Dummies are not a good tester for trinkets. A lot of trinkets either don't work at all or are very shit against dummies.
#protection
warm plinth
graceful kite
i hate it
I really hate it and hate its design
that stat fluctuation is horrible losing stacks on use is horrible
sweet summit
i don't hate it
you have huge uptime on the strength buff
and the on use is spread damage so i only use it on bosses
strong forum
larynx is basically ara kara sac
but without static haste and instead the on-use dmg which gets buffed by 20% per stack you had of the buff when consumed
on average in sims the trinket consumes 4 stacks of its buff
tranquil charm
Swarmlord's Authority trinket is listed as C tier on wowhead trinket list but all top prot warriors use it
is it correctly rated?
shrewd ore
its the best defensive trinket right now
lament zealot
For 10+ keys is leech or avoidance better?
warm plinth
Avoidance is basically never better than leech for tanks. That being said, the only time tertiaries should come into your gearing decisions is if you're comparing two identical items
shrewd ore
leech
potent tree
Swarmlord's Authority trinket is listed as C tier on wowhead trinket list but al...
They use it because they are pushing 13s
lament zealot
Thanks. Mostly asking for the few enchants that give it
warm plinth
Ah, then yeah leech 100%
merry sluice
holy shit
trying to do keys on alts is actually miserable this season
step into anything thats not like at least a 9 and everyone is going to be utterly braindead
strong forum
Can't afford it
strong forum
Swarmlord's Authority trinket is listed as C tier on wowhead trinket list but al...
Cuz it's mostly trickle absorb and the trinket grants basically 0 dmg output.
Its mostly just hps padding doesn't really help you to survive big scary things
wicked pollen
mr nome ive been playing with bloodsurge and i feel tankier 
strong forum
It's the only tank trinket this season that does anything but it's still not a whole lot of useful things
remote tusk
looks at next week's timewalking trinkets
neon elk
Wait we have tw again?
warm plinth
There are so many TW events now that there's one like every other week
remote tusk
Wrath Timewalking, yes.
bleak breach
Is this for M+ build? I think I just got rid of intervene for it and use the multi stormbolt
bleak breach
I don’t think I’ve used intervene once, so dropped it.
warm plinth
In the words of my generation, intervene rules, aoe stormbolt drools
strong forum
Start using intervene it's op if used well
wicked pollen
sweet summit
insane external
wooden widget
I always take
strong forum
3 target stormbolt is useless 98/100 times
bleak breach
Hmmm, I might give it a go. Just didn’t really use it at all so was a wasted talent to me
sweet summit
it's always useful on first boss NW, can intervene the frontal to remove damage from the person targeted
strong forum
I use intervene on cd as thane
sweet summit
and with storm shield it's a great lil external
strong forum
Free magic absorb every 30 seconds
sweet summit
yeap
bleak breach
Who do you intervene? Just anyone?
wicked pollen
healer
bleak breach
I found it anyone to hit intervene then click the player.
sweet summit
whoever is in more danger
bleak breach
Annoying*
sweet summit
mouseover macro owns
wicked pollen
or someone being targeted with magic spell
bleak breach
Might be stupid, but will hitting intervene then clicking their party frame work?
bleak breach
Okay, I will give it a try. Might make a macro or 2.
I’m sure it will be okay once I get used to it.
strong forum
Who do you intervene? Just anyone?
Whoever is currently being targeted by a spell
bleak breach
If I intervene the other tank in raid during the tank buster do I get the debuff? I.e liquify on queen
strong forum
Yes
bleak breach
There goes that idea then, so more of a keystone thing
strong forum
Don't intervene your cotank unless you specifically want to eat their mechanic/melees
bleak breach
I could intervene to help with the dot after though yeah? Like with the magic shield
strong forum
Yeah
But it's just 500k absorb
Doesn't do a whole lot on a tank with 10mil hp
Is more an m+ help
bleak breach
Ahhh yeah, so better to save a healer or dps with.
Thanks
I will try it, just with how I was playing the other was more convenient for me.
proud dock
does intervene help even if something is already happeneing to the internvene target? like is someone is getting channeled on can i intenrenve after the channel start and itll still help the person? or is it only worth if u do it before hand?
strong forum
Magic channel, teh absorb helps yes
proud dock
got it thanks
strong forum
Phys channel, also helps if it's intervenable
inner wren
intervene is giga but i only know of the intervene tricks from watching people, do we got a list somewhere
strong forum
No list
zealous goblet
@strong forum mr nome sorry to ask you directly but i didn't get an answer and you're here now, does shield charge have a target softcap? it doesn't say on the skill "deals reduced damage past X mobs"
bleak breach
Here’s a super Chad question.
If I intervene a spell and spell reflect does that work?
inner wren
strong forum
SC is softcapped to 8 iirc
strong forum
Here’s a super Chad question.
If I intervene a spell and spell reflect does that...
Intervene works on physical Hits only
zealous goblet
poor thunderous roar
bleak breach
Oh yep yep
strong forum
So unless that physical hit is reflectable
bleak breach
So it’s just for the magic absorb shield.
strong forum
(which there's only a handful ones in history)
warm barn
intervene ftw, macro that beast and use it all the time to make your healer happy
strong forum
If you're a good boy you got it macrod with your charge
warm plinth
Hey Nome
strong forum
As mouseover
warm plinth
Remember Safeguard 
warm barn
^ this guy playing 4D chess
strong forum
Safeguard too op sorry
warm plinth
So many good talents, gone forever
strong forum
Here's bop wog sac spellward instead
bleak breach
What was the one we used to give the OT?
strong forum
Took 2 whole expansions to get reflective back
bleak breach
If you're a good boy you got it macrod with your charge
So I assume with that you’re intervening to the healer/rdps required then charging back to a mob instantaneously?
bleak breach
The one we gave the OT?
Was it vigilance or something like that?
warm plinth
Oh that's old as fuck warrior stuff 
raven sluice
With the buffs to the egg trinket from raid, is it worth using?
lusty grotto
bleak breach
I don’t mind the egg
I’m running skarmorak and ara Kara atm
Ara Kara myth skarmorak hero
strong forum
So I assume with that you’re intervening to the healer/rdps required then chargi...
Ideally I check if they're in melee or not
But if they're on voice I do also tell them to be in melee
For intervene
near pewter
Any recommendations on best use of weapons for 10 NW?
strong forum
I'm running double-on use in keys rn
strong forum
Any recommendations on best use of weapons for 10 NW?
All on 3rd boss
You can use 1 arcane orb for nerzhuda
To keep it interrupted
And maybe 1 orb on 2nd boss aswell on intermission to interrupt the casters to gather them up
graceful kite
use shields btw
strong forum
But beyond that you want all 3 spears for the 3rd boss
graceful kite
shields are good now
strong forum
Ye but also only if you're actually in range of them
bleak breach
But if they're on voice I do also tell them to be in melee
Ahh yeah right, so you’re not actually wanting to leave the pack. Basically just a little absorb shield without moving.
strong forum
Si
bleak breach
I’ve never really used mouse overs. So it literally just goes at who your cursor is on yes?
warm barn
saves a click/time in the long run
lusty grotto
just point the cursor at the party frame
bleak breach
Like if I’ve got the intercept/charge macro it will charge the enemy my cursor is on or intercept the friendly?
strong forum
You just press your charge button on party frame of your choice
bleak breach
just point the cursor at the party frame
Oh thanks mate
strong forum
And your intervene goes out
strong forum
It's pretty hot
lusty grotto
mouseovers work on both frames and models
strong forum
Ye
bleak breach
Woweee
strong forum
That's on cursor
bleak breach
I just use ravager and champions spear on myself
winter shard
how do I pull/where exactly do I stand to get the extra packs in mists at the front of maze with the two mobs and before Mistcaller? I tried to throw thru wall and ended up looking like a stupidiot
bleak breach
What is the macro to do the charge/intercept thing?
strong forum
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
lusty grotto
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge```smh my head nome
target= can be changed as well
wooden widget
Just be careful you don’t miss your intervene and charge your current target at a bad time. That’s happened to me a time or two
lusty grotto
/cast [@mouseover,help,exists,nodead][] Intervene;
/cast [@target,harm,exists,nodead][] Charge;```youre welcome (its the same macro)
zealous goblet
gonna sound really dumb
warm barn
nope
zealous goblet
has there been a loadout for highest dps for when i just want to blast content? i mean literally highest dps, no defensives needed.
"go dps!" i've never dpsed nor do i feel like learning i'd like to perma sit prot because i'm lazy but i need to do shit like:
t8 delves
farm normal darkflames for a fucking healer trinket for a mount
strong forum
```#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover,help,exists,nodead][] Intervene;
/cast ...
Iirc exists already superseeds nodead
strong forum
has there been a loadout for highest dps for when i just want to blast content? ...
Colossus
zealous goblet
i'd imagine colossus first off
strong forum
And then just play ITF + 2 points in bloodborne
zealous goblet
ye but i can drop shit like spell block and something else for extra bleed damage for example
thats literally it?
strong forum
Pwar tree is incredibly filled with dmg
bleak breach
Thanks guys
strong forum
There's no "tanky" build that doesn't have good dmg
Unless you decide to do a stupid build
🙂
Tanks, except prot pally, are made so that your max dps loadout, is also still very very tanky
candid cove
Is there really a huge damage difference between colossus and thane in current build?
lusty grotto
i like it
tropic tangle
damn, I knew Guardians in Mists trucked, but this is kind of absurd
strong forum
Not huge
lusty grotto
for 9-10s its fun
strong forum
But it is there
zealous goblet
i just hate how the rotational differences feel
tropic tangle
I think we had 5 in our maze, and they accounted for 18% of my damage taken
zealous goblet
feels wrong to use revenge so much
tropic tangle
strong forum
candid cove
Ok. I’ve played both but enjoy colossus more but haven’t seen too much difference in dps.
tropic tangle
yeah, good amount of it spell reflected too
lusty grotto
ye
zealous goblet
Ok. I’ve played both but enjoy colossus more but haven’t seen too much differenc...
press revenge more
strong forum
I mean I do over 1mil dps with both, but colossus is fun in the sense that it's just alot more Zug zug
Plays more like a dps than a tank
And it's fun to compete with dps
candid cove
press revenge more
Oh it gets pressed.
lusty grotto
zug zug
near pewter
Why take thane over colossus if colossus is more dmg?
strong forum
Cuz thane is alot tankier
zealous goblet
Why take thane over colossus if colossus is more dmg?
thane retardedly tanky
shrewd ore
colossus in raid just feel kinda bad if you never have rage for ip for anything that deals dmg xd
strong forum
Especially vs magic dmg
strong forum
Like I'd not play colossus in say grim batol or stone vault
lusty grotto
a change of pace is always fun
strong forum
But in mists and ara kara colossus is fun
warm plinth
@lusty grotto
lusty grotto
yes hello
warm plinth
ily
warm barn
I'm not crying, you're crying
lusty grotto
i thought they smell bad... on the outside
warm plinth
Who? What?
lusty grotto
zealous goblet
wait, which shield charge node does more damage?
does batterimg ram get a ton more damage with instigator?
candid cove
Just work both of them into it
zealous goblet
uhh not a lot of room
lusty grotto
are you speaking about ST
zealous goblet
i can only think of dropping rend since tclap is low on colossus rotation
and picking up instigator
and then idk what
ST?
zealous goblet
are you speaking about ST
im just trying to make literally pure dps build for not even mythic dungeons. like t8 delves, and normal dungeons
lusty grotto
in wowhead
shrewd ore
u would never drop rend, its 5% dmg (ST)
zealous goblet
because i need to farm tens of darkflames for a healer trinket
for my stonevault mount
zealous goblet
brother
lusty grotto
i just cant tell you if you're trolling or not
zealous goblet
brother i don't deserve this amount of sass
shrewd ore
for only dam
tribal wharf
im still curious how that second wind steadfast endurance training / alcarity prolly bsv build goes
probably doesnt
south zealot
im still curious how that second wind steadfast endurance training / alcarity p...
thats just what ppl play
wdym
lusty grotto
are we getting a new nick soon yogi?
zealous goblet
i just cant tell you if you're trolling or not
for this specifically i'm not i'm trying to take a shortcut by not learning dps rotations because i'm lazy and want to benefit from insta queues of tanking.
zealous goblet
and the thinking emojis are making me a lil sad :(
south zealot
that shit does nothing
zealous goblet
that shit does nothing
wrong it helps if you take 90 seconds between each trash pack
(m*me)
lusty grotto
gyatt
zealous goblet
also nim why do you use compact mode
you know what
im gonan try it
ill see what happens
strong forum
for only dam
For pure ST sure, but for m+ this is less dmg
shrewd ore
ye, was just for st like he asked
strong forum
lusty grotto
empty space just to make PFPs bigger makes me groan
strong forum
Ah is new discussion
shrewd ore
kinda surprised on how good battering ram is tbh, didn't have that at all on my radar for st
strong forum
It's 50% of how good it was in DF
Straight up halved
And in DF s1 it was turbo broken
south zealot
ah back when ppl dropped that for random shit
shrewd ore
didn't play in df but yea, i can see why, looks pretty good
lusty grotto
LOL
zealous goblet
Ah is new discussion
ye i was just wondering if it'd be worth to take instigator and BR to do 1000 degree knife challenge vs bosses essentially
strong forum
Back when Battering Ram was 11% dmg gain
lusty grotto
i member choco, i member
shrewd ore
have to update my hc raid padding spec 📓
strong forum
ye i was just wondering if it'd be worth to take instigator and BR to do 1000 de...
For hc parsing, absolutely
That's your mega pad build for raid parsing
zealous goblet
For hc parsing, absolutely
no not parsing, normal dungeons lmao
south zealot
found one what
lusty grotto
remember that's yogi
tribal wharf
this is a pwar unamed i found at the outdoor play eeven
zealous goblet
i had to run 30 cinderbrew meaderies on normal mode, i'm preparing my mental to run 30 fucking darkflames
strong forum
Okay for that you don't want that build
south zealot
for normal dungeons u could use literally anything
but theres better talents to pick
strong forum
You want what I told you earlier
zealous goblet
yes i literally can
strong forum
ITF + 2x BB
zealous goblet
for normal dungeons u could use literally anything
i'm stuck with 40k dps and i know the content scales with them but its agony when the minecart slows down because im soloing mobs tuned to my level
cobalt wren
how do you guys handle necrotic wake second boss adds as a prot warrior in +10 keys
lusty grotto
orb em
south zealot
aint shit you can do
cobalt wren
my dps doesnt do their job well in most cases
zealous goblet
i'm not soloing it exactly, and it's for stonevault mount. needs 3 trinkets. 1 from stonevault (dps)
1 from cinderbrew (caster trinket)
1 from darkflame (healer trinket)
south zealot
my dps doesnt do their job well in most cases
tell them to blow up
cobalt wren
i am taunting leaping charging all over the place
zealous goblet
so i have to run these dungeons, and bribe motherfuckers for them to give it to me
strong forum
Then they're lazy fucks and you would have to do your utmost to keep mobs cc'd/killed
shrewd ore
make sure u move boss to the crossbow guy, only mob that doesn't move if u dont have dk
warm plinth
He's a taunter, he's a leaper, he's a midnight charger
lusty grotto
youre doing too much
south zealot
when reprisal return
south zealot
not on shield charge
cobalt wren
He's a taunter, he's a leaper, he's a midnight charger
ahahahhaa
zealous goblet
how do you guys handle necrotic wake second boss adds as a prot warrior in +10 k...
tell your donkey dps to use their kicks
warm plinth
I usually take the boss to one of them
And then dps have to actually turn their brain on for the other
lusty grotto
not your fault if they dont, go next key
cobalt wren
i usually taunt the melee and charge to the crosbnow guy
lusty grotto
change teammates
cobalt wren
so boss comes with me
zealous goblet
yeah at a point you need to literally just trust your dps to do their job. even if you take disrupting shout that handles ONE pack out of like, the five that are gonna spawn. you can only coddles so much before individual responsibility is mandatory
cobalt wren
yeah i swaer i wish to have the blood dk grab in that fight everytime
i am puggin no teammates :D
lusty grotto
go next key
zealous goblet
just be the constant in your keys. say 5% of players are monkeys, then be the part of the 95% so you can do the keys more often on average
lusty grotto
ez
cobalt wren
:D
i am a new player so i have 0 network in this game
its been like one and a half month
lusty grotto
yeah well
zealous goblet
ye that's fine, as i said, just work on being a constant good person so your keys are statistically more likely to go well
cobalt wren
ye that's fine, as i said, just work on being a constant good person so your key...
thank you
lusty grotto
your job as a tank is not to do everything, people have to pull their weight
if you coddle bad players they will climb keys without knowing what to do
i know it feels bad, but just go next key
cobalt wren
idk why but i feel a lot of responsibility tanking
lusty grotto
your responsability is routing and not dying
cobalt wren
but thanks for taking time to answer guys i was a little frustrated
lusty grotto
anything else isn't
zealous goblet
anything else isn't
you forgor keeping threat 💀
cobalt wren
true true
tribal wharf
have you guys been keeping up with that one youtuber as of recently been playing wow for his very first time, not the one from a month ago, there was one like 2 weeks or so ago
deft raptor
as someone fairly new to tanking, im starting off in low level keys, is defensive stance something i should only go into with big dmg points or is it better to be in it all the time?
tribal wharf
first thing he was doing was trying to travel to the furthest north south east west points on all of the map then he went to top of sword with some guy
lusty grotto
you will probably be in dstance more, and swap to battle stance when there's no damage
cobalt wren
you will probably be in dstance more, and swap to battle stance when there's no ...
hm i never do that
i should start doing
lusty grotto
its very minimal min maxing, you dont need to do it
shrewd ore
if ur new just stay in def stance whole key
cobalt wren
i reached like 2400 io but cant go up much
deft raptor
you will probably be in dstance more, and swap to battle stance when there's no ...
yeah that makes sense, ive only done upto 4s nothing big, but ye as i climb it will get more use i guess thanks 😄
lusty grotto
deft raptor
hey prot blasts in these low keys its fun
cobalt wren
are +10s low :D damn
deft raptor
i aint doing 10s lol no way
lusty grotto
its relative
cobalt wren
i thought you said 10s low you got me worried there :D
deft raptor
especially in pugs 😒
deft raptor
10s as fury im fine, 10s as a new tonk nono xD
cobalt wren
i see
lusty grotto
dont look too much into it
what high keys and low keys are, is full on relative for everybody
its a moving target, very personal to your character
and experience
of course, 14s are high to everybody
but that's beside the point
cobalt wren
i see
one last question, is there a website for finding teams like guilds or is that something i have to do in game
cobalt wren
aight thank you so much
warm barn
you found this one, you're going in the right directio0n
cobalt wren
true :D
wooden widget
Biggest difference in colossus is to dump with revenge rather than IP?
cobalt wren
i have one more question :D is it bad for me to use glided crest for my hero track gear.
wooden widget
Do you ignore tc when you need to dump. And still shield slam on cd?
wooden widget
i have one more question :D is it bad for me to use glided crest for my hero tra...
It’s a technical “waste” of gilded crests depending on how available mythic track gear is in your situation
warm plinth
aight thank you so much
silent sphinx
Got a question about siege. I've done like 20 runs and just wiped and bricked a key, DPS informed me that you need to walk on bombs before they explode on the first boss but the never had to do this
cobalt wren
discord.gg/mythicplusfriends
thank you
silent sphinx
Should I be doing that? Have my teammates just been doing it and covering for me without me realising
shrewd ore
Got a question about siege. I've done like 20 runs and just wiped and bricked a ...
yes, it can be depending on boss pathing that the 3rd needs to be triggered
warm plinth
Well, ideally you kite the boss into the bombs when he's chasing the people
shrewd ore
dps can do with def cd or you do it
warm plinth
You meaning them
But if they won't make it, you should take it
Otherwise it does groupwide aoe
shrewd ore
I'd even say it happens nearly every fight if the spawns aren't really good on the first fixate
silent sphinx
People must have been absorbing it with defensive CDs without my knowledge
Honestly not been an issue this far until this specific run
lusty grotto
you dont need to walk into bombs
you can just kite mobs to it
and they take damage
its a better approach for this version
since they didnt take damage in BFA
shrewd ore
pretty good indicator is if the first fixate didn't trigger a bomb then you most likely have to trigger the 3rd one
silent sphinx
Heroic leap over a bomb to get one of the mobs into it then
lusty grotto
silent sphinx
Alright cheers
lusty grotto
if no adds are up though, by all means just walk through them
silent sphinx
Also you guy's dps also keep randomly pulling that first boss?
shrewd ore
if u have a mage in group u need to pull trash away
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Man the weekend went by so fast
potent tree
It only took 15 wakes to pull off
Gz gz
Hate that dungeon
I swear third boss requires an pumper arcane mage
potent tree
Seems like a gamer
toxic pewter
muahahahahh
mythic cloak dropped off rashanan
and the dude wouldnt sell it, some guy offered a million gold
tribal wharf
brain rott key lol
smoky anvil
and the dude wouldnt sell it, some guy offered a million gold
Based
lusty grotto
for a mil? i would have sold it
raven knoll
@lusty grotto sir. i need your insights pls. how do i check what to craft and put embelishment onto if i have weapon and shiel already. just lowest ilvl? or go after wowhead guide wich says wrists?
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> sir. i need your insights pls. how do i check what to craf...
lowest ilvl is fine
inner wren
milly
lusty grotto
bracers/belt/boots/cloak are good slots
if all of those are hero or higher, just go with bracers
raven knoll
copy that thianks sir
yep all are hero
and i dont have bracers yet
only 610 pvp crafted
merry sluice
lusty grotto
gz, i got it last week
merry sluice
uhh its for bdk but its duskleaf's
zealous goblet
no warrior variant?
merry sluice
not that ik of
tribal wharf
i bought the hand mount from the traders
normally i would got for a shield but that one was too good
normally if i dont get a mount its cuz the mount is pretty bland or way over priced for what it is
tcg thing, i guess okay if its old graphics then, but dont really want to spend 800 traders on TCG thing
bleak breach
Bro she’s a spider haha
merry sluice
sokraxx
bleak breach
But on the downlow
merry sluice
this is standard posting for him
bleak breach
3/4
round cliff
hmm
'
warm plinth
Are you aware that you don't have to say the things you think all the time?
tribal wharf
what about if hes like me and doesnt think
primal narwhal
I don't think, I only zug
tribal wharf
been trying to run +4s for runeds
its a disaster hellscape
mega brain rott
DOUBLE KILL
i guess i did it a little wrong, but they still have to get out of the purple?
like, i can live that with just 1 soak, defensives, heals, and dont getting hit
merry trout
hey guys, can someone share their stonevault route? for the speaker boss, the adds before him, do you clear the upper addds for the vers buff or just go straight through? Do you not clear the adds near the cart?
zealous goblet
hey guys, can someone share their stonevault route? for the speaker boss, the ad...
depends on if you have a mind soothe first of all
2nd of all i think you need mining or some shit
to actually GET the vers buff
tribal wharf
im hearing warrior as well
void skiff
is it weird if my cds arent lining up correctly for the raid collusus build?
robust urchin
No Colossus just sucks ass like that by design
tribal wharf
i honestly think that colossus was more designed as a last minute think for arms mostly :S
more than prot
warm plinth
no u
tribal wharf
maybe i'll play arms in raid, if its good dps
keys aint doin it for me every key i do implodes
potent tree
to actually GET the vers buff
Warriors can activate the buff and it has a range. If u click it and people are too far they won’t receive the buff
It’s warriors, mining profession or dwarf (not sure if it’s all flavors of dwarf)
void skiff
how big is the damage difference between than and colossus for raid?
merry trout
to actually GET the vers buff
wariors qualify for that buff
zealous goblet
wariors qualify for that buff
how long is it?
i didn't know so i never went for it
merry trout
10 min
turbid shuttle
hey guys, can someone share their stonevault route? for the speaker boss, the ad...
just did this on 11 and it was smooth. 2 deaths 5 minutes on timer.
merry trout
just did this on 11 and it was smooth. 2 deaths 5 minutes on timer.
tyvm ❤️
lusty grotto
i honestly think that colossus was more designed as a last minute think for arms...
you'd be wrong
its clunky as fuck for Arms
moreso than prot
@jagged gust is that your rogue
fierce kindle
man the more i play prot
the more fun it gets
i feel like keys just do not get harder the higher i go
but damage keeps going up
void skiff
trial by fire real af rn
hit 80 on the warrior this time yesterday and am now some how tanking heroic ansurek. unsure how i got here but it is what it is
zealous goblet
hey guys humor me can anyone here find instances of a single trinket upgrade leading a raid to securing a kill
unborn sable
what should I craft as a reroll for raid prog. guild boosted me heroic and normal full clear and not a single weapon dropped haha or decent trinket. I've got 5pc luckily
lusty grotto
idk about that scatter lol
mighty valley
uhhhhhhhhh in all of wow's history it must have happened once
but i don't think there's been like
a high profile race decided by one trinket lol
lusty grotto
yeah but thats like finding a needle in a haystack
if it has happened its cause the overall dps fucking blows
zealous goblet
a single upgrade?
yeah no a SINGLE FUCKING UPGRADE
mighty valley
like every kill that happens 1s before enrage you could theoretically argue that one item would make the difference
zealous goblet
by all means
mighty valley
but it could be any item
lusty grotto
LMAO
zealous goblet
go as far back as you can if you need to
lusty grotto
you cant
zealous goblet
for the sake of an argument
zealous goblet
my friend gave me cancer over me telling him that a single trinket lost is not going to make or break a kill
lusty grotto
3 tiers, and one awekened tier?
zealous goblet
in a raid setting
mighty valley
yeah like
mighty valley
one player being more awake and having marginally better dps uptime is more important than that trinket
merry sluice
The moment you fucking asked that I knew you were asking over a friend /group argument
zealous goblet
i got timed out for 1 min for bad language oops
and yeah because it genuinely frustrates me that someone can be so adamant on something so silly
merry sluice
What’s the context that leads to this discussion
zealous goblet
random gossip about top guild drama that i really don't care for
about loot
i was just trying to say that one person getting mildly griefed on a singular trinket will not make or break a kill and more than likely it is the sum advantage of like, gearing over a week that will probably push it over
on several people
on top of just getting more skilled at the fight
edgy bone
Guys how do i pull throuygh the mist in tirna scythe? in the maze
zealous goblet
Guys how do i pull throuygh the mist in tirna scythe? in the maze
you need a pet to pull
its weird
also mildly unsafe if people do it without comms
because obviously they're gonna have initial threat and you need to get the pack
mighty valley
i was just trying to say that one person getting mildly griefed on a singular tr...
i think your friend was probably just feeling emotional about missing the trinket and trying to justify the emotions with an argument that could sound rational. sadly the argument is stupid
zealous goblet
i think your friend was probably just feeling emotional about missing the trinke...
it wasn't his trinket he's gossiping about other guild loot drama
mighty valley
oh
zealous goblet
yeah
mighty valley
stupid
lusty grotto
loot drama, so a dying guild
zealous goblet
probably
lusty grotto
cause loot drama doesnt regularly happen in good guilds
zealous goblet
it's inherently dumb
void skiff
Bet it was a heroic trinket.
royal chasm
what are we using to sim for m+? patchwerk 5? dungeon slice?
dark cosmos
kinda gotta sim multiple things and use your brain
lusty grotto
what are we using to sim for m+? patchwerk 5? dungeon slice?
5 target
so yeah patchwerk 5
void skiff
so. is me pulling threat off the other tank my problem or their problem. thoughts?
lusty grotto
their
void skiff
its happening consistently every time i pop avatar
lusty grotto
tell them to not suck
void skiff
and not with one person like with everyone ive tanked with so far since starting the warrior
lusty grotto
shouldn't happen
they all just suck
warrior isnt something special, our dps is middle of the pack
if its happening they are just bad tanks that cant press their buttons, thats it
nothing to do with the class
violet ginkgo
👀
violet ginkgo
so. is me pulling threat off the other tank my problem or their problem. thought...
Like Nim Said it's their problem. But dare I ask if you guys on the same ilvl?
brave jetty
Is there some cheese spot to tank Amarth in NW so that the adds spawn super close to each other?
void skiff
Like Nim Said it's their problem. But dare I ask if you guys on the same ilvl?
def not which makes it worse. they have 10+ on me
unkempt trout
how useful is dwarf this season for keys
brave cliff
Is there some cheese spot to tank Amarth in NW so that the adds spawn super clos...
I believe tanking at the corner help but it’s not a cheese spot
merry sluice
"let's do some keys on my dk, it can't be that bad
the keys
what
in the fuck
man's going to another fucking key
lusty grotto
hmm
i mean you can LoS the pull behind those walls but
maybe he missed it or something
lusty grotto
yea
merry sluice
im so bewildered
bc he was going to the bomb circles
then like
180d
and went behind the wall lmfao
unborn sable
what's the big tradeoff between the two hero specs?
unborn sable
we're we in the same grp?! That legit just happened to me an hour ago lmao
merry sluice
nah this was like 10 minutes ago
but that'd be fucking hilarious
mountain thane:
Rage 😄
Tanky
rage!
easier to play
rage!!
Colossus:
Squishy
DEMOLISH DAMAGE WHOO
no rage D:
void skiff
Like Nim Said it's their problem. But dare I ask if you guys on the same ilvl?
Yesterday in the low 590s I was pulling off of people 605-610 and now at 602 I’m pulling off of people 618-620
Never really had that issue on the DK. But to be fair their initial opener damage isn’t front loaded because you have to wait for mark to pop so you don’t have a lot of snap.
inner wren
my dumbass just realized i can shield charge in melee range
lusty grotto
what's the big tradeoff between the two hero specs?
boils down to:
big damage, slightly less defensive, more emphasis in spending rage with revenge/execute = colossus
slightly less damage, more defensive, akin to DF prot, more emphasis on burning rage with IP = thane
void skiff
boils down to:
big damage, slightly less defensive, more emphasis in spending r...
Thanes feedback loop also just feels better to play imo.
lusty grotto
Yesterday in the low 590s I was pulling off of people 605-610 and now at 602 I’m...
ilvl is not equivalent of skill
this shouldn't be news
thane feedback loop is a bit more synergistic yes, but "feels better" is not a fact
carmine solstice
For fresh prot warrior, should I craft 619 weapon or 619 shield?
lusty grotto
shield
wicked pollen
do not tank keys with a 545 shield 🙂
carmine solstice
Ok, I figured that, just wanted to check.
void skiff
ilvl is not equivalent of skill
I see them having decent ilvl and tank io over 2.5k and I just seem to ignore the fact that being able to tank a key does not directly equate to being able to properly manage being 1 of 2 tanks in a raid. 🥲
carmine solstice
do not tank keys with a 545 shield 🙂
🥸 but I wanna see how good the healer is
lusty grotto
when you see someone 2.6k rated in a raid
and they are not holding threat
150% of the time
its cause they are in M+ talents
500% of the time, i should say
inner wren
fact
lusty grotto
similar to having 2.7k rated dps doing dogshit dps on ST
violet ginkgo
when you see someone 2.6k rated in a raid
maybe they are too comfy in M+ they are the only tank thinking (I am the only tank, no one can rip aggro even if I play mediocre)
wicked pollen
🥸 but I wanna see how good the healer is <:keks:936231610850897992>
when I was tanking with a 545 shield I was playing with a glad pvper/ce raider
as my healer
but me dying was me not using cds because I had no idea how to play prot
void skiff
high io does not equate to understanding the fight
Eh. I normally check talents when I start noticing an issue and that hasn’t been the trend. But this is more what I was getting at.
unborn sable
boils down to:
big damage, slightly less defensive, more emphasis in spending r...
nice
carmine solstice
when I was tanking with a 545 shield I was playing with a glad pvper/ce raider
I mean not a direct comparison, but we did M0s on alts at like 510 ilvl 🤣
I just got my third warrior to 80, so figured I’ll focus on tank optimization instead this time lol
carmine solstice
Yea that sounds about right for a decent group
unborn sable
chat do i hold off on crafting 619 shield for chance at Heroic Queens dropping tonight? Had to reroll so i'm in very scuffed gear lmfao
Currently using a 580 shield 😉
wicked pollen
you might fall to queen
carmine solstice
I had enough Warbound gear to jump up to 587 instantly
lol
Queen definitely can 1 shot you at 60X with a 580 shield
unborn sable
Queen definitely can 1 shot you at 60X with a 580 shield
crafting xoxo
carmine solstice
If you don’t want to use the tune, just make a 606 and recraft if you have to
inner wren
farming gildeds on alts sucks ass
carmine solstice
farming gildeds on alts sucks ass
Have to be invited to keys to get gilded crests first afaik
inner wren
im blasting 9s and 10s rn and it still takes forever even if i'm timing every dungeon
inner wren
got like 100 more gildeds left to cap out on my alt warrior
unborn sable
should i craft haste/vers for raid prog as a fill-in tank? will be fine for m+ yea?
merry sluice
have to find a group that can even comprehend how to a single boss in the dungeon
wicked pollen
wdym find
void skiff
When I look at a raid log vs an M+ log what should my target uptime be on my different buffs?
void skiff
Ip should be as well?
mighty valley
don't worry about an IP uptime number, it varies a ton based on how much damage you're taking and when
if you have good cpm and minimal wasted rage, you're casting ip enough
void skiff
I feel like I’m over casting it by using the wowhead macro of it and shield slam together
90% of the time it’s not an issue but then all of the sudden I’ll notice a point or 2 in a fight where I go from feeling like I have absurd amounts of rage to not having enough and I panic for a second because I can’t hit IP or SB.
jagged pier
That macro shouldnt do that
It replaces your ip bind
You should still have a seperate ss bind
lusty grotto
void skiff
You should still have a seperate ss bind
I may have just been using it as a single button click for both. 
blissful lily
Brand new tank here, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. In a SoB 10, I was having a hell of a time with the bleeds in the early areas and then a poison that quickly stacked to 5 in the giant boss room. Any tips on the best way for us to approach that? Unfortunately we had no poison dispel.
lusty grotto
wall/demo
stack punish on scrappers for bleed
stack punish on invaders for poison
dstance
be dwarf for bleed
have evoker for bleed/poison
zenith ice
Taunt is equally effective in battle stance and defensive right? And each stance does equal threat? Sorry if this has been asked before
lusty grotto
Taunt is equally effective in battle stance and defensive right? And each stance...
yes
zealous goblet
wait i think i asked this before but idr, can you dodge singed steel in sob?
naive thunder
Hey lads, I don't prot a lot. Is this decent? I just got it from Zekvir husk and upgraded it. Idk if I should be replacing it when I can though.
The specific spell school things makes me think it's not that great.
zealous goblet
Hey lads, I don't prot a lot. Is this decent? I just got it from Zekvir husk and...
its shit, but if its higher ilvl use it
ilvl > all except trinkets
naive thunder
its shit, but if its higher ilvl use it
Yeah I had a 580 before that xD
urban portal
if you just wanna play around then its fine
zenith ice
Ty
lusty grotto
Hey lads, I don't prot a lot. Is this decent? I just got it from Zekvir husk and...
use it only if its better ilvl than your current shield, replace asap with a higher track
naive thunder
Thought so, thanks guys!
zealous goblet
Sounds like I just need to be better. Thanks for the heads up.
hey this isn't ideal
but just wanna tell you
cavedweller potion is a combat potion, not a health potion
so if you want a 2nd health potion, use some
blissful lily
thanks
blissful lily
yeah, I was shield slamming on cd but definitely without regard for who I was using it on. That's a simple optimization, thanks.
lusty grotto
Scatter
zealous goblet
sup
lusty grotto
you can play stops on singed blade
but for the 3rd and final time
you cannot sidestep it
im 50% sure you can parry it
(:
zealous goblet
but for the 3rd and final time
i will ask again in two weeks
lusty grotto
roger that
zealous goblet
i legit have
void skiff
When we get the proc for triple slam, is it always just send all 3 or is there a priority that usurps it attack wise outside of overcapping rage
void skiff
Either
south zealot
dont overcap thunderblast charges
zealous goblet
how much dps loss is it if i don't track them too well (not a meme)
lusty grotto
track what
zealous goblet
i've had to make my own damn weak aura for seeing red
i don't wanna have to make one for thunder blast
thunder blast mr.nim
lusty grotto
why dont you just download a prot warrior suite
zealous goblet
fuck, i might aswell. guess i'll go dig out the fucking spell id
i did
the one i like doesn't track it
lusty grotto
nome tracks it
zealous goblet
i use this one, i like it very much because the rage reminder to use ignore pain, and it has trinkets built into it
dark cosmos
lusty grotto
choco i dont think he wants to sub/pay for it lol
void skiff
Slam procs buffed thunderclap, buffed thunder clap procs triple slam, after 1 slam I’m already getting another buffed thunderclap which I can either wait 2 more gcds to get the extra slams in and then send it or I can run the risk of getting another triple slam proc if I send it after the first slam and lose out on 2 free ones because I got another proc that over rode the first one
south zealot
probably not
zealous goblet
i REALLY like the one im using now, it really helped me learn prot in retail
void skiff
I’ve noticed the slam proc getting over rode and missing out on the ones I didn’t use because I got another proc by sending a thunderclap.
lusty grotto
shouldnt be too hard
void skiff
That’s why I was asking
zealous goblet
do i need to make an account? i'm sick of how many accounts im needing to track
i do
FUCK
lusty grotto
do you know password managers exist
lusty grotto
i see
zealous goblet
it's fine shouldnt be too hard to make a small quick one and slam it into the buff bar
lusty grotto
Slam procs buffed thunderclap, buffed thunder clap procs triple slam, after 1 sl...
content type is important
i cant answer it without knowing
there's no one size fits all for prio
you do not care about TB in pure ST
void skiff
Ok so then 2 answers one for m+ and one for raid
lusty grotto
even over capping
you just send SS
you want to TB to clear stacks, SS, TB if at 2, SS, TB if at 2, SS, TB if at 2, and so on
2+ targets you outburst TB
and forget about SS
like choco said you dont want to hit an SS with TB at 2 stacks
you will overcap
if RNG blesses your SS to provide a TB charge
thats gonna be a TB stack eaten
gone, dead, deleted
thats for aoe
so thats both cases
tl;dr
ST = SS to clear the triple
AOE = dont cap TB, so send TB
and remember to send any TB stacks before you Avatar
any and all
void skiff
Ty
lusty grotto
man im being gaslit by myself, sims are telling me 619 champ track mercurial egg is better than anything else i have
i cant help but think, its simbaiting me
zealous goblet
use worse stuff out of spite
lusty grotto
i cant shake it
zealous goblet
run ascension serum and taunt refracturator thingymabob
lusty grotto
true
zealous goblet
so now you're just double unhappy
lusty grotto
i should do that
zealous goblet
i would absolutely love it
zealous goblet
if the taunt refractor cd lined up with challenging shout or some shit
dense cradle
to do final wing lfr on my alt dh
zealous goblet
1min is so awkward
lusty grotto
i guess i should ask for the heroic version on next reclear
sacbrood stonks way down
tawdry herald
wouldnt the mech on egg make it perfect for a patchwerk fight?
i wonder if thats how the APL handles it
tawdry herald
time to get your jiggle on
dense cradle
also is there a rough value in ilvls
lusty grotto
its always at 28-30 stacks
dense cradle
to the ansurek ring
zealous goblet
ok there's a THIRD THUNDER BLAST ID
FIGURED IT OUT
these fucking devs are terrorists
like
lusty grotto
zealous goblet
fuck
tawdry herald
we're still dying to invisible consumption puddles in mists
lusty grotto
haha
tawdry herald
theyre not just terrorists they want fucking anarchy
lusty grotto
now THOSE are terrorists
we've identified where it happens though
its a very specific section
its still aids but
tawdry herald
please share, is it based on elevation or uneven terrain?
lusty grotto
hard to explain but it usually happens near the standard entrance of the room
where, yes, z-axis changes
standard being left entrance
tawdry herald
tyvm
lusty grotto
i would say south if you look at MDT
tawdry herald
i figured it was something like that but this is personally my first time dying to it
tawdry herald
it just happened to kill me and a dps at the exact same time in different spots
lusty grotto
shit is whack
tawdry herald
bricked our 10 because the tank decided to never leap out with mind link
so im just sending cooldowns to heal basic mechs on my monk while this guy is raging in all caps
lusty grotto
tender reef
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackrock/cagedfenek?zone=39#boss=12669&metric=dps
My last message got Auto deleted for being mean to mountain lords I think
How do you guys deal with all the rage and none of the dmg ?
coral badger
how much vers is suitable for +12 n up?
lusty grotto
🤷
coral badger
😦
unkempt hazel
a billion vers surely will help
jagged pier
how much vers is suitable for +12 n up?
Literally any number of ver, after haste secondarys do pretty much nothing for survivability
lusty grotto
which is kind of what duskthread is giving me LOL
coral badger
tysm!
lusty grotto
what the fuck is this
he left after that
@merry sluice right up your alley
ele shaman btw
i seem to have queued into the twilight zone
me, the hunter and the rsham were scratching our heads collectively
unkempt hazel
deft hinge
Literally any number of ver, after haste secondarys do pretty much nothing for s...
just wondering, on bis list, why isnt haste dominant rings bis? instead crit dominat is bis. on one of them anyway
lusty grotto
because there arent any rings with big haste little crit from dungeons
deft hinge
im talking about the first bis list, the one that takes from both dungeons and raid combined
lusty grotto
theres no haste crit ring in raid
at least not one thats as important as
queen ring
deft hinge
haste mastery, dominant haste
lusty grotto
ok do you want the proper answer?
those 2 with or without queen ring are the highest sims
not big haste little mastery
unkempt hazel
thats meta for u
lusty grotto
biggest sims with myth track, not anything lower than
he wasnt an rsham
he was ele
unkempt hazel
merry sluice
i feel i've seen a good number of dps shammies too, even if they aren't meta, but... yeah...
weird ass groups
lusty grotto
yeah just broken in the head or something
solid sun
First boss dawnbreaker: is there a burst of unavoidable damage on the beam? Cause I get hit with damage everytime and it’s been so frustrating I know I’m making sure I’m not standing in the lines
unkempt hazel
lusty grotto
i just need the SV cloak for fury
trying to optimize all 3 specs cause ive been sent to fury jail on certain fights
unkempt hazel
rip
orchid gulch
First boss dawnbreaker: is there a burst of unavoidable damage on the beam? Caus...
It does a big magic damage hit on her current target.
solid sun
Okay thanks
lusty grotto
myth*
unkempt hazel
ygetwhatimsayin
unkempt hazel
my apolocheese
lusty grotto
where!