protection

[icy flax]

@wintry gate get help

[wintry gate]

lmfao

[molten gorge]

And lilbro is tryna flex on me over his 2.2k on druid idk

[plush tendon]

I got a flex

get rekt idiots

[sweet summit]

[molten gorge]

[icy flax]

Noones as mentally affected as I am by this

[teal laurel]

I guess we'll see how much of an impact that macro had when I run more 9s tomorrow lol. I put up a couple quick and dirty weakauras for sound fx if I'm somehow letting tclap/slam sit idle

[molten gorge]

Next dungeon you finish it deaf

[teal laurel]

Could be a little misuse of gcds considering how much I mash Q/E and that would directly interfere

Time to be more attentive

[jagged pier]

uh oh

[graceful kite]

Anger management talen reduces wall and avatar cd by spenging rage and wall talent reducses wall cooldown by pressing shield slam

[graceful kite]

I'm actually getting butthurt from that cause I had to play priest and pala and dk for the whole modern wow and now my played is noob trash

and that's after losing my account in 2012

[jagged pier]

this is from wrath i think

so not too bad

[graceful kite]

Yea I have shit played like 270 days

[jagged pier]

i was casual from wrath-MoP (SOO) as well

then casual again for most of wod

but it ramped up in legion and beyond

[molten gorge]

Still sad I missed MoP

[jagged pier]

[graceful kite]

mop was warrior time until you met a warlock

[molten gorge]

Gave up after t1 of Cata but I'd been going ham during Wrath

[graceful kite]

I just went and played wrath on private server after wrath ended lol

[molten gorge]

I need to stop afk'ing

this is the problem with wfh, just sat logged in doing nothing

[molten gorge]

I could never get into pservers for some reason, idk why

[teal laurel]

Also @molten gorge @icy flax thanks for the help/analysis even if you were a little weird about it Def 😂

[molten gorge]

but I have my claim to WotLK fame 😎

[molten gorge]

lmao np

I'm not an expert so not sure how useful I am

but hopefully next keys are better 💪

[teal laurel]

I typically have pretty good success on keys I'm just trying to fix gaps where I think I'm sucking 😂

I guess mechanics I'm gucci but hitting buttons more I need work lmao

[icy flax]

love

[jagged pier]

same tbh

[icy flax]

do u think the guy who talked about playtime assumed everyone leveled a character fresh from level 1 to get to normal dungeons at 80 as fast as he did

[molten gorge]

idek what the played time was to prove

cause he even said he main'd druid, but then linked his warriors play time

🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

jesus christ

[molten gorge]

https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Slickdpsttv oh no

[round pendant]

Got my enhance shaman from 1-80 and 567 ilvl in 14 hours

70-80 took like 5 hours, brutal

dps queuing is rough

[icy flax]

I've never felt so lost

[modern leaf]

just got hero track sacbrood, whats is a good 2nd trinket to farm for m+ and used only in m+? i got a champ track swarmlord too

[jagged pier]

the one u have already

[modern leaf]

is this better than swarmlord or skarmorak shard?

[jagged pier]

same as shard better than swarlord

[waxen cradle]

Not been able to push at all liked I wanted to this season my score is like 1400 or some shit, I just dont have time anymore with work, I can basically raid/work/raid/work and thats it really

[rose cloak]

what do you guys think about the Changes on Prot Warrior?

[waxen cradle]

insignificant honestly

[icy flax]

Colossus good changes

[sweet summit]

instead of overcapping 2000 rage i might overcap 1000 rage or

[jagged pier]

its the cosmetic change to make ppl think warrior is not meta

[waxen cradle]

we have more than enough rage gen to survive and will not effect much of anything, as far as the dps spec changes : see the fury and arms channels

yeah Colossus is a net win

overall I even think the dps spec changes are a net win... I am sure some will doom and gloom but I think its a net win

By doom and gloom I mean any nerfs that happened to arms

[ornate mango]

am i crazy of mountain thane has got a gigantic dps increase for tanks

[molten gorge]

25% dmg increase on this is the crux of it ya?

and then we lose a bit of rage

[round pendant]

lmao

good way to describe it

[molten gorge]

and this is doing 80% of what it is now

(ish)

in terms of rage gen

[ornate mango]

think it might be time to try the other bad boy

[round pendant]

it's weird they buff colossus and then buff thane too

so thane is just still the best choice

[ornate mango]

i think they did most of the changes with fury in mind

but they impacted prot

[round pendant]

This is why I think the triangle system is kinda wack

[edgy bone]

Where are these changes?

[edgy bone]

Yeah bro they buffed our damage across the board??

as prot

[rose cloak]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-weekly-reset-hero-talent-tree-tuning-and-preservation-347570

[shy python]

Can we Spell Reflect away the fox add at 2nd boss in Tirna Scithe?

[broken stratus]

is Sense block/spell reflect sheet working for anyone?

[edgy bone]

Bruh what

I can run into the fox with spell reflect up and it disappears? no fkn way

[lilac meteor]

Question

Is prot getting heavy buffed with warrior changes or am I tripping

[shy python]

Yeah a bit like the tentacles in Grim Batol I hoped.
Got 3 grps that absoluteley had no clue of this boss. Two DKs that gripped the fox INTO the grp

[zealous goblet]

i know this is probably a meme, but i think the 30% boost isn't additive

right?

[lilac meteor]

If I ever saw a death knight death grip a tentacle on me I’d punch my moniter

[tardy abyss]

I'm confused, is it a confirmation that we can spell reflect the fox or no

[left meteor]

You can not

[hoary pivot]

Even if you could you should not try, it would just grief melees following you.

[woeful trellis]

Can somebody say if it’s working? Cause u could sr leap charge boss again 🤩 but Idts. Just St it and run to the other side 🤣

[gusty sable]

You usally cc and ignore it

Why waste dmg

[dreamy pulsar]

so for craftign items we do wrist + ?

[jagged pier]

sure

[hot willow]

Hello, as huge beginner on tanking, going on war, whats Ur top first advice to improve ?

[cosmic canyon]

Try to macro as much stuff as possible on as few buttons as possible. 95%+ uptime on shield block and go from there.

This allows you to focus on positioning, pullsizes, avoiding / stunning / interrupting stuff as well as boss mechanics.

[frank rock]

After readin the guide on Wowhead, click as many buttons as possible, keep shield block on cd and dont overcap rage 🙂

[hot willow]

Roger, thank u guys

[north silo]

Try to get your keybinds ready for your main dmg rotation (revenge, shieldslam, thunderclap) and def rotation (ignore pain, shield bock). And play some hc inis. Later on learn def and off cd's

pick mountain thain, much easier 🙂

[graceful kite]

see limb - get ready to strafe jump

[graceful kite]

No its getting nerfed

[tardy abyss]

I wouldn't call it a nerf

It's not like we are starving rage at all

[graceful kite]

Im replying to a person asking if its a heavy buff

[twin hill]

so patch notes are a slight nerf?

[long hamlet]

Does this mean it hits all of them or just 1? Just 1 right?

[violet ginkgo]

Well I think slayer is quite problematic as in for DPS spec it's just clear choice, so they tried to buff the other 2 to be on par with slayer so ppl want to use it. But guess what? Prot is the one use the other 2 so we benefit from that 😄

[warm plinth]

It hits one item with lightning strike guaranteed

one enemy*

[severe jay]

But wasn’t the rage generation the reason we were going mountain thane

I heard that it’s going to be the new go to

[warm plinth]

Wrong channel?

[neon elk]

Yea prot slayer gotta slap

[severe jay]

Nah I meant colossus

[warm plinth]

Oh. I don't think anything is changing in that regard. At least, not that the almighty TCs have said at this point.

[icy flax]

Having to tell ppl not to make macros is funny

[wide pilot]

If i dont plan on doing any raiding would you guys recommend the larynx or shard to pair with sacbrood?

[green bronze]

simming is the answer, i have like 7 trinkets and my best second trinket always changes cause my stats change as well

[warped plaza]

How impactful are the rage nerfs next week

[wide pilot]

Is that why the big boys talents all seem to vary as well? Seems like some run ravager, bounding stride, pain and gain, battle scarred veteran some dont

[warm plinth]

No, that's because high key warriors be doing high key warrior things

[tribal wharf]

world of runescape boys

[wide pilot]

Is there a key level where you would want to start venturing away from the wowhead talents?

[tribal wharf]

there was a time when such a thing was a major pipe dream for me

[graceful kite]

no

there are a lot of builds in wowhead guide, including very defensive ones if you're struggling with survival on very high keys

unless you're talking small tweaks like maybe you want aoe bers rage for mists or something

[spring mountain]

what does a block chance above 100% actually do

[warm plinth]

Uh, nothing as far as I know. It's not really a situation you run into.

[spring mountain]

i mean, dont we?, with shield block up youre at 140+%

[warm plinth]

Shield Block doesn't increase your shield block chance technically. It just makes it so you block everything while it's active.

[spring mountain]

so what is the point of mastery if 100 sb uptime

[warm plinth]

Because you don't have 100 sb uptime

At least, most people don't

And it also gives crit block

[hoary pivot]

Also Spell Block exists

[warped plaza]

How bad are the rage nerfs next week?

[remote frost]

Whats considered a spell for spellblock? everything thats not a white swing, or just things that are "explicitly" spells?

[warm plinth]

Whatever Blizzard considers a spell, but generally speaking, anything that is magic damage and isn't a DoT

[warm plinth]

Mastery and spell block don't really interact since you should have shield block up the entire time spell block is upa nyway.

[hoary pivot]

Wait wait, that works? I am stupid then. I thought Shield Block specifically says attacks?

[opal rivet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml

[calm cove]

ye cuz you cant block spells with it normally

[remote frost]

grazie

[violet ginkgo]

what is considered spell for spellblock is in the pinned post, there is document.

[warm plinth]

That's only spells deemed important

Not an exhaustive list

[remote frost]

thats still better than just pressing the button because the pack has casters

[hot willow]

Hello, IS there a weak aura to help or just have to learn ?

[pastel sleet]

im trying to decide on my 4th craft. right now im thinking neck because there arent really any good haste necks for non raiders.
is the raid cantrip neck (from heroic) worth prioritizing over a crafted 636?

[wide pilot]

How does spell block exactly work? Ive always used it when the spreadsheet says but never really understood it.
Is it completing ignoring the spell? Do you have to have shield block up with it for it to actually work? Or is it a 30% DR from spells while its up

[warm plinth]

No, yes and no, no

[jagged pier]

it just blocks spells

like u block physical attacks

thats it

[warm plinth]

#protection message

Read

[jagged pier]

except

it doesnt have a mit cap so if it crit blocks

it can make u immune

[wide pilot]

Ah that would explain why sometimes i take no dmg and sometimes i get chunked but not nearly as bad as without it

[tribal wharf]

no lust and not timing the key

name a more iconic duo

[green bronze]

fuck it we ball and wipe on first pull

[tribal wharf]

i just dont know how you DONT have lust, a haste buff, that lets you attack faster

cuz mobs have 100s of millions of hp. to make it go faster.... by attacking faster......

[green bronze]

wish warrior could lust

[tribal wharf]

in a speedrun...............

[placid night]

Hey guys what Is the Best Option For craft Warrior Prot After Shield?

[tribal wharf]

an online speed run with multiple other players....... that you can't puase...........................................................

[placid night]

Feet Or wirst ?

[tribal wharf]

blood lust is like, the very first thing i think about joining a key

[green bronze]

i think CR is just as important

[tribal wharf]

followed by brez or better yet, 2 brez, 1 shitty one and 1 good one

[green bronze]

maybe even more important

[tribal wharf]

i just feel like the scenario i came up with, 1 lust and 2 brez, 1 shitty brez like shaman self rez or dk (requires to use runic power, which they can use on ANY number of other things)

[green bronze]

grim batol is pretty enjoyable dungeon now, after all the nerfs, just did 10 and 11 back to back with only 2 deaths

[tribal wharf]

is the scenario, i feel the most safe in, in a key

[green bronze]

i take 1 retri pala, high io retris are gods for some reason

they are always highest on dps and CR on the spot

[tribal wharf]

there are almost no down sides to warlock battlerez or druid battle rez for example

maybe a casting time? thats it

lower costs, brings back for more, think it brings back for more and cheaper and instant if you are healer

[green bronze]

druids are rare these days

only really see boomies

[tribal wharf]

i had a baby key with 2 boomies and resto druid +4 sv

only SV i completed this week

[green bronze]

SV fucking sucks, i think i tried to time it 3 times this week already

[tribal wharf]

i have vastly underestimated how badly i suck at keys

probably gunna retire soon

[violet ginkgo]

K I'll accompany you for retirement.

I have my retirement date already

[tender reef]

got a question about logs, i got the file but its not on the webpage and the app doesnt let me manually upload it, how do i do that?

[rare kraken]

How come Mountain Thane runs Spear instead of Thunderous Roar? I thought Thunderous Roar would be generally better

[nocturne spindle]

I think and could be wrong

But it's because they do similar damage but spear is on longer cd and thane is pretty much GCD capped

[shy python]

Am I understanding this affix wrong? I don't see a CDR at all on neither of my abilities

[hoary pivot]

If you sesrch for Spear in this channel you will find a lot of messages talking in detail about this

[graceful kite]

it cdrs ravager

not sure what else tho

bring a monk and you can pretend this affix doesn't exist

[shy python]

so only some abilities?

[graceful kite]

yep

[shy python]

mhm

[graceful kite]

it for sure doesnt cdr spear and avatar

[turbid shuttle]

It sims higher and requires fewer points to get to

[graceful kite]

what are you stuck on? after nerfs I think first boss is the hardest thing in the whole dungeon

[muted crown]

i started a prot war just recently, with the free 619 craft what would you guys suggest to craft 1st? 1h or shield?

[blazing condor]

shiled

[ornate thicket]

Its buggy. Ive had it do just spear then another key spear and ravager

[inland raft]

O is sv not as bad? I havnt been in there yet because i have obsessive compulsive behavior and been farming siege and wake trying for haste ring

[graceful kite]

its not the best

but there are no overlaps on machinists anymore

[ornate thicket]

Sv isnt bad outside of dps cleaving all 3 shards at once on skarn

[tulip remnant]

And you have a healer with functional hands on the last boss.

[strong forum]

all that affix means

its essentially 10 second cooldown reduction extra over 20seconds time

nothing else

it however works together with AM

so any rage you spend during the CDR you reduce the CD of SW and Avatar a lot more

[rare kraken]

in M+?

[rare kraken]

That's so weird

So it's just normal that it doesn't work consistently?

[strong forum]

pmuch

billsard being

[rare kraken]

I noticed that a lot

but yeah I couldn't tell if the affix was straight up not working for a bunch of abilities or if I just couldn't perceive it

[strong forum]

sadly the CDR doesnt work for Charge system spells like Shield Block

or any hasted spell, from my understanding

[rare kraken]

...

that's like

every rotational ability

wtf

no wonder this affix feels so lame

[strong forum]

It feels lame cuz it is lame

[violet ginkgo]

Nome speaking of affix, this week affix with shield... doesn't really worth to take wrecking/shattering throw?

[ornate thicket]

Dog shit affix

You can send executes into it cuz its hp is shielded with 1hp

[violet ginkgo]

I wonder if that is purgeable, shaman/priest got ability to remove shield right? or that won't work on affix?

[tribal wharf]

to fix it, it would have to be like, when you finish killng it, its tether to the monsters it was helping breaks,, gives you guys a heal and does a dmg/cc to the enemies

cuz its just, another add but its prio add due to dr it provides

so it's, you hae to put a bunch of effort in, just to not struggle more

[icy flax]

I like the affix greatly

[tribal wharf]

priest or something cant just dispell its shield right

you would do that in kings rest

[icy flax]

Nah it's not possible at all

ToD from monk or MQM from anyone(esp havoc) using mqm to one shot it is great

[tribal wharf]

well, its shield should take more damage then, 125 or 150% dmg

then at least its easy to kill

[icy flax]

I've not had too hard of a time seeing it die up to 9s can't speak if it's buffed by fort?

[violet ginkgo]

I heard about shattering throw also 1 shot it but I haven't test yet

[icy flax]

If you fuck around and find out lmk

[green bronze]

second boss is the biggest problem IMO, people keep fucking it up, first boss never was a problem in any of my keys

the one with shards and big shield

[dark cosmos]

first boss is hard but if you dont make it through first boss theres no way youll make it through skarm lol

i love sv personally

other than last boss it needs some work

[remote frost]

skarm is only a problem if dps cant keep their fingers calm

always spam ping the shard you want killed so people can coordinate atleast a bit helps in my experience

[green bronze]

skarm is very hectic, you have to kill 6 shards one after another, without overlaps and it is timed as well, if you still have 2 shards before he casts his shield, it is likely a wipe

[remote frost]

if you only kill 5 shards its still okayish

[dark cosmos]

these "boss is easy if pugs play well" comments
youre correct, meaning: its always hard

[remote frost]

well yeah, but at that point the first boss is harder for pugs

[green bronze]

gotta try taking disc priest into SV, i think it will make it much easier

[dark cosmos]

first boss takes less in the moment coordination though, healer can before hand just say "3->2" and thats all that needs to be said, not the same as skarm with no voice

ya you can ping etc etc but lets be real its awkward

[green bronze]

skarm is really awkward, i usually just say skull > cross > square cause DBM marks them automatically

but sometimes skull is far away from boss while square is like on top of boss

[dark cosmos]

ya i dont ever bother going by marks (order wise)

just ping a lot but ya its just scrappy

[green bronze]

gotta find a free button for ping)

[dark cosmos]

I mean a lot of tww bosses are pretty scrappy without voice tbf (although I think theyre really cool and im glad theyre making dungeon bosses more involved)

[jagged pier]

we finished the SV 2 mins over timer

last portal i need as i already have NW one

[dark cosmos]

you only need 2 portals?

[jagged pier]

literally 16 reasons why i didnt time SV right there

[green bronze]

SV is last portal for me as well

[jagged pier]

no i need 1

[dark cosmos]

😓

[remote frost]

i would still rather run the tww dungeons than wake in pugs

[dark cosmos]

just bad luck i swear!!

[fierce kindle]

guys

how much of a griefer am i if i like thunderous roar over spear

[green bronze]

i timed everything on 11 but can't time fucking stonevault even on 10(

[dark cosmos]

i just cant find groups for these last few 11s

[jagged pier]

not much but its suboptimal for thane

[remote frost]

doesnt yoda play roar + thane?

[dark cosmos]

always like 75% mist 11 keys when i search 11 LOL

[fierce kindle]

yea i play thane

[jagged pier]

doesnt mean its correct

[fierce kindle]

i just really like roar haha

[dark cosmos]

roar for snap threat, champion spear for higher overall + utility

[jagged pier]

roar does nothing for threat

[green bronze]

i didn't have much trouble finding 11s, but 12s are pretty much non existent, wanted to try one, but couldn't find any)

[jagged pier]

and is less rage and less damage

[dark cosmos]

once again: tanking real dungeons is not a 10 minute target dummy parse

[fierce kindle]

i also do not play intervene i am a bit of a noob

[remote frost]

neither does spear when my enhance rips 3 procs back to bck

[jagged pier]

once again having ither talent makes no difference in any key so why not run the better one

[dark cosmos]

I just dont agree with you but ok np

[fierce kindle]

using spear well i feel like its harder to do

[jagged pier]

eh? u press it on cd on mobs

[green bronze]

thunderous roar is really good when mobs are still spread but you need threat right now

[jagged pier]

how is that hard?

[dark cosmos]

its got higher cd and its more awkward when running through multiple packs gathering

[fierce kindle]

you want to not waste it

[green bronze]

i switched to thunderous roar and don't really wanna go back to spear, maybe could have been doing 10-20k more overall

[fierce kindle]

and use it with double thudnerclap proc

[green bronze]

but for ease of use thunderous roar is goated

[fierce kindle]

and i always forget to align it with avatar

[dark cosmos]

^

[whole heron]

guys can someone explain correctly what is critically block means ?

[green bronze]

also the reason i take BSV, it may never proc in a dungeon, but when it does, you know it probably saved your key)

[pallid quiver]

It's available more often for threat purposes, since it can have a 45s CD compared to spear's 1.5 min CD, but it doesn't like, generate more threat. Nome brought it up as one of the only legitimate reasons to pick roar over spear

[warm plinth]

We don't hold CDs to align them with anything.

[green bronze]

you block twice as much damage

[jagged pier]

or u just trickles down to 30 and it procs

or u took damage that wouldnt have killed u and it proc

[warm plinth]

And Spear is just as easy to use as TR; you just make a macro if it bothers you to target it that much

[whole heron]

can you give me an example?

[jagged pier]

BSV is bad as it procs on damage that wont kill u, when u get low as prot the damage has happened already

[green bronze]

better safe then sorry

[pallid quiver]

BSV does work retroactively like Necropolis now, though, so it's nice

much better than it was in initial iteration

[green bronze]

BSV literally saves your from death, like your pc can freeze for 5 seconds, BSV will save you

[pallid quiver]

You can still like, have it not proc by playing proper with good talents

[warm plinth]

An ability does 1 million damage, if you block, you reduce it by say 40%. If you crit block, you'd reduce it by 80%.

[jagged pier]

ive had 0 threat issues and cant see how TR saves from zug zug dps

[green bronze]

works a lot like purgatory

[warm plinth]

This was to @whole heron

[green bronze]

it does help a lot, you just press TR and go back to your business of grouping pack without having to worry about threat

[pallid quiver]

It's working on the assumption that you don't have zug zug DPS, and are coordinating, like if you need to snap multiple pulls back to back. I can't think of any situation in current dungeons where that's actually the plan, but it would be a valid reason to grab it if the routing plan for a dedicated group could find use for it

[jagged pier]

so u missed packs with TR to gather packs

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

eh?

[warm plinth]

I was just gonna say that lol

So you're using TR before everything is gathered

[pallid quiver]

That's exactly what Jakey meant by zug zug DPS

[green bronze]

well TR has much bigger range then spaer

[pallid quiver]

you shouldn't have to press TR to keep mobs gathered

[whole heron]

thank you very much ❤️

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't be using CDs until everything is together

[pallid quiver]

DPS should just

not press buttons

[green bronze]

TR range allows you to press it even when mobs are a little bit spread

just like demo shout

[jagged pier]

if your gathering just throw rav on the one u leave behind or the one u want to pull thats far

dont waste TR on a pack

eh?

[dark cosmos]

what am i reading

[green bronze]

ravager is long cd, you won't have it on every pull

i also take BSV instead of ravager

[warm plinth]

I'm just gonna 🚪 🚶‍♂️

[pallid quiver]

You're inting yourself defensively by not taking Ravager; it's pretty much a full rage bar every cast

[green bronze]

not like im rage starving tbh

but i like having that safety net

[jagged pier]

its not about not rage starving

[green bronze]

in case something bad happens

[fierce kindle]

i got 1 more question boys, when should i swap into, into the frenzy

[jagged pier]

the more rage u generate the more the class cycle happens

[dark cosmos]

into the fray?

[jagged pier]

your making yourself squishier to take a cheat death

[fierce kindle]

oh yea

[jagged pier]

35-40% haste unbuffed

[pallid quiver]

It's about 35-40% before buffs unless you want to tell your healer to babysit you

[green bronze]

you are saying it like you have 100% uptime of ravager

you are just as tanky as i am outside of ravager

[remote frost]

when you have enough haste to not drop shieldblock

[fierce kindle]

i think i have 35% with 10 stacks

or 37 i gotta check

[jagged pier]

its the whole thing with streamers atm taking ITF because it feels bad to play without it, and take BSV they are actively making themselves squisher

[green bronze]

and ravager uptime is minimal, and dangerour part of pull usually happens towards the end of it

when you start to run out of cds, ravager is long gone by that time

[pallid quiver]

Don't worry, having BSV will let you fuck up mechanics and say it was the only thing that enabled you to time the key, though

instead of just

doing the mechanics

[green bronze]

well, its nice to allow yourself to make a mistake

humans are no robots

[green bronze]

when i become as good as you, so i never make mistakes, ill remove BSV

[fierce kindle]

yea i got 37% haste with just normal oil and thats it

[pallid quiver]

Sir, if you fuck up the pool mechanic on last boss of Echoes, and get surprised, you're a moron.

I might be talking about a specific person in general who had this happen on a log, but

[dark cosmos]

my dungeonslice sim is 0.3% different overall between spear and roar btw

literally who could care

[pallid quiver]

Dungeon Slice doesn't work for prot

There's not an actual working APL and setup for it

[jagged pier]

i still make mistakes but you can cover it with play, if u never get rid of your saftey net u are never going to get used to playing out of mistakes

[dark cosmos]

ok ill do 5t

[green bronze]

well, that mechanic doesn't kill even on 11

if you are talking about me

[pallid quiver]

i don't even know your character name

I was just talking with a friend about not just blindly trusting high IO people as the ultimate God Chad Thundercock who rules on Thundercock mountain, and pulled up a log of someone in the top 50 of IO for Prot War

[green bronze]

if you get punished with party disband for every mistake, you will never play enough to learn

[dark cosmos]

ok its 1% different on 5 target dummy

[pallid quiver]

and they did exactly the above

[dark cosmos]

so yes i just literally dont care

[jagged pier]

literally doesnt happen

[dark cosmos]

and only care about the damage profile/utility cd

[jagged pier]

and making a mistake doesnt mean death

[dark cosmos]

which often spear is way way better for ofc

[jagged pier]

and a wipe

i died in my GB 10 on a boss

did we wipe no

[pallid quiver]

happens in low keys in NA a lot, though, to be fair

[jagged pier]

we recovered

and we timed the key

[green bronze]

sometimes its salvageable

most of the times its not

[static heron]

is 500k damage bad in a 5

[pallid quiver]

Hard to tell since mobs don't live long in a 5 if people are playing proper

[dark cosmos]

this happens every day what

[pallid quiver]

There's only so much damage to go around, and DPS played well outdamage you

[dark plover]

Also depends what’s dungeon

[dark cosmos]

if i die as tank theres at least a 50% chance we wipe which is an instant disband

[jagged pier]

yer groups disband, not form one sole mistake tho

thats huge confirmation bias or not understanding whats going on

[green bronze]

15 secs per death, you are likely not timing the key if you wiped, so no reason continuing, especially if you wasted lust on that pull

[dark cosmos]

how is me getting clapped by walking back into a pack not a sole mistake

[south plume]

Hello , for m+ focused is haste/vers better than haste/crit ?

[pallid quiver]

Mostly this, yeah

[dark cosmos]

the key is fine and timeable -> i get burst down and die, we wipe -> we all leave

[jagged pier]

ive got clapped because the healer hasnt followed me

is that my mistake or the healers

or both of ours

[dark plover]

Both

[jagged pier]

to release wha the other was doing?

correct

[dark cosmos]

yours imo actually but

[jagged pier]

both

[green bronze]

doesn't matter whose mistake it is, BSV would allow you to live long enough for your healer to come

[pallid quiver]

DPS' fault, don't @ me

[dark cosmos]

oh unless they literally went a different way, nvm

[static heron]

5 NW first time playing prot wasnt sure what dmg should look like lol i was right around 500

[green bronze]

i once went into a big double pull in DB 11, around fountain, and realized my group went some other way, behind the bridge

and i survive alone long enough for them all to mount up and fly to me

[pallid quiver]

yeah if you've got an enha blasting 1M in a 5, you might not really have the chance to do damage on mobs

So you could be playing poorly, could be playing well; it's hard to tell

[static heron]

fair

im assuming poorly my keybinds were all over from fury lmao

[pallid quiver]

You're at least not playing badly, since people have managed lower in better circumstances

[dark cosmos]

ya i mean id say both you and your party just have to look at your screen more here, is my honest take

[pallid quiver]

Usually you can ranged anywhere from 700-1M depending on key level, dungeon, and pull sizes, as a heads up, though that can also depend on gear

[green bronze]

i wonder if in DK discord there are also people that are against taking purgatory)

[dark cosmos]

I had a dawn group yesterday where we were going to house, i said "roof" in chat, me and 3 others land on roof, last guy comes literally 10 seconds later and flys straight into mobs and gets one shot

then chats "ugh just pull"

😩

[green bronze]

dawnbraker is so much easier with classic flying

[static heron]

tyty

[echo egret]

How do you deal with Zekvir ?? when Enfeeble is not dispelled by Brann ? the dot alone is enough to kill me if I don't have shield wall ready

[shut summit]

use avatar to clear it

[pallid quiver]

Depending on circumstances, yeah, you don't rock purg

There's also less cost to take purg compared to BSV, and DK's tanking style brings them more likely to proc purg in useful places than BSV

[echo egret]

Because it's a slow ?

[jagged pier]

have brann as dps he will intuprt some and use avatar to clear the ones he doesnt

[pallid quiver]

I haven't looked at Zekvir at all, but based on what Jakey and Sense just said, it's either a slow or a root, which Avatar will clear

[bleak sundial]

what talent should i drop if wanna get disrupting shout?

[pallid quiver]

And so it'll take care of the other negative aspects, as well

[jagged pier]

blood surge

[pallid quiver]

Should be Bloodsurge if Thane, since Thunderlord gets too much value from the extra claps you get

[bleak sundial]

wookie tenks

[pallid quiver]

Note that it is technically a notable loss of rage in mass AOE, but you might not actually notice it, depending

[echo egret]

Either that or as healer, there's always one point where I get Enfeeble, avatar is not ready, and I just die.

[jagged pier]

u can play through it happened to me

survived till avatr was back

[fierce pier]

which part of dungeons you feel most vulnerable as a prot war?im new to prot, i want to be ready rather than getting flopped lol (i tank 10-11s without prior warrior experince with 606)

[final radish]

please any one can give me a weak aura for spell reflect ? ppl are doing me mad 😦

[strong forum]

On pull

[dry phoenix]

any good prot plater profiles?

!plater

[pallid quiver]

Gathering and on pull, yeah

For the record, it's the same for every tank imo

[dark cosmos]

there are some stacking debuffs you have to be careful of but you can usually cc and kite them, but youll die if you dont know

• CoT conscripts
• SV forgehands
• GB enforcer
  Double guardian packs in mist are dangerous but not bad with spell reflect/block ("anima slash"),
  "riptide shredder" singing steel does gigadam in SoB

probably some im forgetting

[inland raft]

Half debating swapping from dwarf to vulp to make pulls less dangerous and bag is nice for range pulling sometimes

[tribal wharf]

is SV forgehands fracture?

[dark cosmos]

yes

[tribal wharf]

if yes, can you just bop/ remove bop?

[dark cosmos]

i would think so

or just slow and walk away, spear, etc

[tribal wharf]

that was a very effective method for dealing with stack back in the day

[dark cosmos]

dude i unironically wanna go vulp

[tribal wharf]

i would if it wasnt a tiny cute fury race tbh

aint for me, not for tank, warrior tank, anyways

[dark cosmos]

healing 100% of your healthbar effectively if you gather 20 mobs in ara kara is kinda wild though

if you think about it in those highly contrived and exact terms

[dark cosmos]

small tank is best tank

[south plume]

Hello , for m+ focused is haste/vers better than haste/crit ?

[dark cosmos]

no

[tribal wharf]

i like the old iconic tanks

big dudes in heavy armor and bulls, for cartoony games like wow

[fierce pier]

thank you, but i think we can stun enforcers so they drop stacks

[dark cosmos]

yes

with DR you have to move away a bit usually though

[fierce pier]

yea

[void skiff]

Morning. Looking at brining my warrior up as my next push. Is the wowhead still accurate for best embellishments or was additional info/changes decided on since launch?

Also how does warrior look the be fairing with any of the upcoming anniversary patch changes

[slow pike]

I have a bit of an odd gearing question. How does the Syphon of the Nathrezim proc stack up to other weapons?

[icy flax]

Gonna log some keys today boys I'm ready to get flamed

[elfin estuary]

What race would you go for pushing higher keys? 12+, dwarf, dark iron dwarf or earthen? (idk if 10% increased armour from earthen is that big as i think)

[tulip warren]

race is irrelevant to be honest

dark iron dwarf just for the aesthetic

[elfin estuary]

well for the most part I agree but dwarfs and dark iron dwarfs stand out with their racial when it comes to m+

[tulip warren]

for m+12 better have a good group with comms in discord and probably god comp 😅

[slow pike]

Aren't dwarves too short to stand out?

[icy flax]

Dwarf racial solves prots only weaknesse

That's all

[graceful kite]

siege of boralus gutters

and they do it in sync and fast

[icy flax]

I love poison in my aas

[graceful kite]

first pull pop your shit

or get hit...

[elfin estuary]

thanks for the answers

[graceful kite]

huh

[inner ravine]

Hi, is there a cheatsheet for spell reflectable casts in m+?

[dawn geode]

pin

[inner ravine]

tnx friend

[loud wave]

Guys I have a question about embelishments.. which are actually good for is in m+?
Is ascendance any good for tank if I am chain pulling?

[icy flax]

From the mobs

[tribal wharf]

what about ring of peace for fracture men

i would assume so but im checking, or like, priest lock mass fear, i know those 2 do big fears

that or something that has big slow, likw hunter slow traps ice and tar

[tulip warren]

there is a weak aura that will pop up

[strong forum]

Your most useful embellishs in keys are dusk/dawn lining

[pallid quiver]

unless you hate shield block or looking at enemies

[solar crown]

Please share 🙂

[nocturne vine]

Hi guys

I was suggested to go ITF once i reached around 15k haste, what do you think about it

[tepid reef]

Hi folks, do we have prot WA packages linked anyone in the discord?
Anyone have strong preferences for certain ones?

I'm having trouble keeping tacking of somethings (shield block uptime, cough, cough)

[merry sluice]

but tank need take many hit
small guy take little hit
biiig guy take many hit!
big guy better tank
🙂

[tulip warren]

https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg

[mellow quartz]

Just manually delete all the wrong notifications you get with that WA and it’s fine

Many casts have the tank as the target in the cast bar but the abilities actually go on random party members and the WA shows it as going on you.

[tribal wharf]

you can also make plater do the same thing

search the spell, add a sound effect

[strong forum]

Nah, I have ~15k haste and SB gaps, I hard swapped this week to HR cuz I cba dealing with block downtime

I still do more dmg than anyone else so I'm chillin

[tribal wharf]

you guys still use df augment rune (perma) for low keys

or nah

cuz its, have it, and its on my bars, and it does provide slight buff

[strong forum]

i never got the perma rune

[graceful kite]

I think people overhype talents like itf

And forget that alternative is good too

[strong forum]

"it feels bad to play without it"

can guarantee you, if you dont show those people the talents, and hide buff tracker

people wouldnt be able to tell whats what

[molten gorge]

Get farmed HR nerd 😎

[pallid quiver]

It's even less than it was before, iirc, since they hit the value of max stats

[graceful kite]

You can find them on wago but I suggest after using them for some time to make your own

[pallid quiver]

so it's even harder to notice

The only bit I actually realistically notice while playing is when SB goes down when I'm playing ITF and I feel very confused

[strong forum]

now lets see whats being compared

[molten gorge]

I could not tell the difference when swapping talents either btw

Just feels the same

[wintry gate]

hey guys quick question, should i macro shield charge with regular charge or no

[graceful kite]

No

[strong forum]

i like my WA package

[molten gorge]

That was damage allstars

[strong forum]

for what

[molten gorge]

Obv I'm just memeing, Tank logs are a kekw

[pallid quiver]

I like parts of your WA package that I cannibalized 🙂

[wintry gate]

any reason?

[strong forum]

cuz it doesnt work properly

[graceful kite]

Scharge bugs out if used in charge

[wintry gate]

thinking about it too it would be better to charge to 3 different packs then to waste 2 charges on one pack too

[graceful kite]

Use it mostly when you're in melee

[strong forum]

you can run into danger of putting both on CD without benefitting off of 1 of themn

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[wintry gate]

ahh got it

[strong forum]

if you shield charge during normal charge, shield charge goes on CD without giving you any rage or buffs

[pallid quiver]

It's possible to get shield charge mid charge, and not get the rage gen from base charge, but have it still on CD

oh, other way around

which is worse

[graceful kite]

Whats your wa package nome

Can you screenshot it

[south zealot]

never go band for band with nomer on damage

you will lose

[strong forum]

#1269009097525694616 message

[pallid quiver]

i think sense could

[graceful kite]

Cant see channel

Shows as unknown

[strong forum]

go to prot faq

[pallid quiver]

https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek

There's the link straight from there for you

[strong forum]

then to Macros & Weakauras

[strong forum]

dafuq

@ionic fern fix

[graceful kite]

Thanks

[pallid quiver]

Txr's been banned from the good things

hate to see it

[wintry gate]

whats the engineering battle res thing you can buy ,anyone know what its called?

[graceful kite]

Im just interested my wa is perfect for me

But you never know if theres a good iteration of something so its nice to check

[kind glen]

I was able to see it if I clicked on the "Macros and WAs" text specifically

[graceful kite]

I clicked text

[pallid quiver]

Realistic Jumper Cables or something like that

[kind glen]

I'm saying if you click TWW part it gave me that message

[graceful kite]

Maybe i dont have some role im not an active discord user

[molten gorge]

Reliable I think

Something reliable jumper cables

Convincingly?

[pallid quiver]

if you search jumper cables and turn on current expac filter, you'll find 'em

[molten gorge]

^

They have a cast tho and you have to be ontop of the person, not sure the tank is the guy to be bres-ing if you can help it

[south zealot]

depends, sense actually pushes keys and sometimes takes a slightly tankier build for the sac of some dam

[graceful kite]

Btw i jusr remembered something

[south zealot]

i remember in nelths lair i was getting cooked on the first pull i played the avatar shield wall talent and bsv

warrior still the most dps tank in that key with reflects lol

[graceful kite]

They removed that nice thing that you got mire loot from m+ if you did it on higher keys right?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, hence could. If could probably compete if he wanted to

[inner wren]

are gnome warriors the ugliest warrior race?

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

gnomes are the most degenerate race

[south zealot]

no

burgys blackwater hat or whatever that toy is called is tuff

[quasi palm]

Hey guys, I'm new on warr tank, is it me or does he has a loooot of buttons?

[inner wren]

thats the fun of it

[quasi palm]

is there a guide or something about how to use all these skills?

[molten gorge]

Wowhead is your friend

[chilly brook]

No that belongs to vulpera

[echo egret]

So after a good 2 hours spent on Zekvir ??, I still can't reach phase 2 very often. There's always something going wrong, a badly positioned cone, I'm too often not killing the egg in time, enfeeble killing me when I have nothing left against it, etc.
It really feels as small bits of luck (like where the egg spawns) plays a major role in that encounter.

[lone hearth]

More shield slam

[jagged pier]

Nah u just need to get used to the spell queuing and u should be baiting all the cones before going to the egg

[echo egret]

I know I can bait the small ones but the big brown ones seem random

[mellow quartz]

Shredders in SOB are quite literally insane

If blizzard nerfs anything it should be those dots

[kind karma]

Anyone got any tips for Zekvir Tier 2 as prot? 🙂

[jagged pier]

Nope baitable as well

[jagged pier]

Yer do dam bait spells ez clap

[chilly brook]

Dodge mechanics

Use buttons

Kill egg

Profit

[kind karma]

Probably should specify.. I am really strugglign to burst down those eggs before hatching. Does iLVL really have an effect? Currently 601 but I honestly don't know if let's say 10-15 ilvls would make such a big difference

[chilly brook]

I mean of course 10-15 ilvl is big

[echo egret]

I'm 614 and I struggle as well.

[chilly brook]

But you should be fine to do it at 601

[kind karma]

Mountain Thane or Colossus better?

[chilly brook]

Likely doesn’t matter

[jagged pier]

Been dome on both

So what ever u prefer

[chilly brook]

But it’s a dps race tbh

So prolly colossus

[kind karma]

The other annoying this is.. not sure if a bug or not but my CDs do not reset after each pull?

[jagged pier]

No that happens

Thing is we cant really give advice because we cant see what your doing on the fight its very much a personal thing. Me and sense have both uploaded videos of us doing and we both do it in complete different ways

[echo egret]

The thing is, in both your videos, all the things that go wrong in my tries, just don't happen.

[jagged pier]

Is that because we doing somthing different earlier on tho?

The answer is probably

Or do we take different talents

[kind karma]

Could you kindly post talent trees and the videos please if possible? 🙂 thanks!

[jagged pier]

U wouldnt see me running disrupting shout in m+ for instance but i did in zkevir because i didnt trust brann and used it late on casts for instance

[molten gorge]

Is there any reason to do Zekvir btw? (Genuine question) feel like I've seen it come up a few times now

Am I missing something by not doing it or?

[jagged pier]

Achievement

[chilly brook]

Cosmetic for the mount

[jagged pier]

And mount skin

[chilly brook]

Achievement

[jagged pier]

The achieve goes away after s1

[chilly brook]

Oh and 616 in vault for your alt

[jagged pier]

https://youtu.be/QZ0DaDlxpcI?si=d2oNPWQ5wkzGhz9I

[chilly brook]

Also doing it when you’re geared is like 2m or less and it’s super fast farm for valorstones

[jagged pier]

Yer but u just do the ? One for valor

Look zekvir is tuned to be a solo players mythic raid end boss

Its not hard its a cognative load of u remebering and learning how to deal with the mechanics

The spell queuing is probably the hardest hing to over come

[echo egret]

It’s just quite depressing to not find a good reason for failing an attempt with no obvious reason.

And btw unless my DBM is obsolete, the timers can be quite random sometimes

[chilly brook]

The hardest thing is being an evoker and getting 2 shot

[jagged pier]

No thats spell queuing

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

The timers are correct

[molten gorge]

Mmm fair, might do it for the mount skin ig

[jagged pier]

But he literally queues spells in different prios based off what is off cd

[chilly brook]

Some classes/specs definitely got the short end of the stick on the solo content

[echo egret]

As always

[jagged pier]

Yer but at like 620 it would be a joke

We have it really fucking easy

Paladin as well

[chilly brook]

My evoker is like 577 or something, 8s are just not even worth my time without someone else

Literally get 2 shot

[jagged pier]

Look if u want to record yourself trying i can have alook but i cant really give pointers on it cause i have no clue how your dealing with the mechanics

[jagged pier]

Yer u would

But he melees like twice a min tho

[chilly brook]

On my monk it wasn’t this way 😦

Feelsbadman

[neon elk]

Can i somehow sim sockets without my jewelery having any empty sockets ? Like addiding a new gear or something ? Cant seem to find that option, not even use if its possible

[jagged pier]

Yer gear compare

Add the sockets yourself

[echo egret]

Maybe I will, thanks !

[jagged pier]

I will put this out there its harder than the mage tower is right now, and ppl still struggle witht he mage tower. It however is not as hard as the mage tower in legion

[chilly brook]

Legion mage tower was peak

Blizz cooked with that

[jagged pier]

I wish we had more solo content like that man

Was peak

[chilly brook]

Really wish they’d do more

[kind karma]

What you guys use for brans idols?

[jagged pier]

Problem is it was too hard for so many players

[kind karma]

for Zekvir

[chilly brook]

Good

[jagged pier]

Idol and amorphous in that

[lofty veldt]

Hi friends

[jagged pier]

Dont forget griff there were ppl in full mythic antorus gear that couldnt do it because it was all on them to do the mechanics

So happy i did it on all chars and specs

Think of finally doing them all again for achieve and mount

[neon elk]

Found it , thanks

[south zealot]

i think there should be real and relevant solo content atleast 1 parch per expansion

[jagged pier]

They should

[south zealot]

thats actually difficult

[chilly brook]

Agreed

[warped plaza]

what's the consensus on the rage nerfs regarding survivability?

[high wyvern]

Is it just me or gearing feels kinda bad this season compared to DF?

[chilly brook]

Looked like nothing tbh

[south zealot]

that shit doesnt matter at all

[high wyvern]

Im kinda stuck rn unless I do mythic raiding

[jagged pier]

Literally does nothing @warped plaza youll overcap 1000 rage now instead of 3000

[chilly brook]

Oh boy 2 rage less per cast

[regal yarrow]

have you guys had a hard time timing stonevaults? I just did a 10 with only a minute and a half left despite pulling the hallways before the first 3 bosses as a single pull each.

[warped plaza]

awesome. been trying to decide between prot warr and prot paladin to focus efforts on 😛

[chilly brook]

Stone vault is a tight timer

You need to pull aggressive

[jagged pier]

Its fine i guess if u havent got to 10s its slow yer, but they wanted to slow it down cause it was too fast in df

[chilly brook]

Good dungeon tho

[jagged pier]

Yer its nigtmare for pugs

[chilly brook]

Because it does

But that’s the byproduct of them wanting gearing to last longer and increasing difficulty of m+ in a shorter range of keys

[tribal wharf]

now i understand why boss 3 SV is hard

[chilly brook]

It’s not

[tribal wharf]

cuz they put crap all over the ground, and then the vent gets covered up, the effect where its safe doesnt have enough smoke to easily see it

[chilly brook]

None of the SV bosses are hard

[regal yarrow]

boss 3 as in what? Skarmorak is easy as long as your healer knows to get some orbs

oh the machinists. Kite it back to the center after each box pull

[tribal wharf]

hard to understand whats going on, what they intend for you to do on that fight, its not readily apparent, or it gets messy where you cant easily see it

[high wyvern]

Maybe im just bad now but man 10s are hard

[tribal wharf]

with the vents, i do the rock boss 2nd

[high wyvern]

DF felt easier to do high keys

The interrupt changes make it harder in pugs too

[tribal wharf]

keys have gotten harder in ways since bfa

[high wyvern]

In DF i could solo aoe control the pack

[jagged pier]

your under geared, keys have more mechanics (but not many) and 10s in DF were 5s now

[chilly brook]

0's

[high wyvern]

Im 618 i feel not that undergear haha, but maybe just a learning curve of new expansion

[chilly brook]

you still have like 20 ilvl to gain

[high wyvern]

Timers feel very tight in certain dungeons

[chilly brook]

because they are

SV is tight

pull big

[tribal wharf]

but the crucial part of information i was missing on that boss is that 1 spot is always safe on the vents and i thought it was just the 2 vents where the boss is standing

[regal yarrow]

There's no way. In dragonflight doing a 24 week 1 was a reasonable goal. People weren't even doing 12s week 1 here.

[high wyvern]

Well unless i do mythic raid, im kinda stuck rn cuz I have mostly hero track gear already. Have to wait for vault for one piece of myth gear

[tribal wharf]

i thought, its going to be one or the other

[chilly brook]

because past a 10 is much harder than just a 10

new affixes

plus both fort and tyran active at 10

[tribal wharf]

never occured to me to use the other ones, we can use the lava ball to clean the floor apparently

[chilly brook]

heroic gear goes all the way up to 626 or 629 iirc

so still like 10ilvl right there

[tribal wharf]

626 sounds right

[chilly brook]

also people were not doing 24s s1 first week

[tribal wharf]

ya, cuz now bout the boss i was saying

i've evolved a new way of thinking about how to do it, to make it easier, making plans of it in head now

[inner wren]

how does the intervene shit work on nw boss 1

u just use it as soon as he starts retching?

[smoky anvil]

The shield? Yeah

[graceful kite]

your target should have intervene buff and be in melee range with you when he finishes his cast

intervene buff lasts for 6 seconds

[sweet summit]

how does the oppressive orator's larynx (CoT trinket) work

do i just use it on cooldown

or

[graceful kite]

horribly

like trash

and I hate that a took it from vault

[sweet summit]

it sims quite high for me

[graceful kite]

same

still fucking trash

[sweet summit]

how come

[graceful kite]

dunno

just hate it

with my whole soul

[sweet summit]

what is there to hate i don't get it?
it's free main stat with a bit of damage no?

[graceful kite]

damage removes stacks

[sweet summit]

right

oh well we'll see how it feels if i ever get it

[graceful kite]

I hate it on fury more that on prot tho

I kind of want to never use it on fury

[sweet summit]

still down bad for something

[edgy bone]

How good is the queen ring for us?

No haste on it

[jagged pier]

well its a ring with an effect vs rings with no effects

[violet ginkgo]

I think the damage is not bad? not sure how big though I haven't see it drop.

[dark dagger]

Anyone has tips for the big packs in Mists? The ones before second boss - i always get shredded no matter if use all CDs. Are we supposed to kite there cause of anima slash? Ilvl 615, playing 9+

[jagged pier]

nope

SR into SW into spell block

repeat

[dark dagger]

Ty 🙂

[vocal verge]

So in a double it’s SR one of them for the first set then wall the 2nd set and then you can SR again?

[dark dagger]

Is there a listfor the high value spell reflect spells in M+?

[kind karma]

Does spell reflect work on infinite horror on zekvir?

[sudden swallow]

Check pins

[graceful kite]

can you feed ulgrax without using action button?

[green python]

Hi guys, at same ilvl which ones I want to play in keys 7-10 and why ? 🙂
Thx ❤️

[graceful kite]

sim

because they give more damage

[green python]

Sim doesn't give me the why :c

[graceful kite]

it literally does

[green python]

It gives me the damage the trinket does
But it not thinking about the fact, taunt trinket gives shield for example

[versed talon]

Can you live? Then use dps trinkets, what one? Sim/ lines up with CDs

[scarlet bloom]

!ui

[green python]

Sim as dungeon slice or target dummy 5 target ?

[sweet summit]

ez 😎

generally just sim single target

boss damage and prio damage is relatively important in both m+ and raid

so it's a fine middle ground

[green python]

Okay thx 🙂

[sweet summit]

dungeon slice apl isn't optimised for prot yet

waiting for someone to fix it

(not me)

(i hope)

[green python]

Will get a try, but the double usable trinket is UH

[sweet summit]

it's playable, just an extra bind is kinda annoying i can agree

[edgy bone]

This is legit the best?

[raven sluice]

see a lot using scarab - it seems quite meh to be, why so popular?

[tawdry herald]

isnt scarab a defensive trinket?

[jagged pier]

@chilly brook

[raven sluice]

by scarab, i mean swarlor'ds

[chilly brook]

Nice

Only 10 I’ve timed is mists

And I already had the portal

[jagged pier]

yer never need to try a NW

have it already

did the same with grimrail last expansion

[tawdry herald]

id sim it but honestly it does seem bad

300k absorb at ilvl 629 according to wowhead, and the scarab damage seems negligible

[lucid bough]

2nd hps in all runs i did

On use is decent

15% to 20% of total heal

And its way higher tahn 300k

[tawdry herald]

it says it just absorbs

or reduces dmg taken until a specific amount is absorbed, aka the same thing

wowhead puts the total absorbed at 303075 with the ilvl slider at 629, youre saying that's incorrect?

[lucid bough]

Its way higher 100%

https://www.wowhead.com/item=212450/swarmlords-authority

This one r?

[edgy bone]

there's no way thixs extra point in shockwave is worth giving up intimidating shout

@strong forum Could you give me some insight into why you give up intimidating shout just for a little stronger of a shockwave utility?

[lucid bough]

Rally 3 min cd 10% hp is thw debatle one on m+

[sharp epoch]

I’ve never raid tanked only m+, but gonna tank heroic for guild this week since other tank and backup are out. If I can tank 10s fine will heroic be easy enough without experience or is it harder

[opal tree]

Even at this super nerfed state I think it’s still pretty good

[jagged pier]

well if u knwo the tank swap yer should be easy

queen will hit hard tho

[opal tree]

Sometimes one second is all that is needed to survive

[cinder marsh]

yo do you still have to have artifact level 5 and read that stone in skyhold to get the LAST BREATH OF THE WORLDBREAKER appearence?

[inner wren]

all the bosses are trivial to tank with queen taking the most effort

on hero anyway

[neon elk]

I would say 2nd is probably next hardest tank wise if u never did it .

Its easy to press taunt when dbm tells you, harder to place laser good, doesnt matter that much if u have overgeared group tho

[pallid quiver]

It's also easy to get your co-tank killed on 3rd boss if you don't know when to taunt

But most of the bosses are fairly trivial if you know when to taunt and how to move

[inner wren]

just download the raid wa that tells you when to taunt on heroic

makes it braindead

[strong forum]

ive not used intim shout once this xpac

no need with shockwave ready every 25sec

[restive oak]

yeah dbm just tells you how to raid

[pallid quiver]

Also, if you tank first on pretty much every boss, the first tank swap is really early on on almost every fight

[pallid quiver]

Int Shout is also target capped, unlike almost every other AOE stop in the game, and it's also a stop instead of an interrupt, which matters with current dungeon design

[restive oak]

queen was the only thing that i felt i had to use defensives even somewhat properly on

[pallid quiver]

I personally still use Int Shout and get use out of it, but I also don't like the bigger slow on the thunder clap range talent

[cinder marsh]

question, in dawnbreaker what should the percent look like before heading to last boss because ik there are a few adds up there.;

[restive oak]

93%

[cinder marsh]

ok ty

[pallid quiver]

I think it's specifically 93.4% or something; only the one add gives any count

[restive oak]

uhh i could get more exact, sec :x

[pallid quiver]

The summoned adds don't give count

93.48%

To be as specific as possible

[dawn rock]

Does anyone know why the guides say that Mountain Thane prefers Champion Spear over Thunderous Roar?

[restive oak]

cuz its better and aoe burst?

[pallid quiver]

Lines up better with Thane damage profile, so it gives more damage over time

[dawn rock]

Is Thunderous Roar a lot worse or something? I don't like how you have to ground target it.

[restive oak]

it wasn't that much worse, but i think the downed the cap a week or 2 ago

[kind urchin]

I just shoot for 94% tbh

[restive oak]

so i think its alot now?

[dawn rock]

What cap?

[pallid quiver]

T Roar has an SL style cap

[dawn rock]

What does that mean?

[restive oak]

it was reduced beyond 8 now its reduced beyond 5

[pallid quiver]

So does reduced damage past x mobs

[strong forum]

guide explains why spear and not roar

[pallid quiver]

When added on to bleeds not always being buffed, spear ends up doing more

[dawn rock]

I did not see that in the Wowhead guide. That is why I'm asking.

[sweet summit]

nah but this trinket kinda owns

[pallid quiver]

It's not like you're mega inting yourself if you pick roar over spear, but it just performs worse in exchange for being fire and forget

[restive oak]

yeah, i wouldnt be mad at you using it, do you

[pallid quiver]

It's on the Hero Talent section of the Wowhead guide, iirc

[dawn rock]

Ah.. thank you!

So that only thing to line up spear with is Ravager?

[sweet summit]

shield charge does too

[pallid quiver]

Avatar will generally end up being active during spear, too, just because of how high its uptime is when playing proiperly

[onyx matrix]

But I hate spear, I hate spear I hate it I hate it

[sweet summit]

nah this new spear is actually playable

[long bone]

895 stamina vs 980 armor (Im talking about the Armor Kits for legs)?!

[strong forum]

we have 470.000 stamina

895 more does LITERALLY nothing

the armor atleast grants a miniscule amount of damage

[long bone]

Aye, keyword miniscule

[pallid quiver]

but the stam gives you extra buffer against magic damage, which prot war can do nothing about, nome!

[restive wigeon]

what are the best embellishments for m+? I see the highest rated has 1x ascension and 1x focusing lens

[pallid quiver]

Threads are best as long as you don't find it fascinating to pick daisies behind you while tanking, which specifically depends on your stat spread

Lens doesn't give much benefit in AOE, only ST

[restive wigeon]

so 2x threads?

[pallid quiver]

Yep; you can stack them, too, but sometimes it doesn't update when first equipping them and says you only have one active

If you run into that, you can just yeet yourself off stairs until below 80%, then heal back up

[restive wigeon]

gotcha thanks

[pallid quiver]

Should also be noted none of them are drastic increases to your performance, so you can sit on them if you're being cheap or something

[violet ginkgo]

cheaper for low lvl leg which will you constantly replace but yeah once hit the heroic track/myth track time to go armor one.

[strong forum]

its less than 0.1% optimisation

[tepid reef]

What would you drop to get roar for ansurek webs?

[strong forum]

to get roar?

[violet ginkgo]

wait roar what roar?

[pallid quiver]

If you're being cheap, I wouldn't even get leg enchants

[strong forum]

for raid you CAN

do this

but it is less dmg overall

if youre colossus, you have both roar talents anyway

[tepid reef]

Ya, we just lost fury warrior for queen,

I'm mountain thane

[pallid quiver]

You can also help your group out by removing yourself from the stack if avatar is available and break your own root

[violet ginkgo]

ansurek web which root you in place? that is not your job though, I mean sure you can help damaging it but it's dps job for sure.

[strong forum]

colossus pwar does extremely good dmg vs webs

cuz demolish -> revenge spam

[violet ginkgo]

Or just spell reflect it.

SR prevent the root

[strong forum]

its not about the rroot for yourself

its about helping

[tepid reef]

kk, i mean im typically like 5th-6th on web dmg in 14, i want to do more with fury war gone

[strong forum]

then colossus goes brrrrr

[tepid reef]

i havent played colossus yet so i want swap mid raid

[strong forum]

then just paly short roar

but it barely helps

[violet ginkgo]

well I mean... as a tank there is so much you can do even with colossus, just do your best Verna but don't really worry about it.

if you feel the root isn't breaking faster mostly won't be because of you.

[cosmic canyon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gq1YhwB487nQm9fy

[jagged pier]

nice blocked hits

[cosmic canyon]

didn't think much of it. Just wanted to share my experiences with itf

[strong forum]

yeah i also ran itf until this week

but i no longer have enough haste

[jagged pier]

well u were claiming u didnt really loose blocktime with itf

yesterday

compared to HR

because u had and 98% uptime

but from this u obviously had gaps

[cosmic canyon]

I was also just yoloing not caring if I was head first most of the time

it was a 9

[jagged pier]

'sure'

[cosmic canyon]

whatever man

[jagged pier]

so your trying to apose our advice in here

and the dat u provide if u going

yer i dont care

once pointed out its not showing what u said

[violet ginkgo]

I need advice related to the gap, may I?

[cosmic canyon]

this week with the weekly 'less recovery' should help you reach the haste you need to maintain sb with itf no?

[austere sleet]

what you guys drop to take intimidating shout?

[strong forum]

doesnt work on SB

[cosmic canyon]

but it is. I just did a quick run to show you that it's viable

[austere sleet]

*disrupting shout

[toxic pewter]

What does the weekly cdr even work on

[mellow quartz]

As example Dorki has abt 36% haste and a sb uptime of around 88-90% i believe from watching him playing ITF.
Big guy before last boss in AK he had a block gab and lost 70% hp in 1 melee hit

[jagged pier]

i never said it wasnt

not once

[cosmic canyon]

you're just trolling and arguing for no reason then

[jagged pier]

i even start by saying u can run it if u want

[cosmic canyon]

Just be constructive please.

[jagged pier]

omg man u were the one saying its better because all the top players are using it

i said it makes u miss blocked hits and makes u squishier

which is all the log shows man

[cosmic canyon]

I would've blocked the very same amount of hits running the alternative to itf mate

[jagged pier]

like u said yesterday u got 98% blocked hits with ITF

then linked uptime