protection

[unkempt hazel]

um

I eated it all

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-playing-dead-pretend-peek-gif-15689501

[unkempt hazel]

[merry sluice]

thankfully im raiding on my dk this season
so i know im gonna be required for at least one fight

[lusty grotto]

lol

feelsbadman

[unkempt hazel]

me deciding to main monk this ssn cuz we have plenty of warrs

[lusty grotto]

dont worry i gotta run fury on broodtwister too

[unkempt hazel]

warrs stop coming after first raid

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt hazel]

scammed

[merry sluice]

in one raid night

4 dk tier pieces dropped...

[unkempt hazel]

u won them all right

[lusty grotto]

did you have them all already

[merry sluice]

i did not
i am now almost 630 merely for existing

[lusty grotto]

oh

feelsgoodman

[unkempt hazel]

[merry sluice]

it became a fucking meme bc none

none of the clothies could get anything to drop

and we only had one warrior in the raid

[lusty grotto]

lol sounds like chipadin last reclear

[merry sluice]

so any plate extra stuff also had like

little contest

[unkempt hazel]

I have the reverse

no monk tier dropped in 2 weeks

wait 3

[merry sluice]

oh we had like

2 zenith peices drop

for all our evokers, one warrior, and monk buddy

but dreadful? OH WE GOT DREADFUL

[unkempt hazel]

we were swimming in mandates or w/e its called

wait

contracts

now I need my warp blade

[cursive leaf]

Hi guys, just curious: what are U playing? Double shield wall or cd red Talent?

Can't decide

[jagged pier]

u never play double wall

[fast oracle]

Trinket Question: I've been running skarmorak (619) and Sac Brood (606). I just got Swarmlord's (613). What should I be running for tanking gear?

[jagged pier]

u loose 25% pf the rage SS gernerates and u have less SWs overall

[cursive leaf]

Yeah this was my assumption but nr2 warr playing it

Kiratank

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

whatever u like, tbh just sim

[fast oracle]

how do you sim for staying alive?

[jagged pier]

u dont. u have enough suriviability from highest simiming gear

as survivability and tankiness comes from play

[fast oracle]

so just go with the damage

[jagged pier]

yep

[jagged pier]

cool hes also just wasting the talent point in this log im looking at he cast SW 12 times in 26 mins

so he might as well have used the other 1

or well would have got far more use out of the other one

which is better

[coral badger]

guessing i should go haste flask as well ............. instead of the vers ive been stacking

[jagged pier]

choas

its more stats overall

and more stats is better

[coral badger]

tysm

[frank rock]

Perhaps he wants it for a specific pull in a high key?

[wicked pollen]

except its not being used 🙂

[jagged pier]

he does us it back to back once in the log i looked at

[nimble grail]

Depends on dungeon

[wicked pollen]

ONCE

HAHAHAHAHA

[jagged pier]

but i dont think he would have needed it

[wicked pollen]

jakey they are right finally

[frank rock]

Yeah thats what i meant

[jagged pier]

if he had just blocked more hits

[nimble grail]

For SoB

[jagged pier]

he at 74%

[nimble grail]

You can wall first 3 packs

[wicked pollen]

doing worse than me

with execute

[nimble grail]

With double SW

[lusty grotto]

you can wall all 3 packs with IW also

if youre using rage as you should

[frank rock]

Wall total uptime, is that really the best measure for wall value?

[lusty grotto]

and pressing SS

[nimble grail]

Sure about it ?

[lusty grotto]

ive ran enough sieges

for the dumb fucking ring

which i got 2 days ago finally

[frank rock]

If you can maximize Hard pulls like that seems like it could be more value even if it means less overall uptime

[nimble grail]

That is my point pretty much yes

Can also help on tank bursters on bosses

[lusty grotto]

but you have to play correctly for it

[wicked pollen]

what boss

[lusty grotto]

except most tank busters are spell blockable

[wicked pollen]

are you needing 2 shield walls for

[nimble grail]

Or some pack you can double wall in the pack

[wicked pollen]

?

[frank rock]

But for the average key player double wall is prob not worth

[nimble grail]

I mean I am just saying that 2 walls is not pointless

[lusty grotto]

there's a log

there's no need to feelcraft about it

[eager phoenix]

1 wall to rule them all

[frank rock]

Why not both 😊

[lusty grotto]

you can certainly feelcraft it when youre pushing and you don't know what to expect, at the level Kira is doing

but looking at it after the fact, Jakey is right

[wicked pollen]

there is legit 0 boss mechanic where you need 2 shield walls within 20 seconds of each other

[frank rock]

Didnt we see kira used the double Wall?

[lusty grotto]

more proof that any of you shouldn't double wall

i feel you didnt get what im saying

time for

[wicked pollen]

night night nim

🙂

[lusty grotto]

🫡

[nimble grail]

2nd boss of dawnbreaker it can be nice to have, not necessary though

[ionic fern]

So..you do the first 2 and then what?

[nimble grail]

I mean if you play with 1 Sw can u use it every 2 tank hits ?

[violet ginkgo]

You can spellblock it...

[ionic fern]

If the boss dies after first 2,you won't need SW for it. If the boss is on any relevant high level,you will get more SWs from Impenetrable Wall.

[nimble grail]

Ok ….

[violet ginkgo]

you mean the terrifying slam right? as in the tank hits

[wicked pollen]

there is a rotation to always live the hits

and its not 2 shield wall

[nimble grail]

Ok

[wicked pollen]

^

[ionic fern]

Absolutely. They happen like 35-40 seconds apart.

[nimble grail]

Alright

[violet ginkgo]

If you mean terrifying Slam, @nimble grail then those spellblock is 30 secs, you can block 2 of them just by single cast of spellblock. So you can SW the first then spellblock the 2nd and 3rd no big deal and later SW the 4th.

[nimble grail]

Then 2 SW prob better on keys level where u not sure of damage incoming from mobs

[nimble grail]

Alright yeah did not think one SB could block 2

Nice info

[ionic fern]

Only place 2 SW is better is when you do a really dangerous pull where you need them back to back to survive.

[nimble grail]

Is there any way i can find the cast timeline of bosses like spreadsheet or smtg ?

[ionic fern]

Logs.

[nimble grail]

Ikr

[wicked pollen]

or you can use not even close

shows timers

[nimble grail]

But idk if someone anywhere did any document to sum it all up in one spot

Like rcp with raid bosses

[nimble grail]

Like first one of NW ?

[cosmic canyon]

Spell Block for 30 seconds; this only affect direct, targetted damage from enemy mobs, or the whole shebang that's usually 'blockable' ?

[ionic fern]

I don't find that pull overly terrifying unless your dps are garbage.

[violet ginkgo]

In the pinned post alongside reflect sheet.

[ionic fern]

But that would be one example,yes.

[violet ginkgo]

Mwahi will recommend you to read that sense's document and somewhat memorize it.

[ionic fern]

Okay,i'll read it and memorise it.

[wicked pollen]

mwahi how many punish do you think its normal to have on boss

like 4-6

[violet ginkgo]

I mean...I don't think there is normal or not, usually average on 3? you can get more if you are thane and got that burst of power where you spam SS

afterall it will depend on our RNG SS reset too.

[nimble grail]

The one on pins ?

[wicked pollen]

yeah

[ionic fern]

3 is "average" i suppose.

Sometimes 4-6

[wicked pollen]

im checking not even close but the slam isnt there, but realistically the only thing that can probably kill you is the beam first boss

let me check mdt damage

[violet ginkgo]

anyway @ionic fern may I got tips on Arakara first pull since it is a long path? Do we just take those hit from behind as probably you will charge + leap or something? Like it is inevitable hit?

[ionic fern]

The first few mobs dont hit hard. Double charge + leap will get you far enough later.

Dstance ,and if in panic also SW.

Ideally you wouldn't get hit in the back a lot.

[wicked pollen]

mwahi do you know if mdt uses old or new dungeon scaling

[nimble grail]

Anyone knows if intervene is of any use on 2nd boss of Grim Batol when dps have the pools to drop on the end of the Swords phase ? Can it cancel dammage the same way it does on first boss of NW ?

[wicked pollen]

they arent being targetted by something that can be intervened?

not an attack or hardcast spell, just a debuff no?

also it would make more sense to use it when the aoe is coming out not puddle

[nimble grail]

Like the raid dammage when he forges any weapon ?

[wicked pollen]

if you are playing the absorb talent in thane yeah

free shield

[nimble grail]

Yes

Okay

[main dove]

So with the new changes to thane, is it worth to swap out thorim's might for more frequent strikes or we just play the same way/play colossus?

[sweet summit]

just run on mount you'll be fine

[vale karma]

tell that to dps who randomly start dpsing when you haven't finished your pull...

[sweet summit]

let them die

[vale karma]

so you have to run back to save them

[sweet summit]

fuck em

[blazing condor]

u can do that now

?

[vale karma]

true I suppose 😄

[sweet summit]

if you ask nicely

[unkempt hazel]

🤨

[merry sluice]

i watched a frost dk fucking kill himself on the first pull lol

didnt abom on pull (?)
aboms when the spiders are about to pop and eventually ends up with all of them ontop of him

pop

eventually one actually exploded un CC'd and nuked him

[wicked pollen]

deserved

[merry sluice]

it was kinda ufnny lol

[shy frost]

Any takes for Unbound Changeling trink for prot?

[urban portal]

Doesn’t it give intelligence

[shy frost]

Ah, the main stat does not change with the food? Haha

Jeeez

[ionic nimbus]

More Int = More 5head-routes, just do it

[shy frost]

./has left the chat

[merry sluice]

me warrior
hit thing hard
no inte enter. intel. intlect.
enemy die.
I eat crayon

[shy frost]

Ug ug

[merry sluice]

g g

[dense hill]

Forever arms warrior switching to prot to raid tank for remainder of season. Probably not CE but we push, 8/9 season 3 e.g, what's a solid write up/guide on prot warr gameplay loop/theory to check out.

[orchid gulch]

Think the icy veins and wowhead guides have the rotation summarised pretty neatly.

Else, shield block up, then press buttons.

[ionic nimbus]

Wowhead Guide by Nome in combination with sheet from Sense (Both should be pinnen) are fine for everything you need

[dense hill]

Fair enough, thanks and thanks. How different can one zug be from another zug, ykno?

[orchid gulch]

I'd say around 50k.

Depending on whether you roll Thane or Colossus.

[zealous goblet]

is that.. a profile pic change?

what happened

[merry sluice]

uhh

no same pfp in here

if it looks different u might be on mobile versus desktop

mobile app sucks and doesn't show discord-specific pfps properly

[zealous goblet]

huh

[vale karma]

when doing a dungeorous pull (in 10+), like the the 2nd miniboss in Dawnbreaker, the one with 2 adds that you have to drop on top off. The opening should be something like Demo Shout + shield block? Cause I got pretty much one shot there yesterday

from 0 rage

[fierce pier]

i have played 3 different tank

[zealous goblet]

open with a shield charge if not enough distance to charge, open with a charge otherwise

[fierce pier]

i tell you thats not enough on +12 lol

[zealous goblet]

and yeah pop a shield wall

you're a mitigation tank

you need that shield block up asap

[vale karma]

you pretty much have to drop on top of them I think, to not pull anything else

[zealous goblet]

ye so drop a shield charge

you can do it right ontop of them

gives you initial aggro, gives you shield block, gives you starter rage

[vale karma]

right, I was only thinking about stun part or damage

[zealous goblet]

and pop a shield block

[vale karma]

thanks

[zealous goblet]

np man

remember shield wall

is a 50-60 sec cd realistically

because of rage spend and shield slam

so it's really always a good call

for anything you suspect smells fishy

[merry sluice]

yeah it deoenst matter what tank im on
fuck that mob in paticular

[vale karma]

idk how you guys do 12s, 10s are already stressing me out 😄

[fierce pier]

they hurt a fucking lot

[merry sluice]

THE SECRET

is that i hate myself 🙂

[silent sphinx]

which classes can skip packs?

i know we got stealth, shadow priest has something im not sure what

[zealous goblet]

i only do 10s rn

remember we're missing on average 20 ilvls worth of shit still so 12 can be cozy in a month or so

[fierce pier]

when i run with bear i feel like im dying in big pulls even with incarn up,you have like 15-16 stacks of iron fur, STILL im dying

bears used to rotate mangle and thrash

its thrash ->frenzy regen sometimes lol

[vale karma]

it's only 10 ilvl realistically no? If you are 620 atm. since max gear is 636, but that would that months to get from vault @zealous goblet

[zealous goblet]

max gear is 639

[vale karma]

oh right, crafted is 636 sry

[zealous goblet]

but anyways, the point stands still

lots of growth still

so no sweat!

[merry sluice]

TAKE A PAGE OUT OF THE RYZE MAINS

EVERY TANK SHOULD THROW

BRICK EVERY KEY UNTIL BLIZZARD BUFFS US ALL

WHOOOOO

tank strike! brick every key across the board!!

[blazing condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[graceful kite]

what

[vale karma]

is it worth popping spell block on 1st boss of Kara to stack puddles more neatly? 😄

[jagged pier]

no u can just stuter step

[graceful kite]

people are underusing stepping inside boss hitbox and spreading them around it

you get first burst step inside the hitbox then to the side and then back

[jagged pier]

ppl under utilies space

[graceful kite]

nioce small square pattern

[jagged pier]

u can stand on the edge of the platorm

[graceful kite]

I did arakara as dps yesterday and people shitting in middle oh god

crawlers running in a sea of webs

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/ryze-leagueoflegends-hacks-gragase-itsmytimetoshine-gif-19218809

[wicked pollen]

have you ever heard of ryze parodies?

its peak r/ryzemains

[merry sluice]

the fake ryze rework trailers are great

[wicked pollen]

nono

look in #music

[outer helm]

I’m assuming the upcoming rage nerf from 10 to 8 on thunder blast changes nothing right?

[jagged pier]

correct

[outer helm]

Thanks

[jagged pier]

oh no actually tank dead, might as well reroll

[vale karma]

okay 😦 rerolling to prot paladin, it's also prot so must be good?

[indigo scaffold]

Warrior tank ded shaman tank incoming

[jagged pier]

[deft hinge]

Lets follow, like the sheeps we are!!!

[wicked pollen]

[vale karma]

I wonder if blizz will add some extra ways to get myth gear towards the end of the season? Or if I wanna try a different tank in a month I won't be able to gear him until the end of the season

and I am assuming you won't get invited without 630 + 😄

[jagged pier]

i mean getting myth track aint hard now

[strong forum]

gearing is significantly slower than in DF

cuz 2 extra myth tracks and the last 2 steps of hero track also cost myth crests and not only heroic crests

thats 4 extra myth track steps, and myth track gear only comes from weekly vault and myth raid

[strong forum]

nah if you want to play multiple characters you gotta do so from the start of the season, otherwise itll be a PAIN in the ass to farm crests and stones

thats why i started this season with 3 characters, now 4

2 warriors 1 shaman 1 evoker

theyre all 615+ with main being 625

and my alts only clear heroic raid, no keys

[round pendant]

Gearing sucks rn

[unkempt hazel]

[vale karma]

it's not hard, but depending on luck you migh only get 1 piece every 2 weeks or so 😄

[round pendant]

The vast majority of people doing M+ can't do a +10, is that not considered difficult?

Sure it's easy for experienced players and premades but it's objectively not easy considering only a minority of players are clearing 10s rn

[unkempt hazel]

I like to think I can do 10's

I just cant get into them

[round pendant]

Run your own key and then have someone brick it

Depletion needs to be removed

[unkempt hazel]

I cant

[jagged pier]

difficulty is relative

but to get myth track u literally do content

at the base lvl thats very easy

theres not a tone fo specs or roles or ppl

u need to get it

u can pug to get myth track

that is 'easy' to obtain

[round pendant]

The content you're doing to unlock the vault slot is not easy

Sure it's logistically easier than getting 20 people for a mythic raid

[jagged pier]

no

[vale karma]

I feel like it's not that that hard to DO a 10, it's timing it is the issue

might take 2 hours tho

[jagged pier]

theres like 1500 guild that are 3/8

that far less than the amount of 10s being done in terms of players

its like 2k guild that are 1/8 and up

same thing

[unkempt hazel]

are first bosses harder than usual

[jagged pier]

nope

[unkempt hazel]

[jagged pier]

less ppl mythic raid

[round pendant]

Yeah, and I said that m+ 10s are easier to get than mythic raids

[jagged pier]

with each expansion

i mis read i guess

but im not talking about lvls of difficulty like mythic or 10s

[unkempt hazel]

I found first 3-4 mythic bosses in df easier than 10's

[vale karma]

if only they allowed us to pug mythic raids... but no! bullshit lockout system is all we get

[jagged pier]

running a key

[unkempt hazel]

[vale karma]

first bosses are def puggable

[jagged pier]

is an easy process

[jagged pier]

u can there are plenty of discords/communities out there for mythic pugs that use the same lock out with the same team

[round pendant]

That's barely even a pug at that point

[hazy bronze]

Interesting question: if it originally started as a pug, but runs again, is it no longer a pug? 🤔

[round pendant]

I'd say after 2 runs with the same group of people it's not a pug anymore

[zealous goblet]

this is gonna sound iwld

any idea why my action bars are being schizophrenic

[round pendant]

I gotta say I hate the CC change

I can't carry crappy dps players who don't kick anymore

[zealous goblet]

i just want demolish on x for one talent tree, and spell block on x for my mythic talents

but it wont save

;-;

[round pendant]

uh make sure you haven't ticked "Use Shared Action Bars" or whatever on the preset

[zealous goblet]

i did

[merry sluice]

uuuhhhhh game bad tbh

[vale karma]

I don't get it, they changed this to make people not pull big, and then they also added 15s death timer for the same thing?

feels super punishing

also missing interrupts due to micro stuns is fun

also why do half the mobs have two different schools of casting, so when you interrupt one they just start another cast 😄

[round pendant]

It feels really fucking bad

stunning is actually griefing now

unless it's a pack with a few channels

[zealous goblet]

what cc change

[vale karma]

CC not stopping casts @zealous goblet

[zealous goblet]

as in they still go through or they just instantly retry after the cc falls off?

[vale karma]

2nd

[zealous goblet]

oh i honestly feel like its nbd

[vale karma]

well the issue is you go for important interrupt but then someone stuns the mob

the interrupt goes on cd and he just recasts

[round pendant]

getting huge utility out of shockwave, aoe fear, stormbolt in m+ was a huge part of why I liked prot war

[barren charm]

is foul behemoth's chelicera worth using at all? i have heroic swarmlord and mythich behemoth's.

[jagged pier]

Sim

I run a hc one as it simmed highest out of my trinkets for me

[orchid gulch]

It's not bad, at least. But there definitely better choices around.

[wide escarp]

Any WA packs you guys recommend?
I usually try Afenar's, but it seems so unorganized for prot.

[jagged tide]

Hijacks are the best for me, using on all chars

[vale karma]

Quazzi has good UI imo, WA and everything

[dusky sentinel]

I liked the cc change cause I do feel people are better at interrupts now. In DF my grps got so used to me locking down all the adds. Now they have to interrupt. Win

[wide escarp]

Quazzi's looks great to me, I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

[long bone]

Anyone else pretty disappointed with our consumables this expansion? Flask is OK, but then instead of a weapon stone we have this Algari Mana Oil that just gives measly amounts, enchants that arent as exciting as dragonflight

[jagged pier]

can live without consumes not being in the game tbh

[graceful kite]

what was exciting about dragonflight enchants

[jagged pier]

dont use them in keys

[hardy snow]

imo they are boring, because they're the same as in DF

[graceful kite]

consumes exist now to make people buy tokens

[hardy snow]

only good change is food persisiting through death without embelishment

[graceful kite]

so they wont go away

[round pendant]

Crafting too

[graceful kite]

yea

all profession revamps are made to make people buy tokens

perma rune is gone too

[round pendant]

And ingame money making is only viable for the first few weeks

Love it

Such good game design

[hardy snow]

its not

[graceful kite]

cuz you know liquid need 1200 pulls to clear a raid+occasional deaths

[round pendant]

yes it is

Unless you think 40k/hr is viable

[graceful kite]

1200x22 runesx2000 gold

[vale karma]

they will make it back with carries anyways, so it's community who ends up paying for those

[round pendant]

The game's economy is explicitly designed around making everything less viable than buying a token

[wide escarp]

i dont farm, i buy tokens, but 40k for an hour seems sustainable unless youre pushing top keys

[graceful kite]

and people who buy carries will buy those tokens

[vale karma]

y, that's what I meant

[hardy snow]

even on first days of expansions tokens offers better gold than ingame methods

[graceful kite]

in the end someone is paying blizz money

[vale karma]

well tbf I watched some dedicated crafter youtubers and they are making insane gold, like millions in a day

but for those of us who don't wanna engage with htis, you are pretty muched forced to buy tokens

[graceful kite]

I did mil a day before season start

[vale karma]

or do carries

if you are good enough for that (I am not :D)

[hardy snow]

You can also do some flips, its pretty good money, but if you're not good in this, you can lose alot.

[round pendant]

It's still 5 hours to buy a token that costs <1 hour of having a job

It's literally setup to feel miserable to do anything that isn't buying a token lmao

[graceful kite]

wod consumables were the best for players

everything was dirt cheap

legion was good in 7.2 I guess

[round pendant]

Also that 40k is crashing hard, I doubt it's even that much rn

[graceful kite]

I cant remember the patch they introduced blue cheap potion

[vale karma]

you don't 40k hour gathering anymore

prices on herbs have crushed (

[graceful kite]

going to raid after wod and seeing flasks being 4k+ gold and potions 2k+ was insane

[vale karma]

you had garrison in wod tho

[round pendant]

I just farm hard at the first week of an expansion to get enough gold to last the rest of the expansion for my char

[graceful kite]

and wow token in wod was like 30k gold

[vale karma]

free money so who cares

[round pendant]

but it means I can't craft gear for my alts

[graceful kite]

so it was insane

[dusky sentinel]

Alot of complaining today guys. Its the same as always to be fair. And we're all here cause we enjoy the game

[graceful kite]

its not the same

we're discussing new features aka incentives to buy tokens

[vale karma]

eh, should we sit here and praise the game? 😄 not much to do other then to answer / ask questions and complain

[wide escarp]

thats true, but also not everyone works a job and has extra money for a token

[dusky sentinel]

U scroll back this discord 10 years ago someone had the same convo

[wide escarp]

and maybe they like farming too

[round pendant]

Thank you for your insightful comment

[graceful kite]

because token was introduced 10 years ago I guess

was wod 10 years ago holy crap

[wide escarp]

stop talking, making me feel old

[vale karma]

at least we are not in SL with legendaries literally designed to make you swipe or get fucked @graceful kite

what was the max ilvl legendary, like 500k?

[orchid gulch]

[round pendant]

Yeah that's true, but it's not viable for those people either because like I said, after a month of the expansion being out it's gonna take them 10s of hours to farm a token, unless they get lucky with some insane transmog drop from an old dungeon

[graceful kite]

don't think ive spent 500k on a leggo

[hardy snow]

If crafting an item that gives less than 1% power "forces" someone to buy token to afford this craft, I think the issue is not in the game design.

[graceful kite]

but price wasnt cheap

[graceful kite]

you go into raid or m+ you need consumables and enchants

rank 3 enchants are 10k-30k

[round pendant]

If progging that 1% makes a significant difference if your entire raid has it

[hardy snow]

and diff between r2 and 3 enchant is like 6-7k dps

[round pendant]

and r2 isn't much cheaper lmao

[hardy snow]

you get enough gold by playing the game to afford r2 consumables

[round pendant]

what fucking game are you playing

[vale karma]

you don't get any gold for playinmg the game

[round pendant]

I make literally negative gold from m+ and raids

[graceful kite]

I think not enchanting yourself and not bringing consumables to any m+ or raid is an insult to others

[vale karma]

do you mean questing or what?

[round pendant]

sure if you spend an hour doing all the world quests you might break even

I'd rather rip my balls off

[orchid gulch]

Then you don't open enough m+ chests with gold in them.

[round pendant]

50 gold?

[vale karma]

53

!

[orchid gulch]

54.76*

[round pendant]

Damn that 53 gold that doesn't even pay for the repairs from just using my gear

[vale karma]

how did they come up with that number btw?

[round pendant]

keys should give like 50-100 gold per key level on completion

[vale karma]

what was the conversation lol

[graceful kite]

btw it was better before because disenchanting was actually refunding a lot

[hardy snow]

I just play and enjoy the game, don't focus on getting gold or farm something. Since start of expansion I've bought 2 tokens for gold, Ive got crafts and Im still 600k in plus

[orchid gulch]

They threw darts and it was the winning number.

[graceful kite]

and now crystals are 20 gold

[vale karma]

what content are you doing?

[graceful kite]

in df you slammed some m+ got gear and d/ed it for 10k sum which gave you back the gold spent

[hardy snow]

All of it, raids, dungeons, quests, PvP

I just play and enjoy WoW, almost all of it.

[vale karma]

am I missing something? you get negative gold from raids and dungeons

pvp not sure, does it give gold?

[graceful kite]

And game is made so you enjoy it if you give blizzard extra 40 bucks on top of buying expansions and paying a sub

[round pendant]

This fallacious argument is annoying

[orchid gulch]

Some, I think. But in almost any content you bleed gold and will eventually have to farm or preferably buy a token.

[round pendant]

I'm not "not enjoying" wow because I don't want to do content that doesn't interest me to make gold

[vale karma]

there is no way you get 1mn gold by just playing with no professions

has to be some carries or whatever

[round pendant]

I shouldn't need to go spend an hour farming some random shit just to fund my m+ and raids (the main content that appeals to me)

and 10s of hours to get a crafted weapon

[graceful kite]

boosting m+ in communities or raid carries with guild only

nothing else gives gold

[vale karma]

sell ara kara tirnket for 1mn xd

[hardy snow]

There is content in game that gives gold and content that requires spending some gold.

[vale karma]

saw a reddit post yesterday

[graceful kite]

what content gives gold

[hardy snow]

If you play only 2nd, dont complain you have to spend gold lol.

[graceful kite]

except for weekly cache with 1-2k

[round pendant]

Jawor no offense either you're really dense or just arguing in bad faith

[vale karma]

quests!

just do quests

[round pendant]

"gives gold" yeah, like a few k gold an hour unless it's a targetted farm and you might get 20k/hr

[graceful kite]

there's 1 world quest on the whole expansion map and it gives 800 gold

[round pendant]

So if I want to craft weapons for my alts (requires r3 mats), enchants, gems, etc

[graceful kite]

it wont cover 1 m+ run

[round pendant]

I have to spend 50x more time farming gold than doing the content that I actually like

[hoary pivot]

Regarding the Oppressive Orrators trinket: It is listed as a very good trinket in the guide, but it does not further talk about its usage. Do we just send it on CD and don't care about the lost stacks and thus main stat uptime? Or do we just never send / only on high stacks? Did not find anything about that and I assume there is some assumption that was used to sim it.

[zealous goblet]

I mean. It's not bad that we're being squeezed either, yknow. The inflation is something to address

[hardy snow]

So... what would you like? M+ to give 10k per run or what would be the solution in your opinion?

[neon elk]

U can farm which can net u some nice sum, but thn again, u could also just work irl and buy token and have more ..

[vale karma]

I mean it would be nice if it gave more then 50 gold, whe nrepaining can be 800+

[graceful kite]

I try sending it on cd and delaying if I have high stacks and doing some potted/bl pull

[round pendant]

m+ could give like 2k gold per completion and it would be fine

[zealous goblet]

Make "gold" off professions as taxes and comissions whittle it down a bit

[orchid gulch]

Just buy a token, let someone else farm for you, and give daddy ActiBlizz some extra money extra, to your sub. All good.

[hoary pivot]

Doing that means earning less than three bucks per hour for doing something that is pretty painful, might really consider doing something else that is painful but pays better and just buy tokens at that point

[zealous goblet]

It's not healthy if a game prints raw gold to an insane extent

[hardy snow]

But you realize that it would increase prices?

[vale karma]

that's his point @hoary pivot

[hoary pivot]

So you are saying that you intentionally do not press it on high stacks even though they amplify the AoE burst?

[vale karma]

game is designed in a way where the most efficient way is to just buy token

[round pendant]

Yeah exactly. I'm simply arguing that the game is designed to make it painful if you can't/won't buy tokens lol

[graceful kite]

I delay it

Like imagine you are on 6 stacks and you're in a big pull where you send bl and your cds

that strength actually defensively benefits you and offensively because you have a potion up bl up cds up

[neon elk]

Tbf u can spend 1hour a week to fund consumables for week .. crafts are different story

[hardy snow]

Isn't that on BL you would get stacks back again faster?

[hoary pivot]

stacking has a CD iirc

[graceful kite]

I'm saying you can start this pull with those stacks

and use it after your cds and

[round pendant]

Crazy how OSRS has a healthy economy and gold is reasonably farmable and you can just play the game and even save up enough to buy membership with ingame gold

yet people say it's impossible in wow

???

[graceful kite]

or stuff is closer to dying

[vale karma]

what

OSRS peope are crying 24 / 7 about bots ruining the econmy

where only the very high end htings are actually profitable and mid game players are fucked

[graceful kite]

only people defending it are people who think its fine that game is monetized worse than a gacha

[round pendant]

Don't listen to redditors, they're literally wrong

[graceful kite]

while being an AAA ip

[round pendant]

Sure, if you buy bonds for your membership it cuts into your progression

but it's still completely viable to play the game and make gp and buy bonds to keep playing

I did it for YEARS

You can't do that on wow unless you spend 8 hours a day farming, especially later in the expansion where the economy just dies

[twilit lagoon]

Hey guys, new to prot warr. Is there a WA/Addon that gives a warning when a spell is reflectable in m+?

[wicked pollen]

boosting?

just do 7s

make 100k each one

[orchid gulch]

There should be a list by sense in the pins.

[round pendant]

people are paying 100k for +7 boosts?

Also, that's still money acquired via someone buying a token, it's just not me purchasing the token

[wicked pollen]

better than not having gold

10s are double that

[round pendant]

Yeah my point is just gold in this game isn't viable unless tokens are involved

[wicked pollen]

sorry

3x

xd

[twilit lagoon]

Thanks, found it. But there is no WA that calls it for you?

[neon elk]

Also boosting isnt "that" easy unless u have full group for that , if u do it via comunity u just sit there in DC waiting for offer and spaming , hoping u will be first one to get position

[round pendant]

I don't think anyone's bothered making one. You could add the spells to Plater with sound effects for it

[orchid gulch]

None that I know of. There's usually only a few spells per dungeon where it's worthwhile to specifically reflect them.

Worst case scenario, you take less damage. Best case scenario, you do damage. Press spell reflect.

I just never looked into a WA for it, but I'm sure there's one out there.

[twilit lagoon]

Ok, thanks a lot guys! ✌️

[halcyon orchid]

Search for "spell reflect essentials"

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

[orchid gulch]

Just don't see the point in it, in 90% of the cases you try to reflect something and one DPS finds the mythical interrupt button for that one spell.

[jagged pier]

i mean ppl also send sr on the wrong thing due to these weakauras

[halcyon orchid]

True, however always worth pressing for a free 2.5 million damage

[fluid pasture]

keep in mind in dawnbreaker it says you can spell reflect the frontals that mobs spam, you can’t, don’t get one shot.

[wicked pollen]

^

I have it because I play dps

[jagged pier]

i mean ppl worse missing millions worth of damage because of the weakaura too

its better to know the bigs

what mobs and packs etc

then just use it on cd around them

[fluid pasture]

didn’t know i could reflect splice @ final boss of city of threads until i got that wa, it has its ups and downs

[jagged pier]

as 20% magic dr on a 20 second cd is busted

[orchid gulch]

It's on a 20 sec CD. If there's no massive reflect in the group, press spell reflect.

[jagged pier]

we have the sheet

read the sheet

[wicked pollen]

reading too hard

🙂

[fluid pasture]

read sheet or have bar on screen

[halcyon orchid]

Reading?? I see bar and spell go brrr

[neon elk]

Read the sheet add spell manualy into plater, then add voice to it so even your dead brain can press sr at right spell ezpz win

[halcyon orchid]

Both work either way. You learn by habit which spells are best to reflect

[round pendant]

was spell reflect always a 20s cooldown

Damn I've not been using it enough

especially this season

[jagged pier]

used to be 25

[halcyon orchid]

Not always think DF season 3 they knocked it down to 20 secs.

I've been training my guild to use it with all the fury warrior rerolls

[sweet summit]

fury rerollers

[jagged pier]

rerollers

[fluid pasture]

[wicked pollen]

in aug prison

[silent sphinx]

I've been running fury for some raids with my guild cause our tank slots are full and someone told me yesterday i should be dual weilding 2h weapons instead of 1h ._.

[wicked pollen]

yes

[unkempt hazel]

[silent sphinx]

it made a very substantial improvment to the DPS, i pretended to dc and went away crying and eating ice cream

[wicked pollen]

happens

[jagged pier]

i mean SMF has builds

they arent that far behind titas grip

[wicked pollen]

titas grip

i like it

[jagged pier]

but they will never be better cause u have spend talents to get to SMF

because its not baseline for some reason

[wicked pollen]

deserved

[sweet summit]

kill smf

with hammers

[jagged pier]

no

it should be baseline or a tmog option

[wicked pollen]

i think the only situation where smf has been viable is pservers

[jagged pier]

not some half assed

talent

[unkempt hazel]

real

[jagged pier]

that u dont ever take

[deft mortar]

Did 930k overall dps in NW 10

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Getting there!

[neon elk]

Has anyone done over 1m as thane ?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[grim pilot]

Yes

[strong forum]

Yes

[neon elk]

So it is possible, okej xd

[grim pilot]

My highest so far was 1.1

[strong forum]

My highest was 1.2mil as Colossus 1.1m as thane

But that was before I had 626 weapon

Haven't really gone ham since I got my weapon

[grim pilot]

I usually play with a rogue

So cant chain

[strong forum]

Having shaman is vital for big oomph

Skyfury alone is like 35k dps

[neon elk]

I guess sham and perhaps ww ? Idk how good evokers are realy

[strong forum]

Aug is cheating

[grim pilot]

Ye

Its not your dps

[strong forum]

With Aug I could prolly rip 1.5mil easy

On detailz

[neon elk]

But logs do separate them not ?

[sharp gale]

My best overall is 1.2, in NW ofc

[grim pilot]

Yes they do

[strong forum]

Logs do, but still nto perfectly AFAIK

[neon elk]

I see

[sharp gale]

They do but you can’t use logs to see if Aug is useful in a raid lel

[neon elk]

I still dont even know if they are or not usefull in m+ but for now i avoid most of them

[sweet summit]

they're turbo fake in lower keys but the higher you go and the more coordinated you get the better they are

[sharp gale]

I avoid random pug Augs except if he has 2.9 Rio

[grim pilot]

Idk i dont look at rio

Just at ilv

[tulip warren]

i would prefer to get a full on dps

[grim pilot]

Also most augs are passengers

[sharp gale]

I prefer full dps

[grim pilot]

Theyre getting a pass since theyre augs

To get invited

[tulip warren]

they might until you question why that boss is not dying fast enough

[sharp gale]

But every X key, I have this thought : « maybe it’s not as bad now »

Like I took a hunt BM in a 10 bc he had kinda good score for a bm just to update my feelings

[deft mortar]

Yall gotta remember your overall dps depend a lot on your groups single target dps too

Faster boss fights = more of your overall is your 2M aoe

[zealous goblet]

holy shit grandpa we adding z to the end of words again? is it 2005?

slay queeenzzzzz

woooooot!

[deft mortar]

Bruh Nomeratur is here 24/7, 12 months a year, any expansion

Only name I remember

[hoary pivot]

@strong forum do you know under which assumptions the trinket was simmed for the guide?

[strong forum]

The sim uses it just on cd, past the first use it averages to be used with 4 stacks

What I personally suggest in how to use it, is when you pull, to wait a few seconds see if you get any procs of it early, then send it

[hoary pivot]

kk, thanks. if it sims well when used on CD, I guess we are good no matter what

[strong forum]

Or send it just after cds

But I would absolutely track the stacks of it

[hoary pivot]

i wonder how it sims when just not used at all and chainpulling a lot

[strong forum]

It would come out slightly worse than egg-sac I'd guess

[hoary pivot]

i do (good guy WA does it automatically)

[hoary pivot]

i meant in comparison to using it, meaning if it is actually better to press outside of situations where you really need aoe burst

[strong forum]

But larynx is absolutely a blaster trinket, very fun to use imo

It has bfa-split, so it's better on ST than aoe

But it still does get stronger on aoe

Up to 175% of its ST dmg

I wouldn't just use it on cd, I would use it based on stacks and pull count

[hoary pivot]

but you assume that it is generally worth pressing and not just keeping the mainstat as long as possible?

worth pressing at all i mean

vs just pressing W, chaining and keeping main stat

[strong forum]

Well yeah the stacks fall off after 30sec

Independently

So whenever you got a 4 or 7 stacker, that's an easy send it

That's some big damooj if you can snipe a 7stacker

Sadly I couldn't get my hands on it thus far since I hadn't done city of threads in like 3 weeks

[hoary pivot]

i run Larynx and Egg-Sac right now

all Hero track though, not Myth

[gritty eagle]

personal picks for m+ bis trinkets? sac-brood + skarmorak/khardros/swarmlord?

[hoary pivot]

see above, larynx and sacbrood have felt best together until now

[sweet summit]

i'm a big fan of this combo too

[hoary pivot]

mainstat just smoothes out everything pretty well

[gritty eagle]

@hoary pivot oh, didnt think you were necessarily talking about bis trinekts, interesting

[strong forum]

I'm running transmitter + skarm shard rn

[sharp gale]

Im using sacbrood+ skarmorak bc vault gave me skarm

[strong forum]

Love having a big dmg buff trinket for every single pull

[neon elk]

I prefer sac and sharmorak because one is passice the other is bound to spear and i can forget about minmax using them

[strong forum]

In this household we send

[neon elk]

Yea but even with larynx i would need another bind, its 2m cd right?

[sweet summit]

yep and yep

[neon elk]

Thats an extra work, but might try it eventualy , iirc i have hero one in bank

[strong forum]

I have trinket 1 bound to ctrl+1 and trinket 2 bound to ctrl+2

Soo

Very easy to manage

[hoary pivot]

as long as you are not running double passive, you need some trinket bind anyways

my active trinket bind is 🅱️

[sharp gale]

I have a macro use 13 use 14 and just press the same when I want to activate the other trinket

[neon elk]

Not when i bind it to a spell

[hoary pivot]

you can do that, but i would generally recommend to get comfy with actually controlling all your abilities

it does not take too long to get used to it

[neon elk]

Binding it to spear has no real downside so , so far i have no reason to use it as separate

[sharp gale]

Like on my fury spec I have recklessness+avatar+trinket macro

[hoary pivot]

unless you have a situation where e.g. spear's binding ability is why you use it to save the run, or your trinket would be overkill in the current pull, but useful at the beginning of the next pull

[sharp gale]

Even if I spear for binding I would ravager to not desync them so i use my trinket to do more dmg and not desync it too

[twilit lagoon]

Pretty sure there is at least one guy that did all the work and could share his profile 😁

[neon elk]

It takes like 10 minuts to setup there isnt that many important casts on you

The generic ones i didnt do, i just watch bars, just those slashes in mists or gb and lava fist etc..

[violet ginkgo]

The thing is I don't trust pug to not attack those XD better apply a bit of aggro.

you know that kind of long pull their finger is itchy

[neon elk]

I just split it in half , it might not be most efective, but it sure is safer

[void wadi]

new to tanking, how do u all place beams on heroic 2nd boss?

[sharp gale]

I didn’t bother doing smth, I see the lava fist, anima slash, shadow flame dots in grim or « wow that’s a lot of bolts you got here » i just press SR

[frank hamlet]

Easy way is just to stand opposite the other tank taking the cone

@void wadi

[void wadi]

okk thx

[neon elk]

Yea that also works , but im usualy on DC chating and i found myself forgeting to use it on those importsnt ones

[sharp gale]

Grim shadow flames dots hurts a lot and if you reflect it does a number putting you first dps sometimes

Im talking about the type of adds in packs front of lava fist boys

[neon elk]

Yea before those i just pop on cd pretty much , always works and even if not that one bolt isnt killing me unless i screw up something else . Its those big mofo hits i usualy forgot because my mind see slash and think its not reflecatble for som reason, then in combination with chating on dc.. yea i need a reminder xd

[ornate thicket]

The beams always go left and right 90 degrees from boss front. So his shoulders. You want the side going down to kill far most left add if facing boss. Plant beam in middle of adds if they are split apart or just on other side of them if they are clumped to allow down group to kill before beam comes all the way around.

Tldr
Beams travel counter clockwise
Beams spawn from boss shoulders out

[sharp gale]

If you want a picture, if adds are separated you just go more to your right to include them / to shorten the time they can’t be attacked

[void wadi]

thx this is very helpful

[sharp gale]

If the « far » add is at the opposite, you would put the beam « almost on them » like a little bit before green and blue but it’s more a MM thing

[neon elk]

Also good tip which nobody said me on first runs was that things like blind heroleap lock gate etc can get you through laser , so if u happen to have locks in raid, even a misplaced beam isnt that big of an issue

[tribal sun]

Heroic leap can get through the laser?

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

no it cant

[sharp gale]

My experience is no

[lusty grotto]

blink yes

immunities yes

leap? hell no

[sharp gale]

And no, spell reflect doesn’t work

[dusky sentinel]

On my shaman. If I jump then gust of wind. I jump over. Maybe if u jump then heroic?

[sharp gale]

If I need to cross the beam means I did something REALLY wrong since I’m the tank

Like solo wipe wrong

[dusky sentinel]

Thats true. But hey. Its fun to know. Ill test tonight.

[sharp gale]

Maybe take BSV when you test it

Or ask a cr quick

[dusky sentinel]

Man. If it works it works. If it fails my game froze 😁

[sharp gale]

Like when I wanted to see if the portal kills me on kyveza

I got punished and didn’t get cr the entire fight

[violet jetty]

On the second boss? Yeah I use leap over the lasers all the time and it’s fine. Never take any damage. Weirdly another warrior in my group does it and goes splat. He’s a dwarf and I’m a night elf. Seems odd it could be a height thing but 🤷‍♂️

[neon elk]

I leaped it last week, like 3 times at least .

Didnt do it this week , but last it definitely worked

[neon elk]

Or the other tank ..

[sharp gale]

Took me 3 times in the same key to leap the last boss ara Kara grab

[sharp gale]

If the other tank fails, it’s on you too

[violet jetty]

Yeah that’s why I leap over the laser ^^ means I can stay on the shield add and not worry about interrupts.

[sharp gale]

You are able to communicate online

[neon elk]

Dude it was a hc pug, im glad people say "hi" there

[hardy snow]

If other tank fails, whole adds group is doomed and single leaping warrior won't fix it

[neon elk]

Point is, u are able to jump over, reason isnt important

[sharp gale]

Yeah the point is you can, but may be inconsistent and is a wipe if you fail and no cr

[toxic pewter]

if the beams are placed well never really any reason for us to leap a beam tbh

[neon elk]

I randomly jumped 3 times and it 3times worked , ye i might be lucky, but i see it as pretty consistent

[lusty grotto]

oh well

not like i would have to do it

ever

[sharp gale]

And yes if you go in pugs Tuesday evening 4-5 hours before server shut down, I can understand why pug is awful

[neon elk]

First weeks pugs are always awfull no matter the day

[sharp gale]

Wednesday evening you finish the raid in 1 hour-1 hour 30 in pug, (the curve only groups)

If you don’t have curve just lie and leave at ansurek

[nocturne spindle]

i have 100% leaped over the laser

it works

[umbral kernel]

even ansurek ? I'm not pugging this boss at all but ansurek in pug seems like absolute nightmare

[sharp gale]

Two weeks I pug the clear, around 1 h 7/8 and 5-10 wipes on ansurek, I said 1h30 bc Wednesday it took me 30 min to kill ansurek

[umbral kernel]

the fuck

well done lol

[sharp gale]

I solo wiped the second pull this week bc I never tanked the p3 and didn’t know the tank switch, it would have been a kill

[tribal wharf]

what keys do you guys dislike the most im curious

[nocturne spindle]

ansurek is way less chaotic in 10 man

[tribal wharf]

i have my biases, but, im curious what other ones gave you guys hell

[nocturne spindle]

10 man AOTC pugs have gone smoothly for me

[sharp gale]

I cleared the first time in 10 man pug it is really easier

[pastel remnant]

hey! if i got skarmorak shard , should i use it with avatar or time it with spear?

[jaunty jacinth]

Should go with avatar and shieldcharge

[pastel remnant]

thx

[neon elk]

Imo pair it with spear , same cd, avatar has variable cd and spear is more dmg than SC

[sharp chasm]

best trinket for prot? i got 5 trinkets in vault and i dont know what to choose....

[sharp gale]

Can you send your vault ?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims best

[unkempt hazel]

5 trinkets

[tribal wharf]

i will not take the yogi bait

me who never shuts up about trinkets and has about a dozen in bag

easier if you give us some context like the vault picture, or your character

[sharp gale]

I keep all ara Kara shoulders and gloves in my bag just to remember

[lusty grotto]

coughhoarderscough

[tribal wharf]

i gotta get rid of some of them

i can get rid of 2 of them

[nocturne spindle]

i mean theyre all stinky 606 trinkets

trash them all ez

[sharp gale]

Maybe the 554 ilvl one but I would keep it just in case

[lusty grotto]

coughHOARDERScough

[pallid quiver]

ha ha that's me

[tribal wharf]

i got plenty of bag space

wdym

[spiral compass]

I have question if someone has a second i’m 610ilvl with 2 pc no swarmlord i’m getting smacked in the 11 mists yesterday by double gaurdian pack i still only have 619 shield and weapon

[tribal wharf]

this is BEFORE using the bank and vendoring total junk

[spiral compass]

is it cd issue or ilvl issue

[lusty grotto]

use spell reflect

if its down

use spell block

read our sheet in the pins or in #protection-faq

[tribal wharf]

i got oodles of free bag space

[spiral compass]

i used @lusty grotto but they weren’t lining up there attacks

@lusty grotto i’ll check it out thank you sir

wouldn’t of been an ilvl issue than maybe i didn’t use spell block

[lusty grotto]

they will never line up anima slashes

they have anti-sync

you reflect one, spell block the other

next 2 come in, you still have spell block up

so spell block one, reflect the other

so on

no spell block? use wall

[spiral compass]

Thank you sir

appreciate it

[tribal wharf]

trinkets are a total wild card though

for any class

[lusty grotto]

no, they arent

[tribal wharf]

if you say so, everyone has a diferent effect

unless you boil it down to 1% more dps

[reef hazel]

Is using gilded crests to level hero gear bait 🤔🤔

[slender wedge]

which one is better, since none of them are in bis list lol (is all i have 😦 )

[lusty grotto]

not really

both are ass

[slender wedge]

😦

[lusty grotto]

use the hero one

[slender wedge]

Ty

[lusty grotto]

higher ilvl shrug

[waxen frigate]

Hi oomfies and uhhh nimchip I guess?

[lusty grotto]

you can use gilded crests already if youre not expecting a guaranteed drop for uppies

[unkempt hazel]

[lusty grotto]

for hero gear

[stable umbra]

anybody has working macro on intervene? in a way that it casts it on mouseover character model

[reef hazel]

Guess ill wait till my vault I'm sure I'll have a beautiful myth upgrade waitinfor me 🥹

[lusty grotto]

i fully sent mine on mandate

[unkempt hazel]

u guys get myth track

[reef hazel]

Think I'll do the same for my sacbrood

[unkempt hazel]

[reef hazel]

Inb4 myth sac in vault

[lusty grotto]

uhh

i suggest weapons/shields first

but mine were already maxed

[reef hazel]

I crafted both on myth

[lusty grotto]

ok then youre good

[reef hazel]

I mean 636

[fluid path]

So I’m new to port warrior learning, but doing keys 1-3 I was good using defense and stayed Alive, but I did a 4 was using defenses and everything and died a lot, is it due to me or the healers fault, everyone was dying but I usually don’t, ikno it’s not a whole lot of info to go off of but tryna get a general insight, ilvl 601 btw

[reef hazel]

Just run db, cot, mists & ara

[shrewd plinth]

You use plater? That’s probably one of your bigger tools for trying to assess what’s wrong

[unkempt hazel]

sir I can barely get into 7

[reef hazel]

Run your key?

[smoky anvil]

Make sure you’re keeping good shield block uptime, rotate your CDs, dump rage with ignore pain. Don’t take backshots from mobs. The heals shouldn’t be your make or break for living at that level.

[unkempt hazel]

im too much of a bitch for that

[lusty grotto]

lali you need to get your rat on

your letting me down

[tardy abyss]

Sounds like youre either not using your cds properly or dont use your rage - with that ilvl I tanked +7 keys with no issues

[reef hazel]

I just went up 1 key level at a time because I'm new to the game and worried about fucking shit up for people

So I ran 1 through 9 for everything lmao

[unkempt hazel]

[shrewd plinth]

You can see casts going off, you can see if dps are pulling threat and dying to melees. There’s some stuff that can track how much ignore pain you have so you don’t flood your pool and actually not get value in a lower key

[languid bane]

I use this to charge/intervene

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Charge
/cast Charge

[unkempt hazel]

I tend to skip a level tbf

so like 2-4-6 kind of thing

[reef hazel]

Yea tbf I probably did that up till 6 or so but then I went up 1 at a time

[unkempt hazel]

yeah das fair

[nocturne spindle]

if your dieing to a 4 you just didnt have shield block up

[frosty mango]

Sv12 makes me want to die

And frequently does make me die

[unkempt hazel]

I haven't done any m+ on warr tbf yet

just finally got him to 80

was surprised how little he struggled in 8 delve compared to brm

[lusty grotto]

man

my brann is hard stick in 49

how do people get him past 50

12s ??s idk whats going on

[unkempt hazel]

u doin bountifuls?

[lusty grotto]

i did with a few alts and he wasnt getting exp from the lootable things

[unkempt hazel]

🤔

weirdg

[tribal wharf]

bountiful delves come back all at once 30 minutes right

i need to plan out up to 4 delves, possibly 4 keys, then possibly all or most lfr

[unkempt hazel]

what is there to plan

go in and roll it

[tribal wharf]

well, if i can do 4 bountifull i probably will do those

i think i get the idea somehow that its 1 boutiful that comes back per day

[fluid path]

That’s kinda what I figured but Ikno I’m not perfect with the rotation yet, but hard to see where I’m doing feels like perfect on yo yo 3 then do a 4 and getting wrecked

[tropic tangle]

you could also just slam zekvir 4 times

no end loot, but you get t8 equivalent vault slots Yogi

[fluid path]

I’m still working on my rotation, keeping shield block up and using ignore pain and dt on every mob, but seems I need to work more on my rotation, new to prot so I see I need to work on it

[tardy abyss]

For the most part you just spam ignore pain like a madman, followed by shield slam and thunderclap - most of the time (in higher keys) you rotate your defensives so you have something up together with shield block

[lusty grotto]

dont spam IP

use only at 70+ rage

stop saying "spam IP"

[reef hazel]

I fucking hate SoB I feel like I'm going to hell trying to do this key on a 10 😭

[tribal sun]

no your finger should always be pressing ingore pain

[lusty grotto]

incorrect

only at 70+ rage

[tribal sun]

but counterpoint

big ass shield

[lusty grotto]

whether you consistently hit 70 rage fast or not depends on if youre playing correctly or not

[tardy abyss]

I said "for the most part" for a reason

[lusty grotto]

be specific then

[pallid quiver]

There's also ebbs and flows in rage gen; you're almost definitely actually spamming it while all CDs are down, ravager in particular, you're more methodical when no outburst, no CDs, ST/low mob count

[lusty grotto]

can be interpretted by mindlessly spamming

this is not productive for people that are getting used to the class

[tribal sun]

youre reading to for into it man

[lusty grotto]

im not

im well aware of what he means

[tardy abyss]

Nim is not wrong, I should have specified the cases where you need to be careful with rage

[lusty grotto]

all im saying is that if someone says "im still working on my rotation" chances are they dont know the intricacies of it

so its better to specify than to be vague, for their benefit

[molten gorge]

highly recommend IP goes on a mouse button personally since it's off the GCD

makes it a lot easier to just press when you see rage > 70 without interrupting you trying to focus on your rotation or whatever you're doing

[lusty grotto]

i use R 🤷

[molten gorge]

there's a whole science around keybinds

[tardy abyss]

I have it on 4 with shield slam on 1 and thunderclap on 3, works fine

[molten gorge]

like you don't want two actions you would press in a row to be on the same finger ideally

and since IP is off the GCD, it's almost impossible to make it a keyboard bind, and not break this rule

[tropic tangle]

with you on this one, was close last night but we screwed up the annoying third boss overlap

[unkempt hazel]

🤝

[mental hound]

So first large pull in SV. 3 or maybe 4grps. DPS sits back. How would you all pull this in higher keys? The 3pull I can do on a nine and things go fine (fort) the 4 pull goes wrong tho usually. Healer takes threat from a trailing mob.

[lusty grotto]

false

[smoky anvil]

🤝

[dawn geode]

R is universally my intRupt

[reef hazel]

I feel like specifically have been responsible for some stupid fucking bricks it hurts my souls

But then I've had people do equally fucking stupid shit so idk anymore, we all deserve each other

[molten gorge]

so you have ensured you don't ever use your index finger again after pressing IP?

[smoky anvil]

I use V for Very important kick

[lusty grotto]

?

[unkempt hazel]

z is my interrupt

[lusty grotto]

are your fingers that slow

[tropic tangle]

I mean, it's a learning opportunity. You just gotta take your mistakes and think about how to do better.

[molten gorge]

it's not about them being too slow, it's just not optimal

[dawn geode]

v is my universal taVnt

[lusty grotto]

well its false

[molten gorge]

you will never switch from index to index faster than index to thumb

etc

[lusty grotto]

cause i hit it just fine

[tropic tangle]

Shit that drives me wild is my 11 mists where the maze bugged out and sent half my group back to start

[unkempt hazel]

u wont ever guess what my taunt is

[lusty grotto]

"its impossible"

[tropic tangle]

kept everyone in combat so Guardians farmed some deaths from us

[dawn geode]

shift alt W

[smoky anvil]

Shift mouse button 4

[molten gorge]

it is impossible

[lusty grotto]

its not

[unkempt hazel]

that was sarcasm

[molten gorge]

?

[fluid path]

I’ve watched enough videos to kno the best probable time to use it and what not I have a weak aura for it and shield block,

[lusty grotto]

offgcds in keyboard are just fine

[molten gorge]

just use common sense

[lusty grotto]

im not sure why you think its impossible

[unkempt hazel]

its t... my taunt is t..

[lusty grotto]

maybe for you

[smoky anvil]

I don’t sarcasm, sorry

[dawn geode]

IP is T for me

[smoky anvil]

Based

[molten gorge]

you cannot press R and Y with your index finger simultaneously

[unkempt hazel]

[lusty grotto]

i dont have anything bound to Y

[molten gorge]

you can press R and V simultaneously with index and thumb f.e.

[smoky anvil]

C is for Charge, obviously.

[molten gorge]

R and 3 then

[unkempt hazel]

v is my big defensive button (universally)

[molten gorge]

there's lots of combos

[dawn geode]

MW up is my charge for me it makes sense

[molten gorge]

that you can't do at the exact same moment

[smoky anvil]

Shift space and control space.

[lusty grotto]

so?

[smoky anvil]

For me

[unkempt hazel]

sheesh

I have no space combos

[molten gorge]

it's fine to not have optimal keybinds, but it's definitely not optimal

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt mean its impossible

[molten gorge]

as I said, there's whole science around it

except it literally is impossible to press R and 3 with your index at the same time

[lusty grotto]

its fine to not be able to hit offgcd binds

[reef hazel]

I just feel like every part of siege demands constant attention, I guess that kinda just is mythic+ - 9s feel easy because it's periods of having to lock in, but 10s feel like I can't even have a momentary lapse of focus

[lusty grotto]

you have more fingers than just 1

holy shit

[molten gorge]

you do

[strong forum]

Press F to Ignore Pain

[molten gorge]

but as I said previously

[smoky anvil]

Despite being told I have piano fingers I don’t like stretching far so use a lot of shift and ctrl modifiers

[reef hazel]

But half the keys have felt fine at 10 so idk

[molten gorge]

ideally you don't wanto t use the same finger in succession

it's suboptimal