protection

[jagged pier]

Dont trust healers

[nocturne vine]

Maybe rashnan and ovinax

[nocturne vine]

Who does?

[sharp gale]

no murlok is for curiosity like they run BSV, that's not THE reason to run it

[graceful kite]

Whats the deal with colossus btw

[nocturne vine]

https://tenor.com/view/spittin-spitting-has-a-reason-gif-10938494213162386020

[jagged pier]

Ppl follow it blindly then say well we dont have as high io so we cant say anything

[graceful kite]

I tried it (on a dummy) and it doesnt feel much different from base pwar

[jagged pier]

What u mean whats the deal?

[graceful kite]

You just press 1 extra thing sometimes

[nocturne vine]

And way more revenge

[graceful kite]

I dunno people seem to really like it here

[jagged pier]

Nah it changes rotation a fair bit

U prio revenge but still have to tc and ss on cd etc etc

[sharp gale]

they don't have as high as io, but their keys feels like a top key in their point of view so i understand switching to BSV, but when it procc in lower key, should understad what happened wrong

[nocturne vine]

To sum up
Thane smoother in m+
Colossus viable in raid

If u trust your healers

And know the fight

[ornate thicket]

Thane hits my thor class fantasy so F collossus

[sharp gale]

for raid i dont know values of things, i only did hc and having colossus will not put a bigger pessure on healers at this point i don't even understand why it would

[wide charm]

@jagged pier Maybe I just need to level my brann and have a stronger dps brann? I was using healer brann, don't even think mine is 38 ---
That's all I can see that is different in your T2 Zekvir vid, the fact you are 85~ il lower than me and still killing the webs at about the same speed implies that has to be my issue

[jagged pier]

Colossus and thane viable in both play your favourite is to summarize

[jagged pier]

Why would u healer bran?

[wide charm]

I never do delves xD

[jagged pier]

Whhat a waste

[potent tree]

I also bet that half the people playing it don’t even realize when it procs

[graceful kite]

I have a bad feeling after dps nerfs that prot is gonna catch a stray

[jagged pier]

It wont

Probably

[sharp gale]

well you will never see them

[graceful kite]

With blizz saying they dont want same specs being great and will nerf them to shake up the meta

And weve been great since s1 df

[wide charm]

You have a debuff now, unlike in the past. Don't even need a WA to see BSV clearly.
IDK, I found it incredibly useful pushing 11s last week. Especially since I was pugging

[potent tree]

One can only hope

[sharp gale]

well i tank i will never see another tank in a key (yes i'll do some full tank keys)

[misty stratus]

Can anyone help me with the first pack of NW? What does hit so hard there? Is the big dude ramping up or something else? I feel so Squishy there.

[sharp gale]

if i'm fury it's bc i dont care about the key

[wide charm]

I assume DPS Brann is quite strong? Lots O deeps?
I heard it got nerfed a few weeks back, never cared to look into it cus I didn't really need delves after the first week but I mean, I kinda wanna do this thing.
That is the key right?

[potent tree]

Idk. I swear u don’t take dmg as prot war and when u take it it’s because u fucked up

[median hare]

Hey all I had a question, i crafted myself waist and wrists for my crafted items but I wanted to know is the shield and sword worth crafting as well?

[turbid shuttle]

big dude has ramping attack speed enrage. also does a tank buster. also the soldiers tend to leap behind you and back hit you.

[potent tree]

Well I have 2 alts that I play dps

[graceful kite]

Big boy has enrage

[jagged pier]

ive never had him healer so cant comment on how strong or weak his dps is ive never really noticed it

[graceful kite]

I tried brann healer on my alt shaman and his potions just didnt work in underwater delve

Fuck brann

[sharp gale]

do you have a 639 shield/sword ? do you think you will have one soon ? that helps you to know

[misty stratus]

Wait the soldiers jump behind even in close range?

[turbid shuttle]

pretty sure. could be wrong. they just leap around generally.

[graceful kite]

They 100% did before

[turbid shuttle]

the big thing is the big mob's enrage+tankbuster.

[wide charm]

Kinda, I mean it's also useful for dangerous big pulls in high keys and yeah, the tank can easily just die in 11+
I mean there are dozens of examples
take a pretty standard pull in NW, if you're pulling the courtyard before 2nd boss --- 1 marauder, 2 sorc, 2 bonecavers --- if you fail to straf as Shadow Well is being cast ESPECIALLY if both sorcs line up, you might suddenly take an instant 6-7m~ shadow dmg... With the Marauder cleaving and Bonecarvers reducing your HP
I mean it's easy to just flop because you were interrupting the fear while making sure the DPS aren't in the cleave and whoops you didn't see the Shadow Well cast prior to it finishing.

You'd rather just take ravager and brick that key because your attention moved for literally 0.5 seconds?

[graceful kite]

But i didnt notice them doing in in my runs in tww

[median hare]

sadly im just a heroic raider and pushing into higher keys, dont have access to mythic raiding. highest key ive done so far is an 8 trying to get further but pug grps are rubbish lol

[indigo scaffold]

@jagged pier u got a link for your ui?

[median hare]

I went for wrists and belt and they are both 619

[sharp gale]

okey, maybe think about it bc basically your sword/shield will be myth track (over 626) only when it drops from vault when you do 10s

[median hare]

ah okay, might be something to aim for once im doing 9+ and can get more crests then

[potent tree]

I mean u are pretending u are not losing anything by dropping ravager, so sure. I didn’t lose any +11 so far because I died early. But if it makes u feel more safe, sure. Keep doing whatever works for you

[main walrus]

Hello fellow prot wars, i see people running Battle scarred veteran talent ( cheat death) and that is not on guide, i have to admit i feel it's very good as i die to some packs especially on pugs with no cc/interrupt.
Do we just take out ravager for that talent point or anything else that goes with it ?

[wide charm]

I'm not pretending you aren't losing anything. You are losing some damage and that's about it. I'd say the trade off is well worth it because you are securing pug keys instead of worrying about parsing

[median hare]

im running a build with that, I saw dorki run it. Having a 2nd shield wall has really helped with pulling more and learning pulls as I try get higher keys

[sharp gale]

don't forget you have tank privilege so when you can be accepted in mists 9 maybe farm crest in mists 9

[potent tree]

That’s not it though. U lose a lot of rage gen by dropping ravager

[main walrus]

thank you for reminding, yeah the 2 charges on wall as well, can you share ?

[median hare]

yeah im working on it

[blissful hull]

picking between the best cheat death in the game or a button i hate pressing to begin with

[graceful kite]

Horrible build btw

[median hare]

it is? can you share a better one?

[wide charm]

Sure every 3rd pull, if you look at overall dmg taken VS healing done and take the difference at the end of dungeons I'm generally around 200k or less
I don't think the bit of extra rage from ravager is going to significantly impact that difference --- It would, no doubt, but not as significantly as the security that is provided from BSV

[graceful kite]

Wowhead build is better

Any wowhead build*

[sharp gale]

i don't know if it's horrible never tried it but 2 charge of shield wall is weird it has 1 min cd

[median hare]

I was looking at maxroll and running their build for a while.

[main walrus]

my shield wall is 3.5 Minute CD and only 1 charge

[graceful kite]

It doesnt have 1 min cd with double wall

And thats the problem

[main walrus]

i'm running wowhead build, damage is great sure, but i'm struggling at +8 +9 keys with random pugs

[blissful hull]

wowhead build and dorki build are for two different types of keys tbf

[sweet summit]

what's the dorki build

[main walrus]

i know i won't be needing a second charge on shield wall if it was a good comp rotating CCs and healer using buttons

[solar crown]

is colossus ahead in damage, and if so by how much?

[sharp gale]

wdym ? its build doesnt run anger management and Shield Slam 6 second SHield wall reduction ?

[potent tree]

Considering u can die when u proc it. Not sure I would consider it the best cheat death in the game, but sure

[main walrus]

and please don't mind "dorky build'' i don't know what that is, i'm just trying to figure out a build with that talent alone

[wide charm]

as a matter of fact, if you are getting BSV procs throughout the dungeon, even 1 or 2, it's likely that the damage the proc mitigated is more valuable that the IPs you'd get throughout from ravager

[graceful kite]

Shield wall reduction is the other choice in that node

[median hare]

how do i export my build from game?

[graceful kite]

You choose between wall cdr and double charge

[sweet summit]

click the share button and copy

[median hare]

This build has 2 shield wall charges and 2 charges

[blissful hull]

80% dr and 100% healing increase is pretty close to unkillable imo

[sharp gale]

thx forgot it was a choice node since i dont touch it, i just saw it on talent calculator

[potent tree]

True. Still not the best in the game though

[blissful hull]

perchance

mayhaps methinks

[graceful kite]

Dorki yoda dorki yoda dorki yoda dorki yoda

[wide charm]

It's definitely not the best cheat death in the game --- it's just different. I'm arguing it can certainly be useful.
If you walk into a pack without mitigation active BSV isn't going to save you.
If you are largely doing things correctly and take a big hit that you just didn't quite have shield wall up for --- those are the moments that BSV has high value.
Or say if you are overpulling or simply made a mistake pull to pull --- BSV provides amazing utility there
It's useless if you fundamentally don't know what you are doing

[sharp gale]

i never used BSV, if you get like 50% to 0% in 1 attack it procs or it doesnt ?

[turbid shuttle]

It's basically impossible to die while BSV is up. You'd need to take 220% of your HP in damage.

[wide charm]

Doesn't, you're dead

[wide charm]

What if you get a hit from 31% to 1%

then you need to take 5% of your hp to die

[blissful hull]

legendary healing pot

[potent tree]

Basically impossible still means possible. But I am aware that it’s extremely unlikely

[main walrus]

what food do we eat ?

[turbid shuttle]

It does. They mentioned this in the blue post. Maybe I'm misremembering? It applies the 80% to any damage past your 30% HP threshold.

[median hare]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVUQVFVgEVCaFBEBRNVVFEVBRFVZVQUCVAEFVVUCQQ - thats the build ive been running

[sweet summit]

feast>

[sharp gale]

i eat the crit-haste when there is no feast

[sweet summit]

why take BSV but also ITF

that makes 0 sense to me

do you want def or dam

[blissful hull]

haste = rage regen = def

[sharp gale]

they want to COPY what they top players do

[wide charm]

I doubt you have enough haste for ITF atm

[turbid shuttle]

So if you're at 50% and get hit for 60% of your HP, 20% is unmitigated and then the remaining 40% does only 8%, so you end at (in this example) 22% hp.

[main walrus]

i need a name i'm in front of AH and going to key xD

[blissful hull]

tbf you need to be at a good baseline for ITF but that’s the idea

[sweet summit]

ITF is picked for DAMAGE, you WILL have SB gaps with it

which in turn means more damage taken

[blissful hull]

not if you have enough haste and or have bolster

[sweet summit]

instead you could just have HR and BSV would not be needed

[median hare]

I have 27% unbuffed

[sweet summit]

you want like 15% more or something

before ITF

[blissful hull]

way more

[marble cipher]

I have 32% unbuffed, and I don't even like ITF yet (well, I like ITF, but HR is much easier for SB uptime)
ITF in combination with Bolster could work though, but then you're using Last Stand to fill the gaps here and there

[median hare]

I am no way an expert and going off what guides or plays like dorki/quazi say

[sharp gale]

i have 32% haste (from armory) on my character

17k value

[wide charm]

a lot of people likely carried over ITF from s4 DF, where you definitely could justify it

[median hare]

Any help would be appreciated

[robust surge]

i got ceaseless swarmgland or void pactstone what is better for m+?

[jagged pier]

Please just take the immortale wheelchair build from wowhead if u run bsv

Dont copy the filter down effect tree its worse

[sweet summit]

i recommend just using this https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVBRFUgUVCWFBUBRNVVFEVBRFVZVUQCUEEFVVUCQQ

what does that mean jakey

[jagged pier]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVRRFUgEVCWFBUBRNVVFEVBVFVZFUECUEEFVVUCQQ

Dis

Its in the dropown

Nome put it there

[sweet summit]

oh the turtle

[jagged pier]

If u running bsv its the only build u should play

[median hare]

No shield charge?

[molten gorge]

I can't decide what to do, do I upgrade my 619 craft to 636 or do I use the crests to upgrade regular myth track gear each week for now? 🤔 (craft is a ring, myth track rn that isn't max is a head)

penny for people's thoughts

[sweet summit]

better to drop that than ravager for what you want

[jagged pier]

Its bad without capstone

And u dont drop rav its more rage and more damage

So u have to drop the vapstone for SC which makes it useless

So u drop that too to take bolster

[wide charm]

Can also drop Piercing Challenge for another point in Endurance Training, better IP and IV 😛

[main walrus]

that build just saved us a lot of time on first pull

[marble cipher]

What about the build that Yoda runs (I know, "we're not yoda"'), it drops punish and the HP/Armor talent below that, and runs BSV and SC capstones

[main walrus]

just saying

fuck ravager

[karmic plinth]

i think you are insane to drop punish

[jagged pier]

Thats fucking dumb

Giga dumb

[median hare]

Is ravager really worth that much?

[marble cipher]

Well, I'm in big doubt too, which is why I asked 😉

[jagged pier]

Yes

[karmic plinth]

its 10 rage per tick

[sweet summit]

need a passive agressive pin to seal the deal with this demon builds

fr

[jagged pier]

We used to have one

[jagged pier]

Literally will do nothing for you that extra point but do what you want

[median hare]

So its worth losing shield charge in this guild?

[sweet summit]

for the purpose that build serves, yes

[wide charm]

I mean, I was joking a bit, but it does actually increase your IP/IV

[median hare]

sorry this might sound dumb but I have no clue what this build servers purpose for.

Im still new to protection warrior

[sweet summit]

super defensive

assuming wer'e talking about the build jakey linked earlier

[molten gorge]

what i always find kinda confusing is, if you're at the point of trying to push 13s etc (which is where these builds are used), wouldn't you just try without first and if it feels like you're dying because of the talents, you change for the next 13

[jagged pier]

Literally not dying ever

[median hare]

yes

feels weird not having shield charge, kinda use to it now lol

[wide charm]

I agree, that actually makes a lot of sense though. I think it's worth dropping SC for ravager and Bolster

[sweet summit]

for that specific purpose, yes
otherwise no

[sharp gale]

the build is to have the easiest time to have 100% shield block uptim (by not playing into the frey), you have the cheat death, and you can choose if you want shield charge or ravager just try both to see if you like tbh, but if you want shield charge you have to drop the talent bolster to have the capstone

[sweet summit]

that is by no means the "standard" build

[jagged pier]

Can we please stop calling bsv a cheat death its not a cheat death

It doesnt stop u from dying

It triggers when u go under 30% which isnt often really at all

[turbid shuttle]

If you do the math, ravager + bolster gives less rage, less shield block uptime, and less prior damage than shield charge with bulwark. Dropping SC to keep ravager is bad.

[jagged pier]

What math?

[sharp gale]

what math

we play

[jagged pier]

U wanna give your workings?

[turbid shuttle]

Dying necessary implies going under 30%. Every time you would have died (and BSV is off cool down) it will save you. It's a cheat death.

[molten gorge]

I'd feel gross playing without SC personally, so nice sometimes just to open SC

[wide charm]

I don't think that's accurate. Ravager will give a minimum of 90 rage

and it will definitely deal more dmg than SC

[sharp gale]

but it doesnt save you from a 32% to 0% 1 hit

[molten gorge]

think his point is, unlike Cheat Death, it won't proc when you would otherwise be oneshot and therefore heal

but it's obv still a strong defensive when it does proc

[turbid shuttle]

When I checked logs it gave 50. It ticked 5 times. Maybe I'm wrong. SC gives 40 per 45s. Which is more.

[marble cipher]

if you're at X% (where X > 30) and get hit for more than your total life, you dead!

[jagged pier]

Dropping under 30% doesnt mean you will die. I did most of sludge fist at 10%

[karmic plinth]

it gives 10 per tick

[marble cipher]

even with BSV

[turbid shuttle]

I could be wrong here, but my understanding is it does.

[molten gorge]

It could I guess, but then it'd have to be that you don't get hit for more than 0.2 * Total Dmg

being greater than your hp

so like it mitigates the hit portion below 30% of your hp

but I've not ran it to try yet

[waxen frigate]

I did most of Erga’s mom at 10%

[turbid shuttle]

you would have to get hit for 220% of your hp (70% to go to 30%, then 30%/0.2 to get through 80% DR on the remainder)

[molten gorge]

if it does work like that, then it's stronger than I thought, planning to try it later this week possibly just for some fun

but like 11s rn I don't feel like I need it remotely

will see how 12s go

[median hare]

I feel like ive started something

[turbid shuttle]

here is a random example of 1 cast of ravager from a log in aoe. it procs 5 times.

[waxen frigate]

AFAIK that is not at all how it works

[turbid shuttle]

I've also seen it proc 6 times, I believe because it's hasted and I probably had lust

it does not appear to scale with target count

so it's effectively 50 rage per cast (60 in lust). again, happy to be corrected

[sweet summit]

you lost 1 tick to travel time

xd

epic spell

xd

xd

[sharp gale]

no it doesnt get hasted and ravager has 2 sec icd (i dont know what to call it)

[waxen frigate]

Travel time

[turbid shuttle]

50 rage per 1.5 minutes vs 40 rage per 45s is in favor of the latter

[jagged pier]

Vrah not oytting rav on enemies

And complaining it doesnt work correctly

[tribal wharf]

well haste is +30% right,

[jagged pier]

[tribal wharf]

so whats the break number to make it tick once more

[waxen frigate]

Vrah not oytting

[tribal wharf]

and then, if possible reach that

[sweet summit]

so true jakey

[molten gorge]

[molten gorge]

Ya no clue, would need to try it out

just thinking aloud

[jagged pier]

Boost please

[waxen frigate]

What

[jagged pier]

U heard

[waxen frigate]

I don’t know what you even mean

[blissful hull]

my question is if ravager is so good why don’t any of the top key warriors use it?

[turbid shuttle]

Protection
Battle-Scarred Veteran has been updated. Now, when a damage event reduces your health below 30%, the portion of that damage event that would apply to the last 30% of your health is also reduced by 80%.
Developers’ notes: For example, if you are at 50% health and receive damage for 40% of your health, your damage taken will be 20% + 20% * (1-0.8), or 24%, and you will have 26% health remaining when Battle-Scarred Veteran activates.

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/24066687-hotfixes-july-22-2024/

[jagged pier]

Because someone dropped it to take bsv we have no clue why. And every copied

[waxen frigate]

Oh that’s new, interesting

[molten gorge]

[jagged pier]

Its the filter down effect

[molten gorge]

it can still be good for the typical build of clearing a weekly 10

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/republican-gif-24490147

[molten gorge]

whilst not being good for doing a +13/14 in current ilvl

[blissful hull]

yea for sure

[molten gorge]

so there's your answer

🤷‍♂️

[sharp gale]

bc people think ravager gives more rage than shield charge thinking it tick every second of 12 s

[turbid shuttle]

it is a legitimate cheat death. every occurrance that would have killed you will instead not kill you. also, since it procs at 30%, sometimes it will go off when you wouldn't have died anyways. but the cooldown is also only 3 minutes so...

[molten gorge]

horses for courses 🤝

[median hare]

Its a build dorki was running and I tried it and found I was surviving way more and can do better pulls

[inland raft]

this conversation still happening? isnt it just as simple as "its a good defensive talent, its suboptimal to run, but if want to go ahead"

[blissful hull]

first thing i said when this topic came up was BSV builds and ravager builds were from two different key types

[turbid shuttle]

I hope I've convinced you that SC gives more rage than ravager.

[median hare]

I still feel weird taken ravager over shield charge

[sharp gale]

it does

[molten gorge]

for sure, the people who spam in here all the time get their jimmies rustled cause they're only doing 8s tho

so it triggers them

[median hare]

So dont take ravager for m+?

[turbid shuttle]

I get flamed from all directions from some people in this discord for pointing that out

very frustrating

[waxen frigate]

I just say funny things

[jagged pier]

Liteeally what i said at the start. Didnt even say it was suboptimal said run it if u want

[jagged pier]

No u take rav

[sharp gale]

you take ravager to have 4% more dps, you will not rage starve (cry bc avatar cd is so long) bc you dont have ravager

[turbid shuttle]

next is shield block uptime. SC gives 8s per 45s. bolster gives 15s per 2 minutes. SC gives more.

[blissful hull]

i just feel like if ravager was truly that necessary for rage gen and survival we would see it in the highest keys

[wide charm]

BSV does proc off fatal damage and the mitigation affect is applied to damage past the 30% mark of your HP.
So if you have exactly 10m hp, you are at 50% and you get hit for 5m --> you'll take 2m and then 600k instead of taking 5m
That's ignoring all other forms of mitigation

[blissful hull]

ravager is more just for the dmg in lower keys and pugs imo

[molten gorge]

then it's kinda yuge

[turbid shuttle]

SC also gives more prio damage (i.e. ST), but worse aoe.

[median hare]

the dmg in pugs for me isnt the issue, surviving and people doing mechanics are lol

[blissful hull]

lobotomy talent for that

[waxen frigate]

No talent will solve that problem ultimately

[wide charm]

I think Jakey's build link earlier is great. Dropping at least Champion's Bulwark for Ravager is definitely worth it and I'm going to do that going forward.
I hit 2700 last week

[molten gorge]

don't let the Nitroboosters see this, they'll find you

[median hare]

i know that, im just looking for a decent build to push from 8 to 10 keys, i dont wanna be the best just try get better this season.

[molten gorge]

🕵️

[turbid shuttle]

this is why I've argued SC+Bulwark > Ravager + Bolster, if you're going to take BSV. More rage, more shield block, more prio damage.

[blissful hull]

for sure i don’t think in any way any of these builds are bad

[turbid shuttle]

you cannot do this without dropping SB uptime with current haste levels.

[blissful hull]

i’m more just not convinced ravager is nearly that mandatory

[waxen frigate]

From 8 to 10 keys this talent choice will not be impactful

Just work on fundamentals

[median hare]

I also know i need to get better, like pulls etc

[plush tendon]

the builds streamers are using are suited better for the 12+ key range

[turbid shuttle]

ravager is not at all mandatory. it's like 5% rage and 5% damage. it's nice, it's a good talent, but it's weaker than SC so it's the point to drop if you're going to.

[wide charm]

If I feel that effect, I'll drop SC for Bolster

[plush tendon]

for 8-11s, just use the normal build

BSV is overkill

[waxen frigate]

I’d recommend not watching streamers doing high keys for routes

[turbid shuttle]

see here. that trade is strictly worse. #protection message

[plush tendon]

100%

[wide charm]

hard disagree, you should be taking BSV in pugs if you are pushing past 10s

[waxen frigate]

Those routes are optimized for a type of content you aren’t doing and usually require great group coordination

[median hare]

Ive been using some of dorkis routes and they work, just adapting the pulls for what im doing

[main walrus]

for 7-11 it's overkill ? do i just suck or are you all gods, i'm struggling sooooo much in 8s and 9s

[plush tendon]

10s and 11s are easy

the jump doesnt happen till 12

[wide charm]

No, they are not.

[blissful hull]

agree unless you’re q’d with healer

[wide charm]

People fail them constantly

lmao

[waxen frigate]

I’d recommend just doing raiderio weekly routes or holding W

[main walrus]

WHAT

[waxen frigate]

Everything is relative

[jagged pier]

Your probably doing domething wrong on your end but need logs to findout for sure

[strong forum]

11s are easy as hell if you dont play with random/whos

[inland raft]

they are easy though, if fail its usually to dps not using defensives or not doing damage doesnt make them hard

[tribal wharf]

this dood dunno about pugs LMAO

[wide charm]

Sure but the vast majority do, nearly everyone

[molten gorge]

even with pugging 11s I've not had problems dying without BSV

[plush tendon]

and, to be frank, in a 10 or 11 the tank is still pretty much in charge of their own survival

[median hare]

ill have a look cheers, alot of it is down to me and learning, this is what this season is for and next season im gonna try push higher

[plush tendon]

battle scarred veteran isnt gonna save you

[fervent dune]

i just timed a City of Thread +9 with 595ilvl. you must be doing something wrong XD

[sharp gale]

"1/2% top keys are easy", you need to learn to talk to other people it will help you in real life

[molten gorge]

it's more likely that your group dies in an 11 than you die

[main walrus]

not only me, please note a lot of players only play with pugs, sometimes if the pack does not get cced or interrupted, i can't do much more !

[waxen frigate]

Gl man. My recommendation when you’re learning is just to focus on yourself

[potent anvil]

I'm pumping right now as colossus prot

[jagged pier]

I only play with pugs

[inland raft]

ive failed a ton of 10s and never thought they were hard, sometimes timing or not isnt about it being hard just the pugs not doing damage

still easy

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[fervent dune]

just invite multiple dps dks!! they cannot die

[median hare]

I dont know about the rest of you but I find it stressful as a tank in pugs, people dont listen etc or worse leave. Grim batol at the moment is horrible to pug esp last boss.

[tribal wharf]

i mean shit, i bet keys are easy if you have a full team of 634 ilvl ppl with ksm/ksh every season all portal, 3.5 k io each season

[blissful hull]

but some don’t have kick bound!

[graceful pilot]

How do we feel about going from 14k to 13k haste to drop the swarmlord trinket for something like larynx

[tribal wharf]

voice chat

routes

addons

like

[main walrus]

i must really suck then

[fervent dune]

u prolly have sub 50% shield block uptime or sth

i legit took 0 damage with 595ilvl in a +9

[median hare]

Ill give this wheelchair build a try

[wide charm]

I mean it's wild people are claiming 11 keys are easy in this discord
Getting all timed 11s last week put me up to us 30th briefly.

[inner wren]

how do we feel about dropping shield charge and ravager to put two points into bsv

[wide charm]

Saying they are easy is wild

[blissful hull]

i think saying “i took 0 dmg in key therefore is easy” is probably the most stupid thing i’ve ever heard

[median hare]

I mean if 11 are easy I must be rubbish, Im struggling to time 8s atm

[blissful hull]

like your survival is the bare minimum to the key not the sufficient and necessary to time

[graceful kite]

Easy to survive as tank

[tribal wharf]

i mean, lets not forget that there are TONS of kids that got a hard game like contra, and never knew about the code until many years later

[main walrus]

thank you

[molten gorge]

all relative ig, it's my first season ever tanking on any class and I haven't played since SL and I'm currently past 2.6k 🤷‍♂️

[tribal wharf]

so those kids are playing with only 3 lives

[waxen frigate]

Timing keys isn’t necessary correlated to individual skill

[fervent dune]

the most stupid thing ive heard is you putting c u m on your head to help with your balding

[tribal wharf]

and the only way they will ever beat the game is to git gud

[inner wren]

this is why colossus angle gonna be the future

[graceful kite]

Yor healers and dps surviving is whole other topic

[molten gorge]

so it's more a case of, if I'm FRESH to it and I'm not struggling, how fkn hard can it be?

[tribal wharf]

this isnt a bad thing btw

[blissful hull]

colossus believers 🔛🔝

[waxen frigate]

If you are falling over individually without your group dying first in keys that does tend to be indicative that you might be “rubbish” though yes

[fervent dune]

as a tank you have the most agency out of all roles

[strong forum]

if your own survival is a trivial matter, but the capabiltiy of your group is what fails the key, in what world is the dungeon then hard

[plush tendon]

[tribal wharf]

u cant spell colossus without SUS and +5% size OMEGALUL

i mean

[median hare]

oh i know and some stuff was bad rng, like a grim batol last boss really did us dirty but still trying to get better.

[strong forum]

if its not due to your own failings

[tribal wharf]

the jokes write them self

[sharp gale]

and multiple solo deplete responsabilities

[wide charm]

BSV resolves the issues of pugs not doing their job.
IDC how good you think you are at prot warrior --- Nothing is going to save you if people remove the interrupt button from their interface in a 11 SV during the last 3 packs.

BSV is literally a tool for pugs not doing their jobs, it's a safety measure and it does its job amazingly well

[graceful kite]

People not doing their jobs will kill them first

[inland raft]

this i failed like 5 sieges in a row then +2d one with no changes to my personal gameplay, simply had dps who pressed interrupts and defensives. personal skill doesnt time keys so it can be easy and still fail

[molten gorge]

can definitely agree on this

[main walrus]

no ?

[fervent dune]

you think naowh would die? do you genuinely thing that?

skill issue

[wide charm]

yes

[graceful kite]

Bolts kill your group not you

[fervent dune]

ahahahaha

[strong forum]

lol

[fervent dune]

delusional

[molten gorge]

not if the cast is targetted at you

[strong forum]

just line of sight

[molten gorge]

[plush tendon]

I miss when we didnt have FoTM rerollers in here

[wide charm]

Sure, run around LOSing bro, so a totem can drop behind the door and wipe the group
SMART.

[strong forum]

if you know nobody is going to kick, you can still CC out of your mind and LoS if needed to survive

[waxen frigate]

Welcome to s1 of an xpac

[median hare]

One thing I really need to work on and any tips would be appreciated is learning pulls, I feel im really slow at pulling. Pulling the packs isnt the issue its just knowing when to pull next.

I presumed this is just practise tho

[plush tendon]

the brain rot is real

[fervent dune]

i love how every game has it.

ITS NOT MY FAULT I WOULD BE R1 IO IF I DIDNT HAVE BAD TEAMMATES

[strong forum]

^

[inner wren]

do you think naowh would die in an 11 sv with a group of rice grain brains? 3 shadow priests and a resto druid?? no naowh will solo the dungeon himself

[molten gorge]

💪

[potent anvil]

[wide charm]

I don't spend enough time in this discord to tell if you guys are just memeing or what lmao

[dusky canopy]

There’s always room for improvement from everyone

Except maybe sense

[graceful kite]

I think in situation ure describing you will be better picking disrupting shout over bsv

[waxen frigate]

Gonna be honest, what Ive always done is the following: pull. Keep pulling. Pull about 3-5 packs together. Did you/your group die? No? Keep going, add another pack next time if something feels safe. Yes? Look at what caused the wipe, determine how to address it (whether that means something like more kicks, better prio dmg, LOSing, etc)

[fervent dune]

this guy is 200iq

[tribal wharf]

i swear BSV exists for this copium world i created,
you take endurance training x 2 in warrior and u take also steadfast, and then also enduring tenacity in prot with bolster

[wide charm]

You can use the doorway in SV to LOS the casts over and over of course you can.
However, all it takes then is the DPS to be running after you back and forth and fuck up not swapping to a totem for 2-3 seconds and
you literally wipe

[inner wren]

this is why i take dragons roar over champion spear

[tribal wharf]

and then you use it like maybe also with second wind

[graceful kite]

Ita not dragons anymore

Rip

[strong forum]

okay and how does that make the dungeon harder or easier by playing a 3min CD

[tribal wharf]

cuz you are at like 5 m when second winding instead of like 3m

[strong forum]

you only get to proc BSV once there

[inner wren]

ok its joever

[strong forum]

10seconds later youre dead again

[fervent dune]

^^^^^^^^

[strong forum]

if your group is absolutely incapable of doing anything

like

[tribal wharf]

thats how i view BSV

[strong forum]

whats your angle

[wide charm]

Because you don't have to put the group at risk that 1 time.
People that are 2600+ generally don't fuck up many times in a row.

[tribal wharf]

how i said it

[median hare]

Yeah this is what ive been doing, using ara kara as an example, I know i can comfortable pull up to first mini boss roughly now and know how to handle it. I guess like I said its just practise.

[dusky canopy]

Bsv meh

Not worth

[fervent dune]

lmao

[strong forum]

okay so they will kick and kill totems?

[dusky canopy]

Play better

[graceful kite]

And how would bsv help you there

[strong forum]

or will they not kick and kill totems

[waxen frigate]

Yep. And just figure out what works.

[strong forum]

make up your mind in your hypothetical scenario

[wide charm]

You can literally tank 4 uninterrupted volleys of double bolts.

[waxen frigate]

Optimizing routes isn’t needed until above title range

[wide charm]

You're trying really hard to not engage honestly but ok

[inner wren]

in my pubs i proc bsv three times on the first boss of stonevault, that's high value

[strong forum]

nah fam

its you whos making up shit

[graceful kite]

Your group will die by that time and destroy your timer already

[strong forum]

trying to prove your point

[tribal wharf]

if u mean killing SV totems that shit is basically nessecary anyways

if u dont kill them, they kill u

[molten gorge]

I think, we need a spreadsheet, and anyone who has ever spoken about anything in here (that wasn't a question) needs to post their thoughts on BSV and whichever group ends up being wrong at the end of s1 has to apologise to the other

🤝

[wide charm]

I mean real examples I've actually experienced. The 11 SV I timed last week would have been bricked without BSV in that last hallway

Sure, could have moved on and maybe the next pug woulda been fine -- but I didn't have to.

[tribal wharf]

we had whole team maxx range it and it STILL DID 50% team dmg to entire team hp

[strong forum]

okay, and i +2d 10 SV 2 weeks ago without breaking a single sweat

[tribal wharf]

like not on on purpose but it spawned away from us

[strong forum]

literally world first pwar doing a +10 SV

so what does that prove

[wide charm]

You have a group right?

[strong forum]

my guildies

[blissful hull]

i don’t think it’s a controversial take so say 12+ take BSV and lower it’s optional

[wide charm]

I started this conversation saying this was for pugging

having people in voice is kind of a massive advantage --- pugs don't generally coordinate

[strong forum]

the higher you go

[wide charm]

And overlap a lot due to that lack of communication

[strong forum]

the more they do

[molten gorge]

I hate the idea that I might be on this guy's side

(if there was a side)

[tribal wharf]

pug + voice chat = bad racist words and very angry men yelling at eachother

[sharp gale]

i'm in the bsv side but i don't even play the talent at all

[inner wren]

that's true

[graceful kite]

Best time ever

[inner wren]

i can't side with a furry avatar

[molten gorge]

also have not tried it, but I haven't gone past an 11 yet so not had cause to

[dusky canopy]

Pugged 19 AA last season no voice coms everyone just did the things and we won

[tribal wharf]

call of duty mw3 lobbies

[strong forum]

im against crippling your survivability to gain a pseudo cheat death which will be most likely on CD for when you actually need it

but thats jsut my 2 cents

[wide charm]

lmao, you guys can't content so you attack my profile image -- that's next level pathetic XD

[tribal wharf]

and boom anyone who played those games sees the screen and hears the music and the ppl

talkin shit

[sweet summit]

nah but how childish is this

[blissful hull]

i think saying “crippling” is over the top

[molten gorge]

I attacked it, nobody else did

and I agree with you

[strong forum]

it is over the top

[waxen frigate]

Even more childish than me talking about banging ur mom

[dusky canopy]

THEY MADE A BEAR VERSION

[graceful kite]

Yogi people are still talking like that

[dusky canopy]

I neeeed it

[inner wren]

yea i can't side with anime girl avatars either

[tribal wharf]

i pugged 20 wcm

[wide charm]

I don't even think you are wrong, I'm only arguing that BSV is amazing for PUG PUSHING

[graceful kite]

Youre just not talking in unmoderated chats

[plush tendon]

its crazy only Nom can use bearmotes here

[wide charm]

that's the ONLY situation

[tribal wharf]

only 20 i ever do

[plush tendon]

[sweet summit]

just proves my point even further??

[waxen frigate]

I’m a depressed penguin

[dusky canopy]

Real!

[tribal wharf]

unless 20s return

[waxen frigate]

Literally 1984

[dusky canopy]

Smh

[sharp gale]

ofc i had some pulls i got os of back hit or necrotic bolts hell when i thought about it maybe i'll try couples keys with it

[strong forum]

can y'all stop attacking anyone or anything

tryna have a civil discussion

[molten gorge]

ya it's a crutch in the lower keys for sure

[inner wren]

i only side with varian the one true warrior

[jagged pier]

[molten gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[dusky canopy]

Another one!

[strong forum]

nah but i aint having it when people try to get personal

when we're just discussing things

[plush tendon]

[molten gorge]

who's gotten personal?

[strong forum]

the pfp cringe

[waxen frigate]

Literally you man

[jagged pier]

U

[molten gorge]

ya that's not personal

rofl

[sharp gale]

i'm in +11 area

[molten gorge]

it's an avatar lil bros, relax

[blissful hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032433753294909552/1289810805683916871/twittervid.com_ChiefofIsaac_b7b618-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[molten gorge]

ya, plan was to try 12s this week, might give BSV a whirl but Nome convinced me to try without first

[inner wren]

sorry it was a joke but i will refrain from pfp jokes, instead i will flame the quality of the post instead

[graceful kite]

Bsv bad

Boo

[wide charm]

So I'll summarize my thoughts since this was scattered a bit
BSV is not an optimal pick. It is VERY good in pug pushing, especially the early weeks when people are undergeared and people don't have mastery of every pull in every dungeon.
BSV is a cheat death. If you take fatal damage from 50% it will mitigate the damage that would have gone past 30%.

[blissful hull]

it’s okay i’m just saying any non BSV’ers will be turned into a nutritional paste in my man size blender

[sweet summit]

yeah that's kinda how these discussions should work??

[sharp gale]

i'll try a 12 too this week but might before see what it looks in 10-11 not playing ravager

[sinful light]

Hey guys, so i read I should stay in battle stance and only use defensive stance as a CD but when ever in in battle stance im getting trucked. I'm keeping ignore pain and shield block up. What am I doing wrong ? In running +9 keys

[waxen frigate]

Bro thinks he’s blendtec

You’re not that guy pal

[dusky canopy]

Imagine not liking anime girls am I right

[plush tendon]

facts

[main walrus]

i was in a key, i was watching discord on second screen, yeah but genuinely, i am having a hard time in keys, and when i tried to watch a streamer to better learn pulls ( dafran ) i saw that he used this talent and now it is helping me a lot ! maybe because i suck or whatever, but please guys, don't go around saying +8 +9 ez you can't do it you shit

no that ain't good

[dusky canopy]

Guys literally hanging out in a video game space where anime is popular and then try’s to bash it

LUL

[karmic plinth]

its not a cheat death in the same way purg / last resort are actual cheat deaths that will save you from going 1 to 0 hp

[strong forum]

nowadays you its fine to sit in d-stance

[blissful hull]

ninja blenders bis

[molten gorge]

new pasta just dropped

[austere junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HglWoU4hfrQ

[plush tendon]

best thing to do is to log your runs; theres bound to be places where you can improve beyond just picking up a placebo talent

[austere junco]

i made a video plz enjoy

[dusky canopy]

I never thought I’d read this under orange name

[plush tendon]

can post the logs here or in the log channel and someone will most likely review it

[dusky canopy]

What is this world coming too

[plush tendon]

and give suggestions on how to play better

[dusky canopy]

It joever

[wide charm]

Cheat death on rogues use to only stop 1 instance of fatal damage from effecting you.
I mean, if I am at 4.8m/10m HP and I get hit for 5m, I will only take ~2.5m and now have the BSV buff
that sounds exactly like a cheat death

[waxen frigate]

just to be absolutely 100% clear (since more than one person seems to think it was more than a meme) I have not actually purchased any boosts for any keys. I've been playing this game for close to 20 years -- I have friends outside of Skyhold who can run 20++ keys and trust me to play with them, and sure I'm 7 ilevels behind and probably wouldn't get in that key in a raw pug, but I'm there to time the key. It's not a dead key, not a charity key. They do not take me with as a 'hard carry,' but as someone who will play well enough to time the keys. You've never taken a trusted player to a key higher than they could pug themselves?

[dusky canopy]

[main walrus]

i'll check how to do that, because i picked up tanking again i din't tank in ages, and i want to do it good

[graceful kite]

Stance homogenization?

[fluid widget]

Do I save demo shout as a defensive in raid?

[strong forum]

no

[graceful kite]

No

[dusky canopy]

No send for damage

[sharp gale]

DAMAGE

[fluid widget]

Great I’ve been using it on cd

[sharp gale]

BRRRRRRR

[fluid widget]

Icyveins said to do so and I didn’t like that

[molten gorge]

howling

[median hare]

would anyone be able to recommend a place to look at macros by the way? Ive made a few myself but looking at others cant hurt to see if they help 😄

[molten gorge]

the fact I can't react in this discord is insane btw, actual hellscape this place

well my day just got even more ruined

[dusky canopy]

Reacts with the TMY emote

Smh

[sharp gale]

i have a macro for cursor ravager/bastion (and a ping shortcut) that's it

[karmic plinth]

fundementally bsv doesnt save you from fatal damage which is the difference - it probably can help you cheat death in the same way will of the necropolis or gift of the golden valkyr will but they don't stop death and just slow it down enough that you can react to it

[wide charm]

Yes it does!

[waxen frigate]

There’s only one prot-specific macro that’s widely recommended and I believe it is in the pins here

[strong forum]

theres a few on wowhead

[graceful kite]

I use mouseover taunt its nice

[turbid shuttle]

It does though. If you get hit for more HP than you have, you do not die.

[strong forum]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1269009097525694616

[wide charm]

Reread my previous example -- BSV absolutely will proc and save you from fatal damage at 50% for example

[strong forum]

also this

[sharp gale]

closed channel

[molten gorge]

I hate to say but, if it's an 80% reduction below 30% (which is maybe around 3mil hp) something would have to hit you for what 15mil? to actually kill you from exactly 30%

[strong forum]

wha

[waxen frigate]

Works for me

[median hare]

oh thats great cheers, ill have a look

[sharp gale]

yes sry it bugged out for me

[molten gorge]

it might not "fundamentally" be a cheat death, but functionally, it sort of is

[sharp gale]

i relaunched discord page

[molten gorge]

nothing is blamming you for 15mil

[waxen frigate]

Think it’s a discord bug where it’s a thread you haven’t seen before

[karmic plinth]

no im fully aware it will reduce damage the same way wotn will but that doesnt make it a true cheat

[molten gorge]

that isn't you just completely bricking your shit

[waxen frigate]

So it freaks out the first time you try to load it

[blissful hull]

taking the skibidi talent

[wide charm]

can you explain what you mean by cheat death then? I'm lost

[blissful hull]

offers too much imo

[molten gorge]

he's just being pedantic

[turbid shuttle]

It is 100% a cheat death. In any circumstance where you would otherwise die, you will instead not die.

[karmic plinth]

a cheat death will save you from going from 1 hp to 0

[molten gorge]

if you got hit for 1billion damage

you'd die

[strong forum]

issue with BSV is, it would often proc on smth that wouldnt have actually killed you

[blissful hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032433753294909552/1289810805683916871/twittervid.com_ChiefofIsaac_b7b618-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[tulip remnant]

So many players here haven’t had a VDH during peak fel hammer days call them slurs for missing a kick.

[sharp gale]

like do i care about macro and weakauras ?

[karmic plinth]

bsv does not proc on fatal damage it procs on going sub 30%

[wide charm]

This, this is the fatal flaw that makes it not a core talent and, imo, only truly useful early in the season when pushing hard because people don't have mastery of each pull in each dungeon

[strong forum]

real cheat deaths exclusively only proc when you would have ACTUALLY died

^

and for pwar the danger is often over after you dropped already low

not the hit itself that put you low

[fluid widget]

I didn’t realize bsv was so controversial

[strong forum]

luckily it was bugged all of DF

[blissful hull]

whoever started this

fuck you

[strong forum]

so these discussions didnt need to be had

[tulip remnant]

Can’t do BDK purgatory pulls or stuff like that

[smoky anvil]

Every 12 hours feels like we come back to it

[strong forum]

but nowadays people are frothing over it cuz pwar is popular again cuz block go brr

[sharp gale]

it is bc some think having the pseudo cheat death = bad player

[turbid shuttle]

It doesn't stop you going 1 to 0, but it stops you going from any value to 0, which prevents you from getting to 1 in the first place.

[blissful hull]

the pendulum of BSV

[strong forum]

so you its now a "need to pick" talent for keys for some reason

[plush tendon]

dont worry, paladin .5 rework will see them on top again

[karmic bramble]

hey guys what is our crafting prio?

[plush tendon]

its gonna be DF all over again

[fluid widget]

What about the decision between 10% revenge damage vs 6% magic dr?

[blissful hull]

i think it’s picked in the highest keys for the sole fact tanks are being white hit to death

[turbid shuttle]

Which means any circumstance where you would have died absent BSV, you will instead not die. For all practical purposes it is a cheat death.

[wide charm]

Prot wars are genuinely super fun to play, I'm happy they are good atm popularity or not

[molten gorge]

it is undeniably strong after the fix given the functionality as Lei described, like that isn't a cheat death, but functionally it is as good as

[strong forum]

pwar will get a cosmetic nerf, people will be bricking keys again by groups not surviving so they will pivot away again from pwar to bear 🙂

[blissful hull]

rather than exploded instantly making BSV really nice

[strong forum]

and the cycle will repeat

[molten gorge]

whether it's necessary is another matter

[fluid widget]

Pretty sure it’s bracer belt

[strong forum]

pwar will plummet in popularity for high keys again once people are geared to the teeth and realise that yet again tank survivability doesnt matter

[plush tendon]

blizz does seem to enjoy nerfing warriors

[strong forum]

and that group survivability is all that matters

like

every

season

gotta keep in mind LITERALLY THE ENTIRE GAME

is ~13-16ilvl below max

that does include tanks

nothing is remotely set in stone

[molten gorge]

hopefully the warrior damage stays strong

[inner wren]

maybe colossus will be goated enough at cap and give us the damages to win

[strong forum]

which ones

[plush tendon]

Warrior will always be solid

[strong forum]

cuz our dmg is very average

[smoky anvil]

Deeps war has been having its wings clipped every week

[strong forum]

DPS warri always gets shafted at start of expansions

[sharp gale]

When I compare my pp with a Druid tank 😦

[strong forum]

okay well prot pally

is special in itself

[plush tendon]

Warrior has been a solid tank all the way through BFA->SL (minus S1, but everyone was struggling in S1)->Df->Now

[strong forum]

they got completely fucked

[plush tendon]

only thing thats changed is popularity

[fluid widget]

How do people decide between duskthread and dawnthread

[urban lotus]

Prot pally getting giga buffed in 10.0.5 no?

[strong forum]

sims

[plush tendon]

not giga buffed

[urban lotus]

Lay on hands armor buff n whatnot

[tulip remnant]

Not to what they were

[plush tendon]

but its getting changes

[inner wren]

no

tiny baby changes right now

[molten gorge]

nah I mean as prot

[plush tendon]

they didnt make BDK op with their mini rework

so maybe they learned their lesson from DF?

but I digress

[potent anvil]

595 in a mists+6.

[strong forum]

why so low ilvl

[potent anvil]

[tulip remnant]

San Layn is functional
Now tho

[inner wren]

it's his fifth warrior alt

[strong forum]

record to beat is 1.2mil at 611 ilvl

[potent anvil]

I'm a shaman main, so warr is alt

[strong forum]

hurry up champ

[plush tendon]

dont get me started on San Layn.... couldve been so cool

[potent anvil]

Also colossus owns

[plush tendon]

Swarming Mists and Wings; give that

or just give me Rider of the Apoc so I can horsey as blood

[strong forum]

colossus is good fun in keys with mostly melee dmg intake

[tulip remnant]

They are making it DRW not VB. It’s still not great. But it isn’t a complete meme now.

[inner wren]

Also colossus owns

[strong forum]

like mists and ara kara

[jagged pier]

So's nome

[strong forum]

nah

[plush tendon]

its a meme compared to Deathbringer though

[strong forum]

my shaman is 3rd char

[plush tendon]

it just cant compete

[strong forum]

im slowly getting somewhere

[karmic plinth]

colossus in mists brings back memories of playing bsc seismic in 9.0

[tulip remnant]

People will at least mess around with it now

[strong forum]

sanlayn is still 200-300k DPS in ST behind deathbringer

[plush tendon]

maybe; I still dont like Vampiric Strike; didnt like it in beta when it was busted

[jagged pier]

I was trying to not give des an out and make him compete

[strong forum]

its nowhere near as competetive as colossus vs thane is

[plush tendon]

Deathbringer has always felt cleaner to me

[tulip remnant]

Its enough you could see it in low keys lmao

Which is scary

[strong forum]

well you can see anything in low keys

lotta people who just play whatever

[plush tendon]

Mandle already knows.... but this image lives rent free in my head

I think about it maybe twice a week on what San Layn couldve been

[strong forum]

majority of wow players isnt actually active in any kind of communities beyond guilds or w/e

[tulip remnant]

True

[strong forum]

so i just smile and let live

whenever you see the true casual gamer

[tulip remnant]

I’m actively not leveling my hunt rn bc I don’t want to give the officers actual marital issues….all the wives play BM hunt.

[dusky canopy]

My GMs wife plays boomkin

[plush tendon]

Im high on boomkin

very cool spec

much good

[tulip remnant]

I’m heavily considering it

Was my main for a WHILE. Then SL s1 happened

[plush tendon]

not the best in raid, but druid is kind of mid in raid anyways

SL S1 wasnt boomkin goated?

cause trees

were better tanks

[tulip remnant]

Until they gutted the spec bc of botting.

[strong forum]

sl s1 is when the whole boomkin propaganda started

[plush tendon]

I just remember convoke in S1

then Ravenous Frenzy S2

[strong forum]

they cried all of beta how cringe and weak they were

[karmic plinth]

s2 moonkin was far worse than s1

[strong forum]

and then turned out to be turbo blasters

[plush tendon]

and I was raid leading on Mythic KT and sending the 4 boomkins down to solo the downstairs phase

[tulip remnant]

(I just rolled good legendaries in legion and had fun with it)

[plush tendon]

hoping they didnt screw up their frenzy window

[tulip remnant]

I wish Druid was good again. But I understand why it isn’t.

[strong forum]

time to pug the first key of the season

[tulip remnant]

o7

[plush tendon]

Boomkin is really good in keys

[jagged pier]

Good luck

[plush tendon]

being overshadowed by the FDKs and Augs right now, but people are gonna see the light

[strong forum]

aug?

aug??

[tulip remnant]

Might have to look into it.

[plush tendon]

I was more doing it as the FDK and Aug combo

but I think it gets replaced? maybe? IDK

[tulip remnant]

Aug is a real Raid spot, trust

[plush tendon]

high keys getting cringe

[plush tendon]

naw, in raid Dev>Aug

[tulip remnant]

I was looking at topping Raid charts with 34 APM

Like, it looks stupid

[plush tendon]

Dev is cool

Aug is cringe for making people stop playing Dev as much

[tulip remnant]

I’m currently raiding as Fury, we rerolling this lmao. FDK is probs what I’ll raid on bc we have too many Ret. Could just go goofy Dargon

[plush tendon]

Fury is pog in raid though

you mythic progging?

[tulip remnant]

Nah. Just trying to get AotC with the homies. Should be 6/8 Saturday.

[plush tendon]

oh, then play what you like

Fury is a really strong spec for some of the later fights though

[tulip remnant]

Haven’t bothered getting into mythic rn, first season back since shadowlands s1 lmao

[plush tendon]

Heroic is chill

[tulip remnant]

I just hate playing specs after notable nerfs.

[plush tendon]

its mostly a mechs check, but at a certain point youll just overpower it

[tulip remnant]

True, we have raided for 4 hours a week so far and have had minimal issues.

Was trying to get some decent logs to try and get into a mythic guild as well. But don’t really care to on fury now.

[chilly hamlet]

Hey everyone, I'm looking for some advice to choose a necklace, "Emergency Stop" Keychain (1841Haste/3314Mast) or Locket of Broken Memories (4022Crit/1005Haste) ? If I follow the Icy Veins guide or even while checking Murlokio, the best would be to take the "Emergency Stop" Keychain, but in term of stats values would it be better to take the Locket ?

[hardy snow]

You can just sim which one is better in your case

[tropic linden]

Just watched Jakey and Sense doing Zekvir ?? with below 600 ilvl as Prot and I'm speechless. How tf does this dmg and cordination come from? tried 3 times as Fury and got my ass claped by melee from boss, tried as prot and 1/3 times I can't kill the egg on time or don't have avatar up to cleanse the spit. U guys are on another level

[toxic pewter]

how did u watch it

[strong forum]

they uploaded it to youtube

[fallow hinge]

how do you deal with stacking slow debuff as prot?

[toxic pewter]

oh nice i will watch

[jagged pier]

Its really not to bad u just bait everything away from eggs

Littlewigs has good timers

He does spell queue like a mother tho

Got to get used to that

[sharp gale]

And you don’t always kill the egg if it spawn just rota cc it to finish the thing but don’t kick

[jagged pier]

U might loose a brann int tho

Which can be valuable

[toxic pewter]

how do you guys pull 2nd boss grim batol room

[strong forum]

avatar clears it

[strong forum]

pack by pack

[toxic pewter]

ok but like with the patrolling boss

what is most efficient way to do it

[sharp gale]

I do 2 pack (pack by pack) and then I pull boss where the second pack is

[ripe cypress]

Hey guys! I wanted to try to Sim my DPS as prot and I mainly play M+, would you suggest the Dungeon Slice fight style or Patchwerk, 5 bosses, 1m 30s?

[toxic pewter]

yeah my team must of had low dps cuz 2nd pack was not dead by time boss arrived

[strong forum]

dont rly need to sim m+

just follow the generic stat prio

[ripe cypress]

Fair enough! Thanks

[fallow hinge]

is that the only way?

[strong forum]

yeah

[sharp gale]

Im a gnome eheheh

[strong forum]

im dwarf

[sharp gale]

You can cleanse the slow as dwarf too ?

[ripe cypress]

Fellow Dwarf! BiS Prot race tbh 😄

[ripe cypress]

Would you ever Sim prot btw?

[strong forum]

ofc

[jagged pier]

Always sim

Follow the robot

[ripe cypress]

Praise the bot!

[nimble grail]

Is there somewhere on this discord where i can find the best settings to sim M+ for prot ?

[violet ginkgo]

the robot is best setting or if you mean talent setup it's in the faq channel

[sharp gale]

I still consider switching race which one is cooler in your opinion dwarf or black dwarf ?

[jagged pier]

Dwarf is better for tanking

Technically

[sharp gale]

Even if I’m a only gnome player I have few exception

[toxic pewter]

Gnome is a solid warr race

[graceful kite]

its practically better

[sharp gale]

Yes I know but kinda would like have a bleed dispell

[graceful kite]

because you use your racial whenever you need it

[solid sun]

Is your dps good enough to kill all three of those packs in GB 2nd boss room before the boss pats over

[toxic pewter]

Not many worrisome bleeds right now anyway

[graceful kite]

while dark iron optimal racial use is on cd

[sharp gale]

Still handy when you need it

[graceful kite]

true but if you go dwarf it's nice to remove stuff

[sharp gale]

Bc my slow dispell is only useful on last pack of ara Kara

As gnome

[toxic pewter]

Put in race change

Or get leveling

[graceful kite]

its useful on city of threads last boss too

[sharp gale]

Ye I will check which one looks the best

[sharp gale]

For the cocoon ?

[smoky anvil]

I faction changed to dwarf last night after doing SoB without a poison dispel. Fuckin’ 5 stack after pack before last boss nearly killed me.

[graceful kite]

yep

umbral weave not sure if it has a cocoon animation

[mental scarab]

DiD master race

[sharp gale]

It doesn’t really helps since you are packed to free others but it’s a little thing yes reallly small

[graceful kite]

does gnome racial remove slows?

[toxic pewter]

Regular dwarf better

[graceful kite]

because trash before arakara last boss is pretty annoying with slows

[graceful kite]

or you can immune it and not clear it

ret paladin is great I'm telling you

get yourself a ret friend it works wonders

[sharp gale]

You should always keep in mind you have heroic leap, so it’s more a « second thing » the gnome racial

[toxic pewter]

Most ret paladins don’t have feeedom bound

[rigid edge]

How did you guys managed Zekvir solo on hight difficulty? As prot that is

[graceful kite]

my ret has and its great

[toxic pewter]

He prob clicks freedom by accident or something and it somehow lands on you

[graceful kite]

nw last boss cot last boss with ret is great stuff

[sharp gale]

My friend just has it macroed into his cd to free the focus bc he don’t care

And focus tank

[formal pebble]

Is it bad to macro TC/SS together so can just spam one button or much more optimal to prioritize SS over TC? Maybe if there’s a way for it to prioritize SS for when we have triple procs?

[toxic pewter]

cant really macro two abilities that are on the gcd together

[bronze wraith]

Won't it just do the other if ss is on cd?

[toxic pewter]

doesnt really work well in my experience

[strong forum]

game just doesnt let you

[tribal wharf]

this sucks

[waxen frigate]

Certified yogiposting

[tribal wharf]

one of the biggest and best youtubers on the site

[sick sentinel]

guys i reroll bdk to prot war (cuz bdk feel so squishy like taking higher amounts of damage upfront and healing it back not my type
i have 2 question

1. What should my max haste percentage be? I heard that in some cases there is a cap where the increase is small? also versatility ?

I heard that the prot warrior has some problems with magic dmg that is not a spell shot. What are the tips I should pay attention to?

thanks all 🙂

[waxen frigate]

Objectively not one of the biggest

Have you ever watched brutalmoose yogi you might like him

[merry sluice]

Nish is jealous of wood grain

[sharp gale]

I don’t know which cd he macro it with but it’s funny to get random freedoms in middle of a pack

[tribal wharf]

2 million subscribers is alot

i like alot of tech and game youtuber

[waxen frigate]

I doubt he’s in top 1000 most subscribed

[karmic plinth]

1 - you can never have enough haste

2 - you arent that weak against magic damage - you have spell reflect / wall / spell block / demo shout as tools to deal with it - in the pins is a spreadsheet showign what you can use reflect and spell block on

[jade tartan]

Can keep avatar for utility reasons. Than u are fine

[neon elk]

No jokes i feel like war is one of better tanks against magic

[tribal wharf]

1,200th

top 1000 of usa

[waxen frigate]

https://youtu.be/A3qVbbzElJI?si=JezqOP-P5NbBSM0O you might like this channel

[sick sentinel]

When I looked at the skills, I thought this would not be a problem, but some say it is a cons idk

[tribal wharf]

GIMME A DRINK BARTENDER

smash

[sick sentinel]

should be better than bdk frontal tanking

[tribal wharf]

ya,, dont worry

if its a video game meme

i've seen it

[quasi pivot]

I'm 610ish was easy on prot and really easy now on Fury. Interrupt his spittle cast, dodge the big and small conals, save 45s CDs for each egg.

[waxen frigate]

I just mean the channel

Not the game

[tribal wharf]

ummmm i forget if hes the type of youtuber i watch or not

i want to say i dont

[waxen frigate]

He doesn’t do a lot of gaming videos anymore

He mostly just does whatever the fuck he wants every few months

[neon elk]

Like yea u are weak against magic dmg when u compare it to physical . But u can deal with it just as good or better than rest. Like what are other tanks doing with magic dmg ? Maybe like BDK with healing it insta back is better there..

[tribal wharf]

ADS omegalul

fucking ads

[rigid edge]

Yeah I've been trying that but for some reasons my damage seems crap on the egg, will give it a another spin later

[waxen frigate]

https://youtu.be/upgDXmBJeUE?si=xE8hgwhz4jA5iPKT like when he went to a Dave and busters or something

[sharp gale]

That’s kinda the reason my gnome racial fell off with literally a third thing to dispell slows

[waxen frigate]

Imagine not having premium

[tribal wharf]

i aint paying for that lol

[waxen frigate]

I split it with friends, comes out to like $5/month

Best value of any streaming subscription

Easily

[sick sentinel]

on bdk i can solve this with healing, but trash fights made me hate bdk. The constant runic power generate/spend with healing thing and if I miss it even for 1 second, my health drops to 15% is tiring and disgusting.
And the lack of mobility makes it difficult for me to put together trash fights lol

[sharp gale]

Does only fans has streams ?

[graceful kite]

whats lgr

[waxen frigate]

Boomer reviews video games

It is extremely yogicore

[tribal wharf]

Lazy Game Reviews

[graceful kite]

imagine not getting ads

without premium...

[waxen frigate]

Mobile ad-free, tv ad-free, etc

[tribal wharf]

im boomer maxxing over here

[graceful kite]

yep

haven't seen an ad in umm

10 years prob...

[waxen frigate]

I mean same other than when I try to go to wowhead on my phone and the site barely loads

🙂

[graceful kite]

I swear wowhead around shadowlands had a javascript cryptominer

it was eating up resources like crazy if left unattended

[waxen frigate]

xdd

[tribal wharf]

but, yes, i do like retro games

pc, arcade, console, doesnt matter what its on

if its good to play, im probably gunna ply it

[merry sluice]

Brutalmoose has a habit of…over editing in my opinion, that makes it really difficult to watch sometimes

“Haha funny quirky sound effect!” Gets grating before long

[waxen frigate]

That is kinda his thing tbf

So if you don’t like it yeah his content won’t be appealing

It’s like low-effort but high-effort

ytp type editing

[tribal wharf]

thats literal how i made my last video i worked on, goofy ass cartoon sfx

[tribal wharf]

i never became a youtuber

cuz, i always knew i'd just be a pooptuber

only thing i ever needed was a big enough hard drive which i didnt have

[sharp gale]

Gotta store somewhere those moonguard screenshots

[tribal wharf]

me and 2 others went to moonguard goldshire inn "for science" one night

the guy wanted to see it and it had been a very long time since i visted there

[merry sluice]

Bruh you don’t even gotta go to goldshire.

They sneak into Stormwind so often

If I log in on my 🐐 I am gonna get whispered the most down bad shit

[sharp gale]

You didn’t go with friends, you went alone like you used to do huh ? Good old days

[timber viper]

you guys think radiant power is better for M+?

[merry sluice]

I remember a while back stormwind got sharded on Moonguard bc of the goblin even thing

[tribal wharf]

i blieve its power is for ST

[waxen frigate]

Yogi be like

[tribal wharf]

double check

[merry sluice]

So everyone went to use Darkshire as the RP hub.

The goldshire troglodytes snuck into Darkshire with them.

[timber viper]

thorugh it was depths for ST and power for MT

[tribal wharf]

IF YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW

fuck this guy

they put a million of him in episode 2

[waxen frigate]

Y’all motherfuckers BETTER laugh at my bespoke yogi meme

[tribal wharf]

he moves double the speed, and he fire rate doubles as fast

and yet he has the same or more hp as a low gaurd

damn mutant

also the officer, SPION > dead

wolf 3d officers and mutants are almost as bad as the monsters in blood

[zinc fog]

hey quick question - sometimes during a longer pull in mythics it feels like my rage generation stalls out and i don't have enough to keep up shield block + a decent amount of ignore pain. is this because im messing up my rotation, or just something that happens eventually and u cover with defensives?

[graceful kite]

you are messing up your rotation

[tribal wharf]

we dont know what without a log

[graceful kite]

are you using ignore pain to not cap rage or are you using it whenever you can?

[waxen frigate]

^ or playing ITF without insane haste

[tribal wharf]

but you are likely doing something wrong if thats the case

[graceful kite]

because keeping up ignore pain isn't important

keeping up shield block with the recommended build shouldn't be an issue

[zinc fog]

ah ok i figured as much, just wanted to double check that its not normal before reviewing wtf im doing. it sounds like i might be spamming ignore pain too much. i dont think im deliberately using it to keep rage from capping, just habitually hitting the key

[tulip remnant]

I was over casting IP.

[graceful kite]

you use shield block to have it 100% of the time you are getting hit and use ignore pain when you have 70 rage

[zinc fog]

ahhh ok gotcha. i'm not playing ITF im playing the normal build, think i just need to be more concious of my IP usage

ty all!

[sharp gale]

And don’t avatar when the pack is almost dead because you will rage starve on the next

[graceful kite]

nah you can send it

if you are fighting stuff for the full duration or even less of a cooldown its worth using

[sharp gale]

Was more like don’t avatar if you can’t lower its cd enough bc pack is almost dead like opening the next with avatar 1 min+ cd is kinda weird

[graceful kite]

don't see a problem in pulling a pack without avatar

I think as a general rule you should use your cooldowns

[tulip remnant]

…people don’t play with internal rotation of cool down usage????

[graceful kite]

I see a lot of people in lower or even normal range of 10 being very conservative with their cds and its a bad habit in wow for EVERY spec

if you fight stuff for the whole duration of a cd it's 95% that it's worth using

and it's better to use a defensive even for a random bolt you will be hit with

use cooldowns - they're fun to play with and it's actually the optimal way of playing

[fluid widget]

Are there any defensive trinkets that are worth using in raid or m+?

[sharp gale]

Talking about using avatar when pack is almost dead if it last 20 seconds the pack was not almost dead

[chilly brook]

Just chain the pull 4head

[graceful kite]

yep

[chilly brook]

If you have CDs as a warrior just send it

[tulip remnant]

It’s a lost art now. People treating tanks like DPS

[graceful kite]

dps literally are the same now

you should use your cds

you can only fit so many dps cooldown into a mythic+ run and sitting on it gets you 1-2-3-4+ casts less per dungeon

[chilly brook]

The only reason not to send CDs as a dps are because you know the tank won’t chain and you lose the use

[graceful kite]

and 100% of trash and all bosses need to die in that dungeon to finish

[chilly brook]

Or if it’s gonna be wasted on the pack because someone else blew it up

[tulip remnant]

I meant people wanting to slam all CDs on fresh packs to see big number

[chilly brook]

I mean slamming CD on fresh pack is just ideal

[graceful kite]

It's the way to play...

[inland raft]

Only time i dont send immediately isbifbpack is already about to die as in will die during the cd or another cd is only a few seconds away and i wait to pair it together

Otherwise just send

[graceful kite]

you slam everything whenever you have it

[tulip remnant]

Even as tank, when you should be trying to get all your CDs rolling so you aren’t sitting on 14 CDs.