It grants you like 30% critblock chance and it lines up with every spear and Ravager
#protection
strong forum
So it's a good dmg boost during cds
And just solid cuz it has 3k strength perma
Whereas mandate only has 1.2k crit
inner wren
ok but mandate looks cooler
strong forum
Not a fan of mandate in keys as tank cuz we don't have ways to buff it like other hero talents
tribal wharf
i could just run siege for crit haste boots
strong forum
As arms I can get like 14mik crits with it
tribal wharf
but fuck siegeg
strong forum
As tank it's barely 8mil crits
bleak breach
I don’t think there’s any necessary WA. I just run a IP tracker
shield bloc and spell block tracker
Seeing red/outburst
sudden death and my colossus stacks
tribal wharf
u barely do any dmg with reflect shadowclaw if u run SV this week, compared to last week
strong forum
It tracks all your necessary buffs + unique tracking of outburst and basically plays the class for you if you pay attention to the glows and stack trackers
inner wren
i'm just waiting for an orange name to tell me i can go colossus in peace
tribal wharf
onyl 3.57m reflects on those
strong forum
Can safely play colossus in mists and ara ara
tribal wharf
its like 4.9 with fort
inner wren
strong forum
Siege and GB you wanna stay away from colossus
Cuz there's a good chunk of unblockable dmg
strong forum
So you want the extra rage and Dr that thane provides
tribal wharf
ya, but i already been through siege in the past
bleak breach
So do you go for KSM or anything?
bleak breach
Gb
inner wren
it was that last hallway that pissed me off and they giga nerfed it
bleak breach
That’s unpleasant on tyrannical
First boss is normally your stop gap for ara Kara though. If your dps is too low there goes your timer.
sonic rock
cant really think of one that makes me groan
the 20000th NW of the week kinda annoying ngl
strong forum
NW is just shit
strong forum
But all dungeons are kinda boring to tank already
They were fun early on but now it's just
sonic rock
I miss Tazavesh 2 sometimes, that shit was snappy
strong forum
Maybe I need to do higher keys but nothing does any dmg
But also still literally 16ilvl behind max so why would I bother pushing
That's just wasted time
shadow sequoia
noob question, is it normal for shield dura to always going down even without deaths ?
shadow sequoia
xD
sonic rock
tbh dura as a mechanic makes no sense in todays wow
shadow sequoia
2 times I had my shield break, and I was so confused because they were 0 death runs xD
inner wren
it's the op tax
sonic rock
like it was used as a gold sink so that economy wasnt turbo inflated
sonic rock
but nowadays who cares echo spent 6k mil gold in this rwf, thats more gold than even existed in the game from classic to wotlk in like 6 years of everyone playing
south zealot
i forgot to repair before a lower kara and my shield broke on the bigass pull above attunemen
i lived bc it was like a 14 or some shit
sonic rock
i forgot to repair before a lower kara and my shield broke on the bigass pull ab...
Karazhan?
south zealot
fun times
sonic rock
MonkaW
south zealot
yes
sonic rock
I wanna cry from that name
south zealot
great dungeon i liked it
sonic rock
SL s4 karazhan gives me chills still today, hated higher with my soul
south zealot
lower kara was wayyyyyyyyyy too hard the first 2 weeks
the first boss just wasnt possible to do on any relevant keystones without feign death abusing
frigid spire
is there a point to use D stance?
south zealot
Or one of the operas?
the dual bosses on first boss
was just impossible if you didnt feign death to remove one of the bosses
fight would take like 7 minutes, but possible with only 1 alive
south zealot
is there a point to use D stance?
yeah it gives you damage reduction whenever you need it
pallid quiver
Cuz those keys do 0 dmg to us
Tell that to the people in here daily getting clapped in the maze smh
merry sluice
bro
my heart hurts
i jsut got out of a stonevault where the evoker buttpulled
all of this
i have never feared for my life so much
blissful iris
OUCH
merry sluice
he bdid his flying breath shit down the hall
then knocked it back
which pulled the trash in the other room through the wall
merry sluice
dude i
jagged gust
that sounds fucking intentional
merry sluice
i was fucking stunned
speechless
we ended with 10 seconds left
bc he kept dying and bringing someone downw ith him
by some fucking MIRACLE. that is the ONE PULL he did not die on
I DONT EVNE KNOW
bleak breach
Is it worth chasing the special gem bonus? Like using 1 gem of each type? Or just use haste crit gems?
lusty grotto
was his name Baxter?
lusty grotto
merry sluice
oh
robust urchin
https://tenor.com/view/imnotevenmad-thatsamazing-ron-burgundy-anchorman-will-fer...
Is this a reference to something?
lime mantle
Anchormen I think
icy flax
Jesus christ
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
*all of this*
icy flax
I don't get why people go right when they get to the stairs?
If you go left you kill all the trash in the way of the minecart
Perfect % that way too
Unless ppl are doing a skip idk about but everyone and their mother has true sight in modern dungeons
merry sluice
if u go right u get the blacksmith/warrior buff
which is 10 mins of 10% verse
which is pretty big
robust urchin
if u go right u get the blacksmith/warrior buff
Dude I never seen those fucking ingots
Where the fuck are they
icy flax
20% VERS BOOM
tribal wharf
and every single time i go left at stairs if its arakar
robust urchin
Arakar DEEZ NUTS
icy flax
Ara Kara wasn't part of this ?
robust urchin
tribal wharf
you are serious i can gget free buff start of ara by just go right
icy flax
My brother in Christ it's Stonevault
icy flax
Look at the MDT pic; I always go left for perfect % but turns out right has a war blacksmith 10% vers buff
tribal wharf
is that in uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hold on
merry sluice
warrior, blacksmith, dwarf click it and u get 10 mionutes of verse buff
tribal wharf
or the rock boss?
merry sluice
speakers
robust urchin
rock is a pretty simple boss if nobody dies
Every boss is simple if nobody dies
tribal wharf
yeah i didnt know there is an anvil i can go get in that dungeon
bleak breach
Every boss is simple if nobody dies
Fair call
tribal wharf
the anvil looking unassuming to me at first glance
the anvil should be large and stand out
merry sluice
ara-kara tailors can get a st stun for 13 seconds (it does work on the minibosses, which is arguably the only applicable use for it..)
CoT has enginer/priests/rogues poking atr the statue hologram thingies
I'll be disappointed if you don't know about druid/nelf/tauren's in mists
tribal wharf
some visual way of displaying its full of power
bleak breach
Isn’t there a bar at the start somewhere too? I read there’s 2 bars you can grab so you can get the buff twice
tribal wharf
i say change the anvil model itself add some fog and im happy
cuz id just run past if i never knew it existed
merry sluice
you would?
fluid widget
How much haste do i need to drop Heavy Reprecussions in raid?
merry sluice
it sounds like you have been
merry sluice
you can run itf in raid since dropping shield block won't kill you
you don't need the near 100% uptime that dungeons impose on you since you arent tanking the whole time
fluid widget
awesome thank you
tribal wharf
also, healers mostly, can put external DR or heal you up
more healers in a raid
so its very hard to compare a raid to a key
robust urchin
ara-kara tailors can get a st stun for 13 seconds (it does work on the minibosse...
Herbalist too in mist
If you're talking about the vines
merry sluice
and herbalist
the amount of mists i've run w/ a druid or nelf or tauren who can obviosly do the profession but dont know about the shrooms kills my soul
they'll do the vines at the start and call it a day
robust urchin
Dumb assholes
tribal wharf
engineers that dont pick up flamethrower in meadry
wind sleet
what are best embellishments ?
tribal wharf
thats what i mean, is those things need a BIG glow or a note in the dungeon journal or something
merry sluice
thats what i mean, is those things need a BIG glow or a note in the dungeon jour...
remember when dungeon journal crashed you if you typed 'throu'
tribal wharf
i do not sadly
robust urchin
engineers that dont pick up flamethrower in meadry
That dungeon isn't even the rotation
Nobody cares
tribal wharf
i think its a sign of things to come when it is a key
either completely forgotten or used heavliy
merry sluice
dude doing IPA is gonna be miserbale in ekys lol
noone is gonna cc or kill the adds
and will\
????
when they die with the boss sitting on a fat ass shield
im calling it
rigth now
rigid edge
merry sluice
oh god
and the bee boss
meadery si gonna be a rough pug key
gl getting people to ram bees into the barrels 
tribal wharf
first room will be hell on fort
tribal wharf
and the boss
merry sluice
before mythics started, and we were heroic spamming
even then
i was constantly soloing the trash
tribal wharf
cuz i have a feeling ppl will tank him at the bar, and then pollute the bar
merry sluice
bc someone would pull everything
merry sluice
meadery is jsut gonna be ass to pug all around tbh
bc im now also remembering those big mobs that charge and spit out adds when they hit the wall
tribal wharf
the barrel dudes toward IPA are pug destroyers
merry sluice
everyone is gonna aim those 50 miles off into narnia
then refuse to bring them towards the tank
upbeat jetty
any thoughts why dawnthread embelishment is better then ascendance? literally every other class uses ascendance?
tribal wharf
ya, when it comes to getting a player to pick up and use some item, can be one of the trickiest thinggs
merry sluice
sim it if you think ascendance will be better for your character
but at max ilvl, having an embellished weapon is a debuff on its own that detracts from the value of ascendance since crafted items have a lower max ilvl cap
upbeat jetty
yea, i get the ilvl diff but purely from an embelishment standpoint of view
tribal wharf
ever since that video i just sent a minute ago, i have brought a few vendor food items for mana, shitty rejuv potions, will grab mage foods and trade to healer start of key if i can now
upbeat jetty
but simming would be my best bet, yea thought so
tribal wharf
but this healer i was with didnt seem to need alot of that, just 1 time
merry sluice
but this healer i was with didnt seem to need alot of that, just 1 time
Man the healers I’ve had are SOMETHING
Third boss CoT a 9 in the first week right?
Dps soaks a couple of the no no orbs and has a heal absorb
Resto shaman proceeds to leave him at half hp with the absorb for over half a minute
He eventually died to the aoe pulse
merry sluice
Oh he did
The first time
It happened twice 🙂
We never saw the last boss
Healer had like sub 400k overall by the end
next pasture
so is zekvir possible like, unless you have godly rng? i've tried as all 3 specs and i can't get both kicks on him, can't live through multiple enfeebles, if i had a way to removes slows on myself, sure... but??? what am i supposed to do to deal with mechanics?
jagged gust
Healer had like sub 400k overall by the end
so like, an average healer these days
robust urchin
so is zekvir possible like, unless you have godly rng? i've tried as all 3 specs...
Healing Brann cures you too once
You basically have to keep avatar for purging
jagged gust
yeah it's considered a slow, so unfortunately that's our only self dispel
merry sluice
I haven’t bothered going into zek on warrior
Si idk the good warrior tricks
But most important thing to remember is that zek is not a race
Save your burst for add spawns
neon elk
Dodging simulator
merry sluice
Bro my pain when I did it on BDK
I had to go march if darkness and wraith walk to avoid that shit
Wish u was in my warrior
But I have no desire to kill him again bc I think that fight was utter dog shit design. I got the achievement im never looking at his dopy ass again
oak ivy
so is zekvir possible like, unless you have godly rng? i've tried as all 3 specs...
do it as fury, healer brann, talent into odyn's fury, let the dot/slow cast go off and either brann dispels, you avatar, or you odyn's fury (or if dwarf stoneform)
thats how i did it anyway
next pasture
i see, having to save dps cooldowns for the slow is obnoxious lol.
oak ivy
Yeah it's not fun but it's doable. and the title goes hard
Took me like 2 hours of using a veeeery bastardized talent setup (every survivability talent fury has access to including +10%stam in warrior tree) lost a looooot of pulls to the portals and his frontal
neon elk
Ive lost bunch of them cuz i got stuck on those braziers or wtf they are around the stairs..
oak ivy
Yeaaahhh thats fair, he does like to throw adds up there 
tribal wharf
this healer i had was really good i felt
104 m healing from gust of wind
whatever that is
whole umbra
what are the thoughts here on swarmlord's authority (tank trinket from silken court)
marble sundial
pretty sure its bis on monks
whole umbra
I have heard mixed reviews, people calling Details Champ (looks good in details but isn't that effective)
tribal wharf
well, this healer understands what to do
winged sage
hey dudes, how is the Reactive Webbed Escutcheon?
mighty valley
not great! the effect doesn’t really beat having secondaries and stamina
winged sage
well thats dissappointing
warm plinth
And it's been deemed that anything not good for you, is bad, hence illegal
robust urchin
And it's been deemed that anything not good for you, is bad, hence illegal
Nobody here is old enough to remember that movie besides you and me
robust urchin
50k
chilly brook
no I'm sorry
chilly brook
Show me the potential by pushing your key 🙂
round cliff
pugs make me wanna cry and both my favorite healers are on a cruise ship rn
how do i pug keys without sadness
robust urchin
ive got all this potential
robust urchin
how do i pug keys without sadness
Alcohol
round cliff
Alcohol
like how will i live with myself if i brick the key .. id uninstall out of guilt
warm plinth
Nobody here is old enough to remember that movie besides you and me
Even people who have seen it probably don't remember that quote, since it's not even really anything lol
native flume
I don't even bother pugging without my duo, literally haven't seen anyone out dps him in a single mythic yet. Thought people might git gud at 10's but nope
neon elk
like how will i live with myself if i brick the key .. id uninstall out of guilt
If u brick it u can blame it on alcohol tho, its a win win
dark cosmos
very good question, chinese ziggs.
round cliff
what was the legion artifact ability
oh right
discount odyns fury
nah nvm it can stay gone
opal forum
i bricked a 7 NW 
warm plinth
Shield breathed fire and we got guaranteed crit blocks for 3 seconds
opal forum
then i bricked the 6
neon elk
How ?
deep heron
Do Colossus PTR Buffs affect the Mountain Thane vs Colossus calculus for Prot? Didn't see any comment on that on the Update page.
calm hearth
Anyone can help me in deciding what to craft as a prot warrior and what Embellishments ?
neon elk
U got wep shield ? If no then do that
calm hearth
i got a hc wep and a normal shield
neon elk
Then it depends on content u do but most common is wrist/belt with embelish, unless u had any of those on mythic
And u crafting mythic or hc?
calm hearth
And u crafting mythic or hc?
didnt understand ur question
but mostly my content i play is m+ i would say
calm hearth
636
neon elk
Then if u have enough crests for 2 craft i personaly will do both wep and shield
Especialy shield since u have normal one thats a huge deff upgrade
And wep+shield is way more than any embelish, and on top of that u can do embelish on shield also
tawdry herald
skarmorak shard has a ton of mastery value, im assuming its listed as an A-tier trinket for us because it lines up with every ravager+spear and we get attack power from mastery?
is that implemented correctly in raidbots?
calm hearth
Then if u have enough crests for 2 craft i personaly will do both wep and shield
alright thanks
neon elk
skarmorak shard has a ton of mastery value, im assuming its listed as an A-tier ...
Yap, tons of dmg on demand* every dmg window we have, passive str on top of that , and crit block during those windows as well
tawdry herald
is there a rough equivalency for attack power -> damage?
curious how big 9% attack power is
neon elk
No idea bro ngl, but its one of better ones and its easily simmable if u wanna compare it
exotic wyvern
yo all, is there any reason why none are using engi wrists atm?
considering crafting omen wrists and idk why i wouldnt make engi ones over bs
next pasture
Yeah it's not fun but it's doable. and the title goes hard
did it thanks to you bro! haha
oak ivy
did it thanks to you bro! haha
dull vine
What should i use in high M+?
oak ivy
Gotta be shard and scarablords, right?
dull vine
Its what i thinking too
exotic wyvern
+1
neon elk
Define high
dull vine
10+
neon elk
I wouldnt go scrab for 10-11s
dull vine
Egg + Swarm for tough and Skarmorak + Egg for atack?
neon elk
Shard+egg for all at that lvl imo
oak ivy
I wouldnt go scrab for 10-11s
howcome
dull vine
Shard+egg for all at that lvl imo
ty
wide pilot
how are you guys cycling your cds on the 1st boss of cot?
neon elk
howcome
I dont feel the need to be any more tanky ? Ill rather have more dmg when i know i wont die
turbid dagger
Are there any soft secondary stat requirements? like for mastry & crit? should we just be stacking haste / vers for Mplus
neon elk
What for do i live more ? If i die either me or someone else screws something , not much a trinket can fix
oak ivy
fair fair
neon elk
But u do u , if u feel the need , go for it
soft tusk
Can we Catalyze crafted gear?
jagged gust
Can we Catalyze crafted gear?
soft tusk
hahah. I didn't see he responded
Also - can we have more than 2 crafted pieces equipped?
jagged gust
Yes, but not with embellishes
jagged gust
if you're gonna multi-spec, go for bracers/cloak
soft tusk
already have the 626 cloak..
opal forum
hey guys, im not an amazing top level war, but im also not completely garbage (i was doing 24 in DF without really tryharding and struggling). But im getting annoyed tagging with pugs that struggle to not die on a +5. You guys have any tips on where i can find teamates?
soft tusk
crafting ring is bad?>
jagged gust
I'm struggling to find healers that can break 400k, #puglife
opal forum
im in so much pain man, i dont want to suffer through the low elo just to get to a "decent" level of keys
jagged gust
Crafting in general never bad, just 3 ilvls lower than it potentially could be
tulip remnant
I'm struggling to find healers that can break 400k, #puglife
Bro what
opal forum
im very often outhealing and outdps people in my group as a prot war
and thats not even the problem, its giga low key
but they die to every single mechanics
jagged gust
elo hell
opal forum
its terrible, i dont have much time this season and im honestly considering to stop cuz i cant see myself going through this pain just to get to +10
jagged gust
It's usually a healer doing ~4-500k overall, and 1-2 DPS hovering around 500k
tulip remnant
It's usually a healer doing ~4-500k overall, and 1-2 DPS hovering around 500k
DPS or HPS?
jagged gust
Yeah I got covid at the start of season so I'm incredibly behind in io and ilvl
jagged gust
DPS or HPS?
HPS
jagged gust
Wild, you can do 400k HPS in blues
Yeah, I keep seeing healers complain about this season, but in my limited experience, they are the problem
opal forum
where do people find teamates in this game
jagged gust
Highest damage intake and not even the highest heals
tulip remnant
This might be a thing of not selecting the right people
opal forum
maybe
tulip remnant
Yeah, I keep seeing healers complain about this season, but in my limited experi...
It sucks ass as heals, people blow up
tulip remnant
Arcane?
jagged gust
615 ilvl hunter with 2.1k io, did 400k less DPS than first place
tulip remnant
You need to pull larger packs for mages to pop off. They are a CD spec
jagged gust
The right people to invite are doing keys 5 levels higher right now lol
tulip remnant
io means shit most of the time
People got 2k day 1 in depleted keys
How big are you guys pulling?
opal forum
standard
im still outdpsing that mage on the first pull with BL
but again, its super low key
even if the dps is rock bottom low
it dosent matter
but they constantly die to the most stupid things
tulip remnant
I got nothing, I tanked a GB 4 with a 587 r sham. Bro was cookin, we wiped once on some random pull and that was it.
tulip remnant
Worrying about finding the perfect group isn’t going to get you anywhere.
opal forum
im not trying to find the perfect group
im trying to find 1 or 2 guy that understand basic knowledge of dungeons
tulip remnant
Are you taking the first applicants?
tulip remnant
Kinda hard to tell without logs, is the healer having to dedicate too much time to keep you alive?
opal forum
the healer do 300k hps
no, my hp bar is basically not moving
my original question was if you guys have tip to find teamates, like a discord or a forum
tulip remnant
I just get randos or people in my guild that aren’t toxic
opal forum
how did you find ur guild?
im not trying to be in a raid roster
so im not sure how to still find a decent one
tulip remnant
Just find one you like hanging out in.
jagged gust
Very hard to find a guild of sociable people in wow
neon elk
my original question was if you guys have tip to find teamates, like a discord o...
Recruit DCs , maybe forum , ingame chat , or simply add people u play with that u think are good enough to play with them again and build a network , maybe join some of theirs guild..
tulip remnant
Hell, find someone with a neat name in game and start there
Just…avoid tichondrius and you’re chillin
neon elk
Or kazzak if u are eu
opal forum
ill try that, thanks for letting me vent here a lil 😭
wicked basalt
Anyone been trying collosus recently?
jagged gust
It's dope
lament zealot
Never played thane, been colossus since the jump
Well, I did one +9 or something as thane, doesn't feel nearly as fun to me
jagged gust
A lot safer, MT has a much easier time pooling it's IP
lone current
Where you get this route from? that is wildly low trash % by the time you finish
jagged gust
but yeah no juicy demolish, I can't believe they made the leggo feel good
neon elk
Where you get this route from? that is wildly low trash % by the time you finish
Thats the special route to see if u can kill 3rd boss, no point in geting 100% if u dont finish anyway, if u kill it u do % after ( just a wild guess)
opal forum
its really not that deep and out of conversation
fast oracle
what embellishment do we like on our 1H?
opal forum
i made this in 20sec just to have a global view of it since someone asked
anyway people will bodypull
opal forum
yeah
im not actually skipping them
thats completely beside the point
i was really only asking if you guys have some trick to find people cuz im lonely as F and cant bear the pugs at low elo
but someone asked how big i was pulling so i did this quickly
drifting fable
there is a guild recruitment discord you could check that out if youre truly at a loss
opal forum
whats the name?
split thunder
is the first boss in Siege supposed to fixate on the tank?
drifting fable
i bet there is an eu equivalent tho
drifting fable
is the first boss in Siege supposed to fixate on the tank?
should only ever fixate ranged i think
unless theyre dead
split thunder
yeah makes sense. We had all melee so that might have messed it up
neon elk
i was really only asking if you guys have some trick to find people cuz im lonel...
Idk what low elo u are but u play tank how tf are u lonely ? People will suck your toes for you to join them
fluid widget
switched from fury to prot, is the ascension embellishment any good for raid? trying to recraft and fix my gear
raw parcel
Aww yeah, just completed my third +10. Over time, again, but shit... that's three done. 😄
opal forum
so long story short, i used to play in EU and i now play in NA, my friends that i used to play with are in EU. I dont want to be in a roster right now cuz im busy with work IRL, im looking to semi-trhard m+ (i was doing 24+ confortably in DF)
ive tried to join a few guilds but all of them where either super casual, or very toxic
bleak breach
Aww yeah, just completed my third +10. Over time, again, but shit... that's thre...
Still solid mate, they ain’t easy to complete and definitely not to time.
raw parcel
I'm proud of my mediocre achievement.
violet ginkgo
Aww yeah, just completed my third +10. Over time, again, but shit... that's thre...
at least that is 1 more to get the 2 myth track in vault 👍
raw parcel
Two more, I was counting my +10 last week also, three total so far this season. Done a ton of 9s, but 10 is like hitting a wall.
neon elk
Well 10s are noticably harder than 9s cuz of added afix, also its only key that reward max vault so competition is also higher
raw parcel
The best in the world are only managing +14, and only 6 of those have been completed by anyone, anywhere.
Adding the two affixes together at 10 feels like a... kinda shitty design choice. Their M+ design this season has me wanting Sanguine back.
neon elk
Yea but 14s compared to 10s are day and night rn
teal laurel
What's the consensus on things like this, would it be smarter to use a 606 trinket like silken or a pure ilvl upgrade. E.g.
neon elk
Still , if u are doing 10s now u are like best 10% or even better..
raw parcel
Yeah, Blizz decided to hit normies with a brick wall at 10, and the uber elite with a brick wall at 12. Or I'm guessing that +20% is a brick wall, I'm not good enough to actually try it out myself.
teal laurel
The easier 10s aren't that bad.
raw parcel
Still , if u are doing 10s now u are like best 10% or even better..
Thanks man 😄
teal laurel
But I imagine chewing glass than Nec 11 or something
raw parcel
Mists is fine, almost timed that one, but some dungeons are exercises in pain tolerance.
round cliff
how do i properly vet ppl for stonevault
i can pick ppl with ranged kicks. but will they use them? fuck no
jagged gust
i can pick ppl with ranged kicks. but will they use them? fuck no
you got leap+charge
sharp mural
Guys what is Your experience with new xalathath affix? Is it worth losing one talent point in Endurance Training and Bounding stride to reach wrecking throw or shattering throw for extra shield/absorb dmg?
lusty grotto
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
can the fucking siege ring drop
2.5 weeks of non stop siege
holy shit
lusty grotto
Guys what is Your experience with new xalathath affix? Is it worth losing one ta...
no
shattering throw does nothing to it, its not an immunity
you mean wrecking
and no its not worth
neon elk
I know your feeling , no ring no boots sadge
lusty grotto
no ring, no SV cloak
and im still missing a fucking trinket
no dawnbreaker ring either
its ridiculous
neon elk
Luckily i got that ring rather early, and one of my 2 maps gave me crit haste cloak
But idk how i got desires trinkets before random boots or ring..
lusty grotto
i cant really complain, i have mandate
but im rocking either a mercurial egg or a corrosive organ as 2nd trinket
so i guess im in farm hell for 4 different dungeons
and ive been non-stop doing siege every chance i get
royal chasm
what should I be crafting first? Weapon or shield?
neon elk
Damn now u reminded me i still need belt from batol
Is organ that good or u use it cuz its mythic ?
mental scarab
@royal chasm shield
raven knoll
is there a special haste point where im allowed to spec into „into the fray“? and do i need to swap another talant with it too?
neon elk
35-40% unbufed
raven knoll
fuck im only around 25% if even that yet 😦
violet ginkgo
just be comfy with HR ezpz
raven knoll
whats hr?
raven knoll
ahh okey thanks
merry sluice
yooo grim batol brikced bc the third boss fucking resets
loooove it
dog shit fucking game
neon elk
Psssst be glad u got into beta
zealous goblet
2.5 weeks of non stop siege
why are you doing siege of ogri still
icy flax
Who up 🐥
icy flax
Is that something I should also join in in saying
zealous goblet
(m*me)
it was a daily question for like 4 days
nim kept getting into violent turf wars over it
icy flax
It was a bait trinket like the highest bait possible and every day multiple times a day in vdh discord ppl would ask about it that They made it an emote for me so I could make fun of them
😁
I can't use emotes here but it's still around
It was such a bad trinket it wouldn't see value unless you were doing 26s back then(16s now)
kind glen
🦬
icy flax
🦬
urban portal
It was a bait trinket like the highest bait possible and every day multiple time...
the same in this discord
zealous goblet
🍑 🍆
so i got the stonevault mount
problem
i dont have an alt for two trinkets
2/3 of the trinkets require a caster dps or some shit.
for the quest to repair it
they have int on em and shit
what do
sweet summit
get them traded to you by guildies/friends
sweet summit
log off
zealous goblet
this is not a meme
icy flax
the same in this discord
You talked in vdh back then 
zealous goblet
they mental boomin and stuff over various wow things
icy flax
I feel so bad for ppl that hate the game and open it every day
sweet summit
WHAT YOU PUSHIN' BUD
icy flax
If I didn't like this discord I'd make fun of fury warriors til I got banned
zealous goblet
pushin keys
old basin
gentleman im a new player, is Tough as Nails good ?
icy flax
You're cute 🥺
sweet summit
gentleman im a new player, is Tough as Nails good ?
is that the choice node with spell block?
kind glen
yes
old basin
is that the choice node with spell block?
yeah
rigid yew
Fury warriors are weird because they do less damage despite having double the weapons
sweet summit
it's free damage so it's good yeah. spell block is just insane when it works
old basin
i wish i had a wa to tell me when to cast spell block
im confused as to when to use it
same was spell reflection
kind glen
Best you can do is learn the Block/Reflect sheet lol
old basin
really ?
rigid yew
Just macro that shit to ta/ss and be done with it
zealous goblet
assume when you see that it means you can also block
is probably a safe assumption
it only shows up when your spell reflect is up
it disappears if someone kicks the spell
tender reef
5% IP buff
icy flax
Yea man unkillable now
tender reef
Truuuuu
Now we need a sudden death buff and double warrior arena
And dmg increase
They love us
I can't find dk changes in the post though, I thought they would make some ?
icy flax
Does colossus prot actually do damage if they press execute and if so can they live boss damage
icy flax
I can't find dk changes in the post though, I thought they would make some ?
I'm looking for vdh changes myself 
sweet summit
colossus pumps
tender reef
Does colossus prot actually do damage if they press execute and if so can they l...
Well sudden death is kinda nice the other talent is 2 more rage per shield slam and 1 sec SB uptime
And sudden death crits for a mil
tender reef
I'm pretty sure it is 🤷♂️
lusty grotto
nope
sweet summit
HR is with ITF
ED is with SD Massacre
lusty grotto
SD <> SoF
tender reef
Ahh nah true
sweet summit
wait no that's massacre
tender reef
It's 10% revenge dmg
sweet summit
yeah that
lusty grotto
ED <> Massacre yea
tender reef
Yeah I changed to that because I wanted to try it
icy flax
I need to gear my pwar so I can take ITF and bother people
sweet summit
how
sweet summit
what
tender reef
Then next boss 1
sweet summit
to emissary right? not the actual dungeon
white delta
are you guys crafting neck for prot war?
icy flax
Are you inting the boss?
tender reef
With the second to last boss group, we had druid kept flaming and dying lol. Then he left
What can I do alone against boss when they all keep dying lol
icy flax
If you wiped 6 times to one boss you're the guy who was there all 6 times
It's just objective is all
I'm not blaming u some dps are subhuman
But all u can do is see what u did
tender reef
This was one the 9 last night
And this was an 8 I ran https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZdgFjVyYRzAQk9vT#fight=24&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9y1fZKjaJLnFAmRd#fight=5
Here another 9 different talents
dBm already tells you position change, and the guy casts his nova.
You can not not see it.
I even had rouge premade tell me "oh I thought it would just hurt a bit" no brother it's insta death lol
I put even marker down to show the route
I have marker on my head
I Strafe into Back peddal so I don't backshot die
In atleast 2 from the 6 I got double bullet shot, that's 3 mill each then tank buster and dead lol
Idk what you mean, or expect me to do beside playing the mechanics and hope for the best lol
That's what I do in all pugs
heavy sparrow
Can we talk collosus and thunder build hero talents pls
elfin garden
heavy sparrow
Prote are broken?
merry sluice
neither is 'better'
Mountain Thane is arguably easier, and more 'tanky' with better sustain
Colossus does hella fucking dmg, but is squishier with a bit less sustain
tender reef
Can we talk collosus and thunder build hero talents pls
Check my logs the 8 is dmg the 9 is defense
tender reef
most people play mountain thane
Most children
merry sluice
Most children <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
mountain thane betas
heavy sparrow
I initially was playing collosus cause the revenge and damage reduction proc but wowheqd and icy vains are like lol mountain thane metq
Meta
merry sluice
🐼
jagged pier
Play thane in pugs because i dont trust healers in pugs
Colossus in guild groups
Died twice in NW yestersay to the healer no healing me once for ovee 5 seconds
In big pulls
When im out of cds
And slowly ticking dwon already
But nah not gunna heal the tank
5 stacks of tenderize hurts, stupid weekly affix
merry sluice
But nah not gunna heal the tank
dw.
im getting all the healing instead on my bdk rocking 70% overheal from fotm shammys
see's me drop for a fucking picosecond
"SPAM HEALING SURGE"
icy flax
Is picosecond a thing
fresh merlin
Play thane in pugs because i dont trust healers in pugs
Does thane have better sustain? I’m just picking up prot cause I’m tired of dps queue
icy flax
More tanky more rage to spend on ignore pain
nimble grail
5 stacks of tenderize hurts, stupid weekly affix
You can kite tenderize to reset it
tender reef
jagged pier
Does thane have better sustain? I’m just picking up prot cause I’m tired of dps ...
Yes
tender reef
Check this
jagged pier
You can kite tenderize to reset it
Yes thankyou for the information ive know since SLs
tender reef
Tank does everything right mage stops in the good and dies
They all blame tank
Lol
tender reef
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGd1EXYfF/
@icy flax that's how my keys played out , yesterday lmao
jagged pier
Yes tanks blamed for everything
Over % because dps but pull
Tanks fault
Wipe because dps dont cc
Tanks fault
tender reef
He even made a TikTok shitting on tank because he premade with the regarded mage
tender reef
Lmao tru
jagged pier
Somehow tanks fault
jagged pier
Tru
unkempt hazel
jagged pier
Tru my bad
jagged pier
Like even on that boss ive been blamed for moving the boss
Because and i quote
'I have to stand still to dps'
unkempt hazel
💀
jagged pier
Buddeh do u know how the boss works?
jagged pier
violet ginkgo
Tanks fault
last night me at LFR as pwar. Some dude pull early at kyveza leaving the other tank trapped outside, I reset the boss everybody be "kick the tank who reset"
unkempt hazel
last night me at LFR as pwar. Some dude pull early at kyveza leaving the other t...
reminds me of aberrus lfr
nimble grail
Yes thankyou for the information ive know since SLs
Glad to know, no need for condescencion 🙂
tender reef
Or when you pull the first pack run to the next and bros already pulling CDs 🙈🙈
polar bridge
6 runs before the affix got nerf back to normal
ivory vault
@icy flax
manic bane
morning warriors, what embelish should i go for focusing on m+ please ?
manic bane
are we not crafting an embelished weapon ?
jagged pier
are we not crafting an embelished weapon ?
Nope
manic bane
thank you @jagged pier ! have a good day, and everyone !
icy flax
Your pfp is incredible
jagged pier
Just note emblishments do like jack all so u can kinda make what you like. But ascension drops a lot in mythic plus and takes time to build again so having perma stat just better in general
icy flax
What A beast
manic bane
right, i guess no weapon embelishment is good enough to go for it in m+ rather have stats
can i double vesra lining ?
jagged pier
Yes
pallid quiver
Yeah, but it might bug on first equip
shy frost
Anyone that has experience with logs that can have a quick look at this with pointers? ❤️ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tx9Wb4QAYBJGaP2h#fight=last&type=summary
manic bane
alright thanks again everyone
jagged pier
Anyone that has experience with logs that can have a quick look at this with poi...
U need to be pressing way more buttons
Like way more
pallid quiver
Anyone that has experience with logs that can have a quick look at this with poi...
You're getting clapped in the back a non-zero amount of times
before we even get to pressing more buttons
jagged pier
Your tc and tb casts are half of what they should be
And track block
Your blocked hits are low
sweet summit
i don't have embellishments yet 
icy flax
Always be casting
shy frost
You're getting clapped in the back a non-zero amount of times
how do you read this? where?
pallid quiver
I think it was like 10% of hits with SB up were unblocked
Damage Taken, hits column for abilities
shy frost
I am pressing like a mad man, cannot see how I can do more :p
pallid quiver
If you hover over it, it shows the breakdown
jagged pier
U arent pressing like a madman
jagged pier
Yer but your not generating any
icy flax
Is he not pressing ss
icy flax
I don't know how to read logs esp on mobile
jagged pier
So hes missing a tone of rage gen
winter badge
I have a hero track locket of broken barbute, and I also just got a "emergency stop keychain". All the sites say its my bis. but when I sim its a 0.2% loss. Should I take use it anyways for the secondary haste mastery over crit haste
icy flax
shy frost
I focus on shield slam over tb. Should it be otherwise?
jagged pier
No
shy frost
CLAP THAT THING
icy flax
TB is beeg
pallid quiver
I am pressing like a mad man, cannot see how I can do more :p
As an example, I'm not even among the better or good warriors, and I generally get over 70 CPM minimum in M+
icy flax
You ss even if you have a TB to press??
pallid quiver
You ss even if you have a TB to press??
Unless you're outbursting TB or have 2 stacks
icy flax
I didn't know ss proccing it could get you to 2 stacks
jagged pier
Honestly u send it on ss mostly for rage anyways
reef hazel
If you've 2 stacks ss & 2 stacks 2tb?
shy frost
Gotcha. my CPM is 61. Should be >70 ?
pallid quiver
TB's not too far behind it in rage anymore, so it's nice to send unless you're in mega bad time zone
icy flax
Outburst TB is one of the best button presses of the expansion
He's prob playing with fdks who have already killed the pack
jagged pier
If you've 2 stacks ss & 2 stacks 2tb?
U tb then ss if ss gives u another tb u tb again if not u ss
reef hazel
Thanks
pallid quiver
Yeah, you won't be in situations where you're sending outburst on TB often, anyhow, and it's not like sending it in AOE is bad, either
jagged pier
No but rage gen is rage gen and thats what we are about
icy flax
I gotta gear the pwar man
jagged pier
Anyway guy that posted logs u can look at mine ir nomes or sense and compare youll see a huge differencr
In the office so cant do it for u
icy flax
I need to log keys and see my apm
zealous goblet
hey does anyone know if your abilities actively update when you get stat boosts? if i throw a ravager down THEN pressed say avatar, would it update to deal increased damage?
shy frost
Anyway guy that posted logs u can look at mine ir nomes or sense and compare you...
Thanks mate. whats your name on logs? I will do the compare.
shy frost
Thanks for feedback gents. You rock!
zealous goblet
cheers
icy flax
Thanks for feedback gents. You rock!
Beast
pallid quiver
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/jakeyplops
That should be Jakey iirc
jagged pier
Thanks mate. whats your name on logs? I will do the compare.
Jakeyplops, nomeratur, sense.
shy frost
Booya. Thanks!
jagged pier
Have a look at talents i run colossus as well
shy frost
oh dang. how is that working out vs thane?
pallid quiver
It does more damage, but survives not as good
It has less in built DR, and you get less rage to cycle
pallid quiver
Actually, Jakey, do you know off the top of your head if you get the increased crit damage from spear if a boss or something that can't be tethered walks out of the AOE? I know the change works for if the enemies are in spear, so I wager they walk out, no more damage, but I've never actually checked how it works
jagged pier
Im oretty sure they do its just if they in the spear when it lands
I dont really pay attention
Just send spear and dps
pallid quiver
I haven't either
It just kinda came into my head today while swinging
people kept dying around me so i just started thinkin'
and then i realized that i didn't know
sweet summit
it's a debuff on the enemy no? it's not like dnd or
pallid quiver
i've
never checked, i just press buttons
icy flax
I've seen a debuff on normal mobs
round cliff
if i try to ONLY execute when >70 rage AND not neglect spenders AND not overcap i feel like im almost never getting to press execute
cuz its like "im at 80 rage with spenders off cd, i need to press ignore pain"
"whoops now im at 60 rage i guess im pressing revenge"
what do
round cliff
i thought the robot said only at 70+
icy flax
Why wouldn't you hit it at 60 in that context
pallid quiver
I unno what sims are going for, but
pallid quiver
If you hit execute at 60,
icy flax
Fam just hit buttons
pallid quiver
You still have 20 rage to press a second execute or revenge
round cliff
in my head anything above 60 makes sense cuz u can revenge after if no reset
wait is revenge or 20 rage execute better
pallid quiver
and you'd press execute at 20 rage instead of revenge since it does more damage
round cliff
then why tf am i worried about revenge... no comprendo
pallid quiver
Execute damage scales with the rage you spend on it, so
round cliff
either i was lied to or the robot knows smth i dont
pallid quiver
If you achieve those, you're fine
i mean, we sim a lot for damage
It's the only sims we do
I don't know what the APL looks like, but you can spitball what Nome and the like are doing off their casts in logs
round cliff
probably avoidable situation but
what do i do if the boss autos my ignore pain away before a tank buster and my defensives are on cd from other tank busters
icy flax
Hit button
round cliff
do i just accept taking 50%
and heal it after
or do i need to bank rage
for IP before buster
pallid quiver
You've likely made grave mistakes if that's the case with every encounter I can think of off the top of my head
Shield Wall's on like a 50s CD now
round cliff
it happened on the duo in stonevault
pallid quiver
SR is still only 20s
icy flax
That ability isn't real
pallid quiver
Spell Block lasts 30 seconds
icy flax
That killed u? U doin 12s?
round cliff
isnt the hit physical
round cliff
ur right it is fire damage
icy flax
Lfg me
round cliff
1st boss chunked me once in the same situation tho and thats SURELY physical
IP dropped, no defensives, chunked
icy flax
Yes but then did your healer know the mechanics
icy flax
I don't want to type a paragraph
pallid quiver
Seismic Smash is, in fact, physical, but the healer gives you a 50% DR
icy flax
U do it
pallid quiver
They dispell you right before the tank buster goes off
So, theoretically, you only need to worry about not getting mega clapped by the first smash
And then manage the dot after, which isn't particularly bad
round cliff
didnt even know the fight had a dot gg
can u tell im a good tank
the extent of my situational awareness is leaping away when i start taking 400% more dmg from ignoring stacking debuffs
broken beacon
hello ppl . i checked some prot warrs and seems they are shifiting to use colossus but i wonder is is it wise to pick it in pug keys and around +8 to +10? or its better to stick to thane?
graceful kite
die, type "this class is dogshit", send it
jagged pier
hello ppl . i checked some prot warrs and seems they are shifiting to use coloss...
U can olay what u like at those key lvls nothing genrally hurts
If your pugging tho i would stay thane honestly
The bad players are even getting to 10s now so its a shambles
pallid quiver
i'm too bad to even time 9s
jagged pier
I mean your are better than a lot of ppl i queued with yestersay
Me constantly asking why im told damage on the affix
pallid quiver
how positive are you, since i spent 3 hours wiping against hero ansurek today
smh, jakey has too much faith in me
pallid quiver
Semi-related note, it's hilarious seeing liquefy do literally nothing because you crit blocked with spell block up
so you take like, 4-5% HP at best
teal laurel
Off the top of head, does anyone have a good tank pov of heroic ansurek where the content creator actually illustrates what he's doing?
pallid quiver
You mean walks you through everything they're hitting/pressing?
Because if so, can't say so, but Sense has a video up
The fight is mostly determined by the DPS/Heals to be completely honest
teal laurel
Uh I guess? I get wicked impostor syndrome when we do heroic ansurek and I just like the sanity check LOL
We have such a weird conflict in the comms during that raid because half the raid wants the boss moved A LOT and half of them want the boss moved minimally during liquify
graceful kite
fight is a joke on a tank
pallid quiver
Realistically, you just need enough space for mechs to be done
graceful kite
just move her away after green puddles spawn
pallid quiver
Some people think that means moving her 150 yards away
teal laurel
just move her away after green puddles spawn
Enough room so people can bait pools behind her then that's basically it yea?
jagged pier
Off the top of head, does anyone have a good tank pov of heroic ansurek where th...
I mean sense might have it, he wont explain it tho
graceful kite
Enough room so people can bait pools behind her then that's basically it yea?
we didn't bait even
just moved if green was around
pallid quiver
The more notable thing is the web puddles, since those grow
pallid quiver
And froth puddles come right after the webs after all but one cast of roots iirc
graceful kite
don't go inside nova when webs are spawning
teal laurel
I guess it's just me being weird because I often feel like if I positioned better people would die less to pools but I'm kinda aware alot of that is people just derping lol
pallid quiver
don't go inside nova when webs are spawning
do it anyway, find the one safe spot and tell everyone else to git gud
pallid quiver
I guess it's just me being weird because I often feel like if I positioned bette...
Even if they're both positioned like ass, there's nothing stopping people from adjusting. They just refuse to adjust and will likely make an excuse for it.
just like me when I died from intervening someone during pull phase in intermission, and it jerked me into a slime wave
I'm still mad
teal laurel
lmao
Yeah I know but it's hard to shake the "I'm driving the bus so if it crashes it's my fault" feel tanking gives me
(watches as DPS break the windows and jump out)
pallid quiver
You should change that mentality around for raid
The DPS and Heals are driving the bus.
round cliff
ive only intervened someone once
pallid quiver
You're just along for the ride as long as you press defensives and taunt.
round cliff
am i supposed to be being a good person
pallid quiver
It keeps your damage up on Ansurek intermission
Because you can stay in longer
You do that when leap is on CD, since you can leap right after pull goes off to cancel the pull
So you can stay in melee 100% of the time
teal laurel
It's kinda interesting tho because we'll typically 1 shot all the way to queen on heroic (maybe the odd silken mishap) but then she stonewalls us. Cant even get her past intermission xD
pallid quiver
You can definitely use it on a melee you have around if they're not forcibly sacrificing uptime and staying 75 yards away,
since it's just oGCD and doesn't move you if they're close enough
pallid quiver
It's kinda interesting tho because we'll typically 1 shot all the way to queen o...
She is at least harder than 1st 3 on Mythic, so there's that
teal laurel
Filling a mythic roster is a challenge for us otherwise we'd probably hit up bosses 1-3 on mythic first
sharp gale
Filling a mythic roster is a challenge for us otherwise we'd probably hit up bos...
Pugs kill the first 2-3