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toxic pewter
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is prot warr fotm right now

violet ginkgo
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well 460k (so far for me) magic shield seems...barely do something during raid, I am not asking double like 920 but about 600k-ish should be nice at this season?

Surely we will get 600k later on at s2 or s3 but... the damage also getting bigger at that point.

pallid quiver
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make it bajillion times multiplier, but it only lasts for half a second

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The main thing with the intervene shield is that you get it every 30s

chilly brook
sweet surge
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the intervene shield is really more of a consideration once you get to the point where you whip out notevenclose.com from my pov

pallid quiver
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So it adds up to a lot of value very quickly; the issue with it in raid is that said damage doesn't

happen that often

violet ginkgo
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yeah that too luerce 460k every 30 secs seems a bit low. maybe increase a bit will be nice.

jagged gust
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In my case it's more esoteric "This isn't exactly relevant to gameplay but I want to theorycraft x for the fun of it" kind of thing is discouraged

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idk if esoteric is quite the right word but im blanking

sweet summit
zealous goblet
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i have a log that says your mom sucks

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and you should've been aborted!!

pallid quiver
tribal wharf
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what if it gives both of you lightning shield, simliar or identical to shaman ability, 50% power

pallid quiver
violet ginkgo
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holdup yogi's nick changin again 👀

tribal wharf
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storm shields this is

zealous goblet
violet ginkgo
pallid quiver
violet ginkgo
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time to give weird gif to eagle again then so he will be nicer

arctic quartz
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grim batol

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the tanking spot for 3rd boss?

zealous goblet
inner wren
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i just drag mr dragon man around in a diamond

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boss is easy

pallid quiver
jagged gust
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that was actually the most fun ive had here in a while, I'd like to see that kind of comradery encouraged more often

green bronze
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i just never move

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i let the boss move me around

tribal wharf
twilit turtle
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Stats haste > crit = vers this is true?

tribal wharf
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NOT EVEN HALF AN HOUR LATER

pallid quiver
jagged gust
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What is it that makes prot pal such a paperbag this season? Every time I run with one on my alt their hp just seems to yoyo

pallid quiver
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Technically stacking crit after haste will give you the most optimal performance, but it's not a game changer

tribal wharf
inner wren
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i'm gonna get a max mastery gearset, clear all +2s with it, then come into discord and ask people for the hard numbers on haste survivability

tribal wharf
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to compensate

hexed onyx
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It wasn't just for throngus, was just showing my trinkets I had 🙂 vs what I had in vault dw

pallid quiver
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Those are the two most notable parts

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There's a few other issues that kick in to help contribute, but those are the two more immediate factors that hit them

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They can still live and all, but they're defensively behind the other tanks.

inner wren
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tbh at max ilvl i could see prot pala bein the goat with how much damage they poop out

jagged gust
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Leech stacked prot pal coming in hot

arctic quartz
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i died a bunch in this grim batol

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felt super squishy all of a sudden

chilly brook
chilly brook
inner wren
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brew does boatloads too

jagged gust
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what was killing you? I tend to feel rather safe in GB

inner wren
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the moh build has insane prio damage

jagged gust
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oh yeah the brutes are tank busters

pallid quiver
arctic quartz
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mh so i need to actyually be scared?

chilly brook
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If it was Ogres then probably people not using soothe

arctic quartz
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what do overseers do?

inner wren
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get your pubs to soothe ogres, or you stun them and kite

pallid quiver
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They put out a roar that can be soothed iirc that buffs damage of all mobs around them

arctic quartz
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i dont trust pugs

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stun and kite it is

pallid quiver
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The ogres people are talking about increase attack speed as they hit you, so stun and kite

chilly brook
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Paralysis having a soothe is goated man

pallid quiver
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Spellblades just use an ability you reflect or CD

arctic quartz
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is thane or slayer recommened atm?

inner wren
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slayer prot

jagged gust
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slayer prot

inner wren
pallid quiver
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We don't have Slayer unfortunately

jagged gust
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bro we'd go so hard with a juiced slayer exe

arctic quartz
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whatever its called the colossus one

tribal wharf
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let me help you to see slayer

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you were nothing but a false idol

jagged gust
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thane for damage mitigation, colon for DPS, cant go wrong either way

pallid quiver
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Both are fine, but Thane is realistically better since it gives you defensive ability instead of takes away defensive ability

arctic quartz
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what defensive ability?

jagged gust
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keep your feet on the ground

inner wren
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thinkin bout going colossus full time in 10s since theyre so chill

rose pier
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Hey. Should i pick weapon heroic 3/6 or the shadow binding ritual knife 3/6 hero ? raidbot is telling me that the trinket is better for dps

pallid quiver
jagged gust
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8% DR, 50-60% uptime as fury, never tracked it as prot but it's a good chunk of DR

arctic quartz
pallid quiver
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Also, Thane's defensive benefit talents are also just better than Colossus

pallid quiver
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And the highest damage on Tank in M+ is in AOE

jagged gust
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It's more the rage you lose from not pressing TC outside of rend application reducing your rage, and spending more rage on revenge leades to lower IP usage

arctic quartz
jagged gust
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on top of the loss of KYFOTG

pallid quiver
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I'm pretty sure Jakey said similar

arctic quartz
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nah he said rage gen = good

pallid quiver
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I could be wrong, though

arctic quartz
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cause more rage more avatar

pallid quiver
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Rage gen is pretty much always good, but Colossus can make that awkward; it's also part of why we don't recommend Colossus is because of needing to balance those

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If you're pressing Revenge, you're not generating rage, meaning you get to spend less

jagged pier
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rage gen always highest

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u dont spam ip as colossus u spam revenge

inner wren
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how much screaming should i do as i slam my revenge button?

arctic quartz
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but if im capped, then i spend it on IP and get more rage gen?

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THEN revenge?

pallid quiver
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You never want to waste rage, so yes

waxen cradle
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Hey guys is crafting a shield our best expenditure of one of our sparks or do we still lean towards bracers/belt/cloak and what not

jagged gust
pallid quiver
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Since first boss drops a shield

waxen cradle
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yeah was thinking that too

violet ginkgo
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Luerce type so fast, I was about to say that too.

waxen cradle
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have a heroic shield and weapon and soon will be hitting heroic raid so it feels like a waste of a spark

jagged gust
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Im sitting on 2 extra sparks rn, don't worry about wasting them

inner wren
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same

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dunno what to even blow em on

tribal wharf
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ya same, cant be bothered to go farm out 45 runeds

violet ginkgo
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well if you already have heroic shield can just upgrade it to 619, saving gold cost on crafting and so on

tribal wharf
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and im sending them on gear as well for ilvl

pallid quiver
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i don't have the crests to craft things, so i just have things sitting around

tribal wharf
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cuz all my shits champ or hero now

waxen cradle
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well still setting on shit boots and dont want to have to craft them but its starting to look like I might need to

tribal wharf
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it will be very long time or cold day in hell before i get myth gear at my rate

waxen cradle
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sitting on champ boots and a champ ring

tribal wharf
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hero, no god damn problem

arctic quartz
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so what kinda pulls can we do on fortified, like on mists can i still do the double first pack?

tribal wharf
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myth, thats gunna be hard

pallid quiver
arctic quartz
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its a +6 with mediocre ppl

pallid quiver
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Fort/Tyr shouldn't affect your routing at all considering how many mobs you generally need to hit in each dungeon

arctic quartz
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its pug

lean panther
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Should I be running colossus for raid if I’m going for more damage

arctic quartz
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scared of double pulling and wiping unecesssary

inner wren
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might just yolo craft a neck or something, i'm never getting that sikran neck

pallid quiver
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You really can't miss SS resets or catching TC on CD or you're going to lose out on rage

lean panther
solar spear
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Could anyone please give me some tips for singing steel and stinging venom in siege of boralus? I can't figure out the best way to avoid the former and not sure how to deal with the latter after the stun changes

jagged gust
# arctic quartz its pug

they're gonna stand in ground swirlies and not stack without interrupts, never not seen a sub 10 pug die there

vale karma
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how are you guys feeling about the nerf?

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after playing with it

jagged gust
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what nerf?

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rage?

jolly fractal
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1st time getting into prot warrior will i suffer if i have a bunch of mastery from rolling fury the 1st month of the expansion?

vale karma
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y

pallid quiver
jagged gust
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Well we got a DPS compensation buff, so its fine

fervent dune
pallid quiver
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Like Has said, get a good shield, strap it on, and go

jolly fractal
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Awesome thank you!

jagged gust
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fury still has a high haste prio so it works

vale karma
jagged gust
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Just wait until we can use ITF, then haste value skyrockets

sweet summit
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@edgy bone not to stir up an old conversation but i did some math here for you since you asked :)
-Block dr 639 is 40.7% vs 636 at 40,3%
-Armor dr 639 is 59,3% vs 636 is 59,2%
-"total" dr of 0,5% of blockable physical damage
-secondaries 639 is 1 076 vs 636 is 998
-total secondary gain of 78
-and 52 extra strength (excluding attt)
lmk if anything seems off okayge

jolly fractal
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Ya us gamers gotta mash these buttons

mortal plinth
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hows the thane buff feeling?

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is it the way to go now?

sweet summit
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doesn't feel different

mortal plinth
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word, watching critcakes stream now but just tuned in

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numbers look good

sweet summit
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protcake?

jagged gust
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crit is prot now?

mortal plinth
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oh

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LOL

jagged gust
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weirdge

mortal plinth
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im in prot

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LOL

jagged gust
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oh

mortal plinth
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fury brain

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my bad

jagged gust
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well in that case yes, thane fury is amazing

sweet summit
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i don't like thane fury

jagged gust
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More DR with 50-60% uptime, steady aoe damage output, decent ST

sweet summit
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slayer feels better

jagged gust
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Slayer feels better to me simply because ravager is weird

craggy pilot
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where do people find normal routes? all routes on raider.io are crazy multipull routes

violet ginkgo
inner wren
pallid quiver
craggy pilot
craggy pilot
inner wren
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take the mega pulls and just chain them as you feel comfortable

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Seriously

sweet summit
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i can send you mine when i get back from the gym if you remind me in like 90 minutes lol

high mesa
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Only need to look up routes for dawnbreaker, siege, and necrotic wake. Other dungeons are hold W

inner wren
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Siege is honestly pretty close to w as well

high mesa
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Yeah once you know it

craggy pilot
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i just checked ara-kara on raider.io and first pull is like this, im like wtf

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high mesa
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I had no idea where tf I was going my first time, since I didnt play BFA lol

sweet summit
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that seems standard. maybe split 1st pull in 2 if you want

high mesa
red dock
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How difficult would the first raid boss be in mythic for a pug? Would be so much nice to grab that shield and saved the crests

molten gorge
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This weeks affix btw

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holy moly

whole umbra
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what are thoughts on swarmlords authority (trinket from silken)? I read that it looks amazing balls on details (which it does) but also the numbers are negligible

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I am using mark of khardos now, but I have that thing in my bag, just torn on it

sweet summit
craggy pilot
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i just took 610 skarmorak, cus i was like "hell ye bis trinket" then i realized my 606 sacbrood and 616 quickwick candlestick is better... 🤦

whole umbra
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I am not sure I follow

shy trout
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My adventurer sacbrood still out specing my hero trinkets 😂

craggy pilot
solar spear
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Anyone know how to avoid singing steel in siege of boralus

sweet summit
craggy pilot
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also is this a normal 1st pull in SV?

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whole umbra
craggy pilot
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i feel like the routes are ultra relyant on interrupts

shy trout
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Oof

sweet summit
craggy pilot
jagged pier
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just do the 3 packs

whole umbra
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keystone guru has community routes

craggy pilot
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if anyone have a link of just normal 100% routes, that avoid mega cringe adds, then id be happy to see

whole umbra
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I would look at those and then tweak to your liking

craggy pilot
green bronze
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do triple pull in the start, and then split all three, you can chain them as well

whole umbra
craggy pilot
high mesa
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Ive seen coordinated 12 groups do that stonevault pull. I wouldn’t have the balls to do it in a pug with someone else’s key

red dock
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Just use the weekly route routes, not the play like a pro

whole umbra
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do the hallway, then pull one group. once that group is down, pull the double golem (once you kill these it will start the RP and save 10 seconds). then pull the last group before boss

whole umbra
high mesa
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for sure

high mesa
quasi pivot
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Routes are more around some pug constraints assuming people will not use personals to save themselves and there will not be assigned interrupts.

  1. Don't pull more than 1 mob that has big scary unavoidable aoe.
  2. Don't pull more than 2 casters.
  3. Don't pull packs that rely on careful positioning to not ass-pull other packs or patrols.

If you follow those rules you get a press-w pug route.

dim girder
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Hey guys, quick question, is wowhead info good, deciding if crafting my shield first for the 636

arctic quartz
tropic tangle
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shield to 636 is a valuable craft, can only be beaten by a myth track shield

arctic quartz
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cause i dcd and reloaded in middle of it lmao

sweet summit
dim girder
arctic quartz
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anything to watch out for in siege this week

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scared of keys now that i got turbo nuked in grim batol

pallid quiver
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but that's every week

arctic quartz
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thats also not on me

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fuck me the sniper pack is gonna ruin us

vale karma
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I hate sniper pack 😦

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all you can do is stun one individually, but then someone will aoe stun anyways

arctic quartz
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is it bad to aoe stun?

vale karma
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it syncs them

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if they shoot 1 dude at the same time, he ded

sweet summit
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when are they fixing 1st spotter

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hate that guy

vale karma
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have you managed to kill him before he aggroes the pack on the left?

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had 3 sieges today and 3 times we had to kill that pack (

sweet summit
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consistent inconsistent xan

hollow flower
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do i wanna equip one of every gem type for the extra crit?

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except the stamina gems i guess

eager geode
leaden nymph
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I know the secondary prio is haste - crit - vers - mast but is there an upper limit to each? I feel like my vers is crazy low?

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or is it literally just max haste crit whenever possible

pallid quiver
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There will be a point where getting other stats is more beneficial, but it's currently not possible even if we're assuming you have every very rare, max ilvl Myth track piece

sick sentinel
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I've got heroic raid weapon but a few unused sparks. Should I just go ahead and craft 636 weapon or prioritize lower ilvl armor pieces? I already have the 636 shield.

pallid quiver
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Wep will be more of an overall increase on your damage output and give survival as well

leaden nymph
pallid quiver
sick sentinel
grim pilot
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any tip

turbid shuttle
grim pilot
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for kyveza

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our tank is lagging today

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so I'm tanking it

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it smacks so hard

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am I on the mercy of healers

silent sphinx
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guys for enchants

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is authority of storms better than authority of depths when you have queen ring since it procs off nature damage?

mellow surge
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Hey guys i was wondering for ring enchants, do we go Haste? And is there a % of haste where its too much haste? Im currently at 42% and im debating if i go Crit enchant on rings instead

pallid quiver
grim pilot
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ye

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I figured I'll do sw + spell block

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for first one

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and then just sw for 2nd one

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I thought they're more often

pallid quiver
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Remember to SR for all of them, too

grim pilot
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well yeah obv

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xd

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and d stance full IP demo shout

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it still does insane damage

south zealot
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can also sr lines but idk if that doe sshit to tank

pallid quiver
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i know you don't need to be told but

grim pilot
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I played it as dps

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last raid night

pallid quiver
grim pilot
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I'm just tanking today

south zealot
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oo play

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okay

pallid quiver
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The most notable thing that I'm seeing glancing through logs is that the tank swap mech is pretty much the only notable damage on tanks, so you can comfortably send what you need on them,

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And each cast you would need to take looks to be about a minute apart, so you should be able to SW each of them

tired forge
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Playing war now after maining guardian. Guardian needs a cd every pull but the cds are short, how do big pulls work on war? Shield block and ignore pain enough or do we need cds?

pallid quiver
grim pilot
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I didnt know how often they are

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and they hit

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insanely

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fucking

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hard

pallid quiver
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yeah they do

tired forge
pallid quiver
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Shit still kinda hurts on Heroic, too

tired forge
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That’s what I don’t understand

grim pilot
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any other boss I tanked

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rash and sik ig

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was whatever

pallid quiver
grim pilot
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rash 3 stacks if I pressed sw my hp bar didnt move

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idk I think I got the gist of tanking it now after 5 pulls

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i didnt tank it on hc

pallid quiver
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yeah i think Kyveza is the only boss outside the last two that can hurt you if you do things right

raven knoll
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why is swarmlords trinket c tier on the guide? isn it topg in higher keys?

pallid quiver
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And even among the last two, they don't really hurt Prot War that much unless Mythic really cranked their damage; you can still solo tank beetle boy on Heroic as an example

jagged pier
normal current
leaden nymph
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Weird question, I'm trying to hit 619 in every slot to remove runed crest req, my sword and shield are 610. I randomly won a 616 bow with an xmog roll. Will levelling that to 619 and equipping it give me the achievement and remove the runed req or no?

pallid quiver
# normal current Come again?

It's something you can track on details, iirc, so it's easy to see a general impact of what the trinket is actually doing to help

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Contrast that to the trinket that reduces enemy attack speed; how much damage is that preventing?

You don't see that in details as healing or damage prevented, since the damage is just coming slower

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So you have to evaluate the damage taken for melees and contrast them to damage taken without to get a direct numerical estimate as to how much it's helping

jagged pier
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also just cause its giving u an absorb doesnt mean its giving u at the right time to stop anything

arctic quartz
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can someone help me figure this out

sweet summit
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private log

arctic quartz
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oh shit sry

sweet summit
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i'm on phone so kinda scuffed to look

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first pull siege?

arctic quartz
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yeah this is my cast even log i think? kinda bad at looking at logs

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after the demo shout i died

sweet summit
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i sw on pull

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insta cast toothbreaker

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lmao xd

arctic quartz
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first time struggling living in dungeons so im not sure whats going wrong

sweet summit
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it fucks + kills your haste

arctic quartz
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am i supposed to cc them instead of the other buttons?

grim pilot
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press big defs

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thats the only thing that hurts in that pull

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gutters

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so just start with sw

arctic quartz
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so ravager > avatar > sw > shield wall > demo something like that?

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with a shield block inbetween

grim pilot
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sb asap ye p much there

pallid quiver
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Yeah, you started pretty low from not having shield block up early enough it looks like

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You got slapped for like 20% from one melee beefore the tooth breakers started coming in, and that's a bad way to start

arctic quartz
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well i dont have rage before the pull now do i

mighty valley
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charge + avatar

pallid quiver
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You get enough rage for shield block from charge + avatar

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So you can have SB up before ever touching the first mob

arctic quartz
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think i did, maybe i jujst clicked it late

pallid quiver
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You did end up pressing it about half a second or so after the very first melee you took shown in the death break down

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but you need it up even earlier than that, since melees actually kinda hurt

manic bane
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hey guys, are we supposed to constantly play in defensive stance ?

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or switching using it as a "cd"

pallid quiver
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If you're doing anything outside of keys in the land of 10s and above, there's nothing really hitting you hard enough to force you into D Stance for extended periods of time unless you're just not using the CDs and defensives you already have

tribal wharf
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you cant block spell cast at shaman, by intervening with spell block shield block up, but you cant block melee with just shield block and intervene

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right ya

toxic pewter
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all these fotm prot warrs got some majorly busted talent trees

tribal wharf
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my shaman ate multiple web bolts to the face in threads

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i was trying to intereven i belive it was him alot of the key, but he took so much dmg feels like

slender rover
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Is colossus an alternative to mthane now for m+?

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or is mthane still the go to

pallid quiver
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It's been an alternative as long as you're fine losing survivability for damage

manic bane
pallid quiver
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Since your funny ha ha beneficial affix just becomes "okay fuck these guys in particular now"

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Dying at all in a key that high level also normally is likely to brick the key, as well, especially a tank death since your party mates are very likely to follow very quickly after

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Since each death is 15s off the count and things got a lot of HP to chunk through

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It's mondo fine to lose damage to ensure you can survive, especially if it means you're able to pull bigger, since the trade off in damage will win out from having more things to you can hit without dying as compared to minor damage optimization

jagged pier
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The trade off is very small if u want ti be in d stance all the time its conpletely finr

mighty valley
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3% crit is so much less than it used to be

jagged pier
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Well it used to be 10% damage and 3% crit

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Compared to d stance

pallid quiver
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Even while D Stance cost you damage, all the above was still true; it'd be an overall damage gain if it let you pull bigger, which really drives home how fine it is now to be in D Stance all the time

jagged pier
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I would say in general b stance in raid as nothing can kill u there

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And d stance in pugs or 11s up

pallid quiver
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except kyveza during tank buster, she kinda hurt tho

jagged pier
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I run d stance in most pugs just cause i dont trust healers

glad magnet
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Is there a good progress bar ignore pain anyone can recommend?

pallid quiver
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If IP times out of duration, you haven't been hitting things for seven years

dawn geode
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ya i really only stance swap in raid

glad magnet
glacial grove
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So, does ragenerf hurt?

pallid quiver
jagged pier
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Nope

dawn geode
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i dont really notice the less rage tbh

jagged pier
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Literally nothing has changed

pallid quiver
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Most people weren't even managing to spend all the rage they were getting, anyway

jagged pier
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Expect we all looks bette ron logs cause we waste less rage

pallid quiver
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^^^^

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It's a buff to your perceived skill

slender rover
pallid quiver
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A notable amount, since your goal is to try and spend all the rage you generate on revenge; you also clap a lot less due to no UF, so there's less rage coming in as a whole, and you don't get the 3 SS in a row perk

jagged pier
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U loose some if play incorectly in keys cause of changes they are probably about the same now in terms of dam

pallid quiver
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it's hard to define survivability in concrete terms due to it depending heavily on damage profile

jagged pier
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Thane kinda gunna win ST now we thinks

pallid quiver
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I'd wager Colossus would still be ahead in AOE, but I wouldn't know by how much

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I haven't really looked that deep into it

jagged pier
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Maybe but it probably less than before

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No one has because it really has changed very little

ripe seal
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Bro ngl, Ky'veza fucking hurts

pallid quiver
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I only saw spitball math beforehand on how much Colossus was ahead in AOE from Nome mentioning things early on, so I wouldn't even be able to spitball off that

pallid quiver
ripe seal
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Just started progging it tonight on mythic, both my BDK co-tank and myself were surprised with the tank buster difference compared to other bosses

pallid quiver
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I'm pretty sure it's 100% magic, as compared to almost every other tank buster having some kind of physical component

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which contributes to that

ripe seal
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The tank buster itself is mostly physical mixed with a smaller amount of magical dmg

pallid quiver
#

I'm a damn dirty liar

ripe seal
#
  • also leaves a 4x stacked DoT aswell
pallid quiver
#

Part of me wagers they intended for you to taunt swap halfway through, and only take 2 stacks each

#

but i'm pretty sure it's cast every 30 seconds, and the debuff is 35 seconds

ripe seal
pallid quiver
#

The thing that makes me think that is the fact you can taunt swap mid-way iirc, plus the duration of the debuff being as low as it is

#

I think they changed their minds mid-way through designing the fight

#

That's not something we'll ever know, though

fierce pier
#

where is the spot you can see reflect damage in wclogs?

sweet summit
#

you need to go to enemy damage taken

#

from enemy

fierce pier
#

thanks fam

chilly echo
#

Anyone know why this happens?

image.png
#

second bite did way more damage

oblique quarry
#

isnt that a stacking dot?

timber nest
#

do we care about getting max benefit from the crit meta gem?

sweet summit
#

i use speed wicked

soft tusk
#

That's a nasty trinket

image.png
fierce pier
#

is this st or aoe?

soft tusk
#

ST

#

I just had a chance to use it once so I waited until the boss's health was low

turbid shuttle
plucky sparrow
#

Is there any tech for the sikran trinket? or just send it on CD?

sweet summit
#

i have never heard of that trinket so i assume it's not great and the tech is to use something else

arctic quartz
manic bane
hardy ridge
arctic quartz
#

Also ravager+avatar didnt seem to be enough for shield block last time i tried it

sweet summit
#

charge avatar is

pallid quiver
plucky sparrow
turbid shuttle
# arctic quartz Good point thx

you block 1 hit before dying, out of 16. you were getting back hit like crazy. Though even the first 6 you didn't have shield block up.

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sinful copper
#

dumb question: does shield slam do any aoe component? or it's just for fishing for the thunderclap proc thing?

marsh stone
#

Anyone used Foul Behemoth's Chelicera? Any good in m+/raid?

cobalt wagon
#

How do you approach a pack when shield charge/ ravage / spear / avatar are all down and you have almost 0 rage and and shield block isn’t already up? Is this something that should just be insanely rare? Or is it totally fine to be starting pulls like that? Talking 12+

hardy ridge
marsh stone
turbid shuttle
cobalt wagon
#

I meant to say shield charge not shield wall

sweet summit
turbid shuttle
#

then we're all the way back to don't get in that situation in the first place. bank some rage between pulls.

marsh stone
#

At a stretch heroic leap but if you can use charge to get rage at least you can TC

sinful copper
#

so even in aoe, shield slam is highest prio to press right?

#

whats the proc called where u sometimes get 2 free shield slam charges? do u use a WA to track it?

karmic plinth
#

its called burst of power

cobalt wagon
#

So it’s very dangerous to be starting pulls like that? I will be more mindful of holding some type of rage generator for start of pulls just wasn’t sure if I actually had to

turbid shuttle
sweet summit
sweet summit
#

burst of power

sinful copper
#

oh ok thanks

sweet summit
cobalt wagon
#

I assume you don’t really want to use shield charge at the end of pulls or at a timing where you wouldn’t get it at the start of a hard pull right ?

turbid shuttle
#

technically it makes your SS not incur CD, rather than adding charges, but these are close to equivalent.

#

if it's already on CD when it procs, you don't get an immediate press, but when it comes back you'll get 3 in a row.

sweet summit
#

oh like that, sorry, i misread

hardy ridge
opal tundra
#

Hey guys defensive stance we just loose 3% crit? i remember it was some more dps

#

but idk if they changed it

sweet summit
#

yep, it changed going in to tww

nocturne spindle
#

they changed it

sweet summit
#

most people just default to perma dstance

opal tundra
#

so battle stance totally not worth it?

nocturne spindle
#

BIG D all the time basically

#

if you know you arent taking damage

#

its free crit

opal tundra
#

yeah

nocturne spindle
#

but not an important amount of damage like before

opal tundra
#

yea

#

thas really nice, thanks dudes!

nocturne spindle
#

if you are already feeling saturated on things to do its the first thing you should ignore

opal tundra
#

nah

#

but i just put it on rasha'nan and went full yolo

tribal wharf
#

imagine if blizzard made BRD the mega dungeon

#

and the nits a keystone now

opal tundra
#

and did a lot of dmg, so i was wondering if was the stance of dps givin me a lot of it

#

or just execute is op on rasha'nan

nocturne spindle
#

just execute things on rashanan

opal tundra
sweet summit
#

hell yeah beat that fury warrior

#

better spec wins

waxen quarry
#

facts g

sweet summit
waxen quarry
#

i copied philliarms message

#

and put it as my name

sweet summit
#

love philliam

waxen quarry
#

philliam blast enjoyer

south sparrow
#

Can I earn any really good loot from Ulduar timewalking as loot?

#

or can prot warrior earn to be more in to the point

errant arrow
#

hello, i am wondering if anyone knows how much haste i should have before i stop going for haste? if there's a haste cap 🙂

wicked pollen
#

sim yourself

#

only the robot knows

errant arrow
#

mmkay

lusty grotto
#

unbuffed <-- this was for the recommended ITF swap

#

oh

#

before you stop going for haste?

#

never

#

never this season at least

nova brook
#

!macros

errant arrow
#

hehe thank you

wicked pollen
#

what macros do you need help with

nova brook
#

idk i just started playing prot and was seeing if there were any essential ones

lusty grotto
#

there are none

#

especially if you're new

#

because there's one, but its not recommended for new prot players

nova brook
#

im new to prot but not new to the game lol

lusty grotto
#

yeah

#

it applies

wicked pollen
#

the more i think about using the ip ss macro the more i think id hate it

lusty grotto
#

thats why i said "new prot players"

#

not "new players"

deft mortar
#

I am so confused whenever I get declined and a Blood DK or Vengeance DH is invited

#

There is like no benefit whatsoever

#

They're not even real tank specs

#

BROS HAVE NO SHIELD

wicked pollen
#

vengeance brings magic damage

#

?

#

has more value than bshout

#

hate to break it to you

deft mortar
#

I bring me

wicked pollen
#

they dont know or care

lusty grotto
#

i mean that depends on the comp

#

because it def does not have more value if the comp has an FDK

#

AP > all

nocturne spindle
#

DH has cool warglaives

#

ur just a guy with a shield

#

checkmate

deft mortar
#

Only real tanks are prot warriors and protadins are OK as like a off-tank spec (nothing will change my mind)

toxic pewter
#

how are people +2'ing 11 mists is there a route that is needed to do that

pallid quiver
wicked pollen
#

you do damage

#

only way

sinful copper
wicked pollen
#

you wont +2 pulling small and doing 0 damage

deft mortar
#

10% stat buff and skipable mechanics on 2nd boss makes mists piss easy

toxic pewter
#

yeah people just did like 1.3-1.4 in my group

sinful copper
#

1.3 is low for a mists

toxic pewter
#

must of been too small of pulls on my part

sinful copper
#

could be combo of both

toxic pewter
#

oops 1.4 to 1.6 i mean

wicked pollen
#

how long were boss fights

neon elk
deft mortar
#

U can't safely stack the bugs

#

U skip alot of the first packs

#

What big pulls are u talking about brother

lusty grotto
queen hemlock
#

Just asking
Is prot warrior better at tanking liquify or feast on ansurek?

lusty grotto
#

and he asked for essentials

neon elk
wicked pollen
lusty grotto
#

its a good pointer, just stating the difference

wicked pollen
#

where you can save a lot of time

queen hemlock
#

And how much mitigation must i use for the buster
Is demo shout enough of a mitigation?

toxic pewter
sinful copper
#

skipping the 3 bugs saves a lot of time too

lusty grotto
#

spell block

neon elk
#

Like i would love to have cursor macros way earlier than i started to using them ..

wicked pollen
#

check details

lusty grotto
#

you can spell block liquify

wicked pollen
#

and go to the boss fights

sinful copper
#

then u can go straight to the double and pull in flyers when theyre low

deft mortar
lusty grotto
#

and you can wall in between spell block cds

deft mortar
#

In my head atleast

toxic pewter
lusty grotto
#

which i trust you're already doing

queen hemlock
#

Ok i can spell block liquify but is demo shout+ shield block a good enough mitigation for it if i want to?

lusty grotto
#

what are you holding wall for

scarlet meteor
#

yo

lusty grotto
#

remember it has heavy CDR

wicked pollen
scarlet meteor
#

ara kara first boss adds

queen hemlock
#

Idk just incase LUL

lusty grotto
#

dont hold it

scarlet meteor
#

when does he eat and when dont?

deft mortar
wicked pollen
#

when the adds are close

lusty grotto
#

its a 50s cd if youre using rage correctly and slamming SS

deft mortar
#

The aoe will kill dps

lusty grotto
#

no reason to hold wall ever

wicked pollen
#

if they dont kick yeah

lusty grotto
#

this aint classic

deft mortar
#

It's unavoidable

queen hemlock
#

Then when do i send demo? On cd or

lusty grotto
#

or vanilla with 1hr cds

sinful copper
lusty grotto
#

you can use it if you need it defensively, but using it on cd should be fine

queen hemlock
#

As rage gen or as melee reduction
I mentally assigned it as good DR

lusty grotto
#

for damage

queen hemlock
#

Ah ok

sinful copper
#

the first 3 has the big bug and the next ones on left have a big bug

deft mortar
#

I have 0 name memory lmao

wicked pollen
#

me either

#

i just see them in my hesd

#

but if you want to save time

#

you are doing that pull

deft mortar
#

But ye idk I timed 11 Mists which is far from +2 but wouldn't do that pull

#

I think I cleared little girl boss to fat worm boss in 3 pulls

#

Did boss then did 2 pulls

#

Was like super chill tho, no stress whatsoever

sinful copper
#

yeah, it's mists

#

pretty chill

deft mortar
#

Was desthless until healer started drinking instead dispel rogue

wicked pollen
#

🙂

eternal marlin
#

has anyone played colossus since the changes this reset?

deft mortar
#

Not yet but I only play colossuss

#

I like 1M revenge crits

queen hemlock
lusty grotto
#

harder for warrior compared to what

deft mortar
#

Once my party goes way higher and I get shit tons of free revenge procs, I may even use Barbaric Training

queen hemlock
#

Idk monk/dh

deft mortar
#

Is there a limit on that, guys?

#

There must be a parry chance% where Barbaric Training outperforms sidearm on colossus builds

#

I am afraid to tag Nomeratur

lusty grotto
#

every tank gets railed on feast

#

i have not seen a single tank that doesnt

#

there's no better or worse

deft mortar
#

What is feast can u remind me

queen hemlock
#

Ah ok
Yea thanks sire

#

Ansurek 2nd tank buster

#

Liquify - feast

mighty valley
#

colossus is already kinda rage hungry, barb training would hurt... maybe with insane haste

lusty grotto
#

honestly im not sure why you wouldnt have warrior take liquify

#

either way

deft mortar
#

Describe it like a caveman

lusty grotto
#

spell block liquefy

#

wall feast

queen hemlock
#

Thought feast is easier to heal for warriors over other tanks

#

Idk which is the harder tank buster

#

But my co tank states that they always left feast to dk so i thought maybe i should do feast and it would be easier

graceful kite
lusty grotto
#

maybe, stagger can be decent

#

but its not by a lot

graceful kite
#

they also have an absorb shield

#

you get feast - stagger it and get heal absorb and while youre getting healed you pop an absorb shield

queen hemlock
deft mortar
#

Oh it's a raid thing

#

I am a sadge M+ tank

graceful kite
#

but yea war should take liquefy

toxic pewter
#

I feel like we handle liquify or feast equally well. perhaps feast a bit better since its physical

#

but spell block owns liquify like its nothing lol

graceful kite
#

I tanked hc ansurek for a bit and actually we can manage tanking with debuff for some time if your healers struggle to top feasted tank

#

atleast I did

#

5m blocks are fun too

queen hemlock
#

My first 3 pulls of ansurke is instantly dying asa tank

graceful kite
#

how

queen hemlock
#

Pulled oped cd i constantly rip aggro

graceful kite
#

she does 0 damage outside of feast

#

evne liquefy hits for like 10% of your hp

toxic pewter
#

yeah aggro on her can be a bit tricky I recommend tracking threat tinythreat in details at the start

queen hemlock
#

Then i decided not to use cd till 30 seconds later

#

I ripped aggro again and die

graceful kite
#

other tank should utilize their taunt

toxic pewter
#

yah thats jus the other tank not pressing buttons well

queen hemlock
#

They did

graceful kite
#

cap

queen hemlock
#

I was doing 250k more damage than them

graceful kite
#

they can taunt

queen hemlock
#

The taunt looks like a lie

#

LOL

graceful kite
#

so they get 300% threat

queen hemlock
#

It was a brew? Idk what they do

toxic pewter
#

lol

deft mortar
#

Who plays brewmaster

graceful kite
#

all taunts give 300% threat gen buff in a window now

deft mortar
#

Bros ONLY good expansion was MoP

graceful kite
deft mortar
#

And that was only for Challenge mode

toxic pewter
#

yeah but taunt doesnt do much if the tank isnt actually pressing their buttons well

sweet summit
#

natty 1 mill ara kara 😎 idk if this is good or i should be doing more

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toxic pewter
#

especially if other tank is out dpsing them like crazy

vital plinth
#

on heroic queen we switch but either liquidfy or feast i feel safe. if shit hits the fan i last stand on feast and im good.

queen hemlock
#

Yea ive got no clue
Im thinking maybe prot warrior does to much damage

toxic pewter
#

No.

deft mortar
queen hemlock
#

Im very very geared compared to my raid

deft mortar
#

And BMs do what.. Spin and take their dmg later?

toxic pewter
#

yeah why are you trying to blame prot warrs lol

#

you are overgeared you said it yourself

lusty grotto
queen hemlock
#

I mean i have no clue
Im the prot warrior
I literally casually rip aggro on every boss

toxic pewter
#

how is that the specs fault though

deft mortar
#

Try to not pump dmg while ur threat is at 100% but yelloe

#

It's like the game begging u

lusty grotto
queen hemlock
#

Idk big burst
Not explicitly saying its ours
I honestly dont know other thanks other than dh so yea

deft mortar
#

Vengeance is a dps spec

queen hemlock
#

Wonder if i can isolate it

deft mortar
#

Blood DK is a healer spec

queen hemlock
#

1 sec

plush ore
toxic pewter
#

the other tank is not playing properly

lusty grotto
#

i just wanna see how bad his co-tank is

toxic pewter
#

demolish do be hittin hard tho i cant lie LOL

queen hemlock
toxic pewter
#

i know I press demolish and im like yep im gonna rip

#

gotta do it anyway tho.. never aritifically lower your performance for anyone

queen hemlock
#

Literally away from keyboard

wicked pollen
#

i pray for you

deft mortar
#

Gotta make the lowest dps stressed out that they will be below the prot warr ALWAYS

wicked pollen
#

having to play with someone who has no clue

#

amen

deft mortar
#

Makes them play better

lusty grotto
#

yeah i like to look at those logs

#

just to see how much the co-tank is fucking up

queen hemlock
#

One sec

lusty grotto
#

sometimes though, you just giga rip as colossus, like that dude the other day

toxic pewter
#

if u aint rippin aggro u aint tryin hard enough.. that is my motto

sharp gale
#

I admit second week I tried to pug ansurek to get curve, I couldn’t tank it bc aggro (even as thane) so I had to kill her in dps

wicked pollen
#

i was watching my friend perma rip threat off a bdk as bear during hc ansurek prog

toxic pewter
#

the brewmaster should actively be trying to rip from you

deft mortar
lusty grotto
#

there's no excuse, all tanks can match up to colossus

#

and thane

wicked pollen
mighty valley
wicked pollen
#

bdk is also good

lusty grotto
#

dotc bear will rip off anyone

#

thats the outlier

toxic pewter
lusty grotto
#

there's no tank that can rip as fast as a dotc bear

toxic pewter
#

that is the equilibirim all tanks strive for

lusty grotto
#

period

#

end of story

deft mortar
#

If they nerfed prot warrs to the level of BDK idk if I'd be able to continue the spec

lusty grotto
#

if you afk, you're gonna get fucked

toxic pewter
#

well yeah we only popular when we do the good/big dam

lusty grotto
#

miss a gcd with a good dotc bear and you'll have to taunt just to match

wicked pollen
#

it also doesnt help if you have a bear player who knows how to do his rotation

toxic pewter
#

we arent even at the top but still competitive tho

deft mortar
#

We scale frfrfrfr

lusty grotto
#

being middle of the pack is always the best apb

#

cause we get buffs, and no nerfs 🙂

wicked pollen
#

look what happened to fury

lusty grotto
#

especially if tanks damage balancing is decent

toxic pewter
#

yep I cannot deny it is the best spot to be

deft mortar
#

Fury still slaps no?

#

They can nerf the warrior class, but they can't nerf the warrior player base

toxic pewter
#

all warr specs in good spot afaik

deft mortar
#

Far too mentally ill to be bad

wicked pollen
#

its good

#

but could be better

#

its getting buffed after getting nerfed

vocal cave
queen hemlock
lusty grotto
#

alright let me see

queen hemlock
#

Im tanking feast and
First pull i totally didnt expect feast damage nor liquify damage

#

Actually even now lmao
I dont know how the buster work
Reading around

lusty grotto
#

yeah your co-tank sucks

image.png
queen hemlock
#

WELL EM

lusty grotto
#

that's a rip

wicked pollen
lusty grotto
#

your brew is doing DF s1 damage

#

swap with him

sharp gale
#

Ye I saw that he has dmg pike at 1 m and the other one as no dmg pike basically

queen hemlock
#

How do you check 2 peopls dps time line,n

lusty grotto
#

click off total, click on both tanks, put mouse over the highest point

#

sorry

queen hemlock
#

How do i click off total?

lusty grotto
#

click it

wicked pollen
#

i just realized supreme got freed from ansurek gladge

lusty grotto
queen hemlock
#

Oh ah i oke

lusty grotto
#

your co tank needs to go to serenity peak and get some pointers cause 242k aint it

#

hell

queen hemlock
#

I mean u can go see the other logs

#

They busy parent

lusty grotto
#

@waxen frigate and/or @chilly brook can probably give you some pointers so you tell him whats going on

queen hemlock
#

And i once told the person u might want to do this route in a dawnbrealer
And might have pissed them kff LOL

lusty grotto
#

since both play brew

waxen frigate
wicked pollen
#

hes gaming

waxen frigate
#

this dude literally might as well be afk

#

holy fuck

lusty grotto
#

lmao

#

i mean 242k i hope hes afk

sharp gale
queen hemlock
#

Idk what any of those are

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
#

APM

waxen frigate
#

its literlaly just for gathering

lusty grotto
#

and casts

waxen frigate
queen hemlock
#

We were in a call
I heard
Your boss i guess
I replied
I clicked 3 buttons im literally not touching keyboard
Got liquified LOL

waxen frigate
#

literally he needs to fucking log out and read a guide

#

you cannot kill the boss with him doing this

wicked pollen
#

might have to talk with raid lead

queen hemlock
sharp gale
# waxen frigate its not a thing anywhere

A close friend proposed me to play the talent to remove tiger palm bc I hate it and I hate WoOand I’m a casual brew enjoyer (i press spinning to replace tiger palm)

waxen frigate
#

you will not kill this boss with him

rich solar
waxen frigate
#

and SCK is basically like whirlwind-tier

#

it does fucking zero dmg and doesnt interact with your kit at all

#

you definitely can if you're ok with being extremely suboptimal

queen hemlock
waxen frigate
#

but this guy is just straight up playing 100% wrong

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
#

he didnt press the #1 priority rotational key

#

a single time

#

imagine like... if you didnt press shield slam

#

ever

#

that's the equivalent to what he's doing

queen hemlock
#

Wad

sharp gale
waxen frigate
#

im more talking about this guy who is talented into tiger palm

#

but is pressing SCK 15x per minute on other fights

#

when it shouldnt be pressed ever unless you are willingly playing the bad build that doesnt have tp

sharp gale
#

Yes bc I do more than 250k pikes with bad talents on my 600 ilvl brew

queen hemlock
#

I
Idk mang she is a sub tank
I tried to give tips before and got scolded and since i dont know how to brew i just stfu

wicked pollen
#

XD

waxen frigate
#

do not press SCK

wicked pollen
#

might be time for new guild

queen hemlock
#

But when she tanked with another tank and i was dpsing
We got to p2

plush ore
#

If the other tank wasn't ripping aggro, you got to P2 just by timer

sharp gale
queen hemlock
#

It was a dh/dk
So i assume warrior burst dps is stupid

waxen frigate
#

because she doesnt know the bare basics of playing brew

queen hemlock
#

Idk im too socially inept with woman to bring up this case
Maybe ill send it to some guildie and say its a problem LOL

toxic pewter
#

well at least they are not blaming you for ripping aggro

wicked pollen
#

bring it up with gm/raid lead

queen hemlock
#

No they are they are

toxic pewter
#

Yep I knew it

#

Something is very wrong... its so bad yit had you questioning your very spec saying we may be the issue

plush ore
queen hemlock
#

I kept thinking i taunt
But why would i i was dpsing

toxic pewter
#

well at least you are not artifically lowering your gameplay for any reason whatsoever

#

nothing worse than allowing some numbskulls tell you to play worse

#

and then you actually doing that

queen hemlock
#

Well yea
I kinda properly started learning the game in SL season 3 and 4
Learned that spending rage felt good
Really fucking good

toxic pewter
#

I have /gquit guilds due ot situations you are in

waxen frigate
queen hemlock
#

APM WARRIOR PLS

toxic pewter
#

I will never stop pressing my buttons at the maximum ability I am able to for any reason whatsoever

#

nothing worse than others trying to bring me down

wicked pollen
#

you say that but as a dps player

toxic pewter
#

I do not care if I rip aggro off G-d himself

#

I will never stop

wicked pollen
#

if i "try to parse" on adds that need to die, im in the wrong

rich solar
#

however

queen hemlock
#

Yea funny how new thunderclap takes priority
Takes me back to bfa

#

Just thunderclap lmao

toxic pewter
#

I am old school, if a dps dies due to mob aggro, I am often blaming myself tbh

plush ore
rich solar
#

I cream every clap

sharp gale
#

Sorry but made me laugh

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rich solar
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Fire first

sharp gale
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Nice breath of fire while the boss comes toward you

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Light up the air

queen hemlock
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But thanks
Yea i kept thinking im fucking up lol

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Well i am on tank busters but

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Aggro side guess not me

rich solar
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Okay if you want your brew to stop using spin, give them this Weak Aura!

toxic pewter
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wait she is spinning crane kicking a single target boss

wicked pollen
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yes

sharp gale
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Weapons of order and niuzao 18 seconds into the fight half bloodlust is already gone

toxic pewter
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brings a whole new meaning to xalatoes

mighty valley
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this is just one of those social problems of very mixed skill/investment guilds

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the paths forward are basically either someone else tanks or someone trusted helps her improve

toxic pewter
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you know what must be done.. I will type it out for you.. all that you must do is copy.. paste.. and hit enter.. I will show you the door.. it is you who must enter it.. :

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/gquit

rich solar
mighty valley
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i’m guessing there’s a social connection here, it’s just an aotc guild

toxic pewter
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oh..

sharp gale
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I see you got paladins @queen hemlock they can BoP you on pull and she just taunt before ansurek cast liquefy

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She takes the boss first, when she get liquefy you cancel aura taunt

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And from that point she just taunt before every liquefy

toxic pewter
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you guys should 3 tank it

rich solar
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Why stop at 3

sharp gale
sharp gale
toxic pewter
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unironically 3 tanked queen last night just for fun and basically on final phase its not bad, 1 dude gets the infest runs away, 2nd tank takes gorge, 3rd tank taunt

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LOL

sharp gale
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Would love it

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I’m always sad I have to not attack those adds because « huh you can just leap to get them far », fucking dks get all the cookies

velvet jolt
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Who has some good vids/guides to nerd out on

sharp gale
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35% movespeeding towards them to steal my dps

queen hemlock
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well the guild is nice but they wanna push mythic and all

sharp gale
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Right ?

queen hemlock
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im very very hesitant
i feel like its those moments where ill start screaming
you not parsing at the very fucking least purple

queen hemlock
wicked pollen
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if a guild wants to push mythic it means they are at most getting 4 and quitting

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yes

queen hemlock
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ah oke so ill put it out there

sharp gale
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Finding a mythic guild as a tank 🗿

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As a not bdk tank 🗿

wicked pollen
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wont happen

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that wasnt that bad

queen hemlock
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maybe i didnt position well
maybe i didnt move enough
maybe the ground markers werent good enough
i obviously didnt micro manage(look at sense progging)

plush ore
wicked pollen
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it just seems you wont be happy

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find a new guild or suffer

sharp gale
queen hemlock
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the people are great really, the plays meh

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not gonna lie i dont enjoy playing +9s due to how stressful they are

sharp gale
queen hemlock
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pugging is already stressful
with some of them
it's 100% not gonna time

sharp gale
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Are you EU player ?

queen hemlock
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no
oce

sharp gale
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Fuck would have asked you if you need help to « calm down » for few keys

queen hemlock
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ah nah i would have burdened you for sure

sharp gale
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Not really, you seemed to understand and listen what strangers on a class discord, I don’t really mind not being with Jeventestv on his dogshit dk

molten gorge
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Nothing says you're dogshit faster than having TV in your name ngl

keen escarp
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are you guys doing t8 delves with brann as dps or heals? just gearing up my prot alt now

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currently im just doing heals with porcelain + amorphous not sure if thats the way to go though

lusty grotto
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when i did them

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dps

molten gorge
sharp gale
lusty grotto
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hey hey

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dont talk shit about grom

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whos also @south zealot 's guildmate

molten gorge
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Nobody shit talked Grom?

lusty grotto
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what u pushin bud

molten gorge
south zealot
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get pushed out of the guild

molten gorge
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Another top tier moment

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Gromnak has some bangers

lusty grotto
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any good grom moments so far choco?

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since you joined up

south zealot
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depends on what u consider good

lusty grotto
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LOL

molten gorge
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"They're paying me in Gamer Gummies?!"

south zealot
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full of bangers

lusty grotto
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ahahahahaha

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i could see that coming a mile away

nocturne spindle
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someone give me the motivation to push keys instead of stopping once i get all portals like i always do

lusty grotto
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AHAHAH the queen pull

molten gorge
sharp gale
molten gorge
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And that's as someone who finds it amusing

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But if he's serious, it's mental 😂

south zealot
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grom when hes not streaming is very fucking good

molten gorge
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Ya as I expected, for the views then

nocturne spindle
sharp gale
inner wren
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do it coward

sharp gale
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2 mobs to kick drain -> ofc drain on healer when gatekeeper is casting -> ofc they all have all 11s 2k7 rio -> ofc half 2k6-7 healer will just not heal it

nocturne spindle
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i still do the everything but gatekeepers route

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too lazy to change my ways

lusty grotto
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the colorblind mode LMAOOOOO

deft mortar
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Ngl idgaf what the dps or healers think about the pulls or route

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Bros come a dime a dozen

sharp gale
tacit fulcrum
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Hello dear tank mates 😉
My guild is at ovinax and i'm benched a few weeks.
Anyway.
I want to know if there is a cap on haste ?
Ty 😉

lusty grotto
deft mortar
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Why did u get benched tf

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Go to another guild

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Better yet only do M+ like me

sharp gale
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Bc he plays prot tank

tacit fulcrum
lusty grotto
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you still go haste

tacit fulcrum
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Hard haste

deft mortar
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I think it's 30% pure from stats

queen hemlock
tacit fulcrum
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What is the correct stat value ?

lusty grotto
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thats also the first DR

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which means nothing

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its 10% only

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we still go haste past that

nocturne spindle
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stop gemming and enchanting when you get tooooo

lusty grotto
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there's no cap this season, again, keep going haste

nocturne spindle
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25000?

sharp gale
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I love spreading hate

nocturne spindle
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whatever the first limit is

sharp gale
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Haste*

inner wren
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we go up to 100% haste

south zealot
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such a banger