protection

[valid sleet]

What's BSV?

[hidden rock]

Battle-Scarred Veteran

[nocturne spindle]

Yea I started running it for 10+ keys

It feels nice to be able to totally fuck up and not be punished

Brain zug zug

[drifting dagger]

i ahave a question about threat in m+ pulls... if its a fresh pack i sometimes ahve threat issues... so say i wanna pull a double pack im charging in and SS then TC for enough rage to get block up but sometimes lose threat on that pack when im pulling the 2nd... thoughts? suggestions?

[misty shuttle]

Agreed

[wooden widget]

What are you guys dropping for bsv tho?

[sick grotto]

Shield charge or tc > avatar > thunderblast

The pack then grab the 2nd one

[drifting dagger]

i would wanna send the avatar on the 1st pack?

ok got it

if hypothetically i didn't have avatar? what wait 2/3 globals then send the 2nd pack?

@wooden widget from what ive seen Dorki dropped ravager, and yoda dropped enduring alacrity, but i am no expert

[wooden widget]

Damn losing ravager would be a lot of rage loss

Tyty

[sick grotto]

It all depends on your dps but tc and shield charge should be a bit of aggro. If you got burst classes like fury might have to drop more or aoe taunt

[drifting dagger]

my group is ususally FDK and ele sham

[sick grotto]

If they aint monkeys 2 aoe gcds is usually plenty

[drifting dagger]

sometimes they monkeys

[sick grotto]

Classic

[drifting dagger]

and challenging shout isn't always up hah

im coming from vdh where aoe threat was a bit easier with sigils/ immo aura in my opinion at least

[sick grotto]

Yeah a couple in my group is also a bunch of baboons. Im no different when im on fury tho

[drifting dagger]

sameeee

big pack??? ZUG!!!!

[sick grotto]

Ell yeah

[mighty valley]

do they know you're doing a double pull? they shouldn't want to blow cooldowns til everything's grouped right

[drifting dagger]

yes lol

teh dk is better about it the ele not so much

[sick grotto]

Cant speak for other classes but chain lightning goes brrr

[drifting dagger]

ya basically

weve talked about doing bigger pulls for trying to time 11's but again threat issues make them kinda tough

[mighty valley]

ravager from range helps, tc avatar tb is big aoe burst if needed

[drifting dagger]

ya i might get used to sending avatar on the 1st pack

i have been selfishly holding for the 2nd pack to get there

[mighty valley]

yeah just avatar immediately to get the rage + cd rolling for anger management

[drifting dagger]

or charge/leap to 2ns pack and send avatar but thats where i lose some threat on the 1st pack

[sick grotto]

You will still get good value out of it and speed up your gameplay moving to next pack

Quicker

[drifting dagger]

i see

[high mesa]

I tried dropping ravager for it but it felt like shit, so I dropped shield charge instead

[south zealot]

ravager or shield charge + champions bulwark and pick up bolster as well

[drifting dagger]

i like my bulwark talent tho

[heavy sparrow]

hey guys what is the other health potion that doesn't share a CD with algari potion

it is a combat potion

idk the name

[south zealot]

no idea but no reason to use that

[dense crater]

Cavedweller

[zealous goblet]

i'm looking for some flavor in my life

anyone know any addons similar to plater?

or maybe got some cool looking setups for plater

[fluid widget]

Jundies player profile is fantastic

[zealous goblet]

got a link or some screenshots or something?

[calm cove]

Enduring alacrity and punish, pick bolster instead and you keep ravager

[zealous goblet]

friendly reminder this sentence starts wars in this discord

[jagged gust]

absolutely not

Like some people want the training wheels build and that's fine, but those are absurd talents to lose

[zealous goblet]

oh no it's beginning

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-shower-crying-gif-20091588

[hazy fractal]

🤣

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pulpfiction-john-travolta-lost-gif-12409710

[zealous goblet]

someone needs to pin

just something rrelating to bsv

like, either the training wheels build, or just a plea to not drop ravager, somethin

[ionic fern]

[zealous goblet]

DO YER JOB

I SEES YOU

i love u

[jagged pier]

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

ok me go grind normal dungeons and beg level 70 alts to sell me trinket now because warriors don't have a caster class and i'm not making a new character. i love stonevault mount. i love stonevault mount. i love stonevault mount

[merry sluice]

nah if u wana start a war

go into bdk

and say runetap or UE

i've seen multi hour rants break out when someone mentions using it in acherus lol

[sick grotto]

Give us 1 more talent point no more fighting

[wild jacinth]

hey yooo, about to change my war from alliance to horde, what race is better for prot and fury as off spec?

[zealous goblet]

generally speaking the races are more cosmetic than classic.

no racial is make or break

[wild jacinth]

at alliance dwarves are really strong

with dot removal

[zealous goblet]

ask someone wiser than me

[wild jacinth]

don't get me wrong, ur answer is right

[zealous goblet]

yeah but i'm afraid to feed you misinformation past that

because someone smarter has probably crunched the numbers

all i know is i like to play human warrior, and i just so happen to have a stun removal every 3 mins that lets me pretend i didnt grief a mechanic

[wintry bough]

Generally orc / blood elf is recommended

[calm cove]

It's not uncommon to run these in 12+ currently

I'm assuming that's what you're doing if you take BSV anyway

[merry sluice]

considering half the healer's i've gotten have their key boards unplugged...

its tempting...

[heavy wigeon]

is duskthread lining bonus visual bugged? half the time the value only reflects 1 instead of 2

and my stat doesnt drop when i take one of the items off. so it isnt giving me the vers

[zealous goblet]

i think it's safe to assume as we get more geared and more dungeons get their fucking kneecaps removed we'll see it pushed back more and more

grim batol turned into joker fiesta

old yellered that bitch

[merry sluice]

dw

[calm cove]

Ye well see but tanks getting deleted by trash is a major issue 12+

[merry sluice]

half my groups still can't comprehend that dungeon

👍

[zealous goblet]

"i must go rub myself on dead red dragon naked"

[merry sluice]

saw my first dps death to first boss GB earlier today in an 11

[zealous goblet]

mind controls your dps to pull all twilight dragons

[merry sluice]

dw

i had that one too

an evoker (like usual it seems...)

decided we were doing the all devastator route

[zealous goblet]

gl adjusting route after going over by 40%

[merry sluice]

and on every pack flew directly ontop of them

dw, the route was fixed, we didnt have to pull any more trash when the evoker rage quit after dying on third boss

[zealous goblet]

oh thank god

i was scared

2am horror story

[merry sluice]

ofc last night i was about to time an 11 gb

wheeen the shitty affix said

"no"

and reset the boss

🙂

[zealous goblet]

hm?

[merry sluice]

and haven't foduna group that can kill it since

[zealous goblet]

how so?

[merry sluice]

🤷 third boss would just reset if the affix spawned during its death RP

bc fuck you i guess

[zealous goblet]

on grim batol?

[merry sluice]

yeah

[zealous goblet]

i wasn't even aware of death rp

[merry sluice]

yeah at like 50%

[lone current]

Jump off your mount or a tall spot and drop under 80% health. It should activate afetr healing

[merry sluice]

the dragon flies up and the warlock falls off, fight ends

[heavy wigeon]

thank you

[merry sluice]

but the affix being alive during this would randomly reset it
they claimed they fixed it earlier today. But i've yet to have a group that can make it this far again lol

[zealous goblet]

huh.

i always slashed at the warlock

since i saw it had 1hp

and didn't think it was rp

just flavor shit, y'know?

it's weird to put words to it.

[merry sluice]

I didn't even know the warlock could be targetted after it fell...

[zealous goblet]

ye he drops down with 1hp

i thought you were supposed to hit him when he comes down

as part of the fight

[candid yacht]

Is anyone messing with colossus in +9 and up or just rolling with MT?

[jagged pier]

Loads of ppl

[candid yacht]

The dmg output seems substantially higher

[unkempt hazel]

been known

[candid yacht]

QoL is way lower 😂😂

[jagged pier]

Havent really noticed a difference

Expect more damage myself

[candid yacht]

Planning on running some colossus tomorrow

[unkempt hazel]

planning to survive till tomorrow

[jagged pier]

Yer thats a big plan right there

[candid yacht]

Man discord chats late at night are always the meta

[jagged pier]

its 20 too 8 in the morning

[unkempt hazel]

akshually its 10 soon

[candid yacht]

Has anyone broke down the dmg mitigation % between the 2 ?

[jagged pier]

its less for colossus i dont think anyone has bothered to put in a number

but in 9s

it will be fine it will only really make a difference in higher keys

[candid yacht]

Look I’m just a casual guy looking to casually farm guilded crests 😂 hang me alright

[jagged pier]

yer thats fine

[zealous goblet]

No one hunting you. But beware you need 10s for vault.

[candid yacht]

Man the vault has shit on me every week so far lmfao

[zealous goblet]

Aye. But it's the only way to get myth stuff outside of crafting if you're not a raider so ye gotta

[candid yacht]

Facts. Anyone have any builds for colossus besides reading over Murlock io builds?

[jagged pier]

there are plenty of better ones on wow head

[candid yacht]

Ok I’ll check it, seemed like wow head is in love with mt

[lusty grotto]

click any of these

[unkempt hazel]

wing it

[lusty grotto]

then click the drop down

[heavy sparrow]

anyone beat ?? leveled Zekvir

[lusty grotto]

yes plenty of people

[jagged pier]

yer its a joke

[unkempt hazel]

not me

cba doing the delves to unlock it

[lusty grotto]

true youre not a joke

[jagged pier]

they take like 2 mins to do

[unkempt hazel]

jakey

[ionic fern]

With all the hype people put for zek'vir i thought it's something hard..but it's just a "avoid frontals,kick once in a while and kill a mob".

[jagged pier]

fungal folly kills its self

[unkempt hazel]

u underestimate the sheer volume of my laziness

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree mwahi

[jagged pier]

it was hard then they finally actually tuned it

it was impossible to do for 2 weeks

[lusty grotto]

4 mechanics isnt harder than legion MT

[zealous goblet]

btw while trying out colossus one thing turned me off, and i was wondering if it can be adjusted. your camera like, fixates on whatever you use demolish on. why?

[jagged pier]

eggs also had double hp and the boss had like 4 times the hp

[lusty grotto]

its just throughput

[candid yacht]

So true lmfao I beat my head against my keyboard

[unkempt hazel]

coulda used ur hands

but u do u

[lusty grotto]

its just way too simple

[candid yacht]

I didn’t say which one now lol

[jagged pier]

your in the minority nim

[lusty grotto]

i also thought it would be more like legion mage tower

like mwahi

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-thousand-yard-stare-gif-3375758199587212884

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess Jakey

[jagged pier]

its aimed as mythic raid end boss for the solo casual olayer

he are, well

no good

[lusty grotto]

well not anymore i guess

[jagged pier]

no still is

[unkempt hazel]

so what ur saying is im never doing it

[jagged pier]

i have faith in everyone to do it

as iver done it

[unkempt hazel]

(never did any of the mythic end bosses)

[lusty grotto]

its not

he said its "like"

for that specific type of player

[jagged pier]

^^

[lusty grotto]

its not hard, and there's no cognitive load

just kick one thing, dps down egg, avoid frontal

like mwahi said

[merry sluice]

its just bad
and you get an ugly mount.

But i guess ascension breaker is a neat title

[unkempt hazel]

I gotta kick stuff?

[lusty grotto]

and dont eat the fear if you dont have brage up

[unkempt hazel]

hate it here

[pallid quiver]

Stand in the frontal, ignore egg, remove pummel from bars

[jagged pier]

SR fear hello

in p2

[lusty grotto]

right

[zealous goblet]

can u join call and coach me please on ? im super scared! pees carpet 👉 👈

[jagged pier]

wont do damage but u wont take any

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[unkempt hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063600079912566848/1102592648633655406/F8A0D9B0-311A-4013-9F0B-8983CB928CE1.gif

[jagged pier]

i have faith u can work it out

[zealous goblet]

certified moderator behavior

[unkempt hazel]

its cuz u ruined the carpet

[zealous goblet]

probably

idk how mods behave

[final radish]

hi guys. are you using macro for ignor pain + shild slam proc or thunder clap proc

?

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

Can you join call and just shout negative put downs about my ability from a room away, like a deadbeat father who never acknowledges their kid's worth because it reminds them of his ex-wife who left him?

[heavy sparrow]

any tips for Zekvir's ?? fight

[zealous goblet]

save avatar to break free of the slow

[unkempt hazel]

get his hp to 0

[merry sluice]

you had a father??

[pallid quiver]

The most recent topic discussed, so scroll up mostly

[merry sluice]

i thought being fatherless is what created warrior players

all thar rage gotta come from somewhere

[unkempt hazel]

u mean motherless

[merry sluice]

no that's what creatues the abominations known as rogue players

[unkempt hazel]

touche

[gritty eagle]

hm, sac-brood isnt simming that well for me, is the wowhead guide updated? (since its s tier there)

[jagged pier]

what ilvl is it and link sim

[gritty eagle]

@jagged pier 626 and im simming 2min due to several of the ones im comparing to are 2min trinkets, dunno if thats a bad idea, links coming in a minute

im mainly interested in m+, so prerferably a mixture of good st and aoe is what im looking for

[jagged pier]

well if your simming against shard or krados and wondering why on 2 mins they are simming really well i have the answer for u

[gritty eagle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Fs5cRcRrZG3pYUb8XvCiU

naw

thats not it

5 target there

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nbEpkCZ4RB7W1bsxUgnQAF

[ionic fern]

Sacbrood isn't a great aoe trinket dps wise.

[gritty eagle]

st there

[jagged pier]

i mean thats the wrong talent setup as well

[gritty eagle]

ah, didnt think about that

anyway, i could always change and run again, but if the opinion is that sac is s tier ill trust that, i was just wondering 🙂

[heavy sparrow]

you guys wanna see me wipe on zekvir

[jagged pier]

okay some yesterday was saying mage tower was over tuned

its not

[pallid quiver]

but it's supposed to be legion numbers while we have tww numbers

jakey plz understand

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

if i can't heroic throw old content, why it still there

[merry sluice]

heroic throw? too much

if i cant autoattack old content

its too hard

[nocturne vine]

Given having them at the same ivl would you craft the weapon or the shield first at max level

[jagged pier]

it might just be the fight time tbh i would always recommend sack its always giving somthing where some of these arent

[jagged pier]

well nither will be at max, but shield

[nocturne vine]

I meant max crafting level 😝

Thx

[gritty eagle]

@jagged pier fair enough, void pactstone at 619 was simming same in 5 target and slightly more in st, but negliable difference so doesnt matter anyway, ill go with sac

[jagged pier]

shield is the single most important defensive upgrade, wep is the single most important dps upgrade

[zealous goblet]

wrong

biggest dps upgrade is good dps

[merry sluice]

so

you said the hunter being below me all key

got ya

[zealous goblet]

hey stupid meme aside

im looking to clear up my weak aura a little. you guys reckon there's any cds i can stop tracking?

easy example to convey my point, taunt. the default taunt. has anyone seriously needed to track that?

[vital geyser]

big lads whats the +2 sparkle ?

[bleak breach]

Gives automatic 100parse

[zealous goblet]

pretty sure that's the meme embelishment from griftah

he sells an "embelishment"

its just powder that does nothing

i COULD be wrong

[unkempt hazel]

u are

it CLEARLY says it gives +2 sparkle

[vital geyser]

+2 to pump

anyway looks like its a powder to remove embelishment Griftah's All-Purpose Embellishing Powder

[stuck basin]

yes and you can use it to remove an embellishment

[teal laurel]

You'd think dps standing in things then immediately trashtalking the tank would be old hat by now since I pug after midnight

but yet here I am lol

[strong forum]

Nah

People always blame others first, always deflect

Never reflect

[queen hemlock]

honetly do i have to kite in this season?

[zealous goblet]

ey nome outta curiosity do you track ALL your cds?

[marble sundial]

ive been playing brew and i gotta say guys

dont quit prot warrior

[graceful kite]

no

[zealous goblet]

partially. if you're dying it's probably smarter than standing there

[graceful kite]

If you kite you don't generate rage and not cdring

[graceful kite]

I stagger it

[strong forum]

All but rallying cry

[graceful kite]

Say sorry gonna be better even when it's totally their fault

better strat with pugs

[zealous goblet]

i mean you're not wrong i'm literally talking in the most extreme scenario where you have no cds and shit is slamming you you should probably heroic leap and let SOMETHING come back up

maybe your dps kills something and gets you a victorious strike reset

[graceful kite]

in the most extreme yea

[cerulean crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-simpsons-bart-earring-noodleood-gif-20799166

[zealous goblet]

but other than that ye we on the same page

[graceful kite]

or like you pull 1 caster pack thats close to another pack and your ranged dps doesnt interrupt and you kite to safely melee interrupt it

[zealous goblet]

oh true

[zealous goblet]

cheers. im looking to clean up my weakaura a bit. i dont get how people play with so much shit in the middle of their screen

[graceful kite]

but those situations are obvious like you fucked up everything and understanably you have to have an extreme solution

[zealous goblet]

it's a bit of sensory overload for me

mfers will play with 5% of their center screen

[graceful kite]

or you are misplaying and I think people shgould provide an example

Like here on that pull I just can't survive and have to kite

How are you not tracking all your cds?

[zealous goblet]

i track most of them

[graceful kite]

why not all of them?

[zealous goblet]

i HATE cramping the middle of my screen

because i end up staring at the cds

instead of glancing at them

idk why

[graceful kite]

is this overloaded for you?

dafuq is that shield slam reset effect

[zealous goblet]

a smidgeon. wanna see mine?

[graceful kite]

yea

[zealous goblet]

im looking to cut out rallying and probably just regular taunt

MAYBE charge

[graceful kite]

I use charge taunt and other stuff on the lower bars

[zealous goblet]

fun fact, heroic leap resets taunt

why? who fuckin' knows

[graceful kite]

tracking execute is useless I think

[zealous goblet]

it's for raid because you get free resets

i forget the skill

i used to not track it at all

[graceful kite]

you can track a free reset buff

[teal laurel]

Grim forgemaster says hello 😂

[zealous goblet]

you know that's wicked smart. do you happen to know what the buff is called?

[timid nacelle]

How much haste needed now to switch to into the fray?

[graceful kite]

35%+ unbuffed

[teal laurel]

What's that bring tclap down to?

at 35% plus itf

[grizzled orbit]

how do i change so its not - dps? 😛

[timid nacelle]

Still a fair way off then. Thank you

[queen hemlock]

is that the axe sword mace guy

if so well LOL

[zealous goblet]

cheers big dog

[teal laurel]

Sometimes kiting saves your life too like if your healer just eats a fat swirly or something

[graceful kite]

in 10s I never kited

[teal laurel]

And trust me if you pug people will 100% die to the dumbest things imaginable lol

[queen hemlock]

i mean yea if a healer is dead, runnning probably saves me but

[graceful kite]

but I'm not doing hard stuff above

Did full bosses with healer dead and 2-3-4 pack pulls with healer dead just alright

[teal laurel]

Some bosses you can almost tank indefinitely which is kinda nice lol

[grizzled orbit]

ay detail pros here?

[queen hemlock]

just that kiting isnt a main strat right?

[grizzled orbit]

cant ake it work

all these - numbers

[rancid tiger]

Dont set as dps

Set as dmg

Overall

[gritty eagle]

@queen hemlock no, you dont kite outside a few places, the shitters in stone vault that puts the debuff on you you might have to kite until it drops off if stacks are high, nw if you pull 3+ bonecarvers you might start to take a lot of dmg.. but you can probably get around that without kiting if you commit a lot of defensives

at least the impression i have

[grizzled orbit]

i want to see dps :p

[sick grotto]

the stone vault mobs are big pain once they get near 25 ish stacks

[gritty eagle]

25 stacks!?

[shrewd briar]

Anyone has the spell reflect aura for pugs?

[sick grotto]

defensives baby and sometimes will force bsv to beef through it

[gritty eagle]

i start kiting at 15 at most

[sick grotto]

its only 10 tho to be fair

M+ 10

[gritty eagle]

y i dunno, i might play it too safe tho, 25 sounded high

[sick grotto]

yee if its all manageable on my end i dont fuss too much about kiting early

but yeh 25 is probs a bit

[gritty eagle]

@shrewd briar what would be different because its a pug? i use the regular spell reflect essentials

@sick grotto i think people are quite used to the fact the tank has to kite those packs

[sick grotto]

yeah i think im too used to playing with fire mages and ele shamans who hate you moving them outta their aoes

all df stuff think my shaman still dislikes it tho

but yeh i wont strain the healer for it or myself

[green bronze]

done that pull on 11, didn't notice there were any stacks)

[sick grotto]

yee is their any other way to purge them?

or is it actually just let them fall off

[green bronze]

says physical school on wowhead, probably not dispellable

[gritty eagle]

@green bronze if they get bursted down quick + a lot of cc you might not notice it that much i guess

ive never had them dispelled at least

[green bronze]

ye, i guess i was just lucky with good DPS players

at least its not a bleed so you don't die while kiting them)

[gritty eagle]

y

[green bronze]

do they apply that debuff on every melee swing? It says it has no cd or internal cd

[sick grotto]

ahh yeh i hate bleeds honestly tempted to run dwarf

[green bronze]

luckily not many bleed this season, and the ones that we have are manageable

[sick grotto]

yeh some poisons as well tho

some healers cant be trusted my health be dissapearing

[green bronze]

i want to be dwarf as well, but im too cheap to buy race swap, and too lazy to level another warrior

[sick grotto]

mmm just nice to get rid of our biggest weakness

[green bronze]

blizzard should just remove shadowmeld and dwarf racial tbh

and human racial as well

[sick grotto]

mmm yeh im draenei and the racial is nice to be able to heal someone to full

but eh

yeah some racials too good

[green bronze]

ye, im human and its nice that you can get out of stun for free in case you fuck up, but those racials have to go

[shy frost]

@jagged pier on today?

[violet ginkgo]

he will on later I think

[shy frost]

aye

[grizzled orbit]

at 595 ilvl as prot, what wud u do to gear, run those +5?

[green bronze]

do delves until 605, then spam +7s

[gritty eagle]

@grizzled orbit if you dont feel its too boring, delves are very efficient as long as you have keys

[grizzled orbit]

delves drops 605 in every run? what layer

[gritty eagle]

606 at 8s

[violet ginkgo]

if he said do delve he mean do +8s

[grizzled orbit]

can u do it solo?

[violet ginkgo]

and unlock the end chest with coffer keys

[green bronze]

they drop 603 champion gear in a bountiful t8, you can also get 610 hero if you have map

[gritty eagle]

at 595 you can easily do 8s on prot

[grizzled orbit]

cool, does it matter what "cave"

[gritty eagle]

its actually 606 i believe

[violet ginkgo]

do the bountiful one doesn't matter

[gritty eagle]

no

youre right, mb

[violet ginkgo]

but you must have a coffer key

[grizzled orbit]

hmm as fury or prot? 😄 think i unlocked to 8

[green bronze]

true, but he is likely inexperienced as prot, might be hard in that ilvl for him

[green bronze]

its much easier in prot i believe

[gritty eagle]

personally prefer prot, quicker overall, run dps brann

[strong forum]

[grizzled orbit]

this key right?

[gritty eagle]

y

[onyx matrix]

Yeah

[zealous goblet]

show me your screen right now

[grizzled orbit]

Cool, so prot, and brahm dps in +8, got it

[zealous goblet]

it better look like a fucking game and not an excel spreadsheet

[onyx matrix]

Im amazed how some pugs still stand in crap during delve runs even if its 1 mechanic 😂

[green bronze]

you get 4 keys from weekly activities each week, so do them so you have more keys, its only 4 bountiful delves per day tho, so don't bother doing more then 4 each day

[zealous goblet]

"guys i love my +16 keys!"

[green bronze]

i think you might be able to hit 600+ ilvl today and try pushing some m+

[zealous goblet]

dudes playing like this

[onyx matrix]

Good old togc

[grizzled orbit]

oh i got 2 of them now

[green bronze]

its likely a restoration shaman in wrath, they didn't need to see anything aside from frames in that era)

[strong forum]

There

[zealous goblet]

acceptable, but room for improvement

neck the raid frames fuck 'em

care about yourself only

[strong forum]

[zealous goblet]

in fact

im talenting out of rallying cry

[strong forum]

I'll give you room for improvement boy

[zealous goblet]

drink a health potion losers

we gonna go ahead and pick up a choice node for intimidating shout

200% more damage to break it

new meta

[violet ginkgo]

brann's dps spec is more gg than our dps spec?

[green bronze]

ofc, fury and arms suck ass

[gritty eagle]

@violet ginkgo without high ilvl i felt you had to pull carefully as fury so it takes long, and with prot you can pull larger, and i think health are higher with dps spec also in delves no?

felt like it took longer on fury anyway

[violet ginkgo]

but why they nerf fury and arms again if suck ass, shouldn't they buff it instead of nerfing it?

[green bronze]

idk, ask blizzard

[strong forum]

My brann is turbo useless as dps

Literally afk

[zealous goblet]

it's to simulate having a real dps

he even briefly "leaves the group" after you die for extra immersion

[gritty eagle]

huh? i think he did like 30-40% of my dps as prot, maybe that says more about my dps tho

or that i have a high lvl brann

[strong forum]

My brann is lvl 39 and only does like 200k dps

Dude does fuckall

[violet ginkgo]

how high is your brann netto? I only do 8 delves per week so right now only lvl 40

[gritty eagle]

maybe healer brann is better at this point then, i just remember early on people said healer brann does fuckall 😄

[strong forum]

Healer brann does smth now

That's how I beat zekvir t2 before it was easy

[gritty eagle]

i did zekvir t2 as fury, so def rann healer brann there 😄

[zealous goblet]

does dps brann target the eggs?

[strong forum]

I did it as arms cuz fury didn't have enough dmg to break the egg

[zealous goblet]

i wanna do it as prot

[green bronze]

its unlikely that you will need any healing in t8 delves, im pretty sure dps brann still does more damage than heal brann

[zealous goblet]

i dont wanna learn and bind keys for arms and fury

[gritty eagle]

i didnt keep up with when it was nerfed etc, but i prob did it after nerfs then, i thought the eggs really easy to break as fury

[strong forum]

My eggs had 12mil hp

Dunno how much they have now

[quiet trellis]

Need some tanking help. What do you do about the ranged mobs in m+?

[shy frost]

Got some great feedbacks yesterday. Was not able to reach 70 ish CPM. But, it helped. Got ass nibbled by the first packs. Anyone got other pointers? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DvwcBQCZHRtghb9P#fight=1&type=summary @jagged pier

[strong forum]

Kick them so they move in, otherwise move the melee mobs ontop of them

[gritty eagle]

surely a lot less, i didnt even save cds for them as dps spec

[strong forum]

Yeah nah when I did it you had to save all cds for eggs

[shy frost]

for the SV +9 run

[gritty eagle]

too bad you cant get zekvir t3 (as the unnerfed version), would've like to try that at some point

[azure dagger]

what pieces should i craft if i wanna swap between arms/prot and am just doing heroics/up to 10s

[strong forum]

People would riot cuz they would feel compelled to do it cuz it exists but it was horribly imbalanced

[gritty eagle]

zekvir was quite a lot easier than tank mage tower (when it was re released in legion) i thought, would've like something a long those line

[strong forum]

Only a few specs could do it

[gritty eagle]

to be fair i didnt evne know tank specs that that point tho

[strong forum]

If you want to play both, craft wrists and cloak with crit embellish

[gritty eagle]

@strong forum haha ok, ill rephrase, maybe not as the unnerfed version, but a bit harder than current version

[azure dagger]

i have the shattered sorrow cloak on heroic otherwise i would 😦

[strong forum]

Then craft on bracers + boots/belt

[azure dagger]

ok ty ty

[violet ginkgo]

How lucky you are lacey

[graceful kite]

if you're playing spec without support you can make them party style but smaller and top left of the screen

classic move

[gritty eagle]

at what point would you guys start running prot loot spec if you have crafterd 636 weap/shield, when you have 2 good myth track trinkets or before that?

[shy frost]

How are you guys able to get >70 CPM. Like I mash buttons and struggle to get around 65. Not able to see what I am missing. I often prioritize IP over revenge. Can that be the reason?

[graceful kite]

like that

[green bronze]

might just mean you don't generate enough rage, maybe tied to your build or just lower gear or smaller pulls, you shouldn't aim for higher cpm unless you are wasting a lot of rage

[graceful kite]

are you playing colossus or thane? colossus is around 65 apm iirc

thane can do up to 90

[shy frost]

I am playing thane

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DvwcBQCZHRtghb9P#fight=1&type=summary&source=269

here is the log. dont think I waste lots of rage. I can see that I am absorbing much damage due to IP.

hard to see how I can increase the CPM by 20%, might just be me

[green bronze]

try bigger pulls, your apm will increase cause you will have more rage

[shy frost]

that might be the case. most chaning has been on the "safer" side of things.

[gritty eagle]

is that a thing people care about?

[shy frost]

compared the log with another and I am 20% below in rage generation

10 - 11 keys that is.

[green bronze]

cpm mostly tied to rage generation cause you need to spam IP to not overcap, big rage gen also means that you are spamming slam, which also means increased apm

but you should generally try to just not waste rage and you will be fine

and use anger management to the max, always press avatar on cd

[zealous goblet]

where the fuck are people squeezing 90 unless this is like, best case scenario

it seems my personal best is 75 based on the logs available to me for dungeons

[graceful kite]

you get hit by a lot of stuff get a lot of rage and use a lot of ip

it's not constant its peak

[jagged pier]

in combat its 90 logs take the time between pulls into account

[zealous goblet]

oh ok i almost had a stroke

[graceful kite]

when u're fighting a single boss your apm will be lower cuz less rage

[zealous goblet]

i was wondering "am i really wasting 1/3 of potential cpm?"

[gritty eagle]

seems cpm is around 70-75 in high keys - at least when i checked a few

is it really a interesting metric to care about anyway?

[zealous goblet]

remind me, how do i check wasted rage?

[jagged pier]

much better well improved! keep plugging away but generally very good

[zealous goblet]

nvm found it

looks like i waste about 200-300 rage on average

per dungeon

[jolly sedge]

Fresh prot here usually dps. quick question. is there a way to macro ravanger and spear together? or is it not advisable to do this?

[green bronze]

you don't generally care about it, but having it low in high keys means you are lacking something

[zealous goblet]

i was curious because those violent outburst shield slams are spicy as fuck

[jolly sedge]

also reading your convo whats cpm?

[zealous goblet]

children per minute

jk, casts per minute

[green bronze]

i have wasted 1.8k rage💀 in necrotic 10 while having 80 cpm(86 active) xd

necrotic wake is mad fun

[azure dagger]

🚮

[gritty eagle]

@green bronze what does that mean then? you had bigger pulls than the guy that wasted less rage but lower CPM? or that you have more haste?

[green bronze]

it just means that pulls in necrotic are very big and i couldn't use all my rage even when having 86 active cpm

[jagged pier]

u will have wasted rage as thane

just look at the % not the amount

[gritty eagle]

fair enough

[plush brook]

My fellow tank brothers, I've been assaulted by Redditors. Can you please help me decipher what I said that is controversial enough to get me 34 downvotes? Am I wrong?

[jagged pier]

its reddit u just dont go there

[plush brook]

Fair enough. I'm just really curious about what people got angry about. He said "No one invites me", I suggusted a solution (thinkingface)

[jagged pier]

as i understand it reddit is a place for ppl who think they are good and arent and will make any excuse up to not hear the truth

[sweet summit]

how is the best gear being locked behind somewhat difficult content bad? (other than vault rng xd)

[graceful kite]

no its the internet

[plush brook]

100%

[shy frost]

Yeah. The comparisons helped a lot, got me a set of great pointers. I feel more tanky. Skin of a rhino. Thanks a million.

[graceful kite]

you voiced an opinion and people disagreed who cares

unless you just want karma or whatever that reddit thing is called

[plush brook]

It's more that I wanted to understand how anyone could disagree haha

[sweet summit]

delusional ggykw

[gritty eagle]

@plush brook he wasnt interested in your suggestion, he wanted support in his complaint

or people agreed with his complaint i mean

[calm cove]

Problem is mostly if you got a key that people think is shit, which is probably only somewhat fair for grim batol because the timer there is much tighter than other dungeons

[plush brook]

Yeah I get that. I would just drop it and run someone elses lower key anr reroll it though

[calm cove]

Ye that is just gonna take extra time, a lot of m+ problems just involve deleting 20-30min intervals

I can understand why people object to that

I don't get the complaints about dungeon choice for their difficulty tho

I wouldn't say any one of them is particularly offensive when it comes to difficulty compared to others, the timers in 4 boss dungeons are just shorter relative to the 3 boss dungeons

[plush brook]

Agree

[sharp gale]

I disagree 😈

[graceful kite]

being a solo dps in m+ is a horrible experience I'd be mad all the time too

[sharp gale]

I don’t know I’m not shy enough to not be in a guild even if I don’t raid

[round pendant]

yeah dpsing in m+ is awful

Have fun finding groups or having tanks/healers apply to yours

[graceful kite]

worst thing is when you get a healer and they leave while you're looking for a tank

or reverse

[round pendant]

They need to remove depletion simply because it'd make people less picky and I could actually run my own key without having it bricked and having to resort to wasting my time by running a key I've already done or hoping groups will accept me

[plush brook]

This is my first season tanking, just played DPS before and never had issues forming my own keys. Maybe I've been lucky. Never been higher than 3.1K rio though, so might not be totally representative.

My trick is to never invite DPS until I had both tank and healer

[graceful kite]

because they leave and join a group that already has tank or healer and it's a minute for them and you're back to 30min hell

before cross realm m+ alliance m+ was just hellscape

there were like 30 people doing high keys

[sharp gale]

When you change you role just to bait a healer or a tank

[round pendant]

I just simply don't believe you

[graceful kite]

cant do it on a pure dps tho

[round pendant]

Every time I've tried to play dps I give up and go back to tanking because who enjoys waiting 15+ minutes to form a group every single time

[graceful kite]

I just tank or heal if my class can tank or heal

[round pendant]

so much wasted time

[plush brook]

Fair enough, that's up to you brother. I'll add that I've only played M+ seriously from Shadowlands S1 and forward, so my experience is limited

(or sister)

[round pendant]

Every person I've ever spoken to about this acknowledges the long ass time it takes to form groups

[graceful kite]

If finding m+ as dps would be easy I'd just play destruction warlock

[round pendant]

Only people having fun are premades I feel like

[sharp gale]

Does it count if I played hunter for couple days of m+ at the start ? Bc I didn’t had any issue but maybe people just want bl

[plush brook]

I guess I've been lucky, or patient haha

[graceful kite]

it's the most chill experience I had in wow ever

[plush brook]

S3 Shadowlands, take me back to spamming infernals

[graceful kite]

nah any expansion

You press 3 buttons stay in range with infinite sprint and 2 teleports and shit ton of hp and chill

[sharp gale]

I would take you but only if it’s boralus

[plush brook]

Speaking of Boralus, is it weird that I kinda like it? Ran a +9 yesterday and it was so chill

[sharp gale]

Bc all warlock i took disappointed me so now i have warlock racism

[round pendant]

They just need to remove depletion it'd solve so many problems

I guess you could have the issue of people just insta leaving if the first pack doesn't go 100% smoothly

[jagged pier]

no its chill if your group arnt mongos

[round pendant]

but I think that'd be a minority

[sharp gale]

Im 100% for that

Even if I never depleted a key

[graceful kite]

its much more chill now

no azerite charge and grip overlaps anymore

[round pendant]

still, I need to do +10s, getting accepted into +10s rn is rough and running your own key runs the risk of some idiot in your group griefing and making you have to run a +9 again

not fun

[sharp gale]

I feel kinda sad the last room taking those 2 adds alone just bc of the grap

[round pendant]

I gain NOTHING from +9s except gilded crests which I don't care about because gear isn't a limiting factor for me

so sad

[graceful kite]

Yep and the gripping dude wasnt there in bfa

[sharp gale]

I miss doggos

[graceful kite]

nah nobody misses doggos

[round pendant]

tried to run a +9 siege yesterday, dps griefed first boss, died, then left

[sharp gale]

Yes nobody but it is nostalgia (there are doggos in the plaza before the first boss)

[graceful kite]

I did +10 mists yesterday and 1 boss fight was over 7 minutes long

I liked it

[sharp gale]

Second boss of mists I don’t what they did to it

Just to be a 50% more time then any boss

[graceful kite]

its easier now then it was before

[eager phoenix]

are you using the lines to kill the guessing game copy?

[graceful kite]

cuz dodge ball does damage to ads

[sharp gale]

I don’t

[plush brook]

And to this weeks affix

[graceful kite]

and the fox has much less hp

[plush brook]

or did I dream that?

[round pendant]

GB final boss nerf made the boss a joke btw

[eager phoenix]

can also kill the fox with the lines. but less important if you have some foolproof cc like root

[sharp gale]

The tentacule change a week ago when they changed his size and tencule colors ?

[graceful kite]

in every run with a monk fox ignored rop btw

no idea why

just ran through it

[round pendant]

Yeah, less circles in the circle too and whelps do 1/3rd of the damage they did before

overall super ez fight now

especially if you have a dk to suck up all the tentacles

[bleak breach]

Wouldn’t say easy, but it’s easier lol

Definitely if you have a DK

[graceful kite]

you can suck them yourself

they're not a problem

[round pendant]

that's true

I forgot spell reflect works for that, which is really weird

[bleak breach]

How do you do the tentacles as Prot?

[round pendant]

is there literally any other interaction like that with SR

[sharp gale]

The boss was not really a menace in my opinion, people in 10 still run into their add on the third boss….

[round pendant]

Usually it's one and done but it seems it's the entire duration lmao

[graceful kite]

spell reflect and run over them while it lasts

[plush brook]

Spell Reflect makes you immune for the eintirety

[round pendant]

just do zekvir

[graceful kite]

or dont do delves at all

[tribal wharf]

it came from twitter

[bleak breach]

Interesting, is that for one tentacle or all you run through while it’s up?

[sharp gale]

Since the heroic raid opened I never saw a delve anymore

M+*

Not the raid sry

[round pendant]

all of them

which is really unintuitive cause SR doesn't work like that for anything else ever

[bleak breach]

Yeah that’s what I was just thinking

[round pendant]

It's so weird that I think it has to be unintended

[bleak breach]

Thanks, I will do that next time I’m there.

[bleak breach]

Yeah, it sounds like it.

Does spell block work on them? Or literally just reflect?

[sharp gale]

I think it’s bc SR can’t find a target to reflect it so is not consumed

[round pendant]

probably

[tribal wharf]

i would treat it as a bug personally that will get fixed at some point

[graceful kite]

its very unimportant

[sharp gale]

For me I see it as a bug too

[tribal wharf]

but i would use the hell out of knowing that until they did fix it

cuz it doesnt really break the game in a meaningful way

[sharp gale]

But unimportant yes, there is almost no tentacles now

[bleak breach]

Was there changes to it this reset?

I did it last week and the room was still riddled with them

[sharp gale]

No i don’t think saw (a change about tentacle)

[tribal wharf]

first time i ran zero GB, i didnt know what to do and i got trapped by tentacles and consumed by the darkness around me

so, naturally

i havent been back!

[sharp gale]

They reduce the number of AoE when you are in the circle

The spread circle

[graceful kite]

there's a bigger bug in gb on 3rd boss

I hope they fix that one it's dumb

developers aren't playing the game tho so they might not know it

[tribal wharf]

thats a very obvious bug by sounds of things

and if that was a bug that swung favorably.

instantly killed the entire boss

it would get patched in 2 hours

and youd get in trouble for using it

[sharp gale]

You talk about the bug for having 1 add ?

[graceful kite]

y

[tribal wharf]

you wont for tentacles cuz its only 1 guy affecting, and mechanics skip from sounds

thats the meme "devs dont play the game" but im not entirely sold on that

[sharp gale]

I did it by accident the first week I thought it got patched

[graceful kite]

tentacle clearing is a bug in the same way half of out reflect interactions work

because we should be able to deflect puddles on the ground

[keen furnace]

hello there, how we can calculate how much absorbe we got after IP use?

[zealous goblet]

It says it in the skill

[tribal wharf]

isnt max ip just ip x 2?

[zealous goblet]

It stacks too

[keen furnace]

it's total max IP

[tribal wharf]

but, its not that you spam IP when full of rage to have a big absorb on you

its to fuel anger managment

[grizzled orbit]

how often do we use revange?

[jagged pier]

depends on your hero talent of choice

[tribal wharf]

depends, as col, alot, as thane, rare

[sharp gale]

Yes I don’t undertand bc I press ip even if it’s full

[zealous goblet]

Dead last on rotation unless you're rounding up mobs on a pull and mess up thunderclap

[tribal wharf]

because it fuels anger management

read what that talent does

[keen furnace]

yeah, but i want calculate, should we use it or not

[grizzled orbit]

oh i been spaming it

[sharp gale]

Your rage tells you if you should use it

Not the amount

[zealous goblet]

We use ip mainly to spend rage. The mitigation is just a small bonus. It's off gcd and you reduce the cd on avatar and heals you because of talents

[cursive jacinth]

am i going to have a bad time tanking in my fury set with 15k haste and 11k mastery?

[sharp gale]

It’s a rage dump even if you already have 2 m+ IP

[round pendant]

no it's fine

[bleak breach]

Heaps in colossus, not much in Thane

[zealous goblet]

Yeah the primary goal of using it is to just benefit from the talents

And to dunp rage of course

Your only other rage cost is revenge, right? And that shit is gcd locked and eats better gcds

[cursive jacinth]

is colosus the more used hero talen tree?

[zealous goblet]

No. Thane is.

[sharp gale]

Revenge is Gcd and doesn’t spend a lot

[round pendant]

nah thane is better

[tribal wharf]

this is a very simple flow chart of spending rage

[bleak breach]

Just press buttons

You’ll be okay

[tribal wharf]

there is many reasons we hit IP

that may not make sense

until you think about it

[bleak breach]

There’s 2

Defensive and AM

Don’t overcomplicate it

[tribal wharf]

highest rage amount to dump, partially becuse it is i instant cast

[tribal wharf]

but, yeah, thats basically it

[fluid widget]

https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

[bleak breach]

The only time you ever really need to worry about rage you spend is in Colossus. Playing Thane you generate so much rage it’s hard to spend.

[tribal wharf]

someone new to this spec would have a hard time understanding what to spend resources on to play it correctly left to own devices

[strong forum]

ignore_pain,if=target.health.pct>=20&(rage.deficit<=15&cooldown.shield_slam.ready|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_charge.ready&talent.champions_bulwark.enabled|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.shield_charge.ready|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.avatar.ready|rage.deficit<=45&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.avatar.ready&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=20|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=55&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=17&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled|rage.deficit<=18&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled)|(rage>=70|buff.seeing_red.stack=7&rage>=35)&cooldown.shield_slam.remains<=1&buff.shield_block.remains>=4&set_bonus.tier31_2pc,use_off_gcd=1

Just tell em this

[cursive jacinth]

is this one button i can pusgh to finally be the tank god i was meant to be

[bleak breach]

I’m scared

[zealous goblet]

convert this to english

[strong forum]

If next cast would rage cap, use ignore pain

That's all it is

[zealous goblet]

understood

[cursive jacinth]

look better if psoted in a box actulaly has linebreaks

[zealous goblet]

have you considered putting 2 points into 30 max rage more

[tribal wharf]

no

its not a good idea

[zealous goblet]

so you can neglect your prot warrior rotation more and soft int your

ye

i was following up with a meme

rude

gosh

[cursive jacinth]

tried to see if google translate could translate it for me and it seperated the lines

[zealous goblet]

my friends keep trying to tell me to take intervene

but i love my 5% move speed

i will die on this hill

i am speed

[strong forum]

You can play overwhelming rage in raid

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/mcqueen-gif-9449693085032454841

FUCKING AUTO MOD

I... AM.. BEING A.. POOPY HEAD.

[limber cosmos]

does anyone have an idea of our secondary stat balance for m+ regarding crit vs verse. I have 30% haste and 24% crit (12.8k) but only 1.4k verse. I feel like thats not the best split for my living situation

[zealous goblet]

ok.

auto mod holds me hostage

[strong forum]

Secondary stats beyond haste basically do not affect your survivability

Don't sweat it

[graceful kite]

Sim yourself

[zealous goblet]

also too early in the xpac to be picky about whatcha get

or the season, atleast

we grinding for those juicy ilvls

[strong forum]

I myself only have like 1.8k vers and I'm bing chilling in keys

Literally doesn't matter

[zealous goblet]

i have a myth track helmet to protect all my brain cell

[graceful kite]

I have like 10k mastery

[strong forum]

Ilvl is what matters most, then haste

[limber cosmos]

I mean i still have to get my second ring and i can craft a few pieces. My question is should i look to go haste/verse or just go all out on haste/crit

[bleak breach]

Just haste

[strong forum]

Haste/crit has more impact offensively and is better for big pulls

[bleak breach]

Next stat doesn’t matter

[strong forum]

Vers is better if you want flat damage reduction

[graceful kite]

Droptimizer on raidbots has craft sim

[limber cosmos]

i know but it does DPS sims, i was concerned about my survival for 12+

[tribal wharf]

to add to what you said, trinkets get a slight buff in effect (dmg heal absorb etc) numbes

[strong forum]

Like I stated twice before

[tribal wharf]

from versa

[limber cosmos]

thanks for the answers!

[fluid widget]

How much haste do up theoretically need for 100% shield block with ITF?

[strong forum]

Stats don't matter beyond haste

[bleak breach]

Ilvl and good gameplay are the only thing that will help in a 12

[strong forum]

100%

[fluid widget]

Technically correct

[bleak breach]

Haste obviously too

[fluid widget]

The best kind of correct

[strong forum]

No I mean literally

You need 100% haste

Actually no

67%

67% haste perma

[fluid widget]

Oh wow

[strong forum]

To get 100% block uptime with ITF

[tribal wharf]

i mean thats not that much haste really

[fluid widget]

So we won’t drop HR until next season or so in keys

[tribal wharf]

should be really easy

[strong forum]

Yeah im starting to run keys with HR now

[stone moat]

…

[strong forum]

Cuz we don't have the haste affix anymore

So I do have alot of block downtime which is cancer

[stone moat]

Itf enjoyer here

Come to the dark side

[fluid widget]

Some day, I’m still learning how to be a good prot warrior

[strong forum]

You mean the side that has to eat unblocked hits? Yeah

Not fun to "randomly" lose hp in a regular ass pull

Cuz you don't have 25k haste

[fluid widget]

I tried the execute build in raid yesterday, wildly fun but I could feel the pain

[strong forum]

With that build you hold SB charges until you actively tank

[tribal wharf]

just gotta have 25k mastery, then you block EVERY melee passively

problem solved

[fluid widget]

It was just chilling with folks on normal but yeah I had to relearn playing

[bleak breach]

Yeah, I’m just running HR until we have the appropriate stats.

No point running weird builds and getting wrecked

[hearty stump]

Why am I seeing people run ITF at 25% haste?

[fluid widget]

It’s nice to see so much variation and debate about builds

[bleak breach]

It’s nice to see variation if it’s correct

Not if you’re leading people to a quick death

[frosty mango]

The same reason you see people dying at 25% haste

[strong forum]

Cuz people refuse to play HR cuz it "feels bad" not to have ITF

[bleak breach]

This

[hearty stump]

I don't see these guys dying often

[tribal wharf]

i have a new solution

remove haste from the game

[fluid widget]

Yoda’s build is strange

[hearty stump]

That what has me confused really. It's like he's running a suboptimal build and ploughing through things?

[strong forum]

Welcome to every tank ever

[fluid widget]

I can get BSV but I don’t get no spear

[strong forum]

If you play enough and have a general understanding of keys

You can push keys even when you're not that good at the class itself

Proven a billion times before

[hearty stump]

So it's a "us mortals" build vs "them" build

[potent anvil]

When will a top prot warr play colossus.

[strong forum]

Their builds are just w/e they feelycrafted and felt works for them

[graceful kite]

No

[hearty stump]

I guess they have the added variable of a coordinated, experienced group that can work around that.

[graceful kite]

Its they have a bad build

[limber cosmos]

Kira is colossus if im not wrong

[graceful kite]

Thats it

[bleak breach]

The builds here are the optimal builds for most situations

[strong forum]

They are all trying out shit, when the talent builds have had been figured out 2 years ago

[potent anvil]

On a side note. I'm only 605 and +10s feel like a joke. Prot owns.

[bleak breach]

Super sweaty players like that can play anything and do well

[potent anvil]

Really? Last I checked he was Thane. But could be wrong.

[hearty stump]

I'm just having a difficult time understanding ITF and how they're able to maintain shieldblock 24/7 at 25% haste

[strong forum]

They don't

[hearty stump]

Because shield block down - dead afaik

mostly

[frosty mango]

One outlier who exists in a scenario that doesn’t compare to literally anyone else’s scenario isn’t a valid comparison

[nocturne vine]

Number 2 is

[bleak breach]

Not dead, you just take big damage

[strong forum]

Nah you can play around gaps by microkiting or cover with other CDs

That's what I've been doing this week

But I cba

[hearty stump]

But it exists. That's why I'm somewhat confused. How do they actually make it work, is it worth replicating and so forth.

[strong forum]

Feels like ass

[strong forum]

You're already putting in more thought than they are

[bleak breach]

Yeah, it’s not pleasant once your health starts spiking and you’re burning cds to cover

[hearty stump]

Probably

[graceful kite]

Those keys arent the top, ilvl is still not maxed and they playing with aug

[zealous goblet]

i'm led to believe that top players also play with other good players

[strong forum]

And they also play 16hrs a day

[zealous goblet]

chances are your pug healers are gonna have suicidal thoughts if their tank suddenly requires a shit ton of spot healing

[jagged pier]

Their healer

[strong forum]

With other people who also play 16hrs a day

[hearty stump]

@storm ivy HMMM

[bleak breach]

Their groups don’t miss interrupts, don’t miss CC and are the top dps of their specs.

Us average people especially in pugs make mistakes.

[frosty mango]

TLDR for 99.9% of warriors if they walk into a 11/12 with itf then shield block WILL fall off at some point and you will fall over because neither you or your group are big brain enough to deal with it

[graceful kite]

Every day is a yoda build discussion day

[frosty mango]

That’s what it boils down to

They are better, a lot better

[zealous goblet]

now this doesn't mean bring BSV on a fuckin 4, it just means strive for better rotation and be one less factor in the pug environment

a consistent good thing

[graceful kite]

One day ill believe in a conspiracy that he is running that shit on purpose to drive up engagement

[bleak breach]

I mean 10s are nasty if you make mistakes, let alone 11/12s

[hearty stump]

Yeah, but then I presume it's more of a - they get to play a spec that's more optimal for them - i.e. faster gameplay with ITF by utilizing the benefits that they have from their group - no missed kicks, everything's done and sorted.

[strong forum]

I just cba having block downtime, which is funny cuz they are risking block downtime with playing ITF

And don't wanna play, HR

But then pick bsv

[hearty stump]

risk/reward?

[strong forum]

No what I'm saying is

They say their builds are made to be tanky

But then literally play a less tanky talent

Cuz not playing it "feels bad"

[zealous goblet]

refer to this

[strong forum]

So they are actively creating moments where they are at chance of dying

To gain potential 6% aoe dmg

[hearty stump]

I see. They're making it 'more fun' for themselves at a higher risk, but then they at the same time try and mitigate that by running BSV and high vers

[frosty mango]

People also don’t see the literal hundreds of keys they brick practicing

[strong forum]

Nah not rly

They just think that HR isn't necessary

Until someone else shows up with higher rio

And then swap to HR

Proof -> DF s1

Everyone played ITF

Until Andy showed up as r1 rio with HR

And suddenly everyone copied "andys" build

[hearty stump]

Isn't that basically happening now with ITF? Everyones running HR and there's a few up there running ITF?

[strong forum]

(it was my build that I made 3 months prior)

[jagged pier]

Which was nomes build

[strong forum]

Nah

[zealous goblet]

nome being forced to live groundhog day as a guide writer, he can recall the 1st season's events because he's been through it hundreds, if not thousands of times

[strong forum]

Literally a repeat of DF s1 happening again

[jagged pier]

But no andy this tine

[hearty stump]

Given that it's the start of the season with people not having optimal gear and just barely breaking 12s

[strong forum]

It'll take a few months until meta settles

Until people have gear

on multiple characters

[hearty stump]

Aye, valid.

[strong forum]

This is still just launch bullshit

[hearty stump]

I guess if we can casually get to 35-40 haste then ITF might make sense?

[strong forum]

Si

ITF was fine to play for the most part

[hearty stump]

Speaking of - at what point do we want to swap more into vers over crit?

[strong forum]

Cuz we had the haste affix and then mastery affix

[zealous goblet]

never

[strong forum]

Never

[jagged pier]

I dunno hr feel fine to play for ne at least i just feel most of these ppl dont play the class at the right pace

[hearty stump]

bruh

i s2g

[strong forum]

There's no point to it

Haste is the only thing that matters

Beyond that secondary stats are just fluff

[strong forum]

They are all good for what they do

[jagged pier]

Crit is more dr in keys generally anyways cause parry stronk

[hearty stump]

Oh.

I thought - I'm jumping into 12s. Need more vers. Vault gave me that one.

[strong forum]

Vers isn't gonna make you survive

Playing correct does

[jagged pier]

^^

[frosty mango]

Imagine being nom, put a ton of effort into writing a guide, explaining clearly why choices are made, then still having to beat the logic into the streamer loving masses

[jagged pier]

Yer we choose our battles here

[zealous goblet]

nome is a streamer

[strong forum]

Being a pioneer isn't easy

[hearty stump]

Don't watch a single streamer. Not sure why you're shooting there buckaroo

[zealous goblet]

maybe he should choose to be more famous

[jagged pier]

We also had to fight vers since bfa

Its never going to die

[frosty mango]

Thems fightin words

[strong forum]

Nah chief im just beyond wanting to deal with it

[hearty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/put-em-up-wizard-of-oz-cowardly-lion-boxing-challenge-gif-18463476

[zealous goblet]

yeah because stacking vers gives damage reduction (m*me)

[strong forum]

People choose what they want to believe

I can't force anybody

I can just bring them facts

Whatever they want to believe is up to them

[bleak breach]

I haven’t even timed a 10 yet and people doing 12s 😭

[jagged pier]

They will all be playing the meta tank or seap to nomes builds anyway the excise will be now we have gear but eh at least the talent are right

[strong forum]

14s

[hearty stump]

It's just more to do with the fact that you look at the guys who are doing the keys that you're trying to do, and they're running different stats - so you inherently aim to follow that.

[bleak breach]

I don’t get to play a lot outside raid in fairness. Probably only done 20 keys or so total

[jagged pier]

Pushing this early

[gritty eagle]

well, i would've guessed the big majority or "normal players" will go to wowhead and copy build rather than play "a streamer build" no?