm

[wicked pollen]

show a log

[violet ginkgo]

well bonas maybe log will give clearer view

[tired forge]

Link?

[violet ginkgo]

gio and nim can help you review it.

[terse hollow]

eyyy i finally won the cape 😄

[lusty grotto]

gz

[robust surge]

What trinkets should i run with in m+ got a few to choose from

[wicked pollen]

woah

[robust surge]

oppressive orator or spare meat hook or voidpacts

[wicked pollen]

im not prot reviewer

[shrewd plinth]

Swarmlords when do you use it? Right before the hit? After the hit? On cd dps ooga booga style?

[lusty grotto]

for those 3, and strictly for M+, sim 5 target patchwerk for 1.5 mins

or 1 min

[robust surge]

okay thanks @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

its an absorb, so preventative

[shrewd plinth]

👍 thank you

[merry trout]

aight

willl log the next run

[dark cosmos]

Ya I try to keep it on cooldown but I do save it for dangerous spots like i'll rotate it with other defensives if its a high damage pack etc

re swarmlords

[pale wadi]

is it worth taking bitter immun this week and if so what do I drop ?

[dark cosmos]

shaman job

[lusty grotto]

not worth

[dark cosmos]

(unironically)

[lofty veldt]

okay gamers!

[pale wadi]

yeah didnt think it was worth so I wont ty 🙂

[lofty veldt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MyCGadHpD8rLAf1Z#fight=14&type=damage-done how should i go about looking at this log

[dark cosmos]

feel free to literally race switch to dwarf though

thats never bad

[dark cosmos]

Well what are you trying to ascertain

[lusty grotto]

what are you looking for

[lofty veldt]

let's see

actually

i should compare my log to someone else right?

to see shield slam casts and compare

[lusty grotto]

your SS is fine

casts >

[dark cosmos]

why you dont just say what youre trying to find out

[lusty grotto]

17 CPM is pretty solid

[lofty veldt]

@dark cosmos honestly brother man im not exactly sure where to look yet

im still new to prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

ok but

[dark cosmos]

Well whats the problem though, you smell me?

like do you think youre doing too little damage?

[lofty veldt]

oh what can i do better

[dark cosmos]

do you think youre taking too much damage?

[lofty veldt]

i didn't think i was taking damage

actually

rage management possibly

[dark cosmos]

ok well we can easily look at if youre overcapping or not

it looks like youre overcapping a ton haha

oh sorry sorry

disregard i loked at wrong thing

had different log open

[lusty grotto]

youre sending way too many outbursts on TB

[lofty veldt]

ah okay

@lusty grotto how did you see that

[lusty grotto]

im trying to figure out if you did it on adds

[lofty veldt]

D:

[lusty grotto]

because if you did, its fine

[dark cosmos]

You dont overcap much, just to be clear.

[lusty grotto]

but if you were up

you shouldnt be dropping outburst on TB on ST

[lofty veldt]

fair

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MyCGadHpD8rLAf1Z#fight=14&type=damage-done&source=9&sourcebuffs=386478

[lofty veldt]

i tihnk i had cases were SS was on cd and im and i have outburst ready and TB is off cd

[lusty grotto]

if youre under though, by all means send the outburst on TB against adds

[lofty veldt]

then i should revenge in that case?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

pretty much

[lofty veldt]

okay noted

okay so you clickedd on me in damage done and clicked violent outburst

[lusty grotto]

yea

[lofty veldt]

and then the casts on SS and thunder blast are the casts that happened when i had violent outburst

correct?

[lusty grotto]

correct

[lofty veldt]

nice

oh

i think i didn't have SB up a lot

[lusty grotto]

aside from that i see nothing specifically wrong

nah

its a raid

88% is fine

[violet ginkgo]

I think his cotank guardian druid is experiencing this.

[lofty veldt]

but won't it buff my shield slam damage?

[lusty grotto]

sure but since you run ITF in raids

88% is expected

[lofty veldt]

oh

okay great

[lusty grotto]

most of it looks decent

[sweet summit]

a lot of subjective feelings and anecdotal evidence in this guide !!!

[dark cosmos]

interesting...

[lusty grotto]

well

the bear is running elune for some reason

instead of dotc

so hes not gonna do a whole lotta damage outside of being under

[shrewd plinth]

Maybe swap out of defensive stance when you can sneak it? Or is d-stance 100% good?

[sweet summit]

100% dstance is fine

i cba swapping

[dark cosmos]

ya i aint switching to battle stance in 2024

just being honest

[inner wren]

aight can someone link me a log or tell me the m+ rota prio for colossus, is it like slam prio > rage dump revenge > only tclap for debuff?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[inner wren]

kk

[lusty grotto]

thats exactly right

ideally you want that

and send demolish at 6+ stacks

after that it'll always be up with 10 stacks

natty

[inner wren]

got it, okay cool

wowhead guide doesnt really say anything about colossus m+ so had to guess

[lusty grotto]

ideally with cds too heh

[inner wren]

thanks for clarification

[lofty veldt]

so i was looking at one of our wipes in nexus princess

i found it and it made me sad

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MyCGadHpD8rLAf1Z#fight=35&type=threat&start=10417146&end=10460381

[tacit fulcrum]

Hello
Is there a reflect WA that tell if i can reflect the spell casted on me ?

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

[neon elk]

Is there any alternative to wowanalyzer ? Or will is someone working on that one so its usable ?

[grim pilot]

I wouldnt recommend sr wa as tank generally

[graceful kite]

why wouldn't you sr 1st

so you get next sr sooner

[lusty grotto]

abelito started doing it in DF but never finished so im guessing its open

[neon elk]

And i guess there isnt alternative to it , right ?

[lusty grotto]

no alternatives, no

[neon elk]

Rip, guess i have to learn how to read logs

[dark cosmos]

anyone know what this castbar weakaura that kira has is?

[lusty grotto]

causese probably

[tired forge]

why just bc it may not be the best cast to use SR on?

[grim pilot]

yes

[jagged pier]

yes basically

[grim pilot]

I dont use it as dps either but that's just my preference

But I definitely wouldn't recommend it for prot

[dark cosmos]

Ya i feel like I pretty much need to have my SRs preplanned

and there arent really a ton to remember

(not counting just reflecting random bolts for value)

[lusty grotto]

it could be causese, but it can also be bigwigs bars modified

[tired forge]

i just got it now so i can start to know what i CAN reflect lol

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/twwdungeons try it

[dark cosmos]

i dont think its this one unless theres a setting i need to change, i have this

Ill look around more

[lusty grotto]

it could also be his own WAs

[dark cosmos]

Could be ya

[lusty grotto]

just ask him

[dark cosmos]

he redirects me to patreon haha

[lusty grotto]

he doesnt bite hehe

oh

i guess its his own then

[tired forge]

pay up!!!

[lusty grotto]

dono walled

[dark cosmos]

ill just dono im a kira simp i admit it

[tribal wharf]

null slam is tank thing right

[dark cosmos]

what EVER

[tribal wharf]

healer 1 shot by it

guess its a not aggro thing

[lusty grotto]

i dono to naowh and dorki

i like naowh's ui

and i think dorki is great

fyi that doesnt mean i follow their prot advice

[dark cosmos]

I just like kira's calling, hes very professional (even if he sometimes makes mistakes)

[lusty grotto]

yeah kira is an exceptional lead

[dark cosmos]

very clear etc

[lusty grotto]

doesnt do that rage "no comms" bs that nerf does

[dark cosmos]

Its funny listening to him after a while it sounds like a dad with a bunch of teenagers

"crims..."

"crims...."

"CRIMS...." "ok ok"

[lusty grotto]

yeah hes def 3rd for me

i get what youre saying haha

[tacit fulcrum]

Thank you

[pastel remnant]

any good build for queen heroic? default mountain build raid? just looking for something tanky we are on prog on her

[lusty grotto]

any raid build should be fine

remember you can spell block liquify

[tacit fulcrum]

Spell block is this one ?

[lusty grotto]

there's no talent set that you need to be tankier, just know what to press and when

since its heroic

[lusty grotto]

yes thats spell block

[vague abyss]

Im liking those weakauras instead of the Bigwigs one, i actually went and hided the bars

[tacit fulcrum]

I play in french, don't know wich one is block and shield 😄

[lusty grotto]

remember spell block doesnt really do much if shield block isnt up though