protection

[tulip oar]

Early shadowlands that boss would spam cast necrobolt on the tank. Pretty sure it's a random.target now.

[lusty grotto]

no

its just the tank now

or still

[nocturne spindle]

is there a dragon skip or just invis pots

[merry sluice]

bruh AV bosses on my pally vs my warrior were two totally different fucking things.

First boss pally was diabolical at higher keys.

meanwhile trash was the exact opposite

i could go fucking psycho with the crystals as pally

[sick grotto]

think my group is running around with heal absorbs tho on the boss

[turbid shuttle]

It may also hit the tank but it 100% hits party members with necrotic bolts.

[sick grotto]

^ pretty sure this

[turbid shuttle]

I was shamefully proven wrong on this point in my group by my healer

[lusty grotto]

whoever thinks 2nd NW boss casts on different targets is wrong

[deft mortar]

No

It can literally one shot your mage

[sick grotto]

its only the boss that does the bolts? none of the adds do?

[twilit lagoon]

i basically just marked the way he explained 😄 didnt do it yet. and puull 10 is only played like that when pat is good, otherwise you split it. what do you mean with "Add 4 pack in cubby."?

[lusty grotto]

the adds volley

[merry sluice]

ngl, wasn't even aware the 2nd boss nw actually did tank dmg.
kidding kidding

[lusty grotto]

and cast on different targets

[sick grotto]

right

[lusty grotto]

yes

[turbid shuttle]

the adds frostbolt volley, not necrotic volley

[violet ginkgo]

but you usually use for the splice, since well it's damaging better reflect that than the root.

[sick grotto]

my dbm shouting defensive and im just laughing

[void wadi]

oh makes sense

[sick grotto]

meanwhile the rest of my party health is yoyoing for volleys and shit

[lusty grotto]

if necrotic bolts are hitting anyone other than you, youre probably doing something strange

because it literally hastn every single NW ive ran

and i can up all logs

[reef hazel]

Anyone got a decent pull order for the first area of NW, I feel whatever I do I'm just piecing together cringe pulls

[turbid shuttle]

or you're just wrong? lol

[sick grotto]

i swear i see heal absorbs on others

[nocturne spindle]

this is the route i actually follow

seems to work the best for pugs

[lusty grotto]

i dont do pull 14

[steady moth]

nah it hits random targets, the targeting counts as the dragon that hits you

[lusty grotto]

i pull the big guy

[lusty grotto]

but yeah its similar

[onyx sandal]

I thought it was recommended to skip 22

[nocturne spindle]

i mean its not like its terrible pull

grim batol packs are kinda sketch doing big pulls in pugs

[lusty grotto]

oh do you mean the plater isnt updating with the correct target?

[nocturne spindle]

so honestly pretty much anything above like 2 guys is a fine pull

[turbid shuttle]

if you prefer one of your own (presumably this is you)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1kqYwMhD9R7AgmjZ#fight=1&type=damage-taken&pull=13&ability=320170

[void wadi]

any M+ routes working out best for u guys?

i mostly pug

[inner wren]

are servers up yet i need to look my vault and be disappointed

[lavish onyx]

Lol

[nocturne spindle]

oh

yea they are actually

neat

[tulip oar]

Hmm, strange. Had a healer complain people were getting smoked by em. Though this was also the healer that denied using the rock elemental taunted the cleave mob and wiped out our two melee dps.

[nocturne spindle]

SERVERS UP

POST SHIT VAULTS

[tulip oar]

So maybe he was just full of shit.

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess im wrong here if what Bubbleho is saying is true

[onyx sandal]

too early for vaults no

11 am ET minimum?

[nocturne spindle]

oh right

i always forget thats technically its own timer

[lusty grotto]

can just check logs and see anyway

[violet ginkgo]

I am more annoyed that we can't reflect or block this, though sure we can interupt.

[nocturne spindle]

my brain always just says vaults with server reset

[tulip oar]

Next time I do that fight I'll have to go back and look at detail logs.

[turbid shuttle]

I linked a log above

[inner wren]

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[twilit lagoon]

so when i skip last Drake and add G19 i miss even more %,

[sick grotto]

has anyone got a good route for grim looking to change mine

[nocturne spindle]

see above for puggy wugs

[turbid shuttle]

oh sorry I pull the 2 warlocks also. Didn't see them missing in your original route.

[sick grotto]

welp that settles it then necro bolt be nasty

[graceful kite]

2nd boss area depends on timing

[lusty grotto]

so there you go @tulip oar

[twilit lagoon]

ok thanks. would you play that 2 warlocks together with lavabender and g20? seems pretty hard for me or how would you set it up ?

[sick grotto]

@graceful kite oh you do the drake as well on pull 4 seems good for count

[turbid shuttle]

I do 2 warlocks with lavabender, personally, and it's worked up to 11, but I think I'm going to change it up soon here.

[nocturne spindle]

ascendent in bigger pulls is very heal check so

be warned if pugs

[graceful kite]

yea it does nothing and there are like 3 corners in melee range

[sick grotto]

yeah its free af they dont feel super tanky either

the pillars on the bridge easy los

[graceful kite]

pack I pull with 1st boss I'm not sure if overseer's buff works on him so I pull boss once/when overseers are dead

[sick grotto]

yeah i got no idea my group was talking about it as well

[graceful kite]

usually there are just casters left

[lusty grotto]

i do that same exact route txr

[sick grotto]

trying to keep overseer alive

for dmg

[graceful kite]

My last 20+ gbs were 7-8-9s but I did same things in 10s

[lusty grotto]

not a lot of variation on that dungeon anyway

[graceful kite]

good thing is to bl right at start once drake and first pack ome togeghter

[sick grotto]

10s and 11s dps still tank the drake knockbacks

[steady moth]

yeah, might plater or just terrible Blizzard coding count the boss as 2 separate targest, rider and dragon, i thought the same thing and wasn't kicking and then starting kicking bolts and was a free boss

[sick grotto]

dps life must be good

[graceful kite]

after that we use bl for warlock+lavabender+2mobs on the left

[tulip oar]

So it is random?

[lusty grotto]

yup, ty for mentioning this

[graceful kite]

and it cds right around pulling/midfight with last boss

[lusty grotto]

yes

i was wrong about it

[tulip oar]

Ok I'm not crazy.

[lusty grotto]

but mostly cause im watching plater casts

[tulip oar]

Lol

Yeah, I know the Dragon part is always targeting you.

[graceful kite]

it hits random targets I'm 100% sure

[sick grotto]

group was flaming me for shooting db orbs into a wall and im like, im a tank your cooked we dont get selected

[tulip oar]

The caster "in" the vehicle is why it's all weird looking.

[sick grotto]

classic plater casts

[lusty grotto]

yes, confirmed

[graceful kite]

boss always targets you but bolts are casted to a random person in your party (can be you)

there's also a bug that still exists

[lusty grotto]

[graceful kite]

if you interrupt bolt after 50% casttime it will be casted anyway

[sick grotto]

wtf

aint no way

[graceful kite]

so interrupt it asap

[tulip oar]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a healer wa to track that.

[tribal wharf]

you can have plater display who the monster is casting the spell on

[graceful kite]

yea 100% sure about that too

[sick grotto]

thats cooked

[graceful kite]

I thought they fixed it but did nw this week and same shit still

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

nahhhh thats fake newe

news

cuz

[graceful kite]

you interrupt it in the last 3rd of its cast it shows up as interrupted on nameplate and omnicd but still goes off

[tribal wharf]

8 hours of server downtime

typical blizzard tuesday

[lusty grotto]

that was a thing in SL txr lol

fucking wild its still happening

[sick grotto]

your still able to pull through fake walls and shit as well

blizzard just dont give a fuck

[lusty grotto]

luckily pugs dont believe in late kicks

🙂

[graceful kite]

I was tlaking about that actually a couple of weeks ago and I think you were chatting here at that time

[violet ginkgo]

The thing is server already up, but someone at fury channel said this is the first time blizz finish maintenance before the actual weekly reset hour. So ppl got no vault yet, maybe in about 15 mins.

[sick grotto]

they don't believe in kicks at all

[graceful kite]

that it was a sl bug and sitll not fixed

[sick grotto]

take it off your hotbar

[graceful kite]

good thing I'm not doing nw anymore

slam 8 mists for weekly

[sick grotto]

i hate that dungeon

the 3rd boss is still ass

on higher keys

[graceful kite]

I like siege more than nw honestly

[lime mantle]

Potato infrastructure please understand 😔

Quick question; with the tunning. more than anything the colossus buffs, is the disparaity between thane and colossus sorta bridged or thane is still superior?

I assume nothing changes but I am not sure, I did look up on the recent messages and pins but didn't see anything.

[sick grotto]

yeah i agree

[graceful kite]

and I really don't like siege

[sick grotto]

give me a siege any day of the week over nw

[graceful kite]

Btw psa for your group you can los bellows and hooks

[lusty grotto]

in what way

[lime mantle]

"Am I griefing 4 people by going colossus" way

[lone hearth]

NW is so free

[sick grotto]

raiders have to be the most trash mob i have ever seen

[lusty grotto]

youre never griefing 4 people by playing it

unless if youre pushing 14s

[sick grotto]

stupid amounts of hp and random pull ins into overlapping aoe

[graceful kite]

if you fuck up in other dungeons you can time it still/untime and complete

if you fuck up 3rd nw boss people leave

[lusty grotto]

both hero specs got buffed, but they aren't massive

[tulip oar]

Has anyone done a 14 yet?

[sick grotto]

i think groups have done

[lusty grotto]

colossus didnt become immune to damage by that buff

so take it as that

[tropic linden]

Spears being 1 time is rough

[lime mantle]

I am not but I was unsure how big the gap between both was, since I didn't really give colossus a chance (didn't look as fun)

[lusty grotto]

plenty of people

[tulip oar]

Season 1 I think 15 will be the max. Season 2 will most likely be 20.

[graceful kite]

I'd actually be fine if they introduced a mechanic that if you deplete nw you can spawn new weapons with elementals

that reset your lust

just so people can complete stuff and get their vault

[sick grotto]

the one run at the 3rd boss and its bricked

[lone hearth]

They need to bring bwamsamdi buff back

[graceful kite]

I think in bfa they made bwonsamdi buffs if you depleted a key

yea yea

[sick grotto]

if your group does something stupid like hook xalatath affix

[lone hearth]

whem you brick a key

[lusty grotto]

i recommend giving it a whirl if youre still farming items from keys, and since youre likely to be doing lower keys for those like 7s, youll be fine

i was running it on 7-9s to farm certain pieces and it was fun

better to change it up too when youre spamming siege or stonevault for boots/ring and cloak/neck

the buff wont make you unkillable though

again

its nice to have

but its defensiveness isn't massively increased by just that

[lime mantle]

👍 I will! I just didn't want to join a key and aggressively troll them with something that just has horrible numbers because I didn't even bother asking in case 🙂

Thank you!

[onyx sandal]

can always troll your own key

[lusty grotto]

you wont troll as colossus

its not a glass cannon

just because its slightly defensive doesnt mean it crumbles when someone farts in their general direction

as long as you do basic warrior play correctly (keeping SB up), its fine

[unkempt hazel]

[lime mantle]

Thank you! Time to go deplete stranger's keys (unrelated to colossus, I am just personally bad at games)

[unkempt hazel]

yo same

🤝

[sick grotto]

yo what savage put this as a emote this thing haunts me

animal slash big pain

[merry sluice]

animal slash...

[onyx matrix]

Ew shadowlands!

Ew ew ew ew ew!!!!

[sick grotto]

im a bit of a monkey fair name tbh

[merry sluice]

as a bdk warrior gamer

[violet ginkgo]

big pain that you can reflect back

[merry sluice]

anima slash means NOTHING TO ME

[onyx matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-898242961730413211

[sick grotto]

welp vault bit dissapointing

[velvet knot]

Boots right?

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

only thing worth going for

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-new-girl-got-to-go-time-look-at-the-time-gif-5688954

its vault day

[velvet knot]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[tropic tangle]

ez, baited the game into giving me a shield by using my first spark on a shield

[lusty grotto]

[sick grotto]

oof

[tropic tangle]

didn't waste any crests tho

🙂

[sick grotto]

fucking sureki showing up in my vault again that shit taunting me

[lusty grotto]

but also

[velvet knot]

should i take myth track shield even if i have a 636 crafted shield?

[lusty grotto]

its not a big deal, those sparks will end up burning a hole in your bags soon enough anyway

[jagged pier]

but thats a max rank shield

[sick grotto]

they already are

[velvet knot]

its 3 ilvls

[tropic tangle]

shield is your most impactful defensive item

[lusty grotto]

yes, it is

[tropic tangle]

your call

[sick grotto]

done and dusted slot

[lusty grotto]

are you gonna get that block elsewhere?

[sick grotto]

call it day

pack

up

[tropic tangle]

I mean

[velvet knot]

is 3 ilvls on shield /that/ important when i have 610 champion boots? I already have a 636 crafted shield.

[tropic tangle]

if you craft a 636 weapon, at least you won't really have to waste crests

[jagged pier]

there literally a reason why we said dont craft a shield if u get easy access to myth track items

[lusty grotto]

yes

[tropic tangle]

it's just the extra 15 to upgrade

[jagged pier]

the 3 ilvls is more improtant because of block

[lusty grotto]

congrats you dont have to open the vault as prot loot spec anymore 😉

for the rest of the season

[velvet knot]

till need a 1h v.v

[jagged pier]

fury

[velvet knot]

Still *

[lusty grotto]

open as fury

[jagged pier]

for that

[velvet knot]

fury will just give me 2hs

[lusty grotto]

and 1hs

[velvet knot]

my last vault had 2h weapons as fury

[sick grotto]

fury and you could get a khadros

big pog

[tropic tangle]

funny enough, my other myth track option was a weapon

[tulip remnant]

Fury gives 1 hand weapons

[velvet knot]

2/3 of my vault slots last week were 2h weapons as fury aaa

it sucked

[jagged pier]

because it can drop both

[steady moth]

bless

[jagged pier]

[velvet knot]

🙏

Alright i'll take the shield.

[sick grotto]

aint no fucking way

naisu

[merry sluice]

lets be disappointed with my vault

time to log in

[tropic tangle]

I mean fellas, you all need to be thanking @inner wren for blessing these vaults an hour ago

[lusty grotto]

im opening later

[sick grotto]

mines ass

[velvet knot]

So craft 636 belt for new duskthread?

[jagged pier]

im opening tomorrow

[smoky anvil]

i wish u good loot and stabl connec)

[inner wren]

how good is packstone

[velvet knot]

garbo

[jagged pier]

bis neck, myth tier yer real bad

[sick grotto]

yeah horrible

[jagged pier]

good ring

[slender wedge]

sry for asking should i take, neck for myth track or hero cloak?

[sick grotto]

i mean sure but the necks hero track

big oof

[jagged pier]

the only neck better that is the myth version of that neck

[sick grotto]

yeah i could get lucky on the boss tho

right

[inner wren]

[smoky anvil]

It has a metric fuckton of haste, it’s lit

[sick grotto]

right

yeah im probs nuts not to take it but its not a perm piece kinda feels a lil bad

[jagged pier]

it is a perma piece

are u raiding mythic?

[tulip remnant]

This man hates his healers.

[tropic tangle]

perma until you clear first 4

[sick grotto]

yeah ill smash first 4 well try to

[orchid mural]

I need help with this one ... hands or trinket guys?

[sick grotto]

you got the skarm shard

[jagged pier]

[sick grotto]

fuck man

[jagged pier]

just fucking sim

[sick grotto]

yee

[tulip remnant]

I pick off of Vibes and don’t show my vault so no one can make Fun of me

[lusty grotto]

wheres the "just sim" gif

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[inner wren]

i just close my eyes and jiggle my mouse a little bit

[lusty grotto]

hell yeah sim yourself, also treat yourself as well 😉

[tall mural]

17ilevel upgrade myth track helmet (non-tier that I can transform) or myth track Spare Meat Hook?

I have myth track sacblood already

[tulip remnant]

Last week I just took my tier shoulders from Veteran to Hero.

[inner wren]

can u guys stop simming yourself so i can sim myself

[slender wedge]

hero back, or myth track neck :(. neck without haste is trash?

[nocturne spindle]

BLESSED BE THE LOOT

[jagged pier]

I endorse this message

[sick grotto]

Myth track sac no one likes a show off mate

[merry sluice]

dw my bdk also got myth track sac

we uhh

[sick grotto]

Alright im done

[merry sluice]

dont talk about my warrior's...

[jagged pier]

necks garbage take cloak

and not replac eit

[inner wren]

aight time to go play d4 instead this game is trash

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

fuck

i gotta redo my arms and fury sims

[smoky anvil]

https://imgflip.com/i/9616xo

[lusty grotto]

because merc egg is sim bait

without a light movement sim

as dps

was scratching my head this week on my champion's merc egg outsimming shit on those specs

and everytime i forgot to check for that cause adhd lul

[jagged pier]

nice one wowhead

[lusty grotto]

yeah but

WELCOME TO AFFLICTED 2.0

[jagged pier]

we get crit

[lusty grotto]

yeah at the very least

[sweet egret]

is the sim any good for prot warr?

[lusty grotto]

always

[jagged pier]

yer its great if u use it correctly

[neon elk]

Boses are harderr cuz u bl packs ? 5head move by wowhead

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

lol

hes right

read it

[jagged pier]

ppl bl trash in dungeons last week

[lusty grotto]

ahahaha

[jagged pier]

anyways

[lusty grotto]

wowhead copy pasted or something

[neon elk]

Those were 10s + , this post is clearly not for 10s

[sweet egret]

is dungeon slice 5 min correctly?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[next burrow]

IF i got a myth 1h, but already crafted the omen 636, the 1h myth doesnt affect the shield upgrades right?

[dull vine]

Opinions?
Cloak for defensive? Mythic pants? Mythic ring what sims better?

[stone cradle]

please help sirs. just started gearing my pwar.
i have no tier, darkmoon trinket, 590 or below on all items except weapon (not shield). do i just pick the biggest ilvl upgrade or?

[dull vine]

No

Only 2H affects

[sweet egret]

I am only interested in m+ so what should I sim for to be more correct then?

[lusty grotto]

5 target patchwerk 1 min or 1.5 mins

[jagged pier]

really

u should only sim for ST

as our aoe is fine

its our ST which is the issue

[jagged pier]

and pretty much 99% of the time if its better for ST its better for aoe

[dark cosmos]

my haste is juiced and today is a good day

[sinful light]

What are you guys thinking? neck or ring

[fleet parcel]

Is this shit any good?
https://i.imgur.com/9Uk9EX5.png

[sinful light]

this detacable fang is simming higher than everything else

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[dark cosmos]

i have a hard time not picking my 1 myth item per week

[shell fox]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

help

[jagged pier]

its great on ST if theres anything else its bad

[sick grotto]

Fang is good only in single target

Its dog in m+

[jagged pier]

transmitter

can ppl please sim

then ask if your still confused

[inner wren]

I’m about to rage pick pack stone

[jagged pier]

just spamming vault pictures is very annoying

[forest lodge]

this thing any good?

[edgy bone]

Is 30% or 40% the breakpoint for diminishing returns on a secondary stat?

I get diminishing returns after 30% haste or is it 40%?

[jagged pier]

30% but we dont care until 40%

[jagged pier]

not really

[sick grotto]

Refracting isnt a great defensive trink

Swarmlords is better even then its eh

[shell fox]

:T

[dark cosmos]

gang

[jagged pier]

i mean its better than 1 of your trinkets

[sick grotto]

Is this the affix week where we can do nothing

[forest lodge]

Yeah thats what I have right now, 33% haste atm.

[sick grotto]

Devour

[jagged pier]

i bet IV will heal it

[elder bay]

is a Hero void pactstone worth it?

[dark cosmos]

i aint changing trinks excedpt maybe raid trinks

[shell fox]

swamlord protected me so hard

[jagged pier]

or LS

[dark cosmos]

swarmlord JUICED sacbrood JUICED haste JUICED go next

[jagged pier]

it didnt but okay u believe that

[neon elk]

Should i trust sims with my stats ? Cuz sims still tells me crit/haste even tho i have like 2k vers/mastery only

[spiral compass]

i got 623 skarms trinket in vault i’m using egg from arakara and and some garbage goblet trinket is it worth taking to replace

my guilds gonna let me bring in my prot for heroic clears and early mythic bosses now

i’ll get swarm lord

[graceful kite]

yes

[jagged pier]

@lusty grotto i cba good luck

[sick grotto]

Crits very good defensive and offensive stat

[somber citrus]

623 mythic track legs or 626 max hero ring of poisoned pack?

[graceful kite]

its a dispel mechanic

so who cares about healing it

[forest lodge]

this is the other trinket Im using too, not sure if I should switch it out for refracting then?

[spiral compass]

anyone

[graceful kite]

every stat is good

[sinful light]

uhhh is my shit glitched out or does this say tyrannical and fortified?

[sick grotto]

Thats normal for a 10

[shell fox]

both now

[sick grotto]

10 and above is both

[sinful light]

guess i missed that last week rofl

[neon elk]

Thats why im confused why 2 stats of which i have 10 times more are still siming better xd

[jagged pier]

From the article it says dispelled or healing applied not absorbs

Ls technically does heal u

[sick grotto]

Ls wont be up enough

Wonder how much u need to heal

[jagged pier]

How do we know?

U done a key?

[shell fox]

im scared to sim tank because i dont know

sometimes i dont want damage

[sick grotto]

Uhh other affixes are happening every 40 secs or so

[jagged pier]

U have enough survivability from your top simming gear

[dark cosmos]

just another tuesday

[sick grotto]

And its been consistent?

[jagged pier]

Because survivbility comes from play

Not gear

[shell fox]

whats the addon to sim

[sick grotto]

Yeah its nuts in here my first time

[shell fox]

and the website?

[sick grotto]

Raidbots

[shell fox]

i was dps so long ago

[sleek sun]

Anyone have that big picture of trinket sims?

[merry sluice]

sacbrood sims are fucked right?

bc its giga under my heroic sikrans lol

[jagged pier]

I mean its still huge

[shell fox]

whats the name of the addon?

simcraft?

[sick grotto]

Simcraft yeh

[shell fox]

nope

[jagged pier]

But i believe its alwyas on full stacks in sim and by believe im guessing

[sick grotto]

Depends how long u simmed for as well i guess

[shell fox]

!sims

!sim

[twilit lagoon]

my prot warr is a new char and i wanna gear as fast as possible. pretending i dont have a good weapon/shield yet, how would you spent your crests on crafts?
just spent the "low" crests to craft weapon and shield on 619ilevel just to have them early? or play with shit weapon/shield and wait until i can craft 636 weapon/shield?

[inner wren]

Pacstone is only 2k less dps than equivalent ilvl skarm shard on st but I’m guessing the burst value in m+ is much more useful

[deft mortar]

fkn cant see the circles at giga low graphics on my side monitor when doing city of threads

God I hate that puzzle dogshit they also had that in court of stars

just let me pull a damn pack

[digital sandal]

Yooo, What is haste cap and is it worth running into the fray? im currenty at 30% (16k)

[shell fox]

kk i got the addon and the website

[violet ginkgo]

@jagged pier I need vault insight may I?
So basically my wrist is 606 haste/vers (lfr track) So grabbing this wrist (Haste/Mast) among all of those 9 is the most sensible but Originally I planned to craft 619 this week with (Haste/Crit)

Should I just stick to the plan on crafting wrist and take socket from vault or just take this wrist?

[shell fox]

what do I sim as tank

[forest lodge]

Which two would you guys use for m+ and raiding?

[shell fox]

top gear right?

[graceful kite]

Whatever sims best

[restive plaza]

which one would y'all take? I've got hero shoulders, a myth sacbrood and a waning candle champion

[lusty grotto]

yeah sacbrood sims way low for me

[digital sandal]

personally i'd take authority and a sacbrood

[lusty grotto]

idk why people want it so much

[forest lodge]

Thats the thing, refracting simmed the best over swarmlord, but some folks here say swarmlord is better.

[shell fox]

so first time sim'ing as tank... can anyone tell me what do I choose here?

[lusty grotto]

jakey said those options are fine but

i like simming for 5 target patchwerk 1 min / 1.5 mins for M+

so

either is fine

[violet ginkgo]

They want Some Haste also I saw you here Nim, I'd like some vault insight too if you are free?

[shell fox]

im dps in raid so

[lusty grotto]

1 boss 5 mins (or 3 mins) is an ST sim

[shell fox]

thanks.

[inner wren]

I really don’t like swarmlords very much on war

[soft tusk]

Mythic tier or Mythic 1h?

[lusty grotto]

nay!

[spiral compass]

Is this week a right off for prot warrs with the new affix or is my brother busting them

[merry sluice]

hmm yeah i tried simming a way longer fight, both 1 target and 5 target
and at best its on par with my heroic sikrans

and at worse significantly below myh tier hands

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats why i havent bothered farming it

fuck it have mandate

🙂

[somber citrus]

mythic tier legs or queen ring max hero tier?

[lusty grotto]

WAIT

HOLD UP

a YOGI

[merry sluice]

guess its just a hands angle and shrug it off

YO WAIT

A NEW YOGI

[inner wren]

Yogi dopple

Holy

[elder bay]

pactstone is simming higher for me than skarmorak that is why I wasn't sure since everyone is saying Skarmorak

[lusty grotto]

😮

[merry sluice]

@tribal wharf yooo

[violet ginkgo]

oof anyway, plz halp me 🙏 #protection message

[inner wren]

I was told pactstone is bad in here but sims look pretty good

[elder bay]

yea that is why I thought to ask bc of the conflicting information

[inner wren]

Any megabrain got some input on pactstone

[violet ginkgo]

I lean toward queen ring.

[empty spindle]

okay i got a spare spark now

[somber citrus]

kinda how im leaning, i think i clear queen and see if i get lucky and if not i take it

[empty spindle]

for prot is it better to craft a max ilvl wep or shield

[shell fox]

oh no, i will lose my son (silk trinket tank)

[elder bay]

or is it the block value you get from the mastery on skarmorak that makes the difference? over the pactstone

[soft tusk]

it's so majestic

[spiral compass]

@elder bay i got the same two trinket sin my vault

lmao

[rough quest]

is this right or am i just dumb?

[shell fox]

lol

[elder bay]

and its tough right? pactstone is simming higher for me

[spiral compass]

I have no idea what to take

which is more defensive value

[muted arch]

would u guys go weapon or trink

dont have a mythic track wep yet but mythic raid

[worldly compass]

Do i ever need to switch to battle stance when tanking m+ or just better to stay in defensive stance all the time? (As a beginner)

[rough quest]

if you can do mythic raid, trink if not weapon

[soft tusk]

Do you do Mythic raiding?

[lusty grotto]

Also it's not because of haste, it's cause people follow rankings blindly

[muted arch]

ahaha yes

[lusty grotto]

But if you're serious, send it, provided you've simmed already

[spiral compass]

@elder bay idk if the defensive value from skarms is better for me for keys

[zealous goblet]

is it spark week this week? idr

[elder bay]

looking from a pure dps the pactstone does more

[toxic pewter]

anyone else not able to use a treatise book after reset

[dull vine]

yes, spark and catalyst week

[zealous goblet]

cool beans

[spiral compass]

Ya i’m getting into 12s now getting trucked i hot arakara egg and goblet garbage trinket i need to replace

@elder bay

[soft tusk]

surprisingly the mythic sword fares well with the mog

[elder bay]

defensively skarmorak with the mastery adds about 4% block value on use

[spiral compass]

@elder bay so maybe pact for dps is better

[tribal wharf]

i found the cursed youtube music play list

[lusty grotto]

Block value chance

[spiral compass]

I can’t get my prot warr into mythic raid for skarms i main bdk in raid

[inner wren]

think I might yolo take pact unless someone yells at me not to

[lusty grotto]

It's not block value

[elder bay]

simming it pact does about 2% more dps thank skarmorak

[lusty grotto]

Not the same thing

[spiral compass]

@lusty grotto so your saying pact

[lusty grotto]

Whatever sims best

[elder bay]

apologies block value chance. i know its a big difference

[spiral compass]

Ok @lusty grotto i thought it might help a bit in defensively in keys skarms but. i know nothing

I’ll go pact i guess forsure

[tribal wharf]

i dont think its perfect but i appreciate what you are trying to do

[elder bay]

@spiral compass I think I am pulling the trigger on pactstone based on sim

[tribal wharf]

i am very particular about transmog

[lusty grotto]

Too small of a contribution to factor in

[spiral compass]

@elder bay let’s get it bro

[sweet summit]

it's right, sim uses slot 13 first and 14 after the shared cooldown. but the difference there is negligible

[empty spindle]

Hey boys i got a spark but i dont mythic raid tank on my warrior so it might be sometime before i get a myth shield or sword. should i craft a sword first or shield?

[tawdry herald]

is our dungeon slice accurate rn?

[inner wren]

Pactstone rise up

[spiral compass]

@lusty grotto hopefully i get swarmlord there letting me clear heroic raid on my pwar now

[inner wren]

Shield

[empty spindle]

thank you

[soft aspen]

spear or thunderous roar ? or personal preference

[spiral compass]

Anyone done a 11-12 key yet is this affix rough on us

[tribal wharf]

hero talents

[lusty grotto]

why would it be rough

[tribal wharf]

and content

[lusty grotto]

its a healer affix

and a hybrid affix

wait

you said 11-12

12 doesnt have it

[drifting dagger]

Just do 12’s no affix

[spiral compass]

Just getting into 12s now

[drifting dagger]

That’s the big play

[spiral compass]

there rough

[inner wren]

Spoken like a true not 12er

[frosty mango]

do I take mythic weap or mythic shield from vault

[lusty grotto]

but why ask about the affix

[spiral compass]

I got confused i’m an idiot

that’s my bad

[lusty grotto]

i mean there's nothing you can do about it sub 12s if youre not dwarf

its giga crit though

which is 👍

[spiral compass]

@lusty grotto thank you sir you should be in payroll here man’s always on the grind helping

[soft aspen]

whats the affix even

[lusty grotto]

the kiss at least is better than last week

[soft aspen]

need to heal an ad or what

[lusty grotto]

afflicted 2.0

but on group

[plush tendon]

how do we feel about a myth track Rasha trinket?

[soft aspen]

sounds aids in high keys

[plush tendon]

[inner wren]

can you dwarf off the affix?

[lusty grotto]

should be able to

its a dispel

[neon elk]

Yea its dispelable by everything

[lusty grotto]

so

[inner wren]

nice

[neon elk]

Even bitter imun should work ( proly not worth)

[crude egret]

Anyone know offhand really quick Haste soft cap for prot?

[lusty grotto]

its afflicted 2.0 + grievous, kind of

[frosty mango]

my tiny brain tells me its probably not a number you can reach

[muted arch]

is crafting a ring good value or better on another slot?

[lusty grotto]

not something you should worry about, the first softcap is negligible since you still go for haste

but yes we have the numbers

[pallid quiver]

There's multiple, but none are worth considering since haste is still valued past those caps

I believe one hits once you get 40% haste from rating alone, iirc

[crude egret]

Thank you! Appreciate the answers!

[fierce skiff]

should i take a shield that is a bigger ilvl even with garbage stats?

[lusty grotto]

yes

there are no "garbage" stats

and ilvl > all on shield by far and wide

simply because of its block value

[runic hamlet]

I got a Mythic version of Throngus's Finger trinket in my vault but I have skarmorak shard and ara kara scbrood. I dont see anyone use throngu finger IS it any good for us prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

no

[plush tendon]

no

[lusty grotto]

its garbage

[plush tendon]

vers is poop (over prim stat on trinket)

[graceful kite]

no

[plush tendon]

and why you need dodge?

[runic hamlet]

TY!

[plush tendon]

you warrior

[graceful kite]

vers is good

trinket is bad

[plush tendon]

not over prim stat

[lusty grotto]

its because of the dodge

but yeah augusto is correct

[plush tendon]

I added a disclaimer

[runic hamlet]

wing of shattered sorrow is that our BIS cape rn?

[plush tendon]

vers is fine, but prim stat on trinket>vers

[whole cipher]

Good day everyone,

I have reviewed my logs, and unfortunately, I only average around 80. I would like to improve and achieve higher.

Could someone help me by taking a look at my logs and possibly telling me what I might be doing wrong?

Thank you very much!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D4bpdaHMFWw2jPRq

[lusty grotto]

there's no bis, depends on what youre comparing it to and what you can kill (i.e. can you kill rasha on mythic?)

if you can kill myth rasha

and got a hero one

you can ignore it

if you CANT kill myth rasha, and got it, you can pick it

[mighty valley]

Don't worry about m+ parse numbers, they don't really mean much. Having said that, this is the #1 thing you should work on

[small dove]

I know this is probably not even a question. What I would be replacing. I like the idea of the extra defensive cooldown for big hits

Is sacbrood worth taking over refracting?

[karmic plinth]

refracting is pretty awful

[lusty grotto]

depends on sim

but obviously it will outsim refracting

[runic hamlet]

TY

[soft tusk]

iLevel on shield matters.. but would a 3 ilevel difference with worse stats make a difference?

My shield. So if I get the Shield from M Ulgrax.. I can get it to 639 easily. Would that still be in upgrade from what I have?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[soft tusk]

u serious? lol

yikes

[whole cipher]

I Text you in a PM 🙂

[inner wren]

ilvl wins

[fierce skiff]

ok so i have a higher ilvl shield i could grab vs a BIS mythic+ weapon the SHipwreckers bludgeon which is also the same ilvl increase which would be the smarter take? shield still king due to block?

[inner wren]

are they both myth track?

[fierce skiff]

no i am not doing that high of content yet i is a baby war

[long berry]

i got a 616 wep and a 616 set piece (would be 1st set piece). should i go for the set piece or wep?

[teal laurel]

This vault makes me wanna punch myself in the face. it's either swarmgland or simply upgrading my set chest from champ track to hero track

[teal laurel]

I'd craft a weapon tbh

[long berry]

sweet!! set piece it is then 🥳 tysm

[lone hearth]

Take the tier piece and craft weapon

[long berry]

to craft a wep should i just go AH and buy all the mats and then go to the crafter NPC person who lists the orders?

[teal laurel]

crafting can defs go the distance especially with embellishments

[lone hearth]

Yeah you need to find a BS that can craft the one you want too

Also need an enchanted crest

Which you also need an enchanter to make you

[teal laurel]

Get the mats (you probably need max rank mats) then ask in trade chat. You'll get spammed and there's a 99% chance someone will do it for free

[long berry]

:O wow so much to learn!! ty

[teal laurel]

"Looking for sword bro to make me a 636 let me know what you'd like in compensation"

you'll get offers to do it for free

[teal laurel]

(people want skillups/etc)

[long berry]

oh dope! is there a chance for them to steal my mats and run though? LOL 🤔

[teal laurel]

That's the purpose of the trade order system. You specify it as max rank in a prsonal order. They craft it and never actually hold the product it gets sent to you via mail

[long berry]

OOOOH so i still go through trade order. i thought i was legit just trading with someone

😂 i know so little about this game hahahaha

[teal laurel]

Make sure it's a personal order though because for some Blizzarded reason you can only specify up to 4 star on public orders

[long berry]

tysm for your help!!!

[teal laurel]

What do you guys think. Kind of a fail-vault. Upgrade my trinket to myth track but it's not a very high slotted trinket. Or just bump my chest from champ track to hero track?

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[teal laurel]

Current trinks

[teal laurel]

Kind of a non answer because swapping tracks won't do anything to a sim

[lusty grotto]

yes it will, just max it

[teal laurel]

Suppose it's chest then go back to sac farming LOL

[lusty grotto]

if thats what the sim tells you

kinda wild though

because swarmgland should outsim your 613

but you would know that if you simmed

[glacial pebble]

Detachable Fang might be the best sim for me but it isn't even on the wowhead list for prot.

It's middling level for fury so maybe it's worth grabbing?

[lusty grotto]

what other options do you have

[remote tusk]

That trinket is mainly defensive so..

[teal laurel]

Nothing that's an upgrade

[lusty grotto]

i was asking Kev

[glacial pebble]

Defensive?

[teal laurel]

oh derp

[glacial pebble]

I have spelunkers waning candle and Mark of Khadros

[remote tusk]

Gregolo's Silken Chain Weaver is mainly defensive.

[lusty grotto]

no shit

[neon elk]

I hope none of the tw trinkets are worth farming

[lusty grotto]

swarmgland is also a mythic track trinket

its really obvious what he should pick

[remote tusk]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

simming is just so he has proof enough

[teal laurel]

Then why were you being so arcane about it lol. I'm using this as an excuse to download simc

[tropic tangle]

• could farm hero track chest and convert

[teal laurel]

My other vaults were so obvious I didn't need to bother

[lusty grotto]

because if i answer you, i have to answer everybody

and its easier if everyone just sims

[teal laurel]

Okay fine you win this round Mr teach a man to fish

[remote tusk]

react ez

[deft mortar]

wish they also had an achi for 3k m+ rating

[lone hearth]

Whats best 2 trinks for damage for prot? Sorry if it was said and I didnt see

[deft mortar]

its on wowhead

[glacial pebble]

It's just weird to sim and grab something that isn't in a trinket list.

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims best

it shouldn't be weird

[glacial pebble]

Let me ask this: if you simmed for a trinket that isn't in the wowhead list, would you grab it?

[deft mortar]

its defo not detachable fang

[naive panther]

anyone try out the colossus today?

[lusty grotto]

probably yes

you have no other relevant options

616 is all replaceable

[glacial pebble]

Even if the legs are a 10% worse option?

[lusty grotto]

yes

youre not missing anything there

again, most of it you can farm

at best, i would pick socket

[remote tusk]

610 is Mythic 7 itemlevel...

[true plover]

fang or socket imo

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[remote tusk]

^

[lusty grotto]

probably leaning to socket, if they can farm 7s

[teal laurel]

sim is saying take the pactstone what the

[lusty grotto]

link sim

[teal laurel]

sec let me just make sure I did that correctly

[lusty grotto]

pump up both trinkets to max ilvl

and see what happens

[elder bay]

same I went Pactstone bc of sim

[lusty grotto]

click this first

then max the swarmgland

[fleet parcel]

Does anyone know if the recrafting a weapon to free upgrade the offhand works for prot?

[lusty grotto]

well, both

[elder bay]

we have the same trinkets

[remote tusk]

Has to be a two-hander iirc

[fleet parcel]

wouldn't it work with a 1 hander?

cuz on rogue it works if you recraft a dagger

[teal laurel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xxYW8EZ6exWuoSPodwjRfQ

Still says take pactstone lol

[fleet parcel]

but not sure how shields play into this

[lusty grotto]

ok checking

you didnt max them

[teal laurel]

I cranked them in the selection, one sec

[south plume]

would you take the weapon or craft one 636 and get the trinket ?

[remote tusk]

Disable the currency thing.

[zealous goblet]

what's the best defensive trinkets? any ideas?

[lusty grotto]

scatter for the love of christ

SILKEN CHAIN

[zealous goblet]

c:

[lusty grotto]

i swear to god

[zealous goblet]

hi nim

[fervent fiber]

how much do we care about damage? im averaging 550k overall on dungeon end and im taking every single defense point and sacrificing every damage point

[zealous goblet]

nim im not gonna lie your attention is intoxicating

[lusty grotto]

we care a lot

[zealous goblet]

you're so smart and handsome

[lusty grotto]

no, you are

[zealous goblet]

i'll take handsome but no im dumb as rock

[lusty grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/stpK1DH6iusKeKjdouME9E
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1QrenpNtPEbmS2LpjKDKaH
pactstone wins

@teal laurel

[zealous goblet]

i had the option to choose pactstone but i went with myth tier

[mighty valley]

all damage helps kill enemies, so increasing is good. plus a lot of the things that make us better offensively make us better defensively anyway

[sharp steppe]

Can I post a log here and ask for gameplay related improvements? Or do I post it somewhere else?

[lusty grotto]

you can post it here

[sharp steppe]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CFAxRJDTqXjNHQdK#fight=11&type=summary&source=118 ignore shieldwall, LS and Spellblock usage, need to press it more.

[lusty grotto]

@teal laurel keep in mind that you can farm a hero pactstone on dungeons

so its your decision

a myth swarmgland isnt farmable

[teal laurel]

Yeah this is where a lot of my confusion came from

[lusty grotto]

and its 9k dps below in ST, and 13k below in M+

yeah youre gonna have to make your own decision

[remote tusk]

Wrong talents though, fyi

[lusty grotto]

kind of like "do i wanna farm dawnbreaker until it drops?" etc

[zealous goblet]

the reason i ask about defensive trinkets is because i wonder if it'd be better to take them over BSV. it triggered 4 times when i was playing around with it because i love bolster, but i'm like 90% sure they triggered on dumb shit

[teal laurel]

If my like 15+ runs of Ara and only seeing 1 sac drop says anything to my soul lol

[zealous goblet]

if it'd be better to take defensive trinkets over bsv if the situation actually calls for it*

fucking hate how often BSV is wasted

[remote tusk]

I still have a Heroic one after 30+ runs 🥲

[lusty grotto]

if anything press SS more, get that APM higher

also 90% SB uptime is decent but could be improved

[teal laurel]

Sneakily bind shield slam to things off the GCD like me and suddenly add 100k dps LOL

[lone hearth]

Must be nice 😒

[sharp steppe]

Yeah. Think I Prio it too little sometimes. But also I have like 3k haste or something

[lusty grotto]

yeah im not seeing anything that screams that youre playing incorrectly

i can take a deep dive into it later

[zealous goblet]

avatar usage looks like it could be a bit better

[lusty grotto]

rage management is stellar

one of the best ive seen

[zealous goblet]

wait

WAIT

I SEE SOMETHING

SO FUCKING POG

you're such a good boy

[lusty grotto]

yeah this is a very good log

good play all around

very slight improvements to be made

[random herald]

My DH hero is a prot war now

[sharp steppe]

Okay, happy that it didnt go down the hill since I last played Pwar

[lusty grotto]

but exceptional nonetheless

[zealous goblet]

anyways the main thing i notice is avatar is not used as often as it could be

[sharp steppe]

[zealous goblet]

with that rage management

[sharp steppe]

How much avatars uptime should I realistically have in combat?

[zealous goblet]

oh i don't know at all, i just know i have slightly higher on average

some egghead can figure that out

[jagged gust]

it should be up more than it is down

[sharp steppe]

Cause I think sometimes I did hold avatar if packs were like 20% HP so I kinda saved for next pull

Oh Ye i have 58% combat uptime

[dusky canopy]

90% blocked hits and ip CPM at the top

[zealous goblet]

remember you get 4 seconds of it per thunder blast (sometimes? idr) and you get gigantic refunds on it for spending rage

[sonic brook]

Regarding reviewing rage management in logs, is it best to use the Resources tab and see how often it hits 100? i see wasted column on Resources page now

[dusky canopy]

Video gamer alert

[sharp steppe]

Oh, i forgot about the avatar procs actually

[zealous goblet]

dw i do too until i randomly grow like a rule34 inflation fetish and i wonder why

[sharp steppe]

Should IP be below SS?

[zealous goblet]

no, ip is strictly a rage dump, no point in tracking it

you pop it at 60-80 rage and forget about it

[dusky canopy]

This right here including blocked hits at 90% proves that you played very well

Ip CPM doesn’t matter don’t worry about it

What matters is your rage wasted

Witch yours is almost perfect

[zealous goblet]

what tabs do i have to click to get that screen?

i'm not professional log reader man yet

[dusky canopy]

Resources change hit point to rage

[sharp steppe]

Oh and another question: how do I check in logs in what I spent my Violent outburst? Is there some sort of Prio list still? Used to be something like „SS until 5+ targets“ or something similar. Does that change with Thunderblast?

[zealous goblet]

i only saw total when i did that

huh

[sharp steppe]

Pog happy to hear that

[dusky canopy]

Use your cds more

Witch you already mentioned ahead of time

[zealous goblet]

OH i see i have to click on my name to see the breakdown

oops

[sharp steppe]

Yeah. Didn’t really feel like I was in danger a single time so I was just chilling

And yeah that’s not how I should use CDs hehe

[dusky canopy]

For example** saving your wall for the “best moment” usually costs you multiple walls over the course of a key

But you didn’t die so it doesn’t matter

[remote tusk]

How do I see this?

[dusky canopy]

Resources change hit point to rage

[sharp steppe]

Yeah 100%. I was just a bit undergeared and played it more reactive than proactive. That’s gonna change with some more confidence

[lusty grotto]

oh

theres 1 thing

[sharp steppe]

Does someone have a answer regarding that?

[lusty grotto]

remember you can reflect splice

on izo

and it does damage to the boss

but you also might have been deflecting the root

so just prio what you think is best

[dusky canopy]

I deflect root personally

[jagged pier]

Honestly prefer the root break

[random herald]

I do root cause pug life

Splice is nice if I'm with the boys

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats a small improvement, but its key specific

[sharp steppe]

Yeah that was just me fully trolling that

[lusty grotto]

damage done, click outburst

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah ^

[sharp steppe]

Okay, Ty!

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CFAxRJDTqXjNHQdK#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=118&sourcebuffs=386478

[zealous goblet]

hey guys should i drop ravager for BSV

(meme)

[dusky canopy]

[random herald]

Dunno if you have it already but https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9 is pretty nice

[sharp steppe]

Tysm! And is there still a „X target and then you Prio TC over Ss for outburst?

[dusky canopy]

I personally wouldn’t recommend the reflect weakaura

[lusty grotto]

alright i gotta finish work, so i can check my dogshit vault that will fuck me over harder than a diddler joke

[muted arch]

Do we have bis slots for the two crafted pieces?

[random herald]

Can you expand on this?

[lusty grotto]

yeah 5+ targets is fine

[dusky canopy]

Get a plater profile that shows what target the mob is going to cast at and reflect that way

The weakaura will tell you to reflect everything

[zealous goblet]

he said:
I personally wouldn’t recommend the reflect weakaura

[lusty grotto]

2+ targets TB, 5+ targets TC, else SS

[jagged pier]

We already know about your build

[sharp steppe]

Okay and does that change with the „improved TC“?

[zealous goblet]

do u get it

do u get it

[lusty grotto]

yes see above

[zealous goblet]

i expanded on it

[lusty grotto]

if by improved TC you mean TB

[sharp steppe]

Ah sorry! Thanks

[jagged pier]

[sharp steppe]

Yes exactly

[inner wren]

:dead:

[lusty grotto]

haha

[zealous goblet]

i'm sorry i plague prot warrior discord chat with horrible poxes and diseases of shitposting

[dusky canopy]

Jakey not fair!

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-you-have-no-power-here-the-two-towers-king-theoden-gif-4882470

[zealous goblet]

it's the few joys left i nlife

[sonic brook]

Is there an excellent way to evaluate overcasting Ignore Pain in logs?

[lusty grotto]

there is no such thing

[dusky canopy]

You really can’t over cast it

[zealous goblet]

yeah check if you hit 0 rage if you casted it

[opal stump]

really living up to his pfp today

[lusty grotto]

you never overcast IP

since you use it to burn rage

[dusky canopy]

Well you can rage starve yourself yes

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess

[muted arch]

Honestly its not bad to have both in conjunction until you learn what is/isnt reflectable

[sonic brook]

Trying to evaluate IP vs revenge usage

essentially

[lusty grotto]

for thane?

[sonic brook]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

or for colossus

[zealous goblet]

luckily its not classic and rage starvation doesn't doom you for life you just awkwardly auto until you get a shield slam reset or tclap comes off cd or some shit

[lusty grotto]

you never press revenge to burn rage

[mighty valley]

if ss and tc are on cd and you don't have rage for revenge, you probably overcasted ip. that's kinda it

[lusty grotto]

as thane

[remote tusk]

Death Knight for 400

[shell fox]

im so sad.

[graceful kite]

if you dont have ss or clap you press revenge

[lone hearth]

Well no but to fish for procs if both tc and ss is down no?

[graceful kite]

to reset ss

[waxen frigate]

Is it as legendary as bleed support

[lusty grotto]

correct

[jagged pier]

Its probably slight better tbh

[sharp steppe]

Oh, Really? Is it that garbage rn? So you d rather IP + SS and not revenge?

[sonic brook]

I'm trying to create like 4-5 universal points to check in logs to see "am i doing prot warr right" and I think one of the common things I was doing a week ago was using IP too much, rage starving myself, and using revenge too little.

[lusty grotto]

should pin those tbh

[lone hearth]

Would you do revenge or unprocc’d ss and tc!

[waxen frigate]

I gotta remake bleed support for the new tree

[zealous goblet]

i made a build that reduces the amount of buttons you need to press as prot warrior so you have less rotational problems

want it?

[shell fox]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dyL9DptK3NZnAbBG#fight=1&type=damage-done

[lone hearth]

Whirlwind never

[mighty valley]

no, devastate becomes passive with the talent, ww useless

[shell fox]

how can I see the mistakes i made?

[sonic brook]

personal log review starting point:

Universal key metrics to check in a log are:
Minimizing Wasted Rage (Resources > change hit points to Rage)
Shield Block uptime (Damage Taken -> Melees -> look at blocked hit%; aim for 90%+?)
Shield Slam CPM (Casts; aim for 15+?)
Evaluate revenge use
Ensure not overspending rage on IP (just need available for revenge to reset SS)

After that:
Checking defensives during dungeon-specific mechanics
Frequent interrupt usage
Frequent and proper spell block/reflection usage
Should be using wall throughout dungeon

[waxen frigate]

You’re evaluating shield block wrong

[sonic brook]

🙏 pls correct me 🙏

[waxen frigate]

damage taken -> melees -> look at blocked hit %

[lusty grotto]

no, we play devastator, whirlwind/slam/rend (because TC applies it but it needs to be talented) we never use

[jagged pier]

I dont know what this build is but u have 4 block talents and didnt have 100% blocked melees

[lusty grotto]

you revenge on the opener to apply deep wounds, else you use it only if TB/TC/SS are on cd

[wicked pollen]

hi jakey :3

[shell fox]

me bad in the game

[jagged pier]

U should have close to or 100 with 3 block talents

[teal laurel]

Just go full chad and never block

[opal stump]

2h prot warrior

[teal laurel]

no weapons bare fists

[lone hearth]

Rend is kinda useless too right? Since TC applies it

[jagged pier]

We had someone do that it wasnt so bad 2hander prot

[muted arch]

It’s more efficient to overcap ignore pain and never use shield block

[lusty grotto]

i mentioned it

[reef hazel]

Anyone got a decent route for 1st boss area NW? My route stinks I feel like im running around like a moron

[tulip oar]

Blood and thunder!

[muted arch]

Take the non elites with first 2 packs

Go right and take the easy pack with any non elites u can grab

[tulip oar]

I can DM a import string to ya if you want.

[muted arch]

Then go kill boss with the pack on the ledge

[sweet summit]

i do smallies with harvester pack and gatekeeper with lust

[lone hearth]

Me me me

[reef hazel]

Would appreciate it boss

Can you pull the blightbags by the elite without pulling him too

when your on the side bit

[lusty grotto]

not when you initially go right

[reef hazel]

ok

[muted arch]

The ones that run around?

[reef hazel]

I assumed not

ye

[waxen frigate]

Yes you can

[muted arch]

Yes I get those with the second pull almost every time

[waxen frigate]

If he’s referring to the 5 pack that patrols around the room

[muted arch]

And never take the gatekeeper

[lusty grotto]

well i havent been successful, iknow what hes referring to

[waxen frigate]

Skill issue

[random herald]

You need to taunt the front most mob when they stop moving

[waxen frigate]

You taunt the closest one to you

[random herald]

and it won't pull the gatekeeper

[lusty grotto]

trust

thats how ive tried it

[reef hazel]

I mean when your doing this pack

[waxen frigate]

Skill issue then

[lusty grotto]

im not exactly new

[tulip oar]

@reef hazel @lone hearth I did pull 1 on a 10 with a boomkin, he pulled over 10 mil.

[muted arch]

Strange that youve had a problem, I never have

[lusty grotto]

i mean its fine

[random herald]

I mean I've seen some sketch shit happen where they pull but I wasn't tanking so I just assumed the tank messed up

[lusty grotto]

you can just pull them with boss

not a big deal

[lone hearth]

Just that one pack?

[deft mortar]

hows

[reef hazel]

Yeah it always just feels kinda inefficient

[deft mortar]

95% SB uptime

[sonic brook]

i do this but i think i should pull big blight bag pat with pull 2