protection

[molten gorge]

a lot of it is gonna be gear right, another 15+ ilvls or whatever, it'll feel fine but i just can understand wanting the cushion rn having stepped foot in a 12 now, cause the jump is bigger than I expected

[silent sphinx]

guys gonna craft a 636 item

shield or sword?

[blazing condor]

shield is more important for survival

and tanking

only piece that gives block

[shell mica]

Hey guys, Ive started today toi gear my prot warrior. Any Recommendations on what to craft and embels ?

seeing some warriors with ascendance + elemental focus

[jagged pier]

Double lining is our best

But emblishments dont do much for us at all so it doesnt really matter

[sudden kelp]

hello, if I pick up BSV talent, what should I drop instead ?

[void wadi]

hi guys, fresh prot warrior, what to craft?

[jagged pier]

#protection message

[jagged pier]

Depends on what content u plan to do

And at what lvl

[void wadi]

M+10s hopefully

[jagged pier]

Well shield first

[void wadi]

i gave up on my VDH cause it requires too much timing key defensives lol

[jagged pier]

Warrior relys on that more

We cant heal back up u have to use defenaives at the right time

[void wadi]

yea but they don't get one shot if they dont press it 1 second too late

[jagged pier]

Depends on the ability but nothing in 10s and under should do that to any tank

[void wadi]

have u tried VDH this xpac?

[jagged pier]

Why would i? I dont enjoy it

[void wadi]

you will get what i mean after u try it haha

anyway we digress

ok shield is first priority

what next?

[jagged pier]

Tanks dont die unless u make a mistake that goes for any tanks if u miss play warrior your still going to die

[void wadi]

god damn plate and weapons mats are expensive lol

[sharp gale]

I don’t remember how much was my shield, around 90k with a 5k fee, it was first m+ week

[void wadi]

its around 50k in mats now

guess its time to go mining/herbing for awhile lol

[sharp gale]

It was 40k when I recrafted the shield for 636

My warrior ain’t a cheap but damn he needs a lot of gold

[round cliff]

need is a strong word

simply live with worse gear like me

[sharp gale]

But… I need to spend € in a virtual currency to increase my character strength

And my alt is a dk ofc to double on expensive crafts

[round cliff]

man i barely put enchants on my alts

much less craft for em

[sharp gale]

I don’t, he just dinged 80, I should have named him « Ovinaxdk »

But will craft when he gets 90 crests

[graceful kite]

other tanks cant reflect any and struggle a lot

I hate augs

I don't get it why aren't they just playing dev in 10s and why people are picking augs in 10s

specifically every dps partyleader who has barely above tank dps picks aug

[round cliff]

cause aug op!!! evoker was a mistake

blizz pls remove

[graceful kite]

I hate my character being moved

every mechanic or every friendly spell that moves makes me mad

[opal forum]

or add more support type spec so we dont have to rely to aug strictly

[round cliff]

add tank shaman first

[graceful kite]

no support specs please

if they add a support they should make dungeons 6man

[opal forum]

i was thinking totemic shaman as a support

[round cliff]

bloons tower defense spec

[graceful kite]

because supports actively cannibalize dps spots and dps already have a horrible time queueing

[opal forum]

im fine with 6 mans dungeons tbh

[graceful kite]

I'm fine with supports if they remake all healers to supports or make dungeons 6man

[opal forum]

im fine either way

delete aug

or make aug not the only option

[graceful kite]

I'm actually fine with 10man dungeons

[round cliff]

thats called a raid sir

[graceful kite]

nobody does 10 man raid

[opal forum]

guys lets make some 10man dungeons

but we take away the timer

[graceful kite]

even if people make small raid they do like 2-3-9

[opal forum]

and we make so that the boss are the hard part

[graceful kite]

2-2-6 is rare

[round cliff]

226 is cozy

[graceful kite]

yep and thats why 10man dungeons would be fine

in 10 man dungeons a support spec would be nice

everyone would have their spot

[opal forum]

nah i would HATE 10mans m+ ngl

[graceful kite]

tho in modern wow 10man dungeon would turn in raidbuff stacking

[opal forum]

6 maximum if they make support a proper role

[round cliff]

the more players the more room for somebody to fuck it up

[graceful kite]

so it might backfire on my dreams

[round cliff]

zzz

[silent sphinx]

instead of 4 potential toxic people you would have 9 potential toxic people

[opal forum]

in high end m+

[graceful kite]

i'm extremely toxic myself so i'm fine with that

[round cliff]

just make TANK SHAMAN idc about 10mans or support spec slot

[opal forum]

one guy trolling will brick ur key

now

think about pugging with 9 randoms

living nightmare

[silent sphinx]

oh god, i just missed on timing my first ever +10

because our healer asked one of the dps "Please can you interupt and use defensives"

[graceful kite]

but make it in place of ele

[silent sphinx]

the dps in question just left

[graceful kite]

cuz enh is very fun

and ele is very unfun

[round cliff]

i support ranged dps erasure

make wow a melee game

[opal forum]

NO

they like to chill on frontal too much

and when i move

they move

[graceful kite]

how to fail pug key 101

you should never say anything in chat other than supporting messages

[round cliff]

had a demo lock who said "playing demo cant interrupt" the other day

[graceful kite]

in your place I'd answer that healer asap with sorry in was my bad gonna be cool now

[round cliff]

wanted to reach thru the screen and strangle them

[sharp gale]

It’s like league of legends : you talk in chat you already lost

[graceful kite]

btw disc priest is very cool

I really liked playing with disc

500k overall dps from a healer+pi

[opal forum]

too bad rsham is just that better

[graceful kite]

who cares in 10s

and you might have enh in your group

with enh i'd pick disc

[sharp gale]

My friend plays hpal…. I always says to him « nice dps btw »

[kindred hearth]

Priest needs kick

[round cliff]

the real caste system in wow is someone saying "who cares in 10s" when i struggle at 7s

i dont jump for the beef

[graceful kite]

10s aren't that different

you played on fort weeks and you played on tyra weeks

[sharp gale]

I think he means who cares about having the perfect comp for a 10

[graceful kite]

10 is just a combination with 30% damage buff

[kindred hearth]

Exactly @sharp gale

[sharp gale]

I do 10s without bl

Sometimes

[graceful kite]

only thing in a 10 is that if dps is getting targeted by multiple casters they will die

[kindred hearth]

Comps start to really matter on 12 and above

[frozen dock]

one quick question having 2 Duskthread Lining is bugged atm?

[opal forum]

ehhh

i still love rsham in my group

[frozen dock]

i have both of them and they dont stack

[kindred hearth]

Rshaman is just huge as a tank

[jagged pier]

Yah need to reset the buff

[graceful kite]

I like rsham because I like skyfury bl and curse dispel

but I'm not doing stuff above 10 because it gives 0 rewards

[round cliff]

im leveling rsham on tuesday someone help me gear it after?

will be ur healer gf

[graceful kite]

but if you got dps shaman you already have all that

[frozen dock]

you are a legend

[graceful kite]

and dps shaman do reeeeally good dam

[sharp gale]

I still do my own 11 key just to do it

[graceful kite]

I queue for 8 mists per week and help whatever friends ask me to help with a 10

[round cliff]

im conflicted cuz i wanna heal as rsham and dps as enh but i wanna tank as prot and hate maintaining alts

[sharp gale]

Any 10s I don’t have portal (now I have all so I may start doing the easy 11s for weekly

[opal forum]

or you could go monk

[round cliff]

that was my reasoning too

i have a leveled monk

and its fun! but the sound design on monk is just wack

i hate it

[graceful kite]

brew seems very strong actually

[opal forum]

i love brew

[graceful kite]

and looks like they're getting buffs

[tulip warren]

just wait for prot shaman

[jagged pier]

Theres a shaman tank in the follower dungeon, surely that means shaman tank coming

[round cliff]

im so upset theres no tank shaman yet

like theres a whole UNUSED ELEMENT that is TANK-CODED

4 elements 4 specs make it happen

[graceful kite]

tank shaman makes more sense than tank dh atleast

[tulip warren]

leather dh

[round cliff]

there isnt even a mail tank is there

fucked up

whys there more leather tank than mail tank

and shamans use shields??? tanks.

[opal forum]

bring a mecha class

im begging

[sharp gale]

Still in hopium tinker one day (i play only gnomes)

[opal forum]

i want to feel badass playing a gnome

[graceful kite]

and make it mechagnome exclusive

[round cliff]

wtf ive been talking to 2 gnome players this whole time

i pretend like i wasnt here goodbye.....

[opal forum]

seems unfair for goblins

[graceful kite]

there are gnome communities on eu atleast

[opal forum]

im a dwarf meta slave even tho im bad at the game

[graceful kite]

who raid and take exclusively gnomes

[kindred hearth]

Unfair for goblins equals fair right?

[sharp gale]

When I consider what should I play a patch (like a month before the release) I open the gnome creation screen

If can’t be gnome, I don’t play

One day gnome Paladin

[sharp gale]

They are green, they automatically are wrong

[opal forum]

now seems unfair for alpha chad orcs

[sharp gale]

Alpha chads want to look like garrosh

[opal forum]

thrall is my daddy

[round cliff]

couldnt be me playing maghar orc whenever possible

[sharp gale]

Red > Green, it’s a superior skin color

[round cliff]

only exception is panda for monk

[opal forum]

i hate panda

[sharp gale]

[opal forum]

theyre so goofy

they look stupid

[round cliff]

ok GNOME PLAYER

[opal forum]

they walk stupid

they jump stupid

they hit stupid

😠

[round cliff]

gnome players calling anything else goofy is smh...

my gnome you are the whole goof troop

[sharp gale]

I know it’s goofy when a gnome have a speed buff they run like a cartoon character

[opal forum]

im not actually playing gnome

[round cliff]

so do dwarves its the only reason i havent made an earthen

[opal forum]

i would if there would be mecha

[graceful kite]

femdwarf running animation is the smoothest running animation in the game

[void wadi]

has anyone tested that dawnthread lining gives x2 crit buff?

[graceful kite]

after they reworked races they ruined so many animations is crazy

bring me back normally running Male NE, or undead casting animation

[round cliff]

casting animation is the same innit?

[graceful kite]

nah they now do a swirly with hands

[round cliff]

thought they always did that

[sharp gale]

https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#fk80z0zJ89c8zA8Gy8zN8Gr8zL8GY8zp8I08dy8MEo8zT8Iq8dx8MEs8sT8zDz8zYn8dLa8MtR877Azkcg8082Am8Mk18YUd8082N38Mk187mzkEj8082NZ8Mk182AE8Mk182AM8Mk182AB8Mk184j3808z5M8SOD87o
it's the "SPRINT" animation i was talking about

[round cliff]

goofy aa

[jagged pier]

It will

[echo egret]

@jagged pier In your Zekvir video, once an ability is ready to be cast, DBM leaves the filled bar on the screen. How do you do that ? The only dbm setting I could find didn’t have that effect.

[void wadi]

ty

any idea why people all craft plate bracers first?

doesnt matter if i make waist/boots right?

[jagged pier]

Its little wigs or big wigs

[sharp gale]

i should post a 623 ilvl zekvir just video to showcase how strong i am at a videogame

[jagged pier]

I dont use dbm

[jagged pier]

Because its tbe lowst stated piece so u craft it because u wont replace it and loose the least amount of main stat at max gear

[void wadi]

we won't replace any crafted gear right? since they can all upgrade to 636 anyway

[sharp gale]

you will not replace embellished gears

you will replace any crafted gear without embellish bc it's 3 ilvl lost

[void wadi]

ah

thats assuming i get any mythic gear

you replace the 3 ilvl even if stats is not good?

[sharp gale]

yes that's why people crafts the shield or the wep bc it may be a long time before you see one or you want those two RIGHT NOW

[sharp gale]

there is almost always every combination of stats

[wicked pollen]

okay this time i played it in a key by accident

[sharp gale]

but like the shield is on ansurek MM lel

[graceful kite]

Youget a shield from 1st boss

[sharp gale]

i meant a crit haste shield

[twin hill]

weird question but: anyone without an MMO mouse willing to share a screenshot of their keybinds?

[sharp gale]

does 2 button mouse count ?

[wicked pollen]

i have 2 button but

[sharp gale]

like on the side, even at university their mouse have those

[jagged pier]

thats normal mouse

[wicked pollen]

I think he means on the side

[graceful kite]

I use. 1234 qertfgzxcvb and with shift mods

[jagged pier]

he asked about without mmo mice, mmo mice have like 12-15 buttons

[sharp gale]

but i have a french keyboard (AZERTY)

[wicked pollen]

ah

[opal forum]

g9 spell block
g10 ping
11 ignore pain
12 shockwave
13 berseker rage
14 dwarf racial
15 heroic throw
16 battle shout
17 nothing cuz feel awkward
18 battle stance
19 20 nothing

there you go

im not a pro so it dosent mean anything

its just what i like

[wicked pollen]

@jagged pier

It was accident I swear

[opal forum]

shift+18 for mount, and my 2 buttons under mousewheel are for ravager+spears

[round cliff]

g9 revenge shift+g9 shield slam
g10 clap shift+g10 shield charge
g11 heroic throw shift+g11 hamstring
g12 demo shout shift +g12 execute
g13 spear shift + g13 ravager
g14 charge shift + g14 leap

[opal forum]

or rally cry/intimidating shout when with shift

[round cliff]

g15 g16 are trinkets and i dont use the rest on pwar

[opal forum]

yeah i dont use alot of shift for my mouse

[round cliff]

but also fuck u for still having a g600

[opal forum]

i like using my keyboard as well

[round cliff]

mine broke and they dont make them anymore

and i wasnt abt to pay a scalper

[opal forum]

i had a razer naga in 2009

[round cliff]

i use a scimitar now, its fine enough

[opal forum]

i miss it so much

[opal forum]

i have to add that im a degenerate that move forward with E and walk left and right with W and R

is there anyone else who does this

[tribal wharf]

ESDF isnt as un-common as meta media around gaming would lead you to believe

also, john romero designed 1993 doom with the arrow keys in mind, as he uses left hand for mouse.

so, in short

[opal forum]

ewdr for me

[tribal wharf]

play whatever the fuck you want, as long as it works

[uncut dome]

whats the recomneded builæd for +10. is it the thane build listed in prot faq?

[opal forum]

wowhead

[uncut dome]

kk

[twin hill]

Thanks for the replies guys!

[tranquil charm]

is there any spreadsheet for enemy casts that are a must spell reflect?

[opal forum]

pinned comments

[twin hill]

check the pins!

[grim bobcat]

Is there a trick to have brann focus the egg on zekvir ?

at 614ilvl with everything speced to dps even i full cd i can't kill the egg half the time

[tribal wharf]

how is ele sham

there is big ass lightning storm outside irl rn

might try to find one today, had a hell of a day nothing went right at all yesterday

feel like i should, listen to what world trying to tell me haha

[round cliff]

ele is fire, u need an enh

theyre better anyways

[tribal wharf]

pwar enhance ??? rogue ?healer? would be a good meta key comp for us

[nocturne vine]

What talent are you playing?

[patent musk]

how do u pull as prot war, do u just zugzug touch ads before u plant, or do u carefully manuever so u are always facing the mobs and get adequate aggro

i am finding myself using defensives setting up the pull

[vapid valley]

are shattering/wrecking throw useful this week for the affix?

[jagged pier]

no u drop too much to take it

[round cliff]

not bad idea to press shield wall since its up for like every pack

[jagged pier]

zug

[round cliff]

but i just charge in and clap for aggro

u usually dont die

[graceful kite]

you do your dps rotation

if you're worrying for threat you can do clap avatar clap after charge

[patent musk]

i am worrying for me getting clapped

[graceful kite]

you use shield wall on pull every time

is has 35-50second cd

[patent musk]

so we throw the kitchen sink on pull and plant?

[graceful kite]

you charge into pack use shield block and wall and do your dpa rotation

shield wall ends use something else if still taking damage

reflect on any magic stuff if there's nothing to reflect soon

[patent musk]

i mean most dangerous pull i've done is the necrotic wake ones where i use defensives on pull, and then some annoying mobs remove 45-60% of my hp

and they remove max hp, so i get globalled

[graceful kite]

use other defensive after wall ends

[wicked pollen]

raid execute

do not do it

[graceful kite]

dont pull many bonecarvers or whatever they're called together

bad idea

its a death wish

[wicked pollen]

just do it with a forst

it explodes

[graceful kite]

nah

still bad idea

[nocturne vine]

I guessed that execute dmg was way too much

😝

[cinder marsh]

hey what embelishment gives this?

[sweet summit]

isn't it just called ascendance

[cinder marsh]

know where to get it?

[inner wren]

yeah you buy ascendance

[sweet summit]

it's an embellishment

[cinder marsh]

do i buy it on the AH/

cause its not showing

[sweet summit]

do you know how the new crafting system works?

[tribal wharf]

i gotta do big delves today and tomorrow

want to try another 9 since im 609 now

[cinder marsh]

dont see how its new buy i guess yea

[tribal wharf]

game reccomends 610, so i should be fine now

[cinder marsh]

i looked at the embelished section on the thing im gonna make but i dont see ascendance

[sweet summit]

i think it's weapon only or something

[rancid tiger]

So crafted weap?

[cinder marsh]

yea ik im crafting the everforged greatsword and i dont see it for some reason

[rancid tiger]

If prot offspec?

[inner wren]

im not a huge fan of it, takes forever to ramp and easy to fall off

[cinder marsh]

nah prot is mainspec

it should just show up in embelishments

[soft schooner]

You'll be fine doing +9s, usually even +11s, at that ilvl as prot for the most part. It's just slow.

But you could get a harsh zekvir lieutenant spawn in a place that just screws you over so it's kind of rng

[wicked pollen]

you lose too much shield block uptime

[raven knoll]

is there a way to sim what to craft next? or how do i find out. i have 636 ilvl crafted weapon and ill get shield now 636 with the stat emeblishment. now i wanna craft a 3rd item. do i just craft the lowest ilvl and put the embelishment on?

[solar crown]

Anyone done sekvir?? And have some tips?

[jagged pier]

cant really give tips because dont know how your handling it, but its very easy

u can bait casts

then go for egg

[round cliff]

? or ??

[solar crown]

??

How do you handle the dot/cast?

I use pummel on the heal, and end up not having anything for the dot

[round cliff]

kick the heal, hope brann kicks the dot cast and avatar it otherwise, save other cooldowns for eggs, just hope that the frontal doesnt cast over u while ur breaking egg cuz u dont have time to waste

dot is a slow

avatar breaks it

avatar is a dispel on ??

[solar crown]

True. But we dont have anything outside of avatar? Spell reflect didnt work for some reason

I assumed it would

[round cliff]

cuz it doesnt

[violet ginkgo]

well not all spell can be reflected

[toxic pewter]

I did it as arms, can charge out of dot

[solar crown]

Ok, then its a skill-issue, i can work with that

Charge out of dot?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah slayer talent charge gets you out of any slows or roots every 30 seconds

Can do as fury also I guess

[jagged pier]

i mean just hold avatar

brann gets most of them

[solar crown]

Brann is an absolute idiot in my case. But i'll give it another try

[round cliff]

how tf do u ?? as arms

[tribal wharf]

i just set him to healer

[round cliff]

dont u just get punched and die

[tribal wharf]

then i dont die as much

so its easier to focus and no mald out rage out of content

[jagged pier]

nah u cant kill eggs then

and he dispells less than intuprts

so not worth

[toxic pewter]

Just gotta press buttons. Can do as any of the three specs

[round cliff]

"press buttons"

yea i press release when i die to autos

[tribal wharf]

press mortal strike

win

[toxic pewter]

I found arms easier because of the charge thing I mentioned

Also had brann be healer tho

[tribal wharf]

there are some, many bosses were it is best dps to just spam ms and it covers some healing mechanic

warlock one isnt as good i see to recall for some reason

it was a long time ago, but the example i know for sure is the hydra in bfa uldir

he makes some kinda add and then consumes the body to heal over time

totally negated the threat of that ability just by having arms warrior in raid

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I would save my kick for the heal and just let brann get the dot or charge out of it

[tribal wharf]

but also, its an ability arms warrior have typically used like that for a very long time more in pvp i guess

[toxic pewter]

Def don’t let him heal in my opinion

[tribal wharf]

but there are way to make warrior cool basically

[narrow patrol]

614 ilvl enough for 8-9 keys? Keep getting rejected with 2k+ m+ score from anything over 7

[violet ginkgo]

it is enough but well I dunno ppl want more.

you getting rejected as tank or as dps though?

[narrow patrol]

Tank

[strong fox]

2k is a lil low for 8s and 9s when pugging. All 7s are like 2100 or something

[jagged pier]

its your io not your gear

pugs are picky

run your own key

[narrow patrol]

Gotcha, I’ll work on that

[strong fox]

Running your own key is a busted strat for m+ success

[vocal verge]

Gotta make friends that can press the correct buttons. Plenty of pugs rejecting the 609 warrior alt to 7s. Friends got on and we did some 11s

[toxic pewter]

wat why

[strong fox]

Because you control who is in your key

[toxic pewter]

If no one is picking him what else should he do

Wait does busted mean good or bad

[strong fox]

Good

[toxic pewter]

Oh..

[mild river]

Hello. The changes about to come next reset are a buff or nerf? I'm new to warrior and I'd like to ask the experts here, since I'm no math teacher lol

[jagged pier]

means nothing

wont change anything

[deft mortar]

Timed a NW 10 with the colossus spec

dmg overall is good ngl

[tribal wharf]

warcraft, warcraft never changes

[deft mortar]

idc how good Thane is, Demolish to 3rd boss with the spears feels too good

[tribal wharf]

the only war is the war of the mind

[peak light]

For NW boss 3, is there like a bug with the hook where it just doesn't hook at all?

[deft mortar]

Just gotta aim it well

[peak light]

I've had 2 keys in a row where the hook animation goes off and no hook comes out, and I have no idea whats happening

[kind urchin]

Gotta have perfect aim

[deft mortar]

Ur tank is in front of the hook

[peak light]

I am the tank and not near the hook xD

[deft mortar]

Someone very close must've gotten hooked

May even be in just the periphery

[icy flax]

Push ur own key

[icy flax]

Colossus purely got better no?(Not comparing to thane)

[void wadi]

how do u ensure you are inviting good players instead of shitty players into ur own key?

[deft mortar]

Check score and ilvl and if u are that obsessed, logs

[void wadi]

do u look at parsings for logs? if so, how much is good?

[sleek current]

They're not good metrics for a good player.

You're taking a gamble regardless.

[icy flax]

If you look at logs for keys I will make fun of you til my fingers fall off

[void wadi]

also, what kind of M+ team comp do u look for as a prot warrior?

[icy flax]

Ilvl lost an insane amount of value in TWW cuz ppls Ilvls are giga inflated by delves

[icy flax]

Stop thinking about that just do keys

Did u do any?

[sleek current]

I invite whoever has around the same iLvl score as me. Beyond this... It is what it is.

[molten gorge]

Idk if they're parsing grey in the raid over multiple weeks, not sure I want them in my key

[icy flax]

You misunderstood

[void wadi]

yea im just slowly gearing my prot warrior through delves

[icy flax]

If YOU look at anyone's logs for a key you deserve to be branded

[void wadi]

pumping 10s on my resto shammy

[icy flax]

Idk why you're not just going into keys you don't need gear

[void wadi]

i dont like keys below 77

7*

alot of noobs

lol

[icy flax]

What are you in the context of pwar?

[sleek current]

😂

[molten gorge]

10s are full of noobs too now, dw

[sleek current]

Not seen that word used unironically for years.

[icy flax]

You're gonna get in a 7 and eat shit cuz all u knew was how to fight 1 delve mob

Noobs come back around in recent years

[tropic tangle]

lol, I mean you're not getting invites into 7s on ilvl alone anyway

[icy flax]

Yep just push own key 🗝️

[icy flax]

Got 2k at 595 Ilvl

[molten gorge]

If you're behind the curve, have to push own key

[sleek current]

Push your own key. Invite around the metrics as you and just hope for the best. There isn't much to it. I've been up to 3.2k and it's always a gamble.

[tropic tangle]

that's the whole point of being a tank - you control the route/pace and who gets invited

[deft mortar]

I usually put 615+ and 2.4k+ for 10 keys

[tropic tangle]

• there are tons of DPS applying

you can be picky on DPS

[icy flax]

In the world of delves I'd say io matters more than Ilvl does

[wicked pollen]

make connections with good players

[icy flax]

Cuz look at tea; he could get to 610 without doing a dungeon like this week

[molten gorge]

For sure

[sleek current]

Yeah, good addition.

[molten gorge]

Seen some horrible high ilvl players

[wicked pollen]

Thats why I said good players not ilvl or io

[tropic tangle]

absolutely, I've seen such an incredibly wide range of play from people in the 615-619 range

people who cannot do simple boss mechs

[void wadi]

yea ilvl means nothing nowadays

[icy flax]

I had a SIX O 9 hunter on day 1 on mythic 0 week
He did less damage than the follower dungeon hunter does

[wicked pollen]

I have a friend sitting at 580 id take him in a heart beat into a 10

idc

[molten gorge]

Lmao

[icy flax]

[sleek current]

iLvl is a metric of how powerful your character is. Not how well you can use it. So, it's never going to be a good metric.

If you look at world firsters and 0.1%'ers. They invite purely based on attitude and track record.

[tropic tangle]

that's just hunter diffy

the floor for that class is subterranean

[deft mortar]

Ilvl matters a lot early on

When only obsessed mfs have high gear

[tropic tangle]

it doesn't matter nearly as much as people think

good play makes up for so much more than baseline higher numbers

[deft mortar]

That where 2.4k+ comes in

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Hi, Ghash, ily.
Hope you're doing good.

[warm plinth]

Yis! Starting my new position at work this coming week

🤑

[tropic tangle]

get the bag

[icy flax]

This was completely invalidated in TWW with delves

People could do solo content and fight 1 mob at a time as they please and get an absolutely obscene Ilvl for that 'stage'(?) of the expansion hence why I had someone at 610 3 weeks in do auto attck damage

[tropic tangle]

exactly

plus you can be in full 619 without running higher than a 7

or at least close to it

at this point, you could be in that ballpark probably off of delve only

[exotic geyser]

@shut summit

I found this spell is reflectable

When the spell is reflected, it leaves a web, but the character is free.

[arctic quartz]

how does 2nd boss in nw work

[wicked pollen]

you kick

then kill

[arctic quartz]

everyone just dies to tortured echoes, i struggle alot with kicking/stunning the mage AND getting aggro on everything

[toxic pewter]

Dk helps a lot on that fight with grips

[arctic quartz]

well i dont have a dk

[wicked pollen]

the group has to contribute to kicks

if they dont kick

[arctic quartz]

okay but im pugging so they arent contribuyting

[wicked pollen]

not your fault

[arctic quartz]

what can ME as a tank do

[wicked pollen]

oh well

kick your own

[toxic pewter]

Get aggro on everything asap

Stun int

[arctic quartz]

not scared of getting hit in the back while getting aggro?

[blazing condor]

position boss so the boss spawns the ads better

[arctic quartz]

how do i do that?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I tank him in corner

[blazing condor]

put boss in corner

instead of spawning 360 around him

[arctic quartz]

the one where spear is?

[blazing condor]

it spawns in an arc where there's no walls

[toxic pewter]

I use one to left of where you enter

[blazing condor]

i used to tank him where the golem was in shadowlands

but its whatever

[tropic tangle]

you can always send an orb if needed to corral one set

in SL I was always saving that for the trash in the top area, but that feels a lot less punishing currently

[toxic pewter]

Disrupting shout could be useful if you want to talent it. Can use on first and third adds

[tropic tangle]

ah yeah, with disrupting + 1 orb you could cover 3 spawns pretty well and the fight shouldn't go much beyond that

[arctic quartz]

guess ill save an orb for that

[toxic pewter]

I never use orb myself I save orb for next pull I go big

[arctic quartz]

disrupt when both mages are up? or wait until they are casting

[toxic pewter]

Try and wait to get at least one

[wicked pollen]

casting

[tropic tangle]

yeah, you want them casting so it interrupts

[arctic quartz]

mh okay

what talent should i skip to get disrupting shout?

[tropic tangle]

alternate options are always CC though

priest can shackle, DK can control undead, etc

if they're CC'd they shouldn't blow up the group unless they changed it from SL

[wicked pollen]

also you can sr the boss cast on you to kick one of the mages

[arctic quartz]

yeah but i dont wanna rely on pugs

[toxic pewter]

Bloodsurge pretty much

[wicked pollen]

you will have to eventually

[arctic quartz]

yeah but im not at that point yet

[tropic tangle]

you're already relying on pugs

[arctic quartz]

i want to do my best myself as much as possible

[tropic tangle]

unless you're soloing the dungeon and they're just rp walking behind you pressing no buttons

[arctic quartz]

oh also anybody has some weakaura or soemthing to help me intervene the breath on first boss?

struggling with finding the target > finding on frames before the cast goes off

[wicked pollen]

you could make it on your own

or what do you mean

[arctic quartz]

im really dumb so i dont think ill figure it out

[wicked pollen]

like a reminder?

[arctic quartz]

when breath happens i want to see the name of who its targeted at

[wicked pollen]

it might show on plater who is being cast on

or there might also just be a visual cue

[arctic quartz]

guess ill try the quazi plater profile

there is a visual cue but im pretty slow

and does anybody know if i intervene the target, does it still hit the rest of the group if we are all stacked?

or can you psuedo cheese by stacking and intervening it

[deft mortar]

Yuh nah buddy I am still inviting the 627 arcane mage

[kind urchin]

DBM flashes their name. That's what I use to know who to intervene.

[icy flax]

Okay you're missing my point

Ilvl between like 610-615 was mostly affected is what I should have clarified

Once you get 618 and stuff the delve boosts become much less prevalent

[icy flax]

What dungeons is this about?

[deft mortar]

yeh i usually play 620+

[drifting fable]

NW prolly

[brave cliff]

If you don’t have dk or any one who can relocate adds for you like monk with ring etc.you tank the boss on the top right corner extreme corner as soon as you enter the boss room top right

This made it much easier as the add spawn much closer and manageable

[icy flax]

When are we intervening people I don't even have it talented

Did enough intervene with reprisal legendary in SL for the rest of my fuckin life

[sleek current]

When there is a mechanic in which they would be killed...

[tribal wharf]

Using my intervene to save someone in key = L
Using my intervene to get somewhre faster = W

[sleek current]

You can intervene the ricochet on second boss in SoB. Your healer will love you for it.

Make sure you don't intervene to a ranged target though. You leave that bosses side, your healer will then hate you instead.

[wooden widget]

we using culminating blasphemite and a bunch of unique gems?

[raven knoll]

how do i sim what item to craft next. after shield and weapon

like is hat possible with the sim program

[tropic tangle]

think it's a sim angle, but we are very haste hungry esp being the first tier

[edgy bone]

What does contorl undead do there?

[marble night]

can the spotters in Seige not be death grip'd? asked the dps dk to yoink them for me and he said he couldnt

[tropic tangle]

controls one of the adds for 30 sec

[edgy bone]

Won't it just come alive the next wave and need killed again?

Seems like a double edged sword

[tropic tangle]

no, it still gets eliminated by the boss ability

but when CC'd the adds don't do damage to the group

[edgy bone]

wowwww

[tropic tangle]

again, if they didn't change this from SL

[edgy bone]

and boss ability is less than 30 sec after the adds spawn?

always/

?

[tropic tangle]

can't recall exactly, but I used to run blood in SL and I would move the boss over one ranged, grip one, then control undead the third

also doesn't work for unholy since they already have a pet out, so it's frost/blood angle

[tribal wharf]

if its unchanged from bfa

its really simple

they mc undeead

and then, once it breaks free, they mc it again

and then repeat to infinity

i know this because we had BDK/UHDK did this every single Atal dazar

[tropic tangle]

I may be misremembering, but if it does stay alive you can just kill it in between when the CC breaks

then you deal with 4 adds before the big pop, 1 add between

[tribal wharf]

there is a chance players can kill it, yes

red = dead

as thor would say

so, to avoid this, the dk typically, but anyone with a brain announces chat or voice "hey dont kill this thing dk is going re control it now"

[tropic tangle]

no, you'd want to kill it

it's very easy to deal with 1 add in between waves

then you can control another on the next wave

[graceful kite]

Fake news

[tribal wharf]

well, in atal dazar

[graceful kite]

Uhdk cant control undead

[tribal wharf]

we kept him to the end of the dungeons most times

[tropic tangle]

yogi, ain't nobody talking about bfa or ataldazar

[graceful kite]

Because they will lose their ghoul

[tropic tangle]

we're talking about necrotic wake

[tribal wharf]

theres lots of undead there im pretty sure

[tropic tangle]

I mean this in the most complementary way possible, but is there a plan in place to donate your brain to science?

[tribal wharf]

i mean, is nw really you need a priest a paladin and a dk

just to deal with some skeleton boys

if you mean boss 2 , and he spawns a bunch of skeleton men, the real threat of those is the ones using the cross bow

just sits there shooting you full of arrows, tons of physical dmg, kick the mage and bring em to cross bows with stuns to go on him

[loud wave]

Are You Guys running spear or roar? Cause I see alot of high io score players using roar

[raven knoll]

roar is bait

[loud wave]

What do You mean?

[edgy bone]

Yeah i'd like to hear this explanation too

[merry sluice]

Only thing worth controlling on BDK is mages or vanguard in first area

A mage interrupt getting through is the thing that wipes you in 2nd, assuming you didn’t leave any non-controlled adds alive during the pop

[tribal wharf]

my assumption is that we want spear because of the crit chance which the thundering blast hero talent, which we activate thundering blast via proc with shield slam and using it causes use to have 2 back to back ss

[edgy bone]

Can you re-word that?

I barely understood what you were trying to say

[tribal wharf]

More reload, more ping, more ping, more DOPAMINE,

[edgy bone]

No way english is your first language

[tribal wharf]

im 1/2 way memeing with this but in hero talents thane left side bottom

[edgy bone]

Are you saying that shield slam crits give us more thundering blast?

I'd argue that thunderous roar gets better at 40% haste once you take ITF

[inner wren]

https://tenor.com/view/fatasswizardcastsice-fatasswizard-gif-12811202771741751493

[edgy bone]

Roar gets better with haste and spear stays the same

@raven knoll speak up buttcheese

[tribal wharf]

its to do with these talents

[empty path]

@strong forum how is darkmoon sigil: Ascension+writhing armor banding embelishments in compare with crit/vers ones for pwarrs ? Is it even worth to test it ?

[tribal wharf]

i think i recall if you get critical you get a garunteed lightning, turning on thunder blast, which, when used, would then have a high chance to activate burst of power

meaning more rage, to fuel everything in prot tree

[strong forum]

for m+ pretty shit

for raid probably decent

[empty path]

ty!

[edgy bone]

How come we choose spear over roar?

[tribal wharf]

why am i confusing this with critical stuff, maybe thats how it was in the past?

[harsh bobcat]

All 3k+ pwarrs atm seem to be running high vers instead of crit and ascension instead of weave embellishments…. This is considered a dps loss but survivability gain?

[marble night]

can you pick up NW weapons while stealthed? or does that break you out of stealth

[wooden widget]

They probably run verse for smoother magic dmg intake. And they’re probably below 80% more than an average +10 player

But it could also be feelycraft on their part. either way their gameplay is more deterministic than secondaries at all levels

[lyric bane]

Could you elaborate on that last part about determinism and secondaries?

[ocean nova]

champion spear pretty fancy in m+ for mobs you want to keep in place

[sweet summit]

versmaxxing with itf is so delusional or

[sterile bough]

how much do u guys sim for st? casue it feels tragic for me ngl

[pallid quiver]

Basically, most damage in M+ is entirely avoidable or pre-planned and can be handled by CDs and in-built mitigation tools. That, in combination with the fact that secondaries are all close together defensively, means it really doesn't matter your secondary spread

[iron lagoon]

Hey guys, doesn't pwar feel a bit bloated in a sense that, yes every button is kinda meaningful, but the spam Demo shout, ravager, spear, shield charge is kinda eeeeh. I think biggest culprit for me is spear, i don't really like ravager but free rage and one button like this is ok but spear kinda feels like double gcd/button press (not for the same thing, but idk)

How does it play

feel like every pack i would be ravager ... spear ... begin to play

Other classes mught be worse tho but idk

[final gust]

Bdk is worse, but Warr in general has a lot of buttons

most capstones are just another button

[merry trout]

guys for NW, before first boss, do you go right in center and kill one of those big summoner guys?

coz when i engage boss, im quickly running out of room

[inner wren]

if you dont like buttons just play guardian druid

[sweet summit]

i only do 1 gatekeeper, at first pull with lust

[loud wave]

Bleeds do more DMG with more haste?

[merry trout]

alright

[sweet summit]

send mdt screenshot of how you play it?

[merry trout]

with lust, oh you mean high keys

[sweet summit]

so i can see

[ocean nova]

i currently dont even run ravager using battle scared veteran instead

[sweet summit]

i think most people run ravager

[iron lagoon]

Ravager does seems too strong to drop even tho it feels bad for me

[merry trout]

5th pull i split it, idk why i took em tgt

just wanna know if 2nd pull is viable for keys around +8

[iron lagoon]

Spear on the other hand seems to just be "Why would you take worse talents when you can burst with it"

[lyric bane]

Ty. That makes a lot of sense.

[grim pilot]

You should have lots of space

[south zealot]

a LOT of ppl drop it for bsv

[sweet summit]

assuming everyone didn't blow all cooldowns on 1st pull you should be turbo shilling no problem

[merry trout]

alright, ty

[ocean nova]

BSV saved my ass plenty of times

[sterile bough]

try this

feel pretty chill

[merry trout]

ohhh ok

[sweet summit]

[dark cosmos]

is this enough count??

oh you pull gatekeeper nvm

[dusty raven]

pretty chill

[sterile bough]

spell bock

[dark cosmos]

think narzudah is pretty unavoidable since they (for some reason) make the count req so high

[sterile bough]

or orb + dobule

[dark cosmos]

ya i just double orb

[sterile bough]

with maruarder

[dark cosmos]

if people kick its kinda free

if people dont kick haha go next

[sweet summit]

if people don't kick you're kinda cooked regardless of if you pull that or not

innit

[hot willow]

Hello, if i want to improve on playing prot in m+, what should i look mon my key's logs?

[sweet summit]

blocked hits, casts per minute and wasted rage are the first few things we look at generally

[turbid shuttle]

I just did this on 11 and it felt good. use orbs on pull 7, pull 9, and 2nd boss 2nd adds.

[hot willow]

And what a goal for cpm and blocked hits ?
Rage wasted as low as possible i get that

[sweet summit]

blocked hits for 100%, cpm like above 80 or something in combat and as low wasted rage as possible i think

[hot willow]

Ok ty sir

[turbid shuttle]

100% is ideal, but not really possible. over 90% and you're doing ok. over 95% and you're doing very well. 98% is probably the highest you'll ever seen in practice, if that.

[raw gyro]

Shield is like our biggest upgrade right?

[sweet summit]

100% is possible with HR, i'm kinda stinky poopy so i'm not there quite yet

[sweet summit]

defensively ye

[raw gyro]

I can take a 616 ring over a 567 or a 606 shield over a 574 one

[turbid shuttle]

100% uptime is possible. 100% blocked hits I would challenge anyone to produce a log of a full key with 100% blocked hits.

theoretically with perfect play it's possible, but I doubt anyone ever actually achieves it.

[sweet summit]

yeah that's fair

[strong forum]

It's also nonsensical to try cuz most back hits you get is from gathering packs

You'd need to play so turbo careful and slow to avoid getting hit in the back to get 100%

[turbid shuttle]

yea for sure.

[sweet summit]

is this vault stuff?

[lusty karma]

how long if at all do i hold cd's for fights like queen (for instance to do demolish for webs/adds)

[raw gyro]

Yea from last reset

[sweet summit]

i think i'd go shield

[raw gyro]

yea was thinking of that as well

ty

[sharp epoch]

Can prot pull through the maze walls in mists?

[sweet summit]

one pack by 2nd boss

the rest has to be pet pulls

[sharp epoch]

Ah ok. Is that one just a simple taunt through wall?

[sweet summit]

ye taunt / hc throw

[sharp epoch]

Ok cool thank you

[sweet summit]

you know which one i'm referring to?

something like here iirc

but also anyone can do that

[merry sluice]

technically bdk can non-pet pull stuff that requires pets

but, yes

[turbid shuttle]

I think there's one on the poison miniboss, and I also did one on my dh with the dragon miniboss (2 guardian though, so very very dangerous to do with dragon)

[sweet summit]

the minibosses are random now so idk what room you're talking about but if you find it please share

[turbid shuttle]

the path is random, but which mob is in which room is not

[sweet summit]

are you sure? someone told me they were random now, was i lied to?

[turbid shuttle]

I'm not 100% sure. I'd have to check a few vods to see if the room always looks the same on each miniboss, but this was how I thought it worked. certainly many of the non-miniboss rooms have fixed trash every time.

[sweet summit]

that was certainly the case in shadowlands with fixed mini-bosses, but they made a few changes going into tww

[turbid shuttle]

here's dragon miniboss with wall pull. I don't think warrior can reach this far with 30 yard hammer, but ranged dps presumably can. https://streamable.com/nadser

[sweet summit]

throw glaive is also 30 yards, or do they have a talent to increase it

[turbid shuttle]

they have a talent for +10 now

here's poison miniboss
https://streamable.com/nadser

[sweet summit]

that's the same video no?

[turbid shuttle]

sorry mislink 1 sec

edited

wtf...

there we go

[sweet summit]

yeah i see, thanks a lot!
doesn't seem like warrior is able to do this

[turbid shuttle]

I'm gonna test rq in a normal and see

[merry sluice]

You can also do illegal shit with a DK

They can technically pull like up to 100 yards while ignoring line of sight...
(definitely a fucking exploit)

[sweet summit]

singular buff @ blizzard

r word not good

[turbid shuttle]

oh yea I think one of the embellishments can pull also, but not sure on range

I've definitely pulled mobs by accident with the focusing lens

[frail ibex]

I mean its what I was called lol

[sweet summit]

what the hell that's funny as fuck

[tranquil charm]

when do i use spell block? (not spell reflect)
does that make all casts coming at me blocked isnt that OP?

[warm plinth]

I've heard that posting an image of the word that got you blocked is a really good idea. Isn't it @ionic fern

[sweet summit]

the reflect sheet also includes spells and abilities blockable with it! go check it out

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[violet ginkgo]

It's also in the document you just need to see it.

oof he is gone mwahi so quick 😄

[frail ibex]

Didnt get me blocked just didnt let me post it

[merry sluice]

Subduing grasp makes it when the DK grips an enemy, that they also apply a dr to the enemy

If you focus grip an enemy in range, but target one of the enemies on the otherside of the wall, it'll apply the DR to the enemy targeted, but grip your focus...

So it'll prob be fixed at some point

Tettles made a video on it so its already basically dead lmfao

but also means a dk can pull from damn near any room if u have one in ur group if they know it

[merry trout]

can someone share their mists route

[merry trout]

ty, just tried this, felt awesome.

[merry trout]

sry i meant mists 😛

[frail ibex]

-_-

[merry trout]

ty tho ❤️

[sweet summit]

mists is kinda hard to route due to maze rng

[misty garnet]

Couldn't find it described in either wowhead or icyveins guide. Why are we running spear over roar on mountain thane talents?

I just think roar is so much nicer to use, and it was the main go to during dragonflight.

[frail ibex]

Mists is kinda just

[merry trout]

oh, so the % there is random?

[frail ibex]

press w

[turbid shuttle]

you can't really route much in mists. depends on maze. generally you skip the 2nd pack, pull what you can through walls during maze, and then fill with grubs to 100%

[merry trout]

im curious to see what u guys pulling before 1st boss

[frail ibex]

Just depends on how hard you wanna press w

[sweet summit]

#protection message

[merry trout]

like, can i pull the first room and 2nd room before 1st boss? so i dont have to hunt for too much % at final boss

or are the adds too OP

[sweet summit]

i do something like this

• maze stuff

[merry trout]

ohhh, got it

[turbid shuttle]

in my experience this is pretty standard before 1st boss. only real flex is if you do mushrooms before pull 2 or after, and whether you do pull 2 and 3 together.

[merry trout]

ty

[merry trout]

yeah ive been doin this one since shadowlands

[sweet summit]

oh yeah you can skip the first villager that probably isn't a bad idea

[merry trout]

da heck, how do you do pull 8 there? so far away

[turbid shuttle]

skip the 1st 3 pack after 2nd boss is also very common, then double pull, then triple pull.

[turbid shuttle]

"dbl. care agg". then throw hammer the side mobs, drag all the way to center, and pull the big pack. people know what you're doing bc it's very common.

[sweet summit]

you kinda run like this

[merry trout]

ohh

got it, thanks!

[misty garnet]

Ok, that doesn't feel like it's that big of a deal, I'd rather hit more targets with roar.

[turbid shuttle]

I started doing this and it feels pretty good. reavers are danger though.

[sweet summit]

do you shroud g29

[turbid shuttle]

oh dh I prison. if I have a lock can gate. aug can sleepwalk .otherwise I kill it.

you cc the left mob (bottom on MDT) and walk by

[sweet summit]

ahh i see, that seems way more efficient

:noted:

[turbid shuttle]

kinda depends. if you get enough count elsewhere it's nice. if you're short count, and you just end up pulling the 4 grubs after boss, it's kinda whatever. 3 vs 4.

[sweet summit]

fair, i'm just thinking cooldowns usually come up/are back up after boss so doing a 3 mob pull is kinda sad no?

[violet ginkgo]

do you perhaps got any good WA for the maze part?

[turbid shuttle]

yea that is always a free gain too, you're right

[potent tree]

What would u say it’s short count? That would make u pull the 3 mob pack

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/04YHZsxIO 🫡

[turbid shuttle]

I think a lot of people use this: https://wago.io/04YHZsxIO/17

[violet ginkgo]

Alright2 thx to you both.

[turbid shuttle]

if you're not able to get maze trash. e.g. if the maze path takes you through the pack you'd normally wall pull before 2nd boss.

it's still probably better to skip anyways, just because of cooldowns

[mellow quartz]

does the CDR from the affix this week work on shield block?

[sweet summit]

[mellow quartz]

nice

was wondering if my SB uptime with ITF was 'fake'

[sweet summit]

were you gaming hard

[mellow quartz]

almost no downtime in a random 11 mist

[sweet summit]

hell yeah

[mellow quartz]

96% sb uptime in details with ITF

[violet ginkgo]

what is affected by this week affix cdr?

only exclude that charge system spells?

[sweet summit]

not items either

[warm plinth]

Nome said it seems anything that has a hasted cooldown is not affected

So basically our entire kit

[sweet summit]

thunder clap is almost certainly affected

[warm plinth]

But we do get higher CDR from AM

[mellow quartz]

with 34% 'base' haste

and ITF

[violet ginkgo]

I see.. thx for the info ghash

[hearty kettle]

A general tank question: what do you need to know / learn for tanking in m+? I mean learning the class is the one thing but what else is important?

Im a main DD 2.7k rio player (hardstuck), so im looking for something new… and i want to be prepared about my new role 🙂

[south zealot]

same as dps really

know whats gonna hurt and how to prevent it

[turbid shuttle]

what do all the mobs do. what are the things that kill people. what are the things that kill you.

[mild river]

I thought I was a good tank when I was taking zero damage in a 9 and then I went to my first 10 and oh boy! So much damage 💔

[sharp gale]

Isn’t it tyrannical under 10 this week ?

[violet ginkgo]

Well... I think learning route is obvious also learn how many can you survive during the pull, know when to press big defensive. I think that's it? I don't need I have to mention dps since you gotta dps to maintain aggro.

[sharp gale]

Basically know what any dude needs to know + route and tank mechs

[mild river]

Yeah. Wait what? I get fort in a 10 this week? That's why! I'm such a noob lol

[violet ginkgo]

it is happy, I think reina just take a big jump of damage once that fortify active too.

[mild river]

When I played in BFA it was so different. I must read the changes before attempting another 10

Thanks 😊

[sharp gale]

That’s why then, in Tyra you learn what bosses do, in fort you learn what trashs do

You learn what is anima slash in mists or grim trash shits

[tribal wharf]

why is the 3k text red

usually this is a bad thing

[sharp gale]

Red > Green

I learned it with Garrosh

[graceful tiger]

Guys I have a question, today Ive tried necro +12 with dh+boomy.. On first pull (classical gatekeeper) +bl I have really big problem to maintain aggro (dh peak close to 16mil dudu 11mil and so on) I used challenging roar + taunt on single mob but I lose all aggro, btw my dps opening on this pull is close to 3 mil.. Any suggestions? How can improve my rotation for handle this big spike of dmg? Because 1 melee =1 death and this can't happen on +12

[violet ginkgo]

basically this time is like this
2: Whatever Xalatath affix which change weekly
4: Tyran or Forti (changing weekly)
7: Challenger peril (death is 15 secs penalty)
10: Tyran or Forti (whichever is not active on 4, will be active this time, so you basically will face Tyran+Forti at this point)
12: Xalatath something (Replacing the 2 weekly affix into something static, all Enemies gain 20% more damage and 20% more health)

[sharp gale]

Did they die from melees ?

[violet ginkgo]

Uh... also maybe some basic question from me, did your teammate start bursting before you "stop" or something? basically not giving you time to setup aggro first?

[graceful tiger]

Yep, close to 4/5 sec after pull start

[tribal wharf]

so......... right now........ with doing all the world quests i guess it is

[violet ginkgo]

because if they did so Jack... that is not on you. They should've wait for you to stop build aggro a bit before they bursting instead of bursting while you pulling or before you stop.

[tribal wharf]

we should be at 3.5 spark?

and then reset is 4?

[graceful tiger]

I can't able to regroup mob, dh die istant then dudu

[tribal wharf]

i got delves n shit to do, might do 4 keys btween then for 8 reward

[violet ginkgo]

Why this is sounds like DPS problem bursting too early while tank still pulling or aggroing everything? What do you think Happy?

[violet ginkgo]

Yes yogi 3.5 now.

[tribal wharf]

im not sure what specific event you do to get a spark

since there are now so many types of world events

[graceful tiger]

Because as a tank when I charge on this big pull I enter all time with shield Wall and some rage can be pumped on ignored pain + shield block or I got melted

[sharp gale]

How you pull the first pack ? I charge TC left, heroic leap, avatar TB on middle, charge in caster pack TB

[tribal wharf]

so, spark is important and i would like to target that first

or does it just catch up

[graceful tiger]

Feeling lose 2/3 global to setup myself and I lose all aggro

[tribal wharf]

like, you cant miss out, is what im asking

[violet ginkgo]

I think the weekly quest will give you Yogi or raid finder.

[tribal wharf]

i wish there was an option for "i want to run the entire raid" LFR

sometimes lfr you get in really strong groups

[sharp gale]

It catch up but not the current week, that’s it

[tribal wharf]

and then its just for 1 boss, and then sadge

[graceful tiger]

Charge frontal, when charge shield Wall + avatar then throw right side, jump above (gatekeeper)+roar, at this point some global into shield block + slam +ignore pain (dh got detonated) (boomy after)

[tribal wharf]

oh, learned recently, with the sheild stampede bros after killing 3 of 4 bosses in SV

you can totally cheese them

bring them to narrow doorway, everyone stands at wall

then the monster can only run 10 feet

[sharp gale]

So they died before the pull is finished ?

[graceful tiger]

Before all mobs got grouped

[graceful kite]

intervene dh

always a good fallback

[graceful tiger]

Nice spot, this for sure next time I'll intervene back to dh

[graceful kite]

its a good practice when there's gonna be insane dps burst yea

[mellow quartz]

I hate that wowhead post about 'how to handle first boss in SV'. As a pwar I just want my healer to dispel the dot on CD and take the hit with block and full IP lol

[sharp gale]

Like they were surprised being meleed at 12 m dps before the pull is finished ? Looks like ara Kara all until spider pull and a fury blade storm midway

[graceful tiger]

For sure, "gg tank" left

[tribal wharf]

is the goal of machinists to run around the room in a like a basically gear shaped pattern?

cuz like, theres shit in the middle and then 3/4 vents go fire, so wtf

[proud dock]

can u skip that last dragon before last boss in GB always just by hugging wall?

[tribal wharf]

i would struggle to know how to do that fight on a 10

[graceful tiger]

Yes

[mellow quartz]

just find the went that is not active

[proud dock]

ty

[violet ginkgo]

yeah well then I am correct, this is not a you problem, this is your teammate problem

[hearty kettle]

Yeah tank mechanics is something what is new to me tbh 😄

[sharp gale]

It’s something new others don’t really interact with except dmg taken amps,

[tribal wharf]

i dont hate delves

like i do keys

[sharp gale]

I’m fine with keys, I hate 12s

[tribal wharf]

whats nice about delves is they are easy and flexible solo

[sharp gale]

First time I took seriously my friend saying key should not deplete if untimed

[tribal wharf]

no timer

i can run it by my self in 7 minutes or 70

[sharp gale]

I don’t really interact with delves since m+, it’s just when I help a friend’s alt or my own alt to gear to go in m+

And I only do zekvir on my alts for the weekly chest

[violet ginkgo]

what about raid?

[tribal wharf]

raid can be fun but often feels like work

the not fun boring laborous type

[tribal wharf]

what in the hell is a plastron

chest armor apparently

[echo egret]

What would be the reason to not kill the egg in time on Zekvir ??
I have a single-target build, all cooldowns up (Demo shout,SCharge, Rav, Roar) and still sometimes I can't kill it in time with full uptime on it.
I just don't understand, unless it relies on "luck with shield slam resets".

[tribal wharf]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[warm barn]

yay

[tribal wharf]

god why

[zealous goblet]

thank god people who make their last names in wow aren't perverted

we are glad to have brann bronzebeard, but we'd might cry if muradin mythrilcock was on our side

[timber viper]

Is that good?

[warm plinth]

No, it's trash

[tribal wharf]

if it also had normal 2 secondary stats

maybe

not like some reduced amoun

[uncut scroll]

is swarmlord authority good or is the dps loss too much?

it seems to give a bit of survivability

[void wadi]

its a big dps loss if u take swarmlord's authority

unless you have trouble surviving

[uncut scroll]

i see

[void wadi]

probably best to use top dps trinkets

ara + mark/shard is good combo

its a good trinket to have if u are in risk of dying tho

[maiden eagle]

i like this grapic

[vague abyss]

i have problems keeping people up in Necrotic Wake 7-8 second boss, seems like the adds just kill the people too fast for me to aggro them

[unkempt pasture]

So i have crafted both waist and wrist at 636 but do I need to do another like sword and shield as unlikely will get mythic weapons and shield?

[vague abyss]

i mean, the first boss of mythic is very puggeable

[graceful kite]

they're stunned when they appear and you can see where they appear

aoe damage ranged with 1 warrior and taunt other warrior

[potent tree]

Well u need help with interrupts there. But shouldn’t be too hard. Use taunt, aoe taunt and try to get 2 initially with TC or TB

Can grab an animal orb for that fight as well

Having a DK dps also helps

[void wadi]

or bring a DK to abom limb for u lol

and grip

[unkempt pasture]

True but as Prot I need Sikran that do able or?

Still have not killed Ansurek seems too hard for a PUG

[vague abyss]

yeah i feel thats a bit too hard for a PUG

[unkempt pasture]

Might just hold off and see what others do seems like most top players have gone sword and shield over waist and wrist for now

[main walrus]

noob question, is nature damage magic damage ?

better, is any damage other than written physical damage magic damage ?

[pallid quiver]

Preeeeetty much

[violet ginkgo]

I didn’t expect sacbrood is about middle, i thought it was bis?

[pallid quiver]

Any kind of shadow/nature/frost/fire/arcane/mixture of those are all magic damage, and get reduced by SR

[pallid quiver]

It's better in AOE than ST, and is also valued for defensive benefit

[main walrus]

thaaank you

[void wadi]

that graph is just plainly AOE dps patchwerk 5 targets on bloodmallet

not accounted for survivability etc

[edgy bone]

yeah bro the more haste you have the faster the bleeds tick

[void wadi]

the trinket gives haste which adds to more damage as well

so actually swarmlord should be a little higher since it gives haste too lol

might be more accurate to use raidbots.com and simulate it urself

[reef hazel]

god pugging 10s is so rough fml

I'm definitely not the best but man its so hard to get a stable group

[tranquil charm]

Swarmlord's Authority trinket is listed as C tier on wowhead trinket list but all top prot warriors use it
is it correctly rated?

[sweet summit]

god pugging 10s is so rough fml

[reef hazel]

mists, cot, db & ara were so smooth - everything else so far is absolute pain

[sweet summit]

the rest kinda need a bit more coordination yeah

[tropic tangle]

yeah, it can be a crapshoot

[warm plinth]

erga

why do you think they haven't given me friend role

[sweet summit]

there is a conspiracy against you

[tropic tangle]

at least once you've got a 10+ you start getting plenty of decent players

[warm plinth]

I knew it

[wicked pollen]

eh

there are a bunch of coinflips in 10s

[reef hazel]

Idk so far I've had some special people in 10s

[tropic tangle]

well, I guess what I mean is you can be selective and choose someone who's a little better than a coinflip 😄

[reef hazel]

myself included tbh

[warm plinth]

Hey it's me

I'm special

My mom said so

[tropic tangle]

maybe it's just luck so far, but running my own key I haven't gotten bad players since moving up into 10s

[inner wren]

navigating 6s and 7s on my alt was significantly more painful than 9s and 10s

up to 2400 on my alt warrior, 620 now

pretty chill

[warm barn]

This is the most wholesome thing I've heard all weekend.

[acoustic dew]

Am I crazy or is Oppressive orator's lyrnx shit

I stood there hitting the target dummy and the stacks are so low

I mean I'm gonna try it out in a key

but how does it work, how many stacks should you expect in a real tanking environment

[zealous goblet]

does shield charge have a target softcap?

it doesnt mention dealing reduced damage beyond x targets

[graceful kite]

pure trash