so just send everything like avatar demo spear and ravager once its ready and roll your defensives
#protection
graceful kite
pallid quiver
or you completely ignore it because raid barely hurts outside of like, ansurek liquefy, princess gash, taka poison bolts if not mitigated
queen hemlock
have dbm but am told its a weakaura?
an icon appears telling you wha tto kick
maybe on rotation or someethin
lofty veldt
i should macro champion's spear
tepid nacelle
also dont forget that demo shout is nearly as good as shield wall and on a much shorter cd 🙂
graceful kite
~~or you completely ignore it because raid barely hurts outside of like, ansurek...
I dunno liquefy is kind of a joke
lofty veldt
have dbm but am told its a weakaura?
an icon appears telling you wha tto kick
ma...
maybe plater
graceful kite
I sometimes forgot to use anything and tanked boss with 500% debuff on hc
was alright
pallid quiver
I dunno liquefy is kind of a joke
It does some numbers on mythic according to dungo journal
graceful kite
5 mil blocks
lofty veldt
powerful gamer
pallid quiver
It was so funny seeing how much they cranked that shit for mythic specifically
graceful kite
It does some numbers on mythic according to dungo journal
feast heal absorb on mythic is funny
pallid quiver
I should have watched RWF last boss, because that entire fight just seemed funny
queen hemlock
maybe plater
have that as well
lofty veldt
have that as well
do you have a specific profile for it? or just vanilla
oh wait you said icon
my bad
queen hemlock
copied a few before to try, they generally just show cds and what not, not a pop up icon telling me kick/front etc
lofty veldt
i usually use quazii's plater to know what to kick
queen hemlock
there was an audio cue
lofty veldt
his uses different colored castbar depending on priority kicks
inland raft
time for the 2 seconds of dopamine followed by dissapointment
violet ginkgo
time to try to get into area 52 6 times in a row and fail
not vault disappointment time?
toxic pewter
I am trying to be dissapointed but area 52 wont let me in
restive oak
just been at 80% loading for like 90 secs lol
toxic pewter
area 52 life
everyone already in and killed 4 raid bosses already
meanwhile we stuck on loading screen LOL
inland raft
vers mastery weapon with avoidance, no haste but cant complain about a weapon i guess
toxic pewter
grats on weapon
indigo scaffold
time for the weekly "whats the best thing to get in my vault guys"
frozen quartz
is a mythix larynx good
green bronze
EU guys, did you also get a weekly quest for 2 delves?
tiny oriole
EU guys, did you also get a weekly quest for 2 delves?
yes
jagged pier
EU guys, did you also get a weekly quest for 2 delves?
yes
green bronze
do we have to do it till reset?
tiny oriole
I doubt, would be weird
Any EU tank around 2k rating willing to tank Siege 7? Cant find a tank for a long time now
indigo scaffold
they gave a dungeon quest that's not in the rotation kek
versed widget
green bronze
guess will do it just in case, need all the gold i can get
toxic pewter
damn got 2 weapons in my vault
twilit burrow
decisions
toxic pewter
osnap mad queens mandate trinket
sweet summit
nocturne spindle
myth meathook do sound juicythough
inland raft
meathook is meh since the nerf
sweet summit
chat what's the affx this week
nocturne spindle
its still one of the better trinkets
sweet summit
dpeed
wide pilot
is there no catalyst this week?
sweet summit
is there no catalyst this week?
next week
inland raft
free stats are free stats
loud wave
Dk You Guys open vault as prot or arms ? If i need trinkets IT would be better to open as arms i guess
mighty valley
speed makes basically no difference at all but it makes me smile to see the stat, so i'd take that
inland raft
prot if need shield, arms if need trinkets
inner wren
🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
vocal portal
when simming GV, what do you guys use for settings?
smoky anvil
quite pleased given everything else was garbage
restive oak
it's either take crit/mast myth track shield, or myth tier chest, and double craft 636 shield weapon
i think it's the tier chest honestly
sick sentinel
jagged pier
thats not even a choice its the neck
weak juniper
Just take the Myth trinket right for Prot? Though the rare heroic neck looks slightly tempting.
jagged pier
u gunna raid mythic?
green bronze
im so fucking scared to open vault as prot this week, would feel so bad to take myth shield when i already crafted 636 one, but no other choice it seems
weak juniper
No
inner wren
im so fucking scared to open vault as prot this week, would feel so bad to take ...
just think of it as long term gains even tho kinda blows short term
fervent dune
in m+, what do i do when my health is at like 20% and im on the verge of dying perma. what can i do to recover that situation?
jagged pier
u shouldnt be in that situation in the frst place
we are a preemtive class
not a reactive one
plush pagoda
would yall go myth track hands or heroic seal of poisoned pact? currently have hero track hands & champion ring.
jagged pier
if your hp has gotten low then your doing somthing wrong
fervent dune
u shouldnt be in that situation in the frst place
bro thanks so much for that super helpful response
green bronze
just think of it as long term gains even tho kinda blows short term
ye, you are right, but feels bad still
marsh axle
what u guys pick in that position, the 2 trinkets are good and the tier i have are all champions too :/
inner wren
ya without a doubt
fervent dune
legit youre the best
inner wren
i feel u
restive oak
is there a such thing as too much haste?
torpid merlin
would it be better to take myth track tier (already have 4 piece) or an a-tier myth track trinket? (no i cant sim right now)
restive sage
bro thanks so much for that super helpful response
its the only helpful response
twilit burrow
decisions
Do i not just take queens mandate? Im the lowest prio in raid and we just AOTC'd Sunday so i prob wont see it. Pants drop from Bloodbound which we got to 50% sunday so i can cataylst those and Spare meat hook got nerfed
twilit burrow
would it be better to take myth track tier (already have 4 piece) or an a-tier m...
Depends how likely you can get the myth track tier or catalyst something into it
paper granite
vault blows, mythic pact stone, hero swarmgland, hero transmitter.
torpid merlin
Depends how likely you can get the myth track tier or catalyst something into it
weekly 10s, im an m+ only player
chrome lance
To all those opening your vaults. My the odds be ever in yer favor. 😄
twilit burrow
Prob still trinket since its the bigger dps increase
torpid merlin
the trinket seems pretty good for m+ though, Oppressive Orator's Larynx
torpid merlin
Prob still trinket since its the bigger dps increase
thank you 🙂
jagged pier
so its not helpful at all
general open ended questions get general open ended answers, its likely if you are finding yourself at 20% u are doing something wrong very wrong or pulling too much or a combnation of both.
but we cant tell without logs if you want proper help provide logs and we can give feedback on how to improve.
if you drop low use a hp pot
is the only bit of advice i can give form your general question
quasi pivot
Am I being stupid here or is it worth opening as Arms just to get a 2h to trigger discounted upgrade path on my existing 1h and shield>?
Vs upgrading 1h and shield independantly and hoping for a good shield from vault
jagged pier
well u want a myth track shield if u cant get one easily from raid boss one
then opening as arms isnt the right call
if u can
then sure
much better to open as arms
vivid orchid
quasi pivot
Probably another 1-2 weeks for M+ Myth track, dont have enough hours to get to +10 easily right now
So just focused on heroic track gear for now
inner wren
this man just got the brood dickies
waxen frigate
Real
hexed pumice
how bad is this trinket
jagged pier
Bad
hexed pumice
its this or a boots
jagged pier
jagged pier
Other tanks want it for ultra key pushing or did at one point. and its like the weakest for us so we dont really care cause block
indigo scaffold
what's the easiest dungeon to farm legs? MoTS?
green bronze
how bad is this trinket
850k total absorb, feels really bad
hexed pumice
well, boots it is
green bronze
good boots only drop from 1 dungeon this season, so boots is not too bad i guess
quasi pivot
Welp got a 616 2H so that's not bad, can upgrade my 1h+shield now
boreal shuttle
smth offtopic: Guys whats the thing about Demolish Prot Roar build against mountain spear?.. saw some ppl doing demolish build.. is it squishier?
quasi pivot
jagged pier
smth offtopic: Guys whats the thing about Demolish Prot Roar build against mount...
Squisher but playable
And does slightly more dam
rain light
what a weird trinket
jagged pier
It bad
rain light
I forgot to play last week oops
jagged pier
Oof
mental pecan
myth track tier or trink? help
jagged pier
Well the trinket is dogshit
boreal shuttle
is it worth playing or keep spear mountain build?
wooden widget
would you guys ever use a mad queens mandate as prot?
jagged pier
is it worth playing or keep spear mountain build?
They are very close u can play which ever u lile best
mental pecan
Well the trinket is dogshit
yea it looks stinky didnt it get buffed tho
jagged pier
would you guys ever use a mad queens mandate as prot?
Yes
jagged pier
yea it looks stinky didnt it get buffed tho
Still dogshit
No idea why they put dodge ona trinket again
Fucking garbage
mental pecan
indigo scaffold
I have champ track sacbrood and hero track chelicera. Is it worth to get the skarmorak shard or do i get the neck for i lvl?
stiff peak
would you guys ever use a mad queens mandate as prot?
Yea
bronze wraith
Has anyone seen the delve shield that gives you a magic shield when you take damage from a school of magic ?
jagged pier
Yes its bad
bronze wraith
Oh that sucks. I was thinking it might be ok for fights like silk court
bronze wraith
Oh shit
jagged pier
Not worth loosing stats or stam
violet ginkgo
gg myth sacbrood
bronze wraith
So i can get a 619 hate vers ring or treacherous transmitter or foul behemoth
unique wyvern
13 ilvl back upgrade or hero track chest tier?
Have champion track maxed ATM so hero track would 4/6 waiting for crest upgrade
bronze wraith
Is foul behemoth any good?
raw parcel
Does dawnthread stack with another dawnthread embellish? It's showing only one in the tooltip icon thing.
jagged pier
Yes but its a little buggy u need to drop below 80 and go back above to reset the buff
raw parcel
Woot! Thanks, that worked.
chilly brook
I have champ track sacbrood and hero track chelicera. Is it worth to get the ska...
sim it
rain walrus
What are current thoughts on Ceaseless Swarmgland? Is is mid tier offensive/defensive trinket?
covert saffron
Hey there, needs some advice on Vault. Is the Poison Pact ring so strong that a veteran version would beat a heroic sac?
timid venture
Alright this is the come up of the century
coarse lynx
im cursed with trinkets
i have 2 bad 603's and my vault has a 616 detachable fang that im considering now
frozen egret
There is a haste cap for prot warriors? Im at 31% 17,700 haste. Should i swap some haste for some versa/crit instead?
idle tartan
when do you go Into the fray?
lusty grotto
There is a haste cap for prot warriors? Im at 31% 17,700 haste. Should i swap so...
no
you cant reach it this season, so haste away
lusty grotto
when do you go Into the fray?
around 35-40% is recommended
frozen egret
you cant reach it this season, so haste away
well, ty
versed talon
is the overclocked gear a rang good?
bleak breach
None of this matters because hot and spicy is back at my local kfc
vale bobcat
hm, hands would be a bigger ilvl upgrade but everyone wants the trinket and my trinkets are doodoo
lusty grotto
thats a pretty easy choice
bleak breach
hm, hands would be a bigger ilvl upgrade but everyone wants the trinket and my t...
Hmmmmmmmm that’s a tough one.
vale bobcat
the duality of man
vale bobcat
unlikely yea
crude notch
Hi everyone long time lurker, first time commenter. Did the buffs to Egg change it's standing? Myth Egg or Myth Sac, I'm guessing Sac.
crude notch
Alright the robot says Sac. I was just stalling
bleak breach
I use both
crude notch
wow frick u guy
bleak breach
But I guess depends what your other trink is
crude notch
Yes
crude notch
Imma go get a pack of cigs brb
bleak breach
I’m sure Yogi will do keys with you Nim
limpid plaza
thin finch
anyone knows which of those shields is better?
lusty grotto
whichever is highest ilvl
thin finch
both have same ilvl
lusty grotto
the not the escutcheon
thin finch
tks
indigo scaffold
around 35-40% is recommended
35% base haste or 35% with ITF talented?
round pendant
man
lusty grotto
unbuffed
round pendant
Arms feels so weird
lusty grotto
what kind of question is that
"when should we swap to ITF" "do you mean with haste with ITF?" 🤔
indigo scaffold
it was an honest question cause i thought it was haste with ITF. thanks for the clarification tho
lusty grotto
maybe im weird but its implied that ITF is not picked
dark cosmos
it wasnt that weird a question dude chill out
obsidian basin
Hey guys new to the discord but i do have a big question. (https://www.wowhead.com/item=218125/reactive-webbed-escutcheon) Is this shield any good? its in my vault as hero track so its good ilvl but i also have shoulders that will let me get my 2 piece set and I am trying to decide if its worth it or not.
obsidian basin
oh haha
dumb question but why is it bad? i mean no stats but more magic defense is good on prot right?
lusty grotto
no
it has no stam either
and we dont need magic defense, we have spell block
and reflect
use it if its higher ilvl than what you currently have, otherwise dont
obsidian basin
ok thanks!
dusty raven
Hey guys, what do you think, a trinket which ill gimme 50k dps or i hold a Nerubian Gemweaver to a Myth item, when i got one (maybe next vault) , i'm already 614 and starting to do +9~+10 keys
pulsar sluice
what would you guys take currently still have veteran sacbrood and dont want double on use with swarmlords and khardos
dark cosmos
how do you guys get trinkets in your vault
dusty raven
opening as Arms
dark cosmos
brother ive been arms loot spec since august
dusty raven
lmao
lusty grotto
Hey guys, what do you think, a trinket which ill gimme 50k dps or i hold a Nerub...
socket probably
50k isnt that much
for something you will very likely replace
given that you can replace it
if you cant, then the trinket is probably best
but it sounds like you can
weird though
you didnt get any myth items on this vault?
dusty raven
my best key last week was a 9
fluid widget
50k isnt that much
wait how is 50k dps not good?
fluid widget
ah i see, i missed that part
yeah thats why im gonna grab a mythic ring, haste/vers/leech feels pretty good over soemthing farmable
glacial lynx
Heroic Rash cloak vs Mythic Crit/Mast belt, is the cantrip and not needing to fight for the cloak worth just taking it.
wet forum
can fury spec give 1her in vault?
twilit burrow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t7bHtz4VjdJHS2e5K1HXjV Does this seem right? 2 on use trinkets?
tribal wharf
NO
lusty grotto
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t7bHtz4VjdJHS2e5K1HXjV Does this seem rig...
what are you simming for, what content?
twilit burrow
this was patchwerk but id want for both m+ and raid
tribal wharf
i already fought them , dont want to again
twilit burrow
do i do dungeon slice? it was saying it wasnt supported
lusty grotto
no
twilit burrow
or juist patchwek
wet forum
noice 613 sacbrood
lusty grotto
1 patchwerk will work for both, but if you want a specialized M+ sim, you do 5 target patchwerk 1 min or 1.5 mins
pallid quiver
i dont forget nicknames
he forgot to get the kids from grade school, though, smh
tribal wharf
wjat does this void emisary buff mobs with?/
lusty grotto
yes this is true
twilit burrow
Sorry. yes im stupid
tribal wharf
like the effect and duration mostly
vague abyss
vault advice, im still 2/4 tier, so honestly the only thing good is either get a hero tier set im missing, or pick those hero sword/shields but they arent crit/haste
grim bough
Is there much discussion about the strength of Sureki Zealot Insignia? My vault just offered it to me
lusty grotto
there isnt much discussion to be had
jagged gust
as a tank, pretty awesome
vague abyss
Is there much discussion about the strength of Sureki Zealot Insignia? My vault ...
apparently is super bis for us, a heckton of haste and the effect is really good
grim bough
I took it, seemed nice and rare
vague abyss
I took it, seemed nice and rare
well its actually super rare, yeah xD
tribal wharf
its gotta be ring or candle for me.... right?
lusty grotto
it seems to drop all 3 fucking weeks for us so yeah
tribal wharf
well its calculated
3s 4s give hero 1 gear
takes a 10 to drop myth in vault
im not that competitive
ornate thicket
I see
ornate thicket
I didn't mean his ilvl really more the choices lol
heady niche
thinking belt or candle.. have hero 2pc already. sim says candle but thats dps.
this is just an alt for me, can a wiser warrior give me guidance? 🙂 I just use this toon to sub for my buddy when he wants to dps lol
tribal wharf
thats yogi
he doesnt know lmao
but like, wtf, im not gunna try hard and give my self a heart attack for vault keys
ornate thicket
Well i knew it was yogi
ornate thicket
Not many that change name every other day
tribal wharf
im here for KSM and then once i got the mount i probably leave for a patch or 2
tribal wharf
yeah, just my server nickname
twilit burrow
Is fractured gemstone locket any good?
tribal wharf
and i announced when i was changing my account
its not like, im hiding or something
ornate thicket
The candle is the crit proc?
ornate thicket
You are good brother i wasnt talking shit. I just meant vault selection was rough
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
whoa there
twilit burrow
giggity
heady niche
The candle is the crit proc?
its a haste use
tribal wharf
thats a different candle
heady niche
the one I have on is crit proc champion
ornate thicket
Thought spelunkers was crit proc
tribal wharf
heady niche
sorry I didn't know if you were replying to me
strong forum
If you don't need tier, that silken weaver is really fucking strong defensively
tribal wharf
its crit stat stick and you move to a player and it splits the crit
merry sluice
I fucking SIMP for weaver
heady niche
is it? I'd be double on use with it. the tier there is pretty low ilvl and I'd have to use a cata on something bad lol
mad queen + weaver?lmao
lusty grotto
people really hate double on use eh
sleek wagon
weaver fucks, i used it until i finally got my sacbrood
heady niche
i don't hate it, it just feels.. wrong? haha
toxic pewter
I use it myself, it heals a lot throughout a key and thats not even counting slowing all mobs in front of me's attack speed every 1 min
lusty grotto
🤷
glacial lynx
only raid Heroic so I feel like the belt but I have a hero belt and champ cloak what you guys think
heady niche
thats a good tip, I didn't know that trinket was any good. ty i'll consider that then
ornate thicket
I love dope tank trinkets
ornate thicket
only raid Heroic so I feel like the belt but I have a hero belt and champ cloak ...
Personally the cloak. Can craft a decent belt in a lower stat value slot
But that is a tough one indeed.
pale badge
Are we shattering throwing the affix this week, or leaving it to dps
sorry, wrecking throw
merry sluice
What’s wrong with webbing your enemies 🙂
strong forum
The mob is 1 hp
So you can execute the fuck out of it
And it has very little hp all things considered
merry sluice
So glad I only play brew prot warrior and BDK this week
strong forum
So you wanna kill that thing ASAP cuz the longer it lives the more DR it gives the enemy mobs
tribal wharf
when i saw void emmisary i thought 1 shadow aoe 2 shadow aoes 3 shadow aoes dead
sleek wagon
very easy push week imo
merry sluice
Bc my BDK got sikran’s but not my warrior ;-;
lusty grotto
ok well time to not play warrior for 1 week 🙂
dusky canopy
Damn Naowh just announced no more team echo in mdi/tgp
tepid nacelle
What is the consensus about the Void Pactstone? Good/not good?
lusty grotto
Damn Naowh just announced no more team echo in mdi/tgp
this isnt a surprise
zaelia being their healer
what is a surprise is that it happened now and not before
given the shitstorm revolving zaelia
tribal wharf
i think nwoah should be the full time caster lead for mdi
cuz he has so much knowledge
on that area
lusty grotto
in fact
tribal wharf
him and dratnos
lusty grotto
if i had to put something on why echo didnt perform this RWF
it would be precisely because of the zaelia thing
ornate thicket
Whats the drama with zaelia?
tribal wharf
EGO
lusty grotto
especially as of late
tribal wharf
i think ego inflation is real problem in mmo
ornate thicket
I dont usually keep up with edrama of the streamers
green bronze
fucking hell we have it easy on prot
just tried a 9 on my druid and you have to play out of your mind to survive
dusky canopy
I didnt realize something was happening with their healer
lusty grotto
I dont usually keep up with edrama of the streamers
accusations
dusky canopy
Makes sense then
blissful mirage
Just got swarmlord in the vault. Tested it out on the dummies in dorn. Says "Number of scarabs is increased with haste" but when I take all my gear off it gives me a bigger shield. 2.8m with 615 ilvl but 3.6m with no gear on. Make it make sense please
dusky canopy
that Echo was once part of Method
I was there too grandpa 👴
lusty grotto
which also had a guy called Josh that did the same shit
sand condor
hollow vessel
How are we feeling about Tracherous Transmitter?
dusky canopy
I feel that it’s a trinket
lusty grotto
i feel the same way
sleek wagon
What is the consensus about the Void Pactstone? Good/not good?
i went with my mythic track 623. im tired of not having trinkets
tepid nacelle
im curently using sacbrood and spelunker's waning candle
ornate thicket
Tried to google zaelia drama and it came up with a novel about obsessive girlfriend on twitter he wrote about LOL
lusty grotto
LOL
jagged gust
Ive been using Skyterror's corrosive organ, I'm just terrified of what organ it actually is that's doing all that spraying
dusky canopy
Lmao
raw parcel
just tried a 9 on my druid and you have to play out of your mind to survive
I felt the same trying bear after prot warrior. They have more heals... and they need em, because that hp bar plummets.
zealous goblet
is it worth using a catalyst to turn these into tier to save the avoidance?
tepid nacelle
ok, thanks for the advice. hate when vault choices aren't straight forward haha
dusky canopy
jagged gust
is it worth using a catalyst to turn these into tier to save the avoidance?
catalyst is there to be used
make a bad choice? Who cares, there's another charge in a few weeks
green bronze
I felt the same trying bear after prot warrior. They have more heals... and they...
ye, shit is hard, get so fucking used to receive no damage on prot warr
ornate thicket
is it worth using a catalyst to turn these into tier to save the avoidance?
Yeah myth track and avoid is good. Too bad wasnt leech but tertiary stats are nice
dusky canopy
is it worth using a catalyst to turn these into tier to save the avoidance?
If you do not already have myth track gloves and you’re not holding yourself back from 4pc then yes go for it
dusky canopy
Got a weapon didn’t you squidward
jagged gust
ill just sit on this one until thursday
thats what the girls at the diddy party said
ornate thicket
Damn william went there
lusty grotto
goddamn it will
dusky canopy
Lmao
charred swift
Might as well throw my vault in the ring haha. Hero Track Wings from Rash replacing rando hero track cloak or Mad queen's Mandate hero track replacing Hero track Mark of Khardros (already have sac)
dusky canopy
thats what the girls at the diddy party said
Won’t remember doing it either
lusty grotto
if hell existed im on a 1st class ride there for laughing at that shit
ornate thicket
Two eyebrow raises in 2 minutes. Well done, sir
jagged gust
wont be caught slippin again lmao
lusty grotto
whew, nobody saw it
ornate thicket
I saw what you did
dusky canopy
That’s a weird way to use a saw
native pumice
How many cata charges do we have as of this week
ornate thicket
2
jagged gust
3 next week i think?
ornate thicket
3rd next week
jagged gust
your tier is pretty worthless this season, nothing to worry about
native pumice
Thinking for fury OS, not sure how good it is there either tbh
jagged gust
2%
native pumice
HuGe
jagged gust
yep, truly does not matter
harsh trellis
I wish colossus didnt have a dead tree talent with shockwave
native pumice
Well I do 100m dps overall so it's 2m for me
jagged gust
If you're not pulling like it's preseason are you even tanking?
lusty grotto
facts
cyan drum
Fury going from 0 to 4pc is 2%
yup shitty
honestly i feel like they nerfed fury way too early
jagged gust
nah it follows a pattern
Fury isn't allowed to be good for more than half a season until Arms starts beating it
molten gorge
Meanwhile DK
valid bridge
Does it really matter if we use the crit blasphemite over the movement speed one? 0.15% crit effect seems insignificant
valid bridge
Yeah im thinking id rather the speed
lusty grotto
gotta go fast
sage sun
how come yoda and kira are stacking vers over crit
lusty grotto
because they feel they need it doing their keys
valid bridge
probably just for damage reduction
lusty grotto
basically the same as every season where warrior is a meta pick
i cant talk by yoda though, you might need to check his chuckle guide
but kira might just be preparing for higher keys
merry sluice
🥱 typical aug dying to everything
sage sun
so for high keys vers > crit
south zealot
the idea that prot is piss weak agains tmagic damage
vers reduces magic damage crit doesnt
most of the damage you take is melee
lusty grotto
so for high keys vers > crit
no
south zealot
crit reduces melee damage taken
lusty grotto
but also a lot of us arent in their level so it would be hard to say
yeah well
when you dont run punish
you gotta make up for it somewhere
LOL
harsh trellis
shredders from where
lusty grotto
siege
south zealot
true but also the 5% dr or whatever ur getting from stacking vers
valid bridge
they do hit hard af
south zealot
is not as significant as parrying a ton of melees
south zealot
youre always getting meleed
valid bridge
Your damage intake isn't just about whether youre getting 1 shotted. At high keys it's also about not being a burden on the healer's mana pool
lusty grotto
feelsbad not being dwarf
ornate thicket
Could also be just highest ilvl gear they have.
lusty grotto
couldnt be me
valid bridge
if you suddenly start taking consistently more damage to melee swings all the time, it might suck
south zealot
i mean honestly stats outside of stacking haste means fuck all
just equip the highest ilvl you can get and if ilvl is equal choose haste always
valid bridge
^^^ That seems to be the take. If you look at the top warriors right now by rating, their stats are all over the place. The only consistent trait is haste is their highest stat
so it looks like you can make it work no matter what your crit and verse balance is
keep mastery low
gg
lusty grotto
man i was hoping not to get to this point in the season, "the versa chats"
why keep mastery low
valid bridge
I just mean relative to the other stats
if you have a ton of mastery it probably means its at the cost of haste, crit or verse
lusty grotto
if its higher ilvl, you should still use it
valid bridge
of course
lusty grotto
ok as long as thats clear, carry on
valid bridge
Yeah people do tend to forget that, the stat weights are tight enough that ilvl is still king from my understanding. I just meant when you have the choice between pieces of equal ilvl, mastery is the lowest value of the secondaries it seems
and everyone seems to agree on that at least
crystal mauve
Belt is highest upgrade other are tack upgrade - should I just take it and be done with belt for the tier?
lusty grotto
likely
valid bridge
Our tier set bonus isnt crazy, i would probably take belt personally
south zealot
take belt
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say its a bad choice
valid bridge
youll get conversion tokens
arguably easier to find any mythic shoulder to turn into tier shoulders vs finding another well itemized mythic belt
lusty grotto
i wouldnt be so confident
ive had seasons where i didnt complete myth tier
but belt is a good choice
lusty grotto
yea
charred swift
What do yall think. Def not the tier. but torn between Cloak and Trinket. Both would replace items on same track
crystal mauve
Sweet thanks for confirming 🙂
valid bridge
That cape is rare
south zealot
if it snot myth cloak take queens mandate
charred swift
hero track for both
raw parcel
Ceaseless Swarmgland dropped for me... any thoughts?
Tier list has it at B, slightly below the chain weaver I'm using, but it's hero track. Hrm.
charred swift
That cape is rare
It has 450 avoidance too. might just have to roll a d20 and see what dice christ has to say about it
valid bridge
what is your current cape and trinket?
trinkets*
if they're hero track you should factor in how big an upgrade they each are as well
ornate thicket
Leech socket crit haste myth belt gd thats hot
charred swift
what is your current cape and trinket?
sac and mark of khardros hero track
valid bridge
Leech socket crit haste myth belt gd thats hot
Right? Best belt I've seec
charred swift
Hmm so you're not hurting for trinkets
and just a random hero track cloak i got in a delve
valid bridge
mad queens is awesome
raw parcel
For the last boss in Ara Kara, during the implosion phase, is it a bad habit to just pop a CD and keep smacking her?
ornate thicket
Not if you can time the leap correctly but likely gonna waste time on cds
Id not play it that risky incase any lag serverside or your own then you int key
And if you mean defensive cd and stay in thats likely a low key cuz its death even with DR at higher key
nocturne kernel
I’m so conflicted not sure if to open vault arms, fury or prot :/. have weap and shield but scared not to open as prot 😅😂
ornate thicket
Unless you want a prot only trinket id do arms if weapon shield are taken care of
tribal wharf
brain rot key lol
summer spruce
hey yall, out of curiosity, when opening the vault what spec are you guys doing it in for prot stuff?
valid bridge
For the last boss in Ara Kara, during the implosion phase, is it a bad habit to ...
I think its better to set yourself up to use a puddle as normal, just make sure everyone else has a puddle first. Save the defensive just in case it looks like someone else needs yours for some reason.
lusty grotto
read the pins
summer spruce
read the pins
thnx my bad. just joined
civic field
Noob prot warrior here: is it worth dropping ilvl 616 chest and helm to equip lfr ilvl chest and helm to get 4 piece?
lusty grotto
no
tulip remnant
Tank gear is meatball>slightly more optimized meatball
gray solstice
i got reinforced wax plating from a delve would this be better than a same i lvl imperfect asendency trinket
civic field
Ty Ty! I didn’t think it would be better but I got a boomie hounding me about it in my guild.
wide pilot
how high does the shield from the 1st mythic boss go after full upgrade?
brisk sphinx
Does the healing from Health pots and/or Healthstones work with Battle-Scarred Veteran?
tulip remnant
Ty Ty! I didn’t think it would be better but I got a boomie hounding me about it...
Why do they care, they on Boomie. If they are worried about micro optimizations….theyd be a mage.
brisk sphinx
Impending victory too for that matter.
lusty grotto
how high does the shield from the 1st mythic boss go after full upgrade?
as high as any myth track item so 639
wide pilot
ah thx
polar arrow
do yall SIM ever to choose upgrades?
pseudo depot
Silken Chain Weaver, worth it to pick from vault on hero level? I do have some other choices but I use the champion and think it does well. I tank up to 8's but is there a reason I don't see it on the top trinkets?
lusty grotto
if no myth track items, sure
dry wraith
do we sim dslice
polar arrow
i was doing basic patchwerk sims and checking top gear for a while and im not sure if thats very wise, first time maining tank for a raid tear so some foreign territory
rich ruin
vault choices are 616 mast/vers ring with socket (current rings 606) 603 tier chest (current chest 603 not tier and this would finish 4piece) or 593 lfr mandate ( have shit trinkets but 610ilvl) mainly do low m+ and solo content atm while prof crafting
marble night
is there an issue with simming sacbrood? its simming way lower than it should be in aoe it seems but seems to be about right in ST
or im just simming pwar very wrong
radiant cargo
Just wanting to confirm, taking shattering throw for the void emissary isn't worth it right? its not much damage on a cast time even multiplied by 6 and since the mob has 0 HP you can just spam execute instead
tulip remnant
I had to take tier shoulders from Vet to hero.
lusty grotto
needs more HDR
dusky canopy
Idk how you prefer staring at the sun while playing
lusty grotto
lol
dusky canopy
Couldn’t be me
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
I’m playing it too
dusky canopy
Honestly I can’t even believe I’m saying it but fury just feels better than arms this iteration
Arms is just so bad feeling to me idk what it is
Wish I could have DF arms back
lusty grotto
well SKS is kinda ass
jagged gust
SKS is actually the worst
lusty grotto
but i like it
dusky canopy
It doesn’t feel like it flows at all
gray solstice
if im at 600 i lvl what level keys should I be pushing as a tank?
dusky canopy
10
gray solstice
that seems ambitious lol
dusky canopy
Hard but doable
gray solstice
maybe ill give it a shot lol
tulip remnant
Eh. Worst case, you brick the key and try again.
south zealot
tried to do a 10 on 590 bdk
dusky canopy
Don’t let it get to you you’re the tank you get invited easy and you control the paces
gray solstice
i gotta say the red carpet treatment you get as a tank is nice lol. groups that wouldnt even look at me for dps are liek right this way sitr
tulip remnant
And Prot doesn’t take damage outside of mechanics that force defenseives. So like….theres that as well.
dusky canopy
Most of the time people yapping at you as tank in the lower key levels don’t even know what they’re talking about
Probably haven’t tanked themselves
So fuckem’
tulip remnant
Most people don’t actively harass tanks bc most tank players will just leave and tell people to F off on the way out.
Not like DPS where there’s already 5 replacements waiting
pseudo depot
Is the Silken Chain Weaver trink bad if you can get it on the hero level?
gray solstice
true enough im gonna try to push some keys thanks everyone
strong rampart
Raidbots is indicating that Authority of Radiant Power is 3k higher dps than Authority of the Depths but every post i see is saying Depths is BiS. Am i missing something? Or it is just a matter of my stats atm do not fully support depths enchant.
jagged gust
bis is gear dependent
lean parcel
I am curious if anyone knows how good Throngus's Finger
jagged gust
Never heard a good word about it
strong rampart
bis is gear dependent
Alright appreciate it.
tulip remnant
Didn’t even know that thing existed ngl
lusty grotto
Raidbots is indicating that Authority of Radiant Power is 3k higher dps than Aut...
depends on your sim
how are you simming
and for what content
lusty grotto
I am curious if anyone knows how good Throngus's Finger
bad for us
thin finch
any tips for single target damage as mountain thane? I think my AOE damage is ok but my overall damage is sitting around 500k on dungeons
lean parcel
bad for us
Ok its either that at a 623 ilvl or a skarmorak shard at 613 in my vault
lusty grotto
any tips for single target damage as mountain thane? I think my AOE damage is ok...
hit SS more
outburst SS only if pure ST
hard to say without knowing what youre doing
eternal marlin
what are out main stats at prot warr?
lusty grotto
wowhead and icyveins has the prio, you can go to the guides through the links in #protection-faq
all stats are good though
thin finch
hit SS more
its SS prio over execute on single target?
lusty grotto
generators are always higher prio
nocturne kernel
any tips?
lusty grotto
and you can't outburst execute
inner wren
pick the good one
thin finch
generators are always higher prio
nice
lusty grotto
the only exception is colossus and TC usage
which literally swaps with revenge as dead last in prio
but youre not asking about colossus so
thats just a tangent
thin finch
gotcha tks
lusty grotto
its the best ST trinket in the game
nocturne kernel
ahh ok i dont raid, so gg easy choice then
lusty grotto
doesnt matter its an auto pick for me as seen above
over 3 mythic tier track changes
if you get a hero mandate you should probably always pick it
even for keys
same reason beacon in s2 and grieftorch in s4 were picked
huge D prio damage is great for keys
nocturne kernel
would you use over ara or swarmlord?
lusty grotto
over swarmlord sure
nocturne kernel
ty jusd simmed its lower over ara, but 23k over swarm wth!!!
nocturne kernel
sorry 21,187 over swarm
tulip remnant
It scales off of missing health that the sims aren’t great at
nocturne kernel
Only have champ shoulders and have hero tier in vault, but that can wait until next week for catalyst as i want to famr and boost ara trink
ty all took mad queen, very much appreciated
inner drift
Wings of Shattered Sorrow(Hero) or Mad Queen's Mandate(Champion)?
tulip remnant
Do you need a trinket?
inner drift
got candle stick and sacbrood
tulip remnant
I’d sim at that point
(I just stack as many stats as possible and run Skarmorak/Ovinox)
plush pagoda
would yall do myth track hands or heroic queen ring? currently have hero hands and champion ring.
vestal solar
m+ focused... not sure that to take here? if i take chest i cant catalyze until next week anyway
tulip remnant
I’d grab Ansurek ring
wary compass
Not sure which one to take. I'm gussing Void Pactsone? Focusing on m+
vestal solar
thats where ive been leaning
tulip remnant
Having more “very rare” items is based. And makes you cool while AFK in Dornogal. The true end game.
vestal solar
oh well ive already got the cloak so i guess all ill need now is neck
tulip remnant
Valid
old flame
yeah, sims said take the cloak
zealous goblet
yeah, sims said take the cloak
if sims told u to jump off a bridge would u do it
frosty mango
if sims told u to jump off a bridge would u do it
I’ve seen how some people play the game of life that may be their most optimal choice
Either that or we need an updated daily life apl
old flame
if sims told u to jump off a bridge would u do it
no? why would I use a sim for that decision loop?
zealous goblet
no? why would I use a sim for that decision loop?
sorry i lashed out because i suck at simming and was envious
old flame
fair, if you need help.. we can help
bleak breach
I take the heroic cloak... right?
Yes
zealous goblet
should i spend my 90 gildeds on another omen crafted i wonder
oh wait do i need another spark to recraft a cloak?
frosty mango
oh wait do i need another spark to recraft a cloak?
You do not need sparks to recraft I believe
Only a new crest if you wanna upgrade ilvl and new missives etc if you wanna change
toxic pewter
def do not need a spark to recraft
old flame
only need spark once to make the item
next season you'll need a spark to reforge up to current season
south zealot
@lusty grotto rate 1-10
zealous goblet
You do not need sparks to recraft I believe
i could've sworn the few times i've done some recraft orders some of them had a spark requirement. i'm a weaponsmith.
maybe im senile
pseudo depot
is this worth it?
I can't find any info on it, and it's not in the top trinkets on archon.gg
urban portal
pseudo depot
ty
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto BRO are these enchants every going to NOT be TWENTY THOUSAND
wth man lmao
obtuse spindle
anyone know where i can find a list of decent trinkets for damage reduction vs. pure dps?
neon elk
Damn that new affix looks like shit
silent sphinx
obtuse spindle
? I know this one got nerfed by 50% before heroic week
no idea if it's still good for dmg reduction ornot
toxic pewter
Chain weaver much better
Does a lot of healing throughout a key plus slows all mobs in front of you attack speed by 15% for 15 seconds every minute which I’m not sure is possible to calculate easily
obtuse spindle
is that in the delve slot in vault? that mean it can drop from delves?
toxic pewter
Yes I got mine first week as a drop from a map in a delve
obtuse spindle
good to know
toxic pewter
The one minute cd is actually really nice
It’s objectively made more difficult packs a lot easier
It’s difficult to say how valuable of a trinket it is since it does no damage but I value it pretty highly myself
fast oracle
which M+ other than dawnbreaker has a decent 1H?
smoky anvil
meat hook still S tier?
quiet zenith
Which affix is this week?
solar yew
what's the consencus on prot warrior hero talent in raid?
most guides I see including the wowhead pinned here says thane but warcraftlogs indicate colossus
tribal wharf
i have a dream
that i can play colossus, with haste and mastery, tons of mastery
some really high mastery number like 25k
frosty mango
You can prob make it to 22-23k
frosty mango
Colossus doesn’t have that tasty snap aggro that thane does
Those avatar double blasts are 🤌
inner wren
ok but colossus is 2.5% bigger model size
tribal wharf
hell, even thane haste mastery
kind urchin
It's 5% bigger
tribal wharf
not so much for the passive block but for the passive critical block and attack power
that talent is a meme, im surprised it slipped through
slate crow
Hey peeps, anyone tested the heroic throw dmg on the affix of the week?
tribal wharf
critical blocking a spell, is uncapped, 100% value, vs 85% from a melee
could block some massive spells like that
hidden igloo
do u have to spell block before a spell hits you, or does it work like cloak for rogue on certain spells?
tribal wharf
well, its determined by your shields blocking value, so up to whatever your critical block value is
warm plinth
do u have to spell block before a spell hits you, or does it work like cloak for...
You have to use it before the spell hits.
Can't block something that has already hit you :p
tribal wharf
you also require both spell block AND shield block to be active and pointing at the mob with a repaired shield
hidden igloo
You have to use it before the spell hits.
putrid water in siege on last boss, is that hard to spell reflect and only possible with shield block?
warm plinth
But if it's one of the rare blockable DoTs, it would work even after it was applied.
hidden igloo
i had a fury try to and said it wouldnt work, was thinkin g timed wrong?
tribal wharf
if putrid is the blue ring i dont know if u can reflect it back to the tentacle i want to say it would go, im not sure about that
thats just, the player moves out of way and gets dispeleld if thats blue circle
high wyvern
How do you guys gather multiple packs together that has casters?
hidden igloo
if putrid is the blue ring i dont know if u can reflect it back to the tentacle ...
yeah that, so maybe not reflect, but that is avoidable with spell reflect on fury and arms then?
uncut bronze
high wyvern
The amount of hotkeys that i need as prot compared to fury is crazy
Legit like 10 extra buttons
stuck oxide
should we talent wrecking throw this week for m+
waxen zephyr
I was busy today and couldn't read anything, but did I miss our rage pool getting buffed to 130 in patch notes?
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> rate 1-10
11
im not having a good time in fury jail
ask brew im freaking out
lusty grotto
strange hedge
Yo, i took the mastery trinket from grim in my vault, does this make taking ravager over shield charge worth it for the overlap of cooldowns with spear at 2 mins
Is it worth going back to ravager?
lusty grotto
we dont recommend dropping ravager at all
so we cant answer for your weird build
best bet, sim it
paper raven
I got a 616 reinforced wax plating in my vault. I cannot seem to find any info if it's good but I was curious if anyone had any info about it.
neon elk
Na bois, how annoying is the new affix emisary?
kind urchin
Less annoying than it was in beta when they first put it in.
gentle wagon
depends how aware your dps are
neon elk
How much hp does it have ?
merry sluice
1
With an absorb shield the game didn’t like showing me ;x
So execute, soul reaper, ToD stonks high
frigid spire
any quick ideas why a prot warrior would be lossing threat to a Bdk?
mint terrace
How is prot warrior this season so far
merry sluice
any quick ideas why a prot warrior would be lossing threat to a Bdk?
Log angle
BDK deathbringer burst is rng. Which could make it ‘unexpected’ but any tank should be able to hold aggro with a proper rotation.
Seeing a log of what the two tanks are doing is the only way to give a specific answer
neon elk
any quick ideas why a prot warrior would be lossing threat to a Bdk?
Only quick is he is afk or undergeared ,everything else is just guesing but its 99% rotation issue
kind urchin
any quick ideas why a prot warrior would be lossing threat to a Bdk?
Not pressing buttons correctly.
wide charm
any quick ideas why a prot warrior would be lossing threat to a Bdk?
Is this like, in raid?
on a boss I assume? Is there a significant gear difference? Not just IL but things like is one swinging a 639 weapon and other is the same il but 619 weapon
Look at the meters, is their DMG significantly different?
Is the blood DK doing something remarkably stupid? Like, if he is already out DPSing the prot war, are they blowing all their shit the second the prot war taunts?
neon elk
20ilvl on wep on wep shouldnt make one unable to hold agro, while rest of gear is equal
wide charm
no but it could lead to a greater dmg difference, I honestly don't know if BDK does more dmg on average than prot war does
south zealot
any quick ideas why a prot warrior would be lossing threat to a Bdk?
you lose threat by not doing enough damage
for one reason or another
merry sluice
Prot warrior does more dmg on avg than BDK
But deathbringer can high roll with rng which is why I said it can be ‘unexpected’ but that would not be enough to make it a problem
Let alone a frequent one
I’ve never had issue holding threat on any spec combo, even when I’m like alt gearing a good 20-30 total ilvls below :/
It’s definitely a bring logs angle
wide charm
How is prot warrior this season so far
Real good, I'm not mythic raiding atm but got aotc week 1 and have cleared +11s, feels great in keys
wicked pollen
what 2 points would you drop to take it
lusty grotto
worth taking shattering throw this week?
no
pale badge
How are people doing CDs for boss one CoT? The shadow portion of subjugation fucks
Do spell reflect and spell block help mitigate?
lusty grotto
all of the tank busters are spell blockable
pale badge
that'll help then
real yoke
its phys and magic. iirc a couple hours ago i got onetapped by it on 12 with spellblock up at 60% life
lusty grotto
we're aware
lusty grotto
just open the sheet
and you'll know how to deal with them
literally every single tank buster from bosses is spell blockable
in that dungeon
reminder that the sheet is in #protection-faq AND is pinned
in here
summer magnet
lusty grotto
is it higher ilvl than what you have?
if yes, pick it, if not its garbage
replace asap with a shield with stats and stam
if you pick it
velvet knot
take the mythic 2h incase i wanna place arms/fury I guess? The ring has garbo stats
belt is a decent upgrade too though, so idk.
What do you guys think, take 2h or take belt upgrade?
2h has avoidance.
fast oracle
is colossus M+ really a thing now or are people meming?
pallid quiver
It's the same amount of a thing as it has been; you sacrifice notable amounts of survival for more damage
So if you're pushing what will eventually be like high key limits, you'd likely get murdered if you don't have a plan
and maybe even with a plan; we'd have to see just how far people can manage to push to find out
icy flax
is this arcane in my key playing correctly?
velvet knot
prob ask in the mage discord that stuff is too big brained for us
we're hyper-inteligent monkeys who use clubs
zealous goblet
is there an easy way to tell at a glance how someone rips threat off of me
velvet knot
yeah they're dead
pallid quiver
look at the meters
if they're doing a lot more damage, they ripped off damage
If they're doing same or less, they taunted
zealous goblet
because plater updates like half a second too late for me to argue
i thunderclap, i feel it in my soul, i landed it
but my friend keeps dying
lusty grotto
upgrade your weapon
zealous goblet
avatar not up every pack
white rivet
guys Mark of Khardros good trinket? in bloodmalet 4 but I haven't seen anyone
zealous goblet
nah, some packs i get to avatar twice so i go into a new one with a long cd
velvet knot
save it if you know you'll need it for next pack.
no point blowing avatar when a pack is at 30%
lusty grotto
you shouldnt need avatar for threat
youre doing something very wrong
or youre getting vastly outgeared
zealous goblet
it's literally only my enh shaman
lusty grotto
no reason to hold avatar
zealous goblet
friend
lusty grotto
when we AM reset it
zealous goblet
unfortunately im out of weapon upgrades for now.
lusty grotto
compare weapons
lusty grotto
is it maxed?
zealous goblet
ye
lusty grotto
vs theirs?
zealous goblet
not currently. and i was referring to shield slam threat potentially*
lusty grotto
weapon = biggest dps upgrade = biggest threat upgrade
velvet knot
it lines up with your spear/ravager
lusty grotto
what weapons he has
velvet knot
so pop it with those
lusty grotto
its the first thing you should have checked
velvet knot
its pretty decent trinket
gaunt vault
good trink?
This is BIG trink
zealous goblet
this isn't my first time in here. i've talked about him plenty of times. it feels the most prominent with him. i suppose i'm here to ask if there's a good way to check threat post-pull. i know logs shows WHEN i lose threat, but i was wondering if anyone knew if there was exact numbers available
white rivet
its pretty decent trinket
oke ty
lusty grotto
scatter
i dont lose threat to enhancement shamans
this aint a bug or something like that
velvet knot
ive only ever lost threat to an arcane mage doing 12m dps on boss
lusty grotto
im trying to help you out here
if he has a maxed myth weapon
youre gonna have problems
zealous goblet
im trying to help you out here
i believe he has omen crafted
which is what, 4/6 myth?
636?
lusty grotto
yea
zealous goblet
and i know you're trying to help. i'm sorry. i appreciate it.
so my hero track maaxed is 626. about 10ilvls off. is that enough to be a big deal?
a major* deal
lusty grotto
10 ilvls is pretty big of a gap
its not insanely massive though
paired with mistakes on your part he can rip agro
zealous goblet
should i alter my opener to compensate for it? it feels like it takes awhile to get a good thing through after the thunderclap. demo shout gcd, spear travel time, all that shit
dawn geode
what kind of mistakes would he be making or should be looking out for?
pallid quiver
it's literally only my enh shaman
I'm mega late, but Enha front load between packs due to tempest can be very high, and it's very awkward for Enha tro work around it in comparison to like Fury
lusty grotto
might just need to rip challenging for now
pallid quiver
So if they're playing well, you either need to be on your game or they are in pain
lusty grotto
in between pulls etc
pallid quiver
If you're in voice, ask them if they're gonna carry a tempest into next pull
zealous goblet
that's why i was in here asking about thunderous roar earlier. i know it's not better than spear, but i remember reading at the start of expansion it did have a threat point
pallid quiver
That should help you prio when to AOE Taunt to let them continue to rock