protection

[sweet summit]

you can sim this actually! i don't know

[green bronze]

then you take shard 100%

[silent sphinx]

(i dont have a weapon)

[green bronze]

had the same situation last week, was forced to take neck over myth items(

[lost canyon]

but why do we want shard with that mastery, wasn't mastery our lowest stat prio?

[sacred holly]

we open the vault as prot or fury?

[quasi pivot]

Run speed is criminally underrated, you will get uptime quicker on fights with movement and will squeak out of aoe that would have otherwise killed you. I'd use the run speed metagem and gem around it

[silent sphinx]

if i dump my crests this week on a necklace can catch up?

[jagged pier]

u gunna raid mythic?

[green bronze]

cause it is very big burst

[silent sphinx]

im not gonna clear mythic raids, im too new and bad

[jagged pier]

that neck is bis

[silent sphinx]

too poor to craft

[green bronze]

you take neck, cause its bis and only replaced by the same neck from mythic raid

feelsbad but that will be best long term

[silent sphinx]

ima just clear heroic raid real quick

see if it drops from sikran

[green bronze]

you also kinda get 4.7k haste, insta switch to ITF if not already using it, feels good

[jagged pier]

no u dont switch because u got neck

u switch when u have 35-40% haste unbuffed

[green bronze]

getting this trinket would save me 45 crests, is that trinket at least decent? (I have many sacbrood hero and candle, meat hook, ovinax egg and ritual knife)

[green bronze]

this number keeps getting lower and lower lol)

[jagged pier]

nope

ive always said the same

u hear lower

[green bronze]

@jagged pier any input on my trinket question?

[jagged pier]

ppl are giga dumb

trinket is one of our best

[green bronze]

pactstone?

[silent sphinx]

whats ITF?

[jagged pier]

u arent ethe skarmshard guy?

i dunno then no idea what your vault is

just sim i guess

[green bronze]

i linked it, look a few messages higher

i replied to my own screeshot

[jagged pier]

myth track tier wont ever get replaced

[green bronze]

ye, true

was just wondering if there is any argument to save 45 crests

[misty remnant]

is it just me or shit hit wayyy to hard this week

[autumn cosmos]

i beg for opinions im crying internally

[misty remnant]

in + 9 o.o?

i had no issues last 2 weeks today morning i got trucked

[jagged pier]

i mean there is as well but u need 2 trinkets to save those crests

[sweet summit]

nothing has changed so prolly just you

[icy flax]

It's fort

[jagged pier]

i dunno that ring is pretty juiced

[icy flax]

Instead of Tyra

@misty remnant

[misty remnant]

yes i know its fort but normal packs were also beating the shit outta me not even double pulls lol

[autumn cosmos]

it has leech as well but ye

[icy flax]

That's literally what fortified does so

[green bronze]

if you didn't run 10s last week, you might have forgotten that fort is actually much harder then tyrranical

[placid stratus]

how bad is this reactive webbed escrutcheon shield gang?

[jagged pier]

bad

[misty remnant]

man a 1 hander refuses to drop for me

how much of a dps gain is on prot

a good 1 hander ie?

[jagged pier]

big

[misty remnant]

i have veteran 1 hander lol

[manic bane]

hello guys, is bastion lance really much better than dragons roar ?

[misty remnant]

615 ilvl overall

[unkempt hazel]

god damn

[jagged pier]

for thane, yes

for colossus no

[unkempt hazel]

even my fresh prot has champ

[misty remnant]

yeah fucking refuses to drop

[unkempt hazel]

ur cooked

[green bronze]

not much better, just slightly better

[solar spear]

👉 🥺 👈 can someone advise please, it's a bit of a shit vault i think

[manic bane]

can you explain why ? sorry if thats a dumb question

[jagged pier]

more dam, more rage

[jagged pier]

just sim honestly

[green bronze]

fuck, will be 15 crests short to get harbinger of runed this week unless i get hero 610 boots or any 613 trinket to drop

[keen path]

Hello, its best to upgrade the shield 636 or the OH in first ?

[solar spear]

but that only shows damage.. i want to be pushing into higher keys. none of that gears on any bis list but i was thinking the neck bc the stats arent awful and for the ilvl

[jagged pier]

right, u have enough survivability from your highest simming gear, because survivability comes from play

not gear

[solar spear]

then why are top tanks running Swarmlords Authority, a defensive trinket, if gear survivability doesnt matter

[jagged pier]

u want defence or damage?

[jagged pier]

i have no idea why they run it, but it aint saving them from anything

[green bronze]

swarmlord does not really have any defensive value, it just gives haste and a little damage with it's proc

[jagged pier]

probably because it looks large

[green bronze]

and we need haste

[jagged pier]

just like all the ppl that ran the shockwave build in DF ebcause Shoackwave was big on meters

but it did less damage and dr's mobs

[solar spear]

ngl the wowhead trinket tier list seems completely at odds from what people are actually running (apart from sacbrood)

[green bronze]

well, you will most certainly see different trinkets at high play when there will be anything to choose from for top players

[sweet summit]

does this not stack? am i stupid?

[jagged pier]

reset the buff

[green bronze]

people are currently running 2 haste trinkets, sacbrood and swarmlord, cause they need a lot of haste, they will surely replace swarmlord later

[misty remnant]

worth taking bitter immunity for self decurse this week?

[jagged pier]

yes and no, top ppl also make mistakes, codex proved that

[misty remnant]

or not worth it for wars?

[vast ridge]

quick question, how do we sim for dungeons? 8x patchwerk?

[jagged pier]

not our job so no

[onyx matrix]

yeeeeh

[green bronze]

no room for mistakes when competing at MDI, MDI will likely show us best trinkets on practice

[jagged pier]

u do ST because whats best in ST basically mulitples out into aoe expect trinkets if u want to sim those 5 targets 1-3 mins

[solar spear]

but (standard) mdi will also be weighted towards big damage because theyre not pushing the highest possible

[jagged pier]

nope they all ran codex on warrior

[sweet summit]

hell yeah

[jagged pier]

and its was dogshit for warrior

[unkempt hazel]

[jagged pier]

we still dont know why

[vast ridge]

thanks

[jagged pier]

it was good for bdk

they ran it because it looked good on meters

[green bronze]

well, we might need to wait for TGP then lol) But im sure prot warriors will always just take DPS trinkets

[jagged pier]

ppl really dont think in depth on things and look at log data like nome does

like me and nome log a lot of stuff

the top guys dont log

still no clue why

[solar spear]

well simming showed my current gear was the best for dam even with the ilvl. great

[jagged pier]

socket angle for later then i guess

or pick what u want

[green bronze]

i like following TimTheTattman on youtube, he is logging most of his runs and he is a genuine warrior main

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/tattman?zone=39 he is also kinda top, haven't done 14 yet tho

[jagged pier]

logs most of his runs

[green bronze]

look other dungeons

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

i still don't understand why that happens and they still play ITF. they're not dying so the damage is better or what

[jagged pier]

they do less damage anyway

cause their builds always wack

tbf that looked like an off key for him in terms of blocked hits

[green bronze]

build is really wack sometimes, thats true

[jagged pier]

but there is still sutff even he could do better with

[graceful kite]

I guess I'm taking bracers

[green bronze]

he says he shoots for max survivability when doing highest key for the first time

[jagged pier]

but i can say the same for myself

[graceful kite]

cant make mark sim better

[jagged pier]

so why does he not take HR then

this is the thing nome was complaining about

they just make themselves squishier

but say

they are tanky build

its just wrong

[green bronze]

i played HR at the start of the season, but when i tried ITF, i didn't wanna switch back

[jagged pier]

yer thats a feel

[finite bolt]

how is this trinkket any good for prot?

[jagged pier]

but its not more tanky

[graceful kite]

nothing says tank survivability like less shield walls and shield block gaps

[jagged pier]

u are forgoing blocking hits

[jagged pier]

its not

[green bronze]

i would say that defensive difference for ITF vs HR is not that significant

[next badge]

what do we play on plus rn? thane or colossus?

[sweet summit]

holy moly...

that's so hot..

[jagged pier]

literally best trinket right there

[jagged gust]

thane tankier, colon more damage, play what feels good

[green bronze]

if you are talking about aegis, there are times when even i was thinking about taking it, would love 2 walls in mists

[jagged pier]

u have no need for it in mists

[graceful kite]

yep but it sims 10k worse

[jagged pier]

and this is literally wrong

[graceful kite]

and it also sims worse for fury

[jagged pier]

than what?

[brittle owl]

ha u said colon

[graceful kite]

bracers

[icy flax]

It is so unfair I can't use outside emojis
I have a codex emote from making fun of ppl for asking about it prob every 5 minutes in SL

[next badge]

tired lighting gathering clouds talents today and its seems to deal nice dmg

[graceful kite]

I ran like 5 sims already dunno why its so much worse

[jagged pier]

depends what slot u have it in in sims

and/or your bracers

must be dogshit

[icy flax]

To think top players are playing perfect is very flawed @green bronze

[brittle owl]

context matters

trinkets are heavily context dependand

[icy flax]

One of the biggest things is they do so much damage that it alleviates any mistakes

[brittle owl]

your overall gear not so much, the sum of the parts is what's important

[green bronze]

ofc, but also hard to get info on higher keys without looking at top players

[brittle owl]

and incremental increases will be valued by sims

[sweet summit]

the sum of my parts is this number what does it mean

[brittle owl]

but trinkets are very poorly evaluated in sims, usually

[jagged pier]

what trinkets do u have?

[graceful kite]

I'll try to sim with gear compare

[icy flax]

The sum of my parts doesn't help my small pp

[jagged pier]

i guess kadros is un sync'd from cds

[brittle owl]

huge pp big tyrone

[graceful kite]

623 larynx, 619 organ, 62 transmitter

trying to figure out some passive ones to check it better

Ill try with gear compaer

[brittle owl]

kek large larynx

[jagged pier]

yer they pretty good trinkets as well

are u simming at max upgrade?

[graceful kite]

yep

[icy flax]

I like Tyrone's huge pp

[finite bolt]

i know it myth yer idk my brainm hurts this early morning

[green bronze]

wonder why none of top prots is chatting here, must be too toxic for them)

[jagged pier]

they dont come in here because they honestly have some weird takes and dont like being told no

or they are wrong

[brittle owl]

i also wonder why people prefer to be confrontational and cu(n)ty rather than just communicating

[jagged pier]

and if they do we get them to provide logs

[graceful kite]

top prots chat here

[green bronze]

ye, thats what i was thinking, they might come here and dip right away)

[jagged pier]

but sometimes they have and given logs to show things, but those logs then dont show what they say

[green bronze]

maybe i don't read this chat often enough

[finite bolt]

jakey logs for trinket?

[jagged pier]

if its a constructive conversation then great but most of the time the moment u say its not quite right they start screaming

[finite bolt]

i think i am just being stupid for not picking it

[molten gorge]

The irony here is amusing

[green bronze]

ego is real in tanks) non streamer/youtuber top players seem to be very ego driven

[jagged pier]

like once in SLs i said tattman did less damage than he should be, and he came in flaming then tried to prove us wrong with logs and on stream and couldnt do it. but hes changed alot since then and gotten better

[molten gorge]

Not from you personally I should add

[jagged pier]

its mostly form ppl that follow top io ppl

[sweet summit]

appeal to authority is an insane drug

[brittle owl]

esp when the authority is an entertainment figure

[jagged pier]

reactive?

[brittle owl]

not an actual pumper

[jagged pier]

its just a shield that does nothing

[molten gorge]

Every class discord suffers from it tbh, the guys chatting the most are bang average talking to worse players

[jagged pier]

its really not worth it

but if u want to take it take it

[brittle owl]

people don't even know, generally, who the real pumpers in this game are

[molten gorge]

Every theory crafter even, is generally a pretty mid player

[river spade]

Ayo

[green bronze]

we are mids, but we are passionate about prot)

does it not count for anything)

[jagged pier]

i mean yes and no, mst theory crafter are very good they just dont bother with pushing or high stuff because they dont have time anymore

[green bronze]

most people here are good at prot, but bad at general m+ or raid game

[molten gorge]

Depends on definition of very good

I'm being snobby about it when I say mid

[brittle owl]

you hit the nail on the head

[river spade]

Heard swarmlord authority is Kidna op, anybody can confirm it?

[jagged pier]

i dunno nome coming in with 10 less ilvls with his talent build in DF and doing more damage and taking less damage in the 'top ios' in the same key is pretty decent if u ask me

[fresh pilot]

Any good vaults today? 🙂

[molten gorge]

Like if you raid and it's outside of top 100 (and it's not like 2days a week), you're mid

[teal laurel]

At the risk of sounding dumb if you have a 636 crafted item then pick up a dropped item you can still skidaddle it to 636 yea?

[molten gorge]

Damage kinda irrelevant tho in the nicest way

Like the job isn't all about damage

[brittle owl]

damej relevant for fun and actual gameplay success

[jagged pier]

some ppl dont have the time to raid at top 100 level because u have to put in a tone of time outside of the raid time

[green bronze]

but top players are also not prot warrior mains, they just main their role so there is no non mid prot warrior mains by definition

[brittle owl]

healer and tank damage matters and tips the scale massively

in any content

[molten gorge]

That's why I said unless 2 day raiding

[jagged pier]

yes in timed content damage isnt a factor

[molten gorge]

The tanks damage

Is not his primary job

It's good ofc

But like we've already seen, the top guys on rio rn aren't playing the build for damage

[brittle owl]

usually your damage is tied up to your rotation which is tied up to your survivability

[green bronze]

well, i would disagree, damage is one of his primary jobs

low dmg means tank is bad at grouping mobs

[jagged pier]

i mean u live very easily so why not do damage after. my point was tho. nome was proving in 10 less ilvls u didnt need these 'max tanky' builds to do these keys.

[molten gorge]

Sure

[graceful kite]

nah I cant make mark sim better

[molten gorge]

I have also seen the guy walk into a few bananas in SoB in a vod I was checking for a route

[fresh pilot]

When you guys tank, do you do it mostly in battle stance or defensive? i tend to pretty much only use defensive for tank busters.

[jagged pier]

who doesnt

[molten gorge]

Top players

[jagged pier]

i bet all your top players still do

yer man thats cope

[molten gorge]

Mmm

Less tho

Not saying mistakes never happen

But it's less

Like any sport

[jagged pier]

brah top players make mistakes all the time

the thing is they play all day

[green bronze]

only few bananas? he must be god

[jagged pier]

they can just go again

[brittle owl]

esp if @sweet summit banana

is this glazing wednesday

[green bronze]

going in bananas is not really an issue, depends on the group comp as well, sometimes that pack lives long enough to spam them all around

[molten gorge]

This is a cope for me, there's natural ability in anything, like could you be as good as Topson at DotA if you just played enough? Probably not

[brittle owl]

i member SoB in bfa s4

[molten gorge]

Wow is the same

[brittle owl]

what are bananas? td go brrr

[molten gorge]

You need the dedication and ability

(I have neither ofc)

[brittle owl]

seem pretty dedicated to glazing

[icy flax]

Dismissing someone for being good because they stepped in a few bananas in siege is CRAZY

[strong forum]

[green bronze]

wow is also not as hard as real sports, hard to compare

[strong forum]

Not the nanas

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

It's so over bros

[molten gorge]

I didn't dismiss it?

Just a single observation

[brittle owl]

literally uninstall game

[icy flax]

But you think top players don't step on bananas

[molten gorge]

I think they do it less

[green bronze]

it always comes down to bananas, doesn't it

[icy flax]

Unlikely

[molten gorge]

I picked a random example

[silent sphinx]

for raid, do you guys thane or colossus?

[brittle owl]

TTB well known gamer metric, time to banana

[molten gorge]

I'm sure Nome himself doesn't think he's a God gamer lmao

It's not a diss

[green bronze]

stepping on a banana is like such a small mistake, and it doesnt even punish you that hard

[molten gorge]

Used to one shot you in one iteration

[simple void]

Anyone know why the tooltip isn't the same on Raidbots and ingame ?
I know there's a 6 ilvl difference.

[jagged pier]

you said TCs were mid, i was just saying thats not true for our TC

[green bronze]

some tanks stay in wells in NW for more then split second, now that's the mistake that we should be talking about

[molten gorge]

Idk, I've not known him long enough to decide

[ionic fern]

Top io players are mostly not top players of said class. Top io players are top io players because they play with a dedicated group and have the time/interest to spam dungeons while maintaining a decent knowledge of the class.

[molten gorge]

But all my experience says nobody in this discord knows

[jagged pier]

i mean u made a pretty quick desicion based on nanans

[molten gorge]

Gave an example

I can be wrong

It's okay to be wrong sometimes

Every class discord, the spam andies put their TC on a pedestal

And like, they're very good

Super useful guys

But often, they're kinda meh at the game

[ionic fern]

Depends on the TC.

[molten gorge]

Hence the word often

[ionic fern]

Some are amazing at both.

Some just crunch numbers.

[molten gorge]

Sure, but the guys who talk here the most are always gonna tongue Nome's arse, whether he deserves it or not

Again, no flame to Nome

I've found him super helpful lol

[ionic fern]

That's probably because they know that Nome plays well.

[green bronze]

most people here are very quick to dismiss any variation from default build, it is true

[molten gorge]

All these tanks, that probably never played with him know

Im sure

[kind kite]

hi, one question, I see in different guides different tier pieces slots. I see some guides recommend gloves like tier set and others shoulders tier set. Does this matter or I can pick whatever?

[ionic fern]

Historical public data is available on logs.

[molten gorge]

Ya cause they read the guide and worship it

[ionic fern]

Make some effort before dismissing.

[jagged pier]

dont matter @kind kite

[molten gorge]

Logs doesn't mean you're very good

[eternal marlin]

with the rage changes, are we swapping to colossus? or sticking with mountain thane?

[green bronze]

well, is there any other way to prove that you are good

[ionic fern]

Then we start with a whole different discussion about what do YOU consider as good.

[molten gorge]

Ofcpurse

I even prefaced with

[kind kite]

thanks ❤️

[molten gorge]

When I say mid, I don't mean average

[green bronze]

cutting edge is not enough surely, only title?

when can i start considering myself good?

[molten gorge]

Ngl, if you raid actively and don't get cutting edge, you're mid

[green bronze]

thats why i said that cutting edge not enough

[molten gorge]

Like averagely good

[green bronze]

im currently progging queen heroic with my guild)

[jagged pier]

YUGE

[ionic fern]

Majority of wow players don't even raid mythic,so if you're doing mythic you are already good automatically.

[molten gorge]

Yeh

No

[green bronze]

im also tanking, doing dps level damage and RLing)

[molten gorge]

Like you're not wrong but

Like technically, you're not wrong

[bleak breach]

He’s right

[molten gorge]

But I would never call that good

[green bronze]

i think general consensus about mythic raid, is that the hardest part of it is to get 20 people to regularly play together

[ionic fern]

If you want to continue this discussion then please start with explaining what you consider as "good". Otherwise it's just going in circles.

[bleak breach]

Just doing mythic puts you in top percentile

[jagged pier]

top 3% of chars that have done a m+ are KSH

[molten gorge]

I already said

[jagged pier]

are they good?

[ionic fern]

Please link it then - i maybe missed it.

[molten gorge]

That's the portals ya?

[brazen flower]

This trinket is probably crap right?

[green bronze]

please say it again, or forward message pls, i haven't seen it

[jagged pier]

2500 rating

[molten gorge]

Then no I don't think that's good

I'll explain why

[jagged pier]

no u dont need to explain

[bleak breach]

2500 is good?

[jagged pier]

im just trying to show u how small a % of the player base that is

[bleak breach]

That’s like all timed 10s

[strong forum]

No arbitrary number of score is automatically "good"

[molten gorge]

I have not played since SL Season 1, I've not played tank ever before on retail, and I have not played eqrrior since Wrath. I'm at 2.6k

[jagged pier]

thats 3% of the character that have done a m+ not players

[molten gorge]

I don't think I am good

[strong forum]

Be it 3k

Or 4k

[molten gorge]

Ofc

I guess I'll always see it relative to myself

[strong forum]

It's just a reflection of how much time you put into throwing yourself at keys

[strong forum]

Correct

What's good to me may seem godlike to someone else

[bleak breach]

Dunno, you gotta be pretty sweaty to get 3k+

[molten gorge]

Idk, I've not done that many keys to hit 2.6k

[green bronze]

3k right now is hard, but it will be a cakewalk for people that are passionate about m+ by the end of the season

[strong forum]

Most people are happy when they get a 90+ parse

And I'm unhappy when I don't get r1 as prot

[molten gorge]

Yeh, I find that crazy

[green bronze]

well, i would call you god if you have 2.6k with rating missing in one of the keys

[hoary pivot]

which addon adds the crest upgrade indicator and the ilvl ranges?

[strong forum]

It's just how it works, it's all relative

[molten gorge]

99 or bust

[sweet summit]

love munching on bananas

[bleak breach]

100 or bust

[molten gorge]

Meh, I am not good

[bleak breach]

If you’re not 1st you’re last

[molten gorge]

🤷‍♂️

I'm okay at the game

[brazen flower]

https://wago.io/UpgradeRankTooltipRenamer/27

[green bronze]

im 2664, i also consider myself mid in m+, but i personally think that im above mid in prot warr, maybe thats my toxic trait)

[strong forum]

Only score I cared about getting 2.5k week 1

[bleak breach]

That’s not mid, that’s high

[ionic fern]

I'm an amazing prot,fight me.

[strong forum]

Cuz I wanted my shiny particle effects

Past that I couldn't care less

[jagged pier]

they dont match anything

[molten gorge]

I was the same mostly cause I didn't wanna feel behind 😂😭

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Yes they do

My mog is goated

[hoary pivot]

thanks!

[jagged pier]

behind what?

he curve is umm not that steep

[brittle owl]

BEHIND UR MUM LMAO

[molten gorge]

Like behind to make pugging hard

[brittle owl]

heckin gottem

[jagged pier]

pugging generally fine at 10s and above

[green bronze]

pugging is hell below 2.5k right now

[bleak breach]

The hard part for me has always been going past 10s or 20s in the past as there is no gain

[jagged pier]

because ppl are stuck at below 7

[green bronze]

i feel like people you get in 11s are like 2 times better then people you get in 10s

i would advice to skip 10s for everyone who is capable of surviving 11s

[molten gorge]

Mm it's like Nome said, all relative, rn I feel behind because bricked the 12 Mists I tried

Well bricked is strong, 2-3mins over

[bleak breach]

Behind what? The title guys?

[molten gorge]

But still

Bricked

[jagged pier]

thats fine but thats relative to you just something u should claify

[bleak breach]

That’s well above par

[jagged pier]

because in terms of your average joe

[molten gorge]

Behind where I wanna be

[bleak breach]

Just sounds super elitist to the regular players

[molten gorge]

Yeh but I'm never gonna compare to average Joe

[green bronze]

ye, you can't talk about general good if you are comparing everything to yourslef

[molten gorge]

The average Joe is absolutely dog shit on this game

[bleak breach]

No, they’re average

[jagged pier]

sure but u are in a forum of average ppl so what your saying is coming across in a very wrong way

[molten gorge]

In the nicest possible way lol

[bleak breach]

The bad players are bad

[ionic fern]

I'm just trying to have fun with the game

Smh.

[green bronze]

in most competitive environments, top 1% is good, but i don't think it applies to wow

[unkempt hazel]

someone called me?

[green bronze]

cause 90% of players are not thriving to go to that 1%

[molten gorge]

Idk if you're in a class discord I'd say you're already above average

[bleak breach]

Top 10-20% are good

[molten gorge]

Just cause you're at least trying

To learn

[bleak breach]

Top 1% is elite

[jagged pier]

well no to your standard most ppl in here arent

theres ppl that struggle with 3s in here

[molten gorge]

As in the actual literal average

[bleak breach]

Literal average is between 40 and 60%

[unkempt hazel]

not true im here to ask whats better and refuse to sim

[jagged pier]

the literal average

dont do keys

[molten gorge]

Crazy

[jagged pier]

at all

[molten gorge]

Ya

[green bronze]

1% is elite, when everyone in the discipline is trying to be best, 90% of players in m+ will never go past 10s

[unkempt hazel]

wish I was that chill

[molten gorge]

Haha, like I get what you're saying but idk, just doesn't feel that way

[jagged pier]

never get to 10s

[bleak breach]

Anyone doing 10s atm are great players

[jagged pier]

i wish i wasnt forced to do them for raid

[molten gorge]

I am not a great player 😂

[bleak breach]

Anyone above are in the top percentile

[unkempt hazel]

[bleak breach]

Yeah it sucks

[green bronze]

now that i think about it, any amount of rating or keys that you run will not prove that you are good player, i agree with nom

[jagged pier]

based on your logs and how u play u are actually better gameplay wise than a few top warriors

[green bronze]

i have seen players in 11s that are dogshit

[unkempt hazel]

I'm a dogshit player

[unkempt hazel]

fuck ig im worse

gg

[molten gorge]

I'm literally brand new to warrior and I'm not mechanically super strong even

I'm 33

I'm washed af

[green bronze]

only way is upwards from there)

[unkempt hazel]

bet

digging a hole rn

[ionic fern]

This is literally created to help people improve at the class. The goals of people are different. Someone wants to get from +2s to doing +5s,and that's totally fine. Someone else wants do go from +10s to +15s..also fine. Doesn't mean that we would call anyone "garbage" because of it. As long as they are willing to ask questions and improve they are already above average in the game in my books.

[unkempt hazel]

its a wrap guys

[bleak breach]

^

[unkempt hazel]

time to end it all

[green bronze]

prot warr also gives very little room for self expression cause you can just spam buttons and win

[molten gorge]

Learning do be the key 🤝

[green bronze]

but i love prot warr, no other class feels as good

[ionic fern]

I also enjoy Prot. Having to play Bear for a bit just enforces my love for Prot.

[unkempt hazel]

I love pwarr and brm

[molten gorge]

That's kinda why I hate class discords at times tho, people will ask a question or ask "why does player X do Y" and they'll get flamed cause the cult is around whatever the TC has said is bis

Not everyone does that here I should say

[green bronze]

meh, why you playing dps

[molten gorge]

But some do for sure

[bleak breach]

Is there anything to help with the bleeds from the slicers in SOB?

They just eat

Or just pray your healer keeps up?

[unkempt hazel]

some folk wanted to tank this season so I moved

it is what it is

[jagged pier]

cause prot is boring to play

[green bronze]

no other tank gives that much of visual and audio feedback, i have tried most tanks, none feel as good

[molten gorge]

Love Prot 🤝

Most fun I've had on WoW in years

[unkempt hazel]

but also this is first time im maining ww and I find it pretty fun too

[tall lance]

Is versatility better than critical strike for +12 ? I have 18% versa and 26% haste unbuffed.

[maiden eagle]

impostor

[ionic fern]

Jeah. I also enjoy having CDs up very often.

[unkempt hazel]

o no

[jagged pier]

no not really stats after haste do very little for survivbility

[bleak breach]

Ilvl>haste>doesn’t matter

[green bronze]

but better then most other tanks

fun wise

[jagged pier]

arugably crit is still better as u will parry most attacks and save your ip for magic and bleeds

[tall lance]

Thanks guys

[jagged pier]

but if u wanna stack vers you are more than welcome

[jagged pier]

i abaddoned trying all the other tanks in DF

but i am not a fan of TC SS slam

wasnt in BFA

am not now

[unkempt hazel]

I gave everyone a shot in df

[bleak breach]

Bring back slam

[green bronze]

not stacking vers is a smart play IMO, you just use vers flask and get big value out of it

[unkempt hazel]

finally ended my altoholism

[molten gorge]

Smh 10mins late for morning stand up cause was waffling and didn't notice time

[vital plinth]

im torn on what embellishments to get xD

[unkempt hazel]

wait do we actually slam now

[bleak breach]

No

[jagged pier]

linings

[unkempt hazel]

oh thank god

dont scare me like that

[jagged pier]

technically it does more damage in ST than revenge for thane

but it doesnt reset SS

[bleak breach]

If it reset ss it would be viable

[jagged pier]

yes

[unkempt hazel]

(plz never make it reset ss)

[jagged pier]

[green bronze]

but it may reset SS via spending rage

[bleak breach]

No

[green bronze]

or does it not spend rage?

[bleak breach]

Using rage doesn’t reset ss?

[vital plinth]

part of me wants to do linings but ascension with buff off embell =/

[bleak breach]

It’s just a flat chance based on some abilities

[unkempt hazel]

I yolo'd a shield with lining

[jagged pier]

i mean in general lining is just better the moment u have downtime ascen is bad

[unkempt hazel]

had to upgrade my explorer shield somehow

[jagged pier]

but tbh emblishments do very little so pick what u like

but u are loosing out on a max ilvl wep in the end

[green bronze]

ye, nevermind me, im just stupid it seems

[jagged pier]

proof u can be dumb and have high io (memeing)

[green bronze]

haha) idk why i assumed that spending rage also resets SS, was thinking that for years

[daring halo]

I crafted a 636 shield last week and now I have the Crit/vers shield myth in the vault and the other myth items are shit. Would you take a HC upgrade or save the myth shield for later?

[bleak breach]

Na just gives seeing red stacks

[green bronze]

taking shield is best play, i was afraid of that exact scenario all those weeks

[daring halo]

Feels so bad :(..

[unkempt hazel]

im not gon see myth track anytime soon so got nothing to worry about

[jagged pier]

nah u take the shield

[green bronze]

ye, thats why i pray for no shield every time i open my vault)

[bleak breach]

If you do mythic raid I wouldn’t craft shield anyway

[green bronze]

wanna get that dopamine hit from increasing ilvl

[bleak breach]

Can just get it off first boss

[terse hollow]

any ideas? i have 619 crafted sword, i have 4 set but no hero tier set and i crafted 619 shield. I have hero skyterrors and hero ara kara for trinkets. No mythic raiding in my near future

[daring halo]

Ye, not raiding mythic regularly anymore unfortunately.

[bleak breach]

Hero tier

[green bronze]

in my opinion, you take myth item, cause hero items are infinitely farmable

[terse hollow]

but the myth trinket is kinda ass right?

[bleak breach]

It is

[jagged pier]

ye it is ass

[bleak breach]

Hero tier or socket

[daring halo]

Swarmlord is good

[green bronze]

but it will save you a lot of crests

[bleak breach]

Craft wrists/belt as myth rank

[jagged pier]

its alright

[jagged pier]

u need 2 trinkets tho

[green bronze]

it saves you half the crests, will only need to upgrade 1 trinket for crests

second one will be free

if you take trinket from vault

[jagged pier]

runed crests kinda free to send

[unkempt hazel]

I hate the crest cap

[green bronze]

this particular 623 trinket will save him 45 runed and 30 gilded crests, assuming his other trinkets are 610

[unkempt hazel]

[terse hollow]

i ran a sim and it says none of these are an upgrade some how

thats kinda odd

[green bronze]

i didn't even outgrow runed crests yet(

[jagged pier]

link sim

[terse hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k6rrE3s8Qbj9CqyiCKsvyB

[terse hollow]

there you go 🙂

[patent sedge]

is this trinket even good for prot?

[wooden widget]

Holy shit that hazbuk guy

I wish I could bleach my brain

[jagged pier]

0 need for that

literally 0

[patent sedge]

leech always on bad pieces

[green bronze]

yes, it is good

[jagged pier]

yer thats great lines up with are cds and everything

[patent sedge]

tho not worth it tho right i will run ara kara trinket and swarm one no?

[unkempt hazel]

what would that change

are u not a warrior

[wooden widget]

Very true the whole convo just felt like a circle I couldn’t tell if he was being genuine

[jagged pier]

no idea what is up with your sims but shoulders probably a good choice

[molten gorge]

Lmao

[terse hollow]

i was thinking that, i have hero legs in bag and hero gloves none set

was thinkng send catalyst on legs take set shoulders equip gloves and win

[jagged pier]

we do not need to start again or start throwing insults around ither of u

[wooden widget]

Sorry not stoking anything my b

[molten gorge]

Lilbro would only embarrass himself

🤭

[tawny linden]

hey guys can I get some vault advice please im not sure

I'm doing basically only m+ if that makes the trinket better at all

[daring halo]

The tuning had zero effect on our talents right? Thane still best and colossos ( just fun for the easier keys?

[tawny linden]

i think people have said the refracting aggression module is pretty bad but its my only myth track option

[ionic fern]

Correct.

[jagged pier]

correct u can take it to save crests

[tawny linden]

i see tnx

[fresh pilot]

its an A tier trinket, so yes, outside of Ara-kara sacbrood its one of the best ones you have.

[fast oracle]

what's the haste breakpoint that makes Into the Fray worth taking?

[jagged pier]

35-40% unbuffed

[molten gorge]

Question about that btw, is that as in it literally allows the same block uptime on average?

Or just that the dmg is so much more worth?

Cause rn I am at 36% or something, and not sure if it's more or less tanky or the same

[jagged pier]

it will give u enough to keep up with HR in combat with a little mangment of buffs and spells

or should

i mean we said 35 when ITF was 10% not 8%

[maiden eagle]

what hr means ?

[loud wave]

How much haste should I have to swap heavy repercussions for into the Fray?

[molten gorge]

Aight, tyty

[jagged pier]

so its probably higher than 35% but managing your spells and stuff should net u around the same result or not too big of a difference

right now on average the difference is like 7-10% blocked hits of ove dungeon when i just look at ppl with 'low haste'

and run itf compared to if they just ran hr

[jagged pier]

heavy repercussions

[maiden eagle]

is it a spell ?

[jagged pier]

scroll up

[jagged pier]

talent

[loud wave]

Oh right thank You

[maiden eagle]

Thx bro

[reef hazel]

Final ask for advice/cry for help for my scuffed vault.

Neck Sims best, but it also out sims bis m+ neck so assume damage isn't everything ?(stone vault one fyi)

I've sacbrood and meat hook on hero so assume trinket isn't wurf.

Bracers or neck literally no idea

[jagged pier]

dont follow bis list thats at max gear that neck is better for you due the gear u have

u can honestly take ither u want

[reef hazel]

Thanks, yeah I kinda figured, losing some haste on my current neck feels eh but might just do it and take the damage

Thank u

[zinc marten]

does elemental focusing lens stack?

[fresh pilot]

Yes

[obsidian siren]

Hey guys, so i just picked up prot back after a couple of years off tanking duty and it's first great vault time;
So i was wondering what holds priority gearing wise
Would you open as prot or arms?

(actually now that i use my fkin eyes mb fury's the play here)

[jagged pier]

if u dont need shield u open as arms or fury

[obsidian siren]

kk, i was wondering if mainhand held any priority as a dps source or meh

[jagged pier]

it does

[fringe nexus]

did colossus get buffed?

[hoary pivot]

Do the trinkets and the missing shield outweigh the risk for 2H weapon?

[jagged pier]

i gave him general ifo i didnt give specifics based on his char

[obsidian siren]

i mean i already have a hero track shield so i just went with fury

[sleek bolt]

Which trinkets are bis for m+?

[shell warren]

Hey all,
I'm unsure what I should pick from the vault and any advice would be greatly appreciated. My dilemma is trinkets. I have the Silken Chain Weaver (616 hero track) in vault and have Madness of the Betrayer 619 (8/8) and Sacbrood 606 (4/8) currently and not sure what is best. I raid normal (8/8) and HC prog (4/8) currently and do M+

[jagged pier]

any of these

[shell warren]

and my sim:

[muted arch]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

[shell warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3XpbH6rPmVRzJpk3RcqqqN

[balmy crescent]

is this trinket good for prot?

[jagged pier]

yer its alright

[balmy crescent]

worth taking over these two?

[muted arch]

Its good actually

[balmy crescent]

this is my myth item but its a wrist and i have a crafted one...

[muted arch]

Just sim it

[sweet summit]

a lot better than the module thing

[jagged pier]

i would take is over module yer

[balmy crescent]

what? really? but module is so good on a prot warrior no? its like an extra defensive

[shell warren]

Which would you pick between these 3?

Madness + Sacbrood sims best

[muted arch]

Defensive trinkets are for the weak

Today you become a man

[balmy crescent]

this trinket feels so shit tho, its so rare for it to have over 2 stacks

[muted arch]

But with a 1 million damage hit every 2 min

[west jacinth]

shard 639 or tier 639

[muted arch]

And even 2 stacks is good, 2k strength

[muted arch]

Shard imo

[molten gorge]

Can always Catalyse a non-tier piece to tier for that slot

[sweet summit]

i'm perma 3-4 stacks i'm a big fan tbh

[jagged pier]

its worth like 1 full ip thats terrible

[molten gorge]

Easier to do than get specific trinket

[spiral smelt]

Do we play now colos as hero talent ?

[sweet summit]

if you want to

i'm staying thane

[balmy crescent]

in adds yes but like, during a boss tank buster, does it not like negate the dmg by like 75%? "idk how it works btw and how it stacks on top of ip"

[muted arch]

13k strength more useful

[balmy crescent]

is it like IP gives absorb that blocks 50%dmg and this gives another shield blocks 50% of the already blocked dmg so all in all its 75%?

[muted arch]

Whats your ilvl and what do you do?

[ocean nova]

Is this trinket any good?

[balmy crescent]

im 615 and i push keys/raid

[sweet summit]

no

[muted arch]

What key levels typically

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[balmy crescent]

8 moving onto 9

[muted arch]

You dont need it

[balmy crescent]

the tank trinket u mean?

[muted arch]

Yes

[balmy crescent]

ah yeah makes sense tbh

also

this is my vault
im kind of split i need some advice ngl
theres the treacherous transmitter trinket of course, both mine are hero too
theres the Myth bracers but i have crafted 619 braces
theres a hero cloak (crit+mast) hero whislt my current cloak is champion (crit+haste)
not sure what to pick between those 3 options

[sweet summit]

link a sim so we can see what we're comparing vault items to maybe

[muted arch]

Or just run a single

Sim*

And take what it tells u

[balmy crescent]

but dont sim just tell u what does more dmg

[sweet summit]

yes

[muted arch]

Yes

[balmy crescent]

but im tank

[muted arch]

Thats what u want

[sweet summit]

yes

being tanky comes from playing well

not having x item(s)

[muted arch]

Whatever gives u more dmg will also make u more tanky

[balmy crescent]

pretty sure if i want dmg that trinket that gives 13k strenght over the IP trinket would give the most dmg by a long shot

[sweet summit]

transmitter is really good

[balmy crescent]

hmmm i guess ill go trinket then, itll give me a nice trinket for my arms too

[serene pendant]

need advice thinking either stonevault trinket or rare cloak

[sweet summit]

don't think module

[gritty eagle]

weekly quest bugged? i finished mine and i have 2 fractured spark pieces so i guess i got the reward and now the quest is bacl

[balmy crescent]

aint that cloak best in slot?

[neon elk]

Is there no Tw quest for heroic item this week?

[sweet summit]

this one exists but idk if it's hc gear

[neat parrot]

can someone explain new affix ? and why i was in combat 6 minutes with a boss

[bleak breach]

Rare cloak

[foggy viper]

Is the reflector worth it? i got arakara hero trinket and champion shard.

[sweet summit]

healer affix, you can help with an IV here and there. the boss i cannot

[dire cedar]

hmm, was thinking about taking the ring but then noticed the cloak is currently the most used on pwar m+ lol

and also ring is farmable

[silent sphinx]

do ya'll stance dance?

or just stick to defensive

[wooden widget]

It depends on the content I’m doing and the context of the pull

If I’m in a 10 and someone says they want io I don’t think about leaving defensive

Which isn’t optimal. But not much of a loss

If I’m reclearing heroic raid I’ll dance

Remember it’s off gcd

[sweet summit]

i perma dstance i cba swappign every time i log on

[wooden widget]

But if you don’t wanna think too much you can sit d stance

[balmy crescent]

3% crit is kinda meh

[neat parrot]

3 % crit aint worth 16% dmg red and 6% magic simple math, unless you aim for rank 1 logs

[neon elk]

Is it just 1 socket per vault ? Did they nerf that ?

[vapid valley]

its always been that

[neon elk]

Nah it was 2 at some point in df

[carmine frost]

just in s4

[molten gorge]

Not timing 10s, swapping stance to min max 🤔

Very sussy

[neon elk]

Rip tought i will at least have 2 sockets if nothing else..

[muted pumice]

Hey guys, any opinions on pulling these 2 packs together in +10 pug keys? Is it save to do or not?

[carmine frost]

well i timed 11 without

[sweet summit]

it's great time save

i recommend doing it

[molten gorge]

Think I'd mostly be worried about getting them grouped in a pug

[carmine frost]

i feel like just dont do fancy shit dont die and time the key

and most important dont listen to the fucking dps players xD

[muted pumice]

I didn't pull them together, so the dps DH in my group just went ahead and pull that pack, we wiped and then blamed me for not pulling it

an then we couldn't time the +10 key

[molten gorge]

10s are chilling if you just wanna time and get your vault done, doesn't need to be fancy

[muted pumice]

oh well

[carmine frost]

well as i said...

dps player

[fringe nexus]

too many casts not enough intrupts for the first

[molten gorge]

Depends what the goal is, like if you wanna push, you might need to learn to pull both if that's the meta

But for weekly key, no need to complicate it

[hoary pivot]

For your Blaphemite gem, do you actually socket a gem of each color or have we deemed it not worth it to drop that amount of haste?

[molten gorge]

Rn I have speed in and a gem of each colour for the zoom at least

[hoary pivot]

including amber?

[sweet summit]

fuck amber

[molten gorge]

imo just sim and decide what you think, the loss was kinda tiny imo, so just sent it

Lost like 4k dps or something on 5t 1.5m

Rather run fast than have that extra damage personally

[carmine frost]

how much haste do u guys have?

[sweet summit]

2 pieces without haste

[hoary pivot]

movespeed is super valuable in m+, thats why im asking

[carmine frost]

is hast still simming high for u? because its super low for me at 27%

[hoary pivot]

defensive value of haste is high and at like 35% you can switch to ITF

[hoary pivot]

does blasphemite count itself as a color?

[carmine frost]

nah

just the 5 others

[hoary pivot]

i see

[molten gorge]

ya so you can get 10%

kinda crazy

[carmine frost]

well each time i play ara i wish i had that move + xD

[hoary pivot]

10% sounds worth, even for the amber gem

i will sim it, ty everyone

[quick glacier]

at which keylevel is it recommended to take "battle-scarred veteran" instead of "ravager"? playing 9/10s

[jagged pier]

we dont recommend that swap

but u take bsv when u feel like u need it

but generally i would say 12 at the earliest

if u want it

but u should really drop sc and its cap stone and pick bsv an bolster instead

[molten gorge]

It still feels so funky that this is theoretically the better choice

[jagged pier]

yer i know

but its personal preference if ppl want to drop rav they can

alot of ppl dont like it

(i do)

[molten gorge]

Aye ofc, just one of those choices that I don't think you'd ever make the "right" one without doing the numbers

Cause it just instinctively looks worse

[jagged pier]

number wise rav is ahead, but droping a stop is arguably bad too

[quick glacier]

ok thanks jakey

[molten gorge]

Aye

[jagged pier]

but that stop does need to be used on CD for block up time

its kinda just pick the bad choice u want and run with it

cause nither of them are great to drop

[quick zenith]

Hi, does anyone know how the amount of shield on ignore pain is calculated? I know it is based off attack power but sometimes it's giving me a 500k shield and sometimes it's giving 2.5 mil when my stats are not changing in between. Why are the shield amounts so different?

[shell warren]

Would like to know this too! 🫶🏽

[raw parcel]

Is there some reason for that warlock skip in Mists? Seems like it might have made sense in Shadowlands, but it's not that hard a pack and now it means doing another two packs after the last boss.

[raw parcel]

It stacks up to a certain amount, not sure what it is, maybe like 25% of your hp? Anyway, you only get a portion of that maximum each time you press it.

[wicked pollen]

because the pack hurts

[raw parcel]

But you never get 2.5 mil from one press.

[hoary pivot]

the pack is pretty bad and note very time efficient

you can skip it with a lot of classes though

[raw parcel]

Does it? I mean it does if people don't have their kicks keybound, I guess. Doesn't seem to hurt more than the worms, and definitely not as much as the maze trash smashing anima slashes into my ass.

[wicked pollen]

rogue monk evoker mage

the guy that slams when his hp gets to 50% is not something you enjoy pulling

[raw parcel]

I guess I can see that. Doesn't really impact my health bar, but must suck to heal.

[wicked pollen]

Hitting that as a melee dps is not enjoyable to say the least

[raw parcel]

I wanna try running some all tank key at some point this season. But finding five tanks is hard. xD

Unrelated question: is there a vendor that sells stuff for alts using valorstones like in DF?

[native girder]

hey what do u guys think about this trinket for m+ ?

[raw parcel]

It's fairly low tier on the list, apparently.

Though I think our bis lists tend to strongly lean against defensive bonuses.

[native girder]

i agree

[wicked pollen]

its because they are minimal at best

[raw parcel]

That one is like a free full stack of ignore pain once a minute that stacks with ignore pain, doesn't seem trivial to me. That could definitely save you in a pinch.

[neon elk]

Its useles , and if that "one ip" would save you then u probably did something bad

[twilit lagoon]

hey guys. i am currently gearing my warr. i dont have any good weapon/shield yet. i am not sure about crafting atm. should i just craft 619 shield/weapon for a quick upgrade? or should farm gilded crest to craft 639 gear already? not sure how to spend my crests tbh 😄

[raw parcel]

Not one ignore pain, five presses of ignore pain. Calling it useless is hyperbole.

[neon elk]

Its still 3k+ passive str so if your current trinkets are garbo go for it

[wicked pollen]

shield > weapon

[raw parcel]

I wouldn't trade my sacbrood or skarmorak for it, but it's not a terrible trinket. If that's the only option you have for myth track, I'd take it.

[neon elk]

Saying it might save you is also hyperbole , dps trinket causes you to kill enemy faster, so u take less dmg overal, which can also save you

[remote frost]

any thoughts on gathering clouds vs thorims might after the changes?

[pallid quiver]

There's multiple reasons it's not particularly good, especially in comparison to other defensive trinkets we've had.

The first is the trigger requirements, as it being tied to taunt often means it's going to be available after large damage as hit.
The second is that it's not the aboslute largest amount out there; it's definitely still useful, hence why it's on the tier list at all, but it'll get burned through.

[raw parcel]

And I definitely don't get why Chain Weaver is two full tiers above that and Swarmlord's Authority. Hell, Swarmlord's actually does damage, too.

Chain Weaver is nothing but defense, and the number overall absorbed is way less.

[pallid quiver]

Chain Weaver reduces attack speed

[faint maple]

Can somebody help me with decision? Like a play fury for the raid and now I have 1st spark that I can use for my prot. I have good wep and shield (hero 626 both, with perfect stats) but I had not good rings and neck. I want to craft neck (coz it will add a lot to me and I cant farm it from m+), is good variant to emb it?

[pallid quiver]

So as a defensive trinket, it dramatically reduces incoming damage by a scaling amount, rather than any flat amount

[raw parcel]

Oh, damn, didn't see that. Guess it's not trash after all. XD

[opaque basin]

Cape very rare 626 or cape myth?

[neon elk]

Sim? If difference is small( which should) i would probably go for hc one , after this weeks raid clear if u pug , just in case

[twilit lagoon]

not sure, but did you answer my question? 😄

[jovial violet]

with todays patch, did something change regarding talents on tank for m+ / raid? I did not find anything - but wanted to make sure so I ask

[wicked pollen]

i just did craft shield over weapon, i have 0 clue about the content you are able to do

if you can get 90 gilded craft with rhat

if not you go 619

[dusty bane]

torn with which one to chose, currently running hero sac and vet larynx

[umbral kernel]

Sikran more easy to use/versatile imo

but it depends on what you're doing

[dusty bane]

both raid and m+

[pallid quiver]

Ultimately, you'd want to sim them

But also note that transmitter can feel intrusive from time to time

[umbral kernel]

I do not agree, it's two very different trinket

[grim pilot]

@strong forum almost 1,2

[umbral kernel]

ultimately you should chose between both playstyle imo

Sikran it's easy you press it on cooldown, deal damage, gain bonus

[pallid quiver]

The only realistic way to compare damage trinkets for what's best is to sim, while considering how intrusive transmitter can be

[umbral kernel]

transmitter is intrusive, you have to line it up with other things

in m+ collecting orbs can be a hassle

[umbral kernel]

I don't think so

it seems that Thane is even stronger than before

[raw parcel]

Damage is up. Slightly less rage. Feels like a good trade.

My damage jumped like 100k today. Combo of the changes and some new upgrades, but still.

[lunar cove]

Hey, new guy here. Just wondering if worth getting a 636 wep with 90 Gilded Harbringer crests or not

I know shield is better but looking for a 639 myth there I think

[raw parcel]

Shield is the best value to craft by far.

Only thing that raises shield block value.

[lunar cove]

even though can only go to 636?

[raw parcel]

It's only 3 ilvl short, the odds of getting any one particular piece in the vault is low enough that you could be waiting weeks.

Months, if you're unlucky.

Weapon is also a solid choice though, as is shoring up any piece you have that's garbo ilvl.

[lunar cove]

true, ty

I have a 619 shield crafted so will save a bunch of gold to tbh

If I had a 626 hero sheild, probably be worth waiting but yer low chance

[raw parcel]

If you got the thing crafted already, that's already a spark cost sunk in anyway, might as well get it up to proper ilvl.

[pallid quiver]

If you're hitting 1st boss of M raid, shield crafts drop in value since you'll get a shield on the sooner end rather than later

[raw parcel]

Oh, fair point. I'm speaking purely as an M+ enthusiast. I don't raid at all.

[lunar cove]

yer no time for raiding here

particularly frustrating this tier it seems, big ilvls to be had from raid

[median geyser]

is there any point we stop prioritising haste or keep going even into dr?

[jagged pier]

nah pump it

[jagged girder]

Is not worth dropping Thorim's might besides the nerf, right?

[solid cargo]

I miss having all the rage all the time

[karmic plinth]

not worth dropping it

[dark dagger]

Already got the Sac on Hero 6/6 - the weapon is more worth it considering the trinkets next ilvl upgrades arent that useful considering how expensive they are right?

[umbral kernel]

take weap imo

[jagged girder]

I would take sac, as this can be the only time you'll get that this season. There will be tons of new weapons next weeks. Also you can craft a 636

[solid cargo]

Yea can't craft a max ilvl sac

Might never see it in vault again

[jagged girder]

This is the key, imo

[raw parcel]

Lucky get, bro.

Take the sac, in my opinion.

[umbral kernel]

yea that was one lucky vault haha

[deft mortar]

Imo that 6.67% SB uptime from the last stand talent ain't that bad if your haste isn't high

Totals like 91.11% altho details uptime is 95%, I guess shit dies faster than this stabilizes

My natural uptime is 66.67% based on 12 sec CD

17.78% from SC

[edgy bone]

For everyone using mad queens mandate, what are your thoughts?

[jagged pier]

good

[next yacht]

chest or cloak?

[edgy bone]

Do you like it better than Larynx?

[warm silo]

thoughts on this trinket?

[twilit lagoon]

just to make sure that i understand it correctly: BiS embellishments are 2x dawnthread lining, but until you got 639 weapon/shield, you still craft weapon/shield instead of other slots with dawnthread lining?

[vocal verge]

It’s alright does pretty good overall damage not gonna notice the damage reduction though

[trim wind]

What's this new affix I'm reading about logging in, open rifts devouring players? How does that affect tanking? Doesn't seem too bad?

[sharp gale]

Basically all group gets a debuff, either you dispel or remove it by healing, you have 15 seconds to do it or enemies get 10% hp heal per failed debuff

Impending victory doesn’t remove it alone you need more but it helps the healer

[trim wind]

Oh, so it's a heal check? Or just dispell then

[sharp gale]

Heal and/or dispel check

You can’t spell reflect from what I tried but maybe I just failed

I tried gnome racial it doesn’t work (i guessed it would not but tried just to check)

[tribal wharf]

i've never once rolled a gnome in earnest until mech gnome

its like rolling panda, night elf, vulpera,

its agianst my beliefs or something

its one of those things that basically i could never, also panda vulpera

[sharp gale]

Don’t worry there are people playing gobbos and doggos

[inner wren]

It’s okay, would do 1.5 to 3% of my dps on my guardian Druid (also myth track)

[tribal wharf]

i could roll orc, or worgen

both are incredibly bad ass

but is not the road i walk down

me not that type of orc

[sharp gale]

DOG

[tribal wharf]

if i roll alliance i like to do human and dwarf firsrt

and if i play horde i like to play undead, or troll, cow for tank cuz duh

and then the rest of races unless they got a new updated ones with cool active like maghar can fuck em self

no blood elf for me, no gobo

gobo is another im not sure i would roll it

i ever have to play priest warlock mage, it will always be undead unless some other insane race

[sharp gale]

What do you actually play

[velvet jolt]

Kul Tiran prot warrior is god tier aesthetics for alliance

[tribal wharf]

cuz canabalize op mana regen

[wide pilot]

How far do we have to be from the guardians in the mist maze to avoid the dmg?

[tribal wharf]

we need undead paladin

who can canablize

does he deal more dmg to himself?

im trolling but

[runic hatch]

Undead paladin would be the same as Calia Menethil most likely

Raised by the light or smth like that

[tribal wharf]

i would perma re-roll to undead paladin if i had option

not dk

my first dk from bfa was undead

[sharp gale]

Im waiting gnome Paladin

[tribal wharf]

sure

[pallid quiver]

Undead DKs can not be trusted; they died twice in character creation

[tribal wharf]

fuck it, gnome paladin why not

more mana for hpal gnomes

[sharp gale]

With a little horse speed cd

[tribal wharf]

my real thoughts about the limitations of canabalize is it should grant buff dmg healing during after using it, more if cant get mana from it

[soft aspen]

did the mountain thane buff hit?

how are we looking

[inner wren]

wut

just spell reflect

[tawny linden]

in stonevault do you guys route for the vers buff ever?

[sharp gale]

We are warriors

[tribal wharf]

im curious how long that buff even lasts

probably 30 seconds

[tawny linden]

i think its 10min

[ocean nova]

what vers buff

[soft aspen]

Did the buffs go live already

[tawny linden]

blacksmithing buff in the corner of 1 of the rooms

[sharp gale]

It’s 10 min

[tribal wharf]

hmm, 10 minutes? really, well, okay, now i feel like an idiot after failing 100 stonevaults

[sharp gale]

It’s warrior too, we don’t need a profession

[tribal wharf]

if you are engineer you can do meadry and threads buffs

[tawny linden]

didnt even realise

[sharp gale]

And herbalism for mists « just in case »

[tawny linden]

so i take it you guys DO go for it?

[tribal wharf]

well, flamethrower = / = buff , i dunno

flamethrower is pretty cool

[sharp gale]

Since I know I can ALWAYS activate it, I take it yes

[wide pilot]

Um you only have spell reflect every other spell and on double guardians you have it one every 4

[sharp gale]

And 10% vers for duo boss + skarmorak/his trash is cool

[inner wren]

spell block

[neon elk]

Spell block and wall

[inner wren]

god gave you cds for a reason

[tribal wharf]

this is how i would fix SV buff if i was blizzard

[sharp gale]

What is this supposed to mean?

[tribal wharf]

green good to go, orange maybe locations

i'd rather have it close to the linear path

is what im saying

[sharp gale]

Green you would not have the buff on skarmorak anymore I think

[tribal wharf]

its probably if you die you lose the buff anyways

[sharp gale]

You lose it yes

[tribal wharf]

so then it sucks to get and then feels even worse to lose

[neon elk]

Is it better to use buff for mechanists/shamrok or mechanists/last?

[tribal wharf]

thats my point of the drawing

[sharp gale]

You don’t lust mechanists ?

[tribal wharf]

lustmechanics 3 seconds in is very strong move

[sharp gale]

Or you just 2 BL the dungeon ?

[tribal wharf]

the vents, iwont get into it too badly, but they get visually obsructed, and its not reccomended to be mid due to box

so its a hard fight, for pug