protection

[pallid quiver]

T Roar is available more often is the notable thing for threat

So you get snap aggro much more often than you do with spear

[lusty grotto]

you could try it

[zealous goblet]

then i wonder if i should at that point double dip into the idea and drop spell block and bloodsurge and pick up double bleed.

[drifting dagger]

u have to drop 1 point in arnir ti teeth to get 3 points in roar tho right?

[lusty grotto]

eh

[zealous goblet]

or just drop bloodsurge for 1 pt into it

[pallid quiver]

Double bleed won't be enough to make up a tempest mondo blast, especially in exchange for dying

[lusty grotto]

this guy was on a 10 siege i did last night

never ripped from me

i have a 4/6 hero weapon

[drifting dagger]

damn just better

[lusty grotto]

he did 1.3M overall

[pallid quiver]

If Enha can threaten pulling off you, they both need to be playing well and also happen to have tempests available

[zealous goblet]

how much overall did you do?

[pallid quiver]

Without both being true, they won't threaten to rip off you without any other effort

[lusty grotto]

700k

[zealous goblet]

here is the 11 we bricked

[pallid quiver]

There's also the possibility that they're save up maelstrom for tempests at the start of a pull

[void halo]

is authority of radiant power or depths better for prot?

[pallid quiver]

which is incorrect play iirc overall, but would make it harder to maintain aggro

[pallid quiver]

Sim, but iirc Rad Power is usu better in AOE, Depths in ST

They're a little finagle-y depending on stats

[lusty grotto]

actually he did pull threat

[void halo]

mmm makes sense

ty!

[lusty grotto]

3 times in the whole dungeon

[pallid quiver]

Check to see if the cast right before those was Tempest

[lusty grotto]

im not seeing it

first one is a gutter so could have been while gathering

gutterer

[zealous goblet]

Hmm.

[lusty grotto]

2nd one curseblade

which could also be while gathering

invader for the last one

[zealous goblet]

Do you stagger ravager and spear or no?

[lusty grotto]

no

i dont stagger anything

i send

if its up, i send

[zealous goblet]

I know the wowhead opener. I'm just thinking

Dangerous, i know.

[lusty grotto]

the only time i dont send, is trinkets and an SB charge when shit is about to die

unless its mandate

which i ultra send to get the cdr on it

[zealous goblet]

Lemme comb my dungeons and see if anyone logged one. I don't log my shit cause one I'm dumb and two my pc is old as shit and people say they lag when they log. Unsure if they meant while livelogging or what

It's 8 years old and my fans spin like crazy if anything not from 2008 is rendered

[lusty grotto]

just to be clear

[eager geode]

Skarmorak Shard any good for m+?

[lusty grotto]

anything without cdr, i can stagger if shit is about to die as well such as ravager and spear

[zealous goblet]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

i suppose those are the only two outright

[zealous goblet]

Hey. Should i drop ravager for bsv?

No one has debated this yet today

[lusty grotto]

lol

[lone current]

The total damage reduction threshold from the silken chain weaver trink, that's not per unit right? that's just total from everything hit

[zealous goblet]

wait that's not right

melee in details would say if someone died to a melee for threat deaths 95% of the time, right?

ah forget it actually

[lusty grotto]

sometimes they can survive

or snap agro and you can grab it back while the mob is running to them

logs are kinda better in that regard

[zealous goblet]

i mistyped i should just sleep on it

[jolly lagoon]

morning all, is this trinket any good? its either that or shoulders

[zealous goblet]

do you have tier?

[jolly lagoon]

yeah 4 set, but only 606 shoulders non tier

[spark shore]

Hey guys, noob prot warrior question but is pally threat OP? Warrior threat bad? I feel like I never have enough rage for defensives when I'm trying to keep up on threat with my other raid tank, a prot pally

[zealous goblet]

well you get no benefit from having 5 pieces of tier. and trinkets seem harder to come by, i feel like.

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

[zealous goblet]

do you heroic raid or m+?

[jolly lagoon]

m+ only, but is the on use instant?

[lusty grotto]

warrior threat is NOT bad

logs would help us tell you what you're doing wrong

[spark shore]

Yeah but I mean even more generally, was just sitting at the training dummy with my prot pally buddy and I can outpace him but only if I don't "waste" any rage on ignore pain/shield block etc

[zealous goblet]

i don't actually know about that trinket

[lusty grotto]

how is that relevant?

[jolly lagoon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9N2GjhrpUJDyPS4p58Nerk

[zealous goblet]

we use ignore pain as a rage dump at 70ish rage. shield block is not a waste and comes out to 3.5 rage per second. this is almost nothing

you'll see greater results if you practice your core rotation more

shield slam > thunder clap > revenge to fish for shield slam resets

[lusty grotto]

theres a lot wrong with the first statement btw

[zealous goblet]

me or him?

[lusty grotto]

and you havent told us whats your hero spec

the Soup Broth guy

[zealous goblet]

oh lol

[trail lily]

mornin - tank open vault as dps or tank spec?

[lusty grotto]

read pins

anyway first of all

"i dont waste any rage on ip/sb"

that statement alone

[trail lily]

ty

[lusty grotto]

can be really bad if youre playing thane

[spark shore]

For the test in question I'm colossus but I would like to get back to thane if I could get my threat generation higher

[lusty grotto]

because your hard hitters as thane are not rage spenders

they are rage generators

do you have a workable example? like logs? its really hard to help out with anectodal dummy trials

[zealous goblet]

thane is fucking monster aoe threat

thunder blast kicks ass

[spark shore]

It's more single target threat that I'm talking about, my prot pally friend comes very close to pulling off me manually during some heroic bosses so I have less rage to spend on defensives than I would like

[lusty grotto]

i see

well i cant help without logs

so 🤷

[spark shore]

That's fair, I just wanted to know if that's normal or not to be struggling a bit with threat compared to prot pally and it seems like it's not

[stone canopy]

Hello guys, how is the void pactstone? I got it in my vault.

[plush brook]

First pull in Ara-Ara, do you all go the way to the mini boss? I did my first 10 AK, and the first pull wrecked us, I had real troubles holding aggro

[lusty grotto]

agro depends on a lot of things, but more often than not weapon ilvl is the culprit, and equally as impactful is how you're playing

so logs would help us understand if any of those 2 are affected

in any way or form

[neon elk]

In pugs i dont unless its discused before , and even then i feel like in 10 there is minimal gain compared to risk doing it in one pull , just play it safe and slow and its ez timed

[lusty grotto]

the threshhold for ripping agro is so high that the overall difference in dps balance-wise shouldn't affect it

the only exception is a big ass dotc druid with maxed out myth weapon, if anything or at all

[fast oracle]

slow is smooth, smooth is fast

[neon elk]

Yap, no reason to do "mdi" pulls in 10s if your only goal is to time it and have a smooth run

[velvet knot]

gonna get my 13th reason soon.

[onyx pike]

easy pick this week i guess.

[dark cosmos]

way too monka in pugs imo

and timer is free anyway in ara

[molten gorge]

ngl think I'd have taken the neck lol

or is it not myth track actually

nah it's not nvm, misread

[onyx pike]

i have the neck

from last week

:kekw

[molten gorge]

Even better 💪

[onyx pike]

but its HC

I had the option for mythic path shoulders

i kinda regret it.

[tawdry seal]

should i prio this hero track cloak, is it decent for tank?
there's also haste/mastery ring & verse/crit neck on myth track, not sure what to go with

[strong mauve]

I know for warriors its BIS

i wouldnt be suprised if its every tanks bis

[tawdry seal]

see now i dont trust you cause you called me a russian and a spy

[strong mauve]

wow

[tawdry seal]

which im neither

xD

[cosmic dagger]

And again sh*t vault 😞

[lime geyser]

i got a myth item from the vault, should i sim anyway or take it

[hearty stump]

am I delusional about this trinket?

What does 12k dodge even translate to

[cyan oriole]

F

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-mate-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-what-are-you-talking-about-gif-26103471

[hearty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-gif-26162796

[onyx pike]

mythic neck

would be my pick.

[naive snow]

good morning, ive got a question. got low ilvl shoulders (600) in my vault. i could grab 4p with it but my current shoulders are 610 ilvl. is the 4p that strong that it outweight 10 ilvl downgrade?

[jagged pier]

no

4 pc is garbo

and u also get a cata this week so dont know why u would get a lower piece out of vault

[fast oracle]

this week?

[naive snow]

no cata this week

only got 2

[torn gulch]

next week

you get the third charge

[naive snow]

so 4p is garbo, didnt even knew that

[native iron]

i got no clue on what can be good this week
running sikrans endless arsenal (hero)
and ara-kara sacbrooob (champion)
is the trinket even worth considering?

[onyx pike]

having 4p is better than no 4p, you just dont have to rush it, i guess.

[naive snow]

thank you mackzim, ill pick the bis ring on 616 then and go for the 2p for now

[onyx pike]

for me it made a big diff, idk why he says it's garbo tbh.

[jagged gust]

its more that you wouldn't drop 10 ilvls on an item to get it, that's an overall loss

[naive snow]

it sounds good, i mean shield slam crits often and its a 10% dmg buff for clap and revenge

[lusty grotto]

shouldnt have

thats some placebo shit

[onyx pike]

even if

placebos work

[lusty grotto]

i guess

but will is right

you wouldnt go for set bonuses over ilvl, the set bonuses arent worth it

[naive snow]

i relativly new to the game - if i dont pick an item out of the vault and join HC raid, will it count for next week?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[onyx pike]

no

[naive snow]

😄

[onyx pike]

what?

[lusty grotto]

it counts for next week's vault yes

you can keep your vault as is

[onyx pike]

WHAT?

[torn gulch]

i think yo can do 3 consecutive vaults

[naive snow]

ok cool, ill join a raid and see what i get before i decide what to pick out of the vault

[torn gulch]

without taking

and then take them at the same time

[onyx pike]

I can just not select an item and it stays for next week?!

[naive snow]

thanks!

[lusty grotto]

thats why a lot of us opened vault on the day before reset on 1st week

[noble cove]

Ilvl over set anyway

[lusty grotto]

yup

thats the gist of it

[boreal shuttle]

what should i take, i already have a non set hero breast and only a veteren neck

[onyx pike]

neck is BiS

[boreal shuttle]

oh rly?:D sick

[onyx pike]

iirc

let me check

before i spread more missinformation here.

[boreal shuttle]

ye i check too 😄

[boreal shuttle]

mine got crit vers

and lifesteal

[lucid nimbus]

my vault sucked

[valid knot]

Lets gooo

[onyx pike]

if the neck is myth path I'd take the neck

[lucid nimbus]

grz , i toolk the myth track weapon XD

[ionic fern]

Remember that bis lists exist in a vacuum,and are only tied to that specific gear set. Thank you.

[boreal shuttle]

damn i dont really know what to pick 😄

[noble cove]

Neck tbh

[onyx pike]

whats the opinion on Beledars Bulwark?

[boreal shuttle]

but it isnt bis right? and the myth breast cant get better?

[green bronze]

ahhaha, myth breast sure sounds cool)

[jagged pier]

bad

[green bronze]

i think you just take the biggest ilvl increase, but that neck doesnt have haste if i recall correctly

[onyx pike]

so just 80% embelishment shield with bis stats?

[jagged pier]

yes

[onyx pike]

crafted beledars recently.

its not THAT bad.

[green bronze]

sadge, but at least an ilvl increase

[jagged pier]

F

[onyx pike]

also my Paladin healer is happy sharing the buff, i assume.

[green bronze]

but damn, i have sikran neck in my vault, what do i take myth shoulder/legs or hero sikran neck

[jagged pier]

i mean that neck is bis

until

myth track skiran neck

and its rare

[teal laurel]

What do you guys think woud be more impactful, 636ing the weapon or the shield? Question on account of the wep being 619 already

[green bronze]

or really it is better than any random myth neck?

[jagged pier]

does a random myth neck have 4k haste

and give u free stat?

[jagged pier]

shield

[boreal shuttle]

@jagged pier what do u think? got veteran Neck and hero chest atm

[teal laurel]

That was my suspicion ty for the sanity check lol

[jagged pier]

u sim it

[green bronze]

took the neck, now 20k haste without ITF

[peak light]

Worth swapping the normal rare raid cloak for a myth track cloak?

[jagged pier]

no

[boreal shuttle]

how do i sim? normal dps sim?

as tank

[jagged pier]

yes

[tawdry dirge]

cloak i assume?

rest is farm able right

[crimson furnace]

cloak!

holy fuck!

[noble cove]

Cloak yep

[green bronze]

btw, i did delves weekly yesterday and got a new one today

[noble cove]

Well it's weekly reset todag

Today*

[green bronze]

ye, but we only got that quest yesterday, so everyone assumed we will not get a new one with reset

[lucid gulch]

How much value has the cloak vs mythic chest piece ? its hard for me to compare

[jagged pier]

we dont really die to damage that avoidance reduces

and u really shouldnt ever be taking hits more than a quarter of your hp on prot

[green bronze]

but its guaranteed to proc on every tank buster boss ability

[jagged pier]

no?

because u should be mitigating tank busters

as warrior

so it shouldnt do 25%

[green bronze]

tank busters do at least half your hp even with IP + SB + wall

[broken mulch]

🤔my vault choice is between myth hands and myth weapon. Hands I sould catalyse to tier. I don't raid mythic so vault is only way to get myth tier and weapon I can craft 636. Which sim equal to the 639 weapon (maybe cuz vers/mastery?) so I'm leaning towards hands but would like feedback

[jagged pier]

no in my expereince

[ionic fern]

Which ones?

[jagged pier]

wep

[green bronze]

first boss of dawnbreaker for example

[jagged pier]

no

[river sierra]

https://gyazo.com/3a1753b9b6e735e3c5de27f93208979e Sacbrood everyday right?

[jagged pier]

spell block

and its 1 hit

whats the point of have avoidance and healing after the fact

when no damage is happening

its pointless

[green bronze]

i have gone to like 30% hp from full through spell block i think

[jagged pier]

thats hero track so its farmable so no

[green bronze]

kinda true, but just less burden on healer i guess

[jagged pier]

then your taking an extra tick

because it does bug all if u plan correctly

[jagged pier]

and that looks like a crit haste ring right there

[river sierra]

Yeah I was torn between the ring and the sac, I already have 1 crafted so was holding out for the Poisoned Pact Cope, Already got the NW 1H from vault last week

[wheat rivet]

yo, do I pick this weapon and max upgrade it?

[green bronze]

yes

[wheat rivet]

it's vers mastery weapon so the stats are not ideal, wouldn't it be better to craft?

[lusty grotto]

brother

a myth weapon is 3 ilvls above a crafted one

its secondaries do not matter as much as its damage

[green bronze]

well 1h weapons don't have a lot of secondary stats anyway, but base weap damage is a biggest dps increase

[wheat rivet]

hmm actually true

[proven gate]

Raid trinket, right?

[jagged pier]

legs

[nocturne vine]

Guys a question, i opened the vault with fury spec by mistake, do you think trecherous transmittant on heto track will get offensive value over time?

[half lichen]

What do you guys think? Should I get the chest for catalyst (atm HC chest) or get the Skarmorak Shard? Atm I have Sacbrood 262 and Refracting Agression Module 613.

[nocturne vine]

Or we will always prefer defensive value trinkets

[graceful kite]

If you farm 7+ skarmorak isnt worth it

[urban portal]

its a lot of stats

and stats are not bad for a tank

[graceful kite]

639 skarmorak sims 500 dps better than 626 sac and you have to spend gilded on it

[urban portal]

its just painful to use

[jagged pier]

defensive trinkets are aweful this season so we never favour them

[nocturne vine]

Why so?

[urban portal]

trasmitter is annoying

its got some weird stuff that you have to do sometimes

[graceful kite]

We never do

[urban portal]

that you probably cant do as a tank

[nocturne vine]

I saw someone using this but dont know if it is nice

[urban portal]

one of the tasks requires you to stand in a spot

which probably requires you to move a bit

[graceful kite]

Nah all tasks are very easy

Esp for war

[urban portal]

well if you have to stand somewhere for what, 4 seconds?

[golden basin]

Whats a good alternative to Ara Ara for M+

[jagged pier]

none

[graceful kite]

Orb or platofm on the righht of you or jump 3 times

[urban portal]

its a bit harder on a tank than a dps

but its not hard

[jagged pier]

because its our best trinket

[golden basin]

Well luck is shot

[raw parcel]

I got the stupid tank trinket on hero instead of the sacbrood ><

[golden basin]

I have a 593 ara but 619 wax plating im wondering might just be better for now

or 619 ritual knife

[graceful kite]

Probably not

Sim it

[nocturne vine]

Aside from arakara what would you run?

[graceful kite]

I still have hc dungeon arakara and m0 khardros

Can recommend those

[golden basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k1kk5pB1QWqBMCTshYjaUM

[graceful kite]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[graceful kite]

Youve got your answer

[frank rock]

If 9s gick 619 hero track and 7s give 616 hero track, what does 8s give in the vault?

[graceful kite]

Gero track

[frank rock]

619 or 616?

[golden basin]

Yep i guess, thank you!

[brazen flower]

Kind of an L vault, Ring is High Haste, Low Mastery, and has a socket, so probably the best option. Already have a 5/6 Hero Shield

[nimble grail]

I am a bit confused wether I go for the neck hero 6/6 or the hands hate/vers Myth 1/6...

[dark plover]

M+ life

[sweet summit]

W trinket

[brazen flower]

I'd take gloves and catalyse when you get another charge

[coral badger]

open as prot?

[nimble grail]

Yes I am thinking gloves too because losing 3k vers for the neck scares me a bit talking about surviving, having this neck atm

[sweet summit]

pins :3

3k vers is not noticable

stop the cap

[graceful kite]

stamina gem

[coral badger]

ty

[hard tusk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4aFVECSGbuAF2N4AS9BvY9

I got Meat hook trink MYTH, which is one of the bis. But Sim shows a crit versa ring is better upgrade.. is that really true? I mean i know dungeon slice sucks for tanks and healer..

[graceful kite]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[jagged pier]

dont that neck is bis

until the same neck at myth track

[nimble grail]

You would go for neck ?

[jagged pier]

u cant sim dungeon slice

on prot

[sweet summit]

jakey

[jagged pier]

the neck is rare gloves are not

[sweet summit]

fix dslice apl

for prot

ty

[jagged pier]

no

[sweet summit]

:(

[hard tusk]

so if you check my GV items, which one should i take?

i mainly m+

[jagged pier]

just sim

normally

[hard tusk]

I always do dungeon slice (previous dps main)

!sim

[sweet summit]

eyir cocks

what the

[green bronze]

dungeon slice works for dps but doesnt work well for tanks, just sim patchwerk 5 bosses

[nimble grail]

The thing is I don't have that much vers atm, so I dont know I would be at 3k vers only by changing neck

[coral badger]

shoulder's the clear winner here right?

just catalyse

or do i take belt..........

[sweet summit]

you don't need a lot of vers

[jagged pier]

i have 1% vers and am completely fine we dont care about stats

survivability comes from play

not stats

[sweet summit]

it is lowkey a fake (not really but kinda) defensive stat

[green bronze]

does vers dmg reduction apply before mitigations or after?

[celest ferry]

Hey guys, Is Swarmlord's Authority a good trinket in your opinion?

[toxic zephyr]

im at a loose end. which would you recommend?

[sweet summit]

good question i actually don't know.
@strong forum do you know?

[jagged pier]

[green bronze]

i would assume it applies after the mitigations, thats why its not good

[hard tusk]

remember that versatility improves your absorb aswell (self healing)

[surreal herald]

I don't raid, just m+. Worth picking myth ring over shield and wep since they're only hero track? (i currently only have 606 wep/shield)

[toxic zephyr]

i mean shield and wep are prio for tanks above anything, but seeing as you can craft a 636 shield and wep

[jagged pier]

no not at hero track

they are farmable at hero track

they areonly priop on myth track

[gleaming glen]

is this trinket worth picking ?

[toxic zephyr]

that leech is mega

wowhead says its one of the alternat trinkets to pick

[hard tusk]

Is 11k dps worth losing haste?

I think the haste is more surviveability here with no backfires losing 3k a stat..

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rNW4kZziEDGfEKYrhfLf6H

[nimble grail]

So do you think neck even being 626 capped it more worth than gloves (upgradable to 636) even in the long term for m+ push ?

[toxic zephyr]

how are you siming 1.552m dps?

[lusty grotto]

hes doing the wrong sim

5 mins 5 target

should be 1 min or 1.5 mins not 5

[toxic zephyr]

was going to say haha. this was mine https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dB5fhf8kUaxhxaFEvnxKiw

need to change mine, mines 5 mins aswell

[lusty grotto]

Patchwerk (5) means hes doing 5x Patchwerks

so its a sim for M+, but the duration is wrong

[carmine zodiac]

any kind advice here?

[fresh merlin]

If you’re gonna craft I’d go for the tier

[jagged pier]

i dont know why you would craft a wep

when 369 is just better

regardless of stats

[carmine zodiac]

it's easy to take care of the slot with craft, some other slots cannot be dealt with crafts

that was my state of minde

[fading acorn]

hi, any advice on what i should pick? i mainly play m+. i have crafted embellished bracer so i dont want to take that, so its either a trinket or the neck. the trinkets dont seem that good (but maybe im wrong), and i dont know if the neck is better then other necks on mythic for example

[carmine zodiac]

you would take the weapon then?

[hard tusk]

i took spear meat hook 😄

[pallid quiver]

We hate ilvl smh

[little delta]

trinket or upgrade hands

[faint python]

Hello peeps! I'm having a bad time trying to chose for my vault this week between the Ara-Kara Sacbrood and the Wings of Shattered Sorrow both on Heroic track.

I'm very M+ oriented and i feel like the trinket would be a high DPS boost (I have mid trinkets) but feel like letting go cape since it has an effect and is a very rare loot with an effect that won't be in my hands again while the trinket is farmable.

Do you have any advice?

[fading acorn]

is it good? i see its A tier on wowhead but idk

[hard tusk]

I think the mainstat is really nice. And the proc for ST on bosses helps us alot 🙂

Did 1m without any CDs or procs

[hard tusk]

Ara-Kara is bis for whoever, whatever spec etc. The cloak is BIS aswell with an additional stat/procs. Since cloak is very are, i'd choose it tbh.

[junior raptor]

I'd go with Wings of Shattered Sorrow, since it's so much better than the alternatives
Trinkets you have almost as good options

you cannot go wrong with either pick though. Just praise the loot gods they blessed you 🙂

[halcyon pasture]

Hello. My choices from vault are this or H gloves that I can catalyse for 4 set. What sould I choose?

[ornate ermine]

lol, I have the same Vault, rare neck Hero VS Myth gloves to cata.

[dull jackal]

unsure on this one - trinket or shield (currently have a 584 1/8 veteran shield

[urban portal]

You can get h gloves anywhere

[nimble grail]

I really dont know like passing on the neck seems bad but having an item upgradable to 639 is big

[faint python]

Thank you for your answers, I think i will maybe make the raid before doing my chose but im very oriented to wings 🙂 Have a good day!

[honest hare]

is a hero Swarmlord's Authority (D-tier) better then a Veteran Ara-Kara Sacbrood (S-tier)?

619 vs 606 ilvl wise

[fervent fiber]

do we just want haste into infinity? or is there a breakpoint?

[potent basin]

Swarmlords authority isn’t bad if you need defensive

[little delta]

any input?

[honest hare]

i personaly would take the Hands 🤔

[nimble grail]

I think gloves are the choice to go for the long run tbh

[little delta]

thinking the same.. but never get decent trinket drops..

thanks for the input

[jagged pier]

u wont replace the neck and u dont want tier gloves in the long run

shoulders also bad i guess

but saying gloves are for the long run when u are unlikely to rep[lace ither

is just wrong

[lament crater]

hello, please help 😦

i have maxed hero head set item, ovinax and arakara trinket, 621 ilvl

is that hc trinket worth it or its reallz d tier?

[molten gorge]

have played with and without the swarm trinket, it does do a fair bit of healing, but feels like mostly fluff compared to just having a better dps trinket

imo at least

[graceful kite]

vault so bad i'm rerolling

[nimble grail]

Why wouldn’t I replace the neck ?

[jagged pier]

because the only neck better

[fervent fiber]

whats the lowest key that gives hero track

[jagged pier]

is the same neck on myth track

[graceful kite]

socketed head is insane

[jagged pier]

do u raid mythic?

[cold jacinth]

hey guys

which trinket to choose

[fervent fiber]

lol

[teal laurel]

Sacblood if you don't have it

and I hate you

[fervent fiber]

disgusting

[cold jacinth]

i dont my last trinket was the delve one that gives you block chance 😄

[nimble grail]

No but Emergency Keychain on 639 would not be better than this 626 ?

[cold jacinth]

also what is your opinion on the meat hook trinket?

[vital geyser]

what would u guys go for ? the socket ring ?

[sharp gale]

Shush

Im with it since day 1 in m+ bc sac didn’t drop (it dropped this night in the classical server shutdown key)

[cold jacinth]

im currently running sacbrood and this one, which one should i be aiming for? i run m+s only

[sharp gale]

I don’t know since I have skarmorak trinket in my vault I kinda want to take it

[waxen root]

Does this one apply after ignore pain?

[mental gyro]

Kiss of Death seems to sim pretty high, but is it actually worth it? It doesn't show up on any of the tier lists etc.

[sharp gale]

Did you sim your vault ?

[jagged pier]

u should

[mental gyro]

Yeah I did

[jagged pier]

ppl that ask without simming are annoying

[mental gyro]

understandable. I did sim it, and it sims pretty high but I haven't seen people mention it etc, so I wanted to ask smarter people than me

[jagged pier]

its an okay trinket

[pallid quiver]

It's fine, but delve trink

[jagged pier]

its better than your current ones

[pallid quiver]

So it's capped

[sharp gale]

If it’s the thing higher I think it is bc everything else is capped at hero in his vault

[pallid quiver]

It's why it's not mentioned

[mental gyro]

yeah my current ones are crappy. I'm gonna go with it for this week then. thanks for your help

[queen pendant]

Among those choices, and I am not doing mythic raid, the defensive trinket is worth it? Or is it better swamlord's authority HC? thanks

[sharp gale]

If you have a myth track in the vault don’t forget to add the max upgraded in top gear to have more info to choose

[mental gyro]

will do, thanks!

[sharp gale]

Still with vault sims you have to keep in mind you can’t upgrade above 626 or above, lower if you don’t want to spend these crests on hero, adding more things in topgear helps

Or doing two separate topgear where one you just upgrade at same ilvl (free upgrade) and one you spend

[karmic yacht]

It's hard to know wgat the trinkets are with the names in Spanish 😓

[mental gyro]

ah yeah that makes sense. gonna do that then before I choose 👍

[tawdry fjord]

How bad would it be to drop something like sidearm for pain and gain?
Just to help with some more regen to myself.

And, is there any viable way to go battle scarred vet, or is that just, plain bad?

[queen pendant]

Ceaseless Swarmgland

[sharp gale]

In your question you have the swarmlord or you don’t ? Bc swarmlord is really really strong

[jagged pier]

BSV is bad but u can run it by doing this drop SC and CB and take bolster and BSV

and pain and gain does nothing

[tawdry fjord]

I see i see

[blazing condor]

maybe just me but this links to a locked channel btw

[sharp gale]

It is a locked channel

[karmic yacht]

Swarmgland is average at best, I would probably pass on it unless I needed it to upgrade another trinket for free

[gentle pier]

Guys, do i pick the rare neck before myth pieces eventhough i already have it in champion ?

[nimble grail]

Even if I don’t raid mythic. Would the Emergency Keychain on Myth from vault be better than the rare one on Heroic ?

[jagged pier]

no

[nimble grail]

Okay fair I understand better than why youd go for neck

[jagged pier]

thats a choice for u, if u raid mythic maybe hold off if not your wont replace te neck

[gentle pier]

i will not raid mythic.

[jagged pier]

then its your best neck

wont be replaced same as check and legs

so its your choice

[gentle pier]

even if i get myth neck next week with other stats?

[jagged pier]

yep

[unkempt hazel]

even if I get leg neck?

[jagged pier]

there is no myth track neck with better stats by the way

the vault one is okay

[sharp gale]

With THAT MUCH HASTE

[onyx vessel]

You already have 40% haste

[unkempt hazel]

as an enjoyer of brewmaster i SPIT on that neck

[onyx vessel]

[graceful kite]

good for ww tho

[unkempt hazel]

tru

[jagged pier]

go get a crit vers neck then

[unkempt hazel]

its so weird that ww loves haste now

[nimble grail]

Isn’t it good for the Blasphemite to have one of a kind ? I am a bit lost bc on wowlogs the top prot war only go for Haste Crit gems everywhere

[sharp gale]

I’ll too prep a brew starting this week funny huh

[unkempt hazel]

no more same bis for ww and brm

[onyx vessel]

Brewmaster in prot channel

[unkempt hazel]

sorry I like it here

I'll get my prot rolling eventually but been extremely lazy

[sharp gale]

We all are brew enjoyers at some point, not having to maintain anything to mitigate and being able to dodge bosses mecs is fun

[onyx vessel]

Hows that 5% haste

[tawdry fjord]

i thought brew was shit x) must have been sleeping

[unkempt hazel]

excuse me?

(old screen but still silly)

[sharp gale]

Just nobody plays brew there is as much brew in lower key than over 10s (7%) it’s not similar with pal prot

[unkempt hazel]

even in brew channels I spot ppl mentioning thane being fun

[sharp gale]

Thane is fun brrr lightning

[unkempt hazel]

stop stealing our ppl

grrr

[dark dagger]

Anyone has experience with the Void Pactstone Trinket? Got it as the only Myth Upgradetrack in the vault at 623. Using a 619 Sac rn which is great but would change my 610 Timewarped Illidan trinket which is doing really well imo with 40% uptime. Any experience anyone?

[opal forum]

pwar and brew are clearly the 2 chads of tanking

[unkempt hazel]

one is raging maniac other is a drunkard

it kinda makes sense

[kindred star]

Hey cuties. What should I take in your opinion?

[unkempt hazel]

[dark dagger]

Neck seems great imho

[sharp gale]

Would take neck

[eager phoenix]

socket angle if you will be clearing raid on heroic for hero track sureki's and swarmlord's
if you aren't then neck fully upgraded will probably last longest

[sharp gale]

Swarmlord can drop and not a lot of pugs roll for it

Neck everyone will roll

[merry sluice]

I too am a brewmaster enjoyer.

I just don’t wanna main it over DK/warrior

[round cliff]

i like how brewmaster plays but it has 0 impact to its animations or sounds

[sharp gale]

I was doing this night keys as fury just to help a new guild mate, in dawnbreaker do you direct land on any pack ?

[round cliff]

problem with monk in general

[unkempt hazel]

yeah I get that

[round cliff]

windwalker would be the sickest melee spec in the game but then you press fists of fury and ur like WOW

this feels like nothing

it feels worse than nothing actually

[unkempt hazel]

thankfully the spec just feels good so I can kinda ignore that

[round cliff]

negative impact sounds

[unkempt hazel]

I just imagine its a flurry of bitchslaps

makes it kinda better

[gusty cypress]

So I have the option for Sureki 626 in vault or set piece 616 Hero track, I take the neck right?

[sharp gale]

A rare item everyone rolls for it or something you can have in 7s and upgrade it to 616

[unkempt hazel]

tuff

[gusty cypress]

Real tough guy, but thank you for the answer

[unkempt hazel]

he aint wrong tbf the choice is pretty clear

[gusty cypress]

Well, not to someone who plays a lot 🙂

Doesn't

[unkempt hazel]

I was so confused

[gusty cypress]

Yeah me too

You really flipped me xD

[unkempt hazel]

what do u expect from someone looking like this

[gusty cypress]

Fair, but thank you for the answer

[quartz viper]

Is devastator swing timer still a thing to track

[ionic fern]

No.

[lofty veldt]

Gamers why is the sound of shield slam so satisfying

Bonk bonk bonk bonk

[hard tusk]

Top rio is playing colossus. How much of a difference is colossus to mountain thane?

[ionic fern]

We don't really care about "top rio" or what they do..historically they are just fotm re-rollers who play with decent enough people and have a proper dungeon knowledge to get away with anything.

Colossus will deal more damage if played properly,but will also be leas tanky.

Less tanky*

[hard tusk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHXqKNj62kQSdjf92YBttH

Colosuss gave 400k more damage 😮

killing faster = better surviveability no?

[ionic fern]

Yes,that's been established ages ago that colossus is more damage between the two.

[hard tusk]

less damage taken

[ionic fern]

It generates less rage,and a hefty part of its damage comes from spamming Revenge.

This in turn means that you will have less value out of Indom/AM and less casts of IP.

[south zealot]

talent indomitable immediately

[ionic fern]

That's a whacky build now that i look at it.

[solar crown]

Do we still need an addon to mute character sounds? like the grunts and stuff my vulpera is constantly screaming while using skills

or is it an ingame option somewhere

[potent tree]

Playing without spell block in some dungeons seem very scary

[potent tree]

Pretty sure u need an addon or wa still

[hard tusk]

Yodas build looks good. https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAVVRRFVgEFKSURBENVVFEVRUFUYVUUCEAEVVVUCQQ

Which one is better to take?
Spell Block or Bolster 1?

[opal forum]

you can totally play colossus if that makes you happy, but every big prot war main here (nom, sense, mwahi, nimchip etc) will tell you that thane is better for m+

[solar crown]

sad panda.. but thank you 🙂

[hard tusk]

I am going to keep playing mountain thane. It's OP 😄

But i see so many now getting ravager and still have Battle scarred veteran

som goes roar some goes champions spear

[potent tree]

It’s fine to dab into colossus, it’s kinda fun even. But if u are pushing keys, probably just go thane on those

[opal forum]

as for the talents, you can look on icyveins or wowhead, they are made respectively by mwahi and nom

[hard tusk]

I see that mwahi and nom are skipping battle scarred veteran. Which have saved me ALOT of times 🙂

[opal forum]

in thane you want to go spear and ravager and send them together

[cloud monolith]

Hi, someone have idea what i need to take? I play only M+

[unkempt hazel]

what u need is bigger shoulders

[maiden nimbus]

Is there anything we can pure intervene this season (eg, assuming no storm shield talent)

[toxic geyser]

anyone got a macro to cast @cursor for Champ Spear when talented and just cast thunderous when that's talented?

currently putting @cursor in my one bricks it when talented into TR

[molten gorge]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar; [known:Champion's Spear, @cursor] Champion's Spear

[toxic geyser]

cheers, wasnt putting @cursor inside the same brackets, ty

[molten gorge]

np

[round cliff]

what's the effective cd of shield wall

after an average amount of cdr

[earnest cove]

~1min

[molten gorge]

knew I'd seen him mention it somewhere

[round cliff]

is entering a pack the best time to use it?

is it just so u have to worry less about backshots as ur grouping up

[opal forum]

war are extremely tanky outside of the opener

[graceful kite]

most of the time

[opal forum]

so yes at the begining unless specific mechanics

[round cliff]

also is this just describing the different ways to do the opener depending on what u have

ie demo shout OR shield charge last stand OR shield wall

cuz ur surely not pressing on all at once

[opal forum]

u send all those things on CD

[round cliff]

ive been using last stand as like

idk a last stand

not nearly on cd

[opal forum]

i didnt saw last stand my bad

you use it when things dont go as planned

[round cliff]

like a personal rally

[opal forum]

yes

its not that great anymore

so its my panic button

but demo and shield charge on CD

[round cliff]

what do i do if i wanna pull multiple packs cuz that's when i usually press shield wall
charge, shield wall, tclap for initial aggro and keep moving to next pack

[round cliff]

yea i do this

[opal forum]

well, im not one of the best wars of this discord, but it kind of depends of your situation

like of course dont send ur shield wall when ur kitting and take close to no damage

[round cliff]

yea didn't think about that

[opal forum]

you need to follow ur instinct a little bit and adapt on the situation in m+

[round cliff]

if things are clapped i prob won't be taking dmg past the first autos

[opal forum]

its not like a raid boss where every pull is the exact same

[sick sentinel]

Hi guys i found ara kara sacbrood 623 i should upgrade to 639?
prot warrior

[mellow surge]

hey guys, as prot what do we open as?

[broken light]

what is the general consensus on which loot spec to open vault with?

if i have 636 onehand/shield should i still open vault with prot ?

[molten gorge]

it's crazy to me how many questions get ask that could be answered in 30seconds with the search function

[opal forum]

look pinned messages

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank#opener

[abstract pilot]

[main walrus]

fellow tank hello ! i've got a not too bad vault but i'm really struggling what item to pick, simming did not help so much https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5HsaRW1b3cf6zWEeNrQnfM, shouldn't the wrist be the best option here because it has gem slot ? is that really valuable ?

[burnt bane]

Im trying to figure out my cooldowns for the tankbuster in master machinists in stonevault, does anyone have any advice on how to order things? also is the DR from spell reflect enough mitigation by itself (for the tankbuster) or should I be using spell reflect + something else?

[maiden nimbus]

On siege do you need to be right up against the pillar to dodge the tidal waves or can I be far out and just in the path line of the pillar?

[ionic fern]

Depends on the key level. Full IP + dstance + an appropriate defensive.

[ionic fern]

You can be slightly out,just not too far.

You don't need to stand in the water if that helps .

[maiden nimbus]

Okay thanks - yeah it does, just wondering how much space I have to aim the frontal when it stacks with the tidal wave

[hard tusk]

I do not see any guides regarding races that are updated / mentioned when it comes to Earthern race. They give armor increased from items. Is that not so good?

[strong forum]

All dmg reductions are multiplicative so it doesn't really matter where in the equation it is, the effective dmg reduction remains the same

[hard tusk]

Titan-Wrought Frame: Base armor from equipped items is increased by 10%.

i mean prio upgrade loot is armor due to stats and armor i assume. Additional 10% must be pretty good defensively, no?

[strong forum]

As it says, base armor, meaning it's just flat armor gain for a few thousand

It's not a total 10% armor gain

[pallid quiver]

it should be

[strong forum]

But no, it's not very impactful defensively considering we do have armor mulitpliers and block ontop of that

Armor itself isn't why ilvl is good, it's strength armor stamina and just more stats

[onyx vessel]

Wheres the 5 prot warrior keys nome

[tawdry dirge]

does the trinket tuning change anything we are hunting for?

[jagged girder]

I'm checking wowhead's opener section and it talks about using taunt + avatar + shield block. Does the taunt add something else than ensure you mantain the aggro on pull? Asking beacause I would like to know if this applies to m+ where maybe would be better to save taunt in case some dps wants to burst a random add

[tawdry dirge]

u can reset taunt with leap

and have aoe taunt too

[jagged girder]

Good to know, but it gives you something else than ensuring you maintain aggro on a single add? Like rage or damage reduction?

[tulip remnant]

If you doubt that passive threat will not hold agro, use a taunt. It’s in the opener bc everyone is slamming CDs on pull and it prevents one of your melee getting domed.

[strong forum]

Nope, just threat

[merry sluice]

Less important for trash pulls

More useful for boss, and especially pulling in raid if you’re the tank starting on pull.

Some of our buttons we press in opener (like demo shout) won’t cause immediate threat gain. So it both ensures you hold threat until shield charge/spear/demolish

But also makes sure whatever you’re already doing like ravager benefits form the massive threat boost

[broken beacon]

hey ppl as we talking about taunt does it have a duration? like gives you some moments to generate threat for example challengin shout has 6 sec or its just for that 1 moment you press it?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tulip remnant]

It has a duration.

[merry sluice]

It makes the mob focus you regardless of current threat table

And it also increases the aggro you do to the mob to like 400% for the duration

[broken light]

just got rashanan cloak is it better on a dps in a mythic+ or do you guys think i should keep it?

[broken beacon]

thank you all

[neon elk]

Which wep ench we play in m+ ? Guides leans towards depths but to me radiand power is rather better ?

[formal meadow]

do we craft main wep first or the shield?

[vital geyser]

guys, what you think just go with arakara? mine is 8/8 619

[kind urchin]

I would go with the sacbrood in a heartbeat. But that's just me.

[marble sundial]

ncie ring

[vital geyser]

the socket one? yea I was thinking about it but I kinda lack vers idk

[eager phoenix]

u dont need vers

[sleek echo]

Do we feel like Refracting Aggression Module has any utility pushing into keys at 12-13 range? trying to cope and think of times the shield could be useful so i dont doom too hard about my vault 😦

[sharp gale]

You don’t need vers but vers almost = haste in m+…

[cloud solstice]

Saw few questions towards my stats and vers pick over crit. Can say that i do not believe that crit is better deff stat than vers and as long as i will not die as a tank we will time key anyway, there is no point to risk. Also doing 13s with 620 ilvl while others are already 625-628 or higher means that i am more squishy so compensating it by vers also.
P.S. Also dont wanna waste a lot of gold to recraft to crit and after back to vers all the time

[pallid quiver]

I mean, more power to you, but in M+, the largest source of damage coming on you as a tank are melees and attacks that are parriable

which crit gives

[graceful kite]

but things that will kill you will be the unblockable ones

[pallid quiver]

It really doesn't matter as long as you have ilvl; even haste is outclassed by just having more stats

[pallid quiver]

If the unparriable thing kills you, the tank, who has multiple layers of defensives and ability to not die,

there is no amount of vers that will save you from that fuck up

[graceful kite]

same with a parriable thing

I don't care about a crit vers debate I sim for damage and not doing hard keys

[sharp gale]

And no amount of crit, it’s a %, useless if the parry is not successful

Vers is always applied

[pallid quiver]

Crit is literally just as reliable as vers; if you parry 30% of attacks, you are taking 30% less attacks on average

You never count on vers or crit stacking to save you, because there's nothing you need saving from like that with the entire rest of your kit

[waxen cradle]

hey guys need a second opinion, simming said Spare Meat Hook, but I kind of disagree

[main walrus]

what about magic damage then ? that's what i struggle with

[sharp gale]

That’s what we struggle with, don’t care about melee you have a shield to block

[turbid shuttle]

crit gives more defensive value on average, but only applies to things you're already strong against. vers applies to the things you're weakest against as well. that's why it's about even. pick whatever you prefer. secondary stat min-maxing provides negligible value add regardless.

[main walrus]

that trinket slaps th

[pallid quiver]

Have you tried pressing your buttons? Magic damage hasn't been a problem for Prot War other than the exact kind of magic damage every tank has problems with

We have shield wall and SR just by default, followed by being able to buffer HP with LS + IV, and that's before we even have spell block

We have more problems with bleeds at the current moment, which is also another damage type that is specifically made to hurt tanks

[sharp gale]

Go dwarf

If you really want to minmax

[sweet summit]

if vers makes you sleep better at night then more power to you i guess

[pallid quiver]

that's what I was sayin', Erga

Neither is going to realistically influence your survival, and they're both not bad for damage

[waxen cradle]

@main walrus So Meat Hook still better than GBatol trinket after nerfs for tank

[pallid quiver]

as long as people don't go shit-bonkers over stacking vers to the extent of sacrificing ilvl, you're fine

[sweet summit]

yep yep

[main walrus]

oh i don't know about that, i just wanted to show you that it slaps xD

what nerfs for tank

[pallid quiver]

They remembered to add it to the "DPS trinkets nerfed for tanks/heals"

It wasn't initially under that umbrella

[main walrus]

i have 8% vers, and i feel that's not enough because when i used to tank it was about that! can you please tell me what to sim so i could figure this for myself ? i donn't want to sim for damage, i want to sim for " tankiness " is that even a thing ?

[waxen cradle]

yeah which makes me wonder if GBatol trink is the play since its lines up with Ravager and Spear well

[pallid quiver]

It's not possible to sim for defensiveness, since it 100% depends on the damage profile coming in

[main walrus]

so i am just simming for damage

[pallid quiver]

You would have to make a separate sim for every single encounter and method of handling an encounter to do so

All stats are close enough defensively, anyhow

So you might as well sim for damage

[sharp abyss]

Hi guys, what do you think about the usability of this m+ trinket?

[pallid quiver]

The only things that may make you think otherwise is trinkets, but luckily, almost all the defensive trinkets are ass

[pallid quiver]

conveniently timed

[waxen cradle]

Simming still says Meat Hook eeks out more damage but I wonder

[pallid quiver]

unfortunately, downloading more RAM is a little sketch in its activation to start off

[main walrus]

even mastery ? sorry for all the questions i just want to get it straight once and for all as i have a lote of spare items in the bag that i want to get rid off, cluttered mind

[pallid quiver]

Yes; mastery is mostly our worst offensive stat, but it's actually a really good defensive stat and why you want some amount of mastery at all, since crit block is very strong

[merry sluice]

Also don’t forget just bc you have a ‘high mastery %’ does not mean you’re built heavily into mastery

It is valued differently for every spec

[main walrus]

i miss the old times when everyone had a cap to build up to and then dump stats on other things, i'll just focus on crit haste then, thank you ! i'm so undecicive when it comes to loot and it's bugging me

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, with S1 stats, you can comfortably throw everything into haste/crit or haste/vers and be fine at the end of the day

[sharp gale]

Imagine a world where resto Druid has 30% mastery

[pallid quiver]

You can't hit deep enough into any caps for it to matter, so even like bis setups are just everything possible haste/crit

[main walrus]

thank you a lot

[pallid quiver]

Heck, you could even go like straight mastery and still be fine as long as you played well; the amount of defensiveness that is just straight in-built into being a tank spec outclasses any gear optimization you could do

[main walrus]

time to disenchant

[pallid quiver]

Shield Wall, IBF, a literal invulnerability, all kinda put min-maxing haste-vers-crit-mast to shame

[main walrus]

IBF ?

[sharp abyss]

I don't get it.

[hasty palm]

Personally i think that one is insanly strong. No everything is about damage. Sometime it's cool to be à little more chill when you open pack

[pallid quiver]

Icebound Fortitude; I started listing defensives from other tank specs to show the point I was making

[pallid quiver]

I was just talking about tank trinks being bad. Normally, partial absorbs are very strong, hence treemouth from before

But the limitation on its activation can often put it on to CD where you are literally not at threat, wasting more of its benefit

[merry sluice]

Idgaf about stats on any tank i play outside of crying when haste drops for my dk

[inner wren]

refracting is kinda dog being tied to taunt

if your trinkets are bad its ok i guess

[merry sluice]

but sitll raw ilvl is nice in those cases

refracting is useless in raid
'okay' in m+ if its your highest ilvl trinket

imo only defensive trinket i'll ever touch is silken chain this season

[pallid quiver]

While you were talking more about M+, an easy example to see where the trinket can go wrong is a standard tank swap in raid. Those generally go boss wheels up, slaps the hell out of one tank, you taunt, boss now does...

like no damage until the next tank mech

[inner wren]

i'm down for swarmlords as far as defensive trinkets go

[merry sluice]

OR bdk at all

oh no i gripped a mob

[inner wren]

all the other tank trinks are dog doodoo

[merry sluice]

rip its gone

prot paladin bubble taunt 😆

[waxen cradle]

@main walrus Yeah resimmed with special circumstances such as full crests and valorstones and still says meat hook

[merry sluice]

idk how it interacts with brew
probably jank enough it doesnt totally troll them with statue but i wouldnt be surprised...

[sharp gale]

You talk about in ST ? And with which trinkets to compare ? Didn’t follow

[main walrus]

it do be slapping, just make sure you don't fail it or go too far from the target

[waxen cradle]

comparing more overall value between the two, meaning where 1 or the other will see the most value

@sharp gale 613 Meat Hook and 613 GBtol trink

[sharp gale]

I played both at same time since m0 lol I looted last night sacbrood

[waxen cradle]

basically trying to see if I take meat hook from the vault or GBatol trink which has most overall value

[sharp gale]

And got skarmorak 623 in vault making me hesitate

[merry sluice]

i've kidna been a sikran's gamer based on drops

[waxen cradle]

one is basically all ST, and the other lines up great in AoE meaning with our ravager and spear

[bronze wraith]

Is the silken needle worth upgrading ? The best part about it is the attack slow, but it doesn't get better

[sinful light]

Anyone got a good weak aura for when to use spell block in mythic plus if being targeted by something worth using it on?

[carmine zodiac]

I don't raid at all.

1. mythic set chest (I have the 619 hero version)
   or
2. crit/mastery mythic weapon (I have a 626 bis hero weapon atm and can craft 636 next week if needed, and I already have a 636 shield)

What would you pick guys?

[smoky anvil]

I’d go weapon and craft a shield or something.

[carmine zodiac]

I already have a shield, so another part like neck or ring you mean?

[opaque basin]

Tier myth or arakara myth guys?

[smoky anvil]

Yeah. Slot in your weakest piece with something nice. That, or a piece you’re not getting from raid for a while @carmine zodiac

[noble cove]

Myth trink as u gotta catalyst it for set

We all know that trink is good

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVhBv_-MmY

[carmine zodiac]

Any other opinion on this, dudes?

[noble cove]

Gotta watch that when my internet gets better

[noble cove]

I d go for chest and craft shield to 636

[carmine zodiac]

I already have a 636 shield

[tribal wharf]

TLDW ppl are FIENDS

bunch of god damn vultures + scavangers

roaches and rats

[violet ginkgo]

this drama again lul

gonna be popular video yogi

[tribal wharf]

same thing happened when it dropped on +2

or whatever i ran it on

everyone died, i soloed boss from like, 30% 60m hp

drop

NEED NEED

DU U NEED DAY

GIVE ME PLOX

I NEED

[stone meadow]

i know that finger is bad but do i still take it for ilvl lol, it doesnt even give strength

[tribal wharf]

i swear to christ

i dont have it video'd

THEY WERE TRYING TO ROLL IT WITHOUT MY CONSENT

[violet ginkgo]

now what was their expression where you ignore or say no to them?

the rage?

[pallid quiver]

They pay the criminal underworld to assassinate you

[merry sluice]

bruh, reminds me of when i got a rageheart drop in s3
and like 3 healers and a rando ret paladin all demanded i trade it

[violet ginkgo]

[pallid quiver]

on an entirely serious note, i wouldn't even be shocked if someone actually killed someone over loot

[wicked pollen]

im willing to trade any item for price 🙂

[pallid quiver]

People have been that absolutely wretched to each other over loot in my experience over all these years

[tribal wharf]

YOU STOLE MY CLOUD SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

[merry sluice]

ima need some spicy gold offers

[tribal wharf]

i know your part of the mfr's

[merry sluice]

im a draenei moonguard, i can get gold easily

[fair beacon]

Question: is the swarmlord authority trinket from the court bosses (the 7th raid boss) any good on us?

[carmine zodiac]

any other kind advice?
1 person voted for weapon, another voted for chest

[merry sluice]

its a trinket

and it exists

[patent musk]

BRO WHY DO TRINKETS NOT SCALE AT ALL? Normal vs mythic on loot journal, 40 ilevels and only 10% stronger shield, what the actual fuck

[sharp gale]

I’m a death roll addict I can get gold easily too, I just need to get back what I lost promise one more roll and I recover

[pallid quiver]

Because that also comes with main stat that's scaling is a good chunk of the reason

[tribal wharf]

trinkets tend to scale with versatility

terms of dmg

[inner wren]

the shield scales with vers iirc

(and mastery if ur a dumb guardian druid)

[merry sluice]

if its an ilvl upgrade send it
otherwise not really worth

[inner wren]

that being said its still poop

[merry sluice]

the absorb is too small, ohter trinkets do that better
the dmg is bleh, other trinkets do that better

[wicked pollen]

weapon, more dps

[tribal wharf]

so if i have a trinket that hits for 1 million, and i get 10% versa i get like ~10% dmg on the trinket effect

so 1.1 m

[shy python]

Is Zekvir doable as Prot + Dps Brann?

[thorny stone]

yes

[shy python]

Alright

[tribal wharf]

but its not really worth versa maxxing for trinket dmg and "survival"

[fair beacon]

I have "Skyterror's Corrosive Organ" and "Silken Chain Weaver", all same ilvl

[fluid widget]

How is swarmlord in keys? I feel like the perpetual damage reduction matters less in raid (won’t protect you from big hits) but reducing chip damage should be useful over the course of a key right?

[merry sluice]

then its hoenstly a sim yourself angle
but silken chain can have strong defensive value in its active, if that's what you're looking for specifically

[tribal wharf]

i think organ is supposed to be good

its not my top pick but its damn good

[dire cedar]

hmmmge

what do

[inner wren]

i have myth track organ on my druid, it's aight

does around 3% of my overall

[thorny stone]

[stone meadow]

is it still always worth taking higher ilvl trinket even if its vers instead of primary stat (i only had 1 myth track slot)

[wicked pollen]

sim it

[violet ginkgo]

@tribal wharf Yogi don't leave us hanging what is the ending of that +2 sacbrood

[dire cedar]

eh, shoulders are probably the only real option as they're myth over my veterans, just need to snatch a hero helm somewhere for tier 4set

[stone meadow]

its a mega downgrade 🤣

[wicked pollen]

so then listen to the robot

could always be a socket angle

so sim that

[gilded nymph]

is this worth for vault loot over mythic items ?

[inner wren]

unless your myth track is full wis, no

[stone meadow]

prob is socket angle regardless, everything else is hero track pieces that i can farm in keys

thanks

[wicked pollen]

sim the socket as well

[vale karma]

are you guys speccing wrecking throw this week?

or it's not worth it

[wicked pollen]

im going to say its not worth dropping 2 points for something your dps can do easily

[shadow haven]

do u have to be in prot spec to get it?

[inner wren]

was told it wasn't worth, and in my testing doesn't really seem worth

[grim pilot]

No

[shadow haven]

thank you soldier boy

🫡

[stone meadow]

0.3% upgrade ish on the socket, 1.8% upgrade if i take the mace in the vault but I can spam some dungeons for a hero track weapon

my 1 hand is currently veteran

[faint maple]

Spammed dng and pal forget to change loot so give me hero track 1h😅

[heavy sparrow]

Can we talk trinket BIS?

[jagged pier]

we can

u might not like the answers

[tribal wharf]

the real answer is sim yourself

[tribal wharf]

i tend to go by combination of feel and bloodmallet

[stone meadow]

hahaha

unlucky

[shadow haven]

swarmlord authority C 😮

[heavy sparrow]

I do

[tribal wharf]

BM

[jagged pier]

i mean u can just read the explanation bit to under stand why x trinket is in x place

[heavy sparrow]

I see why

Mid to low tier is defensives

Mid to high tier are damage oriented and less about survivability

[merry sluice]

well, with the exception of silken chain

defensive trinkets just generally s u c k

[lusty grotto]

theres a reason for that

yeah there you go

[heavy sparrow]

How do @lusty grotto

How do*

So*

[lusty grotto]

see 1 line above

[jagged pier]

well its more because defensive trinkets are bad and wont save you plus for 99% of content u dont need defensive trinkets

[heavy sparrow]

Well yeah

Here to learn though

Isn't defensives utility

[inner wren]

i'll take whatever poopy trinkets i can get

[next yacht]

any suggestions besides sim yourself?:)

[surreal steppe]

without knowing your current gear, no

[lusty grotto]

no defensives isnt utility

[heavy sparrow]

Like Swarm Lords does misc damage and passive ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

and again, the defensive options suck

not because they are defensive

[next yacht]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Gublins

[lusty grotto]

but because they just suck

[merry sluice]

heavy dmg and or stat loss for very little, or situational defensive gain

Take refracting as an example. Useless in raid since almost anytime you taunt the boss, you don't need the absorb.
In m+, silken chain will provide far more defensiveness on the exact same cd

[heavy sparrow]

I see where you are coming from

[carmine zodiac]

usually, the only defensive trinkets who are dope are the ones who offer a cheat death mechanism

[heavy sparrow]

Can I give you my user

To sim

[lusty grotto]

[merry sluice]

and in m+ you'll often throw out a taunt just to grab aggro on a mob at range (don't need the absorb)
or to grab a mob some dps zugzugged too much

[zealous sun]

Stonescale from Dawn was a dope tanking trink

[heavy sparrow]

Mcaulkiner - Moon Guard

[merry sluice]

yesn't

[lusty grotto]

[heavy sparrow]

I'm running 2 LVL C trinkets right now

[merry sluice]

stonescale was good if you were doing content where you were genenuinely at risk of being oneshot (which did not apply to 99% of players)

[carmine zodiac]

Do your sim urself dude, dont ask people to do it for you

[merry sluice]

in any other situation (especially in s4 where the ilvl drop was significant) the loss of mainstat on stonescale actively made you squishier

[vale karma]

@carmine zodiac how do you sim tankiness tho?

[carmine zodiac]

Stonescale was gigachad during S3

[merry sluice]

stonescale was far less costly in s3, i will not argue there

[carmine zodiac]

You can't, you sim damage in several situations and think by yourself

[merry sluice]

but in s4 it was...

very overrated

[zealous sun]

thats the only cheat death trinket i can think of really

[lusty grotto]

as it turns out, we benefit in equal parts from both offensive and defensive contributions to stat gains and ilvl increases, so simming damage is indirectly simming for "tankiness" up to a point

and again, you cant "sim tankiness"

not directly

[heavy sparrow]

Hm

[carmine zodiac]

the more damage you do the shorter mobs are, the tankier you are 😄

[inner wren]

lets all agree to never use charge again, it's better for our knees

[red otter]

This theory is FALSE because you go into the next pack right after

[merry sluice]

like 95% (even more arguably) of your tankiness will come from raw ilvl
proper and better cd usage
smarter/more optimal pulls
cc being used
and then after all of those, finally stats

[red otter]

Tank ilvl is a meme

[lusty grotto]

so?

[red otter]

its all skill for tanks

[lusty grotto]

its not a meme

but yes skill is more important

[heavy sparrow]

I can see this 100%

[merry sluice]

and if you takn pack 1 longer, you spend more cds on it
if you tank pack 1 shorter, you have more to spend on pack 2

if pack 1 dies faster
you can pull pack 2 smaller

[inner wren]

mfw my guard druid gets double anima slashed through barkskin for 80% of his health

imagine if i had 2 mill less hp

[heavy sparrow]

So really we need damage trinkets then

[lusty grotto]

its not a "theory"

lmao

kinda wild

[red otter]

Its a meme cause casuals think ilvl > skill

while many skilled tanks do keys way lower than normal ilvl

[lusty grotto]

no

casuals think secondaries > skill

[red otter]

thats also true

[lusty grotto]

the usual problem here is that we cannot stop telling people to just go ilvl over everything else because they keep trying to "fine tune" their stats over it

[wicked pollen]

but just go ilevel

[merry sluice]

noone said ilvl > skill

i said ilvl and better cd usage, which also implies gameplay, including CC and routing. All of which is

most certainly

skill

[red otter]

No one said that anyone here said so.

[inner wren]

who you even talking to then

[red otter]

I said casuals. The people you wouldn't find in a class discord and rather a +5 key.

[paper raven]

are warriors supposed to be self sufficient healing wise as DKs or druids are?

[lusty grotto]

no

we're a mitigating tank

you mitigate

[zealous sun]

just ingore the pain

[covert nova]

to angry to get hurt

[lusty grotto]

proactive mitigation is what prot excels at

if you want something that can heal reactively after damage taken, see those 2 and/or prot pally

[unkempt hazel]

scream your wounds away

[heavy sparrow]

So instead of 1 pack, it becomes 1 pack all the time. So 1 pack, 1.5 pack, 1 pack, and 1 pack again

[lofty veldt]

https://i.imgur.com/KWhw2Jh.jpeg

should i go for the hero track shield

the 616 chest is tier also so idk

[merry sluice]

I was more implying in m+, if your group kills things faster, you don't have to pull as crazy to meet timer

ontop of ofc, taking less dmg bc trash died

[vale karma]

I feel like if you groups kills things faster you just pull bigged no? 😄

[lusty grotto]

why does it matter if there's a pack after

[paper raven]

also, why doesn't impending victory activate after every mob death? Do I need to be the one to do the killing blow

[heavy sparrow]

Just stack shield slam and ignore pain on a ./cast macro, so you can just shield block

[lusty grotto]

no

dont do that

you will rage starve

and thats a huge fucking nono

[merry sluice]

my colossus playin' ass could never

[twilit burrow]

Is this too much haste? lol