protection

[strong forum]

but aim to replace it ASAP

[tribal wharf]

it iis, but it is a shield

[hoary crystal]

thanks guys

[tribal wharf]

its like if you wanted to drive to work and all you have is a bike, it'll do but u really wouldnt wanna i bet

[echo egret]

I haven't cleared heroic raid yet.
Which trinket would be the best ?

[frosty wraith]

hey guys, learning prot warrior after playing fury for a long time, am i supposed to be in defensive stance all the time in m+?

[strong forum]

the first one

[tribal wharf]

basically yes skeald

[strong forum]

essentially yes

[frosty wraith]

oh that explains why i was getting smacked

[echo egret]

👍

[slim helm]

Yo guys, gals, and everyone else
How big is this shield for prot:

[lusty grotto]

#protection message a couple of lines above

[vernal marten]

I find it hard to pick between the two rings... one is very rare but i see nobody use it (seal of the poisoned pact) tho its on the bis list. The other one is mythic track and everyone uses it.. what to do here?

[lusty grotto]

scroll up

[slim helm]

oh, kek

[tribal wharf]

defensive stance with fttf = 22% passive dr vs magic

i dunno if you know statistics

but 22% is big %

[lusty grotto]

thats not statistics

its just "stats"

[strong forum]

terrible

[lusty grotto]

statistics is a whole nother thing yogi lol

[tribal wharf]

equip anything higher or same ilvl

[strong forum]

pick the seal of poisoned pact

[tribal wharf]

keep it as a meme shield

[strong forum]

that ring is turbo bis

[tribal wharf]

i took the gold green haste versa ring

i think its from nw

[vernal marten]

Allright, at first i tought so aswell but the other one i see everyone use. not many prot on raider.io have the seal equiped

[lofty veldt]

guys i was checking one of my logs and i did a MASSIVE bad

https://i.imgur.com/ajQyyUB.png

[strong forum]

damn your poor health

[tribal wharf]

could be far worse

[lofty veldt]

[west onyx]

What is the haste target for protection?

[tribal wharf]

still, its not good as you said

[strong forum]

as high as possible

[lofty veldt]

btw if you're gonna make a checklist of stuff to check in logs

1: blocked hit%
2: numbers of casts for cds maybe?

anything else 👀

[lusty grotto]

apm

[tribal wharf]

casts per minute in general

[lusty grotto]

and rage use

[tribal wharf]

not wastin rage

[lofty veldt]

oh yeah

[tribal wharf]

ie, have 98 rage, hit shield slam

you just lost 12 + rage

[lofty veldt]

https://i.imgur.com/m9UYj6o.png

[lusty grotto]

hehe

dont be sad

youve identified what you need to fix

thats a big step

[tribal wharf]

yup, and its just a game afterall

[lofty veldt]

true

i love improving

im looking at someone's log and they had a cpm of 72

and mine is 57 in the same dungeon

also they use intervene a lot

[lusty grotto]

well i mean

SS APM you should compare

[graceful kite]

does ravager not cdr with new affix?

[lusty grotto]

you should have 15+

[soft tusk]

doesn't appear to be.

[lofty veldt]

oh okay

let me look at that then

wow the difference is scary

im' at 9.9 and they're at 12.3

[lusty grotto]

if ravager isnt cdr'ing thats kind of a bug

report!

yeah both are low

[soft tusk]

Tempted to buy it.. it goes with my T3 set

[lusty grotto]

just get the 2-3 that show in SL

and save your tender

[soft tusk]

same color?

[lusty grotto]

idk i have a golden one

[slim helm]

I have equipped right now

[soft tusk]

@lusty grotto can u tier/catalyze crafted gear?

[faint swift]

thoughts neck or the legs

[hidden rock]

Neck harder to get/ more competition. Tier is easy.

[plush tendon]

does the neck beat out a crafted 636 neck?

if not, taking myth track tier makes a lot of sense as it finishes that slot for you

heck, those boots are crit/haste also

[hidden rock]

I would assume so. I can't remember the uptime I had on mine during keys but it was pretty good iirc.

Not sure how to track the mana gain though. Would like to see the stats on it.

[grizzled orbit]

what wa are u guys using? luxthos is to wide and afenar to much

[plush tendon]

I use Afenar

can also make your own

Quazzi also has a weakaura package

or just peruse Wago

[lusty grotto]

no

[frosty wraith]

why is this talent not usually picked? as a learning prot warrior, it has saved me quite a few times haha

[mighty valley]

points at that part of the tree are at a premium so you have to drop something meaningful to get it

and as a mitigation tank, prot warrior played well doesn't expect to go low

[tulip remnant]

You also just stop taking damage at a certain point.

[mighty valley]

but it can certainly save you from mistakes! it's just lowering your overall power in order to buy a safety net

[frosty wraith]

hmm I see

[coarse fog]

Yeah just depends on what your comfy playing if you’re learning use it if not put it back into ravager 😂

[tulip remnant]

If you’re still working on maintaining Shield Block uptime, how the flow of the class works. Great Fallback

[frosty wraith]

thanks for the advices, really appreciated

[tulip remnant]

Ravager do feel fantastic as prot tho. Didn’t think I’d like it

[muted spire]

How much haste do I need before I can swap to Into the Fray?

[sweet summit]

too much

[oak ivy]

Anybody been rando globaled by any of the packs in CoT? My group was keeping them stunned but they eventually got out and all ~8 of the melee duded whacked me at once in a 9 🪦

ded thru shield block, ip, & bsv

[sweet summit]

logs?

[oak ivy]

dont have, it was a while ago n we didnt log anyway

[sweet summit]

details death log?

[oak ivy]

1.9M Melee x8 all at 0.1s

i mightve had stacks of the phys damage debuff idk

[sweet summit]

you got stunned too?

[oak ivy]

nope

[tulip remnant]

Any behind you?

[oak ivy]

negative

[toxic pewter]

prob got hit by some caster bolts

[sweet summit]

through shield block? no way

[tulip remnant]

Are you at like…a decent i lvl?

[plush tendon]

hard to tell what the issue is then

without a log

[graceful kite]

after 2nd boss?

[oak ivy]

yeah idunno where it came from, i was doin totally fine, had IP full stacked, shield block up, bsv talented, and i just fuckin exploded in an instant

[graceful kite]

I pull first 2 packs separately

[oak ivy]

612 at the time

[graceful kite]

small bug dudes

they just sync melee you

[oak ivy]

oh yeah i do two doubles there, shits sketch

but my group has a good bit of cc so i can dip to clear stacks

[sweet summit]

what are the small things called

conscript?

[oak ivy]

sounds right

[sweet summit]

they do not hit that hard through block or?

[oak ivy]

can't check mdt or anything im on mobile only due to hurricane so

[graceful kite]

I got oneshot by them once

no idea why block was up

1m+ melee each

[oak ivy]

ok so this is a thing

[sweet summit]

i have never experienced that

and i refuse to believe it without logs!!!

[oak ivy]

uhhhhh.. shot in the dark but lemme look

yeh nope i dont have a log for that one unfortunately

[sweet summit]

[oak ivy]

been a while since i checked super detailed damage taken logs, what's A B U M meanings

[sweet summit]

Absorbed Blocked Unmitigated Mitigated

[oak ivy]

Ahhhh gotcha ty

They just like to do shit like this

[sweet summit]

that's jus 1 mill damage

but i guess with like 7 bajillion mobs that does a bit more

[oak ivy]

oh yeah but look at timing, if mitigation wasnt rolling properly, bad things

[sweet summit]

yeah

[oak ivy]

thats about the best i can offer in place of a "this is why i died to that" log cuz i dont have one unfort

[sweet summit]

yeah, my guess is still on shield block downtime

[oak ivy]

Fair enuf

[jagged gust]

I've never seen that many mobs hit simultaneously like that, like it's down to a thousandth of a second

[indigo scaffold]

is it just me or CoT is fking cancer with tyrannical + current affix

[sweet summit]

current affix is just so bad

[indigo scaffold]

like wtf

that shield

[sweet summit]

and terrible and horrible and not good and so on and so forth

literally unplayable

[jagged gust]

I can't not think of CoT as caverns of time

[lusty grotto]

same

but yeah affixes have been getting worse each week

[sweet summit]

going to do unspeakable things for blizzard to fix this asap

[lusty grotto]

i just insta send mandate on the dumb herald

and execute

but its such a dogshit affix

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-love-this-affix-“voidbound”/1975405 LMAOOO

grade A shitpost

[earnest nymph]

did you have a bunch of stacks from the little shits?

[indigo scaffold]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/xalataths-bargain-voidbound-mythic-affix-buffed-347390

and they even buffed it

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[earnest nymph]

20 to 50% CD rate is not insignificant though

[lusty grotto]

the reward is great (except it doesnt work on ravager apparently) but its just kinda doggy with the DR

[sweet summit]

if the buff was 100% crit and 100% haste it would be fine

👍

[earnest nymph]

I'm gonna have to stretch my hand before trying this out

pwar already makes my hand cramp ffs

[sweet summit]

nah it's so fake i swear

[earnest nymph]

even with the buff to 50% CD rate?

[indigo scaffold]

yeah

it feels so shitty

[sweet summit]

the 50% cdr is fake i mean

placebo buff

fr

[earnest nymph]

oh like it's just not working

ohhhh nvm I see what nim was saying above

on the same page now

dogwater

[gloomy flax]

hey im new here so please point me in the right direction, im thinking of trying out colossus in m+ but im not entirely sure what the main difference is rotationally from mthane, do i still just play the same and pop demolish when optimal?

[jagged gust]

revenge replaces TC in the rotation

demolish when above 3 stacks of might

[gloomy flax]

okay, so i just skip tc entirely? gotcha, any other pointers to play around?

[jagged gust]

nah, still need TC

to apply rend and when you're rage starved

[gloomy flax]

sorry if the questions are basic, still figuring this stuff out

okay so keep bleeds up and when im out of rage, gotit

[jagged gust]

It's just revenge has a higher priority than TC (Except when needing to apply rend)

yeah exactly

[sweet summit]

don't rage starve yourself too hard

[earnest nymph]

just to confirm, sorry, were you saying the affix CDR has DR with CDR from other sources?

[lusty grotto]

no

DR on mobs

[earnest nymph]

ohhhh

I'm dumb

disregard me

ty for explaining

[earnest nymph]

so what did you mean by this then?

[indigo scaffold]

its like the CDR is canceled out by the fact it takes so long to kill everything

[earnest nymph]

ahhh I see

[gloomy flax]

1 more stupid questions and i think im done... although it might be really dumb:

right now i have the whole ignorepain/shieldslam macro as my primary shield slam button that i spam, im guessing that isn't right, but i have a bad tendency to forget to save rage for IP

[earnest nymph]

haven't logged in yet to see

[strong forum]

exactly

[earnest nymph]

ty

[sweet summit]

it's not noticeable enough to be the reward from such a disgusting creature

[indigo scaffold]

unlike in 1st and 2nd week just have to do a tiny thing and you get the buff

[sweet summit]

shield slam in ip
not ip in shield slam

[jagged gust]

This macro is meant to snipe SS resets when naturally spamming IP, not to be used as your main SS button

[sweet summit]

does that make sense?

[jagged gust]

Also there's no "saving rage for IP", you just press IP when you have high rage in order to not cap

[gloomy flax]

kind of, so when the ss proc happens is when i ip? or do i have ip on a separate bind as well

[strong forum]

nah just keep it as you IP bind

its explained on wowhead

[gloomy flax]

its all kind of weird for me atm, feel like not having max ip is just asking to get slapped

[sweet summit]

shield block is your mitigation tool

IP mainly is a rage spender to avoid overcapping

understanding this is crucial for the spec

[gloomy flax]

aight, gotcha, again, sorry for the questions i just find it easier when some does a little ELI5 for me :/

[sweet summit]

no worries

[jagged gust]

As colon war you will naturally have lower IP usage than MT as well

[gloomy flax]

that would explain the whole IP negates more talent in the hero tree i guess 😛

[jagged gust]

Maybe the devs do have a braincell after all

[gloomy flax]

oh and do we sacrifice a point in the class tree for wrecking throw for this affix? it is seriously pissing me off

[jagged gust]

nope

[sweet summit]

yeah it's kinda good

[wise zealot]

I'm setting up some intense WA logic and checked through the APL and hadn't really found what I'm looking for:

What's the maximum amount of seconds I can hold champion's spear for Avatar to come off CD?

[indigo scaffold]

[sweet summit]

the answer is it kinda depends. losing a cast is worse than not using it with avatar so generally just cooldowns on cooldown

[oak ivy]

I would imagine so yeah, might've also dropped shield block in conjunction

[wise zealot]

the answer I'm looking for would never be long enough to lose a cast, but foolish enough to not hold for x single digit seconds

I'm just trying to find APL information on what those x single digit seconds are

[strong forum]

you spend more time inside avatar than outside

you dont hold shit

[wise zealot]

that was slightly less of a quantifiable answer I was expecting, but thanks nonetheless

[indigo scaffold]

i also tried shattering throw in a key it does jack shit to the emissary

[sweet summit]

shattering does not work
wrecking does

[fervent dune]

what talent can i drop for cheat death? ravager? im getting into the 8-9 range with 599ilvl and i want the extra safety

[indigo scaffold]

wrecking does how much?

[sweet summit]

idk like 400k or something (i made that up)

[indigo scaffold]

[potent tree]

Go get ilv

[sweet summit]

i refuse to play more real keys so you test for me thanks :3

[fervent dune]

answer the question

[indigo scaffold]

my key dropped 4 lvls alr from a +11

i think im done for today

[sweet summit]

if you really really want it you drop champ bulwark and shield charge for bsv and bolster i think?

[plush tendon]

or, you can just get more I level

get back in those delves

[fervent dune]

int queueing really exists in every game huh?

[plush tendon]

[fervent dune]

i cba doing the weekly quests for coffer keys

[indigo scaffold]

do some level 1s and you should be good for it no?

[potent tree]

If u use the search function u will find out many answers to that question

[inner wren]

this affix is ass

[jagged gust]

I cant tell if your pfp is a taco, a loaf of bread or an oddly shaped pineapple

[inner wren]

yes

[potent tree]

Maybe that is what he was going for

[graceful kite]

DR on nw third boss

le based

affix is trash

[fervent dune]

you already took the time to respond to me no? couldnt you have just said yes or no to my question? or is your ego in the way?

[shrewd plinth]

I mean he’s not wrong; if you’re legit leaning on cheat death you may have bigger problems no?

[potent tree]

Ego about what? lol

[lusty grotto]

its not even a cheat death lol

you can still die with it

[shrewd plinth]

Try to use shield wall when you think you’d like the cheat to proc, just hope that ends up being enough to pull through

[lusty grotto]

Anita open the talents in Wowhead

[potent tree]

I literally just gave u the best option. U are 599. Getting ilv is easy. U should worry about getting items more than swapping talents

[lusty grotto]

then scroll down

and click immortal wheelchair

[fervent dune]

ty

bro

i appreciate it

[neon elk]

Damn what a name

[fervent dune]

kisses on your eyes

[strong forum]

that name exists cuz its true

[neon elk]

Love it ngl

[strong forum]

literally overkill tanky

[kind kite]

Guys, i need help choosing vault item. Should I choose 623 ilvl ring crit - mastery or 619 ilvl shield ?

[strong forum]

ring

[lusty grotto]

i love guayabas

[strong forum]

cuz myth

[kind kite]

Oh, ty ❤️

[lusty grotto]

my parents always bring me when they visit

[kind kite]

best fruit ever 😛

[lusty grotto]

yeaa

[raven knoll]

did you guys open vault as prot? i read pin. i have a crafted shield. but only 619. so technically biggest upgrade would be sword and shield for me right. if everything else is around 610.

[strong forum]

you can upgrade crafted shield to 636 with gilded crest

[raven knoll]

so i dont loott as prot?

[strong forum]

as fury or arms then ye

[raven knoll]

copy that thanks. and since i need 1 hand weapon it will be fury

[strong forum]

[raven knoll]

okey im gonna cry. got nothing besides high itemlvl 2h weapon xdd

[strong forum]

that still unlocks free crest upgrades for 1h and shield

so its something

[raven knoll]

how does that work?

[strong forum]

you equip the 2h as arms which then "unlocks" crest free upgrading until that weapons ilvl

so if you get a 623 you can upgrade weapons until 623 for free

[heavy sparrow]

Which is stat priority?
Haste or strength?

[strong forum]

itemlevel

[heavy sparrow]

Item level
Haste
Vers = Crit
Mastery

At what point is strength better than these?

[jagged gust]

str is ilvl

[heavy sparrow]

ie a haste trinket vs a strength trinket passive

[raven knoll]

can i link my vault rlly quick? cause i have another item trinket that might be good on 623 and the weapon would be 619 twohand. so im not sure what to take. or should i sim myself (does that even work for a tank) ?

[jagged gust]

I mean that's up to the sims to decide

[quick crescent]

Sorry if this has been asked, but has anyone done the mage tower challenge recently? I swear the scaling is off because the amount of damage I’m doing is pitiful

[jagged gust]

mage tower in DF took me about as long as a Raszageth fight

[inner wren]

aight im only inviting ww monks to my dungeons until this affix gets dumped on

[quick crescent]

@jagged gust is that short or long lol

[jagged gust]

lets put it this way, that fight had more than 1 cast of bloodlust

[jagged pier]

tried it in pre patch i suspect scaling should be okay now

but can check this weekend

[quick crescent]

@jagged gust well fuck me, guess I’m in for a long ride

[vestal moat]

Collosus buffed on the ptr hmm

[inner wren]

Colossus full time boys

[jagged gust]

I love how they just randomly decide to kick fury in the ribs in those patch notes

Those boys are losing their minds above us

[plush tendon]

they should play arms

the superior spec

[jagged gust]

Lying to yourself isn't healthy

S2 DF arms was a refined, gentleman's spec

Right now it's like playing a xylophone with half the bars broken

[vale karma]

any tips for first boss of mists? -_- I can't seem to be able to kill it, bricked two 10s and a 9 on it already

it seems so easy but it's just not dying 😄

[jagged gust]

affix is gonna make it feel awful, but aside from prio'ing the big caster dude there's not much you can do as a tank

or in general

[neon elk]

Did they revert the buffs to it after like 1-2h or what?

[jagged gust]

lmfao

yes they did, 6 minutes ago

[inner wren]

Thank god

But also of course I ran it while the affix was buffed

[heavy sparrow]

Where/how can I sim?

[jagged gust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[timber viper]

would you guys use swarmlords over queens mandate?

[jagged pier]

no

[dim girder]

I know every single guide says, go for HASTE CRIT, but doesnt Versatiliy always feel better? Can someone convince me on the crit

[mighty valley]

the guides say they're roughly equivalent

but big numbers are cool, parry is big, and we have crit synergies in various places in our talents

[jagged gust]

and crit is more damage

[raven knoll]

how do you guys sim for prot m+?

[jagged gust]

wdym? Like target count and buffs?

[raven knoll]

i never simmed before. is simming tank even worth it?

[jagged gust]

absolutely, your DPS matters as much as anyone elses

[lusty grotto]

dps = threat

[raven knoll]

okey so if i have vault and didnt pick item. i could sim myself and find out what item would be best?

[jagged gust]

yep, simc can see your vault

so open your vault and run it and you can sim your choices from there

[raven knoll]

since i have skarmorak shard and oppressive orators trinket in tthe vault and im unsure if they would be better then picking a 619 weapon. since i could just craft weapon but cant craft trinket

[raven knoll]

how does this work just download simc?

[jagged gust]

need the simulationcraft addon yes

raidbots should have a small tutorial, and I think icyveins does a great writeup on simming

[normal tide]

Sry quick question, anyone know if shattering throw deals with xal'atath bargain voidbound in M+?

[lusty grotto]

no

voidbound doesnt have an immunity

[raven knoll]

perfect thanks. and do you know what values i put into there for m+? like isnt there ST fight and aoe? or can i select somewhere just m+?

[jagged gust]

So far I have read today Shattering throw is bugged and doesn't work, but wreck is fine. The exact opposite of that statement. It's not worth taking the talent, and it's absolutely worth it.

[lusty grotto]

its a shield

[normal tide]

ah thanks

[lusty grotto]

so if your question is if it breaks its shield, it doesnt

[normal tide]

yeh thats what i was after 😛

[lusty grotto]

only damage does, wrecking is more useful but hard to pick

[jagged gust]

It changes from spec to spec, generally 1target 5mins and 5 target 1.5mins to get a feel for ST and aoe

But prio damage is important enough that generally whatever sims for 1tar is quite often the right choice

it will very slightly change your stats and often your trinkets between ST and AOE, but the stats are usually such a small difference and trinkets are very much a "listen to your elders" sort of thing

[raven knoll]

okey copy thanks

[neat parrot]

im literally curious how that talent tree look but i cant find it in wow head lmao

[lusty grotto]

pick either one

scroll down

and there's a drop down

[neat parrot]

lmao didnt even knew about this

thanks

[tribal wharf]

is there counter play for ninja pulls

boss

healer needed mana, so we didnt survive the fight

[lusty grotto]

what boss

[tribal wharf]

was on skarmorak

paladin apparently mouse overed it

[lusty grotto]

i mean taunt and run out and reset it

[tribal wharf]

saw somethin go flying in that direction, was typing to healer who needed mana

[raw magnet]

does spell block also remove tentacles on the last boss for grim batol? haven't tried it myself i know SR can remove 1.

[lusty grotto]

no

[jagged gust]

it do

[lusty grotto]

SR can remove more than 1

[jagged gust]

oh fuck I read that as SR

[tribal wharf]

would be nice to be able to restart any boss less than 30 seconds in

[lusty grotto]

SR removes all while its up on you

spell block doesnt remove them

[tribal wharf]

go to the door and it restarts him

[raw magnet]

oh rly, nice i just assumed 1 thanks for info

[tribal wharf]

or a pause button (pauses everything in game)

3 times

[lusty grotto]

there is such a thing

you taunt

and run out of the room

just like most bosses

a pause button would be absolutely prone to harassment via bad actors, especially in WoW

[tribal wharf]

maybe, thats why the amount of times it can be hit in a key is low

for 60 seconds

up to

[lusty grotto]

nah

bad take

you clearly havent played mobas

pause is a thing there, ask what ragers do

[blazing condor]

rage

[lusty grotto]

sure and spam pauses

[dawn geode]

pause would be absolutely terrible

[violet ginkgo]

So there is another changes to PTR for dps war. I am not sure if we are supposed to be happy being invisible or should we be sad.

[dark cosmos]

pause in pve wow would cause almost no problems (outside of technically implementing it)

the only problems it causes in moba is when used offensively and in pve thats literally not at hing

[lusty grotto]

i dont know what game you play in then

[dark cosmos]

dota, lol, hon

[lusty grotto]

must not pug much

[dark cosmos]

you name it

[lusty grotto]

im talking WoW

[dark cosmos]

i pug tons in both of those things

i have pugged over 70 keys this season so far i think lol

[lusty grotto]

well you clearly dont understand the common WoW player mentality

[lapis wedge]

Can someone of the prot warrys help me with a question?

[dark cosmos]

its just so easily solveable through policy though, havent you played dota? pause isnt that big a problem. People on your team can simply unpause, and you cant pause an unlimited amount of times

[lusty grotto]

right

[dark cosmos]

really the only way you can use it is "hey i need to go answer the door" and only if your team doesnt BM unpause you and just tell you to go f yourself

[lusty grotto]

but what will likely happen

is somoene pauses

and its insta unpaused, cause people are impatient

[dark cosmos]

ok so they throw the game and sink the key, nothing new

how is this worse than now?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter if youre restricted to 3 pauses or pauses x amount of time

[tribal wharf]

then the solution must be at least 4 of the 5 players in the key must hit yes to unpause

and the screen goes from b/w to color

[dark cosmos]

ya, again this is easily solveable through policy

[tribal wharf]

and it like plays a sou nd

[dark cosmos]

And will have a countdown to unpause etc

[tribal wharf]

cuz your not at screen to see it got unpaused

3 times as a team

not 3 times per person per key

like battle rez charges almost

[dark cosmos]

my real concern would just be that now every team is pausing to strategize and it takes away from "on the fly" thinking

[lusty grotto]

would work as well as vote kicking

except more than once

[dark cosmos]

which isnt good or bad just a thing to be mindful of

[tribal wharf]

you could only do it out of combat

i would say

[dark cosmos]

even then same thing but ya makes sense

[lusty grotto]

sorry i just dont agree

[dark cosmos]

im not against that anyway it just would be a change

[tribal wharf]

keystones are a house of cards

one wrong wind

whole thing comes down

[lapis wedge]

Im 2nd tank in our raid and our other tank is tanking the boss atm. If i go above 100%, do i instantly get the aggro back?

[tribal wharf]

many knowledge checks have to pass, and without voice, harder to quickly convey message

[lusty grotto]

150%

or 125%

idk

one of those 2

[dark cosmos]

Ya you need >100%, because the game wants to prevent the boss from thrashing back and forth between two people

[lapis wedge]

So i keep 125% as vague point

Because we have some aggro problems with bosses when i use some cd's like demolish

[violet ginkgo]

or you can ask your co-tank to farm gear harder so you don't have to worry taking aggro.

[lusty grotto]

likely hes not playing correctly

[lapis wedge]

Hes 10 GS above me^^

[violet ginkgo]

or yeah what Nim said.

ok then Nim is correct he is not playing correctly

[lapis wedge]

Or is it a monk problem?

[lusty grotto]

whats gs

ilvl you mean?

[dark cosmos]

ilvl circa 2008

[lusty grotto]

oh

gear score

holy fuck

[lapis wedge]

hes 620 and im 612

[lusty grotto]

what ilvl weapon

[dark cosmos]

232

im stuck in heroics

[lapis wedge]

His are 636, 619 and mine is 619 both on weapon and shield

[lusty grotto]

yeah hes just not playing correctly

its not a class problem

its a player problem

[jagged gust]

I'm basing this purely off the old school aggro rules, but isn't it 110% melee and 130% ranged?

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah he just need to do his rotation better. Crazy that he has 636 weapon but you think to "not taking aggro from him" with 619 weapon

[dark cosmos]

i mean are you outdpsing him by a fair margin?

[lusty grotto]

yes youre correct

[dark cosmos]

the only time ive had that problem was in a friend guild with a new tank but i was visibly just doing like 40% more dps haha

[lapis wedge]

Not really, just a bit but i got clapped two times by endboss of the raid today because of aggro

[jagged gust]

Unless there's an aggro drop it shouldn't be much of an issue if you're get further in to the fight, since taunt puts you at the top of the threat table, every time you taunt there's a larger and larger gap to exceed that 110% threshold

Just get em to taunt a bit more often at the beginning, even better just take them aside and tell them how to play their class

Beware taunt does have DR, so this is a bad plan

[dark cosmos]

which part of taunt has DR?

like the time theyre forced to attack?

[jagged gust]

the taunt part

[dark cosmos]

also can taunt reduce your total threat?

like if i have 200% the total threat of the next person and i taunt

[jagged gust]

Like if you overlap the taunt DR window too often you can make it so taunt stops taunting

[dark cosmos]

wouldnt it still affect your threat though?

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs

[tribal wharf]

unless im mistaken the number of threat you generate during taunt is x4 from dmg

[simple drum]

How do I become a better tank?

[dark cosmos]

in general lol?

or re: that very specific question

[tribal wharf]

so if i taunt and do SC and SS and TC and it crits, i will have have giga aggro

[jagged gust]

That guy has a vendetta against ravager

[turbid shuttle]

I dunno. play a lot. read lots of guides and discussions. watch streams. look at your logs and find mistakes. record your gameplay and watch it back looking for mistakes. analyze all your deaths. play a lot. fail a lot. the usual practice practice really.

[lapis wedge]

Wrote you a PM

[lusty grotto]

can you post it here, i have DMs blocked

you can anonymize the log if you need to

[turbid shuttle]

I don't have a vendetta against ravager. I just think the math shows that SC+Bulwark > Ravager + Bolster because it gives more rage, more shield block uptime, and more prio damage. For some reason I get flamed for pointing this out.

[lapis wedge]

Also logs i didnt record?

[lusty grotto]

maybe someone did? have you looked up your character?

[dark cosmos]

he means can he anonymize logs that arent his

[lusty grotto]

oh

yeah

[lapis wedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj

[dark cosmos]

die to thing, get flamed, go watch streamers do it on your class, "oh i see", go succeed at it -> repeat 100 times

[lusty grotto]

do you recall more or less when the threat problem occurred?

[lapis wedge]

I tried a couple of things at that fight, thats why i died a lot by my mistakes to be fair.

[lapis wedge]

Can you explain that?^^ Im kinda stuck on that sentence since im german xD

[lusty grotto]

whe did you lose agro

in the fight

[jagged gust]

26 logs is a little bit much for me to browse through

[lusty grotto]

trying to isolate which attempt to look at

[lapis wedge]

20:18

that attempt

[royal ivy]

Did not know something like that could drop from Delves

[lapis wedge]

20:19:24 death timer

[violet ginkgo]

I think you mean when he gain aggro? I was under the impression he did quite damage that actually rip aggro.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i dont know what 20:18 means im american

[lapis wedge]

Im kinda "new" to tanking and some things just surprise me

8:18 pm

[dark cosmos]

i dont see a 8:18 pm

[lusty grotto]

theres no 8:18pm try

[dark cosmos]

is this localized weirdly or something?

what time zone are you fabian

[lusty grotto]

might be

[dark cosmos]

thats so scuffed lol

[jagged gust]

yeah the timezones are scuffed

[tribal wharf]

20:18 = 12pm + 8 hrs = 20:xxpm = 10:xxpm

[lusty grotto]

i guess 3:17pm is the closest? or 2:18pm?

[jagged gust]

its fight 9

[tribal wharf]

its military shit

[jagged gust]

yeah 218

[dark cosmos]

no we get 24 hour time lol...

[lusty grotto]

20:18 i can understand, but not when looking at timings on the log

[tribal wharf]

he would mean 20m 18s into the log

where he died

[lusty grotto]

we got it yogi

dont worry

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=9&type=threat

[lapis wedge]

Yeah should be pull 9

[lusty grotto]

provoke

taunt

these are normal

i assume DK and Pally died cause you guys died

[jagged pier]

i mean it can, it bad tho

[lusty grotto]

nobody is ripping agro in this one

[royal ivy]

at least free transmog 😄

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=9&type=threat&view=events

[jagged gust]

nah that was just taunt > die

[lusty grotto]

yeah

theres 0 agro rips

[lapis wedge]

But i didnt taunt?

[dark cosmos]

hes played us for fools

[lapis wedge]

Got the video clip of it and both taunts are on CD o.O

[lusty grotto]

you taunted

its on the log

[dark cosmos]

😅

[lusty grotto]

you taunted on pull

and then you taunted at :48

#protection message its right here

[grizzled orbit]

were do u guys find not so advanced routes for m+

[lapis wedge]

im confused, in my VoD im legitimately not taunting before i die o.O

[bleak breach]

Most of these dungeons are fairly linear atm, outside of I guess DawnBreaker and NW

[lusty grotto]

its possible its not pull 9 then

[bleak breach]

If you just go boss to boss there’s not a lot to skip

[pale wadi]

Got taunt macro’d to anything ?

[jagged gust]

I make em? I'm the tank, I decide what the pulls should look like

[dark cosmos]

i think theres a like "pug friendly" collection of routes thats ok, ill see if i can find it

[dark cosmos]

but ya making them is ideal

[lapis wedge]

She just turns and shits on me, taunt and masstaunt still up

[dark cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THxns1EoMAk in description, i havent tried all of them (i make own routes) but i have found them pretty acceptable

his guides and spreadsheet are helpful too

lots to learn initially as tank its tough

[grizzled orbit]

ty

[jagged gust]

oh yeah tactyk is great

you'd think his stream would get more than 3 concurrent viewers

[bleak breach]

@lapis wedge what’s the reason for the build you’re running?

It’s very odd.

[tribal wharf]

i thought augs were bad

[lusty grotto]

i dont see how this video correlates to the log

[dark cosmos]

why would augs be bad?

[lapis wedge]

tbh just copy pasta'd it.

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt fit

[jagged gust]

oh yeah, it's like a mix of colon and thane

[bleak breach]

Where did you find it?

[jagged gust]

without Spell block

[dark cosmos]

its like the season of infinite incoming damage

aug me up baby

[bleak breach]

I assume you’re progging?

[tribal wharf]

we were discussing dragons the other day and someone was saying just bring dev for key aug is a joke

was the basic conversation

[lusty grotto]

oh

LOL

[jagged gust]

no spell block on heroic spider queen sounds like a bad time

[dark cosmos]

like as a meme? or being serious

[bleak breach]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t8vBTPjAFZGdpWKx#fight=3&type=damage-taken&source=167

[dark cosmos]

(im just genuinely not gauging)

[bleak breach]

@tacit raptor copy what I did here for Queen

[tribal wharf]

i think nim was here for that, i cant recall

[bleak breach]

You’ll dramatically lower your damage take

[lusty grotto]

hey

guys

please stop for a second

he doesnt need recommendations

we're trying to solve a mystery

[bleak breach]

Also liquify does more damage to the group the more damage you take. So you need to spell block it

[grizzled orbit]

i dont get the rotation with ignore pain and shield block, what do i spend range on

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone have a good weakaura for spell reflect/blook that will yell at me

[dark cosmos]

keep shield block up, IP over 70 rage, revenge if TC+SS on cd

we need a bot to say this

[lusty grotto]

this seems like a Meld from the Monk

but

i dont see a meld cast

and im not seeing the death

well there's 1 death

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=9&type=deaths&death=13

[raven knoll]

@lusty grotto if i wanna sim myself for m+ i do. patchwerk 5 boss 1min or 1,5min correct sir?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[grizzled orbit]

sorry im new to prot, been playing vdh all this years

[jagged gust]

is it possible he rolled, and went out of range for the cast, and it auto cast on the nearest highest threat target?

[dark cosmos]

No sorry, people ask here a lot is all i meant :)

[lusty grotto]

you drop from 100 to 0 in that video but this death has you going down slowly for 20s

[dark cosmos]

(for good reason probably)

[lusty grotto]

this log aint it

its not the same as the video

different day perhaps?

[lapis wedge]

Nah its both 29.th

[raven knoll]

do you guys go for nearly same talent build in most dungeons? like the one from wowhead? since i see some streamers or m+ player playing way differnt builds. like thunderous roar over spear.

[lusty grotto]

doesnt fit

[grizzled orbit]

so basicly shield block is nr1 to have upp all the time

[lusty grotto]

the log does not fit with the video

[dark cosmos]

Revenge and IP both cost rage, and obviously you want as much IP as you can get for defensive purposes, and more rage spent (in general) increases dps (violent outburst etc)

Revenge resets SS though which actually over time net is rage-positive, meaning more IP over time, despite itself costing rage

[jagged gust]

yeah log has monk casting roll, video he's casting keg

[lusty grotto]

do you see your death here? because the one that's on the video is not it (Youre player 17)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=9&type=deaths

[lapis wedge]

Need to walk my dog, im still glad for your help guys!

[lusty grotto]

...

[grizzled orbit]

cool, is there a cap for IP?

[dark cosmos]

Yes there is

[lusty grotto]

well now im annoyed cause i wont know what happened

[dark cosmos]

and i dont remember what it is cause my weakaura just tells me haha

[lapis wedge]

Wll be back in 20

[dark cosmos]

30% of max hp i think?

[surreal steppe]

ye

[dark cosmos]

oh it literally says on the tooltip

ahem

[lusty grotto]

im thinking its a different day

[sonic lake]

hi

[lusty grotto]

or its wipe 18

[sonic lake]

any suggesion on if i should craft smth or use crests for items

?

[dark cosmos]

if you are totally capping out on rage (ravager down etc) and youre GCDs are totally filled you can still just sink into IP even if youre capped though, cause youll get more VO procs

[ornate thicket]

@sonic lake i suggest going back to drawing board on the mog. Hoooooly

[jagged gust]

im pretty sure it's wipe 10

[lusty grotto]

wipe 18

looks like it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=18&type=deaths&death=16

check that out

let me check 10

[jagged gust]

just the timing of the monks keg smash in the video and logs and time of war death seem to fit

[lusty grotto]

oh

yeah

its def wipe 10

this makes no sense lmao

i dont see a shadowmeld

bop?

[tribal wharf]

another no lust group

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=10&type=threat

exactly how the video shows it

no taunt, agro pull

im not seeing BoPs or melds

but i could be missing something

[glacial pebble]

Stat-check, what ratio of haste/verse/crit do y'all have? I have 9k crit, 5700 mastery, 7720 verse and 5942 haste.

I have been drinking the haste potion to balance stat priority, prob going to craft a ring to replace one with 3630 mastery on it.

[jagged gust]

i checked buffs, nothing times properly for an aggro drop

[lusty grotto]

yeah this is

a good one

[lapis wedge]

So, im back. How can i assist?

[lusty grotto]

we found the proper wipe

and can see the death and the threat change

no taunt was used

but nothing should have caused it

[dark cosmos]

it doesnt seem like hes just doing enough damage to rip threat but idk

[lusty grotto]

checked for BoPs and Melds just in case

[dark cosmos]

he demolishes just before that like 3-4 seconds

[lusty grotto]

yeah that def shouldn't have ripped threat

[lapis wedge]

Maybe the 2 Mio shieldbash?

[lusty grotto]

something's fucky

[dark cosmos]

idk what it could have been but its looks almost like mmh

[jagged gust]

first 20 seconds they were roughly tied in DPS as well

[dark cosmos]

where tank becomes unpathable or something weird for a moment so boss swings on someone else

[jagged gust]

450 vs 464

[lusty grotto]

if by shield bash you mean shield slam, that shouldnt rip

[dark cosmos]

but idk how/where that would happen on ansurek

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[lapis wedge]

yeah maybe that^^

[lusty grotto]

thats a possible explanation yarn

[dark cosmos]

im just trying to think of any reason why boss would swing at someone lol

or like

hmm no sshouldnt be that, i was gonna say demolish makes you stun immune but bosses will attack you through stun i think

its not like everyone in the raid got disoriented or something except for you so you got swung on (not that ansurek does this obviously but you get my point)

so im out of crackpot far fetched theories

[wide charm]

Who took a melee in that log?

[dark cosmos]

non-active tank

[wide charm]

oh at 20 seconds?

[dark cosmos]

yes

[wide charm]

I'm going to guess the warrior ripped threat off him

[dark cosmos]

why tho

thats our whole question lol

[wide charm]

I'm trying to look now but for instance I know on week 1 the druid I was tanking with decided to BLAST the second I taunted sometimes

[raven knoll]

why does Skarmorak Shard sim good for me in aoe. even tho it gives mastery. isnt masterie our worst stat?

[wide charm]

and it would cause this because I was obviously in dstance and playing pure defense

so, stupid decision by the co-tank

so trying to see if maybe this warrior blows a bunch of dmg just before that happens

[dark cosmos]

cause "worst/best stat" is a complete approximation and stats are different in different circumstances

[wide charm]

because their overall dmg is similar-ish

[raven knoll]

so trust the sim

you guys say

[bleak breach]

Mastery is still a good stat and gives attack power

[dark cosmos]

yes but just remember, you are the one who sets up the sim :)

[bleak breach]

Just not as strong as Luther’s

[wide charm]

@dark cosmos https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=10&type=casts&view=events&by=target&source=17
Demolish and Avatar just before that melee on him happened

I'm now much more confident he ripped threat

[raven knoll]

i did 5 bosses patchwerk 1,5min

for m+

[lusty grotto]

that shouldnt rip threat

look at the threat graph

[bleak breach]

Every time I use colossus I rip threat

[wide charm]

Maybe it shouldn't.. but he's pumping dmg, if the monk is, at the same period, not pumping dmg

it sure could

[lusty grotto]

they are pumping the same amount

look at the damage

[dark cosmos]

ya they dont seem different

[wide charm]

The monk provoke's at 10 seconds right?

So the taunt effect is over by ~15 seconds, 6 seconds to rip threat afterwards, he isn't using his high dmg during the taunt window so it's not stealing that aggro

wait does the monk NOT taunt back?

It's literally exactly 1 melee

?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:NzBAk7ZGpVCc1qYj#fight=10&type=threat&view=events

yes

[dark cosmos]

he dies to the melee

[lusty grotto]

its 1 melee

[lapis wedge]

There was no time to taunt back, it was a 0.01 second turn around with a slap in my face

[idle sundial]

do you guys run disrupting shout?

[dark cosmos]

he just gave him the quick shebop

and moved on

[wide charm]

I think it's a threat thing, you guys should watch this very closely your next couple pulls

If you hit 106% at any point, even for a split second, yea you're gonna take that melee

[dark cosmos]

The warrior is ahead on dps by a bit at ~20 seconds so ya i think its plausible warr just pumped too hard

[grizzled orbit]

any good shield block weak aura? 😄

[wide charm]

DPS might be the similar overall in the fight but if you are pumping 5 seconds before he is, your threat difference might be enough

[lusty grotto]

this shouldn't happen

[wide charm]

@lusty grotto I've never looked at this threat tab in logs, this page looks completely useless

[lusty grotto]

i have never seen something like this

[wide charm]

it's literally a binary 0 or 1 seems like

[dark cosmos]

ya its "aggro" not threat really

i didnt think they had threat at all

like threat isnt actually logged so

unless they magically derive it

[wide charm]

right

[lusty grotto]

its target of target

but it gives you an idea of taunt timings

if thats relevant

and a timeframe when target swaps

:17

is the highest point comparatively

i mean, i guess that's just the most plausible explanation

thats double the burst in 1-2 seconds

:09 being the monk provoke

[inland raft]

Been busy with school, whats this weeks affix like?

[lusty grotto]

absolute garbage

worse than last week

[fast ridge]

summons a xalatath clone that u need to nuke

thats it

[quasi pivot]

Spawns during boss burst phases and screws over groups xD I'm glad I defer M+ a couple days after reset so everyone else can do Blizz QA for them

[elfin geode]

bit new to prot warrior

how much haste is too much haste

this is with haste flask

[dark cosmos]

you dont have too much haste

now get back to work

[tribal wharf]

finally

a decent dungeon group

[wide charm]

I agree, this week's affix is absolutely ridiculous

[tribal wharf]

just tell em to jump the ghost lady and everything else should be fine

she DR's shit, means shit dont die

[dark cosmos]

its very very awkward on some bosses

like i thought the balls flying into bosses that you couldnt move etc was awkward

i hadnt seen NOTHIN yet

[tribal wharf]

its fine for SV

[smoky anvil]

Second boss ara-kara where going to get balls = death was fuckin great game design I thought

[merry sluice]

My favorite is when the game arbitrarily decides to spawn ghost bitch a mile behind us while pulling

[dark cosmos]

SoB balls flying from the ocean into the tentacles was good too

inshallah i will time my last 11s this weeks and be free

[merry sluice]

SoB balls flying into the waves you line of sight

;D

Or sometimes balls just getting stuck and never moving

[wide charm]

This week's affix just soaks up too much dps. Especially because a lot of dps have ramp so them having to swap to this stupid little thing and back hurts them quite a bit.
And cleaving it isn't really a good option because the mobs will get too many damage reduction stacks.
Even focusing it the mobs generally get to 3~ stacks

[merry sluice]

Big fan of when the balls decide to fucking Tokyo drift away from the player

[wide charm]

it takes way too much time

[tribal wharf]

i got the cloak out of SV now, no scamorak mastery trinket

[mild river]

Any specific talent or still to help deal with the affix this weak? Or just single target focus?

[tribal wharf]

debating if farm hell out of SV more

[lusty grotto]

case closed: its a threat rip, thats double the dps so Lei is right @lapis wedge see here #protection message

[tribal wharf]

like when i only did lair ffor entire DF season lol

[wide charm]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-shades-on-swag-peace-sign-gif-15457968

[inland raft]

Blizzard makes fun affixes as always sounds like kek

[wide charm]

Yea this one is giga-dogshit

[lapis wedge]

Ok thanks for the help guys!

[wide charm]

I heard they nerfed its hp though? Haven't seen it since then

[merry sluice]

Keep in mind: brew threat is bugged currently

[dark cosmos]

brewmaster aint brewmaster without multiple bugs

[tribal wharf]

can brew just touch of death the ghosts? since it comes in with only 1 hp

[merry sluice]

Keg generates threat based on dmg done, with no regard for threat mod

[lusty grotto]

they didnt nerf it, they buffed it

[merry sluice]

Very cool

[dark cosmos]

it could yesterday at least

[lusty grotto]

oh

it was reverted

[merry sluice]

They reverted the shield buff

[lusty grotto]

interesting

[merry sluice]

But kept the cdr

[lusty grotto]

thank fucking god

[tribal wharf]

i got loads of haste now

30% at least

i think

[neon elk]

Wait they did keep 50% dr on it ? Tought its whole revert to original values both dr and absorb

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/reverted-xalataths-bargain-voidbound-mythic-affix-buffed-347390

[echo egret]

I can perma-execute the Void Emissary from the affix, is that normal ?

[neon elk]

Sweet

[lusty grotto]

yes has been normal since forever

[raven knoll]

can i upgrade everything i get dropped from m+ like 610/613 to 619 this week? with runed crest. do we have a calculator on that?

[dark cosmos]

look at the health bar, its at like 1% hp with a shield

[echo egret]

aaaah ok ok

[tribal wharf]

fracture is NOT capped at 10 stacks

as i once theorized

and it fucking hurts

[lusty grotto]

no

you just dont want more than 10

[echo egret]

Another question : is there currently a known bug in which keys are given to players ? I mostly see the same three in LFG tool.

[dark cosmos]

my favorite fracture moment was 1st week, forgetting that 6 pack after the patrol of the 5 forgehands ALSO had forgehands

[lusty grotto]

spear or stun and stuttert step them

[dark cosmos]

and charging it with like 15 stacks still ticking and getting one hit cause i forgot it ALSO had forgehands

[tribal wharf]

well, 5% x 10 = 50% so, i figured it would cap out at 10 stacks

and just refresh

NOPE

[stiff peak]

Nobody wants to run necrotic wake that's why there's 8 million of them lol

[bleak breach]

I generally just shockwave, leap and charge back once stacks fall off

[dark cosmos]

You may just be searching and getting too many results back and its only showing the top X results

[bleak breach]

It sucks because they’re easy % but it’s hard to chain pull them because of the debuff

[lusty grotto]

if you spear them

[dark cosmos]

You can kite them

[lusty grotto]

as thane you can just

TB them

without getting hit

[dark cosmos]

ya spear/tb/team slows/just jump away and run

[lusty grotto]

thats how you can triple the 3rd pull in there

[dark cosmos]

its a little annoying on the pack just before the vers buff cause you dont have as much room to run away but still ok

so nice when a mob is actually CCable like that

takes me back

[bleak breach]

Yeah, there’s too much crap you can’t cc these days

[graceful kite]

so cool that my nw 10 window was exactly in that buffed shield phase

gettina an affix in the exact time of hooking stitchflesh kill me

[dark cosmos]

stitchflex can hook the affix too

[stiff peak]

Yea thats ruff :/

[dark cosmos]

fun fact

[graceful kite]

I kind of hate wow now

just from this affix and dps nerfs

[tribal wharf]

ya, with crafted boots i will be 30% haste

[stiff peak]

Getting it during mist 2nd boss sounds fun if it pops when u have to burst down add

[dark cosmos]

not to be a doomer but im having a lot of fun with wow rn

despite various cringe elements

[tribal wharf]

i try to have fun in all the suffering

[tribal wharf]

that needs to be fixed

more incorpreal form ghost

[stiff peak]

They should just make the dumb ghost worth %

[dark cosmos]

oh god

[stiff peak]

Wouldn't change gow they want u to play it but would take away the feeling of this affix is a time sink with no benefit

[tribal wharf]

no because it respawns

[dark cosmos]

give the pugs more to think about

[tribal wharf]

so it would have to give shit amounts of %

[stiff peak]

Yea I guess it'd have to be super small

[sleek current]

Has anyone found a way to consistently sync up the Anima Slashes of the Guardians in Tirnia? On Pull, during pull...

[tribal wharf]

that type of thing is arcane lore

hard to learn, more feely craft

dual reflect isnt something i rely on unless its court of stars

[sleek current]

I'm not relying on it. I want to juice my damage. 😂

[dark cosmos]

I have never heard of someone doing this

[sleek current]

If I find a way, I'll report back. It's 40 - 50 mil worth of damage in a +10

[tribal wharf]

i always picture reflect as this rather than mirror force

[dark cosmos]

please

[molten gorge]

Anyone else had the 3rd boss of Grim Batol despawn after you killed it? 🤭

little guy with 1hp spawned, then vanished, boss reset

[toxic pewter]

I heard apparently this weekend affix is bugging it

[remote tusk]

Any changes for Prot on Ptr? Since the post in #updates-midnight only mentions Arms and Fury for the most part

[lusty grotto]

troar will possible further capped for us too

thats about it

[wind sleet]

how do we sim for protection gear

like raidbots says it sims for dps

do i just sim dps or like what do i pick

[lusty grotto]

we sim for dps yes

1 target patchwerk 3mins or 5mins for ST/Raid
5 target patchwerk 1 min or 1.5 mins for AOE/M+

[merry sluice]

thinking you finaslly found a group that get through grim batol
just to find the dps run face first into the adds on third boss twice

👍

[lusty grotto]

generally the ST sim is enough, but if you want a specialized sim you can use the 5 target one

oh

fury is back

interesting

they saw critcake's video i guess

nvm just read Archi's comments

LOL

why the fuck wouldnt they extend those buffs to CB and BB

[molten gorge]

so tilting, was an 11 and we were on to time it

oh well

[ornate thicket]

Annoying 🤬

[errant widget]

Trying to make the most of a garbage vault. Sim says adding a vault gem slot to helm is worth +2k dps, whereas a 610 hero cloak (crit/mastery) is a -200 dps loss compared to current 606 champion haste/vers cloak. Take the gem and hold out for a better cloak drop?

[lusty grotto]

i mean hero gear you can farm

[neon elk]

Ngl that 3rd boss is so bugy , like people failing it left and right is one thing but damn that boss needs tons of fixes

[molten gorge]

if you expect to get myth track items you should take the socket for sure

[errant widget]

Yeah, +2k just seemed high for a gem slot, but I'll take it. If the cloak was a higher ilvl, I'd be tempted for the free ilvl push, but this one is meh.

[wide pilot]

for the first boss in cot i see the spreadsheet says u cant reflect subkugate but do you still get the 25% dr from spell reflect against it?

[warm plinth]

Yes, the DR will always work regardless of reflect or not, as long as you're taking magic damage.

[zealous goblet]

wrong

[warm plinth]

wat

[zealous goblet]

i don't think personally it's wrong but i just need to disagree with you fundementally because we're in a class discord

speaking of which

hey guys should i drop ravager for bsv

[ornate thicket]

[warm plinth]

[zealous goblet]

class discords are for shitposting

and tribalism

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna tribal this ism right up your ass

[zealous goblet]

reported

class discords need to also bait each other into breaking the rules so they can report to the teacher (moderators)

"you won't punch me you're scared!"

this is how you truly win arguments

rookie hour

[bleak breach]

Yeah that’s super weird

[analog abyss]

Why with mountain thane we go spear and not roar? Weird coming back and played roar throughout DF to now playing spear lol

[ornate thicket]

Couple of reasons but more dmg is the tldr.

Roar isnt boosted by our set this season

[simple drum]

What’s everyone’s MUST HAVE Weakauras for Prot right now? I’m trying to improve my quality of life as well as automate as much as humanly possible within reason

[strong forum]

My weakaura pack #ad

[sonic rock]

Wait why is everyone shitting on swarmlord's in here but if i go to r.io tops every single tank and their mom use it?

[strong forum]

But there's no real "must have" weakaura beyond the basic buff trackers

[strong forum]

Cuz big details bar go brr

[sonic rock]

I mean if youre running 14s i think details bar < completing key no?

[strong forum]

You completing a key has nothing to do with a trinket

[simple drum]

Nice What’s good about it?

[strong forum]

A trinket which does less than half of your hp in trickle absorb every time you use it

But that's just my take

[sonic rock]

If the people who are running the highest possible content are using it above any other aint it decent? Im p sure those guys can just use any other item in that slot - im just tryina understand

[strong forum]

That's not always the case

[lament gulch]

I've got a question. I've got 4 piece being helm shoulders gloves and lelgs. No cata charges. Is it worth dropping champ tier shoulders for myth track non tier shoulders and breaking my 4 piece until next week when we get another cata charge? I should add the shoulders would be a 10ilvl upgrade

[strong forum]

Just because someone is high rated doesn't necessarily mean their gearing/talent options are always the most informed

It's just the only tank trinket this season which produces any kind of feasible numbers

So they equip it cuz it appears to do a lot

1 trinket wont make or break anything, especially this season where most trinket are mediocre at best

[sonic rock]

So just run sac and something decent on slot2? What's even decent there? Mandate?

[strong forum]

Mandate is alright but it's nerfed for tanks so nothing special either,

[inner wren]

swarmlord giga easy to get and its half decent and gives haste

[strong forum]

I like sac + larynx a lot

[cosmic dagger]

Hi, guys they fixed the second boss in Grim Batol when u hide between the pillars? The boss disappeared at 50% ??

[strong forum]

Sac + skarm shard is super solid

[sonic rock]

It gives mastery

what

[strong forum]

So?

[bleak breach]

It’s nieche in that slot because of how much damage they’re taking. If you’re doing a 6 you don’t need swarmlord