protection

[radiant path]

Which ability is that?

[real fossil]

I’ve shifted completely away from damage towards helping the healer basically

[radiant path]

I see its one that mistveil defender does, but I can't think of the actual ability

[real fossil]

At least in pugs

[tulip oar]

It's called "Expel"

[lucid bough]

they nerfed rage generation...

[tulip oar]

The first boss in NW you can intervene the puke and not stand in the blast.

[radiant path]

Right sorry. I meant is it one of the green circle abilities? Is it noticable?

[radiant path]

Mmmmm, that will make my healer happy. Thanks!

[simple drum]

Yes Mountain Thane is broken now

[radiant path]

Well I'm outta here. Thanks all for the advice!

[tulip oar]

Just means we can't spam ingore pain all day, but that much more damage... damn.

[solid cargo]

I already felt broken playing mountain thane lol

[tulip oar]

They really want Warriors as Prot this expac.

[smoky anvil]

I’m here for it. Friends trying to gaslight me into dps to get into heroic raid. I refuse.

[night oracle]

is mastery really gd for colossus?

[sweet summit]

it's good yeah, all stats are good

[night oracle]

because of the lack of rage gen we rely more on crit blocking more to compensate maybe?

so not as many ignore pain would have to be pressed i guess?

[green bronze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ChdgvGDWArMbN7LH#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=2 managed to get 94.73% blocked hits, but got tilted mid key, could have been a little higher

[trim basin]

can someone help with talent builds? what is the "safest" talent build for pushing +10 keys

i see so many different builds on raider.io

[raven steeple]

Hi hi, I have two questions: All things being equal, but I can only choose one, should I upgrade my sword or board first? (I have two same lvls now, and can make a 12 level higher crafted one, but only one). And also I had a read but couldnt work this out; why does Mountain Thane make taking Champion's Spear better?

[merry sluice]

the safest talent build for pushing +10s is getting a healer duo with a braincell 😭

or a dps with one kick bound at all...

[trim basin]

i got a healer, just want to make it efficient

yoda for example plays like a totally different thane build

[real fossil]

The one with battle scarred veteran instead of ravager and with heavy repercussions

[dry phoenix]

how important is shield ilvl to us?

should it be priortised?

[raven steeple]

from what I understand, its super important, not sure if its more important than wep though 😅

[real fossil]

I still don’t totally get why people play double shield wall instead of the rage+time reduction one

[night oracle]

hahahaa omfg u had me dying my guy

so tru

all the supposely kicking abilities not been pressed by those vast vast M+ enjoyers

[simple drum]

It’s easier to play

[jagged gust]

people make choices, not always good ones

[graceful maple]

excuse f-ing me i just checked the Top1 Heroic Queen log and wanted to check why mine is at 50% - the number 1 prot did over 1million DPS on queen? and in a 9min boostrun too - what i cant even scratch like 900 on sikran

[jagged gust]

it is what it is

[lament prawn]

Guys I don't care about my shield block uptime, I just want to do big fucking damage how do I go about this

[graceful maple]

same actually 😄

i want 1mil dps on queen too

[jagged gust]

play bear

[simple drum]

Play Arms

[lament prawn]

Don't tell me what to do

[simple drum]

Play Arms

[jagged gust]

play arms

[pale badge]

Is anyone else getting a tick of obsidian beam every cast, no matter where they stand?

[dark cosmos]

Because sometimes you need two walls in quick succession, these are just completely different talents timing wise. It's not like we're basing it off a 10 minute how many walls can I use sim, that's not how tanking works

[shut summit]

the initial hit is a tankbuster

[tribal wharf]

if it hit u for liek 5 m its tank buster

[pale badge]

oh so I just gotta get a magic mitigation up

took 10 m in an 11

[shut summit]

yes

[tribal wharf]

somewhat hidden part of that ability

[pale badge]

appreciate ya'll

[muted cape]

anyone have a good weak aura

for prot

[tribal wharf]

use reflect for it

then wall or other dr

[hollow flower]

do sims consider the 33% damage nerf of dd trinkets?

[lone eagle]

Are those new changes reposted hotfixes?

Namely these ones

[lusty grotto]

#updates-midnight message read the title

[jagged gust]

Or the first paragraph

[dark cosmos]

Any good snaps?

[jagged gust]

SC made some stupid change so now it's spamming my notifications lately with shit like "That random chick from the bar just posted a new story"

[neon elk]

Tfw when u tried to understand what has Shield Charge and some random chick from bar in common ..

[wanton oak]

Inexperienced Prot here - stuck at 70-75% max SB uptime

[jagged gust]

when talking to women I always open with shield charge, that way she knows I brought protection

[wanton oak]

Any intermediate rotation tips for increasing that?

[jagged gust]

Press SB and spec in to HR to put it simply

A problem a lot of new tanks have is tracking their SB buff, they'll let it fall off and forget to press SB until their HP starts yoyoing

Find yourself a WA to track the buff and put it somewhere very close to your character so you have a harder time forgetting

[wanton oak]

Ok thank you

[real fossil]

Yeah this seems very dungeon specific and not a great default option for most of the player base /channel

[jagged gust]

And that's why it's not recommended here, because that situation doesn't currently exist

but people make their choices, and some people need their security blankets to feel safe

it's like stacking vers

[south zealot]

the issue with double wall talent is that its just less shield wall uptime

when used correctly

i dont think ppl quite get that

if you understand youre losinf wall uptime, go dor it

[lone eagle]

The breakdown talks about Arms and Fury, for prot I'd expect these to be positive changes as well as the rage nerfs are pretty small and we're drowning in rage generally

Am I right in thinking that?

[winter shard]

Is there a situation we'd take the second node point of Endurance training? I assume pushing hard keys.

[mystic stag]

Was wondering the same thing. Seems like a pretty significant rage nerf to me though

But I’m kinda dumb so idk

[lone eagle]

Defensively we're usually overcap spamming IP anyway just to dump it

[lusty grotto]

its generally a buff

[lone eagle]

Offensively it would slightly impact Seeing Red/AM but I don't think that much

[lusty grotto]

the rage nerf doesnt means much

[lone eagle]

Sick

[lusty grotto]

MT added insane rage gain in this exp

we were already swimming in it in DF which means without it

so its whatever

means nothing

damage buff, so overall buff

[jagged gust]

spending a talent for for 5% stam sounds god awful

[lone eagle]

Yeah that was my take Nim

I feel like current Pwar would roll over DF S1 pwar

Rage gen is NUTS right now

Demo is strong, d stance is strong with minimal downside

Good SRs

Spell Block 30s now

[lone eagle]

Xalatath sent me feet

[dark cosmos]

Your question was 'i don't get why people do this", I said why people do it

[dark cosmos]

😩

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

dont make me get back on the job

[long bronze]

is this enough haste

[south pond]

no

[long bronze]

figures

[round cliff]

need at least 60

[south pond]

if your shield block does not have 6 minutes duration after a 2 minute fight you need more haste.

[long bronze]

real and true

[rigid yew]

Real warriors run 0 haste

[south pond]

real warriors apparently like getting onetap clapped in 13s

[rigid yew]

Sheeeet I'm getting clapped in +7s

I'm still rocking some greens

[round cliff]

well

thats why probably

consider not having greens

[lusty grotto]

just run greys

no armor piece will be able to hold your massive balls if you do

[sharp epoch]

Does shield block have a max duration?

[lusty grotto]

triple its base duration, yes

[pallid quiver]

So 18 base, 24 with enduring defenses

The latter of which you should almost always have

The only time you don't grab it is if you're doing an execute focused build in raid

[edgy bone]

Does binding of binding count as an embellishment or not

[wintry gate]

you guys cant lie, shit looks nice

[neon elk]

That poor E button must have a lot of pressure on it

Also wtf is that f8 and how is it comfy to press ? Mount i guess?

[heady cobalt]

How good/bad is the heal from Siphoning Lightbrand?

[deft mortar]

U don't have engineering combat ress keybinded?

Goes hard to heroic leap on the corpse of my fallen healer and do the warrior ress

[wintry gate]

tbh i have never heard of that

last time i did eng on warrior was in hardcore at lvl 60 with training dummies lmfao

[deft mortar]

I want to make it target nearest player too up next

Becomes rly hard to click

Oh it doesn't require engineering, it's a consumable

Made by them

[wintry gate]

oh shit fr?

[deft mortar]

Yeye makes all those CR tanks utility useless xd

The warrior ress

[inner wren]

ew

[wintry gate]

ui check rn 😠

[ornate thicket]

Its not symmetrical so my ocd hates it. Also consider making your buttons wide-screen ratio instead of same boring normal square that takes up too much real estate

[wintry gate]

can you give me an example of the buttons

[neon elk]

Isnt it like few sec cast?

[deft mortar]

I'd rather cast for a few seconds than risk wiping lol

My healer is a resto druid so if he dies I must cr

[zealous goblet]

i'm not sure how it is in retail

but in classic you can't block/dodge/parry while casting/channeling

so i wonder if brezzing with cables is fucking dangerous

aside from the obvious "not casting other stuff" part

[ornate thicket]

Not on but some screens i had saved

Unfortunately omnicd i haven't found a way to wide ratio but weakauras and elvui you can easily

[deft mortar]

I pop cds usually for it

But also it can I think fail and kill you (it did in Drsgonflight)

I had the embellishment to avoid that tho

Also it's a 2 sec cast so heroic leap and cast it's fats

[deft mortar]

Should be same, otherwise demolish specifically noting that you can is weird

God I miss this

Ignore pain auto applying from dmg done

[inner wren]

what classes u guys reroll now that war is dead?

[neon elk]

Ppal , cant be worse than it was till now so its a win

[stray knoll]

Wait why is prot warr dead

[neon elk]

Is not, its a joke

[dark cosmos]

prot pal #1!!!

[grim vapor]

what are the thoughts on the buffs/nerfs for prot?

[lone hearth]

guys can anyone send me their protection weakaura, also a weakaura or doc that tracks this expansion's spell reflects, I'd appreciate it

[neon elk]

Pins and/or guides has both

Well not sr wa i guess but sheet is there for sure

[hardy snow]

more dmg, less tankiness in thane, more dmg and more tankiness in colossus

but nothing signifcant

[grim vapor]

bet,

im guessing consensus would be stay thane for keys upt +11. Then twelve swap to collosus for the tankiness

[neon elk]

What? Xd

Thane is still tankier than colo

No matter key lvl

Also idk if saying "more dmg less tankiness" is exact , as less rage affects both dmg and tankines .

[warm plinth]

He meant colossus is getting tankier relative to colossus now, not that it's going to be more tanky than thane

[neon elk]

What? Read a message above

[warm plinth]

I was responding to the guy you were responding to?

[lusty grotto]

overall buff to both

whoever was asking about the changes

[neon elk]

I didnt respond to anyone specific cuz iwrote 2 different messages

[neon elk]

But this is what i was talking about

[grim vapor]

moral of the story is stay thane then

thats all i really care about

[neon elk]

No?

W/e

[steel mist]

how are ppl failing simple mechanics on NW

i dont get it

[neon elk]

Cuz they arent people

[warm plinth]

Yes, which I assumed you were responding to, which is also what I responded to

[steel mist]

man the quality of m+ people has fallen

[neon elk]

But colosus is geting tankier isnt same as colosus is tankier than thane , is it ?

Thats a huge difference

[steel mist]

im getting the bottom of the barrel

[inland raft]

11s is the farm key level now

below that much more likely to find people who dont know what their w key is

[warm plinth]

That's what I said: colossus being tankier doesn't mean it's tankier than thane.

[neon elk]

But the person literaly said that and even used specific key lvls where to use what , which is also completly wrong . U can play low or high keys as both its up to you

Like that whole statement was bad and even if that person ment it the other way ( 12s up thane till then colo) its also wrong..

[lusty grotto]

has anyone gotten delve maps from ? zekvir?

i want to spam it for chipadin but delve maps would be solid

[neon elk]

Not sure its even possible to get it there, but then again ive seen 2 maps in total so its maybe just me

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[neon elk]

But last week i did like 5 kills on him and got nothing

[lusty grotto]

i forget the name of it

i just dont wanna do bountifuls

zekvir goes fast

[heavy sparrow]

doing a mythic tank run raid

what potions do I need other than

Algari Healing Potion"
Cavedweller's delight

[lusty grotto]

dont use cavedweller

they share with combat pots

share cd*

[heavy sparrow]

I thought those 2 don't share

[lusty grotto]

algari healing pots dont

cavedwellers do

[heavy sparrow]

I have someone in my group with an AH mount

what should I buy

[lusty grotto]

whatever you need idk

guides have a consumables section

whatever you use for keys

[neon elk]

Hp invis combat not much u can use realy

[lusty grotto]

invis?? you guys dont have 200 DF invis pots?

[quiet zenith]

What invis pots are we using BTW

[neon elk]

Its still invis pot isnt it ?

Cheapest ones u can get

[lusty grotto]

whatevers cheap

which is probably DFs

hushed zephyr

4g each in NA AHs

idk about EU

[neon elk]

Last time they were like 7 iirc

[high wyvern]

Did anyone sim how much increase damage we will have?

[neon elk]

And tww ones were around 20-30 i think

[lusty grotto]

im sure nome will at some point

its probably not huge, but a buff is a buff

[warm plinth]

I'm very confused what you're talking about at this point.

[neon elk]

Its w/e , point was that there were 2 statements and both were wrong

[real echo]

does anyone have issues with intervene macro not working when hovered mouse is hovered over a raid frame?

/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene

[warm plinth]

Kaia seemed to misinterpret Jawor's message as colossus now being tankier than thane

I was attempting to correct that misunderstanding

[lusty grotto]

no, but i dont use target=mouseover i use @mouseover

[real echo]

still doesn't work 😭

[warm plinth]

Yeah other than the macro being character heavy, it should work.

[lusty grotto]

you have intervene twice there

why

[real echo]

ive tried so much syntax

[warm plinth]

Because ;Intervene makes it so it'll intervene his target if he has no friendly mouseover.

[lusty grotto]

just do /cast [@mouseover,help,exists,nodead][] Intervene;

[warm plinth]

It's the same as []

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[neon elk]

Yes , but even then , what she said ( or misunderstood , or even meant ) will be wrong , because even if she tought it correct thane tankier than colo, then the key levels she used would be wrong, u dont play one in that range and this in other ..

[warm plinth]

But it should still work

[lusty grotto]

just add the empty condition

[warm plinth]

Well I assumed that they were using the +12 affix as the cutoff

[lusty grotto]

macros have been fucky

[warm plinth]

of wanting to be tankier

[lusty grotto]

remember when i had a problem with not having empty conditionals

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna give you an empty conditional here in a second

[neon elk]

But even then she would mean that thane 12s and colo up to 11s which is also wrong

[lusty grotto]

elvui is probably to blame but its an easy fix

[warm plinth]

What? This says thane up to 11 and colo after

Which is why I even commented in the first place

[real echo]

this isnt working either 😔 , i don't understand bc this syntax works for a decurse for example but if I plug in intervene it only works if my cursor is over the actual character but not the raid frame

ive never had this issue before

[lusty grotto]

thats certainly strange

are you using base game ui?

[warm plinth]

Question

[neon elk]

Yes , and even if she misunderstood and mean it vice versa it would still be wrong , do u get it ?

[warm plinth]

Do you have other macros that work? Like other mouseovers

I really don't

People are welcome to think that you want to swap to a tankier hero tree when keys gain a jump in difficulty

And some may feel more comfortable doing so

It's not wrong; it's just an opinion

Obviously it wouldn't be a consensus in here though

[neon elk]

Nothing wrong with people wanting to play tankier one in higher keys , but there isnt any reason to not play tankier one in lower keys , so she/he shouldnt advice that

Also thane is pretty much dame dmg than colo wheb played incorectly which tbf most will do

And on top of that opinion isnt consensus ..

[warm plinth]

She wasn't advising that; she was asking if that was the consensus.

I literally just said that sir

[neon elk]

But there isnt any question? Xd

She wasnt asking it, she said it

[warm plinth]

I mean you just ended a sentence with a space and two periods. People don't always type correct syntax.

Like this is the most nitpicky shit ever idk

She said "i'm guessing"

[merry sluice]

honestly with how cringe blizard are

[warm plinth]

Which generally is asking for confirmation of the guess

in this context

[merry sluice]

i would've expected them to make df invis pots not work post 70 lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's weird they didn't

One of the enchants works past 70 too I believe

The boots one iirc?

[neon elk]

W/e , my point stands but we arent geting anywhere

[neon elk]

Boots and chests still works

[lofty warren]

does it though?

does it REALLY?

[real echo]

@lusty grotto it's bc im using m5/m4 keybind, something is wonky with those

[lusty grotto]

i see

[real echo]

but the macro works as you provided

[lusty grotto]

i suppose yours will work too

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah WoW doesn't like those buttons

[plush tendon]

ok... pugs sucks

[warm plinth]

Just use your mouse software to rebind the button to like ; or something

and it should work

[plush tendon]

me and my friend do our first pug 10, we get a couple of deaths on a pull and key is dead apparently?

what is this game?

[carmine rain]

That's how higher keys works these days

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[carmine rain]

People are there for time to get score because most don't need the loot.

[lusty grotto]

i mean it happened in DF, the only difference now is that it happens sooner because of the 15s shit

instead of in 17s, it happens in 10s

[carmine rain]

Yeah basically

[neon elk]

Tag it as weekly run, so people that need score wont join and those who need vault will stay

[plush tendon]

bru

[toxic pewter]

I kinda like how it costs 15 seconds per death makes the stakes higher and if a group doesn’t have what it takes it ends the run more efficiently

[plush tendon]

a death of two here or there doesnt make the key untimable

[neon elk]

Ofc it doesnt, but are u going to explain that to some randoms?

[plush tendon]

naw, they are cringe

[neon elk]

Ive timed 10s with ~10deaths

[plush tendon]

im just dumbstruck

[spiral ridge]

anyone have that meme that was sent about the learning curve for m+ i keep telling mates about it. how it was a straight line for the 1-20 system now it has spikes

[fossil glade]

im sure this may have been answered already but whats the better spec between colossus/MT or is it just play style preference?

[quiet zenith]

In what content and which difficult

[fossil glade]

heroic raiding and mythic + thats 10 or higher

[tawdry herald]

i havent even tried colossus

[toxic pewter]

I’ve been having a lot of fun with colossus in heroic raids

[tawdry herald]

MT just feels way too good

also heroic raiding is a joke compared to keys right now

[toxic pewter]

Yeah not sure I feel comfortable enough to play colossus in like 10s right now. Maybe soon may try though

[tawdry herald]

you can play whatever you want but you want MT in high keys, i think its a lot more durable

id rather walk into a heroic clear at 580gs than try to time a 10 key at 620 ilvl

the latter is noticeably difficult and the other is nowhere close

[deft mortar]

failed to time a NW 10

got blame from healer saying I didn't pull enough packs together

I am doing 1M overall dps

[tawdry herald]

yeah dont you know youre supposed to chain pull the gatekeeper and double pull the marauder and miniboss?

🙄

people get on the internet and become subhuman i swear

[neon elk]

Would be curious what other dps looked like or how many deaths there were if u had 1m as tank and still didnt time

[deft mortar]

They already died 11 times to rando mechanics before my first death on a trach pack before the 3rd boss

and that happened after some1 pulled another pack from impatience

[neon elk]

Yea thats probably it ..

[tawdry herald]

i'm a firm believer in blacklist addons

[marsh otter]

blizzard really buffed pala tank damage

and reduced ours

pala already does a lot of damage

[deft mortar]

Pala also doesn't have the resource trade-off between survivability and dmg

I mean I guess Thane players don't have that

More avengers shield = more aborb

absorb*

[neon elk]

Yea but pala has a talents tradeoff

[scarlet stone]

Last CoT 11 I basically had a balance druid dead 50% of the run and we timed it lol. 7 deaths in 15 minutes then another 3 by last boss.

[deft mortar]

true

[neon elk]

He can either live or do good dmg

[deft mortar]

I love how one of our class talents is just like

Here's 5k strength

its form your armor

Wonder what % dmg increase that is

[neon elk]

Simmable i believe

[lofty warren]

OMG

[neon elk]

Or ? Is it crucial to get lower ?

Not sure

[lofty warren]

why the fck we get nerfed

[hexed fox]

You know why.

[neon elk]

Nvm u need it for spear

[deft mortar]

seems like just rage nerf

sucks but not like

(tbf i didnt use LS generates rage talent anyway)

ik everyone does

[lofty warren]

how much of a nerf is this

aka is pwar dead?

[deft mortar]

no wtf

[neon elk]

Its either nothing or slight buff for thane*

[plush tendon]

yea, prot war is dead

reroll prot pal

[lofty warren]

how is it a buff

[remote frost]

dmg buff

[neon elk]

They are buffing dmg ?

[lofty warren]

ohh but they are also mega nerfing it too?

[neon elk]

U loose some dmg on rage gen u gain some on raw dmg buff

[lofty warren]

Mountain Thane: Thunder Blast generates 8 Rage (was 10).

this is like a 20% nerf

[neon elk]

20% on one spell

U using only TB to get rage or what?

[violet ginkgo]

oof I just read the updates so we got some rage reduction on MT, but extra damage.

[sonic crown]

quick question on mists

the pack before the second boss

TRUCKKKKK

can someone explain them?

[rugged sable]

they do big dam

[tawdry herald]

spell reflect Anima Slash

press Spell Block

youre welcome

[violet ginkgo]

spell reflect anima slash, the other anima spell block it

[rugged sable]

It's a wicked quick cast, so try to have spell CD on nameplate or a reflect WA for it

[sonic crown]

so spell block

well fuck them?

[tawdry herald]

it will prevent you from getting fucked

if you manage to reflect a slash it does a decent chunk of their HP

[small comet]

What iLvL do yall think is needed for m+ I’m getting from +4s at 608

[tawdry herald]

similar to reflecting Shadowflame Slash from the Flamerenders in grim batol, but their ability is much stronger

[rugged sable]

590 for anything up to 7

[tawdry herald]

i was running 7s at 580

[neon elk]

Only shame they are always desinced

[small comet]

I guess people are just picky it’s crazy

[tawdry herald]

prot warr is very strong and with proper CD usage you should have 0 issues in anything below a 7

[violet ginkgo]

@rugged sable and @tawdry herald I think he mean about if pugging, ppl just don't want to accept 590 to 7

[tawdry herald]

fair

i wouldnt either

[neon elk]

I wouldnt either tbf

[remote frost]

if you have "decent" score for the key level people dont care about tank ilvl

[violet ginkgo]

he asked what ilvl to be on +7 comfortably aka you don't have to get rejected too much

[rugged sable]

pugging it's always get as high as possible as their usually is a few with 610+ now

[tawdry herald]

"needed" to me means "what do i need to tank this successfully"

if youre asking what you need to get invited

[rugged sable]

Should easily now be able to get to 606 with delves and upgrading.

[tawdry herald]

just depends on whose key youre applying to

[violet ginkgo]

ok so +7.... what ilvl and what rating?

on average

[tawdry herald]

if you got a late start you probably wont have any luck in 7s below 610 and ~2k io

people are picky

and everyone has more gear than you

[stone moat]

tbf as they would be

[tawdry herald]

run your own key and make friends

[small comet]

I need to start getting people added

[tawdry herald]

WoW is a social game and requires socializing if you want to grease your experience and get the most out of it

make friends, run keys with them

join a guild

[neon elk]

Go to goldshire spend gold on hoes

Or not that kind of socializing ?

[remote frost]

just queue for 5's / 6's and get your score up IF you already have everything on 4 IF NOT play your own key as high as you can people will join since you are a tank anyway.

just accept that you wont go from timed 4's and 3's to getting invited into 7's and 8's

[heavy sparrow]

hey big chad sexys

what tips do you guys have for Ulgarx mythic

[lofty warren]

is this a dead key?

im only 615 ilvl

[stone moat]

no?

[urban portal]

too much

that talent should not exist

[tawdry herald]

you will need to rotate wall+reflect and a healer external+reflect for the 1st boss for every beam

2nd boss will need the same for every tankbuster

rashanan is basically just a healer fight

should be doable at 615 but youre gonna get chunked, make sure you know how to press impending victory

make sure you have spell block for the trash pulls in the courtyard, and i recommend disrupting shout if you dont talent it already

[deft mortar]

It's ez dungeon

Just get more defensive talent if worry about dying

[tawdry herald]

the default m+ build takes pretty much every defensive talent already

[deft mortar]

Idk tho I got 11M hp

Cruising through mechanics

[tawdry herald]

i dropped shield charge for bolster and disrupting, never going back. 2 min LS with 20 seconds of shield block is just too good.

[deft mortar]

Tbf whenever we can opt for more dmg means we should just tank higher keys lol

[tawdry herald]

i just wish there were more defensive options in our class tree

[deft mortar]

Spell Block feels so bad

It's so awkwad

[tawdry herald]

i wouldnt say that

33% uptime

[deft mortar]

30 sec every 90 sec is weird

[tawdry herald]

i just keep a good tracker for it

[deft mortar]

I mean pack would last 30 sec anyway

[tawdry herald]

pop it on caster packs like you pop wall

by the time you notice its gone the mobs are dead

i dont even think about it anymore and just press the button on cd on pull

[violet ginkgo]

30 secs is good though I mean rarely we see defensive that is powerfull and last 30 secs

[vapid relic]

does this update help grind down web terror on zekvir ??

[zealous goblet]

problem, my healer friend pleaded for me to go BSV, so i went BSV and bolster and while i really don't care about BSV bolster is really feeling better than sex so what do i do

i hit like 36 seconds of shield block left and my dopamine receptors wouldnt stop firing off

do i take the point out of BSV and put it in like, storm of steel or some shit or just keep running bsv?

[zealous goblet]

wym by this

grind down web terror?

[merry sluice]

yes

adds are way easier top kill solo

[vapid relic]

nm ill just test it myself

[tawdry herald]

you make it sound like you cant drop BSV and keep bolster

im having trouble understanding why you would ever drop below 30% as the tank

[zealous goblet]

hm? not sure if i mistyped, hang on

i bit further down i ask if i should just take the point out of bsv and put it elsewhere, maybe storm of steel or some shit

a bit further down*

[tawdry herald]

there are likely a few high value talents youre not running if your choices are BSV and storm of steel

share your prot tree

[zealous goblet]

brother i'm saying i'd like to keep bolster

and drop bsv

[tawdry herald]

i have never run BSV and ive been timing 11s

why does your friend think you need it

[zealous goblet]

i feel like there's a serious miscommunication going on, i'm saying it felt so fucking good to see my shield block duration go so far up

and also idk

[tawdry herald]

you literally asked if you should drop BSV

yes

whats the issue

[inland raft]

Theres nothing wrong with bsv but theres better ways to spend that point

[zealous goblet]

there is no issue chief

[tawdry herald]

well you asked for advice on where you should put that point

[zealous goblet]

just a misunderstanding

[tawdry herald]

im asking you to share your tree so we can give said advice

if youre thinking about putting it in storm of steel, that's also a poor choice

but u do u

[zealous goblet]

im in a league game

sorry bro

[tawdry herald]

all g

[quasi pivot]

Anyone else notice that if you take the 5% SR/Pummel CDR talent you can spell reflect every anima slash, but if you don't you just miss every 2nd one?

I think that talent is criminaly underrated

[tawdry herald]

i havent even tried that

it would work for the timing on shadowflame slash too then, those are the same

fuck im switching right now

[quasi pivot]

The amount of times I've wanted to SR something and it's 1-2s left on CD kills my inside

[tawdry herald]

what did you drop for it

[quasi pivot]

This is what I run for m+

[inner wren]

which talent is that

[quasi pivot]

Honed Reflexes,

I sub it out for Second Wind when doing world content

[inner wren]

o i always take that one

its pretty goated

[tawdry herald]

the default build takes sidearm, that looks like the only difference

[quasi pivot]

Probably swap bounding stride out for M+ too.

[tawdry herald]

i havent even looked at sidearm damage to see if its worth

[quasi pivot]

I seen sidearm was so low on % damage that I just dropped it for utility

[inner wren]

yea i should really dump bounding

lord knows i aint got hotkeys left for stormbolt tho

[quasi pivot]

Crackling Thunder is also a swapable one, I just like the extra range on it for spread out packs

I have Pummel on R, Spell reflect on Shift+R, and Storm bolt in Ctrl+R

So anything interrupt/reflect centric shares a common key

Pummel uses a focus macro, and SB uses an on-hover macro, for things like bolting the Freeze tag mob in mists etc

[quiet zenith]

guys is it worth to drop enduring alacrity for bolster? starting with +12s

[violet ginkgo]

I don't think so? I mean that is extra armor and health and haste that is always on

[tawdry herald]

i was advised to drop shield charge since its the most flexible 2 points we have

i honestly havent missed it at all

bolster + disrupting not being in the default m+ build is tragic, they feel almost necessary in high keys if you pug

the aoe interrupt just trivializes any difficult caster pulls

i feel like my biggest weakness is stacking pulls when you need multiple ranged interrupts and this just covers it completely in 1 convenient cooldown

[inner wren]

no shield charge is so sad

it's so convenient

but disrupting is really nice

[merry sluice]

okay okay

cross account portals are hilarious

[tawdry herald]

it just feels like dropping a fun talent for necessary ones imo

[merry sluice]

went on an alt and into a shitter +2 .
Got called a hacker for suddenly appearing in front of the dungeon by someone trying to summon me

lmfaO

[tawdry herald]

[inner wren]

the free shield block on entry and the big rage is so nice tho

[tawdry herald]

i have a pretty standard opener so i dont miss it

charge + avatar/demo/clap + block

the rage is nice but you dont strictly need it, it just helps stack IP faster

[inner wren]

maybe i'll mess with it

there are many instances where i wish i had disrupting

[quiet zenith]

any good explaing why roar over spear?

[devout basalt]

For raid?

[quiet zenith]

m+ sry

[devout basalt]

Spear for m+

Thane gets more from the crit bonus iirc

[quiet zenith]

oke so not the rage generation for higherkeys like +12

[trim island]

I go roar because Im an idiot and aiming is for chumps

[tawdry herald]

just put it on a @cursor macro so you can cuss and scream when you place it on a wall or ceiling

[dawn sapphire]

Or put it in a @player macro

[devout basalt]

You'd have to be standing on top of everything for that

Wouldn't recommend

[quiet zenith]

Rly feel mous cursor macro is the best for spear

[cosmic stream]

whens prot getting nerfed

[round cliff]

how much dmg reduction is vulpera racial anyways considering making a vulpera resto shaman

[quiet zenith]

Get straight out of here pffd

[jagged pier]

Brann inturpts and/or u literally dont press avatar until u get a spit.

[charred ivy]

what trinkets u guys use for m+? i see skarmorak shard is high in more targets . and many ppl talk about arakara trinket

[wary karma]

What's haste % for 100% shield block uptime?

[tame locust]

Will the upcoming nerfs to Thorims Might change the talent choice? Doubt it, but maybe somebody here already did some calcs

Don't quite understand why VDH is getting buffed and prot warrior nerfed though

[candid yacht]

Sitting at 24 here and I don’t have an issue keeping it up 😉

[jagged pier]

We dont work in uptime we work in blocked hits but its achieveable now with any % haste with the correct talents, with certain other talents u need 67%

[wary karma]

Oh, I was talking moreso for M+ than raid, I'm not at all worried about raid uptime. I just wasn't sure if there was a breakpoint where Into the Fray was gonna be a swap to make

[jagged pier]

So am i

[jagged pier]

35-40% unbuffed

[tame locust]

Wasn't the breakpoint in DF 35/40%?

Ye

[candid yacht]

Any of yall get gripped at by rogues for not letting them stealth lol I wish I could make a WA to ping when rogue is in stealth vs having to look for the frail undead character

[jagged pier]

They loose a lot of damage for it

[tame locust]

We aren't close to 35-40% haste yet without basically dumping all other sec stats

[jagged pier]

U basically dont chain pull

[tame locust]

^

[jagged pier]

Gice them 2 seconds to restealth if they dont thats on them

[tame locust]

Or omnicd to track their vanish

[candid yacht]

I didn’t think Omni cd

[tame locust]

That's why some pug rogues such as Zerocool go for double vanish even though it's technically worse

[wary karma]

That sounds a lot more like a later in the expansion thing than it does a current thing. Sounds like I'll be sticking with repercussions for now! Thanks!

[tame locust]

Also as warrior you want the rogue to stealth cause assa rogues can silence mobs out of stealth for 6 seconds

Since you don't have any pull ins, that can make larger pulls incredibly comfy

[candid yacht]

Ty Ty

[tame locust]

It can be annoying at first though, omnicd or communication with your rogue is important

Cause assa rogues can be extremely strong but if you don't know when you could chain pull, then you can also lose some serious time

[icy flax]

got 2k io at 600 ilvl

[fallow fern]

Trying to decide what stats to put on my crafted bracers... crit/haste sims slightly highes dps.. but not sure.. currently at 10,465 Crit, 10,633 Haste, 1,988 Mast, and 6,241 Vers... what are you guys doing?

[blazing dawn]

Does anybody have a good prot war log for Mythic Rashanan as far as cd usage/ignore pain and shield block? Our tank war is having some problems living it. Based on my xp war tanking in heroic and m+ it looks like he isn't managing his ignore pain and other cds well. He's dumping a lot of rage into revenge and isn't boosting IP before the ads spawn. I'd like to be able to go through and point out some specific stuff to focus on. Here are our logs from tonight. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bQ7vH3mzZNJAD2BL#boss=2918&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=deaths

[plush tendon]

im sorry... what?

Prot War on Rash is just stonks

[jagged pier]

Stats after haste dont matter pick what u like, but apart from haste there no certain % of any stat we really care sbout

Includes smallies but still

[plush tendon]

if hes dying, he shouldnt be playing ITF and massacre

like, wtf dude

[hoary pivot]

https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?t=2287&si=gmuPtg98PDtqqWse timestamp relevant

[jagged pier]

Not even blocking every svaage assault

No wonder it hurts

That deals unmitigated damage to the tank in the wound dont it?

Thane and not playing spear

[urban portal]

wait what

[hoary pivot]

TL;DR: not chaining to let the assa rogue restealth not worth it according to assa guide author

[plush tendon]

yea... this is simple case of the dude playing the spec wrong

at least the fix is easy

[jagged pier]

Way to much revenge instead of tc for thane

[jagged pier]

Thats a dot

Thats not melees

[urban portal]

oh

yeah

i looked athe wrong thing

[jagged pier]

Uses SW once in a 3 min pull here

Demo 3 times

Push your buttons brother

[merry sluice]

i have to watch more than 30 seconds of that video. this is 2024, attention spans don't last without a fmaily guy clip on one side, and very bad subway surfers gameplay on the other

[plush tendon]

in fairness, hes not playing Thunderlords

45 second cd

with the move

[jagged pier]

Yer so 4 thrn

It should be

[plush tendon]

unless lining it with adds

[jagged pier]

Hes under using everything some check the sheet

Anything spell blockable ither

Cause he aint pressing spell block at all

[blazing dawn]

He wasn't talented into it for most of the night

[plush tendon]

also no punish

he needs to drop his execute talents

[blazing dawn]

I know enough to know that he's doing a ton wrong, what I need is what can I do to get him to do it right

[plush tendon]

tell him if he cant live, you need to find other options at tank

[jagged pier]

Well i suggest he doesnt run this cooked build or the actual execute build until he understands the class and the fight and how to mitigate and manage cds correctly

[plush tendon]

like, im sorry

but thats the truth

[blazing dawn]

Yes I've looked at his spec and immediately recognized the issues lo

l

[jagged pier]

Change talents, he needs to mitigate stuff properly with proper talents that might help

But he still needs to play correctly woth them

[blazing dawn]

What does spell block work on for that boss?

[jagged pier]

I asked someone to check

[plush tendon]

your tank cant be the 2nd most dead person

[jagged pier]

Literally on the big tank mechanics

Cause its phys and magic

[graceful kite]

Pinned spreadsheet

[blazing dawn]

dope

[jagged pier]

I mean giving him this info wont fix it evern giving him the correct talents wont fix cause i doubt he'll play correctly under the guidance

63cpm

[graceful kite]

If he just presses everything it might help

[plush tendon]

the advice

1. drop the execute talents

2. press buttons

[graceful kite]

I dont think execute talents matter a lot

[jagged pier]

Just give him the tbane punish build from wowhead for raid as he should really be running that for prog

[plush tendon]

hes dying on Rash

[jagged pier]

It does on rasha if u going for damage

[graceful kite]

Problem is not using cooldowns and literally not blocking

[jagged pier]

But he shouldnt ve going for damage

[plush tendon]

and no punish

not keeping Shield block up

he just needs to play basics and stay alive

[jagged pier]

Looks to me like he doesnt understand the fundimentals enough to be going for dps builds

[graceful kite]

As in core gameplay problems

[plush tendon]

whatever it takes for him not to be floorpov

[blazing dawn]

What cooldown can you effectively get shield wall down with the 6 second decrease from using shield bash?

[summer flax]

there are two wolves inside of me, one loves tanking, other one hates learning routes hhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrr

[jagged pier]

With proper play around 40-50secs

[jagged pier]

Just press w

Will cover u for a very long time

[round pendant]

Jakey

How long have you been playing wow?

[jagged pier]

Since the beginning 👴

[round pendant]

Your name + how you speak reminds me of someone I met in a guild on Azsune back in cata

was a fury warrior main

[jagged pier]

Wouldnt have been me

[round pendant]

damn imagine

[jagged pier]

Id rather not

[round pendant]

what do you mean D:

We could have rekindled a beautiful friendship

[jagged pier]

[dusky narwhal]

Hi guys.
Im not very experienced tank, so im struggling to tank Queen Ansurek on Heroic in 1st phase. Usually when another tank pulls the boss, after he gets [Liquefy], I taunt and immediately use [Shield Wall] and [Last Stand] to mitigate the incoming [Feast] damage and healing absorb.
So next, right before the upcoming [Liquefy], I should use my [Spell Block] to mitigate most of nature damage from that ability, and the other tank should do the same as I did before.
Am I thinking correctly, or am I making a mistake with my action sequence? Because I usually die right before or after the second switch of tanks, but the other tank seems to be in perfect shape. Of course there could be some gear and build issues, but putting that aside and just looking at the actions, is this the right approach?

[summer flax]

ask for external if you have no cds left

[blazing condor]

nice emoji

bro dead in the snow

[merry sluice]

[jagged pier]

Its ash from the burning nelth did in cata

[blazing condor]

[round cliff]

orc good shaman but vulpera funny totems

conflicted

[jagged pier]

Vulp

For the memes

[round cliff]

maybe orc just cuz they look good in armor compared to the smol races

[teal laurel]

Whats your ilvl tanking it? It kinda sounds like you're eating liquify + feast and the other tank is like "lol full hp"

[neat parrot]

so 1 question are the buffs on colossus enough to make it better in m+ than Thane is ? or thane will still be the go to

[dusky narwhal]

I don't think the other tank is slacking because he's killed this boss before and most likely knows what to do.
I have 612ilvl.

[teal laurel]

I just cant imagine you popping active mitigation and getting deleted from a liquify at 612. It'll still hurt but it shouldn't evaporate you

Do you have logs? You can easily see what killed you

I suspect it's something less obvious outside of the other tank getting you killed.

Standing in pool? etc

The other thing is maybe you're just not mitigating enough. Demo shout, spell reflect is another 25%

[icy flax]

Colossus already swaggy though

I press demolish

[teal laurel]

I wildly dont understand warcraftlogs as prot

[teal laurel]

Is this implying there's prot warriors out there doing 600-700k dps reliably or some nonsense

[icy flax]

Look at the big number

[icy flax]

All padding on whatever they can

[teal laurel]

So if I'm not actively padding I guess I shouldn't give af lol

[icy flax]

In relation to demolish; just saving every CD for adds

[molten gorge]

In raid or what?

[teal laurel]

That's a m9 ara for example

[icy flax]

Oh

[molten gorge]

Then yes people do a lot more in m+

[icy flax]

Mythic+ is not padding

You're damage is stinky rn

Let's get that number up

[teal laurel]

I have no idea how if I'm deadass

[icy flax]

That's fine

[teal laurel]

e.g. shield slam is never sitting off cooldown/etc

[molten gorge]

Link the log, will help

[teal laurel]

I just can't really spot the active problem

one sec

[icy flax]

Ppl in here can review your logs to help a lot( I can't) but the biggest thing I can tell you and other ppl will is if you aren't pressing a button you're not doing enough

Are u pressing ignore pain when you're at full HP and not actively dying for example when u could revenge

[molten gorge]

Just for comparison of Ara-Kara's over the weeks

Could be your ilvl too tbf

[teal laurel]

There might be some of that. If I had to guess the obvious I'm overusing ignore pain

[icy flax]

Boss dying speed can also influence dps overall but now I'm just being nitpicky

[teal laurel]

No I'm 99% sure it's a me issue lol

[icy flax]

Avg person in an 11 could be twice as good as ppl in a 9

[teal laurel]

617 atm.

[molten gorge]

I doubt it's ignore pain personally, I favour it over revenge often

[south zealot]

yes

[icy flax]

I was doing 100k-200k more dps than you at 595 ivl but that's dungeon dependant

[south zealot]

should be doing 1m on details every key

if you’re decently geared

[icy flax]

False

[jagged pier]

How did choco get a streamer tag

[south zealot]

620+

[icy flax]

You're not the average player

[molten gorge]

Details is wildly inflated I feel

[icy flax]

This guy is doing 400k at 617 he has way more to learn than lol just do 1m overall

[south zealot]

im the best colossus m+ warrior streamer west of the rocky mountains

[jagged pier]

[south zealot]

i havent streamed any keys in a bit though just raid work raid work

[molten gorge]

Idk where people get 1mil from, I'm like rank 50+ on some keys, and I don't think my details says 1mil tbh (but maybe I'm just not looking)

[icy flax]

He's spouting nonsense

[teal laurel]

It's defs a me issue lmao

e.g.

This is that ara

[ionic adder]

1m overall ??

[south zealot]

can you link this log

[teal laurel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tyzjg9BQWYcCHLfF#fight=3&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24243962254.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24243962254.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240&source=554

[icy flax]

Me when I exclusively play with 2700 io ppl that do every pack perfectly

[teal laurel]

I suspect I'm misusing rage

[molten gorge]

So

I have a very similar length Ara

[icy flax]

At the quickest glance you're not pressing buttons

[molten gorge]

Yes

50s faster on mine and I have 40 more Thunderblasts

[tawdry cloak]

Press avatar on CD

[teal laurel]

my shield slam and thunderclap keys are literally falling off my keyboard from use I dunno LOL

[south zealot]

wasnt trying to hit a nerve my fault

[icy flax]

I have like 120+ casts on every offensive ability you pressed

[molten gorge]

80 more shield slams

[icy flax]

I also lashed out sorry 😔

[teal laurel]

Maybe it's a haste thing? I feel like my haste is kinda shit

[icy flax]

I promise you

You aren't pressing enough

[icy flax]

Are you pressing ignore pain as if it's on the global cooldown?

[south zealot]

hit more abilities

even as colossus your shield slam should never higher

as thane it should be SIGNIFICANTLY higher than revege

revenge

[ionic adder]

What to do if my phalanx hurt from too much spam

[brazen raptor]

can someone need weakaura on spell reflect alert? so i know what and when i should use it??

[teal laurel]

I have ignore pain on mwdown on a macro that'll shield slam in stead if it's avail

[icy flax]

I can't speak on that as the concept of using mouse wheel as a key shuts my brain down

But I also press like 60% of my buttons with shift and I hit shift with my left thumb

[teal laurel]

mwup shield block mwdown ignore pain 😂

[icy flax]

That sounds so awful

[molten gorge]

Avatar usage looks low also

I had 31 you had 21

In the same time

[teal laurel]

I tried it when Kwazii (spelling?) suggested it on a YT vid and It just stuck

[icy flax]

Quazii also man I love that guy but that's gross

[south zealot]

damn i dont even have any good thane logs

ive only played colossus

[icy flax]

I need to log my keys 😔

[icy flax]

If you have an ability up hit it

Whatever it is

If it's a cooldown hit it

[gritty eagle]

did quazzi suggest ignore pain macro keybound to mwheel down? 😄

[icy flax]

If it's shield wall in a pack hit it and then just do damage

[teal laurel]

So takeaway is try and keep avatar off cooldown more and shield slam more. Could this be a function of haste? I'm only at like 20%

[icy flax]

What is teach me

[south zealot]

no idea

[gritty eagle]

@teal laurel thunderblast/clap more

[icy flax]

Stop over thinking kt

[south zealot]

15cpm should be your goal for shield slam

[icy flax]

Genuinely my man just hit the buttons

[south zealot]

use it whenever you can always

its so good

[icy flax]

Never think about it

[molten gorge]

No clue, 33% less casts seems a lot even for haste

[south zealot]

dont overcap rage, use shield slam whenever possible

[teal laurel]

Lol I suppose. It's less that I'm overthinking and more just having shield slam/tclap on Q/E and I mash those like they owe me money every fight

[icy flax]

Put pain on e

That's literally my keybind for it

[molten gorge]

Do not put pain on E

[icy flax]

?

[molten gorge]

A mouse bind is perfect

It's off the gcd

[molten gorge]

You want to be able to press it simultaneously

[icy flax]

I'm very biased

[molten gorge]

Tryna press 2 keyboard buttons at once

[icy flax]

Yea? I can hit E and any other ability in the same global

[molten gorge]

Not optimal

[teal laurel]

My tanking is mwup/mwdwn + q/e spam lol

[icy flax]

That makes you sound like an npx

[south zealot]

i have iPhone on x

[icy flax]

Npx

NPC fuck

[south zealot]

ip not iphone

lmao

[icy flax]

No wonder u don't deal dmg

[molten gorge]

Hahaha

[icy flax]

In a super casual guild I know they have a ppal that does that and he does about 80k st when they do raid

He genuinely just hits 1-4 with all his fingers at all times

[molten gorge]

Ya because they're all too close together to hit optimally

You don't want to use the same finger in succession to hit two back to back spells ideally

Like you wouldn't want to press E and R in a row with your index finger, because it's slower than say E > V

Etc

[dusky narwhal]

It is quite difficult to determine the exact cause of death from the logs, because even though you were killed by [such-and-such spell], you still have to take into account all the buffs and debuffs, whether another tank was taunting before it, and so on. But as I noticed, I often got killed by melee attacks after [Liquify].
But I'm more interested in whether I have the right approach. If it's not a problem, I'll just try again and pay more attention to the details.
Anyway, thanks for the advice and comments ❤️

[teal laurel]

me about to bind avatar to literally every key I swear

[molten gorge]

😂

It might be worth making a sound WA for it to prompt you

I did that with defensive because I was under-using

Now I don't need the sound

[icy flax]

I get where you're coming from but this is a non issue for me personally

I'll make sure I log a key tmrw so I can see my cpm 🖥️

[molten gorge]

Big spider hands

[icy flax]

Not even

[molten gorge]

Just dancing over the keyboard

Hahhaa

[zealous goblet]

why do you care about children per minute

[void wadi]

yoyo guys

[icy flax]

No reason ..

[void wadi]

how to gear my 560 ilvl prot warrior fast?

[molten gorge]

Toxic but I hope it's a green log for the memes

[zealous goblet]

make a 590 weapon, buy a 400g 577 darkmoon deck, do delves

[icy flax]

Do mythic 0s and press every button you have to avoid ending up stinky

[icy flax]

100% fair hope I don't blame u

[molten gorge]

Hahaha

[zealous goblet]

bountiful delves if you have the keys are good as hell

[void wadi]

should i do delves as group or solo?

[zealous goblet]

send it solo

[void wadi]

560 can solo t8?

[icy flax]

I would skip delves asap

[zealous goblet]

there's a small learning curve

[icy flax]

Tea has done 9s on vdh

[void wadi]

huh skip delves for what

what about my gear

lol

[icy flax]

Jump straight into mythic 0s

[teal laurel]

I found the problem and you're gonna think I have brain damage

[icy flax]

Id also like to know

[molten gorge]

I'm so excited

[teal laurel]

Spot the problem

I had my dysfunctional crappy macro in use when it wasn't supposed to be lol

So in moments where I'm not mouse-hovering it wont fire the shield slam

[icy flax]

Now what if u just pressed shield slam Normally

[molten gorge]

Ngl, macro aside, odd choice to macro on use into shield slam and not avatar

Imo

[potent herald]

Guys I got a question re war within and upgrade system

So im a prot warrior at current and lets say I spend 90 gilded crests to craft my 636 shield.
Does that then enable me to upgrade my 2h weapon slot for fury to 636?

[teal laurel]

I found this because I was planning on just slapping avatar on shield slam lol

[molten gorge]

If you do 1h and shield, yes

[molten gorge]

😂

[potent herald]

so I have to spend 180

wtfv

IF i just do the fury 2h

[teal laurel]

Functionally it should be the same but because I require my mouse over a target for it to fire with this macro. In moments where I'm not doing that my Q/E spam wasn't working and I was too potato to realize

[potent herald]

ddoes that then let me upgrade 2 x 2h to 636

[molten gorge]

I don't think so no

Cause they're separate slots

Same with rings

[icy flax]

I need to clarify I am a giant hater of how you play and believe it's directly leading to the 400k overall mindless pressing buttons and scrolling ur mouse wheel with weird ass macros

Forgive me that's just my honesty

[potent herald]

same with trinkets too right?

[molten gorge]

I don't think I have a single mouse over macro outside of intervene on my warrior

Tryna think

[icy flax]

They removed any item slots shenanigans in TWW @potent herald

[potent herald]

yeah

[teal laurel]

You make it sound like I'm just spinning my mousewheel up and down rapid fire. The Q/E mashing sure hapens but not what you think, I think lol

[wintry gate]

holy time to take a break
ilvl 571 in 20hrs playtime lvl 80

[icy flax]

Beast

[void wadi]

ok imma make delves group

[icy flax]

What is on q and e

[molten gorge]

Got one of those unlocked scroll wheels, and just set it spinning from dungeon enter

[potent herald]

so if u upgrade sheild

[void wadi]

and invite 600 ilvl guys to carry me in delves

lol

[potent herald]

it upgrades off hand wep

[void wadi]

hopefully i wont die at 560 ilvl

[icy flax]

Why are u not doing keys

[void wadi]

because delves give 100% drop

keys are meh below +7

[icy flax]

Put ignore pain on E and this will solve so many problems

[molten gorge]

[icy flax]

But u have a lot to begin with

[teal laurel]

Are you coming at this from a "ease of pressing" perspective? e.g. hand position

[wintry gate]

my q and e are on the bottom

[molten gorge]

Don't listen to this man, I promise your keybinds are fine

[slim pier]

JA CLAPPA

[teal laurel]

I was asking about the hand position thing because my mouse is on the left of my kb and I use wasd territory with my right hand 😂

[molten gorge]

Like look at this bricked setup

He needs to press IP and Thunderclap/blast at the same time

Panic ensues

[wintry gate]

middle finger on 3 first finger on e

[molten gorge]

Terrible

[wintry gate]

I bet I pump harder then you do ngl

[molten gorge]

How are you moving

[molten gorge]

We can take that Pepsi challenge if you want

If I'm ahead tho, it's not a good look, I'm fresh back from a break since SL Season 1, I've not played Warrior since Wrath and I have never tanked in retail in my life until now

[wintry gate]

i just hit lvl 80 today with warrior i got 5 lvl 80s lol

[molten gorge]

Then why you talking, we can't even compare 😭

[wintry gate]

i was maining guardian druid ilvl 615** 2200 mythic io but guardian druid is so fucking boring

[molten gorge]

2200? Lol

[icy flax]

https://tenor.com/view/yourarchivist-black-cat-orange-cat-black-cat-and-orange-cat-cat-cuddle-gif-11630674910872813960

[molten gorge]

I'm 2.6k on my warrior atm

[icy flax]

pressing 2 buttons at the same time is easy 4 me

[wintry gate]

prot tank?

[molten gorge]

Yes

And I'm not pushing

[wintry gate]

whats your play time lol

/played

[molten gorge]

No clue

Lemme check how many keys I've done sec

[wintry gate]

do /played

[molten gorge]

I'm not at my PC

[plush tendon]

I dont fucking dare type /played

or else I'd be sick

[jagged pier]

/played is pointless

[jagged pier]

includes all the afk time

[wintry gate]

look at lvl + played lol

[molten gorge]

Is that total keys?

[plush tendon]

this must be the weirdest flex of all time

[icy flax]

why are u valuing this at all

[jagged pier]

just go to io

[icy flax]

what the fucking shit

[jagged pier]

it will tell u

[molten gorge]

Good thinking

[charred ivy]

What embolishment u guys go for for mplus?

[wintry gate]

cause if someones been playing since M+ came out

[jagged pier]

double lining

[wintry gate]

"not pushing"

[icy flax]

this is what a 8 year old would brag about at the playground

genuinely

what the fuck

[molten gorge]

Okay but you said "I bet you pump harder than I do" and I'm currently 69th All Stars for Damage

[jagged pier]

i mean im 2530ish form just filling vault

[molten gorge]

Pushing as in, I haven't even entered a 12 yet

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-who-the-hell-cares-peter-family-guy-gif-5547786

[molten gorge]

Literally this