to not grab them when they're right there
#protection
reef hazel
naive hatch
Does last add on Dawnbreaker summon her adds on health thresholds or timer?
lone hearth
Does last add on Dawnbreaker summon her adds on health thresholds or timer?
Timer I believe
sonic brook
i time a 10 fine, and 11 timing is fine until pugs wipe me on spears, but i'm sure 12 you need to do different pulls
tulip oar
No, it should be most of the first area including the big pack between the gatekeepers.
tulip oar
I'm at work so can't pull it up.
waxen frigate
Scroll up to where I responded to someone else on how to analyze block
sonic brook
this
i updated the post with your feedback Nish
But I don't know what % to aim for
deft mortar
You said 90% SB uptime is decent but could be improved
dusky canopy
Nim you taunt or heroic throw the furthest one from the necromancer and or otherwise pull with boss works too
waxen frigate
You said 90% SB uptime is decent but could be improved
Wut
naive hatch
this is how i've been pulling
sweet summit
two gatekeepers? holy hell
waxen frigate
deft mortar
so at 95% it should be ok
dusky summit
can you catalyst raid BOEs?
dusky canopy
Shield block “uptime” is irrelevant
lusty grotto
lol
dusky canopy
What matters is blocked hits
deft mortar
Shield block “uptime” is irrelevant
it is for shield slam dmg
muted arch
Imo 0 gate keepers is ideal
tribal wharf
halls of lightning would be a NIGHTMARE key to pug
muted arch
Theyre not very high value
waxen frigate
Theyre not very high value
They are now
sonic brook
you guys pugging these pulls at 11+?
random herald
They nerfed their hp and upped their %
naive hatch
Theyre not very high value
they're fast to kill and like 5.5%
deft mortar
halls of lightning would be a NIGHTMARE key to pug
id rather any dungeon but city of threads and court of stars
dusky canopy
I wouldnt** pull gate keepers myself
deft mortar
I hate those puzzles
dusky canopy
Routes without them feel better
deft mortar
I just wanna pull a pack
tulip oar
They nerfed their hp and upped their %
When was that?
sonic brook
4 pulls in first area in an 11+ pug feel ok? I dont have a team so just pug everything lol
waxen frigate
id rather any dungeon but city of threads and court of stars
Based cos hater
random herald
When was that?
Like week 1 perhaps? IDR exactly one sec let me find it if I acn
lusty grotto
When was that?
2 weeks ago
tulip oar
Hmmm
waxen frigate
It was recent
naive hatch
we do first pull w/ lust and second pull with the shield that's right there
tulip oar
Will have to go re-calculate.
tulip oar
If you can skip Narzhul, that's a big time saver.
random herald
Will have to go re-calculate.
naive hatch
as soon as gatekeeper in pull 1 dies we're pulling second
it's really fast and pretty safe
sonic brook
i might try that then
naive panther
broke 900k overall in 10 arak as collossus, lot less rage but no deaths in group, felt decent enough
random herald
If you can skip Narzudah or whatever that caster is before the bridge, then the gatekeepers are def more value
Just depends if you can do that skip in a pug or not
naive hatch
narzudah kinda free tho
tulip oar
Just sucks if you don't have a purge.
naive hatch
^
random herald
Yeah depends on group
waxen frigate
Just sucks if you don't have a purge.
Just invite a purge
sonic brook
then pull boss when safe to do so
do you get first spear in that room?
naive hatch
do you get first spear in that room?
yeah after you pull the blightbags right there
tulip oar
Typical group I have is Boomy, DK or Ret, Mage/Hunter, and Prirst or Druid healer.
sonic brook
I was wondering if you can sneak to it
naive hatch
pull them in during boss
zealous goblet
here is my less-buttons-press build so you too can streamline your rotation into success!
sonic brook
not trying to avoid getting the spear obviously
lusty grotto
scatter your timing is yogi-level right now
zealous goblet
for legal reasons i need to state this is a meme
naive panther
dang, as col I get like 40 less shield slams over the same run, and 150 less ip, but my overall heal went up, on the same key
zealous goblet
do not actually use this you will be executed and the dps players will hold your head up like isis does
"tank wheres ur thunderclap"
jagged gust
dang, as col I get like 40 less shield slams over the same run, and 150 less ip,...
Well yeah, your leech is higher because your DPS is higher
naive panther
now I'm looking at total healing and damge over the run rather than per second, and 3 runs all about same
tulip oar
"tank wheres ur thunderclap"
Ref to Colossus Prot?
zealous goblet
Ref to Colossus Prot?
LMAO
atleast they have it talented
i hate colossus i feel awful not pressing tc
naive panther
back to thane and see the dif of the rage loss from yesterday
jagged pier
U wont feel any
sonic brook
does anything else come to mind immediately for anyone for straightforward log review? i feel like this reflects the basics i've seen in chat today but not sure and just want to be kind of self-serve with evaluating myself if i can
tulip oar
I mean, if the dps is off in Narnia poking a mob Thunderclap should be the least of their concern.
naive panther
the big demolish hits is cool, but channeling is not
tulip oar
Does Channeling still allow mobs free hits?
lusty grotto
does anything else come to mind immediately for anyone for straightforward log r...
those look fine, revenge use might not be that important anyway
unless if youre colossus
sharp steppe
Is colossus ever an option over thane? Haven’t touched it yet
jagged gust
Well evaluating IP usage is irrelevant when you're already tracking rage
lusty grotto
for keys on farm, sure
zealous goblet
Is colossus ever an option over thane? Haven’t touched it yet
if you wanna have fun, doing raid, or doing lesser keys
thane has so much survivability over it tho
tulip oar
It's more dps at the cost of tankiness.
long bronze
how meaningful are the rage gen nerfs?
sharp steppe
Oh okay
jagged gust
less DPS diff since the buffs
lusty grotto
not meaningful at all
long bronze
okay I figured, thanks
sharp steppe
Well i guess thane it is then
tulip oar
how meaningful are the rage gen nerfs?
Nil, really nil. We won't overcap AS much.
lusty grotto
unga bunga dn
sonic brook
Well evaluating IP usage is irrelevant when you're already tracking rage
unless you spend rage on IP too much instead of having it for revenge to reset SS, but i'm not sure how to cleanly analyze that in a log
zealous goblet
unga bunga dn
if i ever feel homosexual you're top 5
long bronze
im prolly gonna get some hate for this, but now I have a choice to make
jagged gust
I've recently noticed the absolutely cracked sound effect for Demoralizing Shout
fast berry
easy sacbrood
zealous goblet
im prolly gonna get some hate for this, but now I have a choice to make
SACBROOD SACBROOD SACBROOD
jagged gust
idk if it's new or something, but I think it trumps spell reflect
inner wren
im prolly gonna get some hate for this, but now I have a choice to make
skarm bro
f the sac
zealous goblet
not because of optimization but so you drive friends and guildies to suicide
because they get envious
shell fox
this is how i've been pulling
aw hell no wowow owoooo...
long bronze
I have both on hero rn so it's kinda a toss up lol
sonic brook
those look fine, revenge use might not be that important anyway
thank you for feedback
random herald
What do.. currently have 619 of all these exact items. Surely Sacbrood right?
jagged gust
unless you spend rage on IP too much instead of having it for revenge to reset S...
You'd see it in CPM, if you break your rage generation cycle your apm starts to suffer
zealous goblet
What do.. currently have 619 of all these exact items. Surely Sacbrood right?
do you mythic raid
deft mortar
What do.. currently have 619 of all these exact items. Surely Sacbrood right?
ye just get sacblood
random herald
do you mythic raid
No 
zealous goblet
that's a toughie then
jagged gust
If it happens rarely then it's hard to notice unless you're really diving deep in to pull by pull encounters
tulip oar
What do.. currently have 619 of all these exact items. Surely Sacbrood right?
If you mythic raid, sure.
tulip oar
If not, it saves a catalyst
sonic brook
You'd see it in CPM, if you break your rage generation cycle your apm starts to ...
so should see if CPM is less than XX?
tulip oar
I didn't look, but what raid is the time walking one?
jagged gust
wrath
random herald
wot-lik
tulip oar
Lich king. Ooooh
nocturne spindle
CPM and then either 0 rage or capped rage
tulip oar
Wait, which raid? Naxx, throne, or Ulda?
nocturne spindle
0 rage you over spent and can't fish for procs from revenge
Capped you should be spending it
jagged gust
uld
tulip oar
Shit, couple items in there might be cool.
tribal wharf
jagged gust
ulduar has 7 different shields, our cup runneth over
tribal wharf
literal vendor trash
naive hatch
someone tell me what ulduar items might be chill weed vibe
tulip oar
Only one that will matter is the one from the quest cache.
candid cove
Alright. Quick question on the 4pc. Should I drop 13 ilvls on gloves to wear the 4pc. Granted I don’t raid this is just m+. I’ve got hero track gloves that aren’t tier and then lfr gloves.
lusty grotto
no
naive hatch
Only one that will matter is the one from the quest cache.
which is what
candid cove
Only one that will matter is the one from the quest cache.
Yep. And it’ll give out the most obscenely bad item. Like black temples Stam and crits don’t gen threat trinket.
tulip oar
which is what
A random item from the raid at 610. Hero track.
candid cove
dont drop any amounts of ilvl for tier
I figured the 4pc wasn’t that great. Thanks.
naive hatch
A random item from the raid at 610. Hero track.
yeah alright so what items are going to be chill weed vibe from ulduar 😂
that was the point
marble night
so are we just stacking haste to the moon
marble night
and.. get vers if we can?
tulip oar
yeah alright so what items are going to be chill weed vibe from ulduar 😂
Its been a long ass time since I was in Ulda.
long bronze
so did they like remove mythic dungeon week or what
naive hatch
Its been a long ass time since I was in Ulda.
there's just a lot of nerds here so i figured someone would know
long bronze
I need my chance at queen ring
lusty grotto
and.. get vers if we can?
not particularly
tulip oar
Let's be fair, it's the pot calling the kettle black. We're all on a Discord about a vidya gayme.
muted arch
assuming you're in all bis 639 gear, what are the 2 best slots to have 636 crafted with embelshment ?
lusty grotto
hard to say
sweet summit
wrist cloak no?
sweet summit
idk what that does
muted arch
where do tanks stand on that priority tho ahah
sweet summit
wrist belt then i guess
tulip oar
Wrist, and maybe weapon. Cloak from raid is BiS.
muted arch
639 weapon will always be better no?
nova pond
i could be trippin, i just saw a 7% buff to aoe dmg, ST felt the same just now
muted arch
already got wrist done, maybe was deciding between cloak/belt
nova pond
5 dummies
lusty grotto
that sounds right
woeful ore
Not sure I'm in the right place, but in terms of the new Devour affix (said to be dispellable by any kind of dispel), would either Bitter Immunity or Berserker Shout work? Would be pretty sick if you could deal with the affix on the entire group with BS
marble night
ive been victory rushing it
lusty grotto
immunity might work but
marble night
heals for most of it
lusty grotto
no clue why you would bend over for it
sweet summit
can see BI working
lusty grotto
so yeah Dwarf + Bitter Immunity
woeful ore
Shame BI is on a 3 minute CD...
sweet summit
yeah
lusty grotto
smh
sweet summit
real
merry sluice
if i ever feel homosexual you're top 5
your messages progressively get worse
naive hatch
poison cleanse toten 📣
tulip remnant
Shamans out here staying the best choice smh
candid cove
Just gotta keep that resto shaman superiority going.
deft mortar
ngl I feel like Champs Spear into Demolish does more than thunderous roar
deft mortar
champs spear demolish and shield charge while casting demolish with all cds*
deft mortar
I love shield charge amid demolish so much
plush tendon
sweet summit
it's in class tree so surely they can
sweet summit
need my skyfury or i'm not playing
plush tendon
skyfury go brrrrr
remote tusk
Shaman use Lightning, Warrior use Lightning
deft mortar
well
idk if I should still get the 2% crit talent which is I guess outright 2% dps upgrade or slightly more
remote tusk
🤝
plush tendon
Warrior Shaman combo is a tale as old as time
deft mortar
or 10% stamina to feel abit more relaxed
zealous goblet
your messages progressively get worse
c:
deft mortar
For 12 keys the 10% stam feels good
muted arch
any downsides to making the two embelished pieces wrist/hands?
deft mortar
any downsides to making the two embelished pieces wrist/hands?
can u embellish a cloak instead?
muted arch
well people got me thinking about the rash cloak
deft mortar
best mats for cloak cost like 5k total including the crest
Because it doesnt have stupid RNG materials involved like tinderbox
So its a big $$ save
when u recraft as well
muted arch
yeah but im worried about sinking the 90 gilded into it just to get rash cloak lmao
dont care about the cost to produce
nocturne spindle
any downsides to making the two embelished pieces wrist/hands?
Don't do hands it could be set piece
sand smelt
New affix a trivial affix?
random herald
any shaman brings cleansing totem though
Any shaman can bring it.. will they? 
tropic marsh
Out of curiosity, are any of the embellishments good enough to keep a crafted piece at full build? I imagine the 3ilvls will just be better based on the embellishments this tier
muted arch
also curious about that tbh
i think its worth the 3 ilvl but not 100% sure
can just sim it
strong forum
Embellishs are worth the 3ilvl
frail ibex
🙂
limpid ruin
woeful ore
New affix a trivial affix?
It seems like we're more or less just at the mercy of our healers. However I will try to see if Berserker Shout works on it, when we go live in EU. The affix description says "any kind of dispel" and "remove fear effects" sounds like it could be interpreted as a dispel. I know a lot of people here are smarter than me, but imma see for myself!
sand smelt
I was thinking victory rush might trivialize it, but not sure
woeful ore
I suppose it depends on how much healing is required
I play with a lot of pugs, so I would like to not be completely helpless with the new affix haha
green bronze
do we have to rush to remove it tho? i think buff reaplies much like week 1 and 2 affixes, so you can prolongate buff duration by removing it later on tank
woeful ore
Seems dangerous to sit on it too long. It's only 15 sec yea?
I would definitely deem it too risky with pugs at least...
green bronze
its 15 seconds long, plenty of time to remove it, and tank shouldnt really feel that he has it tbh)
i mean healer prioritizes dps for dispel, and then just heals tank until debuff is dropped
woeful ore
I'm just worried about an entire pack of fortified mobs healing lol
lusty grotto
still not worth a talent point to go immunity
green bronze
actually, order doesn't matter at all, ignore what i wrote
tropic marsh
Last stand removes it in a pinch?
woeful ore
No immunity also has too long of a cd
tropic marsh
Isn't it a max HP plus heal?
woeful ore
I think it counts as heal at least
lusty grotto
LS doesnt count
dark cosmos
It seems like we're more or less just at the mercy of our healers. However I wil...
i tried it and im pretty sure it cleared, unless it was my imagination
woeful ore
oh
woeful ore
i tried it and im pretty sure it cleared, unless it was my imagination
Finally someone with real empirical data! You give me hope sir!
dark cosmos
berserker rage* though to be specific
green bronze
finally a week with a good affix, that we will feel lol) didn't really feel last week's affix doing anything
dark cosmos
well my data was "hmm i think the buff went away and maybe it was just the healer dispelled me at the same time as coincidence"
lol
woeful ore
well my data was "hmm i think the buff went away and maybe it was just the heale...
yea yea, we'll write it up as "more testing needed"
onyx sandal
finally a week with a good affix, that we will feel lol) didn't really feel last...
Last week's affix is easily the worst one
tropic marsh
So how we feeling about Siege this week? Haha
sweet summit
siege is always unfun
muted arch
would tanks get prio on rash cloak?
woeful ore
Just too many weird bugs in that one. First boss pulling from five zip codes away, any class with a charge-like ability ending up in the water on last boss etc.
green bronze
i found siege to be pretty chill last week, looks like you don't need to rush there, just go on your own pace and you will be fine
woeful ore
i found siege to be pretty chill last week, looks like you don't need to rush th...
IIRC they tuned the dungeon timer, as it was very punishing in the beginning
green bronze
Just too many weird bugs in that one. First boss pulling from five zip codes awa...
my charge sends me through water a lot, but there is always enough time to jump on the shore)
deft mortar
we need a 3K m+ score achi
tropic marsh
I'm just thinking with the double dispell and affix 🙂
woeful ore
my charge sends me through water a lot, but there is always enough time to jump ...
Maybe for a plate user. But a survival hunter with 0 versatility just melts haha
inner wren
not sure why you'd prio to a tank
cuz i want the ilvl
muted arch
rash cloak is infinitely more useful for DPS
to increase dps survivablity you mean?
south zealot
1.3 all natty
high wyvern
As a M+ only player, am I kinda F from getting mythic track gear?
high wyvern
Man that sucks
sweet summit
it is what it is
high wyvern
And its pure RNG
sweet summit
i get why it is like that
can't ahve farmable myth track gear
that would be kinda silly
muted arch
1.3 all natty
what key
high wyvern
I feel like Dragonflight wasnt this bad
sweet summit
you think bfa gearing rocked?
deft mortar
As did Shadowlands
deft mortar
I had 2.4k rating in both so I'd get mythic tier ilvl drops from pvp constantly
high wyvern
Anyway lotsa my friends kinda go to heroic gear, hard stuck at 9/10s, then quit
deft mortar
The day mythic raid released or maybe before, I already had 226 weapon in shadowlands S1
deft mortar
you think bfa gearing rocked?
Double chest from pvp and pve, both dropping mythic gear
Must not have rocked for ppl who can't kill a mage tho
high wyvern
Nice!
nocturne spindle
strength in line again
sweet summit
about time!
minor helm
erga rocks I know that
sweet summit
eyir rocks
slate crow
Though choices or im i overthinking it? I already have the weapon crafted 636, this trinket does not sim very well for dmg or thinking bout defenses.
long bronze
1.3 all natty
absolutely crankin
south zealot
this stopping me from doing good
woeful ore
I’m in the same boat. This week for sure I get a mythic one
That would require you to open vault in Prot loot spec. Which means you risk filling your slots with this season's useless tank trinkets
deft mortar
u can get useless 2Hs
limpid ruin
Or just kill first boss mythic
silent sphinx
deft mortar
i am
inner wren
you open it in prot if u need shield or 1h
tribal wharf
whats the weekly debuff keys
woeful ore
I open in arms or fury, just to not get shitty trinkets. But I do of course run the risk of getting 2Hs. But I do DPS once in a while, so they're not completely useless, compared to tank trinket
deft mortar
I joined a low key as dps
played prot anwyway
the actual tank couldn't get aggro
prob still more overall than me as fury
woeful ore
Refracting aggression module makes me outright angry it's that bad
deft mortar
that until u are outta CDs and gotta pop defensives
and the other tank cant taunt for his life
quasi pivot
my shield is 619 kekw
619 shield and wep for me and doing 9s no issue.
woeful ore
It doesn't scale properly with ilvl, so a trash mob auto attack from mythic raid or any reasonably high key will eat the entire thing
deft mortar
ye i am just missing 2 on 10s timed as well
shit doesnt matter for 10s
my overall is 617 ilvl
wrists are fkn 603 tho
I just refuse to farm lower crests
slate crow
I open in arms or fury, just to not get shitty trinkets. But I do of course run ...
Regarding to that statement, do you believe that having the crafted 636 shieed and 1 hander it's enought to stop risking opening vault as a tank?
woeful ore
Regarding to that statement, do you believe that having the crafted 636 shieed a...
Most definitely
Getting myth tier wep or shield would pretty much be my only incentive to open vault in prot spec
deft mortar
is weapon rly even that good
shield fucks but weapon idk
what scales off weapon dmg
woeful ore
Shield is better, but weapon damage is great
woeful ore
what scales off weapon dmg
Nothing as far as I know, but since you rely heavily on auto attacks with Devastator, cranking that damage is nice
neon elk
I just refuse to farm lower crests
Once u are on cap u automaticly get lower ones even if u do 9s..
chilly brook
go sim your stats weapon DPS is gonna be biggest stat
slate crow
Maybe i should grab the 1 hander on my chest, even already having the 636 crafter
sick sentinel
Someone's probably already asked this but just curious - does IP counting as self-healing work for this week's affix?
chilly brook
no
lusty grotto
its not a pure heal
elder bay
I use IP IRL
candid cove
I use IP IRL
Just let the wounds bleed and ignore them?
elder bay
I said ignore pain not ignore the wound
sick sentinel
Thanks
zealous goblet
not the place to ask, but idk where else to go because im in no wow discords except this one and dont have a reddit account, how much would y'all charge for acuity? i've done all i needed with it and am considering offering it now
for recrafts and stuff
astral crystal
You set the price, keep in mind two things: there’s a sucker born every minute and a fool and his gold are easily parted
zealous goblet
You set the price, keep in mind two things: there’s a sucker born every minute a...
i play wow to live out the fantasy of being able to have money because irl im poor
fuck slaying dragons and shit i just wanna be able to afford food
ultimate dream
astral crystal
You can definitely charge outrageous amounts for conc use
tropic marsh
Time to send out some job apps!
astral crystal
Make sure you’re also using one of those sniper addons for crafting
zealous goblet
naw i dont NEED conc, im completely maxxed in blacksmithing
im strictly refering to acuity offering
astral crystal
Oooh gotcha
zealous goblet
Time to send out some job apps!
fuck u i alread yam dont u judge me ill dps u down irl
reef hazel
I've literally no idea but as like a rough benchmark - how much dps should dps be doing on a 10/11 key?
fierce pier
1.3 all natty
do you have the logs to this?
lusty grotto
1.2M +
reef hazel
Trying nw10s and runs are clean but timer feels tight :/
tropic marsh
No judgment friend, just love to see an dream fulfilled
lusty grotto
def more than 1M
lusty grotto
he said dps
reef hazel
Dps
fathom robin
Imperfect Ascendancy Serum. We talking mediocre trinket or pretty good?
reef hazel
not tank
reef hazel
dps dps 😄
zealous goblet
like, total damage done
inner wren
wtf i only do like 200k
zealous goblet
i almost shat myself
zealous goblet
wtf i only do like 200k
bigger pulls, more dps. thane is godly
pastel remnant
are we using colossus or mountain in heroic raid talent? gonna tank in raid tonight (was blood before) and not sure if i should play colossus or mountain)
deft mortar
what ranking is more accurate
zealous goblet
are we using colossus or mountain in heroic raid talent? gonna tank in raid toni...
if you feel like you need damage reduction, go thane. if not, colossus.
deft mortar
warcraft logs or raider io
lusty grotto
if youre just starting out just do MT until youre familiar with the encounter and the class
zealous goblet
i parsed 95-99s (ON WEEK 1 MIGHT CHANGE) as mountain thane on normal and heroic
so like
¯_(ツ)_/¯
just know a good rotation will always prevail
deft mortar
i parsed 95-99s (ON WEEK 1 MIGHT CHANGE) as mountain thane on normal and heroic
if you had pumper raids you would proba have 99%
zealous goblet
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lusty grotto
because you will get dunked on when people log on
zealous goblet
not all of them know that
lusty grotto
just doing my job 😎
zealous goblet
just so we're clear i'm not arguing performance i'm just saying do good rotation, get into future pugs easier
south zealot
do you have the logs to this?
dont think so lemme check
zealous goblet
what do u guys think shield block uptime was in the 1400s
fierce pier
dont think so lemme check
noice ty
zealous goblet
serious answers only please
zealous goblet
Considering 100% is the max 1400 is pretty overkill
dps u irl
not /j
very much /srs
dusky canopy
zealous goblet
i pad on ur family
heroic strike ur sister to ragedump
wait
thats classic
we need heroic strike to come back so we can return to rage starving properly
inner wren
zealous goblet
wholesome -15 (with no auto attack rage generation so it's like -25)
zealous goblet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276976251764211832/1276976251982184458/I...
deft mortar
@south zealot ima go in with pumpers and beat u
can I get an augment
or is that cheating xd
south zealot
on logs it dont matter
fathom robin
Anyone having issues getting a balanced secondary stat profile? I seem to have a lot of mastery and just am not having luck getting items with vers. Is everyone just letting that go and leaving thier secondary's to the drop gods? Or worth spending time farming ideal secondary's? if so what percents we talking for each?
deft mortar
Anyone having issues getting a balanced secondary stat profile? I seem to have ...
I got
I shit u not
900 crit
zealous goblet
Anyone having issues getting a balanced secondary stat profile? I seem to have ...
s1
we in shambles
worry about ilvl
south zealot
Anyone having issues getting a balanced secondary stat profile? I seem to have ...
just get haste
deft mortar
vers doesnt feel bad tho
south zealot
other stats dont matter even a little bit
south zealot
i have 1600 vers lol
deft mortar
Wonder if after a point of parry%, Barbaric Training would actually be good
Like can get it proc that every few GCDs
fathom robin
for percents i have 17 crit, 22 haste, 21 mastery (wow), and 8 vers (shameful). I just cant seem to get better stated drops to bring vers up
tired forge
is there a crit breakpoint at all? i was planning to just gear mostly vers and have w/e crit i have
deft mortar
is there a crit breakpoint at all? i was planning to just gear mostly vers and h...
assuming your haste is primary, right?
dim girder
Its a good day to open vault boys, having a hard time deciding.
tired forge
assuming your haste is primary, right?
correct
lusty grotto
Anyone having issues getting a balanced secondary stat profile? I seem to have ...
youre min maxing things you shouldn't
just get ilvl
and haste
thats it
fathom robin
okay, sounds good
deft mortar
correct
i bet right after first soft cap whichever of the two isn't soft capped is better
seems that close
tired forge
whats soft cap?
lusty grotto
nothing you should be concerned about
zealous goblet
and haste
hey what haste for itf 
(disregard thiss new people please use HR for shield uptime unless raiding)
lusty grotto
but if you want the DRs for crit
deft mortar
ye we arent hitting crit or vers soft cap while maxxing haste
Altho I am getting close to haste
muted arch
any good routes ARAK?
deft mortar
any good routes ARAK?
bro dungeon is basically linear
long bronze
hit w
muted arch
way over on %
lusty grotto
crit DRs are
10% = 28k
20% = 35k
30% = 42k
40% = 49k
50% = 140k
but you shouldn't be concerned about these, just sim
muted arch
usaully try and take right up to the first hanging spider dude first pull
but its hit and miss with pugs how clean the pull is lol
deft mortar
usaully try and take right up to the first hanging spider dude first pull
this wont work in a pug
muted arch
then clear second platform
muted arch
yeah usually everyone is
then clear that second platform in like 2 pulls, leaving a couple things up to take with boss
and 3rd big spider dude
after that just linear but its like 6% over
since you need to clear that second platform
and you cant really avoid anything without invis
wondering if someones got a better idea to avoid invis
mellow quartz
Why would you want to invis in Arak? You have to pull extra to not be over count.
muted arch
are u sure? im 6% over with what i just said
literally only clearing everything that i absolutely have to
mellow quartz
Clear left platform, clear boss, clear right, go right side between 1st and 2nd boss and in the end go straight down the middle.
muted arch
do you have a screenshot of your route in mdt to share here?
yeah fuck im on my laptop right now haha
mellow quartz
You need a little extra for 100% with that
barren crane
me too, i can't pull up mdt either atm that's why i was curious ha
muted arch
Clear left platform, clear boss, clear right, go right side between 1st and 2nd ...
are you fully clearing the middle platform?
mellow quartz
Yes
muted arch
can u send a screen shot
mellow quartz
lusty grotto
its afflicted 2.0 + grievous
pallid quiver
Need to dispell or heal it away
lusty grotto
so healer affix
sharp steppe
The magic shield from intervene is complete trash or?
muted arch
ah strange, never seen someone go down the center before 3rd boss
pallid quiver
The magic shield from intervene is complete trash or?
It's like 500k every 30 seconds
lusty grotto
not complete trash it adds up
mellow quartz
have a shaman in your group and poison cleansing totem will take care of the affix
tribal wharf
what type of dispell is it
muted arch
what type of dispell is it
any
pallid quiver
Any
tribal wharf
magic i presume? so more work for healer?
mellow quartz
ah strange, never seen someone go down the center before 3rd boss
you are a warrior, avoiding the stun puddles in a pain with 90% slows
molten gorge
Ideally you wanna go left instead of right to avoid 2x the dmg reduction mobs no?
sharp steppe
And how exactly does intervene work in pve? Only for physical damage, right? And I need to be in melee
mellow quartz
Ideally you wanna go left instead of right to avoid 2x the dmg reduction mobs no...
I dont
pallid quiver
You can bitter immunity it if you really wanted
mellow quartz
the DR mobs are to the other mobs around them not the mobs themselves
tribal wharf
yeah i mean like what type is the debuff, since it can be removed
mellow quartz
so you are just cleaving the other mobs anyway
molten gorge
ya but at DR
molten gorge
so it's slower
pallid quiver
And how exactly does intervene work in pve? Only for physical damage, right? And...
Need to be close enough to the target generally, and it works on a case-by-case basis, though generally any kind of physical attack, including ranged shots and the like
tribal wharf
i see what it does now but
mellow quartz
so it's slower
not if the big guy dies together with the others anyway
sharp steppe
Need to be close enough to the target generally, and it works on a case-by-case ...
Okay so something like the slam on Last Boss CoT should be intetveneable, right?
pallid quiver
Has to be directed at someone usually
So if it's an AOE phys damage, generally won't swap the damage over
sharp steppe
Oh okay 
molten gorge
only going to matter as keys get higher
tribal wharf
i dont understand the dispell it part, ya, there is weird stuff where non healers can dispel like 3/4 things
muted arch
you are a warrior, avoiding the stun puddles in a pain with 90% slows
whatd u mean by this btw
molten gorge
same with doing the middle at end, the mob scaling on that last mob is going to get rough
mellow quartz
only going to matter as keys get higher
timed a +12 with the above route
pallid quiver
but magic is generally from what i understand, healer only
Magic is intended to be a healer only mechanic dispell
mighty valley
i dont understand the dispell it part, ya, there is weird stuff where non healer...
if you have a spell that can dispel ANYTHING (like remove curse, or cleanse disease) then it can remove this debuff
pallid quiver
Warlocks and Dwarves can also dispell magic, but it's generally mega niche
tired forge
Silken chain weaver seems really strong for high keys, or is it bait?
molten gorge
timed a +12 with the above route
the season doesn't end at 12 ^^ but ya as I said
tribal wharf
oh, weird, okay
molten gorge
as keys get higher
lusty grotto
Silken chain weaver seems really strong for high keys, or is it bait?
strongest defensive option, yes
tribal wharf
i'll have to pay attention to it or log it
mighty valley
if your group is stretched for dispels we can take bitter immunity
tired forge
strongest defensive option, yes
only from delves right? got a champ one so i assume i cant get a higher one? maybe in vault?
mighty valley
but it lasts 15 seconds so tons of time
pallid quiver
You can also try healing it off with LS + IV
muted arch
also are most people going right before second boss of ARAK, i thought left was better?
tribal wharf
what i did in th key i was running to test the affix, i found using victory rush was okay for the healing absorb
molten gorge
either works
tribal wharf
thats the only part of it i knew for sure
pallid quiver
thats the only part of it i knew for sure
The healing part and dispells and interchangeable
lusty grotto
only from delves right? got a champ one so i assume i cant get a higher one? may...
yeah but champs is good enough cause the slow speed doesnt change
pallid quiver
You can either heal it off or dispell it
tired forge
yeah but champs is good enough cause the slow speed doesnt change
awesome thanks
mellow quartz
think left will see more play in the long run
if anything you skip most of that area later on in the season
tribal wharf
well, what if you heal yourself and then you arent 100% hp still
molten gorge
if anything you skip most of that area later on in the season
Ya true if there's some skip tech that'd be the spot
south zealot
who ping
mellow quartz
we were talking about a guy asking how to pull the dungeon
so doubt it was 'high' keys
molten gorge
Ah, I didn't read back, ya middle at end imo with pugs too
think someone asked same the other day
the fucking slow mobs at the end sometimes are yikes
with pugs especially
mellow quartz
if you pull slow mobs without a freedom ability you have to time leap and intervenes which you can but who wants to do that in pugs
muted arch
im doing 11s, 12s
molten gorge
just striking up convo to see what others are doing
I'm going left rn at least and left at dungeon end
mellow quartz
im doing 11s, 12s
yeah but the other guy who asked probably isn't lol
molten gorge
but haven't tried it on 12 there yet, only tried Mists on 12 so far
muted arch
yeah but the other guy who asked probably isn't lol
im literally the one who asked
hahah
molten gorge
mellow quartz
thought it was Agmius
tribal wharf
molten gorge
im literally the one who asked
this what i've been doing rn
muted arch
this what i've been doing rn
yeah same here
mellow quartz
anyway I timed the route I linked on a +12 holding W with a group from LFG without voice and was easy
mellow quartz
this what i've been doing rn
I wouldnt wanna do pull 9 there, 3 assistants are rough
cant block or spell block
if you do them that small might be fine
but they do a lot of dam on +12
molten gorge
ya need some CDs, maybe too much on a 12
molten gorge
I was kinda surprised (probably stupidly) at the jump from 11 to 12
like even Mists, we bricked cause the dps just was not pumping like we needed
was like 2mins over timer
and I took a lot more dmg than I thought
molten gorge
top key +14 on raider.io
ya that's a nice route ngl
mellow quartz
invis pots in pugs at this stage though.....
molten gorge
ya for pugging no shot
have to carry invis pots for people, trade them, and they'd still brick it
problem rn is I don't even think it's hard to have all 11s
mellow quartz
sorry said that route was +12 meant no1 route at +14 on rio
molten gorge
I'm legit fresh to tank and the only 11s I haven't done is cause I've not had the keys (bar GB where we got griefed by boss despawn)
so can't really pick out who the gamer gamers are
cause i clearly am not
mellow quartz
the 11 to 12 gab is insane
molten gorge
for sure
mellow quartz
dont have to press a single defensive to time 11s
molten gorge
Ya, I'm really glad I focused on it without needing to early on
cause 12 mists without my defensive usage being up, would have been dog shit
mellow quartz
molten gorge
fr can see why people play BSV
mellow quartz
actually took damage in a +12
molten gorge
keen nymph
guys i need help 😦 how do i tank nexus princess on heroic difficulty
keen nymph
I feel like i need shield wall up everytime she does her thingy
mellow quartz
never went below 50%
muted arch
guys i need help 😦 how do i tank nexus princess on heroic difficulty
what problem are you havig
having*
molten gorge
DB is easier
I probably just assumed incorrectly that Mists would be easy tbh
mellow quartz
I probably just assumed incorrectly that Mists would be easy tbh
VERY tight timer
mellow quartz
ARAK and GB are by far the easiest 12s
if you have good dps then mist is fine
very tight though
keen nymph
what problem are you havig
I'm just getting one-shot by her void shredders if I don't have shield wall
molten gorge
if you have good dps then mist is fine
Ya, we were a little off the mark, think our CD usage was bad
keen nymph
in a guild yeah
muted arch
whats your cotank
keen nymph
Bear tank
muted arch
oh lol
thin pollen
would you guys take a myth track mark of khadros or a hero track mad queens mandate
muted arch
i dont remember that being a problem one min
sleek current
Use Spell Block and Spell Reflect in between the shield walls mate
Beyond that, give us a log and we can take a look at where you're struggling on the main rotation
keen nymph
spell reflect reduces the shadow damage?
sleek current
It reduces all magic damage by 25% for 5 seconds
pallid quiver
SR reduces all magic damage by 20%
sleek current
20%*
pallid quiver
Even if you don't reflect anything, it's still a strong defensive option
molten gorge
would you guys take a myth track mark of khadros or a hero track mad queens mand...
Mark of Khadros is very good, why would you not take it ?
keen nymph
ah didn't know shadow counted as magic damage
pallid quiver
Heck, the DR used to go away after you reflected something, and that was actually a negative aspect in some situations
pallid quiver
ah didn't know shadow counted as magic damage
Shadow/Nature/Arcane/Fire/Frost/etc and any combination thereof are all magic damage
Pretty much, anything that isn't physical damage is magic damage
sleek current
Anything that doesn't explictately state "Physical". It's probably magical
keen nymph
Shadow/Nature/Arcane/Fire/Frost/etc and any combination thereof are all magic da...
gotcha, ty. I just saw on the spread sheet that it wasn't blockable or reflectable
but ill keep that in mind next time i tank it
thin pollen
Mark of Khadros is very good, why would you not take it ?
mad queen mandate is simming higher but lower track
pallid quiver
Yeah, you can still use SR for the DR, even if it isn't reflectable
mellow quartz
You can look all abilities up on wowhead to see the specific data and flags
pallid quiver
You just can't reflect/deflect it
thin pollen
only issues im coming into
keen nymph
thank you all for your input 🙂
proper veldt
is tanking heroic court basically the same as normal
sleek current
If you're juicing, yes.
We don't tank swap and the only time we don't stack is to help the unga bungas clear their debuff on phase 2.
We being me and my co-tank but, if you... Want to swap, you still can. It's just wasted time and effort when you can eat that physical hit like it's breakfast.
proper veldt
mmk thanks
pallid quiver
We being me and my co-tank but, if you... Want to swap, you still can. It's just...
Not solo tanking the caster P1 to get maximum reflects off smh
past cobalt
is prot not using an embellishment this tier?
mighty valley
we are, why would we not
sleek current
Duskweave or Dawnthread.
past cobalt
idk, there aren't any on the thing on Wowhead
bleak stream
lightning/thunder procs the additional charge, yeah?
sleek current
idk, there aren't any on the thing on Wowhead
It's under BiS Gear
muted arch
btw does anyone know if exhaust vents are still overlapping with crescendo in stonevault?
pallid quiver
why are 10s such a fucking struggle bus
I haven't even gotten a +10 key yet
pallid quiver
btw does anyone know if exhaust vents are still overlapping with crescendo in st...
There should've been a hotfix for that a few weeks back iirc
muted arch
why are 10s such a fucking struggle bus
theyre not, youre just running with scrubs
chilly brook
I haven't even gotten a +10 key yet
Like it's not even me struggling to stay alive, it's people not doing damage or not doing things properly
inner wren
10s are chill
sleek current
why are 10s such a fucking struggle bus
I was living life through a +10 SoB earlier when the entire party died +2 to the spotters because they bugged.
delicate karma
quick question, how high should my overall uptime of ignore pain be ?
pallid quiver
Like it's not even me struggling to stay alive, it's people not doing damage or ...
Same in every single key I've done
muted arch
There should've been a hotfix for that a few weeks back iirc
there was but then it came back
chilly brook
theyre not, youre just running with scrubs
I can only do so much when pugging unfortunately
muted arch
bricked my key a couple days ago
pallid quiver
quick question, how high should my overall uptime of ignore pain be ?
Not a worthwhile metric, because it varies entirely on damage profile of encounters
inner wren
pugs are always a scam
mighty valley
10s are a big jump from 9s and people want to do them for the vault slot
muted arch
I can only do so much when pugging unfortunately
if you fell behind in IO early on you have to slowly struggle your way up the ranks
pallid quiver
CPM is more of note, since you mostly utilize IP as an oGCD rage dump
chilly brook
10s are a big jump from 9s and people want to do them for the vault slot
You have to
muted arch
til you get invited to groups that arent dog
chilly brook
if you fell behind in IO early on you have to slowly struggle your way up the ra...
I wasn't behind until recently but people couldn't time 10s no matter how much I spammed
mighty valley
that's what i mean, in seasons past the rewards stopped scaling before the key difficulty jumped
chilly brook
So now I'm def behind
muted arch
i think anyone below 2.5k is a massive gamble
mighty valley
plus they're harder to carry with the cast stop change
muted arch
im actually surprised they didnt drop max vault rewards to 9s this week
with all the backlash
chilly brook
This is legit the least enjoyable season I've played since the start of M+
pallid quiver
This is legit the least enjoyable season I've played since the start of M+
The only issue I've had is that people as a whole have been notably more toxic than other expacs I've played
muted arch
cuz the key level squish has confused people
and so u have people who have no business doing certain levels trying them
chilly brook
make ur own key and only invite high io players for 10s
doesn't do me any good when I only get the same 2 keys
inner wren
ok
pallid quiver
I get sent to GB or Siege pretty much always
There's a dungeon I've yet to even enter since I only ever run my own key
I think it's Echoes, off the top of my head
terse hollow
coming to the end of day 4 since i switched to the warrior, was hoping to push more keys than this before reset but chose to do a no leaver 10 instead that ate some time, actually felt it was doable but ya know 40 dps deaths is a thing haha hopefully get caught up a bit on this reset. Got queen heroic to kill now so probably as fa as ill get 😦 i can actually see now why we have all the 10s hate those things are a bit yikes
swift veldt
Hello, i've recently decided to try prot warri and i have some questions as the only tank i've played was guardian on higher stuff xD First of all, its my 1st week on war, done some t8 delves and killed lfr Ansurek so i can craft 1 619 item without issue, should i go for 1h or shield i can craft both so i guess shield is more important to go higher ? And 2nd question as im used to play classes with less buttons tbh, is it safe to always use ignore pain + shield slam macro? Or its too risky and i should use them separetly? And third question, is spell reflect that big of the deal so i could memorize what i can reflect as a tank or can i find some weakauras for when to click reflect?
winged oar
karmic plinth
Hello, i've recently decided to try prot warri and i have some questions as the ...
you should only macro shield slam onto your ignore pain bind but never macro ignore pain onto your shield slam bind - this is not to save keybinds but to allow you to gcd snipe shield slam when it resets
karmic plinth
youre better off memorising what you can reflect from the sheet but otherwise its safe to send it its a 20s cd
muted arch
you should only macro shield slam onto your ignore pain bind but never macro ign...
what benefit is there to that?
chilly brook
what benefit is there to that?
he explained it
but so you snipe SS resets while also sending IP if that was your intent
since you can get back to back resets
muted arch
yeah but idk that seems really bad to me
chilly brook
it's not
jagged gust
I used to think so too
muted arch
cuz you might want to do something other than shield slam
lusty grotto
devastator procs SS
jagged gust
you really dont notice it
muted arch
with that gcd lol
lusty grotto
you dont use it to shield slam
chilly brook
cuz you might want to do something other than shield slam
no you wouldn't
lusty grotto
you use it to IP
muted arch
wym no u wouldnt lol
lusty grotto
and there's not a lot of GCDs that are as important as shield slam
pallid quiver
if you press it off the GCD, it won't even use it, anyway
chilly brook
Exactly what I said
muted arch
yeah but like, you're wrong
pallid quiver
So like, the only time that issue comes up is if you want to cast SS
lusty grotto
whos wrong?
jagged gust
worst case ontario you'll accidentally hit a SS when you wanted to stun something
lusty grotto
so like what
proper veldt
Hmm I got the Sureki neck in vault at 626 or a mythic track skarmorak shard 🤔 I only do m+. Is the neck good for us?
lusty grotto
lol ok
chilly brook
Ah yes
chilly brook
theoretical problems that don't happen
pallid quiver
and press the stun instead
jagged gust
Trust us when we as a community all use the macro and that situation really doesn't happen
pallid quiver
Again, if you press the keybind while the GCD is ticking, it won't ever cast SS, since SS is on the GCD
lusty grotto
☝️
pallid quiver
So you just continue to press it oGCD as before, but if you need to spam out IP and catch SS while doing so, that's what the macro is for
chilly brook
Hmm I got the Sureki neck in vault at 626 or a mythic track skarmorak shard 🤔 I...
Short answer yes
pallid quiver
It'll automatically parse the keybind for you
lusty grotto
its especially useful in high haste scenarios like lust
chilly brook
long answer massive haste neck so definitely yes, and also the proc is nice
neck is basically BiS for everyone
edgy bone
How good is mad queen's mandate
pallid quiver
You shouldn't be pressing IP if there's a GCD to press in the first place, so the macro just makes it so you can without clipping your GCD
jagged gust
staggering your GCD and oGCD really works wonders
proper veldt
long answer massive haste neck so definitely yes, and also the proc is nice
thanks
edgy bone
Choose two:
- 626 Mad Queen's Mandate
- 639 Larynx
- 626 Sacbrood
muted arch
idk, this just seems really bad to me
muted arch
you can just press SS and IP at the same time
lusty grotto
in fact
edgy bone
idk, this just seems really bad to me
dude you sound like a neckbeard
lusty grotto
i use it on both IP and SS
edgy bone
know it all neckbeard vibes
lusty grotto
because i like eating procs
edgy bone
link your raider io
jagged gust
**__Choose two:__**
- 626 Mad Queen's Mandate
- 639 Larynx
- 626 Sacbrood
hard to turn down layrnx if it's gaining you crests
pallid quiver
you can just press SS and IP at the same time
That's what the bind does, so yes, you can in fact just press both binds at once
chilly brook
you can just press SS and IP at the same time
or you could just use the macro on your IP and lose literally nothing and potentially gain a couple extra shield slams
pallid quiver
I don't use the macro myself because I just press both binds at once on my MMO mouse
swift veldt
I was using that macro since day 1 but asked it cause there's a lot to click on prot warri and i was afraid i'd dump rage into ignore pain which will lead to not casting shield block and dying xD Need to practice this cause warri seems kind of overwhelming for me. Also i've used showtooltip for slam on this macro and even as IP is first it glows with the proc of SS from devastator
lusty grotto
I was using that macro since day 1 but asked it cause there's a lot to click on ...
youre using it incorrectly
from what youre saying
muted arch
dude you sound like a neckbeard
having an opinion makes you a know it all neckbeard lol? im not saying others shouldnt use it, do what you want, just feels off to me
lusty grotto
again its not used to shield slam
edgy bone
having an opinion makes you a know it all neckbeard lol? im not saying others sh...
Link your r.io
If you're gonna tell people theyre wrong
^ that's you
muted arch
bro, your discord banner is a shirtless banner, you're screaming dbag rn
edgy bone
I am a dbag
muted arch
relax a bit
pallid quiver
having an opinion makes you a know it all neckbeard lol? im not saying others sh...
Most people don't use two fingers to press their binds at the same time, so it's used to help automate that, since normal use case for IP is off the GCD, so you don't run into any issues
edgy bone
and Nimchip is one of the most knowledgeable and best prot warriors in here
chilly brook
having an opinion makes you a know it all neckbeard lol? im not saying others sh...
I guess Nom is wrong
chilly brook
Time for haladin theorycrafter I guess
proper veldt
Would this be the macro we should use?
#showtooltip Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Ignore Pain
pallid quiver
Would this be the macro we should use?
#showtooltip Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Sl...
other way around
blazing condor
other way around
pallid quiver
IP first
proper veldt
ok thanks
blazing condor
otherwise you just cast shield slam lol
edgy bone
I'm guessing if Haladin links his raider.io, I'll go back and find out he's played prot warrior max 3 seasons and started in dragonflight
Whereas most of the people in here have played prot for thousands of hours over the better part of a decade
pallid quiver
you can just press SS and IP at the same time
At any rate, as long as you're doing this, the macro won't really do anything for you
edgy bone
It's not about score
muted arch
At any rate, as long as you're doing this, the macro won't really do anything fo...
what i was thinking
blazing condor
cus obviously score = skill
edgy bone
I want to know how many years he's played prot
chilly brook
erga come carry me
sweet summit
why is that relevant?
chilly brook
I need less brainlets in my keys
blazing condor
quality > quantity
edgy bone
why is that relevant?
Because experience is king
sweet summit
I need less brainlets in my keys
yeah but you're NA
blazing condor
if you were a top tier pwarr in legion it's not gonna be anything like playing pwarr today
chilly brook
pallid quiver
what i was thinking
You can kinda ignore a lot of the shit slinging coming at you at the immediate point, since you should be generally fine
blazing condor
rather someone who was a degen pwarr for 10,000 hours in DF
sweet summit
yeah so we're just having a bad-faith argument
pallid quiver
if you were a top tier pwarr in legion it's not gonna be anything like playing p...
Legion P War faster iiirc
muted arch
the play just feels clunky to me, i can think of plenty of situations where i dont wan't ignore pain to cast SS
lyric nest
blazing condor
gotta slam them no CD shield slams
lyric nest
good start to my prot warrior journey?
pallid quiver
The main issue is that those realistically don't come up, since you press IP while the GCD is rolling, so it physically can't cast Shield Slam
jagged gust
the play just feels clunky to me, i can think of plenty of situations where i do...
then don't use it, and dont talk about it. Like you've been told it's a good idea, you disagree, you're not gonna change anyone's mind and you're not gonna change yours.
topic done
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
It that issue ever comes up, you're prioritizing the wrong things
sweet summit
personally i don't use that macro
muted arch
not trying to change anyones mind, its just a conversation mate
whats got you bugging lol
blazing condor
people really need to learn that they are allowed to play the game however the fuck they want
and that goes for both ppl arguing
no need to tell others how to play
jagged gust
dog vs rat, whos the goodest boy
sweet summit
idk i feel like this chat has been very hostile lately, idk if that's just me coming back from a long break or what
blazing condor
its been going that way for a while
pallid quiver
people really need to learn that they are allowed to play the game however the f...
no, only my way is optimal
The only way to play the game is to attempt to catch as much degenerate RP in the act as possible in the Deeprun Tram, thank you
karmic plinth
happens at the start of an expac
jagged gust
Well with Jordan gone, there was a toxicity vacuum that had to be filled
we're inside the bubble rn
lusty grotto
@waxen frigate can you say something about erga's mom
late wasp
Rodman?
pallid quiver
idk i feel like this chat has been very hostile lately, idk if that's just me co...
Honestly, kinda agree; it's just been getting toxic over time. It's actually chilled a bit recently, if that makes you feel anything.
blazing condor
ppl just angy
world is shit and everything costs too much
ppl come home and are frustrated
jagged pier
idk i feel like this chat has been very hostile lately, idk if that's just me co...
nah its gotten worse, but the whole wow ocmmunity has gotten worse
so
sweet summit
like, no one is forcing you to post here and if you can't treat people with respect then maybe don't send messages ?
jagged gust
ppl just angy
If I don't vent on the internet I'm gonna cap my rage irl
lusty grotto
time to start a song
pallid quiver
Jakey said my overall thoughts
lusty grotto
we didnt start the fire...
sweet summit
nah its gotten worse, but the whole wow ocmmunity has gotten worse
be the change you want to see
blazing condor
give me the change you have in your pockets
jagged pier
be the change you want to see
i am actively trying
pallid quiver
jakey's generally pretty civil, and nicer than he's been prior
sweet summit
give me the change you have in your pockets
no one carries change anymore old man...
pallid quiver
So he is, in fact, trying
lusty grotto
erga i hope youre not talking about me, you should know im nice until i get fucking challenged
sweet summit
google debit card 
blazing condor
no one carries change anymore old man...
tropic tangle
dog4prez he's still living in simpler times
molten gorge
having an opinion makes you a know it all neckbeard lol? im not saying others sh...
lad fr half the people who talk in here all the time are cringe af, don't take any notice
pallid quiver
jakey's life is made hard by people who come in, provide a log, and then just lie about what the log says
muted arch
gotta learn to also be nice when you are challenged
jagged gust
nah its gotten worse, but the whole wow ocmmunity has gotten worse
There's literally a downvote bot on wow reddit forums made with the express intent to cause friction between posters
pallid quiver
And when they get fact checked, they get aggressively defensive about it
lusty grotto
post the gif
sweet summit
erga i hope youre not talking about me, you should know im nice until i get fuck...
i haven't taken notes so idk who specifically, i just remember poping in sometimes and reading some stuff i'm not a big fan of seeing here
jagged pier
jakey's life is made hard by people who come in, provide a log, and then just li...
nah 99% of the time they dont even post the log still waiting for ones from DF
pallid quiver
nah 99% of the time they dont even post the log still waiting for ones from DF
True, but I'm referencing specific recent events where they did attempt to provide a log
lusty grotto
member meme fridays?
pallid quiver
but then the above happened