#protection | Skyhold | Page 1171

copper jolt Oct 10, 2024, 8:51 AM

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Thanks mate

wintry gate Oct 10, 2024, 8:52 AM

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you always want to have shield block up 100% of every fight you take

hearty stump Oct 10, 2024, 8:52 AM

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Is there any way to pull the extra mists maze pack at the start of the maze as a warrior?

wintry gate Oct 10, 2024, 8:52 AM

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I got a weak aura bar for both of them and just spam my shield block, and use charge/shield charge/thunderclap to generate rage for ignore pain

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 8:52 AM

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Dps shammies can also do it, it’s a pretty fotm class so you can usually snag one

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 8:53 AM

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hearty stump Is there any way to pull the extra mists maze pack at the start of the maze as a...

Don’t think so ( ask your dps friends only

wintry gate Oct 10, 2024, 8:53 AM

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I’m doing +7s ilvl 592, which is pretty low but as long as you have your defensives up and you play around that you are really tanky

hearty stump Oct 10, 2024, 8:53 AM

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vale karma Don’t think so ( ask your dps friends only

dang

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 8:54 AM

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I haven’t had success pulling the extra pack before second boss either, since you need 40 range ability

muted arch Oct 10, 2024, 8:55 AM

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Anyone got a good profile for omnicd?

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 8:55 AM

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The moment you move as tank after pulling "DPS:WORST TANK EVER CAN YOU STOP MOVING"

you don't kite the next pack and die "DPS:WORST TANK WHY DO YOU DIE NICE DEPLETE DELETE GAME YOU MORON"

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 8:56 AM

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Bah who cares about dps yapping

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 8:57 AM

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The "everybody can do mechanics" are the worst.

Because everybody wants somebody to do it so nobody ends up doing it

green frost Oct 10, 2024, 8:58 AM

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vale karma Bah who cares about dps yapping

Just run Colossus to shut them up by doing more damage than most of em. warriorbrain

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 8:58 AM

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Worked fine till +9-+10

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Then you just die

green frost Oct 10, 2024, 8:59 AM

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That is indeed true.. Thane just feels so goddamn sturdy

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 9:00 AM

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I mean in pugs, in Teams I do think Colo is better.

But also dependent on dungeon and gear and everything else

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:30 AM

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Anyone else dealing with issues with shamans lightning ripping aggro? Like even mid pull

azure dagger Oct 10, 2024, 9:31 AM

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Hi protpals. Which healers do you like/dislike most excluding shammy. I wanna level one.

azure dagger Oct 10, 2024, 9:32 AM

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shy trout Anyone else dealing with issues with shamans lightning ripping aggro? Like even ...

If they tempest 2 or 3x in a row due to rng it might happen

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:33 AM

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Okay so it’s a design fail. I was wasting a way every taunt ability I have and it was doing nothing while they ate him alive

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 9:34 AM

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Idk monks in pugs maybe? I think disc is considered the second best but I find my random disc priests often struggle to top the group up

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Otherwise pallies

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:34 AM

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So far worst has been priest pallies and occasional Druid.

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 9:35 AM

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Yeeh I don’t get druids, they spent have the time in form so you can’t even see their mana lol

fathom robin Oct 10, 2024, 9:35 AM

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We avoiding crafting the shield at this point? Or worth?

azure dagger Oct 10, 2024, 9:36 AM

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shy trout Okay so it’s a design fail. I was wasting a way every taunt ability I have and i...

If it's enhance there's a 20 percent chance for their maelstrom to not be spent so if they spam like 4 Max spenders in a row they might get aggressive. Can't think of anything else

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Shield isn't recommended for first 2 but if you have spare sparks and no good shield, may as well

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Recommended list is an ideal world

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 9:36 AM

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And pres is just non existent, I think I only run 2 keys with them

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In m+

fathom robin Oct 10, 2024, 9:37 AM

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Yeah I'm lacking a good shield drop 😐

azure dagger Oct 10, 2024, 9:37 AM

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Yeah there's no problem crafting it if you have resources that wouldn't go better els3whete. But remember the first boss drops a shield so you could try mythic raid pug

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And pray

azure dagger Oct 10, 2024, 9:38 AM

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vale karma Idk monks in pugs maybe? I think disc is considered the second best but I find m...

I was thinking about disc and pally. Mist seems difficult

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:38 AM

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First and last boss drops shield

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So pugging shouldn’t be too hard if you pray hard

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Time walking drops a shield

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And there’s a rep vendor that drops a veteran shield

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 9:40 AM

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Time walking doesn’t drop myth track shield tho

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I am guessing he is talking about 636 shield no?

silent sphinx Oct 10, 2024, 9:40 AM

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realllly feeling those rage regeneration nerfs from thane :/

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:40 AM

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Oh you want myth 😂 good luck

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I settled on hero, if I get better I get better but I hold no breath

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I’m still rocking adventurer sacbrood because a better won’t drop

tall lance Oct 10, 2024, 9:42 AM

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Hello guys,

For +12+ which trinket is the best one ?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=219314/ara-kara-sacbrood

Or

https://www.wowhead.com/item=225638/spelunkers-waning-candle

Wowhead

Ara-Kara Sacbrood

This blue trinket of item level 437 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted and a quest reward. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: The War Within.

Wowhead

Spelunker's Waning Candle

This green trinket of item level 400 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted from Hulking Raptorial Claw. In the Trinkets category. Always up to date.

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:42 AM

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Sac

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 9:42 AM

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shy trout I’m still rocking adventurer sacbrood because a better won’t drop

Have you simed it? Is a random hero track 619 trinket not better?

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:42 AM

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Ever sim, sacbrood is higher

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It’s broken 😂

tall lance Oct 10, 2024, 9:43 AM

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I mean for tanking, as the candle give you parry.
I just would like to have a better resistance to trash mainly

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:45 AM

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What build are you running? Wowhead or yodas +12

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https://youtu.be/fqVV3d4nzTI?si=Zw2tI36ElnCX0ByV

YouTube

YoDaTV

In-Depth Protection Warrior Guide for The War Within in M+

https://twitch.tv/yodatv - come watch me live! I stream all the time.

Tactician is called Revenge! now, doc is edited. Not sure if it was always called that..

Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:21 Talents
06:03 Stats
06:43 Trinkets
07:09 Embellishments
08:00 Cooldowns
13:12 Defensive Rotation
15:21 Offensive Rotation
16:56 Utility
18:09 Macros

Prot W...

▶ Play video

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 9:46 AM

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Is maxroll guide any good?

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What’s the consensus?

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:46 AM

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Post it?

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 9:47 AM

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https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/protection-warrior-mythic-plus-guide

Protection Warrior Mythic+ Guide

Protection Warrior Mythic+ Guide for WoW The War Within, Talents, Rotation, Embellishments, Gear, Races and Stat Priority in Patch 11.0.

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https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/protection-warrior-raid-guide

Protection Warrior Raid Guide

Protection Warrior Raid Guide for WoW The War Within, Talents, Rotation, Embellishments, Gear, Races and Stat Priority in Patch 11.0.

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It’s echo branded, but probably just for marketing

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 9:49 AM

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Those are same as wowhead essentially

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Maybe some differences I can’t tell

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It looks good

robust urchin Oct 10, 2024, 10:03 AM

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shy trout What build are you running? Wowhead or yodas +12

I wouldn't run a Yoda build in a -2

shy trout Oct 10, 2024, 10:08 AM

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robust urchin I wouldn't run a Yoda build in a -2

Why? The 2 shield charges and last stand shield proc are pretty useful

muted arch Oct 10, 2024, 10:10 AM

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Anyone else having latency issues rn?

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14,000 world ms lol

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 10:12 AM

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what the

neat parrot Oct 10, 2024, 10:12 AM

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is it just me who has 5% vers? should i work on it to get it higher or i can sit on 28 crit with 35 haste ( unbuffed)

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 10:13 AM

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Stats dont matter

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 10:15 AM

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Is there a list of hard hitting spells / busters in M+ that are reflectable?

obtuse spindle Oct 10, 2024, 10:15 AM

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yeah but realistically you probably want to be running the spell reflect essentials weakaura

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 10:15 AM

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is that reliable?

obtuse spindle Oct 10, 2024, 10:16 AM

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very

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 10:16 AM

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nice

obtuse spindle Oct 10, 2024, 10:16 AM

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except for the right side trash right before third boss in necrotic wake

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don't reflect him

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 10:16 AM

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this one? https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

Spell Reflect Essentials (TWW)

Original WA: https://wago.io/IkerOKywU Tells you when to reflect in Dragonflight dungeons and raids. Triggers only when

obtuse spindle Oct 10, 2024, 10:16 AM

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yup

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 10:17 AM

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Wait why not? I think it doesn’t spawn a puddle if you reflect him no?

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You are talking about the rot aura guy right?

obtuse spindle Oct 10, 2024, 10:17 AM

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yes

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unless it's changed, reflecting him makes it so instead of dropping the pool, he gets a damage aura on him

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 10:18 AM

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Oh lol, didn’t know

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Ty

magic abyss Oct 10, 2024, 10:19 AM

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hi friends, is there any specific reason as to why colosus plays roar over spear?

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 10:19 AM

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anyone also has a minimalistic WA for tracking shield block and ignore pain uptime? I see only very bloated packs

obtuse spindle Oct 10, 2024, 10:20 AM

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there's some super basic ones on wago if you just look at prot warrior section

fierce pier Oct 10, 2024, 10:20 AM

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obtuse spindle unless it's changed, reflecting him makes it so instead of dropping the pool, he...

uhh doesnt he always have the aura and the spit makes the target area do the aura he has?

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 10:21 AM

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magic abyss hi friends, is there any specific reason as to why colosus plays roar over spear...

The robot said it is better.

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 10:21 AM

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Bip bop

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https://tenor.com/view/robot-bot-chougne-pamela-chougne-touzeil-gif-17895123591590285079

Tenor

magic abyss Oct 10, 2024, 10:21 AM

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helpful

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did wonder if it was something to do with the hero talent, but that's just rend dot right

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so wasn't sure why roar would be better specifically for col, where it's not for MT

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 10:24 AM

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does the Discharged Anima weapon in NW still do a shit ton of dmg? or really just used for interrupt now

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 10:24 AM

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It does some damage, I think on 10 for double marauder pull + necro it did about 12mn

obtuse spindle Oct 10, 2024, 10:26 AM

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fierce pier uhh doesnt he always have the aura and the spit makes the target area do the aur...

I think it doubles up on the aura or something. Not sure, I'll have to check the next time I'm in there

strong forum Oct 10, 2024, 10:29 AM

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magic abyss hi friends, is there any specific reason as to why colosus plays roar over spear...

Lines up with demolish for buffing dmg, so you increase dmg from bleeds via roar + demolish buffing dmg again

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Also lines up with demo shout to yet again, buff dmg

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 10:30 AM

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Can you get away with colossus in 9s? Wanna have some fun ( or need more gear?

strong forum Oct 10, 2024, 10:30 AM

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Easily

magic abyss Oct 10, 2024, 10:38 AM

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strong forum Lines up with demolish for buffing dmg, so you increase dmg from bleeds via roar...

oh okay, so the bleed dmg increase from roar + demolish dmg increase + booming voice + Arterial bleed = big dot dmg during that window?

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but with the CDR of demolish, is there ever a time when they dont line up? do you sit on demo for the dmg window?

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 10:41 AM

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vale karma Can you get away with colossus in 9s? Wanna have some fun ( or need more gear?

What's your ilvl and do you pug or not ?

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Issue is your extra DMG doesn't make or brake the run if the DPS suck it won't work, if you pug the already low chances of a success go even lower.

So I'd tell you better do mountain, if you just want some fun and don't care about successfully timed keys then have at it

vapid sage Oct 10, 2024, 10:45 AM

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Might be a dumb question, but the single target rotation has Thunder Blast above Shield Charge on 2+ targets. On single target, does it just share priority with Thunderclap?

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 10:46 AM

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No thunderclap is lower

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It's on 11

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Even lower then SS

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 10:48 AM

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Yes, in single target you just clap as one of your lowest priorities. Whether it's blast or not doesn't matter in this case.

Just in AOE you'd want to thunder blast on a higher priority.

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 10:51 AM

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Ah I think I read wrong too, no Thunderblast Is also for single target, outburst proccs is higher prio though, depends on range from you to boss I guess

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But stationary DPS mode, SS proc > Thunderblast > SS. Imho critcake

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 10:55 AM

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Eh, it'll usually work out as SS > Thunderclap/Blast. Don't think there's much difference there, to be honest, but I'm just a scrub on the 'net anyways. chatting

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 10:57 AM

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Well thunderclap is way below either of those 2 just use as filler for cooldowns

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Thunderblast is the big boy attack

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 10:59 AM

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I currently have no access to data, so it's just feely-wheely, but SS seems to perform better in ST for the most part. Also generates more rage, which is kinda the whole point.

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Don't feel like googling values and formulae for damage calculations, my apologies.

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 11:01 AM

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tender reef What's your ilvl and do you pug or not ?

621, pug

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if you get violent outburst proc and SS is on cd for like 2-3 more seconds, if it worth sitting on Thunder blast proc and not use it on it?

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ST scenario

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 11:03 AM

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vale karma 621, pug

For 9 should be easy but really hard to find good groups 😅😅 for 10s could get harder I tried 3 times was horrible went back to mountain man after that.
But in 8s I had a great time

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:03 AM

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Fish for a proc with Revenj.

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 11:03 AM

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But with 610 so maybe u could have a netter time also was 2 weeks ago so people should be better

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I'd say go have fun collos way better to play than mountain

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:05 AM

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In AOE you can just blast. It'll do more damage, but generate less rage than SS.

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Else, using outburst with clap / blast would still be better than sitting there like a lemon for 3 seconds, I'd say.

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 11:07 AM

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Yeah but we are in a 1v1 situation, SS is up and Thunderblast just proccs, what do you press ?

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I'd press the blast

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:07 AM

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SS, then TB.

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Unless I've already got two stacks. Keep in mind, TC and TB reset SS as well, so it keeps the entire thing rolling.

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 11:09 AM

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Yeah not so easy 😅 hope you enjoyed it @vapid sage

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 11:12 AM

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have you guys started dropping Heavy reprocussions yet? I saw Quazzi do it

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but I kinda like having 20+ seconds of SB 😄

tender reef Oct 10, 2024, 11:13 AM

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The haste thing ?

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I think I had it from the start keks

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:14 AM

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Heavy repercussions is the safe choice, ITF is less reliable until you hit around 40% haste.

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You can roll with ITF from the get-go if you want, you can definitely play around it.

cosmic canyon Oct 10, 2024, 11:16 AM

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hr is really good even with high haste. reliability is important

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 11:16 AM

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orchid gulch Heavy repercussions is the safe choice, ITF is less reliable until you hit aroun...

40%? sheesh, I have 22% atm

cosmic canyon Oct 10, 2024, 11:16 AM

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you can play itf & bolster

wicked pollen Oct 10, 2024, 11:17 AM

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or you can play hr

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:17 AM

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vale karma 40%? sheesh, I have 22% atm

That's when it allows you to have a reliable 100% effective uptime on SB in a way HR would allow.

It's just something to be aware of when playing ITF.

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 11:18 AM

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U can run itf in dawnbreaker whenever u want

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:19 AM

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If nothing melees there's nothing to block, I guess. Caster bonanza, that one.

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May contain some slight exaggeration.

silver flame Oct 10, 2024, 11:21 AM

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When crafting weapon what embellishment is the best for m+?

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:22 AM

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Whatever sims best.

shrewd ore Oct 10, 2024, 11:23 AM

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still 2x dawn/duskthread

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:23 AM

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For weapons, usually ascendancy and the double stats macguffin.

Recommended is double lining, but it doesn't go on weapons.

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Does go on shields though.

teal linden Oct 10, 2024, 11:30 AM

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Can anyone explain the thought process of going Fueled by violence instead of brutal vitallity?

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 11:34 AM

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🤔

orchid gulch Oct 10, 2024, 11:35 AM

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Take either. It's a forced node, both nodes are mediocre at best, but FbV provides some actual healing and scales with the number of targets.

Both are quite neglible.

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 11:35 AM

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fancy seeing u here searash chatting

teal linden Oct 10, 2024, 11:36 AM

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likewise @unkempt hazel

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I see, I took a look at my overall healing it did in a +11 mist, rougly around 7% which was 80m

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 11:45 AM

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how solid are talent builds from like icy and wowhead right now? im starting to get into thatl ike 9-10 key range and seriously doubting everything haha

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 11:47 AM

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Very

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They are what u should be running

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 11:48 AM

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perfect, i was being fancy and yoinking from like murloc n stuff

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 11:49 AM

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critcake

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 11:49 AM

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still just mountain thane for everything?

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 11:50 AM

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U can play ither at those levels perfectly fine

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 11:50 AM

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i dunno im definitely feeling squishy in 10s at the moment

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 11:51 AM

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"those levels" T_T some of us are struggling to do all 10s

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:51 AM

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btw is double pull in mists cursed now

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it has 3 guardians

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:52 AM

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vale karma "those levels" T_T some of us are struggling to do all 10s

it doesnt change much

woeful trellis Oct 10, 2024, 11:52 AM

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Which one u mean

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:52 AM

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on a 10 level you need proper play with your class

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thats pretty much it

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 11:52 AM

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terse hollow i dunno im definitely feeling squishy in 10s at the moment

Then its likely you might be doing something wrong, would need logd to find out tho

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 11:52 AM

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jagged pier Then its likely you might be doing something wrong, would need logd to find out ...

cant i just blame gear and move on? haha

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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blame healer

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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In 11s I still mitigate like 80% of the damage myself meaning I really dont take much damage

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Curious how much it changes in 12s tho

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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its 30% more damage

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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Wasnt it 20?

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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you still mitigate most of it

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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terse hollow cant i just blame gear and move on? haha

Not really no

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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well keys scale by themselves too

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

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Ah true

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:54 AM

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im not sure about scaling rules now if theyre flat or not

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 11:54 AM

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jagged pier Not really no

damn

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:54 AM

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but usually every key increase is harder than previous one

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you still should be fine

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:54 AM

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Will prob get to 12s this weekend with my group

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Lowkey excited

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I also wonder for how long our holy priest will be able to keep up lmao

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:55 AM

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should spec disc

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disc pumps

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:55 AM

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well yeah obv

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But she doesnt really wanna get into it

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Which is fine imo

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:55 AM

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true but its not hard in keys

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:55 AM

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Also nice to see how far you can go with offmeta stuff

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 11:56 AM

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and having a 500k dps healer is very nice

narrow hull Oct 10, 2024, 11:56 AM

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tardy abyss I also wonder for how long our holy priest will be able to keep up lmao

Statistically speaking not much longer lol

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:56 AM

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narrow hull Statistically speaking not much longer lol

mhm

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 11:56 AM

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when do i get crests from raid bosses that i didn't loot, i forgot to loot 1 boss from yesterday's raid, received Nerub-ar finery when i logged in today, but still no crests

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:57 AM

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Best holy priest is 2877 rio, thats not even bad

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 11:57 AM

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They should be in mailbox, or u were already caped so u didnt get anything

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 11:57 AM

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jagged pier Not really no

what if im rocking full explorer 1/8 gear hmm

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 11:57 AM

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i 100% was not capped and im not capped even now, i didn't get them in mail

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 11:57 AM

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chatting

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 11:58 AM

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I thought you have to loot them in raid or they disappear?

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 11:59 AM

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You dont have to

boreal haven Oct 10, 2024, 11:59 AM

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Hey Guys. Did my first Keys these Days as Prot. How is Col compared to MT DMG wise ? I did 900K overall as MT and dont really know where im standing with these Numbers and if Col is better dmg wise.

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 11:59 AM

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vale karma I thought you have to loot them in raid or they disappear?

well, it would have been pretty stupid if that was the case

charred ivy Oct 10, 2024, 12:02 PM

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i have a question. i crafted 2nd item today with dawnthread lining Crit. but im not getting crit from the 2nd. You cant have 2 of same or is it something else buggy?

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:03 PM

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charred ivy i have a question. i crafted 2nd item today with dawnthread lining Crit. but im...

If you get into a loading screen or something it should show the proper value, it definitely works

charred ivy Oct 10, 2024, 12:03 PM

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i have relogged since

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:03 PM

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Try entering an instance

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 12:04 PM

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charred ivy i have a question. i crafted 2nd item today with dawnthread lining Crit. but im...

Get sime dmg below 80% then heal back up and it will show correct value

charred ivy Oct 10, 2024, 12:05 PM

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kk will test ty 🙂

pallid quiver Oct 10, 2024, 12:05 PM

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neon elk Get sime dmg below 80% then heal back up and it will show correct value

This; chuck yourself off cliffs for a bit

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:06 PM

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what's your second favourite tank if you played any other specs?

charred ivy Oct 10, 2024, 12:08 PM

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neon elk Get sime dmg below 80% then heal back up and it will show correct value

this worked ty xD

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 12:10 PM

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Np

copper jolt Oct 10, 2024, 12:15 PM

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vale karma what's your second favourite tank if you played any other specs?

Prot paladin , divine toll visual+ audio is so awesome

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 12:19 PM

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one nice thing im seeing about the SV tank trinket is that its affected by versa, and providing 2.4+m shielding, and the shield lasts for up to 30 seconds on a 1 minute cd

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doesnt just go away in 8 seconds the shield

strong forum Oct 10, 2024, 12:24 PM

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boreal haven Hey Guys. Did my first Keys these Days as Prot. How is Col compared to MT DMG wi...

Depends on the key

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I do on average 1-1.1mil dps in keys as either hero tree
Little less in siege cuz pulls are kinda tiny

onyx vessel Oct 10, 2024, 12:27 PM

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blast

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 12:27 PM

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damn I have yet to do 1 mill overall

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as dps critcake

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 12:28 PM

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garms

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 12:28 PM

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peepohide

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 12:28 PM

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so warrior tank vs nar zhuda fort week, how the hell is this playable haha

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 12:28 PM

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just

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kick

onyx vessel Oct 10, 2024, 12:28 PM

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play tank with a aug in 10-12s pull 2-4 packs with a good group not pugs

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 12:28 PM

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and reflect

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and so on and so forth

onyx vessel Oct 10, 2024, 12:29 PM

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keksquad

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 12:29 PM

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onyx vessel play tank with a aug in 10-12s pull 2-4 packs with a good group not pugs

sadga

onyx vessel Oct 10, 2024, 12:29 PM

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warrior

unkempt hazel Oct 10, 2024, 12:29 PM

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pugs are my only choice

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its joever

wicked pollen Oct 10, 2024, 12:30 PM

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make friends

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 12:30 PM

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sweet summit and so on and so forth

i mean i cycled everything i had

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its just not enough

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i assume blame pugs for bad stops and move on with my day

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:34 PM

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strong forum I do on average 1-1.1mil dps in keys as either hero tree Little less in siege cu...

is that with aug?

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or on your own, Cause I struggle to do more then 600k without aug (

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:34 PM

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I went from a mac champ shield 619 to an imen crafted 636 shield and it feels night and day survival wise

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 PM

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terse hollow i assume blame pugs for bad stops and move on with my day

It should never deal enough damage to be even dangerous at all

lofty warren Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 PM

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how can use spell reflect on last boss GB?

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 PM

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Even with missed kicks

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 PM

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well i was getting absolutely trucked by bolts

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even cycling through every defensive i had access to

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 PM

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hm

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 12:36 PM

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and it was only an 8

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:36 PM

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lofty warren how can use spell reflect on last boss GB?

You can reflect the tentacles

nimble grail Oct 10, 2024, 12:36 PM

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can we also spell block them ?

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:36 PM

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no

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well you can probably spell block the damage part? but it will stun you

nimble grail Oct 10, 2024, 12:37 PM

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alright

high wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 12:37 PM

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Do you guys run Bitter Immunity to help with dispel this week?

nimble grail Oct 10, 2024, 12:37 PM

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high wyvern Do you guys run Bitter Immunity to help with dispel this week?

i use dwarf

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:37 PM

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high wyvern Do you guys run Bitter Immunity to help with dispel this week?

Yes, i also am dwarf

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:37 PM

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I invite shaman and pretend the affix doesn't exist 🙂

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 12:38 PM

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Bi kinda useles , too long cd and is wasted talent pretty much , afix aint that hard to require it

high wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 12:38 PM

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Ngl i was dwarf and i hate looking at my character so much that i switch to void elf keks

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Every mog looks terrible on dwarf

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:38 PM

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vale karma well you can probably spell block the damage part? but it will stun you

It actually doesn't stun and it doesn't consume the reflect either. It is stupid stong

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:39 PM

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with spell block?

nimble grail Oct 10, 2024, 12:39 PM

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bronze wraith It actually doesn't stun and it doesn't consume the reflect either. It is stupi...

?

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:39 PM

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Oh spell block

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Spell reflect hard counters the tentacle. I thought yall were talking about that.

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:39 PM

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Wait it doesnt consume the reflect? lol

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:39 PM

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I don't believe so

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But check the block doc to be surr

nimble grail Oct 10, 2024, 12:40 PM

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tardy abyss Wait it doesnt consume the reflect? lol

no if you are fast you can remove 5/6 tentacles maybe 10 even

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 12:40 PM

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With SR u can eat multiple yes, it doesnt consume SR , just watch your SR so y dont run into tentacle without it

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:41 PM

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so help your team out and clear the small circle

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if it's littered with tentecles

hybrid fossil Oct 10, 2024, 12:42 PM

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is there any chance as a a warrior to pull the additional pack in the right room at the beginning of the maze?

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in mists?

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 12:42 PM

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Its also good on tankbuster there , pop it, dont care about your position as u wont get knocked into tentacle

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:42 PM

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nimble grail no if you are fast you can remove 5/6 tentacles maybe 10 even

Cant you soak a lot by using heroic leap or do you just jump over them then

nimble grail Oct 10, 2024, 12:44 PM

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i think HL makes you dodge them not sure

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 12:45 PM

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Not like it would help in a lot of cases though

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 12:48 PM

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hi

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:48 PM

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Howdy tea

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 12:48 PM

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anyone can share any good MDT pug routes that u have been running with success?

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:49 PM

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for which dungeon?

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:49 PM

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I just do keystoneguru routes

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 12:49 PM

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all dungeons

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but keystoneguru has alot of different ones

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 12:49 PM

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what key level

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:49 PM

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nvm, read it as "I don't do keystone"

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:49 PM

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void wadi but keystoneguru has alot of different ones

There is alot of ways to run duengons. Just look and find what you feel comfy with

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 12:50 PM

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im doing 7s atm, going for 9-10s soon

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 12:50 PM

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has anyone been doing gatekeeper route in NW? haven't been able to find one

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just to use BL on first pull

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 12:51 PM

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7s you can pretty much just hold w

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 12:51 PM

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vale karma has anyone been doing gatekeeper route in NW? haven't been able to find one

pull group in front of you, group after that, and gatekeeper together

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:52 PM

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inner wren 7s you can pretty much just hold w

That isnt entirely fair. Some people can do that, but M+ is way harder this season. Not everyone is busting out 7s out the gate

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 12:52 PM

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hold w means do pack by pack

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and you will time it

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:57 PM

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Is there a more efficient way to get crests than mist 9? I did 6 mist 9 yesterday and finally got my shield. I am catching up on my crests, but mist 9 is alot XD

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 12:59 PM

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dawn and ara kara are really fast dungeons as well

tropic tangle Oct 10, 2024, 12:59 PM

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mists/arakara probably the most efficient farm

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yeah, dawn isn't bad

deft mortar Oct 10, 2024, 1:03 PM

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great I get 3x 623 Myth track pieces

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One is waist (Not an upgrade) other is cloak (not an upgrade)

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So I settled for the fkn 623 Refracting trinket

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atleast if I get one more trinket I can upgrade all my heroes for free..

boreal haven Oct 10, 2024, 1:04 PM

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strong forum Depends on the key

Oh nice, so im no to far away i guess. Staying MT then. Thx !

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:06 PM

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bronze wraith Is there a more efficient way to get crests than mist 9? I did 6 mist 9 yesterda...

i do enjoy siege as well

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 1:08 PM

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what the fuck

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:10 PM

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green bronze i do enjoy siege as well

my least favorite in the pool

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It just... sucks, since BFA

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:11 PM

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it was nightmare in BFA because tank tentacle respawned, now evertything there is kinda chill, aside from a part with bananas

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:12 PM

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The whole dungeon is just annoying

reef hazel Oct 10, 2024, 1:12 PM

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What's the move re crafts if all your gear is already tied for ilevel?

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Already crafted weapon & shield

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:13 PM

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reef hazel What's the move re crafts if all your gear is already tied for ilevel?

wdym move? You can do a recraft order for higher ilevel, just need the mats (90 gilded crests etc)

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:13 PM

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reef hazel What's the move re crafts if all your gear is already tied for ilevel?

if you don't have good rings, craft and recraft 1 ring, you will be able to upgrade other one without using crests

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 1:13 PM

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inner wren dawn and ara kara are really fast dungeons as well

My only gripe with acara is that last boss is such a bitch

reef hazel Oct 10, 2024, 1:13 PM

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I meant next pieces

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Yeah I was thinking the ring re craft thing

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That's not been patched yet?

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 1:14 PM

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Where do you pull the last boss to keep from getting blasted?

sharp gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:14 PM

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reef hazel I meant next pieces

i just max upgrade myth track vault things since you save 15 crests

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:15 PM

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not sure if its patched tbh, blizzard usually take long to patch such things

reef hazel Oct 10, 2024, 1:15 PM

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Cool ring it is then, thanks!

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:15 PM

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bronze wraith Where do you pull the last boss to keep from getting blasted?

i don't think you can choose where to pull the last boss

hoary pivot Oct 10, 2024, 1:16 PM

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bronze wraith My only gripe with acara is that last boss is such a bitch

It is mostly about staying calm and playing mechanics, it is a pure mechanics boss. Make melees stand so that they do not hit others with the poison (which will make them also not hit others with the waves), dispel ranges or people with defensives first. Otherwise stay calm during webs and tag enough adds to have enough puddles. Pinging the puddle you want to take early can help.

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:16 PM

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How do you feel about prot warr in M+ generally? Started this season as a guardian druid, currently around 2.6-2.7. Thinking about prot now for some change

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:17 PM

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also move the boss away from puddles, cause puddles that are too close to the boss may not be safe to stand in

hoary pivot Oct 10, 2024, 1:17 PM

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fiery gale How do you feel about prot warr in M+ generally? Started this season as a guardi...

Its pretty good. Very tanky, damage is totally fine and utility is nice. Rally feels especially good this season for all the AoE healing checks.

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:17 PM

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fiery gale How do you feel about prot warr in M+ generally? Started this season as a guardi...

fun and easy up to 11s, haven't tried 12s yet

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a lot of things to reflect, very satisfying to play

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:18 PM

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Anyone else has played guardian around the same levels and has comparison, which feels nicer etc?

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:18 PM

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my guardian is around 613 ilvl, i think i have done a max +9 on him, feels much much squishier then my prot warr

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especially on fortified, i was struggling to survive on my guardian druid)

covert canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:19 PM

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green bronze my guardian is around 613 ilvl, i think i have done a max +9 on him, feels much ...

would you say prot warrior arround 615 ilvl would be able to run keys 10 easily?

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:19 PM

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green bronze my guardian is around 613 ilvl, i think i have done a max +9 on him, feels much ...

my guardian is 624, even in 11s I feel immortal tbh especially during incarn. Magic sometimes hurts though xD

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:19 PM

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covert canopy would you say prot warrior arround 615 ilvl would be able to run keys 10 easily?

yes, surely

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:19 PM

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fiery gale my guardian is 624, even in 11s I feel immortal tbh especially during incarn. Ma...

during incarn ofc, but outside of it, i felt really squishy, especially on double-triple pulls

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:20 PM

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<eah without incarn you cant really go huge

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:20 PM

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but im also very rusty on guardian as well, i used to do 22s on guardian when it was meta in DF, but haven't played much since then

covert canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:20 PM

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green bronze yes, surely

im just arround 613 ilvl right now, was wondering if 10 would be possible so never queued in them, but ill give it a try, thank you!

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:21 PM

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covert canopy im just arround 613 ilvl right now, was wondering if 10 would be possible so nev...

if you can survive fortified 9 then 10 shouldn't really be a problem for you, just gotta know which packs hurt)

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 1:22 PM

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covert canopy would you say prot warrior arround 615 ilvl would be able to run keys 10 easily?

At 615, your group is important to run 10s, but it is doable

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I had a friend last night do aracara Key stone hero last night and he is 615. He is just a phenomenal lalyer

covert canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:24 PM

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bronze wraith At 615, your group is important to run 10s, but it is doable

yeah, that's what i assume so I never queued past +8, was thinking about farming up the 7s and 8s until i can be full 619 gear

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:24 PM

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covert canopy im just arround 613 ilvl right now, was wondering if 10 would be possible so nev...

first try might not go too well, cause you don't know what to expect, you might feel that damage is very big, but it becomes easy when you get used to it

bronze wraith Oct 10, 2024, 1:24 PM

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covert canopy yeah, that's what i assume so I never queued past +8, was thinking about farming...

You will find the problem is getting a 10 more than being able to do one. People are protective of their keys

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I lucked out and had some guildies run dawn +10. After we timed that, people were much more willing to run 9s with me

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:26 PM

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i stopped feeling any sense of danger in 10s when i was around 615 as well, started doing them when i was 610 i think

covert canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:26 PM

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I also need to look for a group to push with, having the same group running keys feels so much better and way easier

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:26 PM

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covert canopy I also need to look for a group to push with, having the same group running keys...

i personally had much more success with PUGs cause my guildies suck in m+ lol)

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:27 PM

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green bronze i personally had much more success with PUGs cause my guildies suck in m+ lol)

Yeah, unless you have a very dedicated and permanent group for pushing, pugs are often much more competent than the average guildie

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my experience

covert canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:27 PM

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green bronze i stopped feeling any sense of danger in 10s when i was around 615 as well, star...

do you mind sharing your warcraft logs so i can look at how you run them, just curious to see how much different we play or if we do globaly the same things, i should be able to do same key level

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:28 PM

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fiery gale my experience

at least that is when keys become a bit higher, for low-middle keys, pugs are just horrible

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often

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:29 PM

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@covert canopy DM'ed you

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:31 PM

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fiery gale at least that is when keys become a bit higher, for low-middle keys, pugs are ju...

just gotta know how to distinguish good pugs from bad ones, i always take disc priests and retri palas with me, those are usually gods

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and any shamans as well

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:31 PM

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just dont invite holy priests LOL, maybe it was coincidence, but all I had sucked

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 1:31 PM

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idk I have similar experience with discs, they always struggle to top up the group

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and god forbid you fall behind as a tank, there is no way they are topping you

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:32 PM

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when i play with discs, i feel like my party never goes below 70% hp) lol, guess im just lucky

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 1:33 PM

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I mean they objectivly do insane healing, but if something happens where you need to emergency heal but have no cds it's gg

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and most pugs are probably not so good at planning all of their cooldowns?

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 1:33 PM

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i think they have a 20sec group aoe heal CD

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big one

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 1:35 PM

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reef hazel Cool ring it is then, thanks!

someone was saying its fixed now but lmk if it still works

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 1:35 PM

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i think problem with shadow priest is they need a dh or bear tank to provide a magic buff

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and some kind of voltron

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 1:36 PM

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what magic buff?

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 1:36 PM

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but i think, then, why wouldnt you just take a warlock at that point? there must be some power infusion reason or something

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in the past i know demon hunter made you do like, 3% more magic damage

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 1:37 PM

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why would SP need that, but not mages and warlocks?

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any caster wants that buff

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:37 PM

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shadow priests just need high enough key to do good dps, they take a big time to ramp up their damage

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 1:37 PM

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i think they are weak when pair with pwar, hunter, rogue, paladin

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is basically what i mean

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 1:38 PM

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from what I heard the issue is that they only have 1 spell on 45 sec cooldown to spread their dots in aoe

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and if you mess it up it's gg for that pull 😄

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 1:38 PM

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they also dont hit silence

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20 some minute threads

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healer raging at preist for only hitting silence 1 time despite it having 45s cd

toxic pewter Oct 10, 2024, 1:39 PM

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is silence on the global cooldown

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and balance druid lunar beam

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 1:39 PM

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silence is so much broken

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i would be casting it like crazy if i was spriest

reef hazel Oct 10, 2024, 1:44 PM

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inner wren someone was saying its fixed now but lmk if it still works

I went and checked the newest comment on tettles video about the ring, it's fixed it seems. Not gonna do it to find out - time to craft bracers :/

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:45 PM

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reef hazel I went and checked the newest comment on tettles video about the ring, it's fixe...

sadge( was thinking about crafting ring today

reef hazel Oct 10, 2024, 1:45 PM

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😦

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I was away for a week so only just got my next spark

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:45 PM

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reef hazel I was away for a week so only just got my next spark

everyone got their third spark this week

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afaik

reef hazel Oct 10, 2024, 1:45 PM

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Oh

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Nvm then

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I missed m0 week so assumed I'd missed one or smth

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:46 PM

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reef hazel I missed m0 week so assumed I'd missed one or smth

there is a catchup mechanic, you can't miss any sparks

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as long as you play enough to get it to drop)

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 1:46 PM

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now if only there was a vault and crest catchup

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then i'd play every tank

reef hazel Oct 10, 2024, 1:47 PM

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Ah ok good to know and well fuck I should have done more chaches

broken light Oct 10, 2024, 1:48 PM

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any reason sacbrood is simming this low

dusky canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:49 PM

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What kind of sim?

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ST 5 minute?

green bronze Oct 10, 2024, 1:49 PM

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inner wren now if only there was a vault and crest catchup

there is kinda both crest and vault catchup, you need less crests to upgrade on alts and also you would be able to craft many 636 items on alts, deep enough into the season

young oasis Oct 10, 2024, 1:49 PM

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What is opinion on Larynx trinket in M+ ? Got it on mythic track, but it sims low compared to other trinkets.

dusky canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:49 PM

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Nome says it’s good

young oasis Oct 10, 2024, 1:49 PM

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dusky canopy Nome says it’s good

Than its good

broken light Oct 10, 2024, 1:51 PM

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dusky canopy What kind of sim?

5 target 3 min

dusky canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:51 PM

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Well yeah that’s an AoE sim

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Also

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Should really sim 5T 1.5m

young oasis Oct 10, 2024, 1:51 PM

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Was lucky with vault and got mythic Khardros + mythic Larynx

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 1:51 PM

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green bronze there is kinda both crest and vault catchup, you need less crests to upgrade on ...

i understand that but its still a drag for alts

dusky canopy Oct 10, 2024, 1:52 PM

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Better reference for a average M+ pull

broken light Oct 10, 2024, 1:52 PM

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dusky canopy Should really sim 5T 1.5m

true, thanks

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any new trinket tech's i should know? i see that noone was using larynx and now im seeing it everywhere

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 1:53 PM

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i'm using it :)

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it owns :)

young oasis Oct 10, 2024, 1:53 PM

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sweet summit it owns :)

Nice to hear that 😎

celest portal Oct 10, 2024, 1:59 PM

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how many of you are talenting bitter immunity for the affix?

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 1:59 PM

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No one

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I talent a shaman for the affix

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 2:00 PM

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same

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if the group doesnt have a shaman i dont apply for it

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 2:01 PM

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Either resto or enhance, both are goated atm

celest portal Oct 10, 2024, 2:01 PM

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dw figured, a guildy was memeing at me saying I should take it lel

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all 3 shammy specs are insane rn

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 2:01 PM

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tawdry cloak Either resto or enhance, both are goated atm

ele is also insane rn

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 2:01 PM

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Yea true ele is having a good moment too

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 2:01 PM

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so

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:04 PM

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i wouldnt say insane

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but i would say shaman is the bar that i hope blizzard is using for most classes when it comes to buffs

broken light Oct 10, 2024, 2:06 PM

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game is in a pretty good spot imo

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multiple classes playing all 3 specs

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:06 PM

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fury and arms arent

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but we're good

broken light Oct 10, 2024, 2:06 PM

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they dont exist

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 2:06 PM

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im happy to have an ele in my 10s or 11s

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:06 PM

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well they should

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you cant just say "game is in a good state" and drop that bomb

broken light Oct 10, 2024, 2:07 PM

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LOL

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:08 PM

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its also relatively simple to fix fury, just up their ST and give more sustained aoe

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but arms...

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might suffer from "its too strong in pvp" for a bit

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 2:09 PM

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my wow dream is that they kill aug evoker

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:09 PM

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shrug

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aug isnt relevant until 14s anyway

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ive said it since df s2, all they need to do with aug

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is remove most of its defensive toolkit and increase their damage amps slightly

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 2:10 PM

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agreed

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:10 PM

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make it strictly a damage adding support and not a supporting class

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:11 PM

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how do u all decide what to craft for spark?

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i got sword, shield and bracers

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:11 PM

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whatever is lowest ilvl

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 2:11 PM

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Does the ring recraft bug still work?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:11 PM

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you can also top gear with crafts

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:12 PM

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make ring -> recraft again -> relog -> upgrade 2nd ring for free?

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 2:12 PM

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Yea

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:12 PM

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no idea, can u test that out pls lol

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 2:13 PM

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Lol I don’t have the gilded to do a ring this week. Spent em already

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:13 PM

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lusty grotto you can also top gear with crafts

what does this mean?

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 2:13 PM

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If it does, then ring could be huge. If not, lowest ilvl

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:13 PM

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sim top gear

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add crafts

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:13 PM

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oh!

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didnt know that

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:14 PM

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violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:14 PM

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lusty grotto its also relatively simple to fix fury, just up their ST and give more sustained...

I think thane for fury is quite suitable for the sustained aoe but yeah the ST could really use something.

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:14 PM

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yeah im seeing the same

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its a good step in the right direction

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but still needs a bit more, ret and fdks just shit on it

twin hill Oct 10, 2024, 2:30 PM

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i got one craft left, should i get a 636 necklace?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:31 PM

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sure

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:31 PM

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havnt crafted any items yet, shud i go for shield first? got a vetern one

twin hill Oct 10, 2024, 2:31 PM

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i got embellishments on bracers and shield and was thinking wether i should hold the craft or just send it on neck

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:31 PM

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yes go for shield first

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just send it on neck

twin hill Oct 10, 2024, 2:31 PM

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grizzled orbit havnt crafted any items yet, shud i go for shield first? got a vetern one

shield was fkn huge for me once i crafted it

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:32 PM

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haste/vers?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:32 PM

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not-embelished neck

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haste/crit

twin hill Oct 10, 2024, 2:32 PM

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was doing +9 with trash weapon, but shield helped a lot. haste/crit

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:33 PM

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i can use Embellishments on shield?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:33 PM

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some of them yes

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you can slap linings on them which are our best

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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Beledar's Bulwark this shield

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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no

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read the guides please

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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about to take a bash at a 10, is it enough in here to just w through the dungeon no double pulls and still make time? its mists for context

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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why neck and not ring?

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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yes

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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terse hollow about to take a bash at a 10, is it enough in here to just w through the dungeon...

Definitely, especialy mists

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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read that

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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if u make ring, u can free upgrade the other ring without crest

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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neon elk Definitely, especialy mists

im quite undergeared so im worried about this haha

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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Your gear is even more reasons to not doublepull tho?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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so after reading it, which shield are you gonna craft?

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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void wadi if u make ring, u can free upgrade the other ring without crest

I believe both ring has to be upgraded before free of crest upgrade.

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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my guild is running it as a no timer for weekly but the dps is stacked so i think its doable

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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no there is a bug

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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Whats your ilvl?

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Xav

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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neon elk Whats your ilvl?

613

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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u make one 636 ring, recraft it then relog, then ur other ring can upgrade without crest

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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Damn u are fine af

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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Hmmmmm will that be good idea though risking some ban XD

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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youll be safe valk

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if it works

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it has existed for a long while

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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U should have no issues to live in 10s , mists especialy, there is only 1 pack that will hurt you

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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since DF s2 basically

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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lusty grotto yes

oh cool. How many crest i need for it to be full? 😄

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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neon elk Damn u are fine af

void wadi Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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yea so craft ring > craft neck

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:36 PM

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current stats n stuff

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Stats doesnt matter realy

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:37 PM

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grizzled orbit oh cool. How many crest i need for it to be full? 😄

#protection message

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Was just curious if u are like 580 or so xd

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:37 PM

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in the interest of speeding up this convo

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:37 PM

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i just feel wrong with my vers being so low

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:37 PM

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youre NOT crafting beledar's

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because its dogshit and takes up an embelish

terse hollow Oct 10, 2024, 2:37 PM

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neon elk Was just curious if u are like 580 or so xd

no not quite that bad, i just rerolled a few days ago

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so feeling a bit all over

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 2:38 PM

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I dont have much more vers either

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:38 PM

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Do u know guardians and their slash in maze ?

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:38 PM

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lusty grotto https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1293944943756...

oh yeah, it is [Pack of Runed Harbinger Crests] thats the highest?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:38 PM

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what

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are you asking about the highest crests? those are gilded

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did you read everything i said?

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 2:39 PM

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idk anything about shamans, does their poison cleansing totem cleanse everyone instantly when it is put down?

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:39 PM

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It ticks

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:39 PM

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it pulses, but it should take care of it

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 2:39 PM

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i feel like my resto sham in my last key was not using it, details was glitching so i couldnt see

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ah so its not instant upon activation? a few sec after?

neon elk Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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Like its either instant dispel or in like 1-2 sec max

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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how much stat does duskthread lining give on a 636 shield ?

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tooltip just says "gain vers"

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clueless

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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It's not instant and it's not 2 sec max

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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lining doesnt scale with ilvl

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so whatever the tooltip says

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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It's one thing every 1.5 seconds for like 6 seconds

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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ty

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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thats the problem

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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embellishments scale with rank

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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it doesnt

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hence why im asking

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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But it should hit everyone

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:40 PM

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tardy abyss embellishments scale with rank

no they dont

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:41 PM

#

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:41 PM

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the rank is only to craft t5s easier

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:41 PM

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says no number

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and ye they dont scale with ilvl

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its for crafting

tardy abyss Oct 10, 2024, 2:41 PM

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TIL

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:41 PM

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a rank 1 lining will do the same thing as a rank 3 lining

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there's no power gain

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:41 PM

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ok cool

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do you have lining equipped

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on ur shield or any piece of gear

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:41 PM

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it will just make it easier to t5 craft or recraft for your crafters

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:43 PM

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civic citrus

504 per thread

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:43 PM

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Ty

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:43 PM

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I think if the crafter high enough skill you can slightly cheap out using rank 2 lining. The price between rank 2 and rank 3 lining kind of crazy.

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:43 PM

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i wouldnt do it cause they'll be forced to use a lot of concentration

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r2 should be fine if the other mats are r3

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but certainly dont do r1 lolll

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:44 PM

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oh yeah the alloy and so on should be r3 for sure.

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:44 PM

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Alloy prices should crash doon

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Soon*

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:44 PM

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r1 meta xan

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:44 PM

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With tinder boxes down

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:44 PM

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yeah since the vendor was put in

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:44 PM

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Wait for a day or two

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If your brokie

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:45 PM

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oh there is vendor for tinderbox now?

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:45 PM

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Yea something with delv loot mats?

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All the casuals dumped tinder boxes

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They're like 400g now

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:46 PM

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lusty grotto yes

what would u craft after shield? 😄

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:47 PM

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If your getting gilded crests without myth gear

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Shield >wep>big stat armor piece that keeps 4 set

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If your getting myth track gear

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Bracers and belt

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:49 PM

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i only do m+ 😄

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:49 PM

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did you craft the correct shield?

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NOT baledar's

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:50 PM

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Havnt crated one yet

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:50 PM

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nocturne spindle Alloy prices should crash doon

oh yeah it's crashing already, the r3 sanctified last week I know it's 5k now about 1,8k. Holy...

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:50 PM

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Everforged Defender sield

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 2:50 PM

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I fail Wheeshy, I fail.. I should've sell all my tinderbox gained from delve last week

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:50 PM

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ok good

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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so yea two options then

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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you can do whatever is lowest ilvl starting from weapon and then non-tier slots

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after shield

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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assume you wont get many myth track items and craft weapon and big ilevel upgrades

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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so i make everforged Defender shield + Everforged Vambraces since i got a wep

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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or pray to RNG gods and make bracers and belt because low stat budget

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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a hero track weapon?

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cause if its not hero track

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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its a champ one 😛

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:51 PM

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you craft a weapon

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then you have your answer

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and then whatever is lowest ilvl after that

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before you ask

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dont embelish the weapon

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embelish the next slot

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:52 PM

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so only shield with emb

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:52 PM

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with another lining

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you have 4 crafts up to this point

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:52 PM

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I wouldn't even do shield

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:52 PM

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... why not

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did you read what he has?

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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just easier to have two armor emblish in case he ever goes dps

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crafted shield yes

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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no

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did you read what hes replacing

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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lusty grotto 504 per thread

where did you see this number

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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Duskthread Lining on shield then

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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im pretty sure it scales

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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it doesnt scale

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BSL scaled

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

#

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i mean, your saying 506

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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linings this expansion dont

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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my shield is 756

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with 1 thread

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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oh, yeah youre right

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but they do not scale

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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im confused

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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lusty grotto it doesnt scale

what emb is that

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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so your shield is 507

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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im not online so i looked it up

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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mine is 756

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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it doesnt scale

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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civic citrus so your shield is 507

no

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its 756

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dont be confused, i misstyped

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again im not in game so i looked it up

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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see proof above

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:54 PM

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i aint confused i was simply asking why your shield was 506 and mines 756

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makes sense now

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:55 PM

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my shield isnt 506

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i dont even have a crafted shield

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:55 PM

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the THREAD

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bruh please stop typing to me you are making me lose brain cells

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:55 PM

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I MISSTYPED

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:55 PM

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and i said ok

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:55 PM

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I WAS MISTAKEN

civic citrus Oct 10, 2024, 2:55 PM

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why are you still talking about it

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:55 PM

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IM NOT IN GAME

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holy fuck

blazing condor Oct 10, 2024, 2:56 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

grizzled orbit Oct 10, 2024, 2:56 PM

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im confused. do i put Duskthread Lining on shield? 😛

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:56 PM

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yes put it on shield

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:56 PM

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i mean

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if your going to make all 4

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:57 PM

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hes not gonna do anythign youre assuming hes gonna do

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 2:57 PM

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i would put it on not a shield because youll end up dpsing for something

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 2:57 PM

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shield is fine and hes not gonna get a myth shield

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 2:57 PM

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gotta love running with a warrior tank who's on his alt and takes the time to chat after the key

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zug zug's zug together :D

pallid yarrow Oct 10, 2024, 2:59 PM

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In Ara-Kara, any tips for surviving the Reinforced Drones + Blood Overseer combo??
Seems everytime eventually I end up slowed really bad to the point i can't escape the circles.

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 2:59 PM

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pallid yarrow In Ara-Kara, any tips for surviving the Reinforced Drones + Blood Overseer combo...

intercept your healer when circles come, heroic leap the next

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 2:59 PM

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intervene

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leap

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avatar

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 2:59 PM

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:D

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zug zug

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yell that the paladin to FoM you

pallid yarrow Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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zug zug harder too lol, ya my ret friend is slacking

dark cosmos Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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ya just hold ava if you need

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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knew you had a ret friend

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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bruh if you have a ret friend

pallid yarrow Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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dont we all

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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or, just die and blame the healer

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:D

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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thats the ret's fault

pallid yarrow Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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xd

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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cause he 100% should be running unbound

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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or charge into the next pack

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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should be a gnome warrior

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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tf is unbound

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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ExcitedBlushette

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:01 PM

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🐄

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:01 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/spell=305394/unbound-freedom

Wowhead

Unbound Freedom

Blessing of Freedom increases movement speed by 30%, and you gain Blessing of Freedom when cast on a friendly target. In the Paladin Talents category.

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:01 PM

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moo or goo

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oh

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that's lit

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i run with a hunter and a frost dk most of the tim

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so no rets for me

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also..why no sacbrood drop

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:01 PM

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rets are either godly gamers or master zug zug tunnelers

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there is no inbetween

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:01 PM

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i ran ara kara 10 time sin the last couple of days, and i got a trinket..the tank one....because i was on tank spec loot

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:02 PM

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🤷

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:02 PM

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plush tendon rets are either godly gamers or master zug zug tunnelers

fake warrior cosplayers..

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:02 PM

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I did my first City of Threads last night to 😄

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even with a full wipe on first boss, we timed a 11

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erga

pallid yarrow Oct 10, 2024, 3:02 PM

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sand condor i ran ara kara 10 time sin the last couple of days, and i got a trinket..the tan...

does sac drop on tank loot spec too?

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:03 PM

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it does

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but i dont think it helps to have the option of the other trinket

pallid yarrow Oct 10, 2024, 3:03 PM

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understood

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:03 PM

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im gonna have to time a few tens this week

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I've gotten extremely close

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but clearly my dps suck :p

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 3:04 PM

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the nerf to if dps trinket worn by tank/healer is soo unnecessary.

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:04 PM

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violet ginkgo the nerf to if dps trinket worn by tank/healer is soo unnecessary.

i dont think healers got the nerf

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 3:05 PM

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they did

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:05 PM

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peepostudy

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my mistake

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wouldnt have been a issue if they made good tank trinkets

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ragey

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 3:05 PM

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impossible

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:05 PM

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they did in DF

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i just dont understand why they just dont copy paste the dreadplates/rageheart

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:06 PM

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they know how to make good tank trinkets

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they just refuse to

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huh

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:06 PM

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yeah

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:07 PM

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All-Totem like trinkets are also cool

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 3:08 PM

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maybe it was part of tank nerf?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:09 PM

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plush tendon All-Totem like trinkets are also cool

yeah agreed

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:11 PM

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lusty grotto i just dont understand why they just dont copy paste the dreadplates/rageheart

what did those do :o

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 3:12 PM

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plush tendon wouldnt have been a issue if they made good tank trinkets

yeah that's the thing indeed sadge
Blizz: Let's nerf all the dps trinket for tanks and healer so they wear the intended trinket.

The intended trinkets all trash, still better to use the nerfed dps version sadgers

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 3:13 PM

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sand condor what did those do :o

Ummm Rageheart pulsing some damage while giving you shield.
Dreadplate reduce a lot of damage and after expire create a beam and damaging enemy, the damage is good although sometimes the beam pathing quite questionable.

sand condor Oct 10, 2024, 3:13 PM

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ooh

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 3:15 PM

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just get lucky

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inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:16 PM

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just get lucky

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 3:18 PM

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yea its ez

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:19 PM

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think i should be 628 or so next week

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poggies

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colossus full time baby

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:25 PM

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plush tendon wouldnt have been a issue if they made good tank trinkets

Swarmlord though?

zenith gyro Oct 10, 2024, 3:25 PM

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Do you guys ever really use battle stance? I find my self parking in defensive and needing it to take the abuse of these keys. I have not tanked since WoD, but have found myself loving it compared to trying to force my way into groups as fury. Over 2400 io now, and pushing for 2500+ and it is starting to get semi serious. Any input is appreciated ya'll

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:26 PM

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fiery gale Swarmlord though?

That thing is OP, 100% shield on a 1 min CD

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:26 PM

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fiery gale Swarmlord though?

its not a good trinket

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its the best of a long list of meh tank trinkets

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peepostudy

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:26 PM

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Hmmm

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Yeah it’s the best

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And I still don’t have it

plush tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:27 PM

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like, take a look at Sanctum of Domination tank trinkets

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we had Reactive Defense Matrix, Aegis, and (for those who really wanted it) a cheat death

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they are capable of making good tank trinkets... they just dont

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:28 PM

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Part of tanking redesign maybe

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Im stuck with the taunt trinket

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:30 PM

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its not "part of the tanking redesign"

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its just blizzard doing blizzard things

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they make good tank trinkets but every expansion its like 20% of them only

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:30 PM

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Idk, most stuff they do is definitely intended

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:30 PM

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while 80% of tank trinkets gargle massive balls

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no

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its not intended

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this isnt something new

broken light Oct 10, 2024, 3:31 PM

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any chance we go gathering clouds over thorims might?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:31 PM

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calling it intentional is giving them way too much credit

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:31 PM

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broken light any chance we go gathering clouds over thorims might?

no

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:31 PM

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lusty grotto calling it intentional is giving them way too much credit

Intentional doesn’t mean it’s any good

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:31 PM

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when did you start playing WoW

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and how long have you been a tank

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:32 PM

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Uhh, some long time ago, then didn’t touch, then cata

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:33 PM

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rhetoric question

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but we've been very on top of trinkets since skyhold's creation

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 3:33 PM

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lusty grotto they make good tank trinkets but every expansion its like 20% of them only

You know... if only pocket anvil can be upgraded to today's ilvl that will be super nice with how much more SS we cast with Thane.

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:33 PM

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and its always been this way

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80% of the tank trinkets suck

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20% which may be too much in certain expansions, are okay

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while 5% are actually good

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every expansion

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:34 PM

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lusty grotto 80% of the tank trinkets suck

Yeah but why do you think this is not intended?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:34 PM

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without fail

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are people just intentionally creating things that suck?

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is that something that happens

strong forum Oct 10, 2024, 3:35 PM

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vale karma is that with aug?

I've not had a single Aug in keys yet

visual ether Oct 10, 2024, 3:35 PM

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did my first m0, and first as tank earlier - it was a shock to the system 😄

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:35 PM

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the trinket is fine lol adds some additional survivability in 11s+

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imo a tank trinket isn’t needed before then, at least in my experience

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:36 PM

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lusty grotto are people just intentionally creating things that suck?

Sure, just like you don’t have myth track in every slot week 2. they want you to take some time to get good ones I guess

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:36 PM

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thats some weird logic

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i just cant follow it

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 3:37 PM

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i do think it’s better on bear tho

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:37 PM

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lusty grotto thats some weird logic

To me it seems reasonable. It’s also not that every dps trinket is good

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:37 PM

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so its reasonable to think

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that class balance also follows that?

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"some class need to suck"

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"intended"

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"just the way of the game"

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:37 PM

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If every trinket drop is extremely good, what’s the fun of that

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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idk it feels like youre copying with blizzard's mistakes

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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lusty grotto that class balance also follows that?

That’s a whole different topic imo

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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its called balancing

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the fun is having different trinkets that do different things, which should be whats intended for them

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:39 PM

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fiery gale If every trinket drop is extremely good, what’s the fun of that

that sounds like some cope

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:39 PM

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it hurts the game more to have the majority of trinkets suck dick

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its HUGE COPE

steel mist Oct 10, 2024, 3:39 PM

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guys

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:39 PM

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inner wren that sounds like some cope

I don’t even have swarm, but looking forward to it

steel mist Oct 10, 2024, 3:39 PM

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is there abug in mistcaller to make her move and she is not doing the dodgeball mechanic??

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:40 PM

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swarm on war feels poopy

steel mist Oct 10, 2024, 3:40 PM

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I saw a dh making her move when is casting it and the balls are not flying out

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:40 PM

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if the majority of tank trinkets suck dick, and every tank in the game is farming 1 dungeon, or 1 boss for just ONE trinket that is good, then your entire role pop will be there and not anywhere else, your logic is flawed

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it creates a bigger problem

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its bad for the game

fiery gale Oct 10, 2024, 3:40 PM

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lusty grotto if the majority of tank trinkets suck dick, and every tank in the game is farmin...

One out of many is too few, on that I agree

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:41 PM

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steel mist I saw a dh making her move when is casting it and the balls are not flying out

she’s bugged rn

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 3:41 PM

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lusty grotto if the majority of tank trinkets suck dick, and every tank in the game is farmin...

that's the issue!if all trinkets are equally dogshit, then you don't need to farm for specific one

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:41 PM

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but they arent

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 3:41 PM

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yeh, they should nerf sac

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:41 PM

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just delete trinkets

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ez

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:42 PM

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let me equip additional weapons in my trinket slot

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 3:42 PM

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and shield

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😄

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you can hang the shield on your ear, ezpz

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:42 PM

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ok calm down satan

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oh wait i thought you meant deleting shields

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 3:42 PM

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no, second shield in trinket slot

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:43 PM

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that’s a great idea

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make 2h shields too

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 3:43 PM

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is swarlord's authortiy turbo griefing?I keep wearing it because my haste is low as is 😦 @lusty grotto

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I know all stats are equal and all, but it feels bad playing without haste

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:44 PM

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vale karma is swarlord's authortiy turbo griefing?I keep wearing it because my haste is low...

shrug its fine

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i wouldnt use it for the haste

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but thats just me

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rather have primary stat

vale karma Oct 10, 2024, 3:44 PM

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well, it gives a decent shield too, Ithink it ends up around 10% total healing

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but damage is non existent y

inner wren Oct 10, 2024, 3:44 PM

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swarmlord damage is dumpy but it’s better than a lot of trinket options, i was happy to replace it this week

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:45 PM

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yeah its fine

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youre not griefing

toxic pewter Oct 10, 2024, 3:53 PM

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The mastery on use trinkets pretty good. I got the grim batol one and enjoying using it

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:53 PM

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stat trinkets are hard to fuck up

toxic pewter Oct 10, 2024, 3:54 PM

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Yah just love how it lines up with ravager and spear

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Dang I bet demolish would hit hard as hell

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 3:54 PM

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toxic pewter The mastery on use trinkets pretty good. I got the grim batol one and enjoying u...

I mean the batol trinket is one of our top isn't it?

toxic pewter Oct 10, 2024, 3:54 PM

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Haven’t used it much

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Yah it is

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Also has defensive value too which I like

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:55 PM

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as do all stat sticks

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wrong channel

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 3:58 PM

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should we not be using seething red procs on thunder blast/clap in aoe?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 3:59 PM

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outburst

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on TB on 2+ targets

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TC on 5+ targets

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SS otherwise

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 3:59 PM

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got it

nimble grail Oct 10, 2024, 4:03 PM

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Would you recommend the same priority/target without the proc ?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:03 PM

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no

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the prio is simpler than that

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:16 PM

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lusty grotto on TB on 2+ targets

wasnt it 4 and 8

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:16 PM

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no

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:17 PM

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wowhead says otherwise

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:17 PM

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then go with wowhead

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ill correct my shit

waxen vault Oct 10, 2024, 4:17 PM

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Should I drop a talent for bitter immunity this week?

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:17 PM

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oh wait i'm dumb it's for tc not tb

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Guess I was trolling a little with my outbursts

unkempt crescent Oct 10, 2024, 4:18 PM

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Why is BSV never recommended for m+ but every good tank runs it

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:18 PM

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define good tank

unkempt crescent Oct 10, 2024, 4:18 PM

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Every tank pushing 11+

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:18 PM

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are they automatically good?

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:18 PM

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pussies

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:19 PM

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if i do an 11 with a 2hander equipped right now as prot, am i good tank?

unkempt crescent Oct 10, 2024, 4:19 PM

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I’m asking for the thought process

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:19 PM

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they copy top io war top io war uses suboptimal build that also includes bsv

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:19 PM

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1 point to potentially save a key from depleting is pretty impactful when youre trying to max io

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:19 PM

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thats it

unkempt crescent Oct 10, 2024, 4:19 PM

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What is the opportunity cost and how it compares to the benefit

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:20 PM

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except you can still die with BSV

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because its not a true cheat

sweet summit Oct 10, 2024, 4:20 PM

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opportinity cost is ravager (for them)

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which i don't understand

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:20 PM

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yea it has a 3 min cd

you can still die with purgatory doesn’t mean DKs don’t take it

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:20 PM

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its worse than purg

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because its not a cheat death

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and kd damage intake is like umm 10? 20x? compared to war

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:21 PM

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BSV still helps defensively. Helps with the outrageous damage in these 12s

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:21 PM

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waxen vault Should I drop a talent for bitter immunity this week?

No ls and iv deal with it

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:23 PM

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dk and dh have true cheat death, bsv procs when you're at 30% health

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and in terms of warrior damage intake when you get crazy low you probably bambozleed yourself and didnt press a def cd for a big magic hit and you're fine after actually because damage already happened

toxic pewter Oct 10, 2024, 4:24 PM

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got people running bsv in like +4's and crap cuz all the "best prot warrs in the world" are using it

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XD

graceful kite Oct 10, 2024, 4:25 PM

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while dh and dk main issue is actually melee swings that truck them compared to us so every second if they're in melee theyre gonna bleed health

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that why other tanks have shit like desyncing melee swings and running/jumping to a side of a pack instead of charging

unkempt crescent Oct 10, 2024, 4:26 PM

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White swings in a 12 are still 1m each. It’s an 80% DR on a 3 min CD. I don’t follow the logic of not taking it

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:26 PM

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unkempt crescent I’m asking for the thought process

I wouldn’t ask for the thought process here. You’ll just get berated for not blindly following the wowhead guide. I swapped to the “high key” tank build and my life improved dramatically. If you’re trying to run 12s, I’d recommend it. If you’re struggling in <10s, then I’d recommend reviewing logs/vids to identify where you can improve skill wise, otherwise your build is not going to be the largest determining factor in your success

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:26 PM

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unkempt crescent White swings in a 12 are still 1m each. It’s an 80% DR on a 3 min CD. I don’t fo...

yeah i agree

it also allows a potion or last stand to full heal you after proc

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:27 PM

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tawdry cloak I wouldn’t ask for the thought process here. You’ll just get berated for not bli...

this guy spittin

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:28 PM

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anyone saying you can die through BSV doesn't know what they're talking about. You'd need to take 220% of your hp in damage, which is basically impossible outside of 50m 1-shots etc.

unique wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 4:28 PM

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Is the ring from queen Ansurek a bait if I'm running low on haste? The ring gives a bunch of crit and a bit of mastery and that DMG proc, it Sims Higher but idk if it's worth loosing 3k haste from the other ring

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:28 PM

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people still think you can die 31% -> 0% with BSV, which is not true

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:29 PM

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unique wyvern Is the ring from queen Ansurek a bait if I'm running low on haste? The ring give...

its not bait

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turns out

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cantrips are better than secondaries

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who knew

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:29 PM

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i think i did get 1 shot through bsv before

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:29 PM

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losing 3k haste is nothing

unique wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 4:29 PM

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Srry if I sound stupid but whats a cantrip

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:30 PM

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shadow claw when i was at 40% with no reflect or wall

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trying to find the log

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:30 PM

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shadow claw doesn't hit hard enough to 1-shot you through bsv in that circumstance

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maybe in a 15 or something

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:30 PM

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brittle tendon shadow claw when i was at 40% with no reflect or wall

Spell block

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okayge

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:31 PM

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it applies the 80% mitigation to any damage that would take you sub-30%. you'd need to get hit for 160% of your hp to get 1-shot from 40%

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it didn't used to work like this, so people think you can get 1-shot through it, but you can't outside of like... raid 1-shot type things that hit for 1B

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 4:33 PM

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i mean most ways you die from a fuck up is a million melees combined with big damage

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BSV def saves yous 95% of the time

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and even though its not optimal itll save your pull from a wipe if you fuckup

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:33 PM

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hard cope

nocturne spindle Oct 10, 2024, 4:34 PM

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if you play perfectly its not worth it

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if you dont itll save your key every once in a while

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 4:34 PM

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what do you drop to get bsv? ravager?

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:34 PM

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for the vast majority of players, it will save their key regularly

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:34 PM

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marble night what do you drop to get bsv? ravager?

yes

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:34 PM

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🤮

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:34 PM

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marble night what do you drop to get bsv? ravager?

SC + Champs Bulwark

marble night Oct 10, 2024, 4:35 PM

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feels bad

unkempt crescent Oct 10, 2024, 4:35 PM

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How come all these low players play perfectly but these high pushers know better 😝

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:35 PM

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discord recommends dropping SC + bulwark and keeping ravager + taking bolster. if you actually look at the rage/shield block from that trade, it's obvious SC+Bulwark gives more rage and more shield block. they're just wrong 🤷

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:35 PM

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maybe cause they swap tanks every season

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thats what fotm rerolling does

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:36 PM

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I mean someone linked a log of kira this morning

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They had 75% blocked hits

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critcake

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:36 PM

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Nim has been a warrior main forever, so clearly he plays perfectly all the time

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:36 PM

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im not Nome

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im very much human

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Then stop berating people

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:37 PM

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im not

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but if you want to look at it that way

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thats on you

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:37 PM

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I’m tired of opening this chat to see you passive aggressively trying to make people feel like crap

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:37 PM

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jagged pier They had 75% blocked hits

didn't die tho

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:37 PM

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sounds like a you problem

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block and move on

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:38 PM

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brittle tendon didn't die tho

Okay? And i thought this whole arguement is about being tanky? So why is he 1 not track sb better to get more blocked hits as u can get close to 90 with itf or just running hr when u can get to 94-96%?

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Reducing a tone of damage

zealous goblet Oct 10, 2024, 4:38 PM

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lusty grotto block and move on

i get it because prot warirors bvlock i get it nim i get it

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:38 PM

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because he didn't die

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:39 PM

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zealous goblet i get it because prot warirors bvlock i get it nim i get it

okayge glad someone did

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:39 PM

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this is the 5th time in 10 hours you started spewing something about "this argument is about being tanky"

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idk where that comes from

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:39 PM

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It is your literally talking about bsv saving you and it making invisible

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When there steos u can take to just reduces all that before hand

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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negative

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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I would love to see a log where u guys are procing bsv correctly

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When your supposed to

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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look, this is simple, do you want to play BSV? then play it. Why attempt to validate your choice at all?

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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U were about to provide a log of shadow claw no?

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Or did u forget to press spell block and that could have saved you?

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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ya i couldn't find it, maybe i was mistaken

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lmao

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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unkempt crescent How come all these low players play perfectly but these high pushers know better...

Nome wrote the guide for the majority of the player base. Some individuals take that to mean it should be the gospel truth at all key levels, and berate those who do not blindly follow. The high key pushers rely more on feely craft to make their decisions, which some people violently decry, but from my own perspective, the high key build will serve you much better in that content. Nome’s recommendations are still great for 99% of players. The key is to correctly identify which group you fall in

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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Do you want to drop ravager to pick BSV? do so. Why attempt to validate your choice at all?

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 4:40 PM

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lusty grotto look, this is simple, do you want to play BSV? then play it. Why attempt to vali...

because maybe... deep down they know it's a bit fishy?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:41 PM

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you're right with your pick, have fun

zealous goblet Oct 10, 2024, 4:41 PM

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tawdry cloak Nome wrote the guide for the majority of the player base. Some individuals take ...

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-umm-what-what-gif-14694719

Tenor

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:41 PM

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stop having second thoughts about it

zealous goblet Oct 10, 2024, 4:41 PM

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getting a bit emotional man just play what u want

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:41 PM

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brittle tendon ya i couldn't find it, maybe i was mistaken

U seemed pretty confident, why not provide logs to show your choices are the correct thing?

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Why is this so hard we provide ours a tone of my keys are logged

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And public

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:41 PM

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brittle tendon i think i did get 1 shot through bsv before

ya i sound SO CONFIDENT

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:42 PM

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But no one wants to provide evedience to contradic just

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Trust me bro

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:42 PM

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jagged pier U seemed pretty confident, why not provide logs to show your choices are the cor...

He wasn’t providing logs to back up the BSV choice. He was talking to papashlapa saying oh I think I did get one shot through it

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:43 PM

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He was spouting stuff about it this morning and kira to me which the log he provided showed nothing of what he was trying to say

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:43 PM

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These kinds of interactions are why class discords have become such a meme

jagged pier Oct 10, 2024, 4:43 PM

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So now his argument is childish and did he die tho

brittle tendon Oct 10, 2024, 4:43 PM

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spreadsheet gamer

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Any log that got posted you would just say "shoulda played better I found a mistake"

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:43 PM

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these arguments are boring lol

turbid shuttle Oct 10, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Obviously they're making mistakes

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The point is with bsv you can make mistakes, not die, time the key, and continue to work on playing better. Without it you just die and gg.

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:44 PM

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you know they hit rock-bottom when they fling out the insults

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:44 PM

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People used to make mistakes and come to these discords to try and get better. Now they just get attacked and they’re tired of the same offenders telling them to git gud

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:45 PM

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nobody is attacking someone asking for help

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that situation is not the same as "pick BSV trust me bro"

tawdry cloak Oct 10, 2024, 4:45 PM

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lusty grotto maybe cause they swap tanks every season

This u?

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:45 PM

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yes?

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 4:45 PM

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does it just feel like im struggling because a +3 is supposed to be a +13 from DF s2 or 3 (before the swap to system it is now)

lusty grotto Oct 10, 2024, 4:46 PM

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what was wrong with that answer?

tribal wharf Oct 10, 2024, 4:46 PM

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so i just treat a 5 like a 15 and im good?

violet ginkgo Oct 10, 2024, 4:46 PM

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Uh yeah sort of like that Yogi

zealous goblet Oct 10, 2024, 4:46 PM

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tribal wharf does it just feel like im struggling because a +3 is supposed to be a +13 from D...

i had a stroke reading this