protection

[tropic tangle]

at both

good joke + someone finally broke Nim

[icy flax]

https://tenor.com/view/yourarchivist-black-cat-orange-cat-black-cat-and-orange-cat-cat-cuddle-gif-11630674910872813960

[lusty grotto]

nah

just swimming against the current

let them play ITF

[tropic tangle]

tru

[lusty grotto]

wont recommend it at sub optimal haste, but it is what it is

[sinful copper]

oh so with suboptimal haste, itf is really bad?

[lusty grotto]

youre free to play what you want 🙂

we dont pay your sub

[sinful copper]

i didnt disagree with you. im here asking for help

[lusty grotto]

you want 35 to 40% unbuffed haste to swap to ITF, otherwise you play heavy repercussions

[cosmic canyon]

The "bad" aspect is the alternative cost. The talent, itf, is equally strong.

You need the uptime on sb. You need sb when you need it so to speak.

Which makes HR relatively stronger on less haste.

To ensure sb potential.

[marble night]

when tanking last boss of Ara kara, should i be moving the boss around at all for the adds?

[waxen frigate]

You can control where the adds die so not really imo

[narrow hull]

wild that every top war in m+ is <30% haste and running itf tho

[waxen frigate]

You don’t want the boss to be too close to puddles anwyay

[marble night]

wait arent there other adds besides the 1 shot guys that drop the pools?

like black blobs or somethign that need to be killed

[waxen frigate]

Yea they’re the ones that root you when you step into the puddles

But after you get unrooted I don’t think they do much

[restive cypress]

no, only the Bloodtenders drop the pools, when you step on them, the blood adds spawn but they don't drop pools when dead

[marble night]

ah okay

ez fight then

idk why some people find it difficult? had a perfect 9 last night up until that boss where the other guys lost their minds

[sinful copper]

thats why i looked it up. like most of top 50 prot warriors all have itf

[marble night]

the big dmg seems to be avoidable, ie. the poison waves and the circles

[narrow hull]

makes ya think

they're obviously trash

or power infusion buyers clearly

[restive cypress]

in my pug experience most of the time things get dicey in that boss when people greed right before the void atom-bomb cast, or not using defensives/hp pots during debuff if they're being chunked

[flat quail]

Can you spell reflect anything on that last boss of Arakara?

[restive cypress]

the bloodpool grip, but technically you don't wanna do that lmao

[tranquil charm]

the Mountain thane m+ build says that "Heavy Repercussions should be swapped for Into The Fray once Shield Block up-time is no longer a issue;"
... meaning once it is no longer a skill issue or is there a certain threshold like haste or whatever once passed it is good to switch?

[restive cypress]

haste threshold

[merry sluice]

aaand the pug experience begins again

priest dies 3 times in a row first pull

[tranquil charm]

and what haste is that?

[restive cypress]

35~40% unbuffed

[tranquil charm]

k, ty

[narrow hull]

What's your current haste level?

[tranquil charm]

20% but only 600ilvl, pwar is alt

[sinful copper]

i feel like there is so much variation in talents. like some prot warriors take ravager, some take piercing challenge, some take fueled by violence, some take impenetrable wall, and some take disrupting shout.

is there a "right" answer for a player doing 9-10 keys?

[narrow hull]

Ah yeah that is low. Was gonna say if nearing 30% just go try it and see what you can manage.

[narrow hull]

play what you need to succeed

[old heron]

I did yeah, I'll just wait - but say I don't get either a weapon or shield, I would ideally want to craft either of those next or upgrade belt/bracers?

[restive cypress]

that's the golden answer

[narrow hull]

I'm a huge double shield enjoyer tho

[restive cypress]

Don't use cookie cutter builds, adapt your talents for whatever dungeon you're going into

[fluid widget]

Try the boss with melee who like to move or an evoker with ranged dps who live in narnia

[restive cypress]

I've personally been enjoying the shield wall mini-proc on avatar cast in some dungeons with nasty trash like stonevault, really helps in a pinch

[sinful copper]

so for all of those i mentioned, there's no "right" answer for what to pick?

[narrow hull]

Just know what you're picking and why you're picking it.

[fluid widget]

What are you sacrificing to grab it?

[restive cypress]

not really. Even if you want to go look at the top dudes playing (since it almost always seems to be the thing), they all have wildly different trees depending on content

[lusty grotto]

the wowhead builds

[narrow hull]

its the choice node

[restive cypress]

nothing really, I just switch the Thunderclap choice node for the SW one

[lusty grotto]

thats a build i guess

but you can do up to 12 with whatever you want

[sinful copper]

which dungeons is disrupting shout very good on?

[lusty grotto]

picking that talent though holy shit

[sinful copper]

huh?

[lusty grotto]

not responding to you

[sinful copper]

oh ok

[lusty grotto]

i just dont know why someone would pick immovable object lol

but hey their sub

[restive cypress]

if you have peeps on voice call, almost always not needed, but on pugs it might be helpful on some heavy caster dungeons

stonevault prolly

[marble night]

Shadow Claw from the Void Bound Despoiler is the big reflect right? in SV

[restive cypress]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[marble night]

it felt like that was a channel on the mob?

[lusty grotto]

no

[restive cypress]

the channel is the big aoe

[marble night]

ah im seeing it now

ty

[lusty grotto]

yeah just send SR once the bigwigs alert comes up

immovable object

jesus

i cant even

DoNt PlAy CoOkiE cUTtEr bUiLdS and picks the worst possible talent

gotta admire it

[restive cypress]

if it helps you time a key, no problem with it

[lusty grotto]

did it?

do you have the log too?

can you share it

[restive cypress]

yeah, timed an 11 with it

[fluid widget]

Oh damn, I forgot about that one. I like the TC waaay too much

[lusty grotto]

ok send the log

[narrow hull]

case to be made in necrotic wake if people are just bots

[restive cypress]

let me take a look

[fluid widget]

I assumed it was in the prot tree

[restive cypress]

shid, no logs, nim, only had the leaderboard thing

[sweet summit]

i love disrupting shout
huge fan

[restive cypress]

was this dawnbreaker

[inner wren]

Disrupting is goated in pubs

[frail ibex]

Are any of the tank trinkets decent outside of the silken court one?

[lusty grotto]

so you dont have the log

unfortunate

i was getting ready to type out why you just wasted 1 talent point

🤷

[restive cypress]

lmao

[forest lodge]

Is the armor racial from Earthen good enough to take it over dwarf?

[restive cypress]

#immovableobjectchads

[lusty grotto]

no

dwarf beats all

[restive cypress]

i've yet to see anyone playing an earthen
it's a psyop I tell you

[fluid widget]

I honestly don’t know how good swarmlord is for us either, I know it’s insane for monk/pally

[tribal wharf]

earthen pwar is omegalul, what, you cant afford food buff?

[lusty grotto]

its decent

[forest lodge]

It's just that Im horde which is why Im still leaning on Earthen. Can't LFR or bg with my horde friends if I switch to dwarf

[lusty grotto]

swarmlord is decent, but there are better defensive options

[tribal wharf]

like, we barely get anything going earthen

basically

[lusty grotto]

vulpera is the best horde race due to their racial

[restive cypress]

you'd think blizzard would give them phat racials to get that sweet race-change monies

[lusty grotto]

earthen is close kind of but the armor is just base so its not as big as people think it would be

[fluid widget]

What’s a better defensive option? I know top logs aren’t helpful at all because strange build decisions that have already been figured out, but a lot are just sacbrood+swarmlord

[royal ivy]

Is it bug? Why can't I upgrade weapon for "free" to 619 ilvl?

[tribal wharf]

both slots

same for rings and trinket

[lusty grotto]

chain weaver

[royal ivy]

😦

[tribal wharf]

both have to be 610, in my examples

[forest lodge]

Whats the racial that's so special about vulpera?

[lusty grotto]

1st hit damage reduction

[tribal wharf]

but, once you got both ring trinket weapons (shield is technically a weapon)

[lusty grotto]

5% dr to be exact

[tribal wharf]

to 610, you can upgrade any item that goes in that slot for only valor stone

[forest lodge]

ah

[fluid widget]

Huh I thought the flat damage reduction trinkets weren’t very good, like the -25k on hit etc

[sleek current]

Anyone got a weakaura for Rasha'nan for the taunt swap? It's very hard to stay concentrated.

[royal ivy]

thanks for info 😦

[restive cypress]

the causese palace pack has one

[lusty grotto]

?

thats not why its better

[sleek current]

Cheers mate, I'll give it a whirl

[tribal wharf]

its a long running problem of "the monster hits me with basic melee for 9000 (classic) 9m dmg (retail) but i have this trinket that reduces dmg but 78, (classic) 7800 (retail)"

[fluid widget]

Isn’t reinforced-wax plating very similar or am I misunderstanding something

[tribal wharf]

it never packs enough punch to be considerable effect for living

[lusty grotto]

to silken chain weaver?

[fluid widget]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

huh

are you reading the right trinket

[tropic linden]

25k is nothing for todays standards. Even when ur getting hit from multiple sources like M+. Flat dmg reduction is very OP as it goes after all dmg reduction % from armor and skills, but if after all, it reduces by only 1%, it's irelevant

[lusty grotto]

silken chain weaver has a partial absorb up to 877k at max hero level, but that's not the best part of it, its the 15% attack speed slow

[tribal wharf]

if it was reduce physical dmg by up to a maximum of 250k reduced, maybe it would be more useful that more tanks would want to equip these item

[forest lodge]

So that first hit is a 5% dr? I mean its just one hit for the entire boss fight then? Dungeons I can see that being pretty good, but raid bosses and stuff does the first hit really come out to be a 5% dr?

[fluid widget]

Oh shit I was looking at the base ilvl

That makes so much more sense

[void wadi]

heyy

[fluid widget]

Jesus ty all

[void wadi]

can anyone share their best pug routes for M+?

[tropic linden]

https://wago.io/dfcotank2 and DBM tells u when to taunt

[lusty grotto]

yeah you didnt specify

for raid any horde race is fine

[forest lodge]

I know I didn't, sorry for that. 🙂 Appreciate you just taking your time to message back

[lusty grotto]

the armor from earthen is still not as big as 5% on first hit

or it kind of is, in the long run but

its also irrelevant in raid settings

if youre horde and you do strictly keys, vulpera is the best, otherwise whichever is fine

so play whichever you like

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[tropic linden]

The only racial that matter is Dwarf that remove bleeds, all of the other are the same

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-warcraft-chad-repost-if-dwarf-chad-gif-21569293

[lusty grotto]

bleeds/magic/poison/curses

not just bleeds

[forest lodge]

It's so good lmao

[smoky anvil]

One siege without a poison cleanse was enough to turn me into a dwarf.

[lusty grotto]

i mean they want to stay horde so 🤷

[forest lodge]

Earthen didn't get it because they didn't want horde to get nice things!

[lusty grotto]

dont worry horde will get lizards soon enough

[restive cypress]

adequate reaction

[tropic linden]

They don't deserve

[lusty grotto]

not that defensively they are any better, but at least they can be close to Night Elves

[tribal wharf]

we need a murloc raid

[lusty grotto]

close, not exactly on even ground

[tribal wharf]

all murlocs

[lusty grotto]

just use the toy yogi

[tribal wharf]

none of it makes sense even after you beat the raid

or gnolls

[lusty grotto]

i'd imagine there will be a new gnoll dungeon soon cause they left that storyline open in DF

[tribal wharf]

candle lore could be cool

[lusty grotto]

i agree

i love kobolds in this exp

[tribal wharf]

we have 1 candle king, was there others before him? serving a candle fire elemental god?

and like, they gotta go through trials and tribulation to become candle king, survive night in a dark place (probably haunted???)

keeping the candle alight, or they go insane in the dark

[smoky anvil]

If only their trinket worked

That crit buff isn’t spreading

[tribal wharf]

yes, buff the candles

[void skiff]

The return of Ragnaros the candle god ☠️ please no

[tribal wharf]

maybe in his trial, in the cave

he started to fail and had to resort to using tainted wax and materials, twisted by a shadow flame spirit of old

from whatever was being done in the mine or was being mined out of it,

[neon elk]

I hope its something better cuz rn that kobold dungeon is pain, hated it on m0, will hate it on m+ .

[void skiff]

Ya not looking forward to that one on m+.

[lusty grotto]

dont worry

they will rework it for keys

possibly not to its fullest extent *checks notes on dawn and rise * but at least some

blizzard cant possibly be that stupid

[neon elk]

Especialy that dark mechanic where mob is next to you but somehow istn taking dmg cuz he is too far from light , or those first mobs with onockback that affects everything , even other casters mobs , so lovely

[red otter]

I thought you could only do dungeons in the rotation on m0 now

[lusty grotto]

surely not again, after all of m+ reworks have no doubt succeeded *checks notes on dawn and rise again

he means s2

[red otter]

so he never did it on m0 either?

[lusty grotto]

uhh

did you read what he said lol

[neon elk]

U could do it on m0 pre season

And i said i will , as in future .

[red otter]

Ohh ok

[lusty grotto]

wait no

ok you guys are gaslightning me

[neon elk]

Sorry papa

[lusty grotto]

was it in m0? i cant remember

[neon elk]

Iirc it was ?

[lusty grotto]

i cant tell

[neon elk]

Or was it hero?

[lusty grotto]

it was in heroic for sure

yeah i dont think it was m0, so Seoul is right

[vestal iris]

If I regularly switch between fury and Prot what should my crafts be? Should I just bite the bullet and craft a 636 shield? Feel like I’m gimping myself trying to cater for both

[neon elk]

If it was hc only then thats even worse

[lusty grotto]

if you have charged hammer + other embelish, then yes craft a shield next reset

and slap a lining on it

[vestal iris]

I haven’t done any crafting yet

[lusty grotto]

ok well

are you serious about fury?

cause if you are, Charged Hammer is your first embelish

or whatever its called

[vestal iris]

I would say I’m more serious about Prot over Fury. I’d rather be a more successful tank and do a little less dps as fury

[lusty grotto]

charged hammer + ascension

then you can do lining on another piece and lining on shield

that's 4 sparks

which you will have next reset

[vestal iris]

Alright perfect, thanks for your answers

[lusty grotto]

sadly you will miss out on writhing armor banding but

its probably your best bet

[molten gorge]

ez little first 4 cleared on Mythic (and by ez I mean killed 4th at exactly raid end)

[strong forum]

the best kind of end

[lusty grotto]

when you get your 5th spark you can probably craft a piece with banding

likely the same piece and you will be set with embelishments

[molten gorge]

[nocturne spindle]

mannn

why do people suck at cot

i just want my last portal

[reef hazel]

I found cot ok

[marble night]

Cot is a lot of fun

Was initially kinda scared of it but it’s a lot of fun now

[nocturne spindle]

its just the beginning i dont like

[deft mortar]

Orc zug zug

[marble night]

The beginning is the easiest part imo

[nocturne spindle]

i feel like if i pull 2 packs pugs die

[reef hazel]

What's your route? I find it ok if you don't get the caster pack

[nocturne spindle]

if I pull one it feels so slow

[reef hazel]

Don't pull 2 packs

Or at least if you just wanna time

[strong forum]

first pull is 3 packs + lust

[reef hazel]

You don't need to

Assuming you mean the big guys in those 3 packs and not first pull

[deft mortar]

I hate cot find mob thing

Annoying

U mean ur dps dies

[nocturne spindle]

even if its just skipping the first 2 and pulling the 4 + big guy pugs just fall over

[deft mortar]

U aren't dying as a prot warr

[nocturne spindle]

yes dps die

[strong forum]

nah, literal first pull

[deft mortar]

Go as 5 tanks

[reef hazel]

Ah yeah this you can do

I find combining the caster packs with the herald scary

[deft mortar]

Have prot palas as healer tanks

[reef hazel]

But I am quite bad so idk

[deft mortar]

I'm act convinced 3 tank 2 dps can clear better

I basically heal 80% of my dmg taken anyway

If I had dragonflight S1 4 set I'd simply not need healing

Would also remove IP from my bars

[reef hazel]

Give prot old vdh double sigils the real move

[deft mortar]

I miss perma conquerors banner too

Also yall Thane warriors will never understand the joys of 1M revenge crits or 5m demolish critd

[void skiff]

It’s the easiest thing this season.

You can tell by the ghost images what one it’s going to be and go straight there instead of following the trail because half the trails are overly long for where they are and take you the opposite direction. Also once you target it, you can’t taunt or hit the mob to get it to activate faster than using the button.

[deft mortar]

Hope yall happy with your light show tho

[deft mortar]

Ye I just don't like Zelda puzzles

Never liked puzzles

I like big numbers and pulls

I like the freedom of pulling 3 packs into the boss and getting all my dps one shot and blame them for not interrupting (they had 12 targets to interrupt)

If all your dps is dead you are promoted to top dps as tank

[smoky anvil]

Second boss is only scary part because people refuse to realize that they need to get in the blue circle.

[deft mortar]

Second boss is all about tank getting them impales properly placed tbh

[marble night]

Yeah with pugs I make it a point to remind them during the RP

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/help-me-emotional-meme-whastapp-gif-20742704

[marble night]

Soak the circle or we wipe

[graceful kite]

Wait for next season and get even better demolish

[marble night]

What’s impale again

[high mesa]

???

[marble night]

Are we talking about COT 2nd boss because I feel like I’m forgetting that mechanic lol

[deft mortar]

Properly placed right on your teammates so they know who is in charge

Nvm that's araka

Ara'kara 2ndboss

[marble night]

Oh is impale the frontal from that guy

[bleak breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-tuning-upcoming-class-tuning-on-weekly-reset-beast-mastery-and-holy-paladin-347570

Just to save my confusion here guys. The original below still stand on and the top are just additions yes?

[deft mortar]

It's all bug dungeon

They gotta send prevokers back to dragonflifgt

God I hate them

Only furry I will invite are druids and.. OK augment is fun cuz I do more dmg

[high mesa]

Imo double shield wall or BSV is a requirement for CoT 2nd boss because I can’t count on pugs to do this

[deft mortar]

Augment goes giga hard act

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

[crystal mauve]

Im curious to find new routes for M+, any tips to where should I look for them? Keystone guru seems kinda odd and count doesn’t match

[lusty grotto]

just read #updates-midnight

[merry sluice]

yeah but you do less dmg overall as a group

aug is fucking bait if u dont need the survival

[bleak breach]

Was just checking if the new part was an addition to the original or replacement.

Seems it’s just an addition

[lusty grotto]

ah

yeah its just an addition

[strong forum]

Mountain Thane: Thorim’s Might increases Revenge, Raging Blow, and Execute damage by 25% (was 15%).

this is new

this used to only be a buff to fury

now it buffs US aswell

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure it was in there

cause crit did a video on it

but

you may be right that it wasn't in the initial initial announcement

[vestal moat]

Can someone explain this tech of ghost images to find the eye faster a little more clearly.

[reef hazel]

Dorki has some simple w routes

[crystal mauve]

Would you know where can I see them?

[reef hazel]

Lemme try find them they're on wago 1sec

[vestal moat]

So we getting revenge and execute buffs?

that are new as of today?

[steady karma]

I don't think it's new, I think it was just oversight before

[reef hazel]

https://wago.io/search/imports/wow/mdt?q=User%3A"DorkiUI"

[crystal mauve]

Thanks a lot!

[reef hazel]

No problem!

[steady karma]

there's only one spell effect for that damage increase, which affects all four abilities; they wouldn't have been able to adjust it for just Fury without creating a new one, which would be very unusual for a hotfix

[bleak breach]

So thane getting a slight damage boost and rage gen reduction by the look of it?
Colossus getting a slight damage buff and ip buff

[lusty grotto]

its an overall buff for us, for both hero specs

[muted pumice]

I'm cooking up a CoT route, because runs often fail due to the first few pulls because of missing interrupts, and I want to reduce the risk while pugging. Also some of those mobs are annoying to pull together as war tank. Would something like this work? marker 1 is stealth skip or cc, BL on boss

[strong forum]

Yeah, but the rage isn't a huge deal, it sucks but nothing that'll have consequences

[lusty grotto]

see below for keystone

ok well

i tried putting the link in the thing lmao

[deft mortar]

They help survive?

ngl I just eyeball my routes

[lusty grotto]

threechest really needs a url shortener

https://keystone.guru/route/city-of-threads/CdocPVw/default-2/edit/1

[sinful copper]

how come shield charge is so early in our opener? we dont need to save it to extend shield block?

[lusty grotto]

https://keystone.guru/route/city-of-threads/LD3bybK/default-3/edit/1 i do this one if we have engineers/priests/rogues

because pull 3 is right on top of the damage buff

[muted pumice]

Is pull 9 safe without BL on +10 keys?

[sinful copper]

and for 10+ keys, are we ever swapping off of defensive stance to gain more dps? or just dont even bother?

[lusty grotto]

10 already has tyrannical

you dont need to add it lol

[cobalt wren]

guys should i craft this first or the waist

[lusty grotto]

but yeah, the group will survive its you that you should worry about due to the damage debuff the marauders put on you

its just 1 kick in that pull anyway

[mighty valley]

the cap on shield block duration is pretty big, so long as you aren't immediately sending both charges + shield charge immediately you're not gonna overcap

just hit it to get all the benefits and get the cooldown rolling

[harsh ermine]

Guys, how is your m+ motivation?
Somehow the season feels a bit off, sitting at 2400 rio by pugging, its just meh:/

[cobalt wren]

plus there is a chance of getting one tapped in certain pulls (like grim batol) going in with charge and demo shout is good imo

gives you good rage to cap ignore pain

[sinful copper]

prot warrior is the best tank class, so not sure what you mean. at 2400+, u need better coordination so maybe u just pug too much and dont play with coordinated players on voice

[molten gorge]

Pug your own key and cherry pick players

[lusty grotto]

yeah bracers are fine

[cobalt wren]

best thing to do

[lusty grotto]

ive heard this one a lot, so youre not alone

[molten gorge]

Sucks when you're behind the curve for sure

Makes it harder and harder to pug / catch up

[cobalt wren]

is 2400 behind the curve?

[mellow arch]

~the scaling is just rough for pugging

[terse hollow]

Hey guys, I'm really new to prot warrior and trying to figure out what I should be able to push to. I hit like 611 tonight, got the 4 set and okay trinkets. Just for my own personal confidence levels I'd like to have an idea of where I'd start to struggle

[sinful copper]

2400 is average right now

[harsh ermine]

Well, I usually go with 1 friend friend and we pug, but sometimes its just so spiky.
Nothing happens, then something overlaps and ppl die and the key is bricked.

[neon elk]

But if dude isnt motivated doing his own key wont fix that.

[lusty grotto]

i feel like nobody got what D4n was saying

[molten gorge]

I'd say so, all 10s rn is like 2.5k or so

I think?

[nocturne spindle]

2400 is like top 7%

[molten gorge]

When I say curve

[nocturne spindle]

so i mean

[mellow arch]

I did I’m in the same boat as D4n

[nocturne spindle]

depends on what you mean by curve

[molten gorge]

Ya I don't mean behind average

[lusty grotto]

a lot of people have DF burnout also so

[sinful copper]

nah all 10's timed is bit higher than that

[cobalt wren]

i got 2400 like a week ago cant go up much sad

anyways

[nocturne spindle]

all 10s is like 2600 ish

[harsh ermine]

So it seems I am not the only one. Maybe it is burnout, but I am not sure. Its not like I did a lot of keys already

[fluid widget]

why not go left at the start?

[lusty grotto]

yeah when it comes to motivation

[mellow arch]

Maybe find a group to do stuff with

[sinful copper]

you probably dont like the dungeons and havent found people to play with. if you make friends that do keys together, it becomes more fun

[lusty grotto]

that's kind of eh

[mellow arch]

Might bring some motivation

[molten gorge]

Mmm fair, I think I'm just misremembering at what point I got all 10s, was a bit ago that I broke 2.6

Got griefed on GB for what felt like forever

[lusty grotto]

ive been reading it all around d4n

[neon elk]

Its the season , there is big jump too soon so as puger its way harder than before, and also all weeks are pretty much same , at least thats how i see it

[lusty grotto]

dont worry

[harsh ermine]

It just feels like its a chore, like the dungeons and the scaling is unfun.
Never had that on a season start this way

[mighty valley]

there's usually a bigger dead period at the end of expansions

[molten gorge]

The keys are harder scaling wise from what I've been told

[mellow arch]

So much harder

[molten gorge]

Can attest that from 11 > 12 felt like a big jump

We bricked Mists 12 even lol, thought it was gonna be a chilling key

It was not

[harsh ermine]

Yeah, and its just so spiky. I thought they wanted to make things less spiky^^

[cobalt wren]

damn congrats

[molten gorge]

Ty 🤝

Next week we time

[harsh ermine]

And everything has like 2 different casts they cycle through constantly. Its like whackamole ^^

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/affix=147/xalataths-guile almost like this exists

which shows up at 12

who would have known

[molten gorge]

Aye

And losing the affix gain too

[neon elk]

Yea like remove that and 15s deathtimmer and all of sudden we have nice season

[molten gorge]

Idk I like that it's hard personally

[mellow arch]

I think the 15sec death timer was a bit much

[lusty grotto]

the death timer is probably the biggest problem

ngl

[molten gorge]

It is brutal ya

[mellow arch]

Maybe 10seconds would’ve been a better test

[molten gorge]

Especially when dps can flop

[nocturne spindle]

naw

[mellow arch]

Before going to 15

[nocturne spindle]

its the fucking

cast interrupt change

[harsh ermine]

Its especially bad for pugs...

[mellow arch]

I mean 100%

[molten gorge]

Personally think the challenge is nice tho

[neon elk]

Chellenge is good and all, but imho ots way too soon

[molten gorge]

But it's my first season ever tanking, and first season since SL 1, so maybe I'd feel different if I had before

[lusty grotto]

yes, thats part of it, but peril is probably the biggest one in magnitude, besides guile

[molten gorge]

Or played more recently

[mellow arch]

The first season after a key squish and level increase is always hard

[lusty grotto]

youre not wrong

[harsh ermine]

True

[lusty grotto]

but this one is leaps and bounds

only because of both peril and guile

20% on top of key scaling on top of both fort and tyr is massive

[merry sluice]

-15 seconds on death is fucking stupid in combination with tight timers
and the "promised dmg nerfs" that were poorly delivered on, ontop of tyran+fort

[mellow arch]

I liked the idea of fort and tyr

[merry sluice]

blizz continously proofs just how out of touch they are

[mellow arch]

But the extra 20% ☠️

[lusty grotto]

i agree

i like the idea of it as well

[molten gorge]

I'm probably just biased, like I don't think it should be easy to just farm score

[nocturne spindle]

i think the stuff past 10 is fine tbh

[mellow arch]

Getting both tyr and fort made it easier to farm score from a week perspective

[nocturne spindle]

thats all just score stuff and the less random and more % based it is the better for pushing

[molten gorge]

It probably only feels bad cause you're used to having it easy in a 10 or 12 or whatever

And now it's a challenge

[merry sluice]

wut?

[molten gorge]

Like the guy saying

[merry sluice]

lol

[molten gorge]

I'm only at 2.4k and feeling bad about itb

But if 2.4k is good rn

[inner wren]

the -15 is just antifun

[molten gorge]

Then that's good

[merry sluice]

👍

[mellow arch]

Never said they were feeling bad about it

It was ~no motivation to keep pugging up

[molten gorge]

Because feels bad I'd assume?

[mellow arch]

The season just feels weird

[sinful copper]

the change to cc not putting casts on cd feels so bad too

[molten gorge]

My point being if 2.4k was top 1% cause it was that hard say

Then you should feel good about that

The score isn't the decider

It's the percentile

[mellow arch]

👌 okay

[molten gorge]

You could have been 3.5k one season, but if 3.5k is average, it doesn't mean you were better or worse ygm?

All relative

[mighty valley]

it's a lotta changes all at once, coming off one of the easiest m+ expansions

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say DF was the easiest m+ exp

[molten gorge]

Ya this is kinda what I mean, so people are upset they're not getting free score it feels like to me as a newcomer

[lusty grotto]

it had the stop meta after all

keys decided on surviving instead of dps

[sinful copper]

can someone tldr how deep wounds feeds back to defensiveness? is it just because of more rage generation so in tough pulls, how early should revenge be? charge, avatar, shield block, spear, then revenge?

[harsh ermine]

I think timing a +10 is currently a bit too punishing. You get tyr& fort, the death timer and with the changes to the dungeons, the change from 9 to 10 is too large.
Especially with how tight timers are.

With current scaling it is so easy to lose someone on some fight, and that can be it for the key

[mellow arch]

D4n if you have a desire to go up more I’d say try to find a group or put one together

[molten gorge]

I get what you're saying but it's like, should you be timing a 10? Yknow what I mean? Like maybe their idea is that a 10 won't feel easy for the average until later in the season

So like progression feels more rewarding maybe

[mellow arch]

Pugging is hit or miss

[mighty valley]

cast changes definitely make everything less carryable

[harsh ermine]

Well, getting 5 crests for not timing is just rough

[molten gorge]

Ya that is grim for sure

[harsh ermine]

There goes my motivation^;

[strong forum]

It doesnt

[molten gorge]

Weekly no leaver is a real feels bad

1hr 5 crests

[strong forum]

Deep wounds is just dmg

[sinful copper]

oh i thought it increased our rage regen

[mighty valley]

tiny bit if you have bloodsurge

[strong forum]

Well it does indirectly via bloodsurge

[molten gorge]

Was boosting friend in 10 earlier and he said the same, we were slightly over on Mists: "5 crests??" Lol

It is dumb

Makes catching up harder

[harsh ermine]

Yes, it is. You need the +10, to actually get gear upgrades:) and you need 9 or 10s for the crests and if you dont time it, do you want to go for another dungeon afterwards?
I dont^^

[molten gorge]

Can agree on that for sure

[mighty valley]

at least you get crests from 9s

[molten gorge]

True

[mighty valley]

and it's a huge step down

[reef hazel]

9s feel absolutely fine to me tbh

[smoky anvil]

Ong it is

[molten gorge]

The problem is people want their vault too ig

[smoky anvil]

World of difference from 9-10

[reef hazel]

So smooth compared to 10

[sinful copper]

if i want to compare my shield block uptime, do i need to log it and look at active mitigation of physical damage? or do i just look at my details buff uptime of shield block and see if it's close to 100%?

[harsh ermine]

Yep, and filling vault then punishes you with more crest grind^^

[molten gorge]

Ya, I get that being annoying for sure

[mighty valley]

log and look at % of melee hits actually blocked

[mellow arch]

I mean are you dying?

[inner wren]

sounds more like ur just burned out on the loop

[smoky anvil]

It’s a long season. Take a break champ.

[tawdry cloak]

I think people are used to a long, slow ramp in difficulty, so they have a lot more content to play through. Portals were at 20, so they had 20 levels of keys/score of simple, smooth progression to play through, and more past that if they wanted, at a reasonably increasing difficulty level. Now, there’s only 10, and people are hitting their wall, or the blizzard imposed wall of fort/tyran or guile much quicker than they would have in previous seasons

[mellow arch]

Level up an alt and have fun for a bit

[harsh ermine]

Maybe I am. Howver its not been long for this season, to already be nearly done with it^^

[molten gorge]

Ya fair, I'm fresh in pretty much so I don't have the comparison, I don't even think portals were in S1 SL were they? Which is when I last played

[smoky anvil]

I feel that. One of my buddies is insistent that we can handle a 12 eventually. And I genuinely don’t know if I got that dawg in me.

[tawdry cloak]

Nah they added portals at the end of SL

[tropic tangle]

biggest mistake they made was thinking they had to keep 4 affixes

[molten gorge]

Bear in mind tho, you've probably got 15+ ilvls to gain to end of season

[sinful copper]

ohhhh so the details uptime number doesnt really inform me too much? or is a general number there good enough?

[molten gorge]

And it might just be this season their intention is that most don't complete all 12s

[mellow arch]

Imo gettin tyr and fort was a big enough affix to disregard adding more 🤣

[molten gorge]

But why tho?

[harsh ermine]

My healer buddy to, he is trying 11 or 12s sometimes, though all failed but I don't have it in me I think

All 10s but more? Nah

[tropic tangle]

what really should have happened is at 2 you get xala affix, 7 you get fort/tyran, 10 you get tyran/fort and at 12 you lose xala and it's replaced by challenger burden

[smoky anvil]

Oh for sure. He just feels we’re 2-3 weeks away, when from my perspective we’re actually 2-3 weeks away from doing ‘10s’. We’re completing 10s now but they’re a bit ugly.

[turbid shuttle]

you're still 15-20 ilvl below cap. even if you get no better at the dungeons (unlikely) but can do 11s today, you'll be able to do 12s just off gear inflation.

[molten gorge]

Ya fair

[mellow arch]

Why would you want to add even more scaling on the scaling that is already going to happen every key?

[molten gorge]

I'm maybe just in a privilege position ig

[tropic tangle]

get rid of the flat 20% thing at 12 because that is just monstrous

[molten gorge]

Foe the challenge

[reef hazel]

I've felt my 10s so far have been pretty damn smooth tbh just mistakes are fucking brutally punished

[molten gorge]

Like anything

[mellow arch]

There’s already a challenge

Every key increase

[molten gorge]

But more of a challenge

[mellow arch]

… you’re missing the point

[tropic tangle]

and boom, you extend the smooth curve, the difficulty comes in perfecting dungeons via the 15 second death timer

[molten gorge]

Ya I don't get the beef

[reef hazel]

It is nice that people do seem to try play a bit cleaner idk

[mellow arch]

For it to start at 12 when people are already getting used to the combined tyr+fort

[molten gorge]

Like who says you should ever be able to do all 12s? Like if blizzard have thought, this should be the wall, then that's the wall

[harsh ermine]

I keep hoping the ilvl increase over time will make things better, but from ~600 to 620 didnt feel like doing much for it^^

[molten gorge]

It's all relative is what I'm tryna get at

Like you could drag it out over 24 key levels

But it's arbitrary is what I'm tryna say

[mellow arch]

You have your opinion on the situation as well does others

[molten gorge]

Nah ofc

Not saying one is right or wrong

But you've asked like "why do X"

So I'm saying this is probably why

The yard stick has just moved it seems to me, they've done a squish basically

And it'll feel annoying I suppose, but when you do that first juicy 12, gonna be back slaps all round for the homies

[mellow arch]

Sigh

I agree however the point here was pugging in the beginning

[molten gorge]

Ya pugging rn is rough, no question

Especially when it's squished right, cause harder to tell good and bad apart

[harsh ermine]

Well, wasnt always this bad.

[tawdry cloak]

The other problem with adding the big jump is that you have no way of practicing for that harder difficulty. It just suddenly jumps from 11-14. You used to have those middle key levels to practice and get better at the dungeon, refine your route/cd usage, and prepare for where you’d eventually land

[mellow arch]

A lot of changes happened all at once and ofc people are going to react differently to it

[molten gorge]

[mellow arch]

The change in the crest rewards and vaults from key

[molten gorge]

Ya this is a fair point

[sinful copper]

do you guys use a weakaura to notify u of burst of power procs?

[mellow arch]

Makes people more pressed to do x or y

[harsh ermine]

But I guess I will tone it down, do maximum 4x10s and just wait till ppl cap on gear 🙂

[inner wren]

sounds good

[harsh ermine]

To not burn out completeöy

[reef hazel]

It's also conceivable that people end up getting to 10s when they haven't run a dungeon on tyran or fort this season yet

So they don't know which trash or boss mech is actually danger

[turbid shuttle]

I added a counter to the icon for shield slam on my current WA, based off a trigger for burst of power, reading whatever tooltip value for the count on the buff.

[reef hazel]

Definitely happened to me lmao

[mellow arch]

Same

[molten gorge]

Haha ya also did that with early keys

[reef hazel]

3rd pull of sob I had no idea would hit crazy hard

[mellow arch]

Omg yes 🤣

[harsh ermine]

Ppl sometimes even dont know the boss mechanics fully

[reef hazel]

I mean if you've run a key on fort some you can just kinda ignore

[molten gorge]

Was happy stuff in there got nerfed

[reef hazel]

Like sv first boss dispells

[molten gorge]

It was doable, but Jesus christ

[reef hazel]

Can still be kinda bad if people aren't ready, I only really feel comfy there with tons of cc

[mellow arch]

People just like to die randomly on SoB bosses

[molten gorge]

Doesn't help that 1st boss loves to get pulled if you just look at him funny

[merry sluice]

what do we call this one

[molten gorge]

[mellow arch]

Let’s call that one what’s a bomb

[merry sluice]

it was an 11 ;l

[mellow arch]

Oh no

[molten gorge]

I had a DK pull the trash outside the room with breath once, that was good

[reef hazel]

Literally the most infuriating shit and it's so inconsistent

[harsh ermine]

Well, looks like a standard pug to me:D

[reef hazel]

DKs pulling shit into the house miniboss on db is a classic

[merry sluice]

its been evokers for me

they jsut breath and say

"fuck it"

[tawdry cloak]

Had a DK get an extra pack in on a +11 CoT first boss. We went back twice and there a pack off to the right as you come in. He pulled it and I didn’t even know there was trash over there

[tribal wharf]

wish i played my bdk moreo

[molten gorge]

Devastated I can't read what you blacked out cause part of it looks like it says "breeding" so now I'm extra curious

[tribal wharf]

i want vampire dk to be better

so i can be eviterno

unkillable

[tawdry cloak]

It’s a server name lol “bleeding”

[mellow arch]

Bleedinghallow

[molten gorge]

Ah

[merry sluice]

i dindt care enough to completely cover their server name

[molten gorge]

Boring

Thought it was gonna be some chat log

Hahaha

[tribal wharf]

"breeding hollow" lmao

[molten gorge]

😳

[merry sluice]

that's moonguard goldshire

[tribal wharf]

bonk go to h jail

[merry sluice]

im not the one who typed breeding hollow

[reef hazel]

Also seen druid trees pull some wild shit lmao

[molten gorge]

Sadly I think my dirty mind is to blame

[merry sluice]

join a group
wait way too long for a qualified healer "you can only do these two routes"
then dude links routes

easiest alt f4

[toxic pewter]

in ara kara, are people grouping all the trash to the first mini boss and lusting

like are people expecting me to do that

[zealous goblet]

tbh

i like the 15 sec death timers

because spam releasing to recover a wipe is frustrating

ruby life pools first few packs, stonevault's packs

[inner wren]

if ur the tank just do what u want

[toxic pewter]

yeah im not gonna do that in a pug

[zealous goblet]

so this way people stop being dumb and just clean wipe

[toxic pewter]

too much crap to kick

[tribal wharf]

i do think punishment and "you die, fuck you you suck, you go back now, screw you" is a good thing

[molten gorge]

It gets very rough as the keys get high

[tribal wharf]

game shoul punish you if you make mistake, else, there is no lesson to be learned

[molten gorge]

Based

[zealous goblet]

i propose my computer extends an arm outwards and lights my hair on fire if i miss a kick

[reef hazel]

If you cause a group wipe in key you should be killed

[icy flax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QTp37x4H2FNjAhbf#fight=last&type=damage-done

any feedback on this key? Just lookin for some general advice

[terse hollow]

Hey guys, I'm really new to prot warrior and trying to figure out what I should be able to push to. I hit like 611 tonight, got the 4 set and okay trinkets. Just for my own personal confidence levels I'd like to have an idea of where I'd start to struggle

[strong forum]

With 611 you should be just fine in 10s

If you feel that's to big of a leap just chill in 7-9s to farm more upgrades

Ideally 9s but in those levels people get real picky

[teal laurel]

I ran 9s until I was like 617 or so then I stopped feeling like certain packs in 10s slapped my hp bar like it owed them money

[terse hollow]

Okay sweet, I'm only like 3 days into the swap so not had much experience but I've been timing 7s for fun so was kinda curious where it'd fall off

[strong forum]

Not rly, everything looks pretty good

[teal laurel]

I noticed the people who spam 9s are pickier than the people who would run a 10 lol

[strong forum]

Yeah cuz the people who can do 10s comfortably usually have more of a brain cuz why do a 9 when you can do a 10

When you need to do a 10 for myth vault

Ykno

[molten gorge]

If I'd said this I'd have been @'d within 30seconds flat

[strong forum]

Nah

[terse hollow]

I'm guessing even if I'm capable I'm gunna have to go through getting every key to 7s then 8s before I'll get to 9s

[strong forum]

We did 10s week 1 with 605 ilvl

[terse hollow]

Pug life sucks 🤣

[strong forum]

Surely people don't forget that

[smoky anvil]

It’s not wrong

[molten gorge]

Ya I agree it's doable

[sinful copper]

It's common but usually with a frost dk for grips and coordinated stops. U can just split it into 2 and still lust the mini

[molten gorge]

I did the same, was fine

[smoky anvil]

I’m 616. My inability to 10 is a me problem not my character.

[molten gorge]

🤝

[teal laurel]

If you run your own key it's less of an issue but yeah typically 10s wont invite you unless you're that specific niche they want or you have 2300-2400 rio. You kinda just have to play their potato IQ game

[molten gorge]

One of the good ones I see

[terse hollow]

Well that's fine more practice is more good

[sinful copper]

Do healers have to heal us way more than other tank specs? Sometimes I have 100% shield block, demo shout on, ignore pain when I have the rage, and wall for big damage... And I'm still getting destroyed.

[teal laurel]

What helped me be a good tank is spamming one dungeon for like 2 days straight then when I get the drop I want move on to another and repeat LOL

[molten gorge]

Less than others if anything

[teal laurel]

Kinda hard to suck at routing a dungeon if you've done it 27 times

[reef hazel]

Real

[teal laurel]

I've done I think 21 Ara's now and I've only seen 2 sacblood drop. I'm at the point where I'm just gonna let the vault Gods save me

[deft mortar]

k this ara kara 10 I pulled extra 5% and this DH is blaming me for pathing and constantly dying

I literally died once

[smoky anvil]

Yeah, that’s what I did. Beat my face into a dungeon until I wasn’t scared. I find if I’m not comfy on route im trash cuz I’m focused on staying alive and routing. Just spammed low keys till I got comfy.

[deft mortar]

Bro died 4 times

He also did 1.1M overall with an augment evoker in team

[reef hazel]

I only played dfs3 before so ran everything at almost every key level until it felt comfy lmao

[deft mortar]

I did 780k overall as tank for ref

[teal laurel]

I used to get (still kinda?) wild tank anxiety so my logic was "just be immaculate at one dungeon then pivot"

[deft mortar]

idk man sounds like that 5% aint that much

[smoky anvil]

Nah I can definitely relate

Grim batol scared me after I was 30 second from bricking a 4.

[terse hollow]

Hey this is an odd question but in situations where I'm not generating much rage how do you choose between block or ignore?

[reef hazel]

Block uptime is prio

[smoky anvil]

Got to last boss with 1% left, killed him and rushed back

[teal laurel]

It helps when I just consider every mythic+ I do to be a follower dungeon and sometimes the NPCs get feisty in chat.

[smoky anvil]

After that just practiced

[terse hollow]

Is that cause block helps you keep up ignore but ignore gets eaten too quickly without block?

[teal laurel]

It's also that shield block makes shield slam spicier

[reef hazel]

Idk I just read a guide 😭

[strong forum]

Clown dh, you can literally +3 ara kara 10 even with overpulling if people can just press their buttons

Fucking complaining about count in a +10

[teal laurel]

It's a story as old as time, the most specialed DPS in your group is the loudest and often the first to leave when a wipe happens

[strong forum]

What I find more egregious is pug tanks who don't pull all the way until first mininoss

[teal laurel]

My fave is when there's a mage or something that's died 10 times who then proceeds to unload on the tank's route or something because we bricked a key by 30 seconds

[strong forum]

And stop at the bottom of the stairs...

[winter shard]

I had a mage in my 10 siege last night spam 'GOOO!' the only time I stopped during the entire dng bc healer had 3% mana, same dude ass pulled mobs during 3rd boss and died

[strong forum]

Like okay gj you just pulled 3 mobs and 10 smallies, where the smallies die in 2seconds

People get baited by nameplates so hard it's unreal

[teal laurel]

Legit at this point I tell everyone at the start "pls let me group before you dps/heal" and they STILL end up being half dead the second I look behind me 50% through my pull on first pack Ara LOL

[molten gorge]

Great use of the word egregious

👍

A personal fave of mine

[teal laurel]

Screw this tank he's not gonna hurt my DPS par...<dies>

[strong forum]

Meanwhile me, on my blimp, waiting for the tank to walk

Basically mimicking "surely that ain't it bruh"

[terse hollow]

Any ideas how I tell if I've pressed enough shield block I assume it has a cap or something

[strong forum]

It has a cap of 3x duration aka 24seconds with enduring defense talented

Aka, nothing to worry about

If in combat, press SB

[teal laurel]

Legit I have mw-up to shield block and mw-down to ignore pain and unless I'm in a situation where I'm banking shield block charges I'm constantly kinda flicking mwup

[terse hollow]

I do that on guardian with ironfur and regen🤣

[teal laurel]

I added shield bash to mwup because I'm special and it upped my dps by like 100k LOL

[terse hollow]

So block and slam as a macro on scroll?

[teal laurel]

Listen I'm terrible at this game so let's not say I'm the pinnacle of role models but yes

[terse hollow]

Hilarious

[teal laurel]

Just make sure it's shield block first then shield slam second or you'll hit issues that are obvious

[terse hollow]

I love creative solutions to problems that don't exist

I use sequence macros for brew cause fuck that's a lot of buttons

[winter shard]

I agree, but when I do that more often than not I notice everyone bonking shit while I'm still moving. People get so braindead during pulls like that in pugs

[icy flax]

ty beast

[teal laurel]

My issue was I was doing trashcan dps and it really just boiled down to not shield slamming/avatar enjoying enough. So I got creative with things that are off the GCD by adding some avatar/shield slam spice bulk costco style

Instantly made my parses go from middling 50 percentile to top 20%

[terse hollow]

If it works it isn't wrong

Tank parses kinda fake tho 😦

[teal laurel]

I don't disagree I was just looking for ways to improve even if minor

[terse hollow]

Only way is up if you keep that mindset!

[teal laurel]

Also wiping on H Ansurek 150,000 times

[terse hollow]

My guild literally just folded to that boss

But ya know tank life, on to a new team already 😅

[teal laurel]

Once you just get the general jist of the mechanics as a tank it's entirely in the hands of your DPS summoning a 4th and final brain cell.

[terse hollow]

Preach

[teal laurel]

But my guild is too casual to bench anyone or have a tough talk with serial offenders

[terse hollow]

We got 7/8 on weel 1

Then ever since we hadn't got passed p1

9 hours a week

[teal laurel]

Court walled us week 1 but then people got gear now it's wipefest on queen every week lol

[terse hollow]

I think we had 14 people leave the guild today alone 😅

[teal laurel]

our webby boys needed time for their jobs to percolate in their brains lol. Then when we get it on farm "only 1 web now, sincerely Blizzard"

[terse hollow]

Yeah that fight is a joke now

[waxen frigate]

[teal laurel]

That was week 2 for us, the only people who ever saw the intermission consistently were me and like 2 healers suffering from ptsd

Now we wipe on platforms

https://tenor.com/f9hBmcE0vz1.gif

[terse hollow]

I couldn't agree more

I don't miss ce but man I miss aotc being over n done with

[graceful kite]

Zekvir’s Lair no longer rewards Great Vault credit.

lol classic blizz move

[lusty grotto]

no fun allowed

[graceful kite]

its not even fun

is just less misery

[lusty grotto]

yeah

its gonna fucking suck for alts

[molten gorge]

What ilvl was the reward?

[graceful kite]

they need to tell higherups that their exnapsion features are popular and have engagement

[molten gorge]

Didn't even know it gave reward tbh lol

[graceful kite]

616

like t8

[molten gorge]

Ah fair

Ya shame for alts for sure

[lusty grotto]

hopefully it wont fuck with next vault

cause i aint doing 8 delves on every single alt

[molten gorge]

Does it say hotfix or?

Hot fix then it might matter

[teal laurel]

?? Zekvir makes me want to cry anyway

[graceful kite]

weekly reset

[molten gorge]

Then you're safe ya

[lusty grotto]

it was ? zekvir

easy as fuck with my 5 alts

took 0 time

[molten gorge]

I've not even tried it, is it fun or?

First time I mean

Like Legion Mage Tower was good imo

[lusty grotto]

tier 1 is cake

[teal laurel]

? was easy ?? makes me wanna pull my hair out

[lusty grotto]

tier 2 is not as hard as legion mage tower

[molten gorge]

Haha fair, I'll have to check it out

Can't wait to regret my decision

[lusty grotto]

or at least i didnt find it to be as hard as week 1 mage tower

[molten gorge]

[teal laurel]

I have no idea how prot warriors solo ?? Zekvir. I can get him to phase2 but some nonsense always happens before 0%

[lusty grotto]

its still a moderate challenge

whats killing you

[teal laurel]

Often just not killing a cocoon fast enough

[lusty grotto]

are you specced for ST

[toxic pewter]

why does everyone seem to have zero issues in ara kara yet I have nothing but issues

[lusty grotto]

just hold cds for it

[toxic pewter]

place is a shitshow

[teal laurel]

I could make some changes I just don't prioritize getting it done

I just periodically waddle in there lol

[lusty grotto]

and execute at 40% hp with massacre

do not use avatar for it

save avatar/dwarf for the dispel

if brann decides not to dispel you, you can send it

[molten gorge]

Has a very forgiving timer is why people think it's nice

[lusty grotto]

you can also just full send dps brann and always hold avatar for it

instead of healer brann

[toxic pewter]

place is awful easily my least favorite dungeon this season

[molten gorge]

What's giving you issues?

[molten gorge]

Hahaha I love it

You're maybe just making it hard for yourself with some pulls?

[smoky anvil]

Ara-kara is my favorite prolly

I love that place

[toxic pewter]

I must be missing something

[molten gorge]

What's causing the issues?

[toxic pewter]

I think its people not kicking enough or something

plus every healer Ive had sucks

like do healers have issues on 2nd boss or something

[molten gorge]

The packs after the bridge are rough without kicks ya

[toxic pewter]

have had 2 groups die to 2nd boss

i dont get it

i dont aim frontal at them

i aim frontal to side of circle

get adds

[molten gorge]

Stupid Q, did you let the big spider eat the little spiders?

[teal laurel]

There's things you can do as the tank to help your window lickers not die. E.g. boss 1 gossamer intelligently, boss 2 hang out on the waning side of the circle for aoes

[smoky anvil]

Right or left side

[molten gorge]

Ah wait 2nd

Mb

Hmm, no 2nd is kinda easy, you stand frontal to right of the circle

[toxic pewter]

its weird

yeah its an easy boss

[molten gorge]

They stand left

[toxic pewter]

but people die when boss goes underground

[teal laurel]

You can dodge the cosmic collapse or whatever on final boss too without using a pool which helps the dumbs stay alive

[molten gorge]

Not sure what they could even fuck up lol

[toxic pewter]

just awkward

that I am having issues in there

when everyone is +2ing it and celebrating

[teal laurel]

Rally can save people here but it's kind of a 1 shot

[molten gorge]

You're maybe just stuck in a hell-ish key level where people are dogshit of this is the case lol

[teal laurel]

I always rally the first charge and it's saved a lot of keys lol

[smoky anvil]

There’s a dot that goes out that chunks on higher keys if people stack.

What level of keys you doing?

[lone kiln]

Roar or Spear on thane for m+?

[lusty grotto]

either is fine but spear is better

[molten gorge]

Spear is more dmg

[teal laurel]

Spear has good utility especially for those dipshits that random charge

Looking at you Ara bats and mist trash

[smoky anvil]

Spear is also nice for ara kara suicide spooders

[toxic pewter]

I think I have mentally psyched myself out regarding ara kara since ive had like 2 bad groups in a row

[molten gorge]

Haha

[toxic pewter]

surely it is not me..

[teal laurel]

I mean sometimes I just need a 1-2 hour break because you get the dumbest pugs known to man PLUS being toxic lol

maybe it's just a situation where you need a good run or two

[toxic pewter]

in the final boss room which way do you guys go

apparently left side is best?

[molten gorge]

"Follow your dreams, you can reach your goals, I'm living proof. BEEF CAAAAAKE." - Cartman

[fluid widget]

I used to do the sides but people keep killing thenselces

[molten gorge]

🫡

[fluid widget]

So I go down the middle now

[toxic pewter]

Ive always preferred middle

[molten gorge]

You got this king, make Ara'kara your bitch

[teal laurel]

left but it's mostly because my route is almost exactly 100% and needs the % from the left side

[toxic pewter]

but people raged at me for going middle..

its weird

the side have annoying puddles and crap

[molten gorge]

Big boys doing sides, so now sides is meta

Problem with middle is the scaling in higher keys

[toxic pewter]

how bad does the middle mob hurt

that scarab lord

[teal laurel]

Middle is technically less % efficient but it's not necessarily wrong you're just playing with people who look up something on icyveins then assume every other method is some form of high treason

[toxic pewter]

ya

[molten gorge]

It doesn't really in 10 and below

But the mob has some ramping damage right

So when we get to spooky high keys

It's gonna be a no-no

[teal laurel]

It's the beetle that's scary on higher keys no?

the twins at the end are never an issue

[molten gorge]

Ya beetle

[fluid widget]

Yeah the lord

He slaps

[toxic pewter]

sigh I guess I will just keep going left

[fluid widget]

But double explosions and roots/slows also hurt on the left side

[molten gorge]

They do

[toxic pewter]

pally freedom helps a lot from what I hear

[molten gorge]

Warrior nice for it tho ig, avatar, leap, charge, intervene

[teal laurel]

Also don't let some dumbass dps dictate the rate you pull on left because that root will kill you

[toxic pewter]

yeah I actually take it sort of slow

[teal laurel]

Play with it and pull what you know you can survive

If a dps has a problem just remind yourself he's got problems irl lol

[tribal wharf]

ya, thats the purpose of low keys

[molten gorge]

With 15s deaths now, it's not worth risking a wipe tbh

[tribal wharf]

see what you can pull and get away with consistantly

and fill vault for hero gear

for me

[soft tusk]

How do we get more harmonized silk?

[tribal wharf]

it just manifests every 2 weeks

[toxic pewter]

have you tried downloading more

[tribal wharf]

i already downloaded 64 gb ram

that should be enough

its the rgb type even

[toxic pewter]

yes

I also downloaded much ram

[waxen frigate]

ara-ara, give me that sac of yours

[toxic pewter]

lol

O_O

[deft mortar]

Funniest thing is when dps ninja pulls because they're so smart and get one shot

At the current meta of warrs pulling 2M aoe, they can't even pretend they get aggro

[winter shard]

I just let them keep it and laugh

[deft mortar]

Kekw

[winter shard]

my give a shit meter is at 0

[deft mortar]

Idk why they don't realize that tanks love to pull

It's them that will die to random mechanics

[winter shard]

Jimmy's CDs are up and he's gotta blast

[deft mortar]

Lol

Once I got blamed for under pulling in NW 10. Underpulling by 4%, which we TP'd to start and took our the necro caster in 30 secs, so it was timed.

The problem was we were 3 min early to 3rd boss and BL was on CD

[winter shard]

they changed the % a few weeks ago, every tank had that happen. dps are too smooth brained to look at blue notes

[deft mortar]

It's like if we killed another pack.. What do we do with the remainder 2 mins before BL

We wouldn't had BL anyway

[winter shard]

they just like to ramble

[lofty warren]

they just like to ramble

[winter shard]

they just like to ramble

[lucid rapids]

am i smoking crack or is my friend playing prot wrong? throughout an entire dungeon his ignore pain was only being used 22% of the dungeon up until 2nd boss of GB then the grp fell apart because he was getting one shot.

[lusty grotto]

why are you looking at ignore pain

[lucid rapids]

im looking at all his stuff

[lusty grotto]

look at his effective uptime on shield block

ignore pain is not his main mit

he should only be using it at 70 rage or more

[lucid rapids]

trying to figure out how to see that sorry one sec

[lusty grotto]

damage taken

put your mouse over hits

melee hits

or whatever is blockable

and/or shield blockable

melee is probably a good indicator

[pallid quiver]

Logs specifically

[lusty grotto]

yes, sorry, in logs

[pallid quiver]

Since you might only be looking at details

[lucid rapids]

oh i didn't log it only details

[pallid quiver]

Of course, if their uptime on SB is only like 30% in details, you don't need logs to know there's problems going on

[lusty grotto]

tell him to track and keep SB up

[lucid rapids]

he's a classic player. refuses to use wa or any fuckin addon for that matter.

[pallid quiver]

Since warrior's main mitigation is via blocking, the only realistic way to gauge it is to check on logs for attacks being blocked, as SB also does nothing if you're not properly facing mobs and keeping them in front of you

[lucid rapids]

im getting tilted

[lusty grotto]

being a classic player is not an excuse

you kept SB up in any iteration of classic

[lucid rapids]

i agree

[lusty grotto]

the gameplay has not changed for shield block

[pallid quiver]

if he comes from raw classic, vanilla land, then he's probably not at all using SB the way you need to in retail

[lucid rapids]

and hes using some cooked up build he made

[turbid shuttle]

still, ignore pain is your primary rage dump. it's going to be up the majority of the time if you're dumping your rage in to it. 22% means he was probably not pressing it. either over capping or revenge spamming.

[winter shard]

there's a very simple WA that can track SB, he should have no issue having that at the very least.

[lusty grotto]

unless he was playing fury prot or some bullshit

[pallid quiver]

since it is available roughly seventy billion times less

[lusty grotto]

if hes dying its not to having ignore pain or not

[lucid rapids]

Shield block was only used 35% of the time until the grp fell apart at the second boss

[pallid quiver]

That's 100% going to be an issue, since most of Prot's talents are locked in due to raw syngergy

[lusty grotto]

its cause hes not keeping SB up

anyway

[pallid quiver]

yeah i had a feeling

[lusty grotto]

if you only have details data

click on his bar

and go to auras

and see where Shield Block is

[jagged gust]

Pugs

[lusty grotto]

like this @lucid rapids

[jagged gust]

oh whoops

[lusty grotto]

lmao will

thats a build

[jagged gust]

didnt wanna dox em

[lucid rapids]

this is his build

(https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVFVEUiUVCaEBBBMVVVEFFRUVZVUCAUEFVVUCAQ)

woops

[pallid quiver]

You should direct him to one of the Prot War guides on IcyVeins or Wowhead.

Either or is fine.

[jagged gust]

close

[lusty grotto]

thats not a bad build

the one Faid linked

[pallid quiver]

It has literally 0 SB talents

[jagged gust]

I didn't let them start the key until we had a convo lol

[lusty grotto]

i mean there's 1 or 2 things he could change

oh

[lucid rapids]

that is his details breakdown

[lusty grotto]

true

yeah true to your word

31%

[tawdry cloak]

Classic Andy’s don’t need guides. They can just feel the game bending to their will

[pallid quiver]

I would consider it terrible by sheer virtue of no SB talents whatsoever.

It also has Barbaric Training, while not even having as much rage gen as possible

[lusty grotto]

yeah lol

and no rend

im seeing whats wrong with it

[turbid shuttle]

no bulwark, no HR, no enduring defenses, no bolster.

[lusty grotto]

its fucking whack

[pallid quiver]

There's also no Rally, either

[turbid shuttle]

how you gonna keep shield block up with 0 shield block talents