protection

[zealous goblet]

uncapped like it hits unlimited targets or uncapped like it doesnt get reduced by the amount of mobs hit

[chilly brook]

and they can't be bothered to do it separately

[lusty grotto]

thats no excuse

other tanks have pretty strong dps counterparts

[chilly brook]

I'm saying

it's because they're lazy

[lusty grotto]

BDK <> FDK

[acoustic dew]

Warr doesnt struggle with threat tho right?

[lusty grotto]

Havoc is also pretty strong

Ret is pretty strong

[chilly brook]

neither of those have something that's big dam for both

like

you have slappy hands

but

[dusky canopy]

Dps DK and Ret paladin can do insane aoe but nooooo not warrior

[chilly brook]

you press that for the other things it does for your spec

[dusky canopy]

Bullshit to say the least

[chilly brook]

not for the dam

[lusty grotto]

yeah i get what youre saying

consecration isnt a massive part of ret, d&d isnt a massive part for fdk

etc

[narrow hull]

I've yet to have issues, and if all else fails aoe taunt is a thing. But grabbing pack aggro feels absurdly trivial.

[chilly brook]

unfortunately spear and roar just giga dam for both our dps specs so we get hit too

[lusty grotto]

SoF and Immo aura are bigger than those 2 but still

[ornate thicket]

I pull aggro off other tanks in raid without taunt constantly

[fluid widget]

It’s mostly for combining off gcd abilities with a high priority generator ability that you’d want to use (shield slam).

[ornate thicket]

And ill even just auto and it still happens

[chilly brook]

this is the norm if you're not a mouth breather

[lusty grotto]

this conversation isnt about threat

[ornate thicket]

Then i check dps

[lusty grotto]

its about just being SL capped

[ornate thicket]

And they half mine

[fluid widget]

So I can shield slam separately but also shield slam every time I ignore pain or block

[lusty grotto]

no

you use those to snipe resets

not to shield slam

if you use it to shield slam, youre gonna get fucked

[tropic linden]

See rotation section on wowhead, sums up pretty well

[chilly brook]

press shield slam on cd, don't cap rage, use shield block whenever you're actively tanking, press your CDs on CD, familiarize yourself with the reflect sheet in the pins

gg ez

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/Xa02jZG.png

COLOSSUS GO BRR

in dawnbreaker

[chilly brook]

must be nice to have DPS that aren't handicapped

[tropic linden]

IP is not a defensive, is a rage spender, so don't mind overcaping IP and prioritize using revenge to spend rage

[chilly brook]

[tropic linden]

Oh man, black in black? Why not change those bars colors?

[strong forum]

i dont want too much colour in my UI

[zealous goblet]

how do you mentally cope with the forced camera angling when you cast demolish

[tribal wharf]

i dont feel like run thread 27 more times for haste boots

making them

[zealous goblet]

i cannot get over it

[strong forum]

? doesnt exist

[plush tendon]

gotta change your details name from C-Tier to FotM Reroller

[zealous goblet]

really? it FORCES me to like, follow the target if its moving

[plush tendon]

[zealous goblet]

to look at them

it hijacks my camera no meme

[dusky canopy]

Wicked!

[toxic pewter]

Check camera settings

[zealous goblet]

i guess i will

[toxic pewter]

Prob have horizontal axis following enabled or whatever it’s called

[lusty grotto]

why arent you running siege

[zealous goblet]

i'm not seeing anything about that

[tribal wharf]

you just answered your own question

[zealous goblet]

huh?

[tribal wharf]

for nim

(cuz its siege)

[lusty grotto]

how did i answer my own question

[tribal wharf]

already killed the octopus on +10

ill do it 1 time but not 20 times

on 10

[zealous goblet]

anyways my quest to figure out colossus hijacking my camera continues

[ornate thicket]

^

[lusty grotto]

its a setting that i havent even looked at for a long long time

[zealous goblet]

oh i understand

[lusty grotto]

pretty much changed in vanilla to that and it stayed as is since then

[tribal wharf]

wow, like doom, from a log (demo for doom, exact same thing as log) perspective, the game is played on the level of a graph paper essentially

[ornate thicket]

Yeah i dont like my camera moving at all without me doing it

[zealous goblet]

hmm, what else would this change i wonder

[lusty grotto]

you have to adjust your camera

[tribal wharf]

so i would set my camera to basically be that of wc3 :S

[lusty grotto]

it wont do it for you

[ornate thicket]

If i hold right click itll follow my toon to camera

[merry sluice]

i get motion sick way too fucking much for my camera to move on its own

[lusty grotto]

that's it

[tribal wharf]

cuz it would make shit easier to see and control

[zealous goblet]

i felt like i was doing that already

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[zealous goblet]

oh

[lusty grotto]

it auto corrects if youre not pressing right click

[zealous goblet]

you know what

it might matter for charge or some shit

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter

if you were mouse looking as you charge, it should be any different

if you had hands off the mouse while youre charging, then maybe

while flying and/or skyriding , idk its pretty trivial

no reason to have it on

[ornate thicket]

There was some new camera tech console command that kept your camera from zooming in when a tree or post gets in way behind you. Couldnt get that to work tho

[lusty grotto]

works for me

[ornate thicket]

I need to try again. Mightve had a bad copy paste

[lusty grotto]

it can be kind of annoying, for example last boss of arakara (i think) has some bullshit drapes over it

[ornate thicket]

My wtf folder imploded few weeks ago. I about lost my shit when all my weakauras disappeared. And now i have a backup folder on desktop labeled "JESUSFUCK" lol

[lusty grotto]

i just wish they went with the real move of having objects behind your character disappear instead

but at least they are showing they know camera issues are the bane of many

[ornate thicket]

Yes this would be sick

[zealous goblet]

they should add a caster spec for warrior so i can grind this stonevault mount easier

make arms summon swords or some shit idk

just for one patch

[pallid quiver]

healer spec warrior

shout at people that they're bitches, they didn't need that arm

no actual magic healing or anything involved

Combat Rez, too

Tell them to get back up; they still have blood to bleed

[zealous goblet]

payday 2 inspiration build

i wonder if this reference falls on deaf ears

[fluid widget]

So shield slam that’s default to use, shield block (that will also use shield slam) and ignore pain (that will also shield slam). Would that work?

[lusty grotto]

i feel like you understand the usage but arent communicating it properly

you shield slam with shield slam

you ip with the macro

you sb with the macro

thats it

[fluid widget]

Yeah

Sorry phrasing was shit

I just wasn’t sure if the sb/ss macro was bad to use

[lusty grotto]

its bad if you shield slam with the macros

and only then

as long as they are used to do IP and/or SB youre good

[fluid widget]

Ok awesome thank you!

Appreciate the patience

[strong forum]

bro double on use is goated in keys

swapping between transmitter and skarm shard every avatar is actually insane

[pallid quiver]

ur goated

[acoustic dew]

I just realized something and I'm pissed https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=40939/harbinger-of-the-gilded

[pallid quiver]

gottem

[acoustic dew]

This is designed really badly, M+ only players will be punished

you're always stuck with like 1 or 2 -3 ilvl items

you'll never get the discount if you dont raid Mythic unless ur lucky

Should be all slots 5/6

[plush tendon]

its the same for those who raid

cause you use two embellished slots to

[frail ibex]

How big is being a vuplera as opposed to any other race?

[strong forum]

yes this season is extremely hard to gear up

not rly

but it makes you gathering pulls EXTREMELY easy

cuz you dont die just trying to get mobs together

[merry sluice]

i'd sya being a vulpera is really small tbh

tiny race

[jagged gust]

gottem

The only downside is no DPS racial, so technically the worst race in that regard

but you get to jump like a ninja

[hot perch]

This is probably a dumb question but do stances have different levels of threat generation when you're prot?

I thought it didn't matter but in retail but I have a buddy trying to convince me otherwise

[jagged gust]

no, aside from the extra dps from the 3% crit chance in battle stance

[lusty grotto]

no

only dps matters for threat

[hot perch]

Yeah that's what I thought. Thanks fellas

[jagged gust]

they might be thinking of DF where def stance had a -dam modifier

[lusty grotto]

no its just a classic andy stuck in the past

[drifting dagger]

are the higher end tanks going for vers on their gear just to survive? i have mostly haste/crit gear

[jagged gust]

Some people enjoy having their vers, it's true

[lusty grotto]

most of of them are stuck with the impression that versa will yield higher def

in some cases it will

[drifting dagger]

i think im at like 25 haste/crit and 12 vers doing 10/11s

[lusty grotto]

in most cases it wont

[merry sluice]

i mean tbh im terrified what you're doing on prot warrior if you actively need more DR

[lusty grotto]

i think plka put it best when he said they do it just to make sure they have breathing room in case of mistakes

[merry sluice]

haste will just get you more uptime on your dr anyways

[lusty grotto]

but ultimately

a lot of them just do it because others are doing it

it snowballs

[jagged gust]

It's also... a comfort blanket? Is the best way I'd phrase it

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what i said when i quoted plka

the truth is versa loses power because its hard to stack high, and all of that is usually removed by an additional key level, etc

and also

[jagged pier]

im at 1% vers doing 10s/11s

👍

[lusty grotto]

parry doesnt lose power on key level

im sure there will be a point where versa over takes it, but its hard to say if we're there

[jagged pier]

after haste your other stats do very little for survivability

pretty much 0

its all about play

[zealous goblet]

so u can go itf now right

(m*me)

[tribal wharf]

.........

[merry sluice]

idk for some reason

I think yogi wants 40% haste for itf

just a guess

[zealous goblet]

u sure?

[jagged gust]

gut feeling

[merry sluice]

no just guessing

[molten gorge]

I hate to say this again, but the scaling is big atm, saying "I do 11s with X" is irrelevant to the people doing 14s rn

[zealous goblet]

guys should i drop ravager for bsv

i need it for my 4s

[molten gorge]

I'm not saying they need it either, but saying I do an 11 and don't, is proof of nothing about a 13/14

[zealous goblet]

healer sucks

[merry sluice]

I will drop you

off a building

if you do that

[tribal wharf]

as long as its not a bulding in seige of boralus

i hate that place

[merry sluice]

that was directed to sans man not you

wtf autocorrect

[zealous goblet]

kul tiran ladies are amazonian goddesses and redeem and wrong doings of the dungeon by just being hot to listen to and look at

[merry sluice]

.

[jagged gust]

Just drop Skull Bash for it, then path through the Divine Storm node instead

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/snusnu-futurama-fry-death-death-by-snusnu-gif-16228376

[merry sluice]

i want to bash my skull after that one

we all know the growth pot draeneis are better anyways

[jagged gust]

Your growth pot is nothing compared to my pot of greed!

https://tenor.com/view/pot-of-greed-gif-12647877986002970246

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/goto-jail-bonk-funny-dog-gif-17804771

[pallid quiver]

WHICH ALLOWS ME TO DRAW 3 MORE CARDS FROM MY DECK

[zealous goblet]

i'd rather they didn't ruin their perfection with temporary (experimental) treatment

who knows whats in those pots

[lusty grotto]

alright

hands up

[zealous goblet]

also as hot as they are they arent wife material because if you have kids theres 50% chance you have a MALE half-draenei kid which are

[lusty grotto]

break it up

[zealous goblet]

UGLY

as fuck

[lusty grotto]

this conversation is over

[zealous goblet]

you'll never catch me copper

[lusty grotto]

i said HANDS UP

[zealous goblet]

i corrupt protection skyhold

BY THE DAY

YOU MAY SIEZE ME

BUT I WILL BE A MARTYR

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shot-shot-shots-fired-balazo-disparo-gif-12156521

[reef hazel]

Crit is bad because I might parry sv 1st boss and have to use my brain 0 crit life fr

[pallid quiver]

what the fuck is going on around me

i was just making funny yugioh vr references

[merry sluice]

i roleplay a draenei
and i dont even think im this downbad lmfao

[lusty grotto]

I SAID HANDS UP

[zealous goblet]

YOU GUYS ARE SHITTY PROT WARRIORS

[merry sluice]

no im not. i eat my daily dose of crayons

[zealous goblet]

EVERY DUNGEON I EDGE TO MAKE SURE I'M AT PEAK PERFORMANCE

[pallid quiver]

You ain't never gonna see what's in my hand; not without a card that says you can

[zealous goblet]

MAX TESTOSTERONE LEVELS

[lusty grotto]

yall getting sent straight to Fel Hammer

[zealous goblet]

I ALT TAB TO THE FUNNY GREEN WEBSITE

INBETWEEN GCDS

TO MAINTAIN FUEL

SHAME ON YOU IF YOU RECOGNIZE THIS

[merry sluice]

NOONONO I havent played DH in seasons since i left my old guild that begged me to

[lusty grotto]

https://discord.gg/felhammer

[chilly brook]

Crit good

[lusty grotto]

thats the last time i mention it

[merry sluice]

MAKE ME

[lusty grotto]

time for my donut break

[chilly brook]

Maths out to be the same as vers if not better

[zealous goblet]

wuzzat

[chilly brook]

But with more damage

[merry sluice]

the inferior tank spec

they also have ugly demon models

[lusty grotto]

thats h0rny jail

because apparently the h word is automodded

[chilly brook]

Idk I’d smash female dh meta form

[lusty grotto]

smh my head

[merry sluice]

understandable
can't be thirsty when the vdh meta model looks like a mutated porcupi-

well

most cant

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-fbiopenup-carlwhitman-gif-19586039

[chilly brook]

If you say you wouldn’t you’re capping

[merry sluice]

I would never.

[jagged gust]

WHICH ALLOWS ME TO PLAY POT OF GREED

[zealous goblet]

you now understand a fraction of my pain

[reef hazel]

But I've got a point eh?

[chilly brook]

Not really

[zealous goblet]

i get automodded like 1-2 times a day on average when i shitpost

[dusky canopy]

Heck

[zealous goblet]

i find out new things

[dusky canopy]

Hell

How

[chilly brook]

The great thing about averages is they average out

[dusky canopy]

Ho

[chilly brook]

[dusky canopy]

Hoe

[merry sluice]

h*nter

[lusty grotto]

learn from the master

ass hole

🙂

[dusky canopy]

I think you’re full of shit

[lusty grotto]

get fucked automod

[zealous goblet]

[dusky canopy]

I said H words no problem

[chilly brook]

Eiyer sucks

[dusky canopy]

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

brew dont bait me

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[dusky canopy]

Horn y

🧠

[lusty grotto]

hor ny

[zealous goblet]

reported for bypassing auto mod

[chilly brook]

Eyir sucks

[zealous goblet]

whats next, you post the n word??

[lusty grotto]

oh look at the time! its my donut break now for sure

[zealous goblet]

ok enjoy donuts

[pallid quiver]

ROLL MY DICE

[chilly brook]

Did they break Eyir?

[zealous goblet]

better not be any custard filled one

[chilly brook]

@gilded tendon sucks

[lusty grotto]

eyir socks

[zealous goblet]

custard's texture ruins the doughnut

[lusty grotto]

wow

rip eyir

[chilly brook]

They broke Eyir

[lusty grotto]

wait

eyir is not in disc

[dusky canopy]

eyir sucks

[lusty grotto]

must be napping

surely

by not in disc, i meant offline

so napping

[merry sluice]

eyir left bc it didnt wanna see scatter's posts

[chilly brook]

Bro why is pve Tarkov so addicting

[dusky canopy]

Wait they have PVE now!?

I might actually try that ngl

[lusty grotto]

and arena

or w/e its called

[chilly brook]

Yeah they do

Although I think you gotta buy it if you didn’t have the giga edition or w/e

I got the EoD edition for free so I’m coasting

[zealous goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860203758109851700/1289014768946118727/1662669571153-screen-shot-2022-09-08-at-43919-pm.webp

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/event-gif-9186887337818182177

[waxen frigate]

Canned fish has arrived on my TikTok fyp

Boys, we’re so back

[lusty grotto]

oh thank god

[waxen frigate]

Nah because the devs are literal shameless rats and don’t deserve any form of support whatsoever

Tarkov is permanently dead to me

[narrow hull]

Stalker 2 in 47 days. Hold.

[chilly brook]

I mean you’re not wrong lol

The amount of copyright infringement they do is wild

I know for a fact they don’t have a licensing agreement with Safariland but they’re utilizing their stuff by name

[tribal wharf]

kiaba up to his old tricks again

spoiler, i didnt win

bewd op

i boosted DMG up to 2900, but it wasnt enough to hold him off :S

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-game-gif-5580744

[rocky dove]

Are the Darkmoon Decks any good for Prot?

[lusty grotto]

sure if you have nothing else

[rocky dove]

I just dinged 80 and I'm buying some random stuff on the AH to get easy ilvls

[waxen frigate]

I’m referring to when they tried to carpet pull EOD and instead sell the same shit at double the price point with even more p2w features

[lusty grotto]

theyre fine then, Nzall

[zealous goblet]

this is gonna sound wild

[waxen frigate]

That’s exactly what they’re for

[chilly brook]

I mean yeah, I was just pointing out other shit they do

[zealous goblet]

anyone got a good healthbar weakaura. strictly a healthbar? i wanna mount it to my current weak aura that has rage already

[rocky dove]

Does it matter which ones I choose?

[waxen frigate]

Absurdly easy to make one that you like

[waxen frigate]

Honestly not really lol, you’ll replace them fast

[chilly brook]

Honestly, they don't even need to do stupid shit like that, people will more than gladly pay $5-$7 for cosmetics

like it's not even hard

[zealous goblet]

i've barely dabbled

[chilly brook]

There's plenty of wacky ass camos out there and obscure tactical clothing that people will pay for

[zealous goblet]

i want a pretty one

[waxen frigate]

Madge

[waxen frigate]

No better time to learn than today

[chilly brook]

Truuuuuuueeee

[lusty grotto]

ascension and symbiosis are ok

[lusty grotto]

mother fucker

get fucked automod

[waxen frigate]

Keep yourself safe

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

I mean the best part about it rn

is they actually have a fire lit under their ass because there's so many other competitors popping up

[jagged pier]

[echo egret]

Zek'vir ?? as tank, is there any chance to kill the egg in time ?

[kind urchin]

Yeah, egg got a huge health nerf so they can die pretty quick.

[jagged pier]

yer its easy

[echo egret]

well I have to fully focus the egg and any AoE ability to dodge screws me

Brann as healer or DPS ?

[open roost]

For the defensiveness, how does Wings of Shattered Sorrow at heroic track compare against myth track cloaks?

[jagged pier]

dps and u bait before u go to the egg

[echo egret]

Since i keep my interrupt for his heal, i get nuked down by the slow/dot

[plucky panther]

Hello guys! What do you think about this trinket ?

[dusky canopy]

It appears foreign to me

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-garbage-dumpster-gif-22255810

[jagged pier]

brann will inturpt or use avatar

[lusty grotto]

or stoneform

[tacit smelt]

I just completed a 11 dawn and i felt like i was getting punished throughout the run and health was yo-yo'ing a bit, any tips?

[jagged pier]

need logs

[lusty grotto]

use spell block

but ye need logs

[tacit smelt]

didnt log sadly

[lusty grotto]

unfortunate

[jagged pier]

me and sense have both porsted videos so u can see how we did it with different builds

[dawn geode]

i used sense's for my clear

[harsh ermine]

do we already know which ilvl of loot will drop in the 11.5. blackrock raid?

[dawn geode]

took a few tries but got it down

[arctic quartz]

guyys

what stats on shield

[jagged pier]

haste whatever u like after that

[arctic quartz]

any super important enchants?

[tropic marsh]

Does intervene/reflect still work like it did in DF where you could reflect the Vortex pinnacle boss as long as you're in 10 yards?

[jagged pier]

nope

[arctic quartz]

coolio

[eternal marlin]

is it better to upgrade my crafted pieces (from 619 to 636) or spend the crests on upgrading other pieces? (already made my sheild 636)

i could spend my crests to make my embelished belt 636, but im thinking upgrading my heroic weapon or some trinkets could be better

[woeful trellis]

Shield > wpn > the thing that give u more stats

[eternal marlin]

gotcha, then my crafted belt can wait

[neon elk]

Dont spend glided on hc items

[eternal marlin]

yeah but i dont know if me or my guild will be doing mythic raid

i could wait for a myth track weapon from vault i guess

[waxen frigate]

Guys

Canned fish arc is over

Nish beyblade arc begins

[jagged pier]

[neon elk]

Or craft one ? 636 is good enough , especialy compared to hc

[eternal marlin]

so this one isnt worth upgrading? just beacuse its from heroic raid? better to wait for next spark?

guess i can just wait on my weapon till reset and craft one when i get the next spark

[neon elk]

Like i presonaly wouldnt , glided are needed to me and im using weekly cap asap each week, u can upgrade it, but its basicly "wasted" as u will for sure replace that wep

But u do u

[lusty grotto]

i just maxed it

like 2 days ago

min maxing crests is cringe

[eternal marlin]

maxed what? your heroic weapon?

[lusty grotto]

3 weeks in

[ornate thicket]

Anyone know approx how much of our dmg is effected by a dh magic dmg buff as mt thane? Just tblast and lightning strike?

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

as per numbers you can run a sim with and without chaos brand and check

[ornate thicket]

True

Thx

[jagged pier]

higher than mine

[lusty grotto]

i sent it cause i got pissed no myth 2 hander has dropped

so i upped my 2hander

and then free uppies

[jagged pier]

still only got champ wep and shield

[lusty grotto]

dont worry im still rocking 6 champ slots 😄

err 5

[lusty grotto]

alright

thats enough skyhold for me today

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-drops-jump-building-gif-19180884

enjoy the pixels

[smoky anvil]

Have you considered that you’re based

[tame jasper]

Not pugable? Eat this Stonevault! Phew feels good 😄 Hope I will sleep good now 😄

[south zealot]

worst one yet

[lusty grotto]

lmao

that's a huge fucking cook

kinda feels like carl weathers making stew

https://tenor.com/view/carl-weathers-stew-gif-15364320

[rocky dove]

Yikes, a crafted shield will cost me around 50K just in mats it appears

[neat parrot]

if i have shield and bracers crafted and my lowest ilvl is boots, can i craft or is there anything better? than filling my lowest ilvl slot

[molten gorge]

Sparks, someone remind me, do we get 1 full spark every 2 weeks?

[lusty grotto]

correct

we get 4th next reset

[molten gorge]

🤝

Not sure I'll craft anything for a while now anyway, seems to be a lot more value in upgrading the myth track stuff I get from vault

(already made shield and 1h at 636)

[deft mortar]

God

I really really miss Dragonflight S1 set

Where dmg done triggered ignore pain

[novel totem]

Does Duskthread Lining stack? So we play it 2x?

[deft mortar]

fuck me it was beatiful

[astral crystal]

thane nerf, it's over

😏

[smoky anvil]

2 rage off thunder blast.

[cosmic canyon]

question about violent outburst 200% dmg equals 3x total dmg on next clap/slam ye? or is it 2x due to bad wording?

[stray kernel]

And damage gains!

[cosmic canyon]

unplayable

[smoky anvil]

Oh shit, yeah, didn’t see.

Neat.

[strong forum]

It's 3 times the damage

[cosmic canyon]

tested it I assume, cheers.

[tribal wharf]

he writes the simulation

[strong forum]

Yeah, about 4 years ago

[tribal wharf]

he doesnt test these things, he knows them inside out backwards

if theres 1 guy to listen to, hes the one

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-im-the-guy-spy-kids-the-guy-gif-24510920

[cunning sleet]

Is it a big nerf to prot warrior

[void wadi]

yo thinking of rolling to prot warrior cause my VDH squishy af

the nerf big for prot warrior?

[strong forum]

No

[high aspen]

is that even a nerf

because mountain thane overall got buffed

nerf to survivability and buff to damage i assume

[agile elbow]

You're still gonna have infinite rage lol

[high aspen]

yeah

[vale bobcat]

hello im here to ask if its joever

[high aspen]

no

it got better imo actually

lol

[agile elbow]

Yeah. Reroll Brewmaster.

[void wadi]

here i come prot warrior

screw VDH, my HP keeps yoyo-ing lol

[neon elk]

Is that a buff or a nerf overal( for MT) less rage but bit more dmg , whats the finsl verdict ?

[gentle acorn]

buff

it's not gonna effect your rage gen, and you'll do more damage

[high aspen]

seems like buff overall, big damage increases, slight rage gen nerf but not much honestly

[agile elbow]

You already generate infinite rage just think of this as a little less infinite rage, but you can't go lower than infinite.

[real fossil]

Not sure why prot caught a stray

Not super meaningful tho I guess

[turbid shuttle]

just ballparking off a random log, it's about 5% rage for about 2% damage

[real fossil]

5% less anger management could eat away a bit of the damage

[mighty valley]

i'll take mild colossus buffs

even if thane is probably buffed more lmao

[toxic pewter]

They took my advice from beta to nerf thane rage economy a bit

Looks like apb was right again after all

[inner wren]

thorims might nerfed????? its joever boys

time to reroll vdh .........

[merry sluice]

idk i play colossus prot warrior

i only see buffs

[neon elk]

I can already see my stupid muscle memory spaming IP like mad while playing colo..

[smoky anvil]

I’ve heard colossus mentioned as requiring more brain and I don’t brain good so mountain thane I remain.

[cosmic canyon]

I'm just asking to make sure. It has proven meaningful in the past.

in similiar situations in other class discords.

[high wyvern]

How big is the nerf? Does it really matter or not too bad?

[cosmic canyon]

it's marginal, not gonna be visible for most people in most content

[karmic plinth]

doesnt matter

[high wyvern]

Nice ty

[cosmic canyon]

lose some rage generation, gain some damage

[high wyvern]

Where is the damage gain again? I only see the rage nerf

[cosmic canyon]

and buff to colossus

[cosmic canyon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-hero-talent-tree-tuning-and-preservation-evoker-347570?utm_source=discord-webhook

[karmic plinth]

buffs to lightning strike and ground current

[smoky anvil]

It’s to Thane in general so not mentioned in the prot specific portion

[tribal wharf]

i swear i really should trade storm shields for storm bolts, with how little, and correctly, i use intervene

[high wyvern]

Ohhhh i see

[inland raft]

triple bolt is actively detrimental though

[smoky anvil]

I try extremely hard to vene properly

It’s busted when you do it right

[karmic plinth]

you are unironically better off using stormshield poorly than using storm bolts

[high wyvern]

Did anyone run sims? How much of a damage buff is that?

[smoky anvil]

Longer duration on sb seems yikers

[cosmic canyon]

not true for m+ 'dmg mitigation' / interrupts etc

[neon elk]

If it wasnt random targets causing DR ..

They should make it like longer stun and buff its dmg a ton or something

[high wyvern]

Why would longer stun duration be bad?

[cosmic canyon]

in chaos large pulls, storm bolts is a minor shockwave

[karmic plinth]

you cant control where it goes

[smoky anvil]

CD sorry

[lusty grotto]

stun diminishing returns

[inland raft]

it stuns random mobs so can put mobs into dr for no reason and end up letting something go through

[cosmic canyon]

yes, a factor. but it still stuns until it doesnt

you can't control where it goes, but it goes somewhere and that saves you damage intake

[lusty grotto]

we have 3 stuns

[merry sluice]

stormbolts is a longer duration CD on your stun when you need it
a small aoe-capped stun is not worth a longer cd st stun

if you want a short-ass cd stop, just go colossus > rumbling earth, ez.

[lusty grotto]

why would you put more DR in

plus the shield is nice

[turbid shuttle]

I would rather take nothing than take storm bolts. it's actually a net negative talent.

[cosmic canyon]

the shield is very minor though

[lusty grotto]

it adds up

[cosmic canyon]

the intervene is good thugh, but don't need the hero talent for it

[smoky anvil]

Shield fucks, worst case use a target target vene macro on something nasty going out and glaze yourself over your utility.

[neon elk]

Its 500k and it can save a life

[merry sluice]

little is better than I stun less

[lusty grotto]

thats a take

[radiant path]

To anyone who is listening to the SB problem, it's really only a problem in higher keys and people who have groups. People who pug most keys won't have a problem with mobs being immune to stuns since we all know pugs don't stun 🙂

[inland raft]

intervene has some busted interactions shield might be small but its a freebie on a already good talent while the other option is actively detrimental

[cosmic canyon]

how much is 2x stuns worth? say onto random caster mob that targets anothr player?

[lusty grotto]

severely underestimating the shield

[radiant path]

It's a great talent to take if you pug a lot

[real fossil]

You can get a couple mill of mitigation from intervene shield over the course of a boss fight in m+

[fast knot]

Pugs don't kick either

Unless I have reflect going

[merry sluice]

and you know what many casters ahve this season?

anti-sync casting, barring very specific exceptions (for which prot warrior already has two aoe stops for)

[smoky anvil]

I like to vene heals during big aoe so they can focus less on themselves.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid shuttle]

there are a shit ton of pulsing magic damage mechanics this season, and you can intervene someone for a 500k shield every time. if you can be bothered to use it it's nice.

[merry sluice]

not to mention stormbolts has a very small target cap and you will lose control on stunning what you exactly want very quickly

but you will dr the shit out of stuns when you wanted to stun just one mob

[high root]

whats the stat prio for prot after haste?

[real fossil]

There are enough throws and ranged hits for intervene to be pretty value even outside of the shield

[cosmic canyon]

vers imo, for +m

[green bronze]

crit

[inland raft]

crit>vers>mastery

[high root]

for mythic plus

dorry for not being specific

[karmic plinth]

haste > crit > vers > mastery

[lusty grotto]

the stat prio is in both guides

[real fossil]

Not mastery

TLDR heavy haste, not master

[lusty grotto]

please read them

[smoky anvil]

Crit, XxparrygodxX

[cosmic canyon]

Haste > Vers if you're pushing. If you're into yolo fun. go for crit or whatever you like

crit synergizes with the talent tree

[karmic plinth]

vers isnt as worth it as crit is now

[cosmic canyon]

worth for who?

[inland raft]

its crit even if pushing, the tiny flat dr from vers is nowhere near as good as just killing the mobs

[karmic plinth]

protection warrior

[cosmic canyon]

I mean if you're relying on parrying to survive and/or stack vers to mitigate the damage intake enough that you survive even if the hit lands, up to you.

[inland raft]

your not relying on parry your relying on block

which is 100%

[karmic plinth]

you arent relying on it but it adds up more over a key than vers does

[cosmic canyon]

no shit. that only works to a point

[karmic plinth]

u can parry specific mechanics

[neon elk]

And if u go vers are u relying on 5-7%dr?

[inland raft]

and also the larger the pull the more value parry gets as well

vs vers

[real fossil]

Thinking too hard about vers vs crit is a waste of time as long as the piece has haste

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wrld-tour-gif-14702468268550282905

[real fossil]

🤭

[radiant path]

This

[karmic plinth]

if u read the guide it is quite clear as to why crit is above vers

[inland raft]

or next level is just worry about ilvl and pressing buttons correctly

[cosmic canyon]

here you have the top 50 io parsed and how they stack their stats

https://murlok.io/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/mm+

[chrome lance]

His chin was the stuff of legend. Bold. Angular. Jutting out into the world like a proud peacock. In the end, the world was not ready for a protrusion this glorious and he was sent to the gallows.

[high root]

ty for info guys!

[turbid shuttle]

crit (parry) gives more damage mitigated on average, but almost exclusively applies to stuff you're already strong against. vers gives less damage mitigated on average, but also applies to stuff you're weak against. they're both good in different ways. it's not worth agonizing over.

[high root]

❤️

[waxen frigate]

Looking at random peoples’ gear when we’re 15+ iLvl below cap

[inland raft]

not to mention a lot of the top pushers are gods at the game but not necessarily great at the class

[tribal wharf]

i seriously didnt know you can just fly to the final boss platform in DB until i saw nomes stream today

[cosmic canyon]

you can look at whatever gear you want. If you've been pushing for 0.1% in the past you know the value of haste&vers relative haste&crit

[pallid quiver]

As long as you get there fast enough, yeah

[real fossil]

The interpretation from the murlockk data should be to prio heavy haste and avoid mastery

[pallid quiver]

you mean relatively none on the tank's side?

[green bronze]

you can also use classic flight style in DB, makes it much easier

[neon elk]

Wait so the difference is 200 stat? Xd

[cosmic canyon]

this is very good btw. Assuming you have enough haste

[green bronze]

don't have to worry about falling through ship

[pallid quiver]

Vers is extremely useful if you don't have an entire defensive kit built into your class to avoid being one shot

[green bronze]

ITF is goated

[tribal wharf]

if i was 625 ilvl i would be 40% haste

or close to it

[inland raft]

everyone knows itf is good, this issue is in season 1 you cant get enough haste to have 100% block uptime with it, so if want to trade survival for more damage you can but generally hr is going to be much more consistent

[green bronze]

im 36% haste in 621 ilvl, feel like its enough to use ITF

[cosmic canyon]

I'm having 39% haste with flask and I run 96-98% uptime on sb with it in keys

[inland raft]

96-98 is not 100

[cosmic canyon]

this season you have access to shield charge

[lusty grotto]

keening LOVES to post that murloc.io link holy shit

we should put that as part of #protection-faq

[inner wren]

rip warriors guys

[inland raft]

the point is itf is good, and can play it, but it is slightly riskier then hr

[cosmic canyon]

it is 100% because you're always "in combat" kiting etc it's 100% when it matters

if you're there slamming the enemy mob and hitting it, it's always gonna be up

96-98 is from details data after key done

[real fossil]

Unbind your stance macro and make sure you don’t shotted with that 2% downtime

[lusty grotto]

kinda wild the guy that says stormbolts is good links an aggregate site, it speaks volumes

[cosmic canyon]

even with HR you never reach "100%" in details

[pallid quiver]

It's around 35-40% before buffs, depending on dungeon/SB needs/pack length/etc

[cosmic canyon]

don't be butthurt mate. 😗

[lusty grotto]

im not

i just prefer Skyhold to be misinformation free

[pallid quiver]

If there's more RP in a dungeon between packs, or things that aren't blockable, or things like that, ITF is more feasible at lower levels

[inland raft]

if you arent running into block uptime issues then your doing low keys where doesnt matter anyways, or running bolster to compensate which means dropping something else

[cosmic canyon]

I'm not running bolster

[south zealot]

aggregate data is bad if ppl are stupid

[real fossil]

I think if you’re asking about that talent the answer is HR, and only once you’ve ascended a bit should you try ITF

[solid sun]

What does aggregate mean

[radiant path]

Right now, I have to have Bolster when I use ITF

[south zealot]

a sum total of many things taken together

[green bronze]

is there a way to check for active shield block uptime?

[merry sluice]

not even yoda's cooked-ass build goes stormbolts
that's the litmus test for stormbolts being bad

[inland raft]

then you either have downtime on block or you are doing keys so low stuff dies before block runs out. and again its perfectly fine to run but hr is more consistent

[jagged pier]

Yer logs

[lament prawn]

The good thing about stormbolts is that you put mobs on stun DR sooner so it's no longer your problem

[green bronze]

i can't find active uptime in logs, only normal uptime

[fast knot]

and then your healer and two DPS get machine gunned by casts because they all kicked the same target

[pallid quiver]

You look at your damage taken value

You can see how many hits you blocked of abilities under the hits column for abilities

[tropic linden]

So, the changes next week are a buff, nerf or net neutral?

[lament prawn]

Yes

[sharp gale]

Yes

[tropic linden]

Noice

[pallid quiver]

Will look like that

[cosmic canyon]

Shield charge every 45 seconds give you 8 sec of sb.

39% haste plus trinket procc keeps it up all the time for an indefinite amount of time. High key or low key doesn't matter.

[balmy canyon]

Do the nerfs really work out to 14-15% rage reduction in keys (that's what I'm getting looking at my own logs)

[jagged pier]

U can also apply a filter to take out not being in combat i believe but eh u dont need to do that

[pallid quiver]

the first log i pulled up at random was actually of my shaman smh

[green bronze]

found it, thank you, looks like i took 49 unblocked melee hits with ITF

[jagged pier]

Show logs to prove your point

[high root]

what trinket?

[pallid quiver]

I agree with this, since it also matters that you're not turning your back to enemies with SB up, since that just defeats the point

[jagged pier]

Wanna see 98% block hits then

With your log

With itf

[solid sun]

Jakey said I’m tired of all this jibber jabber

Give logs

[jagged pier]

I always prefer data

[green bronze]

i just had 94.37% in dawnbreaker

[solid sun]

I agree. I’m just providing silly commentary

[pallid quiver]

you can also just get carried by your healer, as well

[jagged pier]

And u can probably do 98% with itf in dawnbreaker because nothing melees

[jagged pier]

Outlyer dungeon

[green bronze]

a lot of room for improvement, can get to 98% with perfect play surely

can get hundred if can have sb before first pull i guess)

[cosmic canyon]

starting pc again.

[tribal wharf]

call me when we can 100% block as colossus with itf

then im impressed

[tropic linden]

Love this dungeon, just today cliped the small boat and couldn't land on it. Had to return to big boat to go back to small boat

[jagged pier]

Ive had above 90

[cosmic canyon]

hopefully it's in details still

[jagged pier]

No details

Shows me nothing

I asked for logs

[green bronze]

can do it on training dummies)

[potent anvil]

db+10 done. 609 ilvl, im ramping

[jagged pier]

[south zealot]

you can for sure

[ionic fern]

Diddn't know Jakey plays a warlock.

[solid sun]

Can I have shield wall for every tank buster on Dawnbreaker 2nd boss

[cosmic canyon]

this is from a failed sv11

[jagged pier]

🤫

[neon elk]

U can with shield charge cant you?

[cosmic canyon]

it was never reapplied

[green bronze]

use classic flight style, you will still be fast af

[cosmic canyon]

during dungeon run

[jagged pier]

So not 98 like u claimed also thats not logs

[lusty grotto]

wow jakeywarlock helping out deswind, what a guy

[jagged pier]

For the 3rd time

[tropic linden]

U shouldnt need that much to survive that boss. Just rotate ur cds

[green bronze]

not sure, i think mobs can still hit you during your charge

[pallid quiver]

You want to wait until in melee to use shield charge, anyway. You still can get SB before first enemy by charge+Avatar, though

[cosmic canyon]

share with me in which state you want the logs. and I'll give it to you during the weekend

[jagged pier]

Warcraft logs

[solid sun]

Unedited Warcraft logs!

[ionic fern]

He casts it every ~35-40s

[karmic plinth]

who has the log copy paste

[radiant path]

He's asking for the log link

[ionic fern]

So, no.

[green bronze]

spell reflect is usually enough to survive the slam

[jagged pier]

Just sw and sr

[lusty grotto]

hey Mwahi and Jakey can we add #protection message to the FAQ, they love to post it here

[pallid quiver]

Just kill him before the 2nd tank buster

[ionic fern]

What's that.

[solid sun]

I was mostly just wondering if I can get shield wall’s cd low enough to do that

[lusty grotto]

its the only guide we'll ever need, apparently

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[ionic fern]

No.

[solid sun]

But now I know you can’t!

[jagged pier]

Murlockios guide to prot or somthing

[lusty grotto]

based

[jagged pier]

Aggrgate data of top 50 u know we love that here mwahi

[cosmic canyon]

cult gonna cult. 12h shift tomorrow and on sunday. I'll try to upload the logs

nn

[ionic fern]

It's a blockable attack tho.

[lusty grotto]

choco with the low key reply

[jagged pier]

No im asking u not to spout nonense and mis information without data to back it up

[ionic fern]

Physical part is blockable via SB and magical via Spell Block.

[lusty grotto]

imagine mentioning cult when you just copy paste whatever people are doing lmao

[jagged pier]

Dont be angry because you dont log

[merry sluice]

Bro I don’t understand how so many people will circle jerk yoda’s build

Then will come in and ask about shit even Yoda won’t take like stormbolts lmfao

[solid sun]

Oh that’s awesome

[merry sluice]

Can they at least make up their mind on what they want to do wrong???

[jagged pier]

I dont know why ppl try to math or say x or why when theu dont log and look at the data themselves

[real fossil]

Something something wisdom of the crowd

[jagged pier]

Or he looked at his data and saw it wasnt close to 98%

So now he need to make logs

[lusty grotto]

(:

[jagged pier]

Will we get them?

Im still wait for some from S1 of Df

[lusty grotto]

good question

[solid sun]

Suddenly two 12 hour work shifts

[waxen frigate]

Hey Jakey wanna play beyblade?

[lusty grotto]

beyblade dn

[jagged pier]

Also uptime whos still talking about uptime

[tribal wharf]

well, thats not so great

[jagged pier]

No one care about uptime its about blocked hits can have 100% uptime and not block anything

[solid sun]

Why doesn’t uptime matter. Doesn’t uptime mean giga shield slams forever

[jagged pier]

Yes always

[lusty grotto]

it matters, just less than

[green bronze]

is 98% blocked hits even possible?

[jagged pier]

Okay its fine to 'look" at it that way. But its bad to look at it from a defensive point of view

[green bronze]

with HR?

[south zealot]

yes

easily

[jagged pier]

Yes probably

[inner wren]

what do we all reroll to now that warriors are dumpster tier

[jagged pier]

Depends how big a pull go

[south zealot]

what are u even talking about

[lusty grotto]

prot pally

[green bronze]

i just looked up +20 key from dragonflight s4, and dude has 92% blocked hist

[lusty grotto]

let him meme choco

hes memeing

[green bronze]

even in df season 4 where 50% haste was easily achievable

[jagged pier]

If u went pack by pack and engaged from the front u could get 100%

[south zealot]

idk man fury warriors are losing it rn

[lusty grotto]

oh

sounds like every tuesday

[south zealot]

assumed they were lost

[jagged pier]

Think my highest atm is 95ish but obviously get hit ij the bavk gathering and stuff so

98 possible if i cared more

[solid sun]

Wait idgi

[tribal wharf]

royalswarm gaurd, whatever that is, got me 38% unblocked

[solid sun]

How can you have 100% uptime and not block hits

Giving up your back?

[tribal wharf]

hit in back

etc

[jagged pier]

Was just in a sv and was capped on sb buff until after first boss

[tribal wharf]

hit in back is the yogi (me) special

[jagged pier]

Yes so when gather packs maybe u over cook the strafe jump a little

But like u can have uptime and be kiting so now stopping anything so also wasting the buffs

[merry sluice]

NO WAY GUYS

WE FOUND THE REAL YOGI!

[jagged pier]

Which is why uptime is not a good metric onlu blocked hits

[balmy canyon]

So if I'm mathing right the nerfs to rage gen work out like this:

• Throim's Might rage generation from Lightning Strike reduced by 40%
• Thunder blast rage generation reduced by 20%

From my logs of keys earlier.

Lightning Strike - 20.6% of overall rage* 60% = 12.4% now or 8% overall rage reduction

Thunder Blast - 27.5% of overall rage * 80% = 22.0% now or 5.5% overall rage reduction

8% + 5.5% = 13.5%

Anyone else math the nerfs out and get similar values?

[jagged pier]

I wouldnt bother trying ti math anything out

[solid sun]

That’s super interesting. I’ve never thought about shield block that way before

[graceful kite]

brew

[jagged pier]

We will just see when the logs come

[solid sun]

Just make sure I have the buff and keep it moving

I am so bad

[jagged pier]

Its how u should

[tribal wharf]

i think we will be fine

[jagged pier]

We could go back to a time where 75% blocked hits is the best u gunna get

[inner wren]

it's joever bros...

[waxen frigate]

back to vanilla where it's like 2 melees per use

[graceful kite]

if talented

great times

[green bronze]

looks like highest i could achieve was 94.37% in DB, usually around 92-93 percent in other dungeons

[graceful kite]

I'd play classic if they do it fresh

not on warrior tho

[waxen frigate]

FRESH WHEN!@!!!

[graceful kite]

Btw sod priest is like 95% retail hpriest

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but who plays sod

[green bronze]

HR added like 3 more percent blocked hits in mists

[graceful kite]

I did and I'd play it now if my guildies played

[waxen frigate]

Past tense moment

[graceful kite]

classic healing is pure joy

you autowand and alttab

[waxen frigate]

I played HPal in wrath classic

HOLY LIGHT HOLY LIGHT HOLY LIGHT HOLY LIGHT

[graceful kite]

nah wrath is already modern

[lusty grotto]

you know what grinds my gears

[green bronze]

path of exile?

[lusty grotto]

i havent dabbled

[graceful kite]

so are we actually nerfed?

[lusty grotto]

i did the tutorial and just never kept going

but seriously, you know what grinds my gears

[solid sun]

Running out of Teflon tape and you’re almost done with the job?

[lusty grotto]

you fucking bet

[south zealot]

airline food

[lusty grotto]

that too

[solid sun]

Traffic?

[balmy canyon]

Do the math, unless someone can prove otherwise I stand behind 14% rage nerf

[mortal plinth]

can i play as fury in raid, set my loot spec to prot, and roll on items?

[waxen frigate]

yes

[lusty grotto]

but anyway also when zekvir decides to heal while at 5% and i have to waddle over and pray to whatever i dont believe in so that disrupting's range gets it, then charge back and get frontaled

[mortal plinth]

dope, just started prot and dont want to ruin people's raid while i learn lol

and dont wanna do normal cause loot is ass

[lusty grotto]

heal in africa, while charge on cd

[solid sun]

Do yall pull more jab dudes at the end of city of threads

Or do you pull more at the beginning

[green bronze]

i do double after second boss

a bit sketchy to survive tho, have to send all cds)

[solid sun]

You don’t kite them?

[green bronze]

didn't go that high yet, highest done in 11, survived without kiting

[tropic linden]

Yo @jagged pier how do u deal with spits on ?? ? Avatar isn't up for all casts and i can't aford to interrupt the spit

[green bronze]

i didn't kite anything this season yet) maybe should start doing that)

[tropic linden]

And it trucks for 1m dmg/sec

[radiant path]

Is there a way to show buff uptime only while in combat using the filter in warcraft logs? I can't find anywhere online having an answer for it(though the question pops up every few years). I even tried using chatgpt to give me a filter and it was able to do a lot... But not the "in combat" part haha. It wanted me to do inCombat()

[green bronze]

have that big anxiety to try 12, cause i know trash will probably eat me up in first few tries(

[tropic linden]

Details is ur best friend for M+ analitycs

[lusty grotto]

logs are all data

in combat

if there's nothing going on, why would you think it'll track it besides time

[radiant path]

yeah, but sometimes I want to look at my stats the next day instead of after every dungeon I run.

[radiant path]

So all the buff % only in combat? If so, that makes it easy 😂

[lusty grotto]

run a replay

hell

pull a CoT log

and run a replay on it

is it reporting player locations off-combat?

[tropic linden]

Out of curiosity, which uptime ur trying to see?

[lusty grotto]

there's plenty of times where you are in CoT, even a dawnbreaker

[radiant path]

Shield Block. And I know I can go to the damage taken and hover over the melee part. But that includes turning my back to mobs while gathering and stuff. I'm just curious if I at least have Shield Block up 100% in combat to see if I'm missing possible uptime

[tropic linden]

Ur using ITF or the other one?

[radiant path]

ITF

With bolster

[lusty grotto]

go to buffs

[radiant path]

It's showing 87% in the buffs

[simple drum]

Are us Mountain Thane boyz stoked as fuck for these buffs???

[radiant path]

I just wasn't sure if that was in combat or not

[lusty grotto]

should be

[radiant path]

Sweet

Thanks!

[lusty grotto]

the disparity could be back hits, stuns, anything that makes you incapable of blocking

mandate casts

if you want to see the breakdown

[radiant path]

Yeah, thats why I wanted to see the buff uptime percent instead of melee hits that didn't get blocked

[lusty grotto]

go to Damage Taken

click on events

then click the shield buff icon

[fiery quarry]

Do I need to be changing my talents for each instance?

[lusty grotto]

then scroll down the list until you see a hit that doesnt have (B: )

[safe spoke]

craft shield vs main weapon

[lusty grotto]

shield is more important

[radiant path]

Oh this is cool. I've never even used the "events" tab before. I like this

[safe spoke]

mean... more item lv for shield?

[lusty grotto]

yes and when you see the hits, note the number (A:, B:, U:, M, %)

whenever it says B

it means you blocked

if it doesnt

and that's filtering WHILE you have shield block up

that means you very likely received a back hit

[radiant path]

Yeah, I did a control + f for B: and it helped me find all the places that I didn't block haha

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

yes its your only source of block vlaue

more ilvl = more block

[radiant path]

I didn't realize how much I parry shit

[safe spoke]

636 craft weapon with 639 shield. right?

[lusty grotto]

what

didnt you just ask which one to craft?

[safe spoke]

yes. I'm dps for raid and tanker for m+

[lusty grotto]

ok so craft shield

are you getting a myth shield anytime soon?

[unkempt sparrow]

how we feeling about next weeks tuning?

insignificant?

[safe spoke]

maybe

[lusty grotto]

youre dps

you open vaults as dps

[radiant path]

Ooooo, this is helpful. This is when I got hit while I DIDN'T haven't shield block up

[lusty grotto]

are you getting fed a myth shield from ulgrox or something?

[radiant path]

Thanks, nimchip!

[safe spoke]

ulgrox

[lusty grotto]

thats not helpful

you want to see back hits no?

you dont have to see hits when SB is not up, you can deduce you screwed up by just looking at the effective uptime

[radiant path]

I wanted to see a lot of stuff haha. One of them was back shots. The other was how often I didn't have shield block up

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

[radiant path]

And this shows me when I didn't

[lusty grotto]

thats why hovering over hits is better

i guess its enlightening but i fail to see why its helpful

just keep SB up

[radiant path]

This shows me at what part of the dungeon I didn't have it. I just like data, I guess haha

[lusty grotto]

or dont play ITF with sub 35% unbuffed haste, like most of us

[frosty holly]

Thane dmg inc works for prot also ye?

[real fossil]

ITF is such a trap for new or even moderate skilled players

Being baited into min/max bullshit without the fundamentals

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[real fossil]

ITF is for when you already live easily, and want to make things harder and do more damage

[radiant path]

I didn't have shield block up for 20 melee hits. That doesn't seem horrible

Sure, it's not perfect

[tribal wharf]

depends on whats meleeing you

[radiant path]

Right

[tribal wharf]

boss? no

[real fossil]

It’s where you’re focusing your attention

[tribal wharf]

tiny beetles, maybe

[real fossil]

Don’t think about sb uptime and instead think about interupts or clumping or positioning

[radiant path]

I am thinking about that stuff too... But I should be thinking about SB uptime too.

If my SB uptime was like 40%... Somethings wrong

[real fossil]

No you should not be thinking actively about sb uptime, it should be automatic or like muscle memory before you think about making things harder for yourself

[radiant path]

I'm not arguing that I should only be thinking about shield block uptime. It's just something that I WANT to see

[lusty grotto]

can i see that log?

[radiant path]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WQBM7NtJbwFa2VkZ?#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=3&view=events&sourcebuffs=-132404

I'm not shy. Also, I enjoy feedback and learning

[lusty grotto]

thats 83 melee hits you didnt block

not 20

[radiant path]

Right, but I had shield block up for the other 63

[radiant path]

The problem is that I was turning m yback

[lusty grotto]

so?

[radiant path]

So there are differnt types of thigns to work on

[lusty grotto]

i guess

[radiant path]

I'm focuing on different parts

[real fossil]

Right, so make your build easier and focus on those things

[radiant path]

And my question was specifically about my shield block up time

[lusty grotto]

play HR

[real fossil]

Play Hr

[radiant path]

Will do. I've only been trying out ITF the last few days to see what my shield block up time was like

hence the question about how to see shield block up time

[keen leaf]

into the fray vs heavy repercussions for m+?

[real fossil]

This is the problem with looking at the top 50 website or looking at top players…they are min/maxing things to make it harder to play (for damage or some other reason), when copying that blindly makes your life more difficult

[radiant path]

I know all of that already. I just like to test myself

I've been doing HR and wanted to see my shield block uptime with ITF. I'm having fun, and thats what you're supposed to do in games haha

[real fossil]

There’s so much cool stuff with reflect and intervene and positioning

[keen leaf]

oh wow, what timing, yall were literally talking about my question

[real fossil]

Play HR

[night oracle]

colossus in M+ feels really lacklluster on rage

anyone else ? i know thane is the go to

[radiant path]

I do appreciate the feedback though, and helping me navigate warcraft logs better though

[radiant path]

I had the exact same feeling haha. Rage generation on MT feels soooo much better haha

[real fossil]

This is the best! I’ve been playing a dumber build and have been playing around with intervene and spell reflect tech and calling interupts when in comms

[night oracle]

it's like , i wanna give it a try

but after testing on the dummies for like 15min i already knew

im gonna die of rage starvation

watching my health bar dropping without being able to do anything at some point

[radiant path]

Intervene is one thing that I need to work on more. I even took it out of my current build to test some other stuff haha. But I'm gonna put it back in

[real fossil]

Keys this season reward smooth gameplay so much more

And not damage

[radiant path]

In the past, I've only intervened when someone else really needed it

But it hasn't always given a shield, right?

Thats a hero talent now, right?

[tulip oar]

Am I reading this right? #updates-midnight message
Did they just buff Prot Thane as a side effect?

[radiant path]

I would only take intervene in dungeons where adds fixate on players or jump around(or Halls of Valor for the wolf boss)

But now I guess the shield it gives is probably worth it and just start interveneing like crazy

[tulip oar]

Still lots of mobs that focus and charge someone. The Expel cast in Mists for example.