protection

[chilly brook]

The biggest difference between you as a tank and someone else as a dps is that you control the pace of the dungeon

If you press your CDs and a pack has 10% left you have the power to just chain it into another pack and lose no CD usage

[vague abyss]

rogues will cry with this one little trick

[chilly brook]

Just don’t bring a rogue 🙂

[inland raft]

And also if its like spear better to chain first and then send

[graceful kite]

or watch them expecting a restealth and leap asap laughing

[chilly brook]

I mean realistically you can give them an opportunity to without much loss for yourself

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-player-speaking-wow-gif-27271750

[merry sluice]

“Without much loss for your” x4 bc you have two other DPS and healers too

[inland raft]

Always keep one mob alive 100% combat uptime no restealth

[merry sluice]

Nothing that rogue can do outweighs four people getting out of it better

[tulip remnant]

They have Vanish

[smoky anvil]

Just rotate CDs. I only hold shit if it’s at like 10% and someone needs a sec before boss. Otherwise, zug zug.

[dark cosmos]

ya you use avatar like 5 times per boss anyway

[inland raft]

True but your still fn them a lot since ideally they open from stealth and then vanish

[smoky anvil]

Proper play means Avatar is off CD all tbe time

Not to mention demo shout, my goat.

[tulip remnant]

That’s big sad for them

Anyways

[heavy sparrow]

What ilvl are the prot warriors doing 9s or 10s at?

[graceful kite]

on hc week I've baited a ret to follow me backwards in grim batol after killing 3rd boss and heroic leapt to the trash just so he'd get 0 dps on a pack

[dark cosmos]

617 is fine

[graceful kite]

small things that make you happy

[inland raft]

I think people worry too much about pairing them together for maximum burst without thinking of overall casts per dungeon. As i said ill only hold to pair if its just a couple seconds

[chilly brook]

It’s a very small delay for you to let them hit the button

[dark cosmos]

I'm fine in all 11s at 617 (unlucky with gear)

[cursive leaf]

Hi guys, 30% haste is enough or go further?

[dark cosmos]

go much further

[chilly brook]

That’s not how that works

[merry sluice]

It’s a very small delay for 4 people. Is a much bigger loss

[chilly brook]

Vanish is a dps CD for them

[cursive leaf]

how much?

[tulip remnant]

That’s unfortunate, anyways. Heroic Leap to the next pack.

[heavy sparrow]

I'm 39% haste or like 46 buffed and proc'd

[merry sluice]

Even worse if I’m on my DK or vdh who absolutely wants to preserve CDs and resources from pack to pack.

[inland raft]

All the haste, s1 you cant get enough haste and s2 probably same

[chilly brook]

Why you tagging me

[dark cosmos]

ya you arent gonna "cap" on haste rn

[heavy sparrow]

Woops I tagged the wrong guy

[chilly brook]

Even if you were gonna “cap” you still get more haste

[heavy sparrow]

There's still diminishing returns at 30%

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-goku-sj3-gif-26647080

[inland raft]

Prot still stacks it past the dr

[cursive leaf]

okay ty :DD

[chilly brook]

Those are irrelevant

Even at 40% it’s irrelevant

[dark cosmos]

you need more haste so you can play ITF which will then give you even more haste :)

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah it's nice to have SS after every breath we take

[cursive leaf]

😄

[fluid widget]

What’s the reason for doing the crafted belt vs crafted boots?

[potent tree]

Vanish is not that important if u play sin. It’s more to reset deathmark or u use on trash to get more bleeds off. Vanish is a much bigger deal for outlaw and sub

But not letting a single re stealth is big grief

[waxen frigate]

It’s not this is literal gaslight

By shit rogues

[potent tree]

I mean. U are losing a bunch of silence they can apply with garrote

[potent tree]

Dps wise might not be that huge. But most the times probably smart to not chain packs if u have a sin rogue

[edgy bone]

Why does this 639 Larynx sim worse than 626 Skarmorak?

[blissful ether]

Anyone experience with tanking as prot and vdh in the same key levels? How much more of a struggle is it to survive as vdh in similar key levels and which one would you prefer for pugs?

[heavy sparrow]

How does one Sim for a tank?

[potent tree]

U don’t

[merry sluice]

both tanks and healers sim for damage

tankiness cannot be simmed

[heavy sparrow]

Ohh

So as a tank we sim for damage

Abb

Ahh

[edgy bone]

Can you explain why my 639 larynx sims worse than my 626 skarmorak, on 5 patchwerk 90sec fight

[heavy sparrow]

Sorry. Im 100% new to sim

[potent tree]

No need to be sorry. Perfectly valid question

[torpid pelican]

I have the option to pick [Throngus's Finger] in my vault on Myth track. Is the trinket any good?

[potent tree]

Is that your only option for myth track?

[torpid pelican]

yeah. rest is kinda meh Heroic track

So its the trinket or Socket

[potent tree]

What are your trinkets? Pretty sure that trinket is shit and socket is better

But maybe someone else knows better

[torpid pelican]

Sharmorak Shard (chamption track) & Detachable Frang (chamption track)

I think Throngus's Finger] sound pretty bad... too RNG; and no Main stat and no damage

[solid sun]

You’d get it every minute if it procs on blocks right

Not to say it’s good but I don’t think it’s rng

[torpid pelican]

True. But playing around dodge as a defensive sound kinda RNG

[potent tree]

Fang is also a very bad trinket, so I understand why u are considering. But I personally would go socket if everything else is bad

[solid sun]

Have you factored in tmog

[torpid pelican]

yeah. My thought is, i can farm better trinket from M+... they just need to drop

[jaunty jacinth]

Whats the CR gear for this season? is it still the engineering?

[jagged pier]

no

[toxic pewter]

go to ah and buy jumper cables. anyone can buy and use them

[solid sun]

Is it a one time use

[oblique quarry]

Yeah

[waxen frigate]

Yes

[chilly brook]

Dogwater trinket

[bronze wraith]

I had a guildie give me a 616 egg with speed and holy shit this trinket is busted as shit

[austere sleet]

anyone got a way to mute warrior shouts like ignore pain and stuff? tried leatrix but doesnt seem to work

[solid sun]

In GB the 2nd boss arena has like a zig zag pattern of packs

Rock elemental pack and then a small group and then another rock elemental pack and then another small group and then I think it’s one more rock elemental pack

When the boss is patrolling how do y’all go about handling those packs

[oblique quarry]

but this is the whole fun of playing a warrior 😦

[fervent fiber]

can someone explain why mountain thane is better than colossus?

[tropic linden]

any other way? Died earlier today cause cleansed the first cast but for the second my avatar was at 50s CD

[fervent fiber]

my dmg output is like 25% higher with colossus

and survivability seems the same if not better

with the 15% ignore pain increase

[coarse sparrow]

I wanna try experimenting with Colossus more too

[urban portal]

you get a LOT more rage

[bronze wraith]

In raid, both are good. In m+, your survivability is way better woth thane. More rage, better windows, and better abilities. You od more damage, but unless you are farming content, thane does near comparable damage and is way better in almost evey aspect.

[urban portal]

which means more of everything

[coarse sparrow]

if you're getting more damage/shield per point of rage theres probably a mathematical breakpoint where they're even. More rage = better spec is kind of flawed logic

[lusty grotto]

its not flawed logic

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[lusty grotto]

thats what prot warrior is

read Anger Management, Outburst, Indomitable

[ornate thicket]

Looool

[toxic pewter]

we are a rage churning entity

that is all we are good for

[bronze wraith]

Have you tried pushing content with both?

[graceful kite]

Pull first giant pack where it stands, pull pack on the other side

if boss is far away pull second giant pack and everyone stand close to lava

[fervent fiber]

just tried out colossus today and have only done farm content

[graceful kite]

boss won't aggro

[fervent fiber]

i figure colossus HAS to be worse, becuase every single warrior on murlok is using mountain thane

but it feels SO nice to me rn

[lusty grotto]

here you go https://www.wowhead.com/news/protection-warrior-hero-talent-showdown-in-the-war-within-colossus-vs-mountain-345818

[narrow hull]

gonna give colossus a whirl in raid tonight.

[lusty grotto]

its also under the guide

[ornate thicket]

Being able to clap, avatar clap, clap is so nice for snap aoe threat in keys

[bronze wraith]

I think that will be the difference make. When you need damage, Colossus just does more. Thane will push content better.

[fresh merlin]

Colossus better for playing with people you know

[lusty grotto]

colossus is fun, its just not for pushing, its for dps

[bronze wraith]

I wish colossus was better 😦

[oblique quarry]

me too

[lusty grotto]

i dont

its fine as it is

[violet ginkgo]

Speaking of which Nim, for execute build (rashanan) Thane should be better right because we have much more rage to be spent on executing?

[fresh merlin]

It has buffs on ptr or is that only for arms

[toxic pewter]

plus thane gets 15% buff to execute

[lusty grotto]

i dont think rage is a factor

in rash

colossus might might be better than overall rage

[fresh merlin]

Executing the affix mob is nice

[lusty grotto]

could be slightly more dps for colossus execute

[plush tendon]

Colossus adds Fyrak axe to rotation and a keybind

Mountain Thane gives lightning and no new buttons

[ornate thicket]

Affix mob so toxic syncing with bosses with shields required to be broken vs mass aoe dmg on group lol

[plush tendon]

the choice is pretty obvious

[graceful kite]

good thing they atleast reverted the buff

[ornate thicket]

Fr

[graceful kite]

disc priest might be good with week btw

with swd doing bonus damage to shields

[ornate thicket]

The cdr is desyncing my champ spear and ravager too

[plush tendon]

disc priest is generally pretty good

[graceful kite]

imagine being fury who had avatar and reck macrod

with avatar also not cdring

horrible week I think I'll do 4 10s and bounce

[round pendant]

tyranical is so fucking dog

[ornate thicket]

Ive got one more 10 for my 4 and bounce

[graceful kite]

true

[tribal wharf]

i hate fort way more

[round pendant]

You're wrong

but that's ok

[graceful kite]

but I literally cant do dungeons after I got affix spawn exaclty in 1 second with stitchflesh getting hooked

boom 30m hp add for you

have fun

[tribal wharf]

nah, fort means there is 100 mobs that can 1 shot your healer with random bolt

tyranical is, oh, i have to get out of the laser this time

[graceful kite]

you have both on 10

[plush tendon]

ngl, thats been me for a while

granted, Im going to another bachelor party this weekend so time kind of a issue

[graceful kite]

first week affix gave haste and it was fun

[fluid widget]

Are trinkets different in m+ compared to raid?

[graceful kite]

second week affix was fun when we failed orbs and mobs started doing some damage and hp started moving from 100%

[round pendant]

tyranical just makes bosses so fucking overtuned

1 guy dies and you can't kill the boss

[ornate thicket]

Lmfao rekt.

[graceful kite]

but this is just plain trash

[round pendant]

so many keys bricked on first boss

[graceful kite]

it's like explosive but even less fun

[tribal wharf]

fuck explosive

[narrow hull]

explosive healer affix, I miss not caring about it.

[graceful kite]

depends

[tribal wharf]

they never ever found a way to make that one good

[graceful kite]

some bosses still do nothing

[ornate thicket]

I had 2 idiots die to dodgeballs on mistcaller 10 and we finished her with tank heals 1 dps left

[tribal wharf]

thats how bad it is

[graceful kite]

shit bosses are worse

arakara last boss literally does 0 damage for the whole fight

I had healer die multiple times my dps dispelled themselves and we killed it anyways

[ornate thicket]

Explosive was fun on rdru and rsham

Stressful at times tho

[graceful kite]

you had some fun interactions with explosive

like proccing killing mob mechanic or first attacking mob mechainc

with mouseover execute macros

[ornate thicket]

They should have given 3% stacking stat buff per kill

[graceful kite]

they should just remove affix giving mobs dr

nobody likes doing less damage

[ornate thicket]

Letting bosses get 3 orbs last week was also death when it had a 30% dmg buff before aoe event lol

[graceful kite]

arakara last boss wasnt a problem but then again she does 0 damage

we had her eat up like 7

[ornate thicket]

Yeah she is ez as long as dps can do their one job...not die to the suck

[edgy bone]

@lusty grotto Could you help me understand why my 639 larynx is simming worse than my 626 Skarmorak? 5patchwerk 90second fight

[graceful kite]

why arent you simming 5 min?

ah 5 patchwerk

[edgy bone]

Because packs don't last 5 minutes in M+

and hectic addcleave isn't an accurate sim

@strong forum What's your opinion on Larynx? I have a 639 but it doesn't sim that well

[strong forum]

its rly good

[lofty veldt]

Hi friends! Just finished 8/8 normal on colossus giving it a try for fun and I had a blast!

Hope everyone had a nice day 🫵🏼

[tribal wharf]

it has some downsides but everything that isnt a downside is gravy

it doesnt have mainstat static

[strong forum]

its basically eggsac but with a dmg on-use

[edgy bone]

Bloodmallet shows it WAY worse than Skarmorak shard, so do sims

[tribal wharf]

and the stacks dont refresh on application, making it hard to get to max stacks

[edgy bone]

Ovi egg + skarmorak/larynx

Skarmorak seems to win every time

[strong forum]

"way worse"

[tropic linden]

Been doing Heroic and the dmg in almost 0, so does not matter what build we use for heroic and normal raid. Maybe mythic hit harder and u need to prep better

[strong forum]

uhuh chief

WAY WORSE

[edgy bone]

Wher is this from?

[strong forum]

bloodmallet...

[edgy bone]

That's not what mine is showing

[edgy bone]

Single target yes

[strong forum]

yeah

[edgy bone]

5target holy cow look at the gap

[strong forum]

its almost

like 1.5min CD trinkets line up with our CDs

[edgy bone]

3 target just as bad

[narrow hull]

damn thats a whopping 2%, anyways

[strong forum]

"just as bad"

[edgy bone]

So why would anyone run Larynx in M+?

[strong forum]

cuz its literally eggsac

but with a dmg on-use

[edgy bone]

I'm just trying to understand

[tribal wharf]

........... my brother..........

[strong forum]

look at eggsac

it also sims really badly does it

[tribal wharf]

have you TRIED it?

go get one

[strong forum]

yet

[tribal wharf]

try it

[edgy bone]

I have a 639

[strong forum]

its the hottest item around

[tribal wharf]

then you can report back

[strong forum]

yeah so use it

larynx fucking slaps

[edgy bone]

Ovi egg + larynx?

[strong forum]

sac + larynx

ovi egg is

[edgy bone]

@lusty grotto where you at little bro

all these sims disagree with everything people are saying

[tribal wharf]

ya, you want red balls not blue balls

[edgy bone]

Ovi egg way higher up on all the sims too

So are sims legit or are sims lying garbage?

[strong forum]

yeah but ovi egg is shit in practice

it may be good on paper but shit in practice

[edgy bone]

Because you have to minmax the balance of stacks?

[strong forum]

yeup

if you dont min-max the stacks

its trash

[edgy bone]

I see

And the sims are assuming

That you're using the on-use on CD

[strong forum]

sims always assume perfect usage

[edgy bone]

and perfectly minmaxing stacks

Got it

[strong forum]

correct

sims are a vacuum

so the results have to be used with caution and common sense

[tribal wharf]

sim assumes you play perectly

[torpid briar]

sims are also not perfect.

[tribal wharf]

with no downtime

[strong forum]

sims are only as good as we write them

[jagged pier]

brah mandate cant do half the hp of the affix in one go

[strong forum]

as arms a crit would be able to 1shot it

[jagged pier]

oo havent crit is in arms only prot

[edgy bone]

DO you bind Larynx to your avatar macro?

[tribal wharf]

larynx is a pretty good bacon replacement for me

i dunno if i will ever get mandate

[lament cloak]

Mmmmm bacon

[dark cosmos]

How do you guys farm lower levels of crests? Do you just do lower keys? It feels weird to go just spam +4s just for crests

[toxic pewter]

why would i farm lower level crests

[torpid briar]

you can do hc raid too

[dark cosmos]

I have tons of hero gear to upgrade still, what do you mean?

[strong forum]

no

i have keybinds for both tgrinket slots

[toxic pewter]

oh I thought you were talking about weathered and carved crests I guess

[dark cosmos]

Do you know how many 8 bosses gives you?

[dark cosmos]

Oh na I just don't do below 10 keys

[torpid briar]

no clue, but they give a good amount

[dark cosmos]

Er 9 I guess

[toxic pewter]

heroic raid prob gives like 90 runed crests or somethhin

[narrow hull]

practice offspec and grief in low keys

[tribal wharf]

what the bacon used to be like

[shrewd plinth]

Hero raid gives 60 runed and 20 gilded

[dark cosmos]

Ah tyty

[shrewd plinth]

Last 2 bosses give the bigger stuff

[dark cosmos]

Ya I guess I can sink my friends 7s

[narrow hull]

https://media.tenor.com/acU28-Gj1W0AAAAM/jack-nicholson-jack.gif

[shrewd plinth]

Just bring your big utility to the keys 🙂

[dark cosmos]

i mean my fury gear is better than my prot gear unfortunately

so i might just time them

[cosmic dagger]

Hi, Guys did they fixed in Grim Batol Third boss the cheat with standing between the pillars with the boss? the Boss Disappeared for us at 1% .

[shrewd plinth]

I had that flipped a couple days ago xD. Fury main but all I’ve been doing is tanking guildie keys cause we’re tank light

[dark cosmos]

i crafted my 2h to pump in raid is the main thing, im not tanking raid

[mortal plinth]

anyone here use Nomeratur's Weakaura bundle know how I can get shield slam to glow when its on CD?

[dark cosmos]

even though 95% of my time is just solo pug m+ goblin

[mortal plinth]

sorry i mean when its active

[dark cosmos]

i dont even mythic raid i dont know why i cared LOL

[inner wren]

thats a pretty simple trigger/condition add

[shrewd plinth]

I want the 90 crests to make the big sword

[dark cosmos]

you want it to glow when it IS on cd?

[shrewd plinth]

Trying to skip the 45 of the tier 3s

[dark cosmos]

if you spend 95% of your time in solo pug m+ goblin mode gilded crests come easy

this i can tell you

and by easy i mean 33% key success rate trench life

[shrewd plinth]

The 9s? There are defs peeps out there that can slam them. Still not strong enough to carry a dead spot

I was gunna say

[dark cosmos]

tbf though

my timing rate has probably gotten better as i started doing higher keys haha

im sure itll go back down at 12 but like damn +11s feel easier than +9s given the players

[shrewd plinth]

Peeps up there want to do them. The 9 is a pretty big gate

[dark cosmos]

ya exactly

[jagged pier]

Yes

[dark cosmos]

a huge diff between 10 and 11 for the same reason

weekly 10s are so bad vs. poeople doing 11s for literally no reason

(such as myself)

[narrow hull]

people choke too much in 10's, just do the dumbest shit imaginable

easily timable to bricked.

[dark cosmos]

i mena its just a big demographic shift

10s are mostly people who do 8 total dungeons a week and then 11s are full of people who have done like 90 runs already this season

and its not like numerically 11 is hugely harder than 10

I was standing in shit too when i had only done each dungeon once or twice, i easily understand

[narrow hull]

Like, 10 dawn, enough time left, monk rolls off boat 2x times on last boss, fine whatever.jpg, remaining mage dps fucks up line side and dies running into a puddle or something the second lust comes off cd. Bricked. Can't make this stuff up. Okay/

[chilly brook]

I do like 800k+ as a tank and it’s still not enough to carry dead weight 😦

[dark cosmos]

Ya I mean its easy to make a mistake though, and it really only takes a couple to deplete if you arent blasting/pulling big

[chilly brook]

10s are such a slog if dps are slacking

[narrow hull]

^

[dark cosmos]

Ya I did a NW 11 yesterday where everyone just had ZERO ST like all full aoe pad build

holy moly that was bad

[chilly brook]

The irony is if they’re not you can just go pack to pack no big pulls and time it if no one dies

[narrow hull]

have had dps purposely holding cd's for 1st boss through like 6 packs.

[dark cosmos]

This is true but i feel like its not a good strategy honestly in practice, because people always end up making a little mistake and you end up with no leeway

[chilly brook]

This is why I love playing WW

[round pendant]

how much dps should my unholy dk friend be doing in +9s

🤔

[shrewd plinth]

You might just quintuple pull into boss after waiting 12 seconds

[dark cosmos]

At least for me I find it better to play a bit riskier and buy yourself margin

[shrewd plinth]

Gotta save those cds

[fluid widget]

At least 5

[chilly brook]

I lose like 20k dps between raid single target build and my M+ build for

[dark cosmos]

and id rather deplete in the first 10 minutes and leave and go next :)

[chilly brook]

[hazy dagger]

Hey, having a slight issue with agro sometimes.
It’s fine when I have ravager, avatar and champions spear, but I read you’re supposed to use all 3 together right?
Then the next pull I go in and thunder clap, but then I don’t have thunder clap for 5 seconds and I lose agro, should I be using revenge there? I’ve been trying to spam ignore pain for survival. What do you guys do to ensure agro?

[dark cosmos]

than go all the way and be 33:00/31:00

[chilly brook]

Oh I’m at the point where I pull big anywhere I can

[shrewd plinth]

Shield charge is a gnarly engage for aggro/shield block set up

[chilly brook]

If nothing else because I enjoy seeing my DPS skyrocket to 4m when I get Flurry Strikes to proc and pop my CDs as Brew

[shrewd plinth]

That t clap ignore pain to open, fight for aggro from there, maybe aoe taunt if all cd from last pull

[dark cosmos]

ya im gearing my brew

brew is where my heart lies

[chilly brook]

Why would you shield charge at the start

Charge brother

Charge

Get that rage

[dark cosmos]

You use both

[smoky anvil]

I’m only a 2184 goomba, but typically I rotate big CDs you mentioned together in a 2-3 pack pull. I’ll avoid doing any other 2 pack pulls unless I have Avatar in which case it’s tclap Into avatar proc’ing Thunder blast, or demo shouting into a shield charge.

[dark cosmos]

charge -> shield charge

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dark cosmos]

opener for a aoe pack you can just
charge -> shield charge -> tc+ip
and youll have aoe threat, IP, SB within 1 global

[chilly brook]

I would probably get the short CDs rolling first but eh

[inland raft]

Charge thunderclap shield charge revenge and i usually have everything unless a ret or fury pop everything in first global but thats on them

[smoky anvil]

Shield charge is generally enough by itself unless your dps are blowing their loads in a major way

It’s giga dam

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t matter hugely unless you’re missing casts

But uhh if you’re noticing some problems use a bit more revenge I guess or spread your shield slam

Or something

[dark cosmos]

This is partly alsoi just dps fault to be realistic

[hazy dagger]

Ahh… that’s what I was missing… I didn’t realise shield charge was AOE damage… thanks

[dark cosmos]

if youre doing a big gather and have clapped 1 time and your fury warr/frost dk/cringe dh pulls like....

ok go next lol

[smoky anvil]

The surrounding mobs need to be stacked around your shield charge target, but yes, aoe.

[inland raft]

I mean they can go next, once they die the movs come back to you

[hazy dagger]

That willl definitely help me now thanks, I knew I was overlooking something

[round pendant]

cool

[dark cosmos]

I mean go next as in leave the key and return to group finder

woah

[fluid widget]

Would that change if you have spear/ravager available?

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[chilly brook]

If you have spear/ravager available you probably send those asap

Alongside avatar

[mighty valley]

you should likely be using revenge more based on what you're saying here, if you think of IP as the button you just press to prevent capping rage, you'll use it plenty and still have rage in the tank for an offensive ability every gcd

[inland raft]

I feel most dps realize its their fault if they get aggro at start of a pull or at least my experience is ive only ever had one ret complain about aggro usually they just release and run back in silence so assume they are aware of their sins

[dark cosmos]

You ideally wanna use those first but realistically sometimes you cant place them yet cause youre still moving etc, its more complicated than just "ideal dps is to drop ravager first"

in terms of sheer damage yes ravager to open

[raven knoll]

is there a reason for the wowhead guide only to have one m+ spec? like is it the best end all? cause i saw ppl playing with into the fray or bolstering for example. also the roar gets taken over spear

[mighty valley]

i delay shield charge til after demo/spear usually for the damage amp and more gathered mobs

[dark cosmos]

Its just a starting point

[chilly brook]

Itf is dam build basically that’s sacrificing survival

[dark cosmos]

If you really want to know you have to look at what high level tanks are running for every dungeon, and it also depends on your gear, haste etc

[chilly brook]

At least this early in season for most people

[raven knoll]

what is ltf build sorry

[raven knoll]

okey copy that thanks

[dark cosmos]

into the fray

[chilly brook]

High level tanks that actually know the class

[mighty valley]

i don't know why people are itching so hard to get on ITF, usually I get it since start of season feels slow but thane solves that to me

[dark cosmos]

i mean if theyre timing 13s/14s they know something

[chilly brook]

And then you need to know why they’re doing it

[dark cosmos]

and you can go ask in comments/stream etc

[chilly brook]

Yeah how to play the dungeons

[dark cosmos]

or watch where they use etc etc

[raven knoll]

same thing for me, with the option tto have double shieldwall, or one beeing up faster

like we have that many opttions

[chilly brook]

We’ve seen consistently people doing weird things that don’t math out but they time high keys

[dark cosmos]

i mean listen ya you can time something despite doing something wrong but at some pooint weve gotta get info from somewhere

[hazy dagger]

I was using revenge a lot more last week but after watching Dorki’s prot warr guide he pretty much said ignore revenge and spam IP, to stack up the %. Which I did and felt a lot more tanky. But I guess it’s just a balance, I think now I know about shield charge doing good aoe dmg I won’t have such a problem

[inland raft]

Because they are super good players so even if they dont play the ideal build they are still better then most and so perform, doesnt automatically make their builds ideal

[chilly brook]

It doesn’t mean that they’re playing the class optimally

[fluid widget]

Cool thank you! I’ll get some more practice and improve 🙂

[chilly brook]

Case in point warriors using Codex in S3/S4 of SL

[smoky anvil]

Louder for the people in the back. Fuggin’ bars.

[dark cosmos]

Yes but why does that mean they arent your best chance at getting good info?

something can be 80% correct but still more correct than everyone else

[chilly brook]

I have yet to see someone be more correct than Nom

[dark cosmos]

ok so is he gonna tell me how to build for all my keys? where is he?

[fluid widget]

Would it be more important to craft a shield over a myth tier embellishment?

[chilly brook]

He probably would actually

[inland raft]

Nom writes the wowhead guide and has a proven track record of proper build theorycrafting. He has often come in and timed keys the big boys do in lower ilvl while doing more damage and taking less

[chilly brook]

Wouldn’t be the first time he’s said what talents to take and which to drop for certain keys

[dark cosmos]

ya i mean im not discounting nom but like im sure yoda or whoever has an idea of how to build prot warrior lol

[chilly brook]

Yoda is a prot pally boi

[violet ginkgo]

yoda surely doesn't know how

[dark cosmos]

arguing against "go look at prot warriors timing 14s and how they build" just seems weird

[chilly brook]

It’s not weird

We have a proven track record of “top warriors” not playing correctly and not building correctly

[dark cosmos]

bruh

[chilly brook]

….

[dark cosmos]

alright well im not that interested in arguing this thats just my advice

no hard feelings

[chilly brook]

Wow someone rerolled for a meta

Crazy

[inland raft]

Noone is saying their builds are trash, the number one change for them is taking itf and taking bsv. They are very good players and thise changes arent going to be difference between timing keys or not but speaking from a objective mathematical stance noms builds are more optimal

[proper flicker]

what ilvl is reasonable to start tanking 10s? I have a lot of haste/mastery gear as fury but considering switching to prot for m+ pugging

[chilly brook]

I mean sometimes they are

[dark cosmos]

if youll get accepted your ilvls fine

[fluid widget]

Yoda also has prot pally still

[plush tendon]

Yoda has every tank

[dark cosmos]

yoda has everything dude hes literally releasing dk/dh/pally/warr videos like daily lol

guys just a tank enjoyer

my man

[plush tendon]

hes gonna play FoTM

[raven knoll]

i mean his legit #1 warrior timing high keys on differnt chars. how can his info be completly bs

[chilly brook]

Naowh has even talked about this shit before talking about how people don’t bother to optimize prot warrior

[plush tendon]

and keep everything up to date

[tribal wharf]

they need badly to take this back from shadowlands and recolour the fuck out of it and then stick it on the wow shop or the traders post.
all kinds of colours tons of them, especially more about the liquid inside, but outside shell and fittings as well,
blue purple, red, yellow, teal etc

[chilly brook]

I didn’t say his info specifically was first of all

[tribal wharf]

i swear if they did that they would make so much damn money selling that

[chilly brook]

But having watched his stuff prior to the release of the season he wasn’t exactly the most knowledgeable about the spec either

[smoky anvil]

This is turning into Skyhold’s version of tbc classic fight club’s “why Armadillo use dagger”

[chilly brook]

When you’re doing high ass keys there’s much more important things to worry about anyways than did I press my buttons the most perfectly

[inland raft]

Feels like every day its the same discussion. End of day if want to take bsv over ravager or itf over hr do it. Its objectively not ideal but in bsv case it is a good talent just jot needed if play right. And itf is more damage but is prone to downtime on block meaning need to either kite or run the risk of getting super unlucky with blocks without guarenteed block from shield block

[chilly brook]

Playing the dungeon>playing the class

[jagged pier]

welcome to fotmers being in here tre

[dark cosmos]

Crazy idea: why dont people just try them all and see...

[chilly brook]

Why do the work that’s already done for you again?

[dark cosmos]

I mean theres arguments here every day about what talents to use

im jsut gonna go see for myself

[chilly brook]

Because people are convinced they know better than someone else who not only has played the spec for far longer than they have but also does all the testing to formulate the builds

FOTM Andy’s

[rocky dove]

Does anyone know a way to make the game actually REMEMBER my bar setup when I queue for a dungeon? This is the third time I have had to abandon a group because the game decided that no fuck you, I won't actually use your new setup in this dungeon

[chilly brook]

What’s the point of even being here if you’re going to disregard the information put forth by the theorycrafters

[dark cosmos]

Right but i mean youre saying the guide writer for wowhead knows all, on the wowhead prot guide theres 1 single m+ spec, how does that help me?

Is there a secret source of his builds for every dungeon and all my possible comps? Genuine question i want access

[fluid widget]

I want his opinion of swarmlord to be true

[chilly brook]

Are you dying because of your talent build?

For the sake of simplification

[dark cosmos]

Im not really dying at all, why would that mean i wouldnt want better talents lol?

[chilly brook]

If you’re not dying then there’s no reason to consider BSV build

[dark cosmos]

Im sure ill die immediately once i go from 11 to 12 anyway

[chilly brook]

Which would only leave you with ITF

[dark cosmos]

ok but where are you getting this info

thats my question

Im genuinely asking where i can look

[chilly brook]

And we already know when ITF is a better option than HR

[chilly brook]

The discord

The guide is just a guide, it’s designed to get people into the spec and a firm foundation

Not to be an end all be all codex

That’s what the discord exists for

[dark cosmos]

Ya but again people are arguing here day in and day out, how do i know who to trust? I'm not trying to be difficult here I'm just saying why I tend to go just try stuff

[sharp gale]

He rant about people not listening longer war discord people but disregard your own comment he replied where you say « just try »

[solid sun]

I’ve been able to tag nom and ask him questions directly and he’s answered. I have also ventured to his stream and asked questions. I’ve asked questions here

[chilly brook]

^

[dark cosmos]

I cannot read this sentence

[chilly brook]

If you’re really confused on who to trust just ask Nom

[sharp gale]

Im not native English speaker sorry 😞

[chilly brook]

Yellow and Orange names are going to be the most accurate information

[dark cosmos]

No worries haha I'm just not sure what you mean

[fluid widget]

Don’t trust the brown names

[chilly brook]

I mean some brown names are fine

[plush tendon]

yea, brown name people are a bunch of schmucks

[potent tree]

Addon called myslot. Haven’t seen if anybody answered u

[jagged gust]

I halp

[rocky dove]

Yeah, I use that

[chilly brook]

On a different note, I’ve only been able to DPS 2 keys this season

Fuck being a good tank

You get slotted into tanking keys

[plush tendon]

Ive been busing this fall

so many god damn weddings

.... so now all of our plate dps tank more then me

hehe

[sharp gale]

I’ve been able to dps 15 ara Kara +7

[plush tendon]

[jagged gust]

Just be a better DPS than your co-tank and run with them 🙂

[potent tree]

There is not only one build

[neon elk]

Thats something a susy brown name would say

[shrewd plinth]

My name is a slightly different brown if you look hard enough -source (me)

[sharp gale]

You are one of the good brown name people

[chilly brook]

That’s the neat part, I’m not even a tank in raid but everyone wants me to tank instead

[potent tree]

U should be able to export your saved settings if u use it

[plush tendon]

its not cause you're a good tank; its blizzard secret agenda to turn every raid plate dps into a M+ tank

[shrewd plinth]

💪

[plush tendon]

thats why they keep nerfing dps war

they want yall to tank for their precious mages in keys

[frigid epoch]

Hello
I have an issue that i randomly go into battle stance, do any of you have an idea why?

[sharp gale]

Maybe this week I will convince my friends to do a full tank +10

[shrewd plinth]

Never done it before… but what if I just started dragging mobs over my ranged dps. share the melee world with them and baptize them in their own blood?

[chilly brook]

I’m not even plate dps

I’m a filthy monk

[potent tree]

U sure it’s random? Not an old macro u had, or something of the sorts

[chilly brook]

But I don’t fall over in packs and do smol dam as a tank

(Our tanks are blood dk and prot pally)

[frigid epoch]

100% its me clicking smth, but i only have 4 macros as of right now, intervene, HT, Spear and ravager

[plush tendon]

ewww, brewmaster

Ion is taking notes; hell have you MW in no time

cant have melee dps in keys

[chilly brook]

Hey at least I’m no FOTM player

[plush tendon]

[shrewd plinth]

I think dstance and battle stance show up on your screen somewhere separate of the hot bar but you’d probably notice if you clicked that?

Are you changing from fury to prot frequently?

[chilly brook]

Honestly I fuck with MW

Fistweaving is badass

[potent tree]

If you are not miss clicking your binds or have a macro that puts u in bstance, not sure what it could be

[sharp gale]

I Will use the word Griff : Essence font

[frigid epoch]

You a genious

[shrewd plinth]

If you’re fury outside the key, and then go to prot you may end up in battle stance the whole key if you don’t check?

[frigid epoch]

my guy

Thanks alot

[shrewd plinth]

Ah nvm nice. Glad you found it

[frigid epoch]

Was bound to my old stance swap buttons on the mice

back when u stance danced...

[chilly brook]

Never liked it

[sharp gale]

No one ever liked it

[chilly brook]

Yeah so good thing it’s gone

I honestly just miss brew and especially MW having chi

[sharp gale]

Ancient teachings baseline in .5 it grinds my gears

[tribal wharf]

whats best way to do boss 1 threads

[chilly brook]

Class as a whole was just better when every spec had chi

[tribal wharf]

cuz i will wipe the shit out of my group since its tyranical now

i alwys fuck up that boss

[smoky anvil]

Mark your head

[shrewd plinth]

They need to watch orbs unless you’re making them stand in puddle?

[hoary pivot]

What part?

[sharp gale]

I played brew in Nyalotha it had chi? I don’t even remember

[smoky anvil]

Tell your idiots to follow you when he does his cummy blast.

Ez

[chilly brook]

Nah not then

It had chi from mists to WoD

Chi was removed from BrM and MW in Legion

[tribal wharf]

its when the puddle goes down, and then i panic leap 3 yards away for 70% ms for 3s,

[smoky anvil]

Don’t panic

[tribal wharf]

or i go too far or something

[shrewd plinth]

No no rushing

[tribal wharf]

and then people just take loads of dmg and die

[smoky anvil]

You mark yourself, you backpeddle out and have them follow

[shrewd plinth]

Slow and steady or you’ll gib them bad

[hoary pivot]

The puddle always happens richt after the channeled unavoidable party damage

[chilly brook]

Stop panicking

[smoky anvil]

This

[sharp gale]

And ping yourself when she does the spell

[chilly brook]

Ping the direction you want to go

[hoary pivot]

During the channel, use ping to indicate where you want to go

[shrewd plinth]

After the indoctrination or whatever, wiggle back slow. Tell them to stack with you so they all know whetr

[chilly brook]

During channel get ready to move

[tribal wharf]

beter to take him left or right from where he starts?

[hoary pivot]

And immediately start moving there after the channel

[limpid ruin]

I feel attacked

[chilly brook]

And then move right after but slowly

[tribal wharf]

i just hate that boss, he will wipe us if i run that key

more so than 3rd or final

[smoky anvil]

It just takes getting used to

[shrewd plinth]

Whereever you go just note the size of the last puddle and don’t leave them partially in it. Got to give them 360 degrees around for orbs

[tribal wharf]

2nd will be super easy

[sharp gale]

She can be dragged really far so I don’t know where is best, any way you will not get stuck I guess

[hoary pivot]

Its really the only thing you have to do. Ping and slowly move until there is enough space between the boss and the puddle for players to stand

[smoky anvil]

The second gave me ptsd after 3 groups let me die to the blue circle. They’d run out when I tried leaping on them.

[shrewd plinth]

On lawd alkaraz i feel that. Jump to them and they all scatter 3 different directions

[plush tendon]

they already got you! making you play BDK

[hoary pivot]

I always remind the group that there is a tank soak that happens twice within a short time and set a marker to move towards to together for the overlap while soaking

[plush tendon]

or else Bradz has to tank VDH for brood

[hoary pivot]

Bc people forget

[plush tendon]

all part of Ion's plan to get rid of melee

forcing us all to tank

[shrewd plinth]

I promise guys I’m a decent tank I didn’t just pick up and dump my circle on as many people as possible for fun

[plush tendon]

[shrewd plinth]

Please hug me, it’s cold

[smoky anvil]

“Just wall it lol”

[tawdry seal]

is it worth crafting there with haste only stat?
can i socket cr into tinker socket if im not engineer, or smth else?

[wooden widget]

Cr is an item this expansion you just buy from the AH

[tawdry seal]

oh really

[round pendant]

\

not quite sure how I'm supposed to do this on a +10 with puggers

only 4 deaths too

this affix seems to fuck your time too

[violet ginkgo]

I am not sure that will be a good idea. Yeah sure we want haste primarily but we also want other stats.

[round cliff]

if ppl kill the damn add like theyre supposed to u waste almost no time

[round pendant]

Yeah I feel like people aren't targetting it

[plush tendon]

either more aggressive pulling, or more damage

bigger pumpers

[round cliff]

bitches be like "ima cleave it" no bitch

switch to it n kill it in 0.5 sec

its done w/

[sharp gale]

I think it’s damage doesn’t really need big pulls in grim

[round pendant]

GB feels like a very single pull dungeon

[sharp gale]

10

It is not

[round pendant]

If you pull twice in the last third you get fucked

[plush tendon]

for sure

GB is a single pull dungeon

unless you have a plan in a premade

so it seems like its just a numbies thing

people in your pug just werent doing big numbies

[round pendant]

low damage

[sharp gale]

Unless I don’t understand what single pull means

[plush tendon]

like you dont double up on packs

[round pendant]

mainly nerfed by the bosses though, they were all kinda low ST dps and the bosses took forever

usually the dk (my friend) is doing over 1m, still low tho

need to tell him to git gud

[sharp gale]

Like you don’t take the drake with the first pack ?

[plush tendon]

so thats a fine double pull

[sharp gale]

Or is double this pack with the rest

[plush tendon]

I'm more considering something like take the first 3 with dragon into the pathing pack

thats a spicey pull for a pug

[sharp gale]

Can overseers be disenragedor it’s not really an enrage ?

[pallid quiver]

They can be iirc

If you mean the GB ones

[sharp gale]

Yes the reason you don’t take all the corner with the 3 guy patrol

At the beginning after the drake

[plush tendon]

double overseers, as far as I am aware, is not a good idea

but you can chain the packs before you get on the red drakes when overseers die

[sharp gale]

That’s what I do

[plush tendon]

then you do the red drakes and that trash is just free

then I usually do this

[jagged girder]

I've been doing an Ara +11 and suffered too much with an skill called Extraction Strike from after first boss pulls. There's something I'm missing from this skill? It was depleting my 100% IP on one shot :/

[sharp gale]

On the bottom I take the guys at the altar with your pack but don’t take sleeping guys, we exactly do the same apart from that

[plush tendon]

though, writing it out like this, I do see some double pull opprotunities

[echo egret]

I don't get a warning for the rift on me during the Nexus-Princess fight, is that normal ?

[plush tendon]

might be a little spicey though

[narrow hull]

I've done this together

[plush tendon]

yea, I was eyeing that

[pallid quiver]

There's just specific mobs you need to address, either by soothes or timing CCs, like Overseers and the Ogres

You can also probably pull the double lavabender into third boss with lust

Since third boss first phase is a nothing burger

[plush tendon]

yea, I like that

still prob not needed for weekly 10s and 11s

but thats stonks for later

[pallid quiver]

i stole the idea from what i saw from crit's stream on like week 1, so credit to him and his crew

[sharp gale]

Yeah I still don’t venture in 12s territory no point before ilvl is maxed for me

[limpid ruin]

Too late for that edit. I’m doing it for all of my weekly keys

[plush tendon]

I was actually thinking in the second boss area we could take the 3 pack with a 4 pack

[fluid widget]

Are there any issues of crafting a 636 shield with an embellishment?

[sharp gale]

Don’t need crazy packs for 10/11

[limpid ruin]

You can the first with the second

Then pull mid with boss

[pallid quiver]

Second boss area I'm always worried about double pulls since you'll need to gather the casters quickly, or else they can pull Thong Boy while you're fighting

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[plush tendon]

new idea, you start the first pack, then when the boss comes you pull middle with it

and then during first mace you pull the rest!

[sharp gale]

Don’t know if you can los them with the stairs

[limpid ruin]

Though tbh you can normie pull that place forget trash and on the way back to get it tell your shamen to jump off the edge and still time.

[pallid quiver]

The DPS I run with can barely live the weapon changes with boss alone

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrion-lannister-game-of-thrones-go-t-trial-trial-by-combat-gif-5628302

[sharp gale]

Got a friend the first pull he take the overseer with first pack and drake, I might try it as well to see

[plush tendon]

only way theyll learn is to throw em into the fray

[pallid quiver]

The fray is already the boss alone

It's just an execution adding in more ape damage

Yknow, i meant to say aoe, but ape damage is goated

[plush tendon]

but think of the overalls

[jagged gust]

It's better than pulling 2 overseers by stringing the pat and 4th pack together tbh

[plush tendon]

frost dk, breathing on boss and packs of adds

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, maybe they'd finally pass 1m DPS overalls 🙂

[plush tendon]

hell be so happy

and does Thorag do anything?

I know tank has to run away and you point a frontal off the side

maybe a dot goes out?

idk

he seems like a big meat boi

[pallid quiver]

Sword phase is tank busters

[sharp gale]

Do necrotic wake to do big overall, it’s my highest yet

[pallid quiver]

Axe phase is where you all bait cleaves

[sharp gale]

« Tank buster »

[pallid quiver]

So basically, stand at edge, then CD the swings, then run away or die

[jagged gust]

rinse and repeat

[pallid quiver]

also aoe damage every wep change, though that's a dps problem

[jagged gust]

Perfect time for a cheeky SR

[frank rock]

does spears in NW stack or do we have to chain them?

have anyone tried it?

[sharp gale]

Stack

40 seconds third boss

[frank rock]

yea so everyone just pop them at once

[sharp gale]

45 seconds* in my 10

[frank rock]

3*16 seconds

so 48 seconds

[sharp gale]

No i mean the boss died in 45 seconds

The combat lasted 45 seconds

[frank rock]

oh yea

[supple cave]

made the swap to immovable object + colossus and zekvir ?? was significantly easier. just dodge the mechanics until you have a safe window, and demolish obliterates the eggs. super fun fight, so fucking glad i'm done with it tho now

[oblique quarry]

thats a real ass vibe - switched to frost dk for the guilds raid and ended up tanking every single key without raid loot lol.

[chilly brook]

real man

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[shrewd plinth]

Someone’s gotta do it…

[solid sun]

It’s crazy you’re killing NW 3rd boss in 45 seconds

[chilly brook]

Probably because we pull like we're DPS players

[jagged pier]

when griff coming eu

[solid sun]

I go in there and for 45 seconds hooks don’t go out

[chilly brook]

I was in EU last month

[jagged pier]

boost my keys

fucking didnt imte a NW because the healer stood in land of dead on seocnd boss

and it caused a wipe

[heavy sparrow]

I just got this trinket but it's pretty meh

all other gear are not ugprades - this set of vault this week for me is a bad pull

[neon elk]

Its also HC track only , i would personaly opt for trinkets

Sockets***

[heavy sparrow]

I could probably replace it with this trinket

[chilly brook]

Y I K E S

That timer be really tight tbh

[jagged pier]

at least we finished for vault

[heavy sparrow]

should I get the socket or replace my current trinket?

ilvl is 616 right now

[strong forum]

hm

swarmgland is certainly more damage

[heavy sparrow]

I'd be able to upgrade it to 619

sitting on 43% haste right now

[molten gorge]

if you're gonna be getting myth track pieces, I'd say the socket has more value

personally

since later weeks, you won't want to take sockets when you have myth pieces to yoink

[jagged gust]

Sockets are worth like 4ish ilvls now?

[heavy sparrow]

are they?

dang since when gems were ilvls

guess ilvls really did replace gearscore huh

[jagged gust]

I may be phrasing that poorly

upgrading an individual item 4ilvls, not 4ilvls overall gearscore

[heavy sparrow]

this is what I got

[molten gorge]

I wouldn't put a socket on a non-myth track item if it was me

[jagged gust]

they used to be worth something like 8-10, so they're quite a bit worse in comparison to what they used to be

[molten gorge]

but idk what your overall goals are

[heavy sparrow]

I wannna get into 2 bosses of mythic raid

but Heroic raid is pretty farmable now

but I may start pushing mythics

since I left mythics+ behind to just progress through raiding(s)

[strong forum]

first 3 mythic are super farmable aswell

if the group is not entirely dented

[molten gorge]

I got called a snob for saying this the other day

but agree, first few are easy

[heavy sparrow]

I wanna hopefully land a drop for arakara trinket

[small bone]

Odd question. How do you know if you are better on one tank or another? Plate tanks vs leather tanks.

[edgy bone]

@shut summit How come you haven't streamed in 2 weeks

[jagged girder]

Anyone knows what's up with Arakara's Bloodstained Assistant's Extraction Strike? It's hitting so hard for a +11 :/

[quasi pivot]

How does Collosus feel in M+ compared to Thane. I can't see myself giving up the TC into avatar TB Revenge TB for snap threat and gathering spread out pulls.

[strong forum]

colossus is a nice change of pace

[jagged gust]

less IP, more pew pew

[strong forum]

does more dmg so its fun

[sharp gale]

i recommend trying colossus it's kinda fun

[jagged gust]

You actually look forward to pressing demolish

[strong forum]

big boomph

[edgy bone]

how many 12s have you timed

[strong forum]

do i look like im pushing keys when im still 14ilvl below max

miss me

[sharp gale]

as i do, i dont waste my time before my ilvl is for pushing keys

[strong forum]

d4 expansion releases next week

no time for keys

[molten gorge]

idk, I'd imagine it's kinda fun just to try

[strong forum]

nah keys bore the fuck out of me rn

[jagged gust]

same

[strong forum]

especially as tank

[molten gorge]

fair enough, you've been at it a lot longer

so not surprising

[strong forum]

too scripted

theres nothing to look forward to cuz every pull is the same

[molten gorge]

:lulw

[edgy bone]

What do you mean by that, you want explosive back?

[molten gorge]

I hate this discord

fucking no external emoji hell

[edgy bone]

This I"m not max iLvl shit sounds like hella copium box

[small bone]

They should return to the early days of tanking

[strong forum]

no i just want pwar to be more fun

you can believe what you want

but pushing keys rn is nothing but a waste of time except for "practice"

[round pendant]

Man the 3rd boss of dawnbreaker fucking hurts???

[edgy bone]

When has pushing keys EVER not been a waste of time?

[strong forum]

exactly

now you get it

[sharp gale]

have you tried a 12 ?

[molten gorge]

ilvl is a crutch, don't @ me

[edgy bone]

^

[edgy bone]

No I'm not max ilvl I dont even bother PSHAW

[jagged gust]

Nomer has a stronger mental than me, that's for sure

I'd be going off brother

[sharp gale]

i got got

[strong forum]

i dont have anything to prove

[jagged gust]

wtf is that pepe

[edgy bone]

Yeah huh you gotta prove your score is higher than everyone elses on these arbitrary worthless videogame+ modes

[sharp gale]

just wait slowly those 90 crest /week

[strong forum]

literally only raidlogging rn

[jagged gust]

It's like if this guy got reconstructive surgery

[strong forum]

cuz keys no fun

[small bone]

What would make keys more fun?

[sharp gale]

i recognize someone who hopes tol dagor is in next season

[strong forum]

getting back SL s3 pwar

[molten gorge]

the one thing I will say, about pushing after max ilvl is that a lot of people don't ever bother doing higher than a 10 cause it makes no difference to gear right

so when some of the nitroboosters in here

haven't cleared a 10 yet

it's very telling

[strong forum]

where the class wasnt just an autopilot you turned on

[round pendant]

someone tell me how to solve 3rd boss on dawnbreaker

or is it just "have a healer"

[molten gorge]

but I know they'll be typing about their 14s when they're at 639 avg

[strong forum]

whats there to solve?

that boss does 0 tank damage

literally

[round pendant]

?

I had shield wall up

[strong forum]

he melees every once in a decade

[round pendant]

and get hit for 6 million

with terrifying slam

[strong forum]

did you eat a frontal or smth?

[round pendant]

no

[strong forum]

thats 2nd boss

[round pendant]

oh yeah

[vale karma]

do you ever take the second charge of shield wall? in m+

[round pendant]

lmao yeah 2nd boss sorry

[sharp gale]

was the season with inteverne leggo ? i played war tank but don't remember much, didn't played a lot of SL post Nathria

[round pendant]

I for some reason always think there's a boss between boat chick and this one

[zealous goblet]

2nd boss isn't that big of a deal

[strong forum]

double SW is generally worse performance wise than imp wall

[edgy bone]

what was that leggo called lmao

REPRISALK

[strong forum]

reprisal

[round pendant]

I didn't die but I feel like taking so much damage puts a lot of stress on the healer

and other people were dropping

[strong forum]

nah you only take dmg from terrifying slam

[zealous goblet]

it's like his only source of damage every 30 seconds

[dark cosmos]

On dawn 3rd? What key level?

[zealous goblet]

rotate cds

[dark cosmos]

Oh 2nd sry

[strong forum]

so you rotate SW - Spellblock - spellblock - SW - LS - Spellblock

[sharp gale]

if you take the second charge you dont have shield wall every minute

[strong forum]

every 40 seconds*

[molten gorge]

solution: use a CD

🤷‍♂️

[dark cosmos]

I just alternate wall/spell block with reflect for every time

[zealous goblet]

guide says every 50 in best case scenario

another lie!

[strong forum]

[zealous goblet]

big nome trying to keep us from being nerfed

[molten gorge]

Nome just literally made the numbers up, he revealed it to me in secret

[zealous goblet]

shadow government lookin ass

[round pendant]

guess it's just a healer check for the group then

[sharp gale]

he keeps the secret for himself

[round pendant]

Man I hate this new affix

[vale karma]

thanks! what about boister talent? is it just an overkill?

[round pendant]

everyone died, add came up, couldn't finish the boss at 0.5%

then we wiped 3x

[sharp gale]

this and last week i don't like them

[zealous goblet]

wait are you guys aiming the orb away?

[round pendant]

ye

[molten gorge]

it's not even a healer check tho? you take a chunk of dam with a CD up, press impending victory

[jagged gust]

speaking of, do our raw sims include our embellish yet?

[round pendant]

Someone fucked it up, killed one dude, then bres'd him as the healer died

also another reason we bricked that key

[vale karma]

what key level is this?

[round pendant]

+9 lmao

[molten gorge]

ya idk

[zealous goblet]

idk i dont sim i just ask if someone else has yet

[molten gorge]

on an 11, it was fine

🤷‍♂️

[waxen frigate]

It’s fooking raw

[round pendant]

🤷‍♂️

[vale karma]

might be healer issue then

[molten gorge]

you have health pot, victory rush and last stand for instant heals

and outside of the slam you take basically zero dmg

so you can just heal through leech

[zealous goblet]

oh i also discovered new tech

[molten gorge]

and the other myriad of self healing things

[dark cosmos]

ya i get hit big by slam but it just doesnt matter, you dont take damage except for slam and pulse aoe

[zealous goblet]

did you know cavedweller's counts as a combat potion cd, not a healing pot cd?

not trolling

you can have a 2nd healing pot

[waxen frigate]

Yeah and have no combat pog

[zealous goblet]

i mean some people need the extra pick me up

[jagged gust]

some of us are trying to parse here

[zealous goblet]

tank's first job is to not die

[south kiln]

cave potion is actually doing more healing then heal pot if i remember correct

[dark cosmos]

tanks first job is to decline group applications*

[vale karma]

considering that tank death is a bricked key half the time on 10+, I would take that trade 😄

[round pendant]

I didn't die, just wondering if there's something I could do to make the healers life easier considering the damage felt giga rng

[molten gorge]

shout 1 heal, if you die, it's on them

[molten gorge]

any log for it?

could just be ignore pain missing f.e.

[dark cosmos]

if you have IP + wall/spellblock + reflect thats all you can do

or last stand if you really need it in some instance

[zealous goblet]

you can commanding shout once during the fight to try and help but that's about it

[round pendant]

I felt like I was missing some mechanic cause in two instances I had the exact same defensives up but took significantly different amounts of damage

[dark cosmos]

(+ demo but honestly i dont even need it for that so i just use on cd for dps)

[vale karma]

intervine as well!

[round pendant]

tho saying that maybe the healer external'd me

yeah no log

[sharp gale]

it's a healer thing when the boss pulse, you just need to eat the tank slam, i just hit shield wall and charge

[molten gorge]

could be IP?

[dark cosmos]

Probably ip

or ya, an external

[vale karma]

do you ever use demo for damage reduction? I just send it on CD unless pack is basically dead

[molten gorge]

sounds like you're doing it right tho, it just does hurt

[vale karma]

well, hold it for dr specifically

[dark cosmos]

Not yet in this season at least personally

[molten gorge]

this discord has the most beta male profanity filter

[dark cosmos]

like i keep saying i might reevaulate in 12s once im in the danger zone

[round pendant]

Isn't tyranical just +25% health btw?

[molten gorge]

wanted to say that using demo for dr sounds like c_ck shit

[round pendant]

why do the bosses take literally twice as long

[dark cosmos]

I jsut dont really die though even in 11s, I cant think of the last time I've not timed a key cause of a tank death

So demo shout -> pump

[sharp gale]

because it's not 25% added to the % of key lvl

[vale karma]

it's multiplicative on top of m+

bonus

[round pendant]

oh

[sharp gale]

yes it's multiplicative

[round pendant]

it's base * 1.25 * keylevel?

[dark cosmos]

yes

well not * keylevel but * the keylevel mod

[vale karma]

well not key level, 9th have 130% increased

[sharp gale]

just go see hp of bosses between 11 and 12

[vale karma]

I think

[round pendant]

ye that's what I'm referring to

[dark cosmos]

then yes thats it

and same for +12 affix

[sharp gale]

that's why 12 is a wall

[dark cosmos]

ya from 11 to 12 is literally like

1 extra m0 worth of shit LOL

[round pendant]

I despise tyrannical

[vale karma]

get used to it

[molten gorge]

scaling meant to get crazy after 12 this season from what I've heard

[vale karma]

it will be in your every single dungeon)) past 9

[dark cosmos]

if its fort and tyr is it really either guys?

[round pendant]

I'm aware

[sharp gale]

and you will have ANOTHER tyrannical in 12

[molten gorge]

based

there is no spoon

[hexed onyx]

How do we deal with grasping slash btw

[sharp gale]

what is grasping slash

[hexed onyx]

movement speed debuff in ara kara

[vale karma]

leap

[sharp gale]

the last pack ?

[hexed onyx]

got stunned by the web as had 90% movement

[hexed onyx]

yeah

[sharp gale]

leap

[vale karma]

it's the flying dudes before last boss