it was just a dungeon where I wanted to show you sb uptime with itf being there all the time
#protection
cosmic canyon
cosmic canyon
if you want to play around it, making sure not to take small hits to the back, that's up to you
mellow quartz
to be fair his log shows a SB uptime of 95% and 95% active
unblocked hits can just be smallies you dont care about grouping up
jagged pier
but that not what he claimed yesterday aly
mellow quartz
mine with HR
cosmic canyon
I was just making a random dungeon to share the sb uptime
jagged pier
thats bad 👀
mellow quartz
thats from a 12 AK I just did most are from setting up shit
jagged pier
i asked u to provide data to prove yur said of the conversation
thats what i was asking for
i u havent provided anything
cosmic canyon
i asked u to provide data to prove yur said of the conversation
and now when data is here you still don't see the point i'm trying to make, but insist of doubling down arguing your case.
Just stop it
drop this topic
warm plinth
What is the point you're trying to make?
toxic pewter
Not really toxic to ask for proof and then discuss the proof though
warm plinth
Genuine question
edgy bone
How can you say no need when shockwave and fear are two different DRs? If you're in a group with multiple AoE stuns doesn't that make intim shout even more valuable?
strong forum
how can you be so adamant about a flex point
edgy bone
I'm just asking
Don't get defensive
You're a great player and I know you're better than me
Just wanted to pick your brain
I don't have the knowledge or experience you do and I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thought process
feral gulch
I take every cc as well as aoe interrupt because i dont trust anyone
strong forum
fear is target capped to 5 targets + main target
toxic pewter
No one’s even defensive lol wtf is going on in here.. you’re projecting hard
mellow quartz
I use intim shout all the time
strong forum
so it rarely does what you want in most keys
i dont use it at all cuz i dont have the point for it
edgy bone
Because you'd need both points in intim shout to make it worth it, to make it uncapped?
cosmic canyon
i dont use it at all cuz i dont have the point for it
what's your last point in on warrior tree? I prefer the runspeed one as baseline but then flex into dungeon specific ones where needed.
toxic pewter
No one uses that talent
violet ginkgo
What is the point you're trying to make?
He is trying to say that ITF is enough to make 95%+ uptime, sure the uptime is matching according to logs but his blocked hit number is 86%.
mellow quartz
why would you do that
strong forum
my builds are on wowhead
edgy bone
Because I can give up the thunderclap talent and the improved shockwave
mellow quartz
crackling thunder is the best talent
violet ginkgo
you can't give up TC talent, the AOE is nice for mythic
jagged pier
What is the point you're trying to make?
his point was all the top ppl are using ITF on murlockio and droping other weird talents to take BSV so they must be right, then said it was more defensive than HR or implied it. said he got 98% blocked hits with ITF. All i asked for was a log showing it that wasnt dawnbreaker because dawnbreaker that is achieveable as everyhting casts. he then showed a details screenshot. so i again asked for logs. hes not just provided this to and when i noted the blocked hits hes goen yer will i wasnt really trying it was a 9?
edgy bone
crackling thunder is the best talent
What makes it the best?
toxic pewter
Crackling thunder just solid quality of life talent
mellow quartz
slow for kiting
warm plinth
Well if all the top people are using it 😏
edgy bone
What if you're playing with a rogue and monk who have everything snared 80% anyway
I'm just curious thats all
mellow quartz
if you never need it then whatever
warm plinth
The radius is why I like crackling
mellow quartz
like all the spiders in AK that blow up you can hit them from outside the range and slowly kite
violet ginkgo
I'll add Grim Batol too @mellow quartz 3rd boss where is add spawn and it spawn near you, almost get insta slowed so give teammate more time.
strong forum
the increased range on TC
jagged pier
strong forum
is incredibly useful to gather packs in these dungeons
pallid quiver
10/10 agree, even though I don't rock crackling myself
warm plinth
D:
jagged pier
crackling goated
pallid quiver
I just really don't like heavier slows being a part of my base rotation on average
warm plinth
D:
jagged pier
goated on pack in SV that stacks the damage taken
pallid quiver
There's also the side note that one of my friends I play with often mains frost mage, so things are forever snared anyway
So I'm mostly missing the extra range, which I do miss
pallid quiver
He used to play Arcane waaaay back in Wrath-ish time frame,
but then they made it harder than press one button
So it became too difficult of a spec to play for him
warm barn
I'd say shots fired, but that's an extra button.
graceful kite
but then they made it harder than press one button
wrath arcane was 2 buttons
4 arcane blasts arcane missile
wrath arcane rotation
mellow quartz
whats the way to get the assistants in AK to drop their stacks of extraction strike?
does it stack whenever they hit you or?
pallid quiver
4 arcane blasts arcane missile
Yeah, that, he misses that
jagged gust
but then they made it harder than press one button
It's like 2 buttons now, 100% increase is crazy
mellow quartz
does it stack whenever they hit you or?
nvm looking at logs it just hits every 10s 'ish so if you stun them at the end of the cast it should remove the buff
inner wren
what are we crying about now
mighty valley
you
pallid quiver
bruh, zekvir, that was rude, i'm just trying to gear up an alt
then he jumps me while i'm in a corner, surrounded by slow webs, with a scarab lord on my face
jagged pier
yer he does that
pallid quiver
I've had him jump me before, but not that bad
at least i got a weapon for resto druid for me efforts
toxic pewter
Is he killable when he appears
warm plinth
then he jumps me while i'm in a corner, surrounded by slow webs, with a scarab l...
Just press buton
jagged pier
Is he killable when he appears
u get him to like 50 and he runs away
warm plinth
Because he's a lil bitch
toxic pewter
Ok just was curious if you can go crazy and if it’s possible to somehow kill him
pallid quiver
Yeah, and if you drop him to 50, he drops items and equips
hence the resto wep I got
unrelated to your loot spec, since i'm in feral loot spec atm
zealous goblet
holy shit yap central today what the fuck
pallid quiver
yer yappin'
jagged pier
always is
pallid quiver
gottem
zealous goblet
and like, two arguments?
time to start anudda one
"hey i want to take bsv do i drop ravager"
jagged pier
zealous goblet
oh, actually i had one question
pallid quiver
no, questions banned
pallid quiver
But we're rule breakers here, so do it
zealous goblet
wait nvm im shitposter golden child
so
my healer friend begged me to run bsv
and told me to drop ravager
so as a compromise i did what i was supposed to do, and took bolster and bsv
pallid quiver
Ask him why he wants to heal parse so bad
zealous goblet
and dropped shield charge
tribal wharf
no, questions banned
how much vers required for a +12, 40% sound good?????????
i heard 40% versa or im shit
zealous goblet
new problem: i'm addicted to bolster giving me shield block for 40 seconds and i'd like to ride the high for awhile
but i don't care much for bsv
where should i reallocate that point to?
pallid quiver
how much vers required for a +12, 40% sound good?????????
honestly if you could casually get 40% vers, that'd actually be a pretty notable amount
jagged pier
whereever u want
disrupting shout, integate, unerving focus
probably unerving focus
zealous goblet
i saw the 36 second duration and my monkey neurons fired off
jagged pier
or instegate
jagged pier
i was thinking 2nd ravager use but wasn't too sure
nah its garbo
zealous goblet
i mena just play HR and be capped at 24 seconds all the time
i do but im honestly an ape and just like seeing the big number and want to milk the happiness off of it for a bit
tribal wharf
"how much vers and haste do i need to not shield block?????????????????????????????"
im trying to find the illegal question
zealous goblet
"how much vers and haste do i need to not shield block??????????????????????????...
hey should i run itf at 31% haste
tribal wharf
sure
jagged pier
i would suggest red one but the other 3 is fine
pallid quiver
"how much vers and haste do i need to not shield block??????????????????????????...
If you manage to get 200% vers, you get 100% damage reduction, clearly
tribal wharf
u need 1 more% haste to get 40 from 31 with itf
but thats whats important, is that itf brings u to 40
warm plinth
Eh?
tribal wharf
so, i need 2% more my self
zealous goblet
true!
warm plinth
You need 35-40% haste BEFORE ItF to run ItF
warm plinth
Oh god, that's not good
tribal wharf
nono u need itf to bring u TO itf.... i cracked the code...
warm plinth
I already can't tell if his messages are shitposting or not
zealous goblet
my brain rot is spreading, it won't be long until rule34 draenei is legal
pallid quiver
Ghash isn't Yogi pilled, hate to see it
zealous goblet
cosmic canyon
mine with HR
where in warcraftlogs can I check the 'blocked' section you linked? I forgot how to navigate the site
jagged pier
who me? nah im legit given scatter options if he wants to play those talents
mellow quartz
where in warcraftlogs can I check the 'blocked' section you linked? I forgot how...
hoover over melee hits
cosmic canyon
maybe you can help me jakey how to 'reach' the block amount you linked in a snip earlier
jagged pier
he already knows its suboptimal but so thats fine
zealous goblet
who me? nah im legit given scatter options if he wants to play those talents
yeah and i appreciate it because i wasnt memeing like i said its suboptimal i just like seeing funnyt number
cosmic canyon
damage taken -> melee ?
jagged pier
maybe you can help me jakey how to 'reach' the block amount you linked in a snip...
damage taken > hover over the hits column
works for spell blockable spells as well
cosmic canyon
Tirna 11
pallid quiver
yeah and i appreciate it because i wasnt memeing like i said its suboptimal i ju...
Honestly, pretty based as long as you acknowledge it's objectively sub-optimal and you aren't trying to push it otherwise
cosmic canyon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J3hDWGMdxQPn84T7 unless I missed it somewhere else?
pallid quiver
I would personally put it into SC just because it feels good to press, but I wager unnerving grows in value if you've got Bolster
tribal wharf
Tirna 11
thats approaching as about as good as your guna get, , im not that good but that is good
cosmic canyon
idk if i'm just checking a fight or so, or whole dungeon or from a specific mob etc
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J3hDWGMdxQPn84T7 unless I missed it somewhe...
dont know what your hovering over in that log to get 4.04billon but in the mists its 95% but hes playing HR
mellow quartz
pain and gain is such a pointless talent
zealous goblet
dropping indom
i think halving the reason to rage dump is based as fuck
pallid quiver
i think halving the reason to rage dump is based as fuck
It also makes IV heal for less of a raw number, as well
since indom also increases your max HP
zealous goblet
if we can drop the rage spend to refund avatar cd we can focus rage dumping on the real thing, revenge
reef hazel
Anyone got advice for 3rd pull of sob, g12 & g13 - just feels like im getting fucking deleted here & not sure if its a healer issue or my issue. Unfortunately no logs :/ - frrom details its singing steel that's mostly chunking me & healers just can't seem to keep up.
cosmic canyon
wtf, for some reason I had hr. geez oh well
zealous goblet
no intervene
ok to be fair i dont run intervene because i feel like i'm in a wheelchair without that 5% movement speed
cosmic canyon
gonna upload next dungeon I play as well
jagged pier
the victory rush talent but u have made it weaker
cosmic canyon
but that's some other day. stay tuned
jagged pier
eh?
shrewd ore
Anyone got advice for 3rd pull of sob, g12 & g13 - just feels like im getting fu...
if singing steel is the dot, you can dwarf that, helps a bit
mellow quartz
if singing steel is the dot, you can dwarf that, helps a bit
it's the dot from the shredders, can get 2 stacks at once
reef hazel
I'm not dwarf 😭
mellow quartz
play this instead
less damage taken
fight them in the corner to the left when you come out and the patrol wont aggro
have someone grip or knock the bomber over to you
pallid quiver
have someone grip or knock the bomber over to you
Instructions unclear, entire area pulled
zealous goblet
tbc slave pens mage bot roleplay, anyone?
reef hazel
play this instead
Thanks yeah I'll give that a try, gotta be better than just blowing everything and still getting mauled
mellow quartz
Thanks yeah I'll give that a try, gotta be better than just blowing everything a...
I like this
wide pilot
if your over 20% haste is there any reason to run HR other than just being lazy?
tribal wharf
we had a dragon and a mage in that run i just did
they didnt lust on first boss till like 70% after i remind them
(was on the route)
i figured, okay, we got 2 lusters, no problem
reef hazel
I like this
Thanks man, I'll give this a shot over what I've been doing
zealous goblet
wouldnt our best filler ability be devastate if we just didnt take devastator
god im so smart
tribal wharf
so, machinists in SV, you guys do that second? because?
im trying to figure that out, and then, im just supposed to like, tank them middle? or by the vent always
you do it second because skarmorak you need the lust after? cuz he kills group? i dont get it
tribal wharf
oh hmmmm i thought the pro way was to do machinists first
mellow quartz
doesn't really matter which one you do 2nd tbh
zealous goblet
force skarm 2nd always so you can figure out if you're depleting asap
mellow quartz
im trying to figure that out, and then, im just supposed to like, tank them midd...
move him to middle before vents and then go to the vent not active, when boxes are coming move out of the middle. Not much to it
zealous goblet
you'd thiink so
but then you're in a group that leaves like 3 crystals alive
and doesnt wanna hit emissary
mellow quartz
things dont hurt much in sub 12's anyway
zealous goblet
wouldn't know havent made it there yet
i push with friends
we at 10/11s rn
we had to pug some interesting healers though
you guys ever fight 4th boss of SV functionally without a healer?
this guy didn't know how the portals worked and ate all our brezzes despite having like, an 8 done
tribal wharf
sometimes bosses die before they can actually do anything
just gets destroyed by dps beam
zealous goblet
plausible, but hard to imagine in a pure pug setting
but i don't know enough clearly so i'll take yer word at face value
quick bramble
jagged pier
Nope
jagged pier
Yes but dont tell them
mellow quartz
The MT buffs coming Tuesday aren’t those the exact reversal of the nerfs at the end of beta?
austere sleet
bsv?
neat parrot
should i work on improving the uptimes or its relatively fine for 11 ? im asking cuz sometimes i feel like im paper
austere sleet
oh battle scarred
mellow quartz
should i work on improving the uptimes or its relatively fine for 11 ? im asking...
Do you play ITF or HR?
neat parrot
Do you play ITF or HR?
itf
toxic pewter
Don’t people lust first pull of sv
mellow quartz
Not much you can do then
dark cosmos
should i work on improving the uptimes or its relatively fine for 11 ? im asking...
Details aside, if you are getting hit and don't have block up there's a problem
mellow quartz
3rd sv in a row no lust on 1st boss
Who lusts first boss?
neat parrot
never dropping it
sweet summit
why are people dying on the itf hill
dark cosmos
Lust trash for life imo
mellow quartz
never dropping it
Your sb uptime is just limited by your haste then
dark cosmos
should i work on improving the uptimes or its relatively fine for 11 ? im asking...
Are you dying because you're dropping SB though?
Like if you're dying and have sb up obvi that's not the problem
mellow quartz
should i work on improving the uptimes or its relatively fine for 11 ? im asking...
Wait, you have only 77 IP casts over a whole key??
sweet summit
i'm smelling
mellow quartz
I have 600 in a 12 AK
sweet summit
i'm no expert but 55SB casts is not 24 mintues
so i don't think that's accurate
i think it's casts without the buff already aka not including refreshes
tribal wharf
Who lusts first boss?
Isnt that the strategy to lust first boss and on cd even in sv?
why would you not
neat parrot
Wait, you have only 77 IP casts over a whole key??
cant remember i have lots of refreshes
neat parrot
Are you dying because you're dropping SB though?
i didnt say i die but sometimes i get hit like a truck and need to pop SW and LS
neat parrot
it has a separate column i think?
ye
sweet summit
yeah using defensives is kinda good
neat parrot
i'm no expert but 55SB casts is not 24 mintues
i had 506 reapps
sweet summit
yep yep
neat parrot
also i have 84% which is okay ish, but the main thing is i hit my head in dmg spikes and i cannot comprehend if i do smth wrong or i dont know trash tank busters, using dwarf racial on CD, demo shout cd
sweet summit
if you log your runs we can give more concrete and specifc pointers
right now it's just a guessing game
sweet summit
ye
dark cosmos
i didnt say i die but sometimes i get hit like a truck and need to pop SW and L...
I get that
But are you taking that damage while you have SB up?
neat parrot
i take it trough SB Demo ip
dark cosmos
Then you gotta pop CDs or there a debuff or something you should be kiting/clearing
No much else to it yknow
neat parrot
might be interrupts that dps are not doing it might be tons of thinngs but i was wondering if its just me or anyone else experiencing it
dark cosmos
Or the pulls too monka and your not getting babysat by rsham+aug
sweet summit
log log log
snow furnace
Hey all, what slot should I craft my gear? The guides mention wrists / belt but most top raiders and m+ runners have crafted weapon / wrists or weapon / offhand. Am I missing something?
neat parrot
log log log
ye i will start logging m+
sweet summit
🫡
trim basin
can you not double stack on Duskthread?
i crafted 2 embellished pieces with dusk but it still says 756 vers with 2 pieces just like i had 1
lofty warren
this is where i type words
vale karma
Does anyone one know how the cooldown reduction from Xalatesh buff work?
lofty warren
it increased the rate your cds go down
so if something is 10 sec CD and you get 50% then it goes to.. 5 sec? something like that
vale karma
So it halfs the cd for 20 second and then reverts to full amount while keeping the new remaining %?
mellow quartz
Isnt that the strategy to lust first boss and on cd even in sv?
Lust the first big pull both cause you don’t need it for boss and to get it on CD.
lofty warren
yea when the CDR buff is gone then it goes back to normal CDR.. like if there is 5 sec left on your CD and buff goes away then you have to wait 5 sec
dark cosmos
it just doesnt affect a huge number of prot skklls though, just incase youre understandably gigaconfused
vast tangle
Does anyone know of a wa or macro for m+ where party members party frames light up or get highlighted when they get targeted by a cast?
warm barn
I think Quazii has something like that in his plates
toxic pewter
can you not double stack on Duskthread?
Yes you can try unequipping /re-equipping then get your health lower than 80%
vale karma
it just doesnt affect a huge number of prot skklls though, just incase youre und...
Worst affix… at least it gives 15% heal taken I guess
dark cosmos
Does anyone know of a wa or macro for m+ where party members party frames light ...
Cell can do this
vast tangle
`Cell` can do this
Is that a wa or an add?
young oasis
Finally Sacbrood after 32 7-9 runs. Even with leech 😄
drowsy scarab
the upcoming class changes on the hero talents buff prot warrior? wasnt prot already busted?
warm barn
Is that a wa or an add?
can DL in curse
lusty grotto
the upcoming class changes on the hero talents buff prot warrior? wasnt prot alr...
no
we arent "busted"
vast tangle
can DL in curse
Awesome, thank you @warm barn @dark cosmos
lusty grotto
people are playing us because we buff the FDK
thats how the meta goes
when all tanks are viable
you pick the one tank that buffs the 2 strongest dps
drowsy scarab
isnt 90% of the dmg fdk do magical so dh tank would buff it more?
lusty grotto
see VDH buffing SPs
no
youre wrong
and AP buff is way stronger than chaos brand
specifically for FDK
if you can factor chaos brand in, while keeping battle shout, its even better, but you cant
so mage fdk aug
especially after the nerf to chaos brand
mage buffs himself and heals with AI
does great damage
warrior buffs himself and FDK
the meta was never about "being busted" for tanks specifically, that hasn't happened since DF released
probably not even during SL fated
winter shard
I read here recently that authority of Radiant P is better for M+, but I seem to be doing less with it. Can anyone clairfy this for me please.
molten gorge
Just need to say, I finally bothered to try a 12 with the normal build and I can officially say I know why they're running BSV in 13s and 14s, I didn't die but fuck me the scaling is scary rn
opal forum
for VO procs, i wanted to confirm if the correct way to do it is TC for 4+target, TB for 2+ target (when up) and SS the rest of the time (thane)
lusty grotto
I read here recently that authority of Radiant P is better for M+, but I seem to...
that is correct
more primary is better for M+
you will not see that contribution in details
unless if youre comparing overall dps as a whole
winter shard
that is correct
Thank you, my overall is a bit lower so I was concerned.
lusty grotto
i doubt that's due to the enchant pick
winter shard
I'm just looking at the actual enchant in details
lusty grotto
yeah that barely matters
winter shard
Awesome, thank you! Couldn't find any info on this.
lusty grotto
if you're not accounting for the strength gain, that is
winter shard
I wasn't, just the actual enchant dmg in details. I was confused why it is showing to begin with cause it's stat.
lusty grotto
because it smites
for radiant damage
so its a 2 part damage gain
one via strength for all of our abilities and parry
and one with radiant damage
winter shard
I see. I read the tooltip really quick when I swapped must have missed a line lol
dark cosmos
Is that a wa or an add?
addon
winter shard
Much appreciated!
opal forum
for VO procs, i wanted to confirm if the correct way to do it is TC for 4+target...
cuz based on the wowhead it says 4+ on TC as thane, but I see no mention of TB. Like i understand that it has even more value then TC for obvious reason, but at wich point is it better to send VO on TB instead of SS
or does it just not matter that much for thane and just keep following basic rotation
strong forum
opal forum
yeah i was wondering if that would change anything during a VO proc considering the rage generation
strong forum
no
opal forum
thank you
warm barn
solved that mystery
hexed pumice
inner wren
pretty poop
edgy bone
no
If you're using outburst procs incorrectly, how much will it impact your overall in a key?
Does anyone know why the prio list says to cast champions spear paired with shield charge and ravager?
warm plinth
Because it lines up with them
mellow quartz
cause you wanna send CDs in damage windows
opal forum
yes cuz spear increase your damage for a few seconds, and it lines up
edgy bone
Is it because spear increases your crit chance
edgy bone
yes cuz spear increase your damage for a few seconds, and it lines up
Oh ok
So you use spear to amp your shield charge
mellow quartz
if it crits
opal forum
yes
warm plinth
It's because it lines up. That's it. If they had different CDs, you'd still send them on cooldown.
edgy bone
Ok
warm plinth
But since spear affects the other two, you want that effect out first.
edgy bone
And for violent outburst procs, it's;
- shield slam
- thunder blast on 4+ targets
- thunderclap on 8+ targets
opal forum
you probably want to cast ravager before spear sont you dont waste a GCD tho right?
i just asked the question, and for thane its 2 on TB and 4 on TC, according to far better players then me
edgy bone
i just asked the question, and for thane its 2 on TB and 4 on TC, according to f...
Ok so for violent outburst
I thunder blast on 2+ targets
opal forum
if you have the proc yes
opal forum
yes
edgy bone
Ok
opal forum
if you do happen to have avatar on at that exact moment
edgy bone
Do you use a weak aura to track outburst?
opal forum
for luxthos, what i like to do
edgy bone
Could you show me what you use?
opal forum
is deactivate each group
and i move the few icons i really want to be tracked
out of the group
edgy bone
Ooh that's smart
opal forum
and then you can fully edit it and move it individually
vague abyss
i have a question for gems, when i use https://www.wowhead.com/item=213743/culminating-blasphemite i do want to use at least 1 haste/crit gem and a 1 vers/mastery gem right? if i read the item correctly, i get the crit bonus for every unique color no?
opal forum
i have my TB procs, VO procs and shield block next to each other
they are the 3 main thing i like to track
edgy bone
i have a question for gems, when i use https://www.wowhead.com/item=213743/culmi...
I second his question, can someone explain how the fancy new blaahphemite works
vague abyss
like i get it, we want haste/crit or crit/haste gems, depending on which one sims better, but i want to use those vers/mastery gems just for that critical effect?
edgy bone
Can it be covered using only two gems?
Or do you need 4 gems because you need the primary stat on the dual stat gem to trigger it?
vague abyss
if i understand correctly, because each color is associated with a stat, you want at least 3 slots, 2 for the duals and one for the meta itself
edgy bone
Can I get ONE vers/mastery gem. Then the rest are haste/crit?
vague abyss
Can I get ONE vers/mastery gem. Then the rest are haste/crit?
this is my question, yes
edgy bone
Can someone help
vague abyss
probably the good people is raiding at the moment xD
sharp gale
i have a question for gems, when i use https://www.wowhead.com/item=213743/culmi...
I totally forgot about that
Emerald, Onyx, Ruby and Sapphire are colors, don’t know if blasphemite is a color itself
edgy bone
Each color corresponds to a secondary stat
next plaza
Do tertiaries get DRs?
sharp gale
Sim yourself in my opinion just to see, critical effect is dmg anyway
edgy bone
Does that mean I can get one single vers/mast gem then make the rest haste/crit
Or do I need 4 gems, each with the first stat in being something different
vague abyss
yeah i think thats the ideal, i would sim it to see if a haste/crit or a crit/haste is better
vague abyss
Or do I need 4 gems, each with the first stat in being something different
oh now thats different, yeah
chilly brook
I FUCKING LOVE GETTING ONE SHOT TO TANK BUSTER ON FIRST BOSS BECAUSE HEALER IS CLUELESS
edgy bone
oh now thats different, yeah
We forgot a color: amber, which is stamina
So there's 5 colors you need to cover
silk sandal
I FUCKING LOVE GETTING ONE SHOT TO TANK BUSTER ON FIRST BOSS BECAUSE HEALER IS C...
I recommend pressing shield block 
chilly brook
I recommend pressing shield block <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Not a button I have access to unfortunately
edgy bone
Can anyone help understand how the new gemming works with the culminating blaahphemite, which setup is better?
chilly brook
brother
opal forum
ahahah my guy made a sheet
chilly brook
raidbots is your friend
edgy bone
raidbots is your friend
Ok ty
warm plinth
Old school spreadsheet, nothing wrong with that
I do think haste needs more checkmarks though
At least 17 more
tribal wharf
you know i made that shitty avgn rant about keystones are bullshit
was my name for a bit even a day or so
well, i found the real thing, its on reddit
it's labeled the mythic + manifesto, not mine, i am a warrior and someone joked i had a manifesto.
boreal heath
Tbf brez is solved by something you buy on ah
tribal wharf
oh and its on reddit, incase you havent sussed it out already
sleek current
Wish the jumper cables had a bit more range though.
boreal heath
I mean it's something
tribal wharf
boreal heath
Also the afflicted and incorp cc points are kinda moot
tribal wharf
this is it for those that are interested, he seems to be addressing what he feels is wrong with them healthy way
bit whiny
boreal heath
Also wtf is a r1 title
sleek current
My major complaints... Tank nerfs did not achieve what Blizzard said they wanted, I don't agree regardless. Due to +10 affixes pugging is in a worse spot than it was previously in terms of gatekeeping.
Interrupt / Stun rework is dogshit and I'll dance on my own grave before I change my mind.
tribal wharf
everything in a dungeon, terms of mechanics needs to be more visually seeable
SV machinists is horrible in this regard
sleek current
I agree on that one but, that's an across the board problem. If you have a swirly the outline should be very clearly marked. I've taken damage from too many swirlies that I wasn't stood in.
tribal wharf
there is vents you can hardly see on the boss once they are covered with the fire, and an anvil there or rokmora (spelling wrong) that buffs you versa
back to doom
every single doom monster is makes a different sound, has a different color (very important) stands out in a crowd
its a pinky so its making grunting pig noises, its a skeleton revenant so its making bone noises
and its so easy to see and assess whats going on
sleek current
Visual Clarity is something they're slowly getting better at. Though I'm hesitatant to say they'll ever get it "right". They keep doing it so clearly someone in the art / mechanics department thinks otherwise.
boreal heath
there is vents you can hardly see on the boss once they are covered with the fir...
Apparently there's weakaura that shows you the safe spot
tribal wharf
no red on red on red on red on red on pink on purple that needs to be soaked
would help also
boreal heath
Visual Clarity is something they're slowly getting better at. Though I'm hesitat...
They're slowly fixing it
Just look at the GB boss and the tornados/last boss tentacles
Or the siege frontsl
sleek current
Any white swirly, circle of visual. The webs on Ulgrax are a mess. 😂
Oh yeah. For sure, really positive changes
The swirlies on the Overlords in Ara'Kara as well
That was a good change
boreal heath
Well ulgrax still has the issue of the tentacles being kind of hard to see
sleek current
/ last boss
boreal heath
Because the boss just covers up any near you
tribal wharf
double the particle effects size or similiar on the anvil and make the vent smoke appear 2 or 3 times as large (and maybe it self cleans the vent of any fire over time)
boreal heath
I've eaten so many of them on the last boss in GB just because they were being covered by the big ass boss
sleek current
The charge on Ulgrax as well... Why is it not just a purple line across the floor like the silken court.
clear bear
From 1-10, how important is it to get good ilvl on the shield ?
sleek current
10
sleek current
Unapologetically. It's my first craft every time.
clear bear
i see, thank you guys 🙂
quasi pivot
no red on red on red on red on red on pink on purple that needs to be soaked
When a DH uses darkness on avinax you can't see the purple swirls anymore. Blizz encounter art team are terrible at maintaining visual clarity, seemingly no effort to prioritize what shows above what and showing defined edges to circular aoe
turbid shuttle
When a DH uses darkness on avinax you can't see the purple swirls anymore. Blizz...
this is a feature not a bug. how else are we supposed to kill our melee during swirlie phases?
stone moat
do you guys pull the right side of stonevault twins hallway so you can grab the ingot?
sleek current
Yep
wary karma
I have a potentially stupid question. I am by no means a bad player, but I am just now picking up prot warrior. What ilvl would be ideal before stepping into lower M+?
tribal wharf
i thought you'd be over count if you did that
or its literal just you pull right side of that room and not left
sleek current
I have a potentially stupid question. I am by no means a bad player, but I am ju...
At least 590 - 600 if you don't want to be accused of int'ing
Technically... When you feel like you can handle it.
opal forum
I have a potentially stupid question. I am by no means a bad player, but I am ju...
you can very easily get 600ilv, and with that amount you can do lower m+ with 0 difficulty if you have very basic knowledge of ur class and dungeons
wary karma
I feel pretty confident in it, I've been tanking for a while, just not on warr. I figured around 600 would be my goal. Thanks, guys. 🙂
wary karma
Ahh, blood death knight has been my go-to since Cataclysm, I started messing around with pally sometime in Legion and kinda kept up with both for a little while.
Honestly, the death strike changes for dk pushed me away from it, and I'm a bit sad about it, but I'm loving prot so far.
tribal wharf
if its dh, we are DH except we trade in our offensive and self reliance for "don't die with a healer"
opal forum
yeah your gonna be chilling, we are extremely tanky so even if you dont have the best ILV you'll be alright
lusty grotto
?
opal forum
shield block and facing the enemy, your hp bar wont move, especially compared to pally/dk
tribal wharf
move around alot, parries etc, potential for big damage
wary karma
I was never the biggest fan of DH, either spec. It's a bit strange going from something that's extremely reactive to proactive, but I don't remember the last time my hp didn't spike like all hell.
sleek current
if its dh, we are DH except we trade in our offensive and self reliance for "don...
I can't say I even remotely agree with this. We're nothing like DH.
lusty grotto
if its dh, we are DH except we trade in our offensive and self reliance for "don...
wdym we trade our offensive, yogi?
thats a weird take
thats not true at all
opal forum
im a huge brew/dk fan
tribal wharf
we dont have offensive utilitiy like dh, sigil
opal forum
my favorite is still prot war tho
lusty grotto
that's not "offensive"
tribal wharf
put sigil down, monster does nothing
lusty grotto
thats just a stop
wary karma
I've never really messed around with any of the monk specs at all. I think the only one I'd want to play would be brew, but I'm not sure if it's worth the time to find out
tribal wharf
we have more defensive cooldowns, for ourselfs only, is whati mean
rather than offensive ones
lusty grotto
still incorrect
opal forum
monks feels amazing right now to me
the base rotation is slightly bigger then other tank
but the mitigation part is a joke
sleek current
DH didn't even have an offensive cooldown really until this recent patch. We've always had Avatar.
opal forum
i feel like im playing a melee dps
lusty grotto
right
vdh offensive was just the hunt
and its not even picked anymore as FS
because meta is your offensive cd
wary karma
Maybe it would be worth tinkering with, then. I'll have to dig into it a bit.
tribal wharf
part of why i said offensive, is cuz dh often does way more dps than us
or it did for a while
it does more dps than pretty much any tank i think
or did
grim pilot
it definitely does not do it anymore
prot warrior probably has highest offensive dam rn
untold spruce
I'm prob blind but I don't see any mentions of prot war thane dmg buff. Do we know approx what the gain is?
sleek current
In terms of real numbers, I don't know.
https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/class-tuning-incoming-9-october-541791
untold spruce
Usually lightning strikes are like 8-10% of my overall so 25%gain is great on it
urban portal
Also have to take account of rage nerfs
lusty grotto
rage nerfs are whatever
sleek current
I don't know. Hits overall on a +10 NW for me was 1665. I don't think it's possible to track how many actual procs you got.
If it's per hit, that's about 3000 rage lost. Which would be 10% less generation on average for me. That I think, would be insane and I doubt that's the case.
flat quail
What is the spell called that the last boss on Grim Batol casts that you can Spell Reflect and clear tentacles with? I am forgetting -_-
edgy bone
Is there anyway we can code some Hekili into an outburst tracker? So it tells us which button to use when we get the proc
Don't even have to think about it
SS/TB/TC
sleek current
Don't even have to think about it
I don't think about it. I just press whatever button is available at the time of the outburst. It is what it is. I have good raid logs, I have sick damage in keys, it is what it is.
edgy bone
I don't think about it. I just press whatever button is available at the time of...
what is sick damage in keys
1mil overall every key?
sleek current
700 - 900k overall depending on the key.
dark cosmos
1tril
warm barn
^
dark cosmos
What is the spell called that the last boss on Grim Batol casts that you can Spe...
You just use spell reflect and walk into them
There's no cast
sleek current
It's going to depend on your pulls but, I mean... I have 981k on a recent key with an aug mate. That also appears to be a NW.
flat quail
You just use spell reflect and walk into them
Oh? Is there a specific timing to when I should use it?
dark cosmos
It works all the time
lusty grotto
as long as it sup
dark cosmos
However I wait til we're fully fortnited and then clear before debuffs come
lusty grotto
you can eat as many as you can
flat quail
lol thats aweome ok.
dark cosmos
Or if there's not an easy path to where you're going that's good too
sleek current
Spell Reflect with the knockback. It's not even worth using on the tentacles... They're easy enough to see in my opinion and you have seven years to get to the correct spot.
outer valley
is it stupid to put the same ability on different keybinds in different specs? like thunderclap
sleek current
is it stupid to put the same ability on different keybinds in different specs? l...
I try to put them on the same keybinds but, sometimes the flow just isn't there. If it doesn't feel comfortable, I'd just put it where it does feel comfortable
dark cosmos
is it stupid to put the same ability on different keybinds in different specs? l...
i mean... no?
i dont try taht hard to though unless its like kick or something
thats very muscle memory dpeendant
outer valley
I try to put them on the same keybinds but, sometimes the flow just isn't there....
this is what i've done before, but sometimes but ie on my shaman i use the frost shock bind for chain heal on resto and it fucks me up lmao
dark cosmos
i just find it doesnt really work to try to keep them all the same in practice
outer valley
especially such a valuable keybind like Q
sleek current
I'd boil that down to familiarity to be honest.
dark cosmos
maybe between some specs but its the same as like "keep mobility abilities on same key" between classes
fleet parcel
Should I keep this or change it with the regular shield with stats? https://i.imgur.com/GgAzBFd.png
dark cosmos
it just kinda falls apart pretty quickly
outer valley
maybe between some specs but its the same as like "keep mobility abilities on sa...
oh for sure outside of something core rotationally i like to put everything on the same keybind even across classes
i tried to maintain the rotational core on the "same" binds too but warrior seems to have quite a bit of difference between all three
dark cosmos
ya i just think thats a meme other than kicks and stuff, but its totally subjective
outer valley
I'm used to DK, each spec has its analogue to the other
dark cosmos
And theres people out there using some whack ass keybinds and playing well (myself included)
i mean idk whats happening in EU but...
outer valley
bsweat
oak ivy
the hymn of a questionable cotank
sharp gale
<:sadgers:1022526082278248631> the hymn of a questionable cotank
I had that too in pug, finally killed ansurek in dps, I couldn’t stand anymore asking a bop on pull
bronze wraith
Besides instant death things, is there a thing really dangerous in siege?
teal laurel
my ears did in fact not bleed lol
sharp gale
Instant death things are trash before the first boss and just after, and where there are the trolls the last pack before going upstairs they put a 2x25% heal debuff
Trash around third boss put a poison on you, dispel if you can when it hurts or just pray for healer to not instant dispel at 1 stack so you sit with 5 stacks until his dispel comes back
teal laurel
<:sadgers:1022526082278248631> the hymn of a questionable cotank
You're telling me you don't enjoy 12 million damage feasts?
sharp gale
You're telling me you don't enjoy 12 million damage feasts?
Feast is 12 m without liquefy no ?
teal laurel
I meant mitigated
sharp gale
Liquefy put a 500% damage taken if I remember
sharp gale
I just know I took a 30 million damage feast once and I think I saw god
Just block it
teal laurel
Just block it
cotank died had no brez so it was a wipe I just embraced death
sharp gale
cotank died had no brez so it was a wipe I just embraced death
Guild ?
sharp gale
I pray for you when after 50 pulls a dude still gets grabbed in intermission
sharp gale
Well just to reassure you p1 is the hardest part in my opinion in hc
teal laurel
We semi reliably get to platforms now but consistently lose people during
teal laurel
I've never had spiders kill people on my side but it's gonna be a mix of dispel and grabs
I think healers panic
sharp gale
Dispel is 1 instant and you let the other expire
teal laurel
It's 2 dispels per side no? I don't really concern myself with it
sharp gale
Yes it’s 2 dispels per side
teal laurel
So both sides just insta one off then let the other ride?
sharp gale
Yes
teal laurel
I'll mention that to my raid lead he's got this weird call out system he insists on trying
sharp gale
And don’t dispel when grab that’s it
If you have 3-4 dead coming in p3 the boss is dead if you just do the shit
hardy snow
what is the most important ability a tank must have
shield block
dark cosmos
ignoring pug flame
old basin
ignoring pug flame
yeah im a new player
and ive been called a dumbass a few times already
for doing mistakes in the dungeon
warm plinth
what is the most important ability a tank must have
Situational awareness
dark cosmos
smoky anvil
Based
old basin
lol
oak ivy
I just know I took a 30 million damage feast once and I think I saw god
I do not trust any of the tanks i run with 
so we takin BSV
sharp gale
and ive been called a dumbass a few times already
You are on a video game online, you don’t care about people you will never see again in your entire life
You could retag 100 times a key you will not see them again
Just know if you solo ruin something and try to not redo the same mistake
lusty grotto
siege number #396
no ring, dropped but needed
siege #397
will report back on not getting ring
at least the dawnbreaker ring dropped finally 
dark cosmos
anyone know why my logs are messed up? using warcraftlogs uploader live log
all my dungeons just are missing data for the middle like 70%
lusty grotto
on to siege #398
i wish i could help, but i dont live log
hopefully someone does
the only thing i can think of is world data messing with it somehow
and/or break between dungeons
dark cosmos
maybe its an addon or something too, havent been able to figure it out 🤔
inland raft
You too nim? Im pretty sure i can do siege blindfolded while someone spins my chair in circles at this point
blazing river
if it was unclear to anyone, soloing the world boss took 20min and is TOTALLY worth the 55 valorstones
lusty grotto
i did the one last week
or was it this week?
the golem one
with the dumb shit that follows you
was annoying but i soloed it
native ember
same bro
yea ive been farming the shit outta that place also tryna get the boots no luck as of yet gonna hit it strong again tomorrow need hero track boots asap...
native ember
damn wish i could say the same i did luck out on the ring tho so i guess i cant really complain
well happy hunting and gl
lusty grotto
rng is a fickle bitch
prime mantle
hello, im considering trying out prot war for the 1st time, can someone give me a basic tldr of how it works and how it keeps itself alive ?
lusty grotto
we have guides in Wowhead and Icyveins
do not track ignore pain
just press it at 70+ rage
you do not need to track it
you just press it
regardless of its status
read the guides you can find links here #protection-faq
prime mantle
we have guides in Wowhead and Icyveins
yeah i know that, but i want to try the spec out and see if i enjoy it before i deep dive into reading wowhead/icy veins
no point spending an hour reading if i dont enjoy the playstyle/rotation
lusty grotto
well we cant answer anything concerning your tastes, so
polar arrow
hard to get a good idea of if you like the spec without playing it properly and if you cant be convinced to spend 20 mins reading then idk
lusty grotto
anything we say here will be on the guides
urban portal
isnt there a tldr for guides too
prime mantle
well we cant answer anything concerning your tastes, so
did i ask for something concerning my tastes ? all i asked was a quick tldr, ie - use this to generate use this to spend, this is your healing
wasnt exactly a hard question
void skiff
get the spoon out for him
lusty grotto
but apologies if i misunderstood
void skiff
thats what he wants
prime mantle
theres no question in that at all
prime mantle
a basic 1 sentence tdlr, ie. use this spell to generate, use this spell to spend, use this spell to heal
void skiff
prime mantle
i dont think you understand what tldr means but sure
void skiff
dont play it then?
lusty grotto
trust me i understand what it means, im just not gonna do it
lusty grotto
lol
polar arrow
class is super boring you probably wont like it
prime mantle
i thought the dh discord was filled with autists, damn, yall settin a new bar
left basalt
lol
polar arrow
idk bro
lusty grotto
lil bro joined disc to argue
polar arrow
you want us to just
tell you how to play in 1 sentence and expect that to give you any idea of if you enjoy it
not to mention its a tank spec
theres literarlly no such thing as a 1 sentence tldr
void skiff
imagine being angry at people not feeding in to laziness. #2024
polar arrow
"rotations" havnt been a thing for like 5 expansions
its always a prio list
and its based on your situation
kinda hard to tldr that bro
prime mantle
theres literarlly no such thing as a 1 sentence tldr
i main vdh. tldr - keep spikes up, use fel dev as much as possible, use sigil of flame, heal with soul cleave/bomb
was that hard?
void skiff
you have 4 buttons on vdh
lusty grotto
you forgot frailty stacks
void skiff
so no its not hard to do that
lusty grotto
but ok
void skiff
if reading a guide is too much maybe stick to vdh since its got less tool tips to read
lusty grotto
and "keep spikes up" aint it, youre not even mentioning covering gaps with meta
tropic tangle
yeah, like, that sentence doesn't even encompass his generic TLDR he wants
warm barn
I haven't played in 15 years, I spent the entire day figuring out my addons and reading the shenanigans in here xD
tropic tangle
nothng about building / spending souls
lusty grotto
lol yea
void skiff
i just leveled up my warrior as my next one to gear because its usage isnt matching its actual viability compared to other tanks i im a sucker for a sleeper build
i read the guide while i was doing dungeon spam to level. its no hard
warm barn
I maxed a brewmaster which is HILARIOUS and fast, but prot's meat-ness is just too good
void skiff
so Dawnthread is still siming the best? is it actually getting the uptime in reality on logs that makes it so its in practice the best?
because that was one of the things i was noticing with scabrood. its not stacking to a point where its actually getting the desired effect to be worth it over other trinkets for some classes when yopu look in the logs. was wondering if lining was same same
warm barn
way above my pay grade man.
void skiff
it was a general question for the chat
warm barn
looks around anxiously
tropic tangle
idk, I had just under 80% uptime in a 10 GB just now
so it seems fine, plus nothing else is really that competitive
unless you really want single target
void skiff
sweet. was just checking before i sunk in money on crafts
lusty grotto
so Dawnthread is still siming the best? is it actually getting the uptime in rea...
this is my usual in 10s
1 of each simmed better than 2 of the same for me, results will vary so make sure you sim
depending on your gear
void skiff
riiiiip i didnt know you couldnt put it on a ring
void skiff
it is
lusty grotto
a ring is an accessory
void skiff
but i bought the shit to craft a ring like a monkey not paying attention
ancient scaffold
do we have a way to pull through wall in the maze?
last scarab
anyone have any tricks to manage uptime on shield block and ignore pain?
im a new prot warrior, from guardian druid
Should I be just spamming IP ?
mighty valley
with the right talents keeping shield block up should be straightforward, just always keep at least one charge on cooldown
for IP, basically just press it as much as needed to prevent overcapping rage while doing normal rotation
(which will be a lot)
last scarab
Maybe rotation gets better at 80, atm im 75 and i have to revenge a lot cuz i have no buttons to press
also sometimes i have no shield block
lusty grotto
you need haste
rotation is fine at 70
should be pretty normal without haste to lack uptime, hopefully you're playing Heavy Repercussions and not Into The Fray
as our guides suggest
while leveling its pretty normal to lack haste
@last scarab
polar arrow
okay so, wowhead says crafted 636 shield is solid great if nothing else needs upgrades worse
but my droptimzer is showing any of the 1h mainhands as alot better, but all my gear is roughly the same, stats and everything 619
lusty grotto
shield provides little offensive upgrade, so its unsimmable
polar arrow
i have 619 duelist dancing steel
lusty grotto
but its our highest and most recommended slot to fill out first
we depend on its block value
higher ilvl shield makes a huge difference in tankiness
polar arrow
ok bet, im going to craft an non embellished one just because i already have 2 619 embellishments
lusty grotto
yeah that's good
polar arrow
i dont suppose that would bite me later much?
lusty grotto
not at all
you should upgrade it with a myth shield if you can get one, but that's about it
polar arrow
ok i always figured i can recraft it with embellishment if needed, say i get an upgrade in one of those slots, i did a helm and boots just because i was lacking in those spots when i had a chance to craft gear
lusty grotto
uhh
why did you do helm though
its a tier slot
boots are fine
bracers are fine
cloak is fine
belt is fine
polar arrow
only because i had very nice bracers and cloak
lusty grotto
shield is fine
polar arrow
and belt
and my helm was dogshit
i have the rare drop raid cloak and i had crit haste hero track bracers with leech
lusty grotto
oh well its fine you can craft something else next reset
polar arrow
fax
remote frost
what flask are you guys running?
willow marsh
Why not bob for high keys? i dont know which eblishment i should use
jagged pier
what flask are you guys running?
choas
lusty grotto
You too nim? Im pretty sure i can do siege blindfolded while someone spins my ch...
holy fuck HDR looks horrible for group chat
i think the key is to do runs that wont time
cause that one was 5 mins over, low dps on the pugs
and now for GT and SV spam
for cloak and khadros 😦
merry sluice
my favourite is having the untimed key where dps die on eveyr single boss to stupid shit
4 deaths to the s u c k on last boss arak
being blamed then kicked from the group when the timer failed after 26 dps deaths 
then being asked if they can have the sac that dropped
violet ginkgo
what was their reaction when you told em nope
oak ivy
Is there a Spell Reflect WA for this season yet or are we just consulting the spreadsheet
merry sluice
what was their reaction when you told em nope
they didn't deserve a response ;p
though i was tempted to ask for an obscene gold value
granite briar
Hey all, quick question so does Colossus Prot War do more damage but have less survivability than Mountain Thane, or what is the consensus on the two hero specs?
merry sluice
pretty much
and mountain thane is easier to not fuck up imo
the tight rage gen of colossus not only leaves you squishier, but more vulnerable to fuck ups , personally
but neuron activate when i get a fat demolish off
granite briar
and mountain thane is easier to not fuck up imo
the tight rage gen of colossus n...
I hit a non-crit demolish for 1mil so it looks so freakin juicy
Guild is trying to prog H Nerub-ar so I'm trying to see if I can't beef up the dps on the earlier bosses for next week
nocturne vine
should be pretty normal without haste to lack uptime, hopefully you're playing H...
Does ITF get good at a certain point?
oak ivy
to my knowledge the certain point is "you have an unholy amount of haste already"
jagged pier
35-40% unbuffed with anything
oak ivy
Is shield block our only hasted cooldown
jagged pier
U can run it now if u want but you will have block downtime where u csnt block anything an ithrt need to soend cooldowns u need for later to covrr the gap, use externals (hard in pug) or just take the unmitigsted damage that could lead to issues
U need to understand that is the down side of running itf without that amount of haste
If u want to run it fine but if u dont play correctly it will just lead to you dying most likely
jagged pier
The thing is about the streamers is they running it because they say the spec is 'unplayable without it' but becauae they arent taking it they are actively making themselves squisher and havnt ro compensate wiyh talents such as BSV
molten gorge
Go play a 12+
jagged pier
If they just ran the talents nome suggests they would be more tanky and do more damage
molten gorge
Like fr
I did one yesterday, and I didn't die with the cookie cutter spec, but Holy moly
molten gorge
I can see why they're taking BSV
jagged pier
I wish a lot of these top ppl logged honestly so we coukd see how their game play was
molten gorge
Was only reading cause I was about to say my haste is at 35+ now, so I'm ready 💪
violet ginkgo
Saw yoda suggesting it from 20% haste and sounded too early
Plz don’t listen to Yoda… even his build is cooked
quiet zenith
Wait why should wari be unplayable in 12s without ITF?
jagged pier
Its not
molten gorge
That will explain more
Dorki has logs I'm pretty sure
strong forum
Wdym, missing out on 8% armor, 8% stam 2% haste and 6-8% damage reduction out on your main target sounds like a great build
jagged pier
Wait why should wari be unplayable in 12s without ITF?
Its what theu say
strong forum
For some reason streamers have an ungodly aversion to HR
soft mason
Is the Wowhead build basically the best build for pushin' keys?
jagged pier
Yes
strong forum
I would think so yeah
molten gorge
I would imagine it's just cause it feels slower so they're annoyed by it but idk
jagged pier
Doesnt feel much different to me tbh 
soft mason
I've been really enjoying the Shield Block extension talent, as a newb.
nocturne vine
Since you all active, how should i handle priority while using colossus in st, should i still send a lot of revenge?
strong forum
Nah
tardy abyss
I wish we could also use the veteran talent with the wowhead build somehow
strong forum
St prio as Colossus is the normal rotation of prioritising rage generation
jagged pier
I wish we could also use the veteran talent with the wowhead build somehow
There is a build
strong forum
I wish we could also use the veteran talent with the wowhead build somehow
There's 2 options you have
Either drop Ravager to get it, which comes at the loss of a powerful aoe dmg, threat and burst rage gen button
Or drop shield charge + Champions Bulwark, and pick up BSV and Bolster
jagged pier
Must have missed something
Go to the talent calulator choose the drop down bottom left and its the immortal wheelchair build
tardy abyss
There's 2 options you have
Either drop Ravager to get it, which comes at the lo...
Yup and both options are really tough
molten gorge
we ready now 😎
strong forum
Correct
tardy abyss
If only we had one more talent point
strong forum
So I just don't play BSV
Cuz I ain't the one dying first anyway
When I drop low I just healthpot or impending victory
tardy abyss
I've played with BSV a few keys and it saved me once or so
Not that bad to have but also doesn't come into play that often
Would be nice to have that security though
molten gorge
Jump from 11 to 12 is very noticable, was more than I expected ngl
molten gorge
Mists we did, the trash does clap inthe maze ig
strong forum
Lemme guess
The 1 pull that has 2 guardians
Aka the only pull in the entire dungeon
That does tank dmg
tardy abyss
If you don't reflect the anima slash you're in for a bad time
molten gorge
healer unironically said that he thought focusing me made a couple dps die
what more shocked me is how big the jump is
like a 14, I can see why they have BSV now
strong forum
If you don't reflect the anima slash you're in for a bad time
You can't reflect every single one
Only every other
molten gorge
^
tardy abyss
You can't reflect every single one
Ofc not
molten gorge
Warr definitely nice in there cause of reflect
tardy abyss
But only having to deal with one instead of two stacks is a gamechanger already
jagged pier
The double pack i just found sr -SW - spellblock repeat works fairly well