protection

[dark cosmos]

in pugs i dont even pull those

[sharp gale]

avatar

[vale karma]

you have to

[dark cosmos]

you do not

[vale karma]

really?

[molten gorge]

it's the little guys

you don't have to pull them

[dark cosmos]

wait its the flying ones?

[vale karma]

isn't it the flying dudes?

nvm

[dark cosmos]

i thought it was the dudes

[molten gorge]

no

[vale karma]

I am wrong

[hexed onyx]

had it on cd as they mancers stun more than I have leap

[molten gorge]

flying dudes do the blood? I think?

[dark cosmos]

No i thought it was the side short guys

[molten gorge]

and the charge thing

[sharp gale]

it's the little ones putting puddles that slows you

[dark cosmos]

ya

[molten gorge]

Yup

[strong forum]

that pull is demon

[dark cosmos]

i just dont pull that in pugs lol

[molten gorge]

you can send it down mid

[dark cosmos]

problem solved

^ ya play early trash -> go down mid

[tribal wharf]

i have to pull final boss of threads out and then players have to avoid the balls to not get snared, right,
and also on boss 2 threads the twins, after the dashing, do i have to keep them together or they deal group dmg? so which would i be always moving to

2 questions not 1

[sharp gale]

i dont know it worked really fine in 10 / the first time i tried the pull / it went too easily

[molten gorge]

can do like this instead, and that's 100%

[sharp gale]

mm0 pulls

[dark cosmos]

snared as in slowed? players have to avoid the balls just to not die anyway
if you mean the root, the root isnt optional

the way to do it though is move as a group, wait for balls to start moving -> move as group, repeat

[edgy bone]

Im guessing this is all just for % right

Pull 13 is impossible

[molten gorge]

Ya

lol

sorry

[dark cosmos]

cause the balls are baited to players so if you arent stacked they just go everywhere and its gigacringe

[molten gorge]

I amended quick

to show

[vale karma]

where do you get count then? before 2nd boss?

[molten gorge]

the pulls before 13 is what i do on 11 🤷‍♂️

[vale karma]

pull and extra big scarab

[molten gorge]

works fine

[sharp gale]

sometimes i do the "until spider pull" but it is pretty much what i do

[molten gorge]

ya that looks good

[vale karma]

I've been going top side on the circle

[molten gorge]

imo 3 and 4 are fine together tho

[sharp gale]

pugs

[vale karma]

granted it was only a 9 so prob whatever, gonna try the other way

[molten gorge]

I do hate random people

[dark cosmos]

this isnt actually my route

[molten gorge]

those I think are fine with pug tho tbh

[dark cosmos]

but you can get enough count just by doing lots of firest room trash

[molten gorge]

just not to spider with pugs

[dark cosmos]

as an example

[sharp gale]

prefer to not stress randoms, ara is so overtimed

[molten gorge]

big true tbf

[molten gorge]

pull 8 is hot

[dark cosmos]

ya that +10 timer is tight you know

gotta do what u gotta do

[molten gorge]

[dark cosmos]

When people are under % on ara they usually just didnt clear the first boss platform i find, in pugs at least

[sharp gale]

i love the pull 7 is so weird compared to the next

[dark cosmos]

Agaihn im not saying thats the optimal route but thats a way to do it

[dark cosmos]

saving cds

trust me

you want cds for pull 8

[sharp gale]

gotta need them with the add reducing damage around him just before the boss

DMG MORE

[vale karma]

that add with 50% reduced damage is so troll if the affix spawn

you just sit there wailling on them

[dark cosmos]

I dont think they deal group damage? UNless ive completely missed that somehow - but you want to move together for cleave ofc. One is always melee so you just move to the ranged one

A lot of that fight is cringe though and they just run around or stay apart ofc, nothing you can do

[sharp gale]

the last boss of CoT what i understood how you do it : everyone stack on tank and back when balls comes

[dark cosmos]

yup

[vale karma]

do you ever sepparate the last two adds in COT?

[dark cosmos]

you need to be stacked for weave (the root) anyways and ideally for adds
everyone moves out before tankbuster is all, then back in

[dark cosmos]

Always

[sharp gale]

always for me too

i'm afraid of the root at the same time of stomp

[dark cosmos]

ya very dangerous imo

even high keys they play them seperate

[sharp gale]

and if you have not depleted yet it means you destroyed the dungeon so you have time

[dark cosmos]

(for now at least)

[sharp gale]

i'm the one slowing the pace in my mind the more i reach the end when i see the key is in +2 timing

[potent anvil]

What embellishments do I want for max dam?

[vale karma]

I had a group which was very adamant that that tankbuster is purely tank responsibility, like you have to leap out to avoid mesing their dps and then charge back

we died 😦

[molten gorge]

why would you not run out?

you don't even need to leap

[vale karma]

dunno, I am bad

[molten gorge]

I just run back

[dark cosmos]

what

i always just stay still

[sharp gale]

i don't leap too

[molten gorge]

the boss is casting he doesn't follow you

[dark cosmos]

people just move out before hand, its easy

[molten gorge]

what is easier

[sharp gale]

i just "walk" and come back

[molten gorge]

4 people running out

or you running?

:lulw

[vale karma]

I meeeean, tank privellege?

[dark cosmos]

dude they have to run out like 5 yards, its not that bad

[molten gorge]

and the dps get to keep pumping

[dark cosmos]

i think both are just fine

[molten gorge]

they have to stop dps\

that's dogshit

[dark cosmos]

I suppose thats true, but thats how most pug groups ive had do it

could just be my XP

[molten gorge]

always tank go out for that kinda thing imo, so the dps can keep pumping

[vale karma]

I am afraid I will cleap the healer or someone accidentally when moving 😄

[sharp gale]

well dont forget to reping to stack bc pugs sometimes dont reposition themselves

[vale karma]

*clip

[dark cosmos]

Ya i mean i agree its better its just one of those things where i kept it simple

[molten gorge]

I mean if your healer is stood behind you he's bricked

[rigid yew]

That's optimal yes
But if you don't dodge one shots as a dps, you are dum dum

[zealous goblet]

right beside ur name is advice!!!

pwned!!!

sorry i'm mentally disabled

pls dont bully me

[dark cosmos]

Either way this is kind of irrelevant, the only thing that matters is what youre actual pug dps are gonna actually do

and who knows is the answer :)

[molten gorge]

idk imo that isn't simpler

I just ran out the first time I ever did it

[dark cosmos]

ya im not arguing im just telling you my experience

[molten gorge]

I do the same with the knock on Dawnbreaker

[dark cosmos]

obviously its better for tank to move out numerically

[molten gorge]

I take some steps back for the dps

and then charge in

[vale karma]

with dawnbreaker it's diffierent tho

[molten gorge]

trust noone 🕵️

[vale karma]

I always position at 1 end of the boss and dps on the other

[molten gorge]

they're both big circles around you?

[sharp gale]

i only bully browner named people

[neon elk]

How is it different ?

[vale karma]

so it's 1 step

[rigid yew]

There have been times where I move to get away from dps and they follow me
Do not underestimate the zug zug of pugs

[dark cosmos]

^

[molten gorge]

but the boss

stands still

[dark cosmos]

playing around pugs != whats numerically better or makes more sense

[molten gorge]

if the dps follow you, they're fried

[dark cosmos]

youre talking as if the boss is my enemy

but really i have 5 enemies

[molten gorge]

hahahaha

kinda real tbf

[sharp gale]

at least they give you a chance to use those cr you bought at the AH

[molten gorge]

[sharp gale]

360 cr

[neon elk]

So, whats the route on SV? Go right for ingots and then dont take cart and run back??

[dark cosmos]

that fights really rough for pugs but really cool, i hope they keep making fights like that

[dark cosmos]

this is what i do

[molten gorge]

I did that last time ya, felt okay imo

[dark cosmos]

skip all left and skip double forgeloaders

or whatever theyre called, robots

[molten gorge]

you can take the cart if you have some kind of cc I think

[dark cosmos]

ya if you soothe 1 guy you can cart etc etc, it really doesnt matter much though

or leap -> meld -> cart i think if you hate your team

[neon elk]

And i guess that ingot is a one time use

[dark cosmos]

this can be a valid "in a key but need to reply to a text" strategy tbf

[molten gorge]

lol

[sharp gale]

i do that (only did 10 SV yet)

just pull 5 depends on patrol

[dark cosmos]

ya same as me more or less (other than exact chains)

[sharp gale]

and how you get to 12 is "well see which one pug pull"

[dark cosmos]

you do 11 together like that?

i get clapped by fracture too fast i find

i do the vers buff pack afterwards seperately

[neon elk]

Okej and isnt it better to get there as 2nd boss ? U always go shamrok first ?

[sharp gale]

i face tank mass stun and heroic leap when i feel i need to go, you only need to keep aggro, but you can do separate aswell it's a 10

[dark cosmos]

ya maybe ill just try kiting earlier

im greedy and try to stand a long time

[sharp gale]

i may stand at around 7-10 stacks and leave

if it is early

there is the exact same number of "dmg amp debuff mobs" than pull 10

[dark cosmos]

hmm true

[sharp gale]

i did it today and i did two separate pack just to notice

10 is no rush

[vale karma]

wait you can skip the 3 mobs after vers buff? I've been pulling them all this time lol

[sharp gale]

no

it's just depends if pug pull the two guys i dont mark any of the two pack because it depends of pug doing shit

more what i would do next time i do it

[vale karma]

do you los pull 16 out of the room>?

or do it in the corner?

[sharp gale]

i just kick and corner, didn't tried to los, is it good ?

[vale karma]

not really, I had dps complain that htere is not enough space to dodge in the corner

[sharp gale]

(i dont do SV a lot) it's what i did last time

[mellow quartz]

You can easily group pull 14 and 15 btw

[sharp gale]

fuck i wanted to show where i go by going in dungeon in normal but forgot you have to kill everything

[vale karma]

1 totem cast and it's gg tho, do you need this risk? 😄

[sharp gale]

maybe i'm not a SV enjoyer, but those little shits dashing are pug killers

[mellow quartz]

It’s not hard. Pull 14 does nothing.

[sharp gale]

-15 sec every 5 seconds

when i do route i keep in my mind i'm in pug

like : "no they will not kick those necrotic bolts"

"no they will not bait those charges in the wall" and "no they will not watch out behind them if the charge is on them"

[turbid shuttle]

can you walk between 11 and 12 without invis?

[neon elk]

Btw does the safe spot still work in sv ?

[strong forum]

i read smth about that being patched

[dark cosmos]

yes this is really my only consideration atm

[neon elk]

Too scared to try it myself xd

[sharp gale]

no as i said i dont mark either the two guys or the three guys pack bc it depends if someone body pulls

[turbid shuttle]

ah I missed that thanks. I'd probably just drag the 3 in to pull 13 then.

[sharp gale]

that's what i do when it is "no bodypulls"

[twilit burrow]

thoughts on Spear vs dragons roar while still being mountain thane for m+

[neon elk]

Go spear

[opal forum]

if ur playing with the right talents, roar is significantly worse

[vale karma]

100% patched btw

[twilit burrow]

just watching Yoda do 14 mists with it

[vale karma]

are you doing 14 mists?

[jagged pier]

I mean thats just proving talents dont mean much and u need a good group with u to do high content

[dark cosmos]

"why dont we play X" "its worse" "but #1 warrior is doing it" "ignore that you arent the same"

[vale karma]

there might be some logic to it, but it's probably specific to their group comp, key level and just timing in general

[twilit burrow]

thats what i was kinda seeing. regardless of his comp/key level if theres some logic to it that this community might understand

[dark cosmos]

but why doesnt this guy want it, nobody gives an actual reason here ever they just say "this is better"

and why is he using it? when would we want to use it?

[twilit burrow]

Like is thunderous roar enemy capped?

[teal laurel]

At the risk of sounding stupid. When is damage reduction (e.g. demo shout) calculated for dots? e.g. if I demo shout and it's a 20 second Dot. Does the damage uptick for the last 12 seconds?

[dark cosmos]

every tick

[teal laurel]

Okay if it's a 20 sec dot. And I demo shout the mob who gave it to me halfway through, the ticks lower?

[jagged pier]

Its dynamic if u take damage whike its on the mob its reduced once its gone its not

[dark cosmos]

the mob is dealing that damage to you (technically speaking), demo shout reduces damage dealt to you by that mob, so yes, the tick will lower as long as demo shout is on the mob

[opal forum]

^

[dark cosmos]

if demo shout falls off itll tick normally again

[mighty valley]

Yeah, almost nothing snapshots damage on cast any more

[teal laurel]

Oh okay thank you I just wasn't sure if the demo shout considers a mob casting the dot to be the "source" or if the dot itself is the "source" once applied.

[dark cosmos]

you can more or less think of demo shout as just "take 20% less dmg"

[sleek current]

As far as I'm aware... The only snapshotting going on these days is Feral.

[teal laurel]

ye thanks that clarifies

[dark cosmos]

ah and ya, the mob is still the "source", just to say it explicitly

[pulsar sky]

what are the best embelishment for only dungs for this season?

[bleak breach]

Myth tier hands

[pallid quiver]

The main legitimate reason to rock T Roar would be for snap aggro reasons, since it's available more often than spear. That can enable them to pull faster if they're going through packs at a specific cadence depending on their pull sizes and the like

[mortal lion]

How do you deal with NW 2nd boss add grouping? I feel like I’m playing whack-a-mole with aggro and kicks there. How do you deal with them in low IQ pugs? I wanna do more, but I feel like I should be doing less.

[pallid quiver]

It can also just be for ease of use, since if you're pulling bigger, it can be harder to hit everything with spear, so it's worse, but it's working better

[dark cosmos]

stand in corner

If you tank boss hard in the front right corner (as you walk up stairs) the adds will spawn on fewer sides of the boss, makes it a bit easier

[pallid quiver]

There's also likely other reasons that are not really legitimate, as you don't have to play the class you're aying the absolute best to time world first keys; you just need to time the key, which is generally done via pulling very big, managing stops on mobs, and not getting one shot to unavoidable mechs

[sleek current]

Verbally advise them that they need to help by kicking a mage and CC'ing the ranger. It's really the only thing I find that helps and if it doesn't... Well... Nothing to it but, trying again.

[urban bane]

absolutely this, tight in that corner near where the spear is

they clump up in a very managable space

[pallid quiver]

just stack your group with 3 DKs

I dunno what the problem is smh

[dark cosmos]

also unironically this

[mortal lion]

Alright Ill press my butt even closer next time. I really envy DKs for the grip.

[vale karma]

I mean, 1 dk is enough. Kick one mage yourself, move them to ranger and then aggresivly ping dk to grip the last mage

[pallid quiver]

I really think grips should be given to more classes if they're going to insist on hard near requiring grips in things like Myth raid, though

[pallid quiver]

It's like the old lightbulb question. Two are going to soil their pants, and only the third will grab a lightbulb at all

[sleek current]

I mean... If they don't deal with the mage, you can just throw a stormbolt at it, at the last second and make everyone gawk at your awesomeness.

[vale karma]

you still have to kill it tho?

[sleek current]

Just keep stunning it.

[dark cosmos]

keep in mind you can knock it etc too, its not like grip is the only option to group them up

druid sneeze ring etc etc

[pallid quiver]

I understand it's a key part of DK fantasy, but it seems like it feels real bad for group to have to keep recomp'ing to put DKs in for grips alone. I only bring it up since they were toying with the idea of grips on War and the like

[dark cosmos]

like i definitely dont dcare that mch if i have dk for nw

memes aside

(i care if i have frost dk much more cause of amz and cause theyre omega juiced)

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, my gripe is more of an overall game function scope; like Myth Brood is very rough without grips

[dark cosmos]

ya myth brood just sucks though what can i say

[vale karma]

I mean, dk is just the best dps class atm, the do insane damage, they never die + grip

plus cr

what else do you need

*for m+

[dark cosmos]

ya in a world where not dying is king

[mortal lion]

Movement?

[dark cosmos]

you need the not die king (dk)

[pallid quiver]

They'll say a raid buff, but grip is a raid buff tbh

[dark cosmos]

again though grip is less important than their survivability, damage, and amz

theyre not really meta just cssause of grip in m+

dont get me wrong its very very strong but

[pallid quiver]

Ye

I'm not disagreeing with any of that

[opal forum]

that hp increase from rsham is also great on them

[pallid quiver]

Grips are really just raid buff tier benefits in terms of comping, so they're strong when they're relevant, kinda useless if not

[opal forum]

its a lil of litteraly everything

[vale karma]

the only issue with frost dk is that they keep ninja pulling...

new hunters, I swear

[dark cosmos]

its just their skills though isnt it

(although im sure theres a lot of shit fotm dks atm of course)

[sleek current]

With the count requirements this patch... They're probably doing us a favour to be honest. When I learn that this double pull is deadly... It's not my fault for once, for experimenting. 😂

[dark cosmos]

i depleted dawn yesterday ccause dk magically pulled stuff outside the church while we were fighting mini...

[sleek current]

Oh well, I don't need a DK to tell me that one. Hahaha

[dark cosmos]

was first time for me :(

[graceful kite]

they're meta because they do crazy dps and dont die

[dark cosmos]

^ ok

[vale karma]

y, that's what I meant. WIth their skill by accident

[ornate thicket]

Breath doesnt give af about walls

[fluid widget]

crafting a shield is a good idea right

[sleek current]

Yes

[dark cosmos]

Ya i just mean their skills are kinda clowny and go through walls haha

were on the same page

[pearl rampart]

is it troll to macro shield block into some ability?
feels like i spam it anyway, "i probaly do it wrong" 😄

[vale karma]

why are you spamming shield block? Oo

[dark cosmos]

its pretty troll ngl

[pearl rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-spongebob-bye-gotta-go-gif-4355239

[dark cosmos]

bind ip/sb to scroll up/down

[vale karma]

you should track the duration of the buff and only reuse it when it ends

[dark cosmos]

then worst case scenario you just play with scroll wheel while looking out window

[vale karma]

or at least close to end

[sleek current]

Bruh. 😂

How do you zoom your camera?

[vale karma]

ctrl + mouse

[dark cosmos]

ctrl-zoom

[sleek current]

Oh my goodness

[vale karma]

I mean, how often do you zoom in dungeons?

[pearl rampart]

i use shift zoom actually

[dark cosmos]

only for dawnbreaker ship

[graceful kite]

no

it stacks up to 24 seconds

[pearl rampart]

let me do that yarn

[tribal wharf]

so back to final boss of threads, before i go to run it again. so you guys are saying, i let the balls spawn in, i dont move her at all, and then when it turns to purple swirls, i move around the room away from them or some shit

[sleek current]

No chance. 😂

[dark cosmos]

balls spawn -> i move boss off to side -> ball move swirlies spawn -> i move boss more off to side

repeat for whole fight

[vale karma]

idk IP on mouse down is really nice

[graceful kite]

I just walk in a circle 100% of a time

[vale karma]

since you have to press it so much

[tribal wharf]

and its just dps healers job not to get hit at that point and move with me with boss

[graceful kite]

except when orbs are flying in me as a tank

[dark cosmos]

im basically always trying to be like that

[pallid quiver]

Little dudes run around, they get hit, drop puddles

Keep boss away from puddles

Murder cast comes out, go into a puddle

Interrupt add after murder cast

[dark cosmos]

hell ya it is

[sleek current]

Q is the GOAT

[dark cosmos]

scroll binds highly underrated imo

[vale karma]

are you talking about ara kara, no?

[pallid quiver]

Wait, fuck

[tribal wharf]

i think he is but its good people are learning that fight

[pallid quiver]

Yeah wrong dungo

[dark cosmos]

wait what

[pallid quiver]

I just remembered yogi having issues with ara before

[vale karma]

my arakaras are pretty chill now actually, but first week was hell

[smoky anvil]

Henlo, last thing to remember is stuns will break the root on the bloods on last boss. Can kick the one on you as mentioned though to get out after her spooky succ.

[vale karma]

people dying left and right to suck

[tribal wharf]

well, anyways, i got the group to final boss threads, and she deleted us 3 times in a row

and then someone left

[sleek current]

I just heroic leap out of the suck in Ara-Kara. It's pretty favourable timing

[vale karma]

I don't really see the point? you don't gain any uptime and risk messing up@sleek current

[tribal wharf]

threads = 4 bosses ara = 3 bosses

[sleek current]

I gain 3 seconds of uptime. What do you mean? 😂

[smoky anvil]

The adds that walk around and drop blood always path in the same way. You can place yourself to where you can cleave them pretty well with tclap, and just pull boss away from the blood spawns before her succ.

[pallid quiver]

I've literally never had a successful leap out; it completely negates the leap velocity. It's not like the pull on Ansurek or anything

[smoky anvil]

Oh threads

I can’t read

[vale karma]

you can leap to puddle slightly earlier

[sleek current]

You need to jump when you see 1 second remaining on the cast.

[ornate thicket]

This^

[pallid quiver]

We're brothers in illiteracy

[smoky anvil]

Threads is easy as fuck on last boss, have a def for her kamehameha, avoid balls, and cleave or avatar the root

Adds are easily dealt with

[tribal wharf]

the only thing that scares me about ara kara is the spider boss eats a spider and enrages or whatever casts "summon more mobs"

[graceful kite]

leap on a bloodworker

[tribal wharf]

i've read about the ability lots, but never see it

[sleek current]

My experience... Playing strictly with my mythic raid guys... There isn't always a puddle available. 😂 It's easier if I just don't take a spot and leap out... I've not fucked it up yet.

[vale karma]

it's a healer check, if the healer is cooked key is gone 😦

[ornate thicket]

You can spell reflect every root of hers

[graceful kite]

leap on a bloodworker

[pallid quiver]

I haven't had issues with the mechanic proper, just with trying to leap cheese it

[ornate thicket]

The umbral weave ability

[vale karma]

you can also reflect splice

zug zug damage

[ornate thicket]

Im not sure which is better. Felt like weave was safer but if you have avatar up can clear it that way and save SR for splice

[sleek current]

Avatar is just going to be when it's up, it's up.

[vale karma]

if you are stacking dps will cleave the roots down anyways

arms warriors smh

[tribal wharf]

what about do i have keep boss 2 together after dash sequence

or they wipe the group?

not sure

[graceful kite]

why not keep them together

[tribal wharf]

right, but im trying to see if thats i HAVE to, keep them together

[sleek current]

Keep who together? I think I've missed something

[vale karma]

2nd boss

[graceful kite]

it increases your group dps

[vale karma]

COT

[tribal wharf]

mostly it'd just be a simple cleave for more dps boss dies faster

[graceful kite]

it is just what you said

[sleek current]

Oh, thanks. Yeah, keep them together.

There is a weird bug with that boss currently. If you kill them during the purple explosion, whether you're in it or not... You get slammed.

[tribal wharf]

okay, well, i cant think of the examples but i know there are bosses you cant have them together or the wipe the party and raid

[vale karma]

is there anything special you can do for the overlap of the tankbuster and the purple circle? Do you premove from it or something

on 2nd boss

[graceful kite]

just move with your group

mark yourself as a tank pretty much always

[raven knoll]

sorry if im just trippin, but i cant find that i should upgrade a weapon with crest. even tho it would give me big pumper dps upgrade it hink. i have shield ilvl619 crafted and i could craft weapon 639 now. how comes the weapon isnt listed in the guide? are the defence items that much better?!

[graceful kite]

it helps your group with cleaves stacking and stuff

[sleek current]

Shield 636 first.

Weapon next.

[raven knoll]

even tho my weapons are like ilvl 600 and shield is 616?

[tribal wharf]

stack strategies can be really strong in general

[sleek current]

Yeah, shield is significantly more impactful.

[raven knoll]

even with dmg? or just survivability

and thanks for info bro ❤️

[tribal wharf]

but, thats how i do video games

the hard way the wrong way

i do it until i do it right

[sleek current]

Both by virtue of it having main stat, haste et cetera. It won't be as impactful damage wise as a weapon would be but, you're going to need that surviviability right now.

[raven knoll]

copy that thanks sir

and i can put embelishment onto weapon ttoo right. or safe it for the 2x defence thing

that gives me crit or versa if im above 80%

[mortal plinth]

just switched from fury to prot, any good way for me to get decent wep/shield quick?

[sleek current]

Yeah, no stress there but, I'd recommend putting the embellishment on Wrist or Waist instead. Just avoids you moving it later if you get a huge weapon drop.

I have mine on Shield and Wrist currently and don't intend to change that at the moment

[misty rain]

What addon is it that shows this mythic+ timer for +2/+3 like this?

[graceful kite]

angry keystones

[raven knoll]

tthanks got it. so that defence emeblishments are better then one for weapon i guess @sleek current

[sleek current]

You can't do damage if you're dead is the motto basically. Haha

[raven knoll]

hahah true

even tho i feel pretty beefy

[graceful kite]

these are not defensive embelishments

[raven knoll]

but makes sence

[graceful kite]

stats give you dps

[raven knoll]

okey got it

[graceful kite]

more stats more dps

[tribal wharf]

i like the spiritual succesor to gottagofast, gottagofaster

the one i said does this

[vale karma]

Warp Deplete is also nice

[tribal wharf]

so it shows the actual timer needed and a true timer (to 100th and 1000th of a second)

[sleek current]

MythicPlusTimer... Simple, out of the way and elegant.

[tribal wharf]

you need to be completely logged in and not DC to have true timer

[vale karma]

why would you need timer to 100th and 1000th of a second?)

[tribal wharf]

i like racing games, but its just, i dunno it is like a metronome basically

[graceful kite]

I dislike installing random weakauras

[sleek current]

MythicPlusTimer is an addon. Does that persuade you? It's got 4.4mil downloads.

[graceful kite]

I have no idea about mythicplustimer

[tribal wharf]

its not totally nessecary, im sure a true timer could be helpful to MDI teams

[graceful kite]

its probably alright I was responding to yogi

[tribal wharf]

but, ya, there are PLENTY of options for keystone addons

[tribal wharf]

astral key annouces the next key you have after completing a key

[sleek current]

The green number at the bottom is the value of the current pull.

[tribal wharf]

find the one you like

[graceful kite]

I need an addons that lets me customize my debuffs

[sleek current]

Elegant. Slick and buttery smooth.

[mortal plinth]

what stats do i craft on my shield? crit/haste?

[graceful kite]

basically I'm fine with defult debuffs just wish I sould blackleast keystone active debufff

[sleek current]

I frustratingly use SUF. It's got a lot of customisability but, it's not very user friendly.

[graceful kite]

I like suf but it has weird restrictions

Like I can't have debuff icon sizes big enough of have timer text undernerath them

I just don't want to use elvui anymore

Can't stomach game freezing and chewing fps in raid

[sleek current]

I just got for the ol' rotate. I haven't seen a number on a debuff in years.

[graceful kite]

I moved default debuff window to the left of my frame

[formal basin]

when yall run a key - what is typical shield block / IP uptime

[graceful kite]

if I could blacklist keystone debuff it would be okay enough for me

[sleek current]

Mine looks like this. Looking at it right now, I don't think it very asthetically pleasing but, it's worked for a long time and I don't want to dive back into SUF. 😂

[graceful kite]

100% of the time you get hit and ip uptime doesnt matter

its a rage dump

[sick grotto]

The haste debuff at the start of siege oof

[formal basin]

ok cool ty - new to tanking so idk what metrics to look at

[native ember]

new to tanking since all the fury nerfs thoughts on these stats i only tank M+

[graceful kite]

are you pushing 12+?

[sleek current]

Me want more haste, you want more haste. We all want more haste. Unga bunga.

[graceful kite]

if not stats aren't that important but yours are good

[sick grotto]

You guys running bitter immunity for any of the current dungeons some of the poisons on the tb truck a bit

[graceful kite]

basically you want haste and crit/vers as supplementary, but mastery isnt bad

[graceful kite]

no, never

[native ember]

ok word ty

[sleek current]

You know, I considered that but... I can only really accept losing Rumbling Earth for it and I like pressing shockwave.

[graceful kite]

healers should just dispel you

[sleek current]

It's my healers problem. That's how Blizzard want things.

[native ember]

lol

[sleek current]

Yeah! Hahahaha

[sick grotto]

Yeah for sure feel like most of them dont

Or dont have it specced lel

[graceful kite]

which poisons are you talking about

[sick grotto]

I think there is some at start of siege

[sleek current]

The Venom in SOB is pretty lethal, that's all I can think of right now.

[neon elk]

Bitter imun wont help you there tho

[sleek current]

Yeaaah.

[neon elk]

There are 2-3 packs with those poisions and they insta reaply it

[graceful kite]

you can reflect some of it

[sick grotto]

Yeah it stacks a fair bit and my ip just gets fucked

[sleek current]

The other mob I can think of is SOB as well actually. The one with the two swords.

[graceful kite]

ip doesnt matter

your mitigation is shield block not ip

[sleek current]

Singing Steel, that's it.

Nasty bleed.

[lusty grotto]

you can parry singing steel im pretty sure, thats why crit is 👍

[sick grotto]

Op af

[sleek current]

Beautiful

[lusty grotto]

if you want a tip though

besides being dwarf 🙂

[sick grotto]

So fuck the vers flask get some crit flask

[neon elk]

Ill take it whole but tip is fine for start xoxo

[lusty grotto]

just shield slam gutters

and stack punish on them

[sleek current]

My stats right now. 😂

[sick grotto]

[lusty grotto]

bleeds up? wall / demo

[graceful kite]

why not haste or alch chaos?

[lusty grotto]

not sure why you guys keep linking stats

just ilvl > all

we're still gearing

[sleek current]

My stats are hilarious that's why

[native ember]

jesus christ that haste sheesh are u using into the fray ?

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > haste > all

[sick grotto]

I got over 40% haste with fray

[lusty grotto]

dont run ITF with low haste

not worth

run heavy repercussions

[sleek current]

I have 35% unbuffed

[graceful kite]

I had a 10 mists today and midrun I noticed I'm running some abomination of execute raid build for colossus on thane

was alright

[lusty grotto]

if you play ITF at 35, you better know what youre doing

cause gaps will get you killed in high keys

SB gaps

im at 31, i still play HR

[sleek current]

I know how to unga bunga

[sick grotto]

Bolster ez clap fill them gaps

[lusty grotto]

wdym

are you playing BSV?

otherwise why are you playing bolster

[native ember]

im 616 ilvl atm i still have a neck,back,boots,ring 610 ilvl recommendations on which one to prioritize first on upgrading ?

[sick grotto]

Yeh im starting to run bsv on the higher keys

Uptime is pretty high on sb

[lusty grotto]

well you shouldnt play boslter without bsv

just fyi

champs bulwark + sc is enough

[sick grotto]

Only run on dungeons where spell block not as useful

[lusty grotto]

and since those are gone without bsv

you play bolster

[dark cosmos]

theres better talents to take instead then, than bolster when you already have >100% SB uptime

[lusty grotto]

i dont know why you would factor in spell block tbh

[sick grotto]

I kinda want to try the build with bolster, spell block and disrupting and dropping enduring alacrity

[robust urchin]

Spell block can suck my nuts

[sick grotto]

But enduring feels so good

[lusty grotto]

thats a dogshit build if you drop alacrity

[sleek current]

You want to drop 8% armour! 😮

2% Haste

[dark cosmos]

no alacrity in MY tww s1 :monkaS:

[lusty grotto]

armor that goes into AP that goes into armor

[sick grotto]

Tru actually

What dungeons are you guys dropping spell block for atm

[sleek current]

If you want disrupting drop bloodsurge but, honestly... I'm not feeling it as necessary as I did in season 3 of DF or whenever I did 3.1k rating.

[sick grotto]

Mists?

[lusty grotto]

none

[sleek current]

WOAH!

No, not in mists

[stone moat]

The yoda build? It feels pretty good tbh

[sleek current]

Do not do that. Anima Slice will ruin your day

[sick grotto]

I reflect

Until there is 2 i cry

[stone moat]

^

[sleek current]

You can't reflect every cast my man

[robust urchin]

Just dodge it 4head

[lusty grotto]

the yoda build, ok time to not be here for a while

have fun with that meme guide 🙂

[stone moat]

Woah clue me in what’s the issue with it

[robust urchin]

Be nice nimchip

[stone moat]

I got no survivability issues in 10s

[sick grotto]

I mean to be fair enduring is a great talent

[robust urchin]

People are entitled to play how they wanna play, it's their sub

[sick grotto]

Just cant drop much else

[lusty grotto]

indeed Nano indeed

[red otter]

whats wrong with insigate that we dont take it?

[dark cosmos]

truly brewpilled

[sleek current]

There are other talents that perform better

[dark cosmos]

stops facing mob before anima slash

[robust urchin]

I have always been the voice of reason in this chat

[red otter]

I was thinking of dropping booming voice for it

[sleek current]

I'd be seriously doing the research on that mate. Booming Voice is massive

[sick grotto]

Booming so good tho

[red otter]

yeah the research is asking here

[lusty grotto]

if this is concerning a yoda build

im not answering

ask yoda

[sleek current]

You're not going to get an answer that'll satisfy you unfortunately. You're going to need to seriously do the numbers yourself.

[red otter]

Gotcha gotcha so its quite close

[raven knoll]

sir i was reading a bit of your conversattion. can you explain wha bsv is and when to no take bolster?

[sleek current]

I'm not aware that they're remotely close but, I haven't done the numbers. I've just trusted Nom here.

[sick grotto]

Its battle scar veteran its your cheat death

[robust urchin]

You should never trust anyone you haven't punched or drank with

[lusty grotto]

BSV is not a cheat

you die with it up

[graceful kite]

Not trusting my mother is kind of sad

[lusty grotto]

it could be the closest thing to it that's not a cheat, if anything

[sick grotto]

Well yeh i guess tru

[robust urchin]

Just punch her once

[dark cosmos]

Bolster is only good because it gives you shield block uptime, if you have heavy repercussions, shield charge, and champions bulwark you already have well over 100% sheild block uptime

[robust urchin]

Or get drunk with her

[dark cosmos]

it just gives you nothing

[graceful kite]

big true

[dark cosmos]

(no the LS cd doesnt matter)

[graceful kite]

nah

[robust urchin]

Good answer alcohol is the devil's work

It's a sin

[graceful kite]

I only drink energy drinks they have vitamins

[raven knoll]

thanks for explaining!

[robust urchin]

They have what plants crave

They have electrolytes

[red otter]

I had asked here before about Ignore pain, they mentioned only to use it when about to cap on rage. I am now finding that when ignore pain is not up this xpac my dmg intake spikes rapidly. I figured I needed more rage to compensate.

[dark cosmos]

Bolsters good if you play into the fray, but you probably shouldnt be doing that unless you have very high haste OR know exactly what youre doing OR preferably both those things

[lusty grotto]

have fun losing 108k dps

[red otter]

I played BDK for most of last xpac, but decided to start maining pwar this xpac. so tryna learn the ins and outs

[red otter]

oof thats alot

[lusty grotto]

if you need more rage, its not your talents fault

its you not pressing buttons

[robust urchin]

I'm pretty sure you're only supposed to do that once you have build up ignore Pain

Basically don't spam IP

[graceful kite]

use ip when you have 70 rage

[raven knoll]

no bro i dont have any of this. i looked up this yoda dude and ran with his build. but its completly different to the wowhead one so im fully confused. i think im running too defensive shit

[graceful kite]

so you don't rage starve yourself or overcap

[red otter]

I posted a log review earlier this morning for that very reason.

[lusty grotto]

ok ill take a look

[robust urchin]

If you don't have enough rage drinking vodka always help me to numb some pain

[dark cosmos]

It changes when youre with a coordinated team, doing very cutting edge keys, can play] around it, have a certain comp to support it etc etc

[raven knoll]

im just doing +10 max

[red otter]

Thank you

[dark cosmos]

and he could be wrong in the end too, its just what hes finding is working it seems

[raven knoll]

or more likely to do +9 to farm gear

[graceful kite]

yoda build is bad for any level of key

[raven knoll]

can you guys suggest me a build then. or just wowhead one

[robust urchin]

Hey be nice

[graceful kite]

its just mathematically defensively and offensively worse

[graceful kite]

I'm nice it's just the trush

truth holy fuck i gotta sleep

[robust urchin]

Trush

Lmao

[graceful kite]

I just don't want to walk the dog

[robust urchin]

Minor spelling mistake

It's joever

[lusty grotto]

89% SB uptime looks decent
12.4 Shield Slam APM = red flag #1, needs to be 15+
Wasting a lot of rage 339 SS + 100 TB + 236 from SC alone = 1204 total rage wasted, hit your IP to burn regardless of IP's status

[graceful kite]

My favorite dorki clip was the one in shadowlands when he went into m+ as bdk did default big pull didn't press any defensive or death strike died and started complaining that dk is shit

[red otter]

Shield slam > Thunder clap?

[lusty grotto]

no necrotic bolt spell blocks

[graceful kite]

yes pretty much always

[lusty grotto]

0 of them to be honest

[red otter]

Im not talented into Spell block so thats not a surprise

or spell reflect

[sleek current]

😮

[lusty grotto]

...

[graceful kite]

💀

[lusty grotto]

that's a cook

[opal forum]

[sick grotto]

Oof

[mighty valley]

NEITHER????

[lusty grotto]

so both of our strongest magic mitigations arent taken?

[graceful kite]

chad energy

[lusty grotto]

the reason why we dont hurt vs magic damage since DF?

that's kind of illegal man

[sleek current]

I'm even running Fight Through the Flames... There is no earth in which I'm not taking MDR.

[pallid quiver]

technically even before then because shield wall + sr, but there's no sr

[robust urchin]

Bros cooking instant ramen on a grill 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂

[pallid quiver]

And that's wild

[red otter]

I had figured shield block, demoralizing shout was probably good enough at these lower key levels

shield wall*

[lusty grotto]

i guess?

but it doesnt help you if youre not getting used to proper play

its doing more damage than anything

[pallid quiver]

Let's phrase it this way; every major tank hitting ability can be mitigated by spell block, and spell block can mitigate up to 100% damage

[robust urchin]

What a weird decision to make

[graceful kite]

shield reflect is a scaleable dps cooldown

[mighty valley]

also spell reflecting feels sick as hell

[graceful kite]

okay a actually have to sleep

[sleek current]

Serious advice. Go to WoWhead and copy the Mountain Thane Mythic+ build and just use it. Spam shield slam and thunderclap, press avatar every time it's available, focus on Shield Block uptime and press IP probably every 3 seconds.

[robust urchin]

And when do I click on rend?

[sleek current]

Please. 😂

[south pond]

can confirm, did that, got 2800 score

[opal forum]

SR is an insane dps increase sometime

[lusty grotto]

we had 15+ SS APM in DF, it should be higher than that now with Burst of Power

[opal forum]

not even talking about the defensive side of it

[lusty grotto]

so im being nice when i say it should be 15+

[red otter]

what is burst of power? that a hero talent?

[pallid quiver]

SR dps increase is fake news because it's not attributed to you in logs

[robust urchin]

Ur welcome? So when do I click rend

[mighty valley]

on CD

[lusty grotto]

sorry about the HDR

🙂

[red otter]

ah that one

[pallid quiver]

And lightning strikes basically means Thunder Blast

[sleek current]

Hahahaha. Mate, actually made my night. For those... Wondering... You don't. Just press Thunderclap.

[robust urchin]

Haha yeah I was just joking haha of course I knew that

[opal forum]

dont forget to slam on CD

[sleek current]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[lusty grotto]

wdym just press rend

and whirlwind too dont forget

[red otter]

@lusty grotto Other than those few major things is there anything else you noticed?

[lusty grotto]

those are pretty major

[sleek current]

Hahahaha. ❤️

[opal forum]

ww slam rend

[lusty grotto]

like huge

[opal forum]

the holy trinity of the prot war

[red otter]

yeah I know they are, just asking if you noticed anything else.

[sleek current]

Aaaaah mate. I forgot we actually have access to slam

[robust urchin]

Ww is huge damage on adds

[lusty grotto]

18 mins section, you casted 10 walls

wall is up every what? 50s?

45ish?

with proper rage use (and proper shield slamming)

[red otter]

is shield wall like Vampiric blood where I should be using it on cd?

[sick grotto]

What do you guys think of the 2 wall talents

[sleek current]

I recommended talenting into Piercing Howl to my raid leader on Broodtwiter and he just laughed... Why'd he do that?

[robust urchin]

He's a dick

[sleek current]

I knew he was a villian!

[pallid quiver]

You want to get as many uses as possible, while having it up for the important high damage moments

[lusty grotto]

you use it, because it resets

with AM and Shield Slam (with Imprenetrable Wall)

[pallid quiver]

The latter is more important to clearing, tbh, but proper play does both

[robust urchin]

I usually wall up whenever I feel like it

Usually often

Like why not use it

[red otter]

Noted

[pallid quiver]

A good starter way to handle SW is to SW at the start of every pack, since it should be up roughly every pack, and then see how to adjust to have it for tank busters you don't have spell block for

[opal forum]

usually i use it a the begining of a pack

[robust urchin]

Sometimes I use it and moonwalk right into a pack with my back

To establish dominance

[pallid quiver]

Since the start of a pack is when the most damage is coming in

[lusty grotto]

youre talented into Pain and Gain

[lusty grotto]

no intervene hmm

[sleek current]

Rest in peace Pain and Gain. You were loved.

[lusty grotto]

but yeah thats minor anyway

[sleek current]

Mate, this is cracking me up

[lusty grotto]

storm bolts

[robust urchin]

Does bro have the storm bolt talent?

[tribal wharf]

i let my poor ret get subujated by first boss threads +3

[lusty grotto]

oof

[tribal wharf]

off the pull

[red otter]

yeah storm bolts cause i didn want intervene

[sleek current]

Acceptable. He shouldn't have played ret. It's not FOTM.

[tribal wharf]

it looks like i tried to taunt off him but it was too late

[robust urchin]

Bros cooking popcorn in a wok

Frfr on god

[tribal wharf]

i didnt hit my taunt on the pull

i was idiot

[lusty grotto]

its not a huge deal

the talent picks

except for

not having SR and Spell Block

[sleek current]

Yo, taunt isn't even on my bars... I should be using that? 😮

[red otter]

Is intervene that good in M+? It doesnt seem to be as good as Sac on ppal right? Kinda niche?

[lusty grotto]

those are really big weird cooks

[tribal wharf]

taunt is objectively our worst button

[opal forum]

btw, this might sound dumb, but im never sure on when to use spell block, is it really just a thing to "know each mobs and their abilities"

[tribal wharf]

deals no damage

[robust urchin]

No it does no DMG and has bad dimishing returns

[tribal wharf]

and makes us the target

[opal forum]

or im overthinking it

[tribal wharf]

what the fuck

why would i need that

[sleek current]

Knew it. Solid advice, thanks man.

[robust urchin]

No worries mate

[lusty grotto]

you can use it on any fixate, any physical ranged attack, as long as youre 10 yards apart from whoever you intervene, plus the shield adds up and is nice

[robust urchin]

Always glad to give good advice

[lusty grotto]

so for example on that NW

you can fixate adds on 1st boss

(can also reflect tech on the frontal)

fixate archers, blood splatter, fixates on trash on 2nd floor

they can just stand still

and take no damage

[robust urchin]

Honestly not having spell reflect is so foreign to me

[lusty grotto]

obviously you need people NOT running away from fixates, so they need to know about it

if they run, they outrun your 10 yards

[sleek current]

So, I'm not running Avatar so I can have Thunderous Roar and Spear at the same time but, I seem to have lost 200k DPS. What am I doing wrong?

[robust urchin]

Spell reflecting something that kills a mob makes me pitch my tent so hard

It's the best feeling ever

[red otter]

Im sure thats one of those things people get used too at high keys yeah?

[lusty grotto]

are we memeing?

oh thats a def meme

[mighty valley]

man i'm watching this dorki guide since so many people have been saying weird shit after watching it and like. he says none of that. seems like a totally fine guide

[lusty grotto]

(:

[sleek current]

Meme break: Seriously Seoul. Grab the build from WoWHead and run it. Listen to the crafted advice within the guide and I promise you, you're not going to have as many issues.

[mighty valley]

do people just hear what they want to hear

[lusty grotto]

its not dorki

hes fine

its not kira either

hes fine

[red otter]

Yeah I did grab it from wowhead and changed afew nodes around

[lusty grotto]

its just 1 streamer

[red otter]

not awhole lot

[mighty valley]

someone was in here earlier saying "the dorki guide told me not to press revenge"

[robust urchin]

Frankly I know what's best anyway so I'm just doing what I think is right when I read guides

"Ravager? I don't think so I'd rather have something that's garbage."

BSV all the way

[tribal wharf]

i told ai to make song about protection warrior and both sound like something you would hear in doom game, electric guitar and drums rock and rol metal shit lol

[robust urchin]

The best warrior song was already made like 40 years ago

[sleek current]

"All of the recorded fights for this boss, difficulty, size and region are private."

Have I done something wrong when trying to find out where other prot warriors are greeding so much extra damage on Ansurek.

[robust urchin]

https://youtu.be/5D-9X3ooFvo?si=1wfJVdk7WpE7jRk9

[tribal wharf]

this is what ai come up with

[sleek current]

It's up my street actually

[red otter]

@lusty grotto thx btw for the log review

[sleek current]

Yo, where the fuck are these 1mil logs coming from for Ansurek Heroic.

[sick grotto]

Add padding?

[sleek current]

Mental

[robust urchin]

The website is called WarcraftLogs or WCL for short

That's where the logs come from

[sleek current]

So obvious now that you've said it. Thanks again man.

[robust urchin]

No worries mate

[sleek current]

Mans getting absolutely fat demolishes though. Jesus.

[robust urchin]

Always glad to be helping

Maybe I should be Stormforged

[sleek current]

Look at this greedy goblin

[graceful kite]

Its not greed

Its a grindset

[sick grotto]

Demolish probs has nice cd alignment for that fight i guess

[robust urchin]

Sigma male grindset

Mobs can't hurt you if you kill them

[sleek current]

So true

[sleek current]

Aye, the boost life

Nobody stealing his adds. 😄

[graceful kite]

I once wanted a very good guldan hc log as a healer

And after i checked wcl i saw that top guldan healer was a solo rdruid with like 12 boomkins and lotta rets

Dude spent the whole fight innervated

[sleek current]

Hahahahaha

Brilliant

[robust urchin]

That's why he was on the top

And you weren't

[graceful kite]

True

I was a hpriest with bugged weapon

[robust urchin]

Your raid network is your net worth

Be a playa or die tryin

[graceful kite]

That used mana with its passive procs

[sleek current]

It does look though that demolish lines up pretty well

I went colossus the other week in normal reclear and it was really fun to play. Waiting on that fat demolish feels good, it appeases my unga bunga

Do I have shit trinkets... Yes. Did I do any mechanics other than taunt? No. Did I slap fat stacks of demolish... I most certainly did.

[toxic pewter]

just got into a discord argument

some guy telling me to play worse

LOL

[nocturne spindle]

so if 40% haste lets you talent into ITF, if you do a haste flask instead of chaos and hit 40% can you swap to it?

or does that 40% inclade the average increase of the random haste increase of chaos flask

[pallid quiver]

It's 40% unbuffed

[tribal wharf]

flask enchant gear change only equals 1-2% haste on average

[pallid quiver]

So no flask at all

[tribal wharf]

i have also heard 35%

[nocturne spindle]

but i mean if your at 38% and you do haste flask instead of chaos

[tribal wharf]

but ????

[nocturne spindle]

wouldnt that let you hit the break point and the extra haste would be overall better?

[tribal wharf]

itf in raid because healers

[icy flax]

Just drink haste flask and vibe

[pallid quiver]

It depends on how much you need to patch block uptime

[nocturne spindle]

yea i know for m+

[pallid quiver]

The main reason you don't use ITF is because of the block uptime, and different dungeons have different needs

[nocturne spindle]

its just a question of losing the small amount of extra secondary overall and going straight haste flask+ITF

i assume it works if your close enough to 40%

[tribal wharf]

turns out, basic melee hurts

when they hit you basic melee for, 1.1m

or even juat 8 500ks, hurts, need block or we die

[icy flax]

ITF forever

[tribal wharf]

if 10% haste, yes

2% can be a very big number, depending

[teal laurel]

Can you taunt during liquify or does it change who eats the cast unless it fires before taunt?

[toxic pewter]

just got heroic queen ring

paid a dude an undisclosed amount

i cannot say how much

how much is too much u guys think

[sacred urchin]

Probally like

....anything over 50k?

[toxic pewter]

heroic boe ring on ah go for a lot more than 50k tho

[merry sluice]

bro this might actually be hands down the worst fucking season of m+ i've seen in pugs. its a joke

[bleak breach]

500k apb?

[brisk quail]

Id say more than 1M

[sacred urchin]

Yes but two things A. It's the start of the season B. Those rings aren't like...hard bis

[bleak breach]

It would be worth a lot. It’s Uber bis for everyone

[toxic pewter]

yeah non queen ring alone on ah sells for 400k

so i think i got a good deal tbh

[brisk quail]

2.5M

[bleak breach]

You wouldn’t get get it off me for less then a mil

[toxic pewter]

i paid the dude 500k.

[bleak breach]

I was bang on

[toxic pewter]

i think its fine

[brisk quail]

It is

[sacred urchin]

Ehhhh for a hard bis ring for evreyone I think that's p fair

[toxic pewter]

and it has avoidance

so even bigger bonus

[sacred urchin]

I'm just too poor to bid on stuff

[jagged pilot]

hey any1 what embelishments we are finally going for 2x vers or crit or asendance with enhance?

[teal laurel]

It's gotten to the point if I see 4/5 the same guild I know I'm likely in for the worst run of my life.

[sleek otter]

Is the ring off Asnurek good for prot?

[nocturne spindle]

It's free damage

So why not

Because our secondary stats are all pretty good for us usually every rare piece is just free effect

[sleek otter]

ty

[frigid spire]

what would a prot warriors Crit /Haste cap be?

[pallid quiver]

Currently, none

BIS gear uses as much haste and crit as possible

You get enough of other stats from forced stats from tier iirc, but I'd have to check Nome's list again

[frigid spire]

isnt vers good for living?

[teal laurel]

Just for confirmation if you taunt during ansurek's liquify before cast finishes, who's gonna eat the liquify? Will she swap target or will she go after you once she finishes the cast on tank1?

[urban portal]

Every other stat also good for living

[south zealot]

@lusty grotto have u seen how kira plays

wtf lmao

also these prot warriors are griefing high keys with these talents that do z dps

losing on timer

[merry sluice]

every single run i see a new way for dps to brick the key

[teal laurel]

Bricking a key for innocent reasons is okay by me it just happens but my god when the DPS who's died 15 times that run starts being a tank critic because you missed timer by 2 min lol

[merry sluice]

just watched dps knock the fixarte adds directly into me

same dps who died 5 times ina row on gb

[toxic pewter]

the tank that had initial aggro will get the liquify. you can taunt mid cast of liquify and move the boss then you will take feast

[potent anvil]

My demolish is strong

[teal laurel]

Okay thanks for confirming I've been playing like that's not the case, defs easier knowing that lol

[toxic pewter]

yeah It makes the movement a lot smoother if I say so too

cuz youre not just standing around waiting to taunt

[south zealot]

padding overall with discharged anima

next

[potent anvil]

[merry sluice]

bruh

i jsut got flamed for saying hello wrong

x.x

[teal laurel]

Break out to herrrrrroo promptly after

[hexed stream]

yo in my spell reflect essentials, it's saying to reflect the dot in the trash at the end of mists, is that just because they have that weird aiming behavior where they cast on somebody while loking at you or is there some intervene tech to be done here?

[waxen frigate]

get owned

[bronze wraith]

is it bad to take bolster over instigate?

[south zealot]

in what content

idk why youd ever need to make that choice

[warm plinth]

Any content you'd take one, you'd never take the other.

[wet forum]

i have a 610 detachable fang. just found a 610 skarmorak shard off sv. almost 3k dps loss but does the mastery surv make up for it?

[bronze wraith]

is bolster that bad? every guide has instigator instead

[urban portal]

It’s not bad

But you also do not need it

[sick grotto]

Fangs better single target and shard would be better multi targ/mythic +

[neon elk]

How did u sim that?

[tacit briar]

Does anyone have a guide or tips on how to use rallying cry? Does it make my healers life harder if used on low hp? Is it a panic button or use as much as possible etc?

[wet forum]

i jsut did a quick sim gear compare

[neon elk]

But what setting ? Time targets etc , thats what matters most

[bronze wraith]

is instigator good?

[wet forum]

just default. but i only m+ so makes sense i use it over fang anyway

[raw parcel]

BOYS. I got my first portal of the season! I feel like a true gamer.

[wet forum]

got 610 meat hook and detach today too. using sacbrood on other slot tho

[sick sentinel]

I see my health decreasing even with ignore pain active? Is this related to dots?

[jolly coral]

Which Enchant you recommend for M+: Radiant Power or Authority of the Depts?

[ancient scaffold]

It'll make the healers life easier if anything as it provides more buffer. Try to use it proactively when there's raid dam or party dam coming out.

Also don't forget to let the healer know on discord that you're using it because you don't trust his abilities to heal

[pallid quiver]

IP's only a partial absorb; it only takes part of the incoming damage

[neon elk]

Xal’atath’s Bargain now affects the cooldowns of additional spells.

Ravager fixed finaly?

[sick grotto]

It wasnt affecting avatar as well?

Pretty interesting affix with the mass 50% cd reduction

Can actually just thunder clap every gcd and shield slam inbetween during avatar

[fair beacon]

question: is zekvir doable on ?? in prot spec?

[sick grotto]

Yep think some guys ran it on 600 ilvl and below

[fair beacon]

I know, but that was before the spell reflect nerf

[pallid quiver]

no, after

[wide charm]

Pretty sure you just need to level and curio out your brann and have him dps, he pumps

[pallid quiver]

Sense has one at like 54x ilvl, though he did it by unequipping stuff

[fair beacon]

bran as dps? which curio?

[wide charm]

Yea, IDK that was my problem too -- I got it to about 50% this morning, first time trying it. Did a couple attempts and I was killing the stupid web add at about the same speed that Jakey was in his video at 538 il

so it's pretty obvious my lvl 37 bran is the issue

haven't looked into it more yet

[fair beacon]

mine is almost lvl 54

[toxic pewter]

so like are you guys using itf or hr in 10s for example these days

[hexed stream]

youre not allowed to own brann, thats banned.

[mint pike]

So Sense is the only pwar in the world to (public) log Brood. Am i fucked or what

[hexed stream]

ur raid might be

[pallid quiver]

Grips are very useful in that fight, so most tanks swap to BDK for it iirc

But fight is definitely existable as a prot war

[waxen frigate]

its not reasonably killable 2-tanking it as pwarr

you're inting your guild by doing that

[primal narwhal]

does spellblock work against liquify in Ansurek? or just normal block works for it?

[sick grotto]

Spellblock works on liquify

[waxen frigate]

if you want to play pwarr you need to have someone else in your guild bring bdk or vdh

and 3 tank

[mint pike]

thats insane

[waxen frigate]

🙂

nerfed boss btw

(designer is shit at their job)

[fluid widget]

do you have to do a tank swap for the caster boss in silken court?

or how do you properly tank that

cause i've just been swapping on piercing

[waxen frigate]

honestly it doesnt really matter

usually other tanks that arent pwarr are better at it

but i usually just let bdk cotank hold it

[fluid widget]

ah ok. so there are some points that a tank may have "both"

and that's perfectly normal

[waxen frigate]

it's just a matter of communication

if one person is struggling then take it off of them

boss does basically nothing to tanks regardless tho

🤷‍♂️

[merry sluice]

Yeah as BDK I’ve just been sitting in it all raid

Co tank is a bear so it’s like the perfect combo

[primal narwhal]

you can take the caster as a warrior and spell reflect the poison bolt

thats abt it

[pastel geyser]

Talk with your dps wars to chain taunt reflects on her

Joke but i can imagine that working in a funny good way in a coord group lol

[merry sluice]

Nah

Bad idea

Too frequent

You’ll hella DR taunts

[primal narwhal]

they'll be too busy zug zuging the melee boss when he gets webbed

but yeah, just pop spell reflect on cooldown and you get a few million dps from it

when the caster mob is up and u have aggro that is.

[oak ivy]

I fucking love BSV

I got angel + BSV + last stand and spiked 6M hps for 5sec
H ansurek, got both liquefy and Feast

[sick grotto]

Ez 100 heal parse

[high mesa]

BSV is awesome. I heal pot up to full when it procs

[sick grotto]

Yeah been running it in higher keys kinda feels nice af to have as a extra defensive. Great to assert dominance that i dont need the healer.

When my healer is about to die i last stand then gift of the naru them, im the healer now