protection

[tribal wharf]

i just think if they added a bunch of machine bits and then giant puffs of smoke on the clear one, and said smoke removes fire circles perodically is fine

[loud wave]

What talents are u Guys changing for m+ above 10 ?

[tropic tangle]

nothing

[jagged pier]

the same ones ive run all the time

[loud wave]

Could You post me talents You use ale the time? 😉

[pallid quiver]

The only potential talent change when you get to like 12s and above is BSV, but that has big opportunity cost

[jagged pier]

they are just cpoied from wowhead

[loud wave]

Ah I see .. so it's standard build

Thanks

[neon elk]

Im talking about vers buff

[past cobalt]

Mists of Tirna Scithe helmet vs City of Threads shield in vault, what to pick? I'm super undergeared cause this is not my main but those choices be difficult :<

[karmic plinth]

depends on their ilvl

[jagged pier]

what tracks are they

[past cobalt]

both hero and both my helm and shield are giga low

[terse hollow]

is there any pros/cons to doing a shield slam ignore pain macro?

[past cobalt]

if you are low on rage and shield block is almost gone

[warm silo]

what about defensive value

[terse hollow]

just finding the apm hard to keep up with aha

trying to find solutions

[pallid quiver]

In order of Ignore Pain/Shield Slam there's no downside if you're not trying to press it on the GCD, but it doesn't save any buttons

Since it only replaces your IP bind, not your SS bind

You still have a separate SS bind

[terse hollow]

i think that'd be fine

its less about buttons more about apm

[pallid quiver]

You're still pressing at the same speed

The only real way to fix that is to just practice

[terse hollow]

its more i have arthritis in my hands so its kinda tough

[pallid quiver]

Spend like 5-15 minutes a day, swinging at a dummy and thinking about your presses. Don't do more than that, or it's actively harmful

You may need to adjust your keybinds to be more comfy, or find more ergonomic equipment

Prot War is kinda stringent in having its buttons and having them pressed fast, and it's not too likely to change

You could also try playing as Colossus and give up the survival, since it's a slower playstyle than Thane, but you are squishier

[inner wren]

really hard to tell

imperceptible id say

[tribal wharf]

okay i made spark 4 now

still need other parts and a good item to craft, but see how it goes right

[runic hatch]

Am I the only one getting my ass handed to me on most packs in SoB?

[pastel remnant]

kinda new to tank with a prot warrior ( was on my blood dk ) . i was in raid last night and add some issue staying alive. some here told me with my log i didnt do enough shield block and IP. I just did and dummy test this morning ( 3tanking dummy) any one have time to check my log for some tips?

[past cobalt]

approx. what haste level do you use into the fray instead of heavy repercussions, if any?

[runic hatch]

I've heard 15k or so, but I'm not 100% sure

[autumn cosmos]

I am once again asking for opinions. Also I was considering changing my crafted belt to a crafted sword or shield since I have a good hero belt but I kiiinda don't wanna put in 90 gilded crests for it xddd

[short finch]

On wowhead they tell us to go for 2x vers <80% embellishment. Why all top players go Ascension on crafted weapon?

[nimble grail]

not all

[plush tendon]

your biggest upgrade is a shield

[runic hatch]

Because for raiding it's technically better for dps

[plush tendon]

doesnt look like you mythic raid

[autumn cosmos]

nah i dont

[plush tendon]

so the only way to get a good shield is craft or vautl

I would send craft shield

[short finch]

so 2x vers is still a solid option?

[nimble grail]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Kirawarrior

[plush tendon]

if you get lucky next reset with a shield in your vault (myth track) you can save crest upgrading it up to 636

[autumn cosmos]

Fair, what do you suggest I take from the vault out of those options? Someone said the ring would be a good choice

[short finch]

awesome ty

[plush tendon]

that is a nice crit/haste ring

[autumn cosmos]

It has leech on it too

[plush tendon]

id be happy with that

[autumn cosmos]

935

[plush tendon]

yea, I think you slam

put some sockets on it

and slot = done

[autumn cosmos]

would you just replace the devout zaelots ring to maintain the versa from the experiment band?

[plush tendon]

vers is whatever

[autumn cosmos]

since im only at 6.30%/3.15% versa as it is

[plush tendon]

you can sim your character

to see what gives you the most benefit

[autumn cosmos]

ah ye, fair

been simming but was kinda thinking about survivability as well

i have pretty low vers from what i can tell

[plush tendon]

unless you are stacking BFA corruption levels of vers (like 50%-80% vers) it doesnt matter

[autumn cosmos]

then again i probly wont give a shit about doing 11s+ right now cause i dont have a push group and im already full combat stancing as it is

[jagged pier]

i have 1% of vers too much

[stone moat]

You mean like stance dancing?

[plush tendon]

I kind of just sit in D-Stance now in days 😦

[autumn cosmos]

basically ye but there aren't a lot of pulls where i defensive stance anymore

[plush tendon]

battle stance feels less worth it

[earnest nymph]

did yesterday's mountain thane changes apply to prot as well? like the buff to lightning strikes and ground current, etc

[autumn cosmos]

i dont really lose hp on most stuff

[plush tendon]

[ornate thicket]

Yes

[earnest nymph]

ty

[stone moat]

I really only battle stance on a few bosses

[earnest nymph]

any idea if we swap from the thorim's might to the other one that causes more lightning strikes procs? now that it generates less rage and lightning strikes got buffed

[stone moat]

Wonder what the % dps increase is

[jagged pier]

nah nothing changes

[pale pier]

Hello guys, what are the stat numbers a fury warrior should have?

[cunning sleet]

would you take the weapon. Even tho it has shit stats. I can upgrade it to 639

[jagged pier]

#fury

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[zinc marten]

so end game we crafting bracers n belt?

[wicked pollen]

depends on what you are missing

[jagged pier]

or cloak if u dont want to fight over the rare one

[earnest nymph]

I did a shield because I needed a shield

and I put dawnthread on the shield

🤷‍♂️

[zinc marten]

we want to max ilvl both weapon + shield tho

[wicked pollen]

yeah but if you havent gotten either 636 > 626

so

[gritty eagle]

assuming you want bis, yes, 2 embellish on low budget pieces

[plush tendon]

bracers/belt/cloak

but the real answer... craft every armor piece for the tmog

tmog=true end game

[gritty eagle]

y, the crafted set is looking sick

[earnest nymph]

right, but I haven't gotten anything close to that and I'm not going to gimp myself on the possibility that I eventually get a max ilvl shield, etc

can always craft more later

[plush tendon]

^

we have so many crafts

and no where near enough crests

besides, you can send a low budget pieces on hero crafts if you want embellishments

save dem gildeds

[jagged pier]

honestly if u are getting myth pieces now easily u should just have your emblishment crafts and save all other crests to upgrade myth piece

imo

[opal arrow]

Guys hows colosus doing since I see every prot going thane?

[wicked pollen]

less tankier

[jagged pier]

its fine

[wicked pollen]

hi jakey :3

[jagged pier]

hi

[wicked pollen]

i did a gb last week with the wrong talents 🙂

[jagged pier]

congratz

[plush tendon]

less tanky and a bit harder to play

but it can do more damage

I stick to thane though

dont really want to add another keybind

[wicked pollen]

i dont have intervene on colo

so its that

the problem is on arms

[deft raptor]

wait when thane was buffed, it also applied to prot aswell?

[wicked pollen]

yes

[deft raptor]

huge

i thought they were just fury thane buffs but i'll take prot aswell xD

[pale pier]

Hello guys, what are the stat numbers a fury warrior should have?

[jagged pier]

#fury

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[lone bane]

swarmlord vs skarmorak shard (use mastery) which one is better?

[plush tendon]

id pesonally use Skarmorak

[toxic pewter]

I would prob us the mastery trinket myself i like how it lines up with cd's

[plush tendon]

lines up with Spear+ravager

[jagged girder]

Why we don't use an "each color gem" thing for our sockets and instead we stack the same gem on all sockets?

[jagged pier]

we can

the dps is just slightly less

[plush tendon]

I do

[toxic pewter]

I actually use all different colors myself

[jagged pier]

but for movespeed

u should

[plush tendon]

I want that extra movespeed

[toxic pewter]

wait what movespeed

oh the movespeed meta gem? I have been using the crit one

isnt it like .6% more crit dam or some crap

[plush tendon]

the crit damage is so small

id rather take 2% extra movespeed

per unique gem

movement is such a underrated stat

[toxic pewter]

.6 is like a quarter of dwarf/tauren racial

[lavish onyx]

Can anyone screen cap the buffs thane got ?

Can't find it

[wicked pollen]

#updates-midnight

[jagged girder]

that's a total of 8% move speed?

[plush tendon]

[jagged girder]

Good to know, ty

[plush tendon]

its also really nice for warrior

warriors have great movement when going towards mobs

but not really great movement going around mobs

if you know what I mean

[toxic pewter]

oh dang 8% move speed is actually pretty sweet.. i may swap out my gem

with fast footwork we zooming around like a demon hunter or some crap lmao

[plush tendon]

[toxic pewter]

is .6% more crit damage any good

like does that even equate to 1% more damage

prob like less than 1%

[cosmic canyon]

Nothing but damage matters / prot discord 😛

[twilit lagoon]

Is it correct that we don’t craft items with dawnlight embellishment until we have 639 weapon/shield?

[dusky canopy]

I have been using the speed gem since launch

[toxic pewter]

you can craft a weapon and shield even.. many have i crafted a shield myself

[dusky canopy]

Its nice to have the edge on speed

[toxic pewter]

yeah i am gonna use it

i like to go fast

[dusky canopy]

The .6% Crit damage is like ehh

Rather be speedy boi

I’ve got like 5% speed before the gem so I’m zoomin

[toxic pewter]

dang im at 118% movement speed now

this owns

[strong forum]

a lot lot lot less

the crit dmg gem is turbo bait

cuz its bugged

[dusky canopy]

Ye go speed

Speed owns

[toxic pewter]

oh damn thx for info

[strong forum]

it does like 2k extra dps at best

[nocturne spindle]

I was so tempted for zoom now I gotta

[toxic pewter]

is having 1 gem with stam on it awful its not the end of the world right

stam and haste

it is what it is

[dusky canopy]

You don’t need a stam gem

[strong forum]

is whatever

gems are turbo weak

[toxic pewter]

am i missing one

[dusky canopy]

Emerald, onyx, sapphire, ruby

[nocturne spindle]

But you could get 10% with amber or whatever

[toxic pewter]

what about amber tho

[nocturne spindle]

[dusky canopy]

Hmmmm

[toxic pewter]

oh right yeah i have 10% move speed

stam sucks but screw it

[dusky canopy]

Might have to sacrifice and get an amber gem

[toxic pewter]

ya might as well for 2% more speed

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[toxic pewter]

well its your call perhaps

[nocturne spindle]

I mean I think most people would sac 170 haste for 2% speed

It's calling it the Stam gem that hurts

[dusky canopy]

Ye that’s a good trade

[nocturne spindle]

The Stam is a bonus

[toxic pewter]

yeah not end of the world i guess

im so fast!!

[tribal wharf]

is gems if i have any socket i get a jewelcrafter to make primary stat one always

or is it i need meta socket

not engi shit, if that even exists

cuz those are total different

i have a champion non-tier helm with socket, but veteran tier maxxed helm

[severe chasm]

Guys what’s the major difference is the ability rotation of mountain thane and colossus? I’ve been wanting to try colossus, I feel as though I’m too comfortable with mountain thane.

[dusky canopy]

Don’t forget to pickup fast footwork idk if the Prot build uses it

But it’s worth

[toxic pewter]

yeah some builds dont but screw it

gotta go fast

[dusky canopy]

Freaky fast

@lusty grotto what’s crackin slow guy

[nocturne spindle]

Less thunderclap more revenge

[toxic pewter]

i would be totally instane if I swapped leech enchants for speed.. totally demented...

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[nocturne spindle]

Less ip spam as your spending rage on revenge

[dusky canopy]

DK moments

I’m bummed bro I lost the vote for ovinax ring with speed last night

[tribal wharf]

IM GUNNA STEP ON THE GAS

[dusky canopy]

It had almost 900 speed!

[toxic pewter]

wow damn that some nice speed

[neon elk]

Thats like 3.5-4% , im still thinking about wrist enchant just because zoom zoom

[severe chasm]

i see, and should i only cast demolish when i have max stacks of colossal might

[toxic pewter]

just send it on cd

[nocturne spindle]

CD is more damage and your swapping to more revenge to just have more stacks in general

[tribal wharf]

what im thinking of now

is in sonic 2

when u find a uh, ground ball launcher, and then you get sent through like, 3 loops and 2 more launchers, and then out upwards

and you go so fast the game has no idea whats going on

[severe chasm]

alrighty, thanks for the help!

[tribal wharf]

when you say fast, thats how fast im thinking of

[zealous goblet]

i charged into your mother if u know what i mean

[tribal wharf]

you can do that on some sonic levels and beat them in 20 seconds

massive momentum built up and ubroken

[plush tendon]

thats mean!

shes a old lady

Senior hate crime

[zealous goblet]

you shouldn't call your mom old

[neon elk]

How is practicing love hate crime tho

[zealous goblet]

das fucked up

[zealous goblet]

as opposed to on the field love?

get it

practice

ha

[blazing condor]

but my mom is old

why you placing negative value in the word "old"

[zealous goblet]

because it is a negative trait

i plan to kill myself at the ripe age of 45

[unkempt hazel]

it's just life

[zealous goblet]

if you're a real man

you know when its time to go

(this is a joke)

[neon elk]

How long do u have left?

[stone moat]

damn dude

the vibes are not good atm

[zealous goblet]

idk im not good at math

[unkempt hazel]

just say 35

[zealous goblet]

i saID IT'S A MEME

[neon elk]

Damn thats a nice reason also xd

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/francis-boogie2988-flip-rage-gif-9160180

[stone moat]

thoughts on the speed?

[unkempt hazel]

what the heck

why u have 2 sockets

[stone moat]

i got 15k sheet haste so i already got a ton

[zealous goblet]

its a tertiary stat, what, you gonna grind for leech or avoidance?

FUGGETABOUTIT

JUST BE HAPPY WITH WHATCHU GOT

YA BUM

[stone moat]

yaya ok

[zealous goblet]

but it is nice

[stone moat]

wym why not

[zealous goblet]

i think he's confused about HOW you got 2 sockets

[unkempt hazel]

[zealous goblet]

which i believe is an item like in dragonflight for jewelery

i forget the name

[stone moat]

oh, magnificent setting

[toxic pewter]

yeah go to ah buy the magnificent setting

[unkempt hazel]

so they just increased the amount of sockets?

damn

[zealous goblet]

yes, if it's like dragonflight you need higher ranks of it for more

3 star for 3 sockets

i believe

[neon elk]

Its just 1 rank

[zealous goblet]

OH

[unkempt hazel]

wait dont tell me

[zealous goblet]

they streamlined it

was like that in df

[neon elk]

And u dan apply 2 into each jewel

[wide pilot]

So when you got a double guardians pack you spell reflect 1st one, shield wall 2nd. 3rd and 4th are covered by spell block. 5th will have reflect back up but nothing for 6th 7th or 8th lol demo shout and IP are def not enough on a 10+ for it

[unkempt hazel]

it costs a fortune

[covert canopy]

they remove 1 socket from the neck but you can put 2 on each ring, so total 6 sockets on jewels

[neon elk]

Are u solo kiling them or how tf u geting to 8 of them?

[unkempt hazel]

ohhh wait I did look up for neck

since I didnt socket it ig it was too expensive

gg

didnt want it anyway

[neon elk]

They should not live that long , no matter what. Usualy they die after 2nd cast in my cases ( 10-11s)

[wide pilot]

Each one casts at least 3 times in the 10s ive been in. Only time i live on the last cast is of healer just pumps me while im spamming IP. And im not even mentioning when i go from a double guardians pack room to another double guardian room back to back lol

[wide pilot]

How many are they casting for you usually

[jagged pier]

so theres a simple rotation

sr the first

sw the second

spell block

covers loads

then repeat

[neon elk]

Then something is wrong with your dps i would say, and still even for 3 casts u can live that , even if one goes thru and u have nothing , healer should be able to heal u "just fine"

Nothing else hurt there, call for external if needed..

[pallid quiver]

instructions unclear, unbound sr, pressed SW while walking to the room, and talented bleed damage increase instead of spell block

[neon elk]

U can also LS+impending and pot which is like a LoH

[jagged pier]

unluck

[zealous goblet]

you can also demand disc before next key and yell slurs for every mistake

prot warrior scales linearly with racism

the hidden stat priority

[wide pilot]

I guess my problem would be SW not being back up for the 6th….5th being another SR

[pallid quiver]

That's probably a not enough button pressing issue, since I wager there'd be at least a minute gap by that point

since spell block lasts 30s

[neon elk]

Yea it definitely is , that pack shouldnt live longer than 1min, and if it does then u have SW back up

[reef hazel]

Yo how are people routing the GB but where you have the one lava bender on a bridge and two warlocks to the right?

[neon elk]

Worst case u can run double SW but thats like not very optimal..

[reef hazel]

I've tried pulling him back solo and skipping the warlock but it feels cringe

People die if I get all 3 so eh idk

[neon elk]

I pull them together

On 10-11s , seemed fine , there are far worse pulls ive done

[toxic pewter]

I finally got 1

LOL Do I actually use a veteren trinket

[jagged pier]

lul

sim

[primal narwhal]

its heroic, but im happy to reach orange on princess today

[unkempt hazel]

big

[jagged pier]

[lofty veldt]

Congrats gamer!

Here’s to getting pink parses next

[lofty veldt]

Also I love your kuma pfp

[toxic pewter]

Grats

[dusky canopy]

HIS WUT

[primal narwhal]

he likes my big hairy bear

nothing wrong with that

[minor cosmos]

Had a guy tell me to drop Enduring Alacrity for Disrupting Shout for M+, said it was op. None of the guides I've read have a build with that. Also to take Thunderous Roar instead of Champion's Spears, also no guide recommends that. Thoughts?

[jagged pier]

u drop blood surge for disrupting shout

and u can take roar for colossus

but its less rage and dps for thane

but its okay for snap aggro

[plush tendon]

Alacrity is crazy strong

8% armor, 8% stam and 2% haste

for 1 talent point

sign me up

[minor cosmos]

I was very wary of removing Alacrity, glad I asked. I'm Thane btw

So it's totally valid to go for shout but maybe not roar?

[jagged pier]

u can go for roar is u want

and u can go for shout

but u drop blodsurge for shout

[minor cosmos]

Right, thanks alot ^^

[neon elk]

Unless u play with full caster group, i wont pick shout tho

[minor cosmos]

Yeah I guess that's a fair point

Depending on if them melee know where their kick is 🙂

[neon elk]

Like at least for me , it has very niche use and u might as well not have it . But its a preference point

[minor cosmos]

The Method guide differs quite a bit to the Wowhead/Icy ones, like they don't take Sidearm or Champion's might. Perhaps I'm better off with those talents, at least Sidearm seems powerful.

[muted arch]

anyone know where to go to reforge gear

[minor cosmos]

reforging was removed in WoD, do you mean recraft? in that case crafting order or your own profession tab

[toxic pewter]

cant reforge gear anymore

[muted arch]

oh what, i thought i read if we crafted lower ilvl gear we could exchange for higher later

[minor cosmos]

that's recrafting idd

[muted arch]

yeah that sorry lol

[minor cosmos]

the crafting order interface will have a "Recraft" option

[muted arch]

fuck right there, start recrafting orde

thanks lol

[twilit turtle]

Hi folks, im a new tank ilvl 580. any suggestion to get 605 fast? another question icy/wowhead/maxxroll guide are the best? any advise for stats are appreciated for M+ and raid content

[drifting dagger]

Do u have friends to funnel u gear? That’s the fastest

[south sparrow]

delves are not bad way to get gear now.

[drifting dagger]

Ya bountiful delves aren’t bad

[keen nymph]

timewalking is nice

[drifting dagger]

I always just kept getting trinkets tho

[keen nymph]

free hero piece for raid

[tardy abyss]

Does Berserker Rage work for the new affix?

[unkempt trout]

whats ppls opener to first pulls of the dungeon just to live usuall, just charge/shield charge - IP - thunder clap while gather then pop like shout/spear?

maybe a shield wall on pull since you're weak

[earnest nymph]

ravager + charge should be enough rage to get a SB up at the start, then basically just follow prio list

[warped nymph]

do parses matter on prot? what does it even measure I guess

[south sparrow]

I use shieldwall on pull if it is hard hitting pack. and I try to do double thunderclap by using thunderclap, then avatar to get thunder clap/blast to use again. Since you can talent avatar to reset your thunder clap.

[clear kestrel]

Any Raid leaders can maybe help. Heard of a WA that condenses all world markers into one button and it follows a set pattern/rotation

Rather than binding each marker

[unkempt trout]

i usually like shield charging asap to get shield block up asap and shield wall on pull so i can last until they're all gathered

then demo shout

[south sparrow]

your starting rotation is good, I just thought you could try to add that double thunderclap to it.

[hoary pivot]

I think thats kinda the point (sorry, simmed it just now) - for me its -0.14% damage to gain 10% movespeed - I would choose the 10% movespeed talent over the 0.14% dps one

[earnest nymph]

I don't think shield charge is intended to be used on pull unless you have nothing else

[umbral kernel]

I wish fucking aug didn't exist in this game

[earnest nymph]

you want to send it during spear if possible

[latent tusk]

So from what I’ve read all morning, the crit gens are bait, go for all colors for max speed

[hoary pivot]

thats kind of the result for me when simming at least

the gem impact is already low, the difference between secondaries is also low for us and movespeed is really nice as a tank

<0.2% dmg loss to gain 10% movespeed sounds pretty worth

[twin hill]

Since ive seen some streamers play it: how good is "Immovable Object" compared to "Unstoppable Force"?

[hoary pivot]

but tbh, it seems to be low for other classes too. simmed it for the fdk in our group and full optimal gems w/ crit gem vs full rainbow w/ movespeed is -0.36% damage for 10% movespeed, which still seems worth in m+

[strong forum]

as mountain thane its trolling to play immovable object cuz you lose upwards of 12% damage output, but the talent itself is insanely overpowered if played correctly but it has so far never really been played

for predictable tank busters and high dmg intake IO can be insane

[lavish solstice]

Guys do you have a plater or weakaura to show diminishing returns of the mobs CCed?

I kinda lost when i should reapply the stun

[pallid quiver]

Of note for this is that UF does also have defensive benefit from the extra rage generated from the thunder claps, though it's not as strong as a shield wall outta nowhere, so it does help smooth damage over time a slight bit, plus more rage to cycle for AM

[neon elk]

Its also more fun to play , unles u have wrist issues or cramps

[autumn cosmos]

can you equip more than 2 crafted items if they dont have embellishments

[tardy abyss]

yes

[twilit lagoon]

hey, wanna craft my first crafted item now (shield). would you put an embellishment on that shield or better on another slot?

[pallid quiver]

Optimally, it's on another slot, but optimally, you also have a max ilvl shield

[late bramble]

People playing Colossus in keys now?

[pallid quiver]

You can always remove threads via recrafting later, so you can send it on shield

[twilit lagoon]

ye wanna craft that shield until i can replace it with an 639

[pallid quiver]

People have been; you sacrifice a notable amount of defensive power for more AOE DPS potential

If you manage to live just fine and don't steal healer attention during periods of party damage, it works just fine, arguably better than Thane since you're just doing more damage

[fickle coyote]

Guys

[autumn cosmos]

does anyone know how many fractured sparks we are supposed to be able to have at this point?

[fickle coyote]

what is the play here?

they sim within 5 DPS of eachother on ST

xD

[autumn cosmos]

i have 1 fractured spark and 3 crafted items but this script says im 6 out of 7

[lunar grail]

Did the hotfix today changes something for us today? Bad or good?

[neon elk]

We are at 8 fractured now tho, arent we ? @autumn cosmos

4 full sparks in total

[pallid quiver]

Not really much impact overall; you get less rage and do a bit more damage if Thane

[fickle coyote]

I was thinking Organ for consistency

but I really like the design of larynx

big pump when u pop 5 stacks

aid me godly warlords

Also, probably will never see myth track larynx again?

[neon elk]

U play m+ also? If so try aoe sim

[fickle coyote]

ye but main focus is raiding

[neon elk]

Ye u migh never see it again, but u can farm hero one and up it, maybe check how much difference there is ?

[stiff bane]

I’m new to the prot warrior game! I’m really loving it.. I have a question and this was probably answered at some point but is it a good idea to macro ignore pain with any abilities?

[tribal wharf]

i have both and both are good

[fickle coyote]

I have hero larynx and Organ

so yeah

😄

[neon elk]

Well xd

Toss a coin?

But i would honestly do aoe sim, if they are same on st, go for one that wins aoe ? Makes most sense to me

[strong forum]

Larynx is fun and can highroll

Organ is just passive meh

[dusky canopy]

[tribal wharf]

my favorite bad trinket

[weak sinew]

Just my probably useless 2 cents but larynx cant drop on mythic, organ can, larynx you might not see mythic again

[neon elk]

Also perhaps do raid this week, maybe u drop it also

[dusky canopy]

One blasts more than the other

[tribal wharf]

that trinket would be good if it was int and the mobs went on players

[fickle coyote]

This what I was thinking

[mighty valley]

No, you'll burn through rage real fast - however you can macro Shield Slam into your Ignore Pain bind to sometimes snipe Shield Slam resets you might've missed

[tribal wharf]

biggest hit i have ever seen it hit for total in 1 combat 1 usage

3.2 million

did 1.1m 1.1m 1.0m basically

[fickle coyote]

You talking about the larynx?

[tribal wharf]

yes

it can hit for insanely high dmg

[fickle coyote]

thats like, a butload yeah

simmin aoe as we speak, then I decide

[tribal wharf]

it sims low

[fickle coyote]

as in undersimming? or just a bad trinket in aoe?

[toxic pewter]

i got a lfr mad queens mandate this thing still htis for 2mil per cast

[autumn cosmos]

can i remove an embellishment by recrafting?

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[silent sphinx]

anything prot can do for this weeks afix?

[pallid quiver]

LS+IV to try and fight the heal end of it

[mighty valley]

you can spec into bitter immunity but it's a 3min so kinda eh

[pallid quiver]

It's only 3 min if you let it be 3 min

Just gotta apply a little bit of the cheat engine, y'know?

[mighty valley]

Mind over matter?

[reef hazel]

is there a wa for this new affix

[odd heath]

Hi guys, is there a way to remove xalathat bargain devour debuff as a war prot by myself ?

[dusky summit]

bitter immunity

[pallid quiver]

#protection message

I recommend scrolling up to there

[odd heath]

Ye I could have read a few lines over me my bad tx

[muted arch]

Anyone know if the affix is on a set timer?

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, you can either try to fight the healing part or give up a talent for bitter

[muted arch]

To plan pulls around it

[reef hazel]

impending victory helps if they heal it off

[pallid quiver]

My kneejerk guess is that there's a minimum time period between and a maximum time period between, like most affixes, but I haven't done a single M+ yet with this affix

I'm just guessing based off other affixes so far all working that way

[reef hazel]

time period on this anecdotally seems to be slower than others

[muted arch]

Yeah that’s probably right

[muted arch]

Seems that way to me too

[south sparrow]

I also use impending victory for the affix.

[muted arch]

Sucks when it pops during a dicey pull tho lol

[reef hazel]

last weeks was there every 2 fucking seconds

[muted arch]

I try and hit a big pull right after it

[reef hazel]

It shouldn't make a pull any more dangerous other than maybe distracting healer tho

[pallid quiver]

Causese's dungeon WA pack should have a bar marking those intervals and counting down to them

[reef hazel]

If anything big pull more dies you can victory if off

[mighty valley]

it's really not so bad, tons of classes can spec into a cleanse

[reef hazel]

I was worried it'd be more frequent, but the way it is now its a non issue

[solid sun]

Hey, vault question - this is my char:

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/the-maelstrom/shieldy

and i got from vault the following items:

hero track:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=225577/sureki-zealots-insignia
https://www.wowhead.com/item=211984/warsculptors-barbute

myth track:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=162541/band-of-the-roving-scalawag
https://www.wowhead.com/item=219316/ceaseless-swarmgland

which should i choose? the trinket is mediocre, and the ring is bad stats. i got a champion item on both head and neck, and these hero tracks are BIS. im just sad to miss out on a myth track item 😦

thx for answering!

[mighty valley]

dear god

[neon elk]

Dude just post a screenshot next time xd

[solid sun]

yea new here, didnt know it would be so shitty xD

sorry

i did remove the embedded for all, hope it works

[mighty valley]

i'd take the neck probably, you'll see another myth ring

one with haste hopefully

[solid sun]

neck over head?

[mighty valley]

the neck is rarer, you can catalyze any helm into tier

[solid sun]

good point

thx!

[molten gorge]

We out here

[chilly brook]

Grats

[molten gorge]

tyty

did a little self grief tho

forgot to put prot first boss

shield dropped

[chilly brook]

I’m just hoping I actually put out good damage this raid

[molten gorge]

I've been playing Arms offspec with a 626 weapon

[molten gorge]

you've got this King 💪

[violet ginkgo]

Crazy I've done 5 times heroic sikran up to just now now, this str sword never even drop, always the int sword.

[molten gorge]

the rng is real

[pallid quiver]

You won't; I've affixed your account with a modifer that halves all damage you do. As you raid, suffer from knowing that your damage is half of what it should be.

[stone moat]

is the reason crafted neck isnt run by one1 b/c you cant add the dusk lining?

Since i'm unlikely to win raid neck, crafted neck seems like a good upgrade over SV mastery neck

[pallid quiver]

Partially, but also because the very rare neck is technically bis

Since it gives a proc that costs no stat budget

[high wyvern]

What do i do when i have violent outburst proc but shield slam on CD

[ionic adder]

Why nerf, i have no more rage now

[neon elk]

Ive crafted neck, because ill probably wont mythic raid anytime soon, and crafted sims better than hc very rare(for me) also chances to get sv one in vault are rather small .

[chilly brook]

[pallid quiver]

You can fish for a reset using revenge for like 1-2 globals without a massive hit to performance; sending it on Thunder Blast also isn't terrible in ST

[high wyvern]

It feels bad autoing haha waiting

[chilly brook]

Honestly I think half of it is the fact that my screen is just information overload due to “required” WAs which also probably kill my performance

[pallid quiver]

If you're auto-attacking, that's the single worst thing you can do. It's worse than sending it on T Clap

You should never have an empty global as Prot

[edgy bone]

I've heard different

Even @strong forum 's guide says different

[pallid quiver]

just sneak into the WA suites you're told to grab and turn half off them off, ez

[edgy bone]

The guide says misusing outburst procs is a massive DPS loss

[high wyvern]

Ye sometimes i have outburst proc. But shield slam is on 5s cooldown. I have thunder clap up

Not sure if to send it on thunderclap or wait

[pallid quiver]

#protection message

Again, you'll want to fish for a SS reset, but if you can't get it, it is what it is

You can't just simply force RNG to work, although you can give yourself more chances by pressing RNG

Thunder Blast does more damage and generates more rage than thunder clap, hence why it's not terrible, but it's not preferable

[high wyvern]

Best chance to fish for shield slam reset is revenge?

[pallid quiver]

Thunder Clap, Revenge, Execute, and Devastate/Devastator autos are what resets SS

[mighty valley]

it's the only thing other than tc (and auto attacking) so yeah

[pallid quiver]

Since Thunder Clap uses up outburst,

[mighty valley]

oh right execute when available

[pallid quiver]

your only way to spend globals is with revenge/execute

[high wyvern]

so basically revenge / execute got it and pray

[pallid quiver]

By and large, yeah; realistically, it should be up by the time the GCD refreshes after pressing the 2nd revenge

If the first revenge didn't proc it, the second might, and you have the auto-attacks in between all of those also trying to proc SS

[high wyvern]

I didnt see it in the announcement. But after rage nerf and thane buff, was it overall a buff or nerf to prot warr?

[jagged pier]

its a whole lot of nothing

thats what it was

[strong forum]

ST dmg buff, rest is w/e

[pallid quiver]

Over the course of like 30 minutes, if playing perfectly and never overcapping rage, you might lose out on a few seconds of Shield Wall CDR

we're donezo, ruined

[high wyvern]

Cuz apparently it was a huge buff for fury. They start running thane fury now in high M+

[pallid quiver]

There were other changes to Fury directly, as well, iirc

[strong forum]

that was the intend of the entire patch this reset

[high wyvern]

They kinda nerf the aoe burst and buff aoe sustain

[strong forum]

that the other hero talent tree gets competetive for alot of specs

[jagged pier]

PEAK VAULT FARM

[fluid pasture]

had 6 stonevaults in my top 8 last week

still dont have the neck

[pallid quiver]

gibe me one of those 10s

i don't wanna run a dungo

[silent sphinx]

ran 30 siege

no boots/belt

:[

[pallid quiver]

That might be more dungeons than I've ran this season at all

[mighty valley]

went to vegas

[silent sphinx]

work was real quiet

[mighty valley]

put $100 into the golden girls slot machine

[silent sphinx]

all i did last week was siege

[mighty valley]

no jackpot :[

[dusky canopy]

Wait is this still shadowlands?

Was I dreaming!?

[neon elk]

Isnt gb one better tho?

[blazing condor]

literally shadowlands

[muted spire]

With the changes prot warrior received have the builds changed at all?

[tranquil charm]

what embellishment should i use for crafted weapon?

[nocturne vine]

Guys i have double silken versa but its showing only one in the buffs, does it work double?

[unreal sage]

hi folks, got little problem

2nd one has leech and socket

[nocturne vine]

Sim it

[unreal sage]

but i can only sim dps aspect right?

[nocturne vine]

Yup

[unreal sage]

i got 2% versa so idk if i will struggle on m+ soon

[neon elk]

Isnt devout one like haste crit ?

[unreal sage]

yes, 1st is haste versa

2nd cryt haste

[sleek bolt]

fresh 80 with 590 crafted wep but 626 queen shield and only 2 set but 2 catalyst charges and no trinkets, what would you take

[chilly brook]

Not the weapon

Since you can just upgrade the already crafted one

[pallid quiver]

but the mog tho

[molten gorge]

Zealot is yuge no?

Crit Haste, and that one has socket + leech?

[unreal sage]

yes sir

[nocturne vine]

Repost

[molten gorge]

ez send on Zealot then imo

[tribal wharf]

@silent sphinx

the file name is where axe jpg

cuz im farming 2 h axe

GUESS WHAT I NEVER GOT

[sleek bolt]

didnt waste a spark tho, only weathered crest, still take something else?

[tribal wharf]

the 18 was once again, i got carried by druid

[jagged pier]

good old days

[tribal wharf]

he did like, i forget how much but he basically did all the dmg to explosives in my 18 theatre

[violet ginkgo]

Why yogi nickname back to default

[mighty valley]

his message has been received

[tribal wharf]

nothing ppl come in screeching about en-masse recently

so no need

[mighty valley]

we haven't had haste or candle questions

[chilly brook]

Still I would just send craft on shield and weapon

[tribal wharf]

cuz, late season, like, 11.2 11.3

its gunna be everyone has tons and tons and tons of secondaries

so, some of the tanks doing high keys will be have 25 30 35% versa

then that discussion will happen again

40% haste itf discussion only happened so early in tww cuz haste helps us both deal dmg and maximize survival

[chilly brook]

Brother

Haste never stops being valuable for prot

[warm shard]

Hey guys i have big vault problem on my warrior mythic set chets upgrade from heroic set chest or heroic 326 sikar neck from champion neck
mythic item overall better or is this raid neck big upgrade more worth ?
can someone help me gimme a advice

[sleek bolt]

is the weekly timewalking quest only normal loot or does it change to hc after higher ilvl?

[chilly brook]

Sim it

[smoky anvil]

Weekly quest is champion, doing Ulduar tw with ulduars quest is a hero track

[neon elk]

How many candles do i need if i run 30%?

[warm shard]

its lookin like that the main questions is for non mythic raiders do i have to choose mythic item all the time ?

[chilly brook]

Sim it brother

[warm shard]

then the neck would be better

but i mean long term

[violet ginkgo]

that rare neck is really tempting though

[chilly brook]

There you go

The neck is a pretty large item even at heroic ilvl

[tribal wharf]

i never understand these people who have amazing transmog and then they ruin it with a shitty unmatching weapon

[smoky anvil]

If I were in your position I’d go neck. The neck may not spawn again, you may never get it in raid. IF YOU WILL MYTHIC RAID though then I’d go myth track chest.

[tribal wharf]

only 1/2 mad

[chilly brook]

Long term you have a ton of opportunities to get myth track armor

Neck is very rare

[green bronze]

which BOE slots does mythic raid drop?

[neon elk]

Boots head iirc

[smoky anvil]

If you don’t mythic raid that neck is basically the best you’ll get. You can always catalyst a myth track chest later in season. You’re far more likely to see one.

[tranquil charm]

what embelishment for weapon?

[jagged pier]

none preferably

[tranquil charm]

why none?

[strong forum]

cuz ascendancy outside of raid is kinda whack

[tranquil charm]

oh you can only have 2 embelishments equipped so its better to use on shield and wrist/waist/boots?

[pallid quiver]

Shield you want the highest ilvl possible, so you'd put the embel on wrist and the like

Since shield is the only piece that gives block value

[teal linden]

Quick question boys, is transmitire any good for us in m+? got the 616 in vault or the 623 wrathbark greathelm 1/6 myth that I can convert to tier

[hexed onyx]

only upgrade is trinkets, any idea?

[tribal wharf]

u dont want throngus finger

dont make me change the name again

the reason is, between blocks and parries, we dont see dodges happen

[plush tendon]

might just be a socket angle

[edgy bone]

@warm shard bruh you got myth track sikran neck?

Or is that hero track

[sweet surge]

uuuuuuuuuuughhhhh

[pulsar matrix]

Hero it's just maxed out of the box

[edgy bone]

Why would you go myth track chest over that neck lol

I went all of DF season 1 never seeing a grieftorch drop or get it from vault

[sweet surge]

do I get the fucking shield that is just 3ilvl upg but it's a shield, but I also have to spend a fuckton of crests to update that I can use elsewheeere... do I get the shitty neck that I already have but on myth track

[warm shard]

Hero track

[edgy bone]

If you pass on that neck you'll never see it again, whereas you'll eventually get a myth track some-kinda-chest that you can catalyst

[sweet surge]

[edgy bone]

Our class is struggling to hit the haste breakpoint to truly unleash its potential and you're going to pass on the single biggest haste item you can acquire?

[novel tangle]

is this anygood ?

[jagged pier]

no

[edgy bone]

Even a crafted 636 neck would give you 2500 less haste than a 626 sikran

[novel tangle]

seems kinda bad

[edgy bone]

Big words from a guy my prot warrior would frontflip dunk his nuts on your forehead

[wraith totem]

would you replace a tier hero gloves for myth tier gloves or this

[jagged pier]

yes

[edgy bone]

Why yes?

3ilvl is that big?

[hardy snow]

imo tier, cause its mythic so you won't replace it, back even not this rare but on myth track will be better, but thats up to you

[sweet surge]

Like, in case I don't get another shield sure, but for the time being with a billion items needing gilded to upgrade

its less clear in my mind

obviously I want the max ilvl shield

[edgy bone]

@jagged pier Could you give the explanation on why a 639 poop stats shield is better than a 636 BiS stats one?

[sweet surge]

but having to upgrade it 5 freaking times to even make it better than mine is sussy to me

[jagged gust]

Pound for pound shield block rating is your most important defensive stat

[sweet surge]

course it is, but I'd be able to upgrade a bunch of stuff with the gilded crests

[jagged gust]

You could be naked and still be a decent tank as long as your shield is equipped

[edgy bone]

How much more survivability is a 639 over a 636 then

[chilly brook]

That's not how that works

[jagged gust]

Depends on k rating I suppose

[edgy bone]

What is k rating

[sweet surge]

@chilly brook wdym

[chilly brook]

It costs you no crests

up to 636

[sweet surge]

would it be free cuz of the crafter?

[green bronze]

i know your pain)

[sweet surge]

I thought crafted didn't count

[chilly brook]

it does

[jagged gust]

Arbitrary number that blizzard controls that dictates how much block is worth depending on the content

[sweet surge]

I am defo getting old

I am sure I used to know this in DF

[chilly brook]

It also counted in DF

[sweet surge]

no idea why I am suddenly confused

[chilly brook]

All that matters is the ilvl of the item

[edgy bone]

So you don't have a real answer?

[sweet surge]

yaya, I know i know, I had just deluded myself into thinking that crafted slots didn't work w/ the discount

for some reaosn

[edgy bone]

I asked you for an answer and you just summoned smoke and mirrors to direct me towards something that can't be answered

Classic

[south zealot]

“poop stats” dont exist esp on shields bc block is your best stat by far

[chilly brook]

tf are you on

k value is a real thing

[inner wren]

ticon yappin way too much

[void wadi]

do we set loot spec to fury/arms?

since tank trinkets are meh

[edgy bone]

Ok so could I get an educated guess at the answer to my question?

[violet ginkgo]

aren't you curious what he consume? 🙂

[inner wren]

he gave you a straight answer you clown

[edgy bone]

I want a %

[south zealot]

this question?

[edgy bone]

Yes

[south zealot]

idk man and i dont think anyone here knows

if you wanna craft a shield go for it lol

[edgy bone]

Then why talk like you do

[green bronze]

takin 639 shield over 639 shield is a question i think about every day, i think i came to a conclusion that you should take shield if you are going to push harder content, but its fine to take other myth items if you are not pushing hard. But keep in mind that you might regret it later in the season

[chilly brook]

Don't be a regard

[edgy bone]

"Hey it's better trust me bro." Ok by how much? Uhhh idk no one does

[grizzled orbit]

im around 600ilvl 1.8rio, how do u gear, farm those +6 until u get some hero items then upgrade it?

[chilly brook]

By a good amount

[south zealot]

block is our best stat

[edgy bone]

Might as well be 1%

[south zealot]

bc we block everything

[chilly brook]

If you really wanna know that much you can go grab a 636 and a 639 and compare the block value in your character sheet

[south zealot]

seems simple enough to me

[chilly brook]

Like

You can check yourself

But it's definitely worth 3ilvl

[south zealot]

i dont have to be able to quantify something to know its better or worse

[edgy bone]

If it's 1% better

[south zealot]

poop stats also dont really exist

[edgy bone]

Then drops to 0.5% better when you consider stat misallocations

Is it really worth sacrificing something else from vault

[chilly brook]

It's not 1%

[inner wren]

secondary memes

[chilly brook]

stop being pedantic

[edgy bone]

Then what is it

You won't even give me an educated guess

You just keep saying trust me bro

Like c'mon dawg

[south zealot]

block isnt as simple as any other stat

[jagged pier]

block

[edgy bone]

And I'm asking you to break it down for me, I'm clearly too dumb to understand

[south zealot]

glad we can agree on something

[jagged pier]

okay block increase the amount of damage your block reduces

so the more block the more damage u reduce

3 ilvls is like 3-4% DR on everything blockable

it dumb

[edgy bone]

So 4% survivability

On blockable things

[chilly brook]

+armor

[jagged pier]

and stam

[green bronze]

fuck, tried to look how much more block there is on 639 shield, but both rio and logs don't show it(

[chilly brook]

and Str

can't forget the main stat

[edgy bone]

I get extra stamp and Str from the myth chest I could upgrade

[chilly brook]

Ok bro

just take the fucking chest

[south zealot]

should be noted a lot of magic damage is blockable with spell block

[green bronze]

it is like 500 stamina difference, coudn't find block value on 639 shield, maybe somebody who has 639 shield could tell us?

[chilly brook]

Do you

You clearly know best

[edgy bone]

So we're looking at about 2% overall survivability

[sweet surge]

this exchange is needlessly adversarial

[edgy bone]

Got it

[chilly brook]

Just take what you want

[green bronze]

cmon guys, he was asking numbers, not what is best

[edgy bone]

Nah people just like to gang up on me around here

[chilly brook]

Because bro isn't interested in actually listening and doing what's "best"

[green bronze]

so he can make an educated guess, of how much he would gain from chest and how much he would gain from shield

[green bronze]

well, best varies on his gear

[chilly brook]

He gains less from chest period

[chilly brook]

no it doesn't

[inner wren]

ticon the kinda guy who already made up his mind and only wants people to respond if they agree with him

[chilly brook]

Shield is by far the most important item for warrior

[green bronze]

what if he has champion chest? what in that case

[chilly brook]

Shield is still a larger gain

[green bronze]

but how much percent wise is 639 shield better then 636 shield?

[chilly brook]

More than a 606 chest to a 636 chest

[green bronze]

now you talking

[south zealot]

even so you can just farm a chest infinitely

[edgy bone]

"trust me bro"

[green bronze]

but can you provide numbers

[chilly brook]

Numbers already provided above

[south zealot]

@edgy bone what trinkets did you use in s4 dragonflight

[green bronze]

2% or 4%? so 639 shield is 4% better then 636 shield?

[chilly brook]

in raw block value alone

not including everything else

[sweet surge]

I don't think asking what the theoretical difference is between 636 and 639 is that bad of a question

[edgy bone]

He said about 4% better in all blockable damage

[sweet surge]

It's interesting to me too 🙂

[edgy bone]

Which is maybe half in a dungeon

[green bronze]

how much block value does 639 shield have? Warcraft logs don't show block value for some reason

[edgy bone]

So 1-2% overall DR

[green bronze]

well, we block all damage, so don't really need to distinguish

[south zealot]

look at any key log ever

[green bronze]

ye, it is genuinely good question, i want to know too

[south zealot]

melee is basically everything else combined in almost every key ever

not including blockable spells

[jagged pier]

i mean its a lot like melees are like 75% of your damage in a key

[green bronze]

@strong forum , do you mind giving us your input?

[jagged pier]

plus everything u spell block

plus range attacks u can block

[edgy bone]

We don't block magic damage unless spell block is up

[south zealot]

which is 33% uptime

[edgy bone]

Not if you have to save it for big tank busters

Or dangerous casts

If you're spamming spell block on CD you're trolling

[green bronze]

well, magical damage will complicate calculations, lets leave it out for now

[south zealot]

i dont disagree but if youre saving it for shit you wanna block

itll be MORE effective

not less

[green bronze]

we can try counting magic damage when we know number for physical hits

[autumn cosmos]

what's the reason for Duskthread > Dawnthread recommendations/useage?

[toxic pewter]

just personal preference tbh

[autumn cosmos]

Simming wise, the crit gems & dawnthread seems to pull ahead

[edgy bone]

Spell block will be yes, but taking a 3iLvl shield upgrade over something better becomes less

[nocturne spindle]

at BIS levels you have more crit than vers so you want more vers

[autumn cosmos]

Ah, alright

[sweet summit]

it's like 0.3% diff on block alone, + armor + stats

[green bronze]

crit is better for damage

[south zealot]

brother take the fucking chest

[edgy bone]

Jokes on you I don't have a mythic chest in my vault, I don't even have a mythic shield in my vault

And I'm also only 1200 io

[south zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-gif-26274297

[tawny citrus]

https://overdue.rent/UM0qn

What do we like here

[pearl veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-cringe-meme-cringe-imagine-gif-23477312

[tawny citrus]

Everything is upgrade

[green bronze]

why are you getting mad at him, for asking genunie question

[chilly brook]

just sim

[south zealot]

he got the answer he wanted

[violet ginkgo]

so many cloak

[chilly brook]

because it's not genuine

[south zealot]

and keeps bringing up the question

[nocturne spindle]

also taking vault shield means you can loot everything in arms or fury and get good trinkets

[tawny citrus]

Insane, right?

[edgy bone]

Because neckbeards don't like getting backed into a corner and asked for facts to back up their egregious assertions

[south zealot]

someone answered him directly with what he asked

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[south zealot]

i dont care to know how much a 3 ilvl on shield upgrade is bc i already know its significantly enough betger

better

[edgy bone]

Dawg you talked out your ass and got mad when I asked for data, then someone else eventually came in and gave it

[sweet summit]

it's like

[tawny citrus]

Sim tells me that Void Pactstone is best choice, but seems kinda weird - May be because I've only 577 ilvl trinkets now

[green bronze]

how do you know, how much is significant? how much percent

[sweet summit]

turbo irrelevant how much the diff is

we already know it's better

[south zealot]

^^

[green bronze]

well, any ilvl upgrade is better

[edgy bone]

Idk why you even worried about it you can't even time a 12

[pallid quiver]

ur better

gottem

[south zealot]

but its known that shield is the most important

[sweet summit]

😳

[south zealot]

i derank every single key to a 10 on purpose

lmao

[sweet summit]

shield has block and turbo armor

we love that

[edgy bone]

Nice cope

[south zealot]

i am not pushing keys right now

lol

[green bronze]

well, right now question is, how much percentage wise is 639 shield better then 636, nothing else

[tawny citrus]

That's true, my thinking was that trinkets are easily to get, cuz there are good ones from M+, BiS cloak that actually has Haste+Crit is only from Raid

[edgy bone]

Derank everything to a 10 because you're scared to fail in higher keys then huff copium about why you do it

[south zealot]

yes i am scared to do high jeys

keys

[inner wren]

ok but the extra 1000 stam on my chest will give me an extra 1000% survivability

[sweet summit]

real

[south zealot]

i assume you found one of my characters

look at my other 2

[edgy bone]

Give me one of their names so I can look it up

Give me all their names actually

[sweet summit]

ergaw-turalyon

[green bronze]

idk why you guys are getting so heated up, we are trying to find numbers here

[south zealot]

itzchocotime chocotwo egirlchoco xixiyi dkchoco all illidan

[green bronze]

can anyone provide a block value of 639 shield

[sweet summit]

i couldn't so i just feelycrafted it

but it's good enough

71610/(104500+71610)
it's like 0.3% diff on block alone, + armor + stats
something like this

[tardy abyss]

Why not just use sim to find values

[pearl veldt]

Brother is seriously pulling the WoW equivalent of 'how much do you bench bro' (6ft5 btw)

[edgy bone]

If that's what you're reading then you missed the entire first part of the combo

[green bronze]

what are those freedom units

[south zealot]

bout 198 cm

[sweet summit]

give me uppies

[edgy bone]

When homie pulled the "trust me me on this bro I know my shit"

Then you check his test score and he flunked the class

[south zealot]

i dont know my shit i know other ppl know their shit so i say what they have said here countless times

i dont know the exact value of block as a stat i know that its the best stat we have BY FAR

and thats good enough for me

i didnt claim to know how much its better by ever

@edgy bone how goes the raider io search

[green bronze]

cmon dude, we love numbers here

[south zealot]

until it comes to trinkets and talent choices of course

[edgy bone]

Found a steaming pile of dookie that proves my point

[sweet summit]

what point

[south zealot]

i mean u can check previous seasons

[chilly brook]

Reminder, you can literally go in game and the block stat tells you exactly what it does % wise in your stat sheet

[violet ginkgo]

holdup there is dkchoco? is this DK on the rise after all of those warrior nerfs?

[south zealot]

chocotwo for dragonflight itzchocotime for shadowlands

[green bronze]

well, i feel like ITF is good at 35% haste already, but i can't provide numbers so i started pushing it

[edgy bone]

"hey bro I'm 628iLvl but can't time above a 10 but do as I say not as I do"

[inner wren]

how dare you

[south zealot]

rider unholy is peak class design

[violet ginkgo]

oh unholy thought you joining the FDK bandwagon

[south zealot]

if someone is 2 chesting all 10s, they can OBVIOUSLY time it on 11

pretty bad bait but nice one

[edgy bone]

Prove it

[pallid quiver]

no we don't; the only people who actively have proven they love numbers here are Nome, Mwahi, and...

i wonder what name they're going by now, but there's a fellow who pops in occassionally who iirc is a math major

[edgy bone]

Someone like you should be timing 13s

[south zealot]

appreciate you see my skill

good looking out buddy

[edgy bone]

Can't wait to see what copium you start huffing when those keys implode and you still "dropping all your keys to +10 on purpose"

[mighty valley]

"why is everyone so aggressive towards me : ( "

[south zealot]

i push keys to some degree all the time

[edgy bone]

My buddy has everything 2 cheated on an 11 but can't time a 12

The logic just doesn't follow

[sweet surge]

I stand corrected, btw

I was wrong to say that it was needlessly adversarial

@edgy bone chillax broski

[inner wren]

ticon taking way too many steroids

has to take his anger out in a world of Warcraft discord

[violet ginkgo]

what is the antidote of steroids?

[sweet surge]

to stop taking them I think

[south zealot]

its not the same as 10 to 11

[inner wren]

boy ain’t natty

[violet ginkgo]

I mean something to help flush it out from his system.

[sweet surge]

for whoever was asking what the diffs are

[raven knoll]

what spec did you guys open vault onto, if i have shield and weapon crafted 636 already? just normal dps? like fury?

[pallid quiver]

technically you'd still want to open as prot for a 639 shield

[mighty valley]

if you want dps trinkets, arms cuts out all the 1h weapons

it's all pretty marginal though

[pallid quiver]

And then you'd also technically want to roll Fury for a 639 wep,

And then Arms as Harrow mentioned

[raven knoll]

is that for real worth it? since my other items are sometimes only 610 ivl

[violet ginkgo]

Well technically if he is willing enough he can try farm the first boss myth raid for shield rather than vault?

[pallid quiver]

Like Valk is implying, it depends all on what else you're doing/willing to do/want to focus on future proofing

[raven knoll]

okey thanks guys. seems like a hard choice overall. probably will go for fury tho. first mythic boss should be doable soon for me

[green bronze]

so its 524 block value difference

interesting

[sweet summit]

so 639 is 40.7% vs 636 at 40.3%

in m+

[jagged gust]

the math aint mathing

[violet ginkgo]

huh? I thought 71920 minus 70610 is 1310?

[green bronze]

ahah, im fried i counted armor)

[pallid quiver]

Like I said before, we hate numbers here except for a few people.

[green bronze]

kinda in a raid while trying to chat here at the same time, my bad

[chilly brook]

you don't get block from literally anything else

[sweet surge]

Armor diff

big gainz

[chilly brook]

It's gonna be different in M+

fwiw

[sweet surge]

thats like 800x3 = 2400 more intervene magic absorb tho

[jagged gust]

in my experience if your voice isn't part of the harmony around here, you're considered discordant and get a pp slap

[violet ginkgo]

that reminds me should thane intervene magic absorb get more multiplier? as in for example x4 or x5 instead of x3.

[jagged gust]

So talking about numbers just isn't fun when you can't get experimental

[sweet summit]

3 is fine as tank, dps should have higher multiplier for sure

[green bronze]

seems like only 1 percent difference

not that big

[chilly brook]

It's just tiring going through the same song and dance of "oh well how do you know" as if no one else has ever in the history of this discord ever asked the same question or no one has ever done the math

[pallid quiver]

The bigger issue is that if you go against the general harmony, you should bring evidence for your claims in the forms of hard numbers and also not lie about what evidence you're bringing says if you do bring some, which people generally don't do despite the ease of which you can bring numbers

[chilly brook]

(particularly a problem when any class becomes meta or more popular because of tuning and you get an influx of FOTM Andy's)