protection

[odd delta]

i was sick and tired of queuing as fury so i started tanking.. now it's hype wtf

[smoky anvil]

Prot feels really good rn

[harsh trellis]

Because it is

[smoky anvil]

I mean, things can BE good but not feel good to play. Ie Cata blood DK. Prot is both good and feels good to play.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[odd delta]

lots of pressure running as tank i gotta say.. but man when you pull off a big pull or time a key.. oh man

[tribal wharf]

always were

only time i think i recall protection warrior being truly bad wasr TBC and part of shadowlands

[toxic pewter]

just saw a dude trying to sell tier 8 delve carries for 50k each run LOL

absolutely wild

[cerulean tusk]

[toxic pewter]

wtf..

didnt realize people paid for such content.. i should be making millions

[tribal wharf]

he clearly was succesful doing it once before

maybe hes banking on "its for my 7 alts" guy

[toxic pewter]

actually kinda sad though..

[tribal wharf]

hes probably still riding week 1 sales carry high

got 1 guy paid him 50k for week 1 cary

thinks its still this way

[tepid reef]

Is there a list of all possible delve loot somewhere?

[raw parcel]

120k for an 8? I'd carry people all day for that money. XD

Though 8s are so easy, how can anyone even need a carry? It's all day giveaways in delves right now, it's M+ that's hard this season.

[orchid mural]

is there a bug first boss dawnbreak? getting craniked for beam damage when i am most definitely not in the beam.

[proud dock]

theres a burst at the start too

[toxic pewter]

yah the beam burst that occurs unironically hurts

[cobalt wagon]

Do you guys have advice for how to set up big pulls esp with packs far apart? I play a lot of vdh so I usually tag everything at once but I feel like with warrior you’d want to kinda just walk into one pack at a time and kite them into each other since we don’t have a lot of long range aoe threat and don’t wanna risk taking shit ton of dmg at start of pull

[toxic vine]

Quick question. Are Prot Warriors better than Prot Paladins?

[bleak breach]

Charge, Thunder blast with avatar, then leap or charge next pack.

[bleak breach]

Always, stuff paladins

[toxic vine]

But what makes them better?

[wicked pollen]

@jagged pier im doing it 🙂

[inner wren]

paladins: die
warriors: dont die

[agile elbow]

Paladins are like wet napkins right now.

Warriors are tanky.

[bleak breach]

Dunno, just warriors master race

[toxic vine]

And as far as builds go, is there a better place to find them over others?

[bleak breach]

I just go wowhead. Maxroll is good too

Logs are good to look at, but it’s often super sweaty people in title groups looking to 100parse. Not realistic for average players.

[daring marlin]

@warm plinth I love that you're continuing this theme

[toxic vine]

I had no idea that Maxroll did WoW guides

[timber viper]

Throngus finger good now?

[lusty grotto]

no

[tribal wharf]

no

dont make me change name to that lol

use brain 😛

we dont ever dodge, and it doesnt add dps

its for blood veng, ?brew? ?bear?

i could have that backwards

[real fossil]

I dropped ravager for battle scared and the world didn’t explode

[lusty grotto]

brew and bear

[tribal wharf]

i would have to imagine DH

dh wc3 passive literal dodge

[lusty grotto]

DHs parry

they dodge also but to a lesser extent

parry is way bigger on VDH

[tribal wharf]

agility, very much surprises me that they rely on parry for RNG 0 dmg

still, even then, for the tanks you said

why, when you could equip something probably more dps

[placid frigate]

What do you all recommend more, DBM or Bigwigs/littlewigs

?

[lusty grotto]

either is fine

[tribal wharf]

whatever u like more really, at this point

[lusty grotto]

i use bigwigs/littlewigs

[placid frigate]

Im currently using DBM, never tried Wigs

[tribal wharf]

DBM bfa was a joke

[lusty grotto]

youre good

[tribal wharf]

B E W A R E

run away little girl

[lusty grotto]

youre 100% not missing anything

if at all

[tribal wharf]

fuckin, shit was cringe lmao

[lusty grotto]

just make sure you have the dungeon module as well and you'll be good

[cosmic warren]

just crafted my 2nd piece w/ duskthread lining so i've got 2 on and it's only giving me the stats for one, is it bugged or something or can you only use one?

[tribal wharf]

i've found the plater does the same shit weak auras does essentially

[lusty grotto]

reset the buff

drop down to less than 80%

it'll fix itself

[tribal wharf]

have it set to play the old banana slip for when they cast shadow claw at me in SV so i can reflect it

[velvet jolt]

Got sucked into playing bear, forgive me.. I’m coming back. It’s so boring.

[tribal wharf]

do that for rest of major reflects and blocks soon

does 3m dmg can block reflect crap

[cosmic warren]

worked thank you!

[tribal wharf]

plater and a good profile for it will do wonders for keys

suddenly all the casters are purple name plates and i just never ever get off them

[bleak breach]

I just use base player and it’s fine, but there’s heaps of peoples profiles you can download

[tribal wharf]

im using vexusz or somethin, but, i dislike the style of plates and fonts displayed, cast bars sorta, will change the font.

[tribal wharf]

i wish the delves would show how many of 8 runs youve done at what delve lvl

in the vault preview. the profile is by vesperalTV

[toxic geyser]

Throngus finger still dog water?

[tribal wharf]

yup

[robust urchin]

Tanked my first 8 key today wasn't really that bad, but I still don't feel comfortable tanking with my veteran shield

[tribal wharf]

i got 615 runed crafted shield

[robust urchin]

Good for you yogi

I'm saving my crafted shit for my main spec for now

[red otter]

why is spell block so widely taken among pwar? Seems pretty niche right and could be covered by more general defensives like demoralizing shout and shield wall?

[robust urchin]

Although I just might bite the bullet just find a group where I can tank raids too

I'm like having no fun at all playing fury

[tribal wharf]

i see no reason tosweatlord this expans8on

[toxic pewter]

Because more defensives is better than less.. especially against magic damage which historically prot warr may of been a bit weaker toward especially consistent magic damage

[raw parcel]

Also a lot more stuff than you'd think is spell blockable.

[tribal wharf]

because its very powerful

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it’s an incredibly powerful ability

[raw parcel]

I think it's such a clear winner in that choice node that it really ought to just be baseline, I don't think any prot warrior is ever gonna not take it.

[mighty valley]

by that logic most of our talents should be baseline

[grizzled kite]

for single target, what is the input sim we use? patchwerk 6min?

[raw parcel]

That's fair, we don't have any real wiggle room, do we?

[tribal wharf]

ya, i only ever plan to do keystone maater mount, and then like maybe normal raid doubtful

[raw parcel]

Easy to forget we basically have the one build when the one build feels really awesome though.

[tribal wharf]

see how much a pug can do

other games like steam plan on trying

[raw parcel]

Think they're gonna tune down delve rewards next seasons? See a lotta people predicting that.

[tribal wharf]

real end game pve is collecting hero/myth gear imo

some players alot i bet never even touched a myth piece

[teal laurel]

What's considered generally smarter? Using your mythic crests for upgrades or saving up 90 for wep/shield crafts?

I have a crafted 619 sword and a 610 shield but I'm wondering if I'm kinda burning crests inefficiently lol

[lofty warren]

why did they make it so mobs recast if they get stunned? I bet they put the KORTHIA designer on that dumbass idea

[mighty valley]

it makes sense, you didn't put the ability on cooldown

[lofty warren]

it lowers my QOL

[raw parcel]

I think the issue is that it's a good idea in isolation, but a bad idea to implement late in development when dungeons haven't been designed with that in mind.

[lofty warren]

this is a good response. better than I would have thought

[mighty valley]

idk, it makes it more important that everyone plays well

[lofty warren]

regardless. now it just makes everyones life worse

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it’s a good change

[mighty valley]

rather than just having one person carry

[toxic pewter]

Days of no kickers not getting punished are over

[lofty warren]

m+ shouldn't be about whether you managed to coordinate your kicks good. it should be about pulling the whole dungeon and AOE them as fast as possible with minimal bullshit

the simple life

[mighty valley]

just play a normal dungeon and put a sticky note on your screen that says +15

or play ffxiv! that's every dungeon

[merry sluice]

gag

yuck

ffxiv

[livid meteor]

Hello I have a question about the shredder in siege of boralus, they really destroy me with their bleed (singing steel) in 10. I'm feeling super squishy to that bleed but I don't know how to counter it as i can't use CD on all of them in pug when trash stay alive for too long sometimes. It is the deadliest part of the dungeon for me outside pure one shot that I didn't avoid until I learned them (which is easy to fix ahah).

Is ther any tricks for these ? I tried to stun or distance the shredder before each cast but it is a bit difficult. ^^

[west bane]

Dwarf racial

[west bane]

Long term run is to upgrade only mythic/mythic + vault item as u almost a weekly cap to upgrade them fully

Gilded crest matter, heroic crest doesn't matter much if you are upgrading a bit smarter you are full 619 next week if not already (while playing at a decent level aka gathering 613 item before starting your upgrade)

[lofty warren]

uninstall

[scarlet stone]

For full AoE rotation should I be using SS for TB procs, or revenge?

[teal laurel]

Great ty

[west bane]

Assuming you are doing 10's as weekly

[odd delta]

Hey guys, any suggestions how to find m+ players to play with? Do you guys just add people from pugs?

[teal laurel]

If I have a good group I just say "feel free to add and hmu if you need a tank in the future"

then combine that with friends list group addon

etc

[odd delta]

Got it! I just gotta start getting gud then lol. 9+s for now

[teal laurel]

Tank anxiety for 10s is 2real4me lol

[shell fox]

example: u guys have 26% haste, 20% crit and 6% vers, what shoulder u guys should use?

[mighty valley]

SS or TB > TC > Revenge

[lusty grotto]

krakenshell

or whatever sims best

its kind of a toss up

pretty sure crit one will sim higher

[teal laurel]

Mastery is kinda doodoo so probs crit one

[lusty grotto]

mastery is not doodoo

last in stat prio doesnt mean its shit, its a good stat regardless just less priority

[teal laurel]

If I say doodoo comparatively does that suffice lol

[lusty grotto]

its not doodoo

so no

[teal laurel]

:C

[violet ginkgo]

We should summon ghash and let greg see the nick XD

[merry trout]

hey do we open great vault as prot or fury or arms?>

or does it not matter anymore?

[inner wren]

i pray we all get blessed vaults tomorrow

[toxic pewter]

Check pins

[scarlet stone]

Kind of what I figured, I've been ignoring rev almose completely in m+ just because TB is so much damage and it feels like fishing + SS damage > rev aoe but wasn't sure.

[mighty valley]

yeah, with thane there aren't many GCDs left for rev

but they still exist

[scarlet stone]

For sure, and idk if I should bump it up in prio over a normal TC if it's a proc'd rev? but 🤷‍♂️

[mighty valley]

nah, never care about revenge proc

[violet ginkgo]

Well for Thane Revenge is just use for fishing SS reset in case TC and SS on CD. However I admit that everytime revenge glow up I often tempted to press it over TC.

[merry trout]

ty

[scarlet stone]

Oh also uhh is there a button to press when literally everything is on CD+no rage?

[mighty valley]

don't get into that situation!

[scarlet stone]

happens 🤷‍♂️ 2s left on SS and you just IP down instead of rev.

[mighty valley]

in that case you shouldn't have pressed IP

[merry sluice]

the solution is to press revwenge and prayge for a reset, rather than IP

the punishment of mucking it up that bad is having an empty gcd

which shouldn't be the case ever with proper play

[scarlet stone]

"TANKBUSTER"

[merry sluice]

if you learn the flow of when the tank buster's coming you can get some fatty IPs before the threatening hit comes, rather than praying you just rage dumped it at the right time
you also have the option of going d-stance before u get hit

[scarlet stone]

I guess the play is intervene+charge

[mighty valley]

if you always make sure you have rage to fill every gcd, you'll have more total rage income

and won't have to worry about ip

it'll be there for you

[inner wren]

are u not supposed to play in defensive stance the whole time (serious q)

[cosmic canyon]

just stay in defensive stance mate, unless you're backup tank on a raid boss etc

[violet ginkgo]

You are not but right now it's fine if you want to camp D-Stance, previously in DF there is quite penalty (-5% damage)

Right now the difference is only 16% DR (Defensive Stance) or 3% crit chance (battle stance)

[cosmic canyon]

I'm reading like crap

[inner wren]

thx

[merry sluice]

hmmm...
this doesn't seem correct

colossus is labeled as celestial

good launcher

[frosty mango]

any good advice on m+ trinkets yet?

been watching archon and the spread is pretty even

[lusty grotto]

advice has been in wowhead since 3 weeks ago

or more

[drifting dagger]

is the refracting module trinket kinda meh for tank? on paper it seems kidna good of an on use defensive that absorbs 2.1 million every 60 seconds

[lusty grotto]

its whatever

not the best defensively but not complete garbage either

well

it can be complete garbage for raids i guess

[drifting dagger]

mostly doing m+ i ahve hero sacbrood, pacstone, ritual knife and the module

mostly been running sacbrood and pacstone wasn't sure if the module was bait or nah

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt use it

[drifting dagger]

if i can snag a meathook or a mark of khadros/ shard it smy goal

[cosmic canyon]

dungeon slice for m+ 'accurate' enough for simming?

or other setup required?

[lusty grotto]

5 target patchwerk 1 min

or 1.5 mins

[cosmic canyon]

elaborate where/how it scews with dungeon slice and why it's not to prefer if you can? just curious

[lusty grotto]

dungeon slice is not fully supported

[cosmic canyon]

cheers

[primal crypt]

So many tank friends spamming about high key pusher tank builds....sent them all here Nim....

[west bane]

Silken court trinket is good using that one with mad queen but u can easily use sacbrood instead

[primal crypt]

they don't run ravager, they run bsv...

[violet ginkgo]

say to your friends that they are doomed.

[primal crypt]

Friends, a handful of them

[lusty grotto]

yamo 50%party

[primal crypt]

All I hear is Kira this, Yoda that

[lusty grotto]

kira is fine

[cosmic canyon]

margins and not botching keys if everything isn't going to plan is important. bsv helps as an extra support net and allows you to pull quicker/with more confidence. it's not a bad trait

[lusty grotto]

did you see the yoda guide LMAO

[merry sluice]

you know what they'd have more of if they ran ravager?
rage
you know what more rage would mean?
more cdr on defensives
you know what more defensives mean? not needing bsv

[violet ginkgo]

Nim there is Yoda mentioned again

[primal crypt]

They will never know 50% party

[cosmic canyon]

https://murlok.io/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/mm+ here you can find top 50 current m+. 68% using bsv.

[lusty grotto]

no thanks keening

[primal crypt]

Lmfao

Anyway, they're coming

[merry sluice]

what is the ai ass picture btw

[primal crypt]

I told them the discord would help them

[lusty grotto]

ugh

[primal crypt]

I don't like their builds because block tends to fall off at points, super sketch

[west bane]

Bsv is mandatory in high key

[violet ginkgo]

I always compare BSV to something like this. If you want to fillet a fish, use fillet knife, can you use cleaver to fillet a fish? Yes of course you can it is still a knife, but should you? probably not.

[primal crypt]

Could kite, but some timings around bosses, not having block is sus

[violet ginkgo]

definitely not

[primal crypt]

It's not

[violet ginkgo]

you have been tricked by someone progodz

[west bane]

Well then I hope you are never dying

[cosmic canyon]

It's good. I'm with you. And I definitely use it while pugging with random healers. helps early on in dungeons to allow me to 'pace' myself according to what to expect

[merry sluice]

considering the first warrior i clicked on, even on murlok themselves, who was the 'first page'

did not have bsv

[primal crypt]

Lololololol

[merry sluice]

completely invalidates bsv being mandatory if we're using that logic

which is not even good logic to use anyways

[primal crypt]

Don't hurt them

[merry sluice]

bc aggregation is not the end all be all

[primal crypt]

Just let them cook

[lusty grotto]

taking a page from nome and ignoring these people

[primal crypt]

But mandatory

50% party

[lusty grotto]

especially people that link aggregates

spec bsv, have fun i guess

[primal crypt]

Yoda has a new full execute build

I'm going that

[merry sluice]

b-b-but it has demon ai man with flamey hands and blue hair

[primal crypt]

No bsv

[south zealot]

bsv is fine to use but you have to understand youre dropping rage

and ppl drop bloodsurge

which is more rage

rage is soooo good man you its damage defensive value everything

[west bane]

why would u drop rage for bsv

[merry sluice]

that's a good question.

[west bane]

Are u talking about taking bsv instead of ravager

[south zealot]

or shield charge yeah

its a fine change to make you should just understand what you lose

[west bane]

then keep this 2 and get bsv

[primal crypt]

Warriors talents are tight

[south zealot]

unfortuantely we have so many insane talents

its hard to drop one

[west bane]

I've got bsv ravager and shield in my build

Living without healer most of pack

[primal crypt]

To drop for bsv, you're losing a lot of value

[west bane]

And doing between 700k to 900k overall no Aug

[south zealot]

if you dropped champions bulwark, that makes shield charge shit and you might as well drop taht point as well for something else

[primal crypt]

Yup

No reason to have it

[west bane]

I can't make a ss or talent thingy rn

But I defo have all that

With bsv

[south zealot]

wdym u cant make a screenshot

[indigo scaffold]

is it fine to run TR instead of Champion's spear as MT?

[south zealot]

if you want, yeah

youll be squishier bc you lose 1 point in armor to the teeth and 1 point in endurance training (if you go for that)

but yeah its fine

[west bane]

Literally on phone rn xD

[indigo scaffold]

kinda enjoy TR a bit more idk why but if it gimps me in keys ill suck it up and stay with CS

[ionic fern]

It won't gimp you hard enough to matter. You will only take 1 of the subtalents tho.

Spear is better, but roar won't make you horrible.

In addition to the damage part being better,there are also quite a few dungeons where enemies fixate or run around this time..so the tether also gains value.

[high wyvern]

Maxroll recommends thunderous roar while wowhead recommends spear. Is it just personal preference?

[lusty grotto]

sure

but do you see maxroll in here #protection-faq ?

that being said

spear sims higher with thane, and has utility

[west bane]

Reason behind roar is prob agro issue that can happen in some key I guess

[lusty grotto]

you know forgehands in SV?

guess what you can do with them

to avoid big fracture stacks

[west bane]

I mean I just face tank them so

[lusty grotto]

you can spear them and clap slightly out of range

[lusty grotto]

must feel bad pulling 1 pack at a time

[high wyvern]

are maxroll guide not very well crafted compared to wowhead?

[lusty grotto]

its a different writer

hes not in here, Nome and Mwahi are which do WH and IcyVeins respectively

[west bane]

Nah doing the triple

[lusty grotto]

i quad pull it

[west bane]

there no 4 pack in there

[lusty grotto]

yes there is

[west bane]

Or are u taking the big one then

So after first boss you are not taking right and left

just different pathing

[lusty grotto]

i also dont run bsv

🙂

cause i aint no bitch

[west bane]

Always good to have tho

Hopefully you are never dying that's it

[round pendant]

how often are you reaching 30% hp

[lusty grotto]

if only you knew

its not a cheat

and you can still die with it lmao

[west bane]

U can't die with it

[lusty grotto]

ok whatever you say buddy

[west bane]

if u die it just mean u are terrible

[lusty grotto]

well i dont know you

so you could be

[round pendant]

lol

[lusty grotto]

still not a cheat

it is what it is

[round pendant]

I don't know why I would take something that only helps me when I reach 30% hp (like maybe once a key if I fuck up)

versus things that give me more rage all the time

[west bane]

Just don't drop thing that give you rage to take it

And you are fine

[round pendant]

you have to drop something

and most of those things are really good

[west bane]

Then think twice and don't follow wowhead or any guide

[round pendant]

show your tree or stop yapping

[west bane]

I will show it later I'm not logged on

[round pendant]

what's your character name and realm I can just look you up on wcl

[west bane]

Not sure I'm in the good build rn

But dw once I get home i can show u

[smoky anvil]

🧢

[lusty grotto]

dont waste your time yam

hes one of those

[south zealot]

based on what theyre saying

they dropped enduring alacrity booming voice indomitable or outburst

[violet ginkgo]

by the same logic if you proc BSV often you are terrible.

[violet ginkgo]

oh shoot ok then. should've read this one first.

[zenith horizon]

Anyone know what’s the best way to deal with Mistveil Guardian in mist

It deleted our tank so quickly

[lusty grotto]

reflect anima slash

if reflect down, spell block

tell him to look at our sheet in #protection-faq

or link it to him

sense's sheet

[zenith horizon]

Ah yep

That makes sense it’s reflectsble

Our tank def did not know that

[lusty grotto]

its also spell blockable

[indigo scaffold]

how does SR work on bramble burst in MoTs does it mitigate initial dmg done?

or can you stand in the puddle whole duration of SR?

[zenith horizon]

He would sheild wall and die immediately after lmao

On a +10

[west bane]

Then u might not be doing decent pull with pug healer

[lusty grotto]

is this a person you know

or a pug

if you know them, link them the sheet

and tell them that we have one for every single season since legion

so he can always join skyhold and grab a link

[violet ginkgo]

and hope that he want to actually learn.

[zenith horizon]

it’s our guildie who we got to tank a +10 for vault

He’d only done 7 keys

Everything was ok up until that pack

[waxen cradle]

hey guys after the deliberate nerf to spare meat hook for tanks rather how does it sim for us as a dps trinket now

[twin hill]

what amount of haste should i aim for, before i swap to into the fray? i had a hard time keeping shield block up with ~13.7k haste unbuffed

[south zealot]

like 20k

[opal tree]

I don’t suggest doing it but you can also do it on arms with dbts for some hefty damage

Tanks don’t seems to like that move tough

[lusty grotto]

of course

a good tank wont complain

its extra dam

i certainly wont

[opal tree]

Think on a 9 it does like 3 mil or something like that

[twin hill]

ty!

[violet ginkgo]

because you supposed to ITF at season 2 ish or season 3

if we talking about M+

[lusty grotto]

they can ITF at 35 to 40%

if they can reach it without sacrificing ilvl

[indigo scaffold]

so heavy repurcussions is better at <35% haste?

[sweet summit]

defensively yes

[lusty grotto]

its recommended, especially if youre not experienced

[sweet summit]

offensively no

[twin hill]

understood, thanks. i'm new to prot warri and i didn't find a specific haste value in the guide

[zenith horizon]

Like with taunting boss?

Err taunting mob

[violet ginkgo]

well rather than defensively or offensively, for us it's more like "how to keep SB uptime as close to 100% as possible"

[sacred sleet]

radiant power or depths for M+ as Prot ?

[lusty grotto]

radiant

depths for raid

[violet ginkgo]

if we play both? no way we got 2 weapon with different enchant right?

[lusty grotto]

nah

either is fine for both tbh

[sacred sleet]

fair enough

ty ty

[lusty grotto]

the difference shouldnt be massive

but if you only do keys, radiant is better

depths is better if the target lives longer

[violet ginkgo]

Alright thx for the insight as always Nim

[tender reef]

Ran my first 10 Yesterday died 2 times cuz I suck and we failed timer by like 2 Mins, very sadge

For 8 I'm overgeared for 10 I feel undergeared

612

Any similar thoughts ?

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[sweet summit]

nah I felt fine at 608

[ionic fern]

Honestly,it's your group that makes or breaks how "tanky you feel".

You can run the same dungeon 2 times and feel like a rock one time and like a wet noodle another.

Just cause of peoples dps/interrupts/utility etc

[polar bridge]

true as hell, sometimes I get pulverized in 9 , even if i'm kicking/interrupting properly

[ionic fern]

Stop slacking. I'm catching up - already 565

[polar bridge]

and the few 10s I made I was solid as hell

[sweet summit]

holy moly

i'm like 613 now tho

[ionic fern]

Getting into m+ is tough

Getting declined from +5s

[tender reef]

Idk in 8 I run 97 and then in 10 only 56

[ionic fern]

[tender reef]

With 565 u shoulndt get into +0

[sweet summit]

i puged one single siege and from that point on i decided that i will simply no do that anymore

if I don't have a group of people i will not play

ggykw

[ionic fern]

[violet ginkgo]

seriously? I thought ppl seeking tank that hard because as usual tank and healer are rare?

[ionic fern]

Reasonable.

[ionic fern]

Jeah,but i'm 565 ilvl

[tender reef]

Not in m+

U have 610er going +5

[ionic fern]

People think that you can't do 5s with below 600 ilvl.

[tender reef]

Because they fail with 620er teams

Cuz no mechanics interrupts

[lusty grotto]

mwahi how are you 565

[tender reef]

Then blame tank

[ionic fern]

Which is kinda reasonable i guess since i'm just some random prot warrior with sub-optimal ilvl applying to their group

[tender reef]

Just do delves lol

[lusty grotto]

my 5 alts are all 590 to 600

[tender reef]

Flexxing

[ionic fern]

I haven't played warrior a lot yet.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

but you said 565 why are you baiting

[tender reef]

That's not his warri

[ionic fern]

That's my feral druid

[lusty grotto]

oh

yeah

i havent touched keys at all with my alts

not even nimchipadin

i just do delves and fuck it

[ionic fern]

Oh,567

[lusty grotto]

[violet ginkgo]

feral? interesting... how is feral with druid of the claw now Mwahi? good/bad/something2?

[ionic fern]

Starting on gearing it now.

[lusty grotto]

bear dotc is certainly funner than sleepmoonbear

but still boring af

[ionic fern]

It's my first time playing feral so i got no comparisson points. It feels fine. Gives my brain something to do with the snapshotting and bleed tracking.

[gritty eagle]

@tender reef just make sure you understand what you took a lot of dmg from and if you could've spell reflected or spell blocked it, assuming you have shield block+ip on point.. if you want a upgrade anyway, do you have a good shield? if not, consider crafting one (after vault)

[gritty eagle]

thinking about gearing my pala alt by doing a bit of randoms delving when i just have smaller time slots during the day when i dont have time/feel like playing raid/m+

[grim pilot]

I played feral (druid in general too) first time this tier also

guild kinda wanted backup vers

we ended up having like 2 extra druids

[lusty grotto]

chipadin is 609

[grim pilot]

but it's still my "official" raid alt

[lusty grotto]

and has queen ring

LOL

[gritty eagle]

ready for real content in that case

[lusty grotto]

i dont have time

i just raid log on it

[gritty eagle]

fair enough

[lusty grotto]

in DF i pushed on it ez

it helps having 2 leggos

[gritty eagle]

who knows, might be time to pick it up a bit more in 11.0.5, then you have it ready

[lusty grotto]

1 on warrior 1 on pally

nah

raid logging is fine

[gritty eagle]

hehe ok

[tender reef]

I wanted to get the 636 weapon first, and yeah I just spend way too much rage on IP to make more dmg I felt like hanging behind

Boss fights even worse since they had the HP dmg buff too

[lusty grotto]

"the hp buff"

🤔

do you mean tyrannical?

first season doing keys?

[gritty eagle]

also not sure what you mean by spending too mcuh rage on IP to make more dmg

[south zealot]

whos keying

[lusty grotto]

alright youre gonna need that son of rat nickname again

time for

[south zealot]

lmao

i got a 10 in

god bless guildies

[tender reef]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9y1fZKjaJLnFAmRd#fight=last&type=damage-done

Idk felt like it

Wasn't my best performance either was last run of night and didn't expect a 10er lol

[gritty eagle]

@tender reef you died to patty cake 2 times, so just learn that fight, if you have trouble with keeping track of patty cake, focus on that rather than trying to find the correct thingy during guessing game (let someone else find it instead)... you didnt use spell reflect/block when you died to mistveil guardian, make sure you use those for anima slash, it hurts a lot.. and you died to standing in crap on last boss i think, so just try to learn the mechanics better 🙂

just checked your deaths quickly, might be more stuff to dig into

you also ran colossus, try mountain thane instead if you want a bit more defensiveness

[tender reef]

Näaaaaaaa

[tender reef]

Yeah I tried to help with guessing lel, once I jumped she then casted and was too far away for interrupt and the other im pretty sure I was stunned by the fox

Last boss I think we wiped

[gritty eagle]

i would just focus on doing patty cake and wait until someone else has found the correct one and then move to it

[tender reef]

So yeah I'm sure I died last

[gritty eagle]

ah mb

[tender reef]

Oh yes that's what I did with jump

But then she casted and took too long to get to me

Unlucky

[gritty eagle]

ah y, gotta get used to having melee interrupt as pwarr instead of bdk

[tender reef]

Yeah xd

And the slash I miss played and just insta popped

As I said wasn't my best performance and yeah I fucked up the key xd

Hope my guildis take me again with them (was the first run) I wanted to run a quick 9 before bed but they said let's try and find a 10, we were 4. The warlock had the key

I got shoulders dropped hough which is based

And was my first 10

With a lil better gear I think I could do way better

[gritty eagle]

no worries at all, still early in the season, you will have no probs with that

[tender reef]

Yeah just felt a little rage starved and undergeared because I had to spam IP too much to not die

Won't change to thane for that though lol

Love collos ATM and love my build

Check my talents I made it myself

And I also got waaaay better with using CDs and I prefer th dragon roar to spear alot, spear kinda meh

[golden lark]

any tips for last phase of q ansurek heroic as tank?

[tender reef]

Don't die, do more dmg Call THD

Fool proof

As tank isn't all you have to do is walk backwards in a circle?

[onyx pike]

what's the better source, Icy veins or WoWHead? I usually go into this discord for questions but people seem pretty 50/50 this xpac. I used to look up IV because i was told the people who write the guides there come from here.

[violet ginkgo]

the same more or less

even wowhead is written by someone here as well

[tender reef]

This is the wow head guide

Nomeratur wrote it

What do you want to know that's not in the guide ?

[grizzled orbit]

how many items can u create this week? i need a shield 🍎

[sweet summit]

3 sparks

[timid nacelle]

Hey Guys, Throngus's Finger any better since the incoming buff?

[tender reef]

Thebdodge trinket?

[timid nacelle]

Yah

[tender reef]

What was the buff +10k strength?

[timid nacelle]

Haha if only, 25% increased dodge

[tender reef]

Nah

Maybe in +25 in Bd ilvl639

For big pulls

[timid nacelle]

Ok fair enough. Thank you

[tender reef]

You need more dmg

[sweet summit]

astrostinky stinker trinket

[icy flax]

Incoming buff? Where can I view these

[graceful kite]

ye it now shares a layer with moldy bread in a dumpster

[sweet summit]

#news message

[scarlet stone]

at 80-90+ rage, prioritize exe or SS and just IP to avoid overcap?

[icy flax]

Ty erga

[graceful kite]

ss always a priority in any scenario

[scarlet stone]

even though it's a solid 1.8x/cast - chance to proc TB?

[violet ginkgo]

since you ask about execute I assume this is on execute phase and yes you can execute to avoid overcap. but in case you somehow gain rage while your skills still on GCD, then IP it.

as always SS it first, who knows after execute you can get reset on your SS, also in any case your rage is 70+ always press IP.

[balmy spear]

Morning fellow protters, what spec and setup are you running Brann as in delves?

[graceful kite]

dps and whatever random curios I clicked

Ah that one that charges and shows an arrow

it does good damage

[scarlet stone]

Sorry I guess I should elaborate on the scenario.
You have BoP proc, and are at 80 rage. Should you weave an execute between SS chains or simply slam out the 3 SS?

[violet ginkgo]

Porcelain and amorphous sorry the spelling might not be correct but you can check.

[balmy spear]

Cool, are you running him as dps or healer?

[violet ginkgo]

healer for me.

[balmy spear]

Yeah, have been running him as healer as well, and while I always complete the delves, its hella slow

[graceful kite]

you dont need brann as a healer

[violet ginkgo]

I usually delve as fury so I need his potions.

[graceful kite]

I ran him as dps since 560 ilvl had zero issues in 8

[balmy spear]

the small selfsustain we have is enough? 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

tank might be different I think you can go dps if run as prot.

[graceful kite]

I actually did 4 delves couple of days ago on 540 protpala and had brann as dps too

[graceful kite]

we have a lot of selfsustain and we take zero damage

[balmy spear]

aight, will try him as dps then 🙂

[graceful kite]

I hqve like 800k hps on m+ pulls

[balmy spear]

the amorphous relic is the one I'm missing... only 2/4 but guess its good enough

[graceful kite]

Warrior sustain is great

[balmy spear]

Yeah, maybe it is... guess I'm just used to blood DK sustain 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

what is BoP again?

[scarlet stone]

2x proc

[mild swan]

How you guys start a pack at higher keys? I got slapped so hard when i charged in, died in like 2 sec. I guess just press wall if you have 0 rage as you charge then block asap

[graceful kite]

you always press wall

unless you know there will be a heavy damage later like in guardian packs in mists

key level?

[mild swan]

10

I had no issue in mist, but siege they just 1 shotted

[blazing condor]

LS or Shield Wall when opening isn't a bad idea if you need it

[violet ginkgo]

Oh the mountain thane proc, in that case you keep spamming SS while also pressing IP to not overcap rage. remember your IP is not on GCD.

[strong forum]

First pack in siege is famous to getting 1shot

So you ask for external from healer immediately + sw + last stand

It's literally only that pack where you just get turbo fucked

[tender reef]

I did that, told him, died. They called me braindead noob tank and left

[strong forum]

Just don't die

[summer arch]

yep its already like that, horrendous p12 playerbase if you are below 2.5k

[strong forum]

Insta health pot after you charged in with avatar + SB + sw > Demo

Need to unzip piano hands rq

But then you're fine

[pallid quiver]

100% the hardest part in M+ as a tank in terms of survival imo is gathering packs; it's so easy to either get yourself clipped in the back, get surprise chunked due to mob mechs, managing to wrangle casters,

[tender reef]

What do you think about the talent that gives 4 sec the other when avatar / SW.

Seems kinda worth it in 10+ I feel

[stark jewel]

there are also packs that start off fine and end up trucking, like the left pack in 3rd boss room in siege

if u dont have poison dispell

that shit hurts

[tender reef]

The kobolds ?

Just kick em

[stark jewel]

nah the pack with one guy on a horse and the add that stacks a poison on you

and the bravish bolt caster

[tender reef]

Ah okay not sure which one that is

The kobolds do some poison spell too

[zealous goblet]

who was in here saying stam is useless unless you're getting one shot

or did i misunderstand completely

[pallid quiver]

It actually can give less shield walls over time, due to the lower rage gen from less thunder claps over time to then spend, and it generally is less damage over time, as well (iirc there are some exceptions based on stats? I think I remember hearing someone simming higher before). Also, if you're playing Colossus, you're probably not even grabbing that node in general

[icy flax]

That is a direct quote from Yoda @zealous goblet

[zealous goblet]

execute that man

[icy flax]

I've been saying that since he told and has been influencing vdhs to think not having spb is good

[pallid quiver]

By and large, it's accurate; a good chunk of your healing and survival focuses are percentage based, so if you're not running out of HP too fast, you're generally fine. It's why we don't gem for stam in comparison to secondaries

[icy flax]

Who would ever gem for Stam since like wrath?

[pallid quiver]

It's never bad to have more stam, but it's just more HP

The things you'd sacrifice a notable amount of stam for are also generally bad, as well, so it's not like you'll ever say no to it

[icy flax]

Maybe I have no clue but since I've started wow I've never heard of Stam gems not including Stam on legs and similar enchants

[pallid quiver]

It's because over time, people have come to understand that stam is the above, where its main benefit prevents you from getting one-shot, which means it has less value for tanks, since tanks don't tend to get one-shot

It has a secondary benefit of providing a small comfort spot for mistakes and bleeding out, but those are either avoidable or minor gains

Especially with how intense scaling on keys are, which is where it takes the most practical effect

[icy flax]

Kobolds are in a season 1 dungeon?

[zealous goblet]

i just meant the take is mostly useless, but the few cases i can think of its harmful because the itemisation is mostly streamlined, but the few cases where this is not true is harmful. off the top of my head, the shield that gives bonus armor but has literally no stam on it.

[icy flax]

Thx for all the answers luerce

[pallid quiver]

That's the Bulwark of Azzinoth from TW stat spread, yeah?

[zealous goblet]

nay. the one from delves

[tender reef]

Siege those in the banana area second pack, are kobolds no?

[icy flax]

They're monkeys

[tender reef]

Or are they all monkeys

[icy flax]

Monkey 🐒

[pallid quiver]

Ah, that one also has a real shitty secondary effect that is almost completely useless

[zealous goblet]

ye fr

[pallid quiver]

There's also Sauroks, lizard people

[zealous goblet]

i used it because it was an ilvl upgrade but fuck it was miserable

[pallid quiver]

From Pandaland

[tender reef]

Well monkeys are kobolds too

[icy flax]

The pack that guy was referring to was some of the packs towards the end of the dungeon like to the left of the 3rd boss apply a staking poison

[pallid quiver]

Funny enough, both the hozen and sauroks found in banana town were introduced in Pandaland

[zealous goblet]

which one of you is price gouging the fucking feet enchants

[ionic fern]

Me.

[zealous goblet]

your mod status doesn't scare me big man

[icy flax]

I fucking love feet

[zealous goblet]

i will now call you many slurs

jk auto mod would execute me repeatedly

auto mod is extra sensitive who fed it the no-no words

can say mf

can't say mf

can't say anything about weiners

[ionic fern]

We polite here.

[zealous goblet]

free me

i am polite!

i don't call people these words

i call situations these words

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-22265960

[icy flax]

Siege of boralus is a n

[zealous goblet]

i

[icy flax]

ce dungeon

[zealous goblet]

look all im saying the real rage dump all along was calling people various slurs

(m*me)

[tender reef]

Who doesnt

Damn boy not sure if that's legal, also a tease like that should def be illegal

[icy flax]

[zealous goblet]

hey guys

should i drop ravager for bsv

[tender reef]

Don't stop now

[zealous goblet]

does anyone know why the FUCK ravager's enhancements became a choice node? did anyone even take any of the two when they werent?

[tender reef]

Having 2 of them is kinda nice

[zealous goblet]

i kinda fucked with that one a lil when i was newer, but i just meant like

the extra duration one seems shit

so why even make it a choice node

[tender reef]

If it was higher in tree would be worth I think

I dropped the mech suit quest but I only have war and dk.

I don't want a fucking healer x.x

Maybe I do a shamy or monk

I like enhancer and brew

Big mmmmmmm

Pala be fine too

But I want a hunter

[graceful kite]

mop bdk

[icy flax]

Thanks grandpa for the lore

[graceful kite]

yuo asked

[tender reef]

[graceful kite]

and mop was like a year ago

[icy flax]

And you're old

Thank you though I appreciate it

Yes and legion was recent

[raven prism]

Is battle scarred veteran ever worth taking? all the talent builds I see never take it but I heard it was being bug fixed or something this expansion?

[graceful kite]

in very high keys only probably

[summer arch]

i run it in my defensive build i like it

[icy flax]

Yea I saw it in a +13 today(I'm not saying you should take it)

[graceful kite]

in 10s you don't take damage so no need to take things that only work if you take damage

[tender reef]

I will take it

[raven prism]

ahh okay, so just take in big big dmg keys etc

thanks guys

[tender reef]

Should safe you from insta deaths

[graceful kite]

just dont die lol

[icy flax]

^

Prot so tanky rn

[tender reef]

Only when you got rafe and don't have to move

In normal Dungeons is loot tradeable ? Should be no ?

[graceful kite]

it is

[graceful kite]

what?

[tender reef]

When you have to move and get hit in the back

[graceful kite]

prot might be the only tank that doesnt care about any movement in encounters

[scarlet stone]

wtf do you even drop for BSV? God I wish I could fit DS in to any build. Champion's Bulwark doesn't actually look that good, but I guess I don't really notice how much the SB charges are worth.

[graceful kite]

just strafe

[tender reef]

Or when you got all CDs but the dmg keeps coming

[graceful kite]

cap

[tender reef]

Just Strafe and watch your team mates die

[native pumice]

Question on this from a noob, do I have to push the keybind twice for it to IP then SS or will they both go off with 1 press

[graceful kite]

both since ignore pain is off gcd

[tender reef]

2x I think

Or not

[raven prism]

what txr said

[graceful kite]

but you use it in place of your IP keybind, not ss

it's a minmax to not waste an ss proc when you press ip

[icy flax]

I should check out that macro

Is it a big gain?

[graceful kite]

no

[strong forum]

Can't rly quantify it, but it's pretty fuckin good

[icy flax]

Is it new?

[zealous goblet]

i know threat is mostly a meme in retail, but does anyone know if there is an existence of threat value tables or something

[graceful kite]

I like it because it saves a keybind when I have 7 seeing red stacks

[zealous goblet]

i can't help but wonder when it'd be 100% safe to kite a mob threat-wise

[graceful kite]

so ip gives me outburst and i instantly ss with it

[graceful kite]

yes

[icy flax]

That does sound pretty good ill check it out

[zealous goblet]

off the top of my head, grim batol mobs require kiting if they get a little too big and you don't wanna pop a defensive

[scarlet stone]

Just bind IP to mousewheel and let it rip, ezpz.

[zealous goblet]

twilight.. envokers?

[graceful kite]

who?

[summer arch]

i also kite in stonevault

[icy flax]

2 ccs stacked or a soothe from hunter or druid solves that problem

[zealous goblet]

fat red ogre pricks

that get madder

[merry sluice]

i mean kiting a mob also doens't mean you need to be 40y away.
you can spam slow with thunderclap.

Toss out throw wepaon if you genuinely can't get into melee.

And you've 3 stuns for the enforcer in particular.

[neon elk]

Iirc only mob that u care about is endorcer @zealous goblet

[graceful kite]

you stun their enrage

[neon elk]

Enforcer*

[graceful kite]

it lasts for a couple of seconds and prolongs if they hit you

[icy flax]

I don't think shockwave is enough for it to drop off

Chaos nova isn't at least

[zealous goblet]

not shockwave no

[icy flax]

But B2B cc will

[graceful kite]

you shockwave and step back for a sec after it

[icy flax]

Ah

I don't S enough

[neon elk]

Or shield charge it

[zealous goblet]

furthermore

[graceful kite]

interesting if there's any mind control shenanigans with ogres

[zealous goblet]

i know some casters don't hard focus the tank, but does LOSing as the tank when you have aggro stop the casts or will they just continue to choose random people

[graceful kite]

probably not but would be very fun if priest can dominate an ogre and it just starts swinging at bosses

[graceful kite]

90% of the time yes

[summer arch]

head up btw, the casters outside the church in dawnbreaker can shoot through walls

cant LOS pull

[graceful kite]

stonevault casters for some reason no

[icy flax]

I had no idea they could actually do anything with mind control besides the last time I saw it in DotI

[graceful kite]

outranging always works tho

[zealous goblet]

because my friends get a little panicked when i try to LOS. i want to get to the bottom of why

[tender reef]

This IP up and SB down

[graceful kite]

blizz dislikes mind control and nerfs it

[merry sluice]

my favourite is when a random mind controlled ability has OBSCENE range

and it pulls the enitre fucking dungeon and wipes you

[icy flax]

I mean I can see why

[merry sluice]

ah underrot

[graceful kite]

dk control undead was nice in wake before

interesting if it works now

[icy flax]

It does

[graceful kite]

for mages and spine crush aboms

they did good damage iirc

[icy flax]

It did my #1 damage as blood in a +4

Even more than rune weapon

I did the abom at the start

Also man blood feels awesome to play in tww with deathbringer
Ive not done hard content yet just the overall feel is great 👍

[merry sluice]

go fight the mutated hatchlings

[icy flax]

What are those

[merry sluice]

the little fucker gremlins at the end of gb
they absolutely FUCK dk

its a straight drw+pray angle

[icy flax]

I believe those just got a 60% DMG nerf and can no longer crit one sec

[merry sluice]

but they're getting mega nerfed

[icy flax]

Nice

[graceful kite]

its bad

[merry sluice]

well they shouldn't have been critting tanks to beginw ith...

but crits aside it was terrifying

[icy flax]

Yea auto's critting outside of classic wow is crazy 🤣

[graceful kite]

I'm 100% sure some other trash also crits

[icy flax]

In gb? Surely

[graceful kite]

I don't remember which, I remember checking a log and seeing melee crits

[zealous goblet]

oh yeah, this is gonna be my first time playing seasons consistently, can someone kindly tell me what to expect my myth gear to outgear in s2?

veteran track?

or is it just instantly replaced with greens next season

[neon elk]

U probably wont replace s1 gear with anything lower than s2 hero

[icy flax]

I will say confidently it will outdo veteran for sure

But their gearing philosophy has changed this expansion

Ppl could already be 610 before mythic 0s came out

(this led to so many awful players baiting with high ilvl bruh)

Hopefully they drop their trinket philosophy but I don't see that happening 😭

[neon elk]

If they dont wanna us use dps ones lets at least makes tank ones worth playing ..

[merry sluice]

I rather meant that dmg was coming from not crits
tanks don't get crit.

The healer getting heal threat on boss from adds could def be crit and nuked though. SO that's what that change is good for

-60% is huge for tanks regardless though bc those things fuck

[icy flax]

Yep shit blows

One from raid is good and cool

[graceful kite]

If you healer is getting hit youre a bad tank

[merry sluice]

nope

[graceful kite]

Youre a 2 button rotation dps with a task of tagging mobs so they dont hit others

[merry sluice]

not that boss

[icy flax]

Or they healed you while you're grouping mobs

[merry sluice]

tank also gets knocked away, and the adds come from the side.
Tank cannot position to tentacles

if healer stands in narnia and pops healing cds

they get threat and that's a them issue

if they stand at range

thats a them issue once again

[graceful kite]

I get strong imposter feeling from you

[icy flax]

Bro?

[merry sluice]

no different than dps popping cds in the first GCD of a pull

[graceful kite]

Youre saying youre a dk so you cam immune knockbacks and you have 2 aoe spells and 3 taunts

[icy flax]

I'm not referring to the gb end boss but I think I'm having a separate point

[merry sluice]

can't immune each one
and dk has no range threat

even if i had 5 taunts, i could not taunt each hatchling
grip is on the GCD

ik this is warrior discord but use a braincell lmfao

if the healer is at range, i cannot get aggro, and each the buster in melee. death's advance or not

still takes a moment to walk over and bonestorm/tombstone/bb

[graceful kite]

You aoe aggro the ones in melees and taunt those in range

[icy flax]

Taunt hits 1 target

[merry sluice]

and this is not a BDK unique problem on that fight

[icy flax]

You acted like a healer getting auto'd just insulted you and your entire family

[graceful kite]

You can drop dnd under your healer if we're discussing a healer 30 yard away fantasy

[icy flax]

When in reality it's the healer/dps not responding to the situation properly 😔

[merry sluice]

still would take 2 gcds bare minimum to get 3 taunts off
not counting the gcd spent to pop bb/tomb/bonestorm

that is more than enough time for a ranged to die

when all of this could be resolved by simply hainvg ranged position better.
and regardless, goes back to the point that hatchlings not critting is still nice

And that this is Still the only situation where hatchlings critting matter

bc again, tanks don't get crit

[vague abyss]

i had to learn the hard way to wait until the tanks stops before doing dps

[mild river]

Hello there. Warrior coming back after some years afk. I have a question. M+ build: maxroll or wowhead? which one should i trust more?

[acoustic dew]

I am getting destroyed in +10 keys at 602ilvl

I had no problem tanking the same key levels on Druid and even prot pala. Is that just poor gameplay on my part or does prot warr scale better with gear

For reference have gotten title on both those classes but first time playing warr

[graceful kite]

Wowhead is 100% trustworthy not sure about maxroll

[mild river]

Thank you!

[graceful kite]

You should be fine , post a log please or deatils death recaps or explain you rotation

[acoustic dew]

Probably just misplaying heavily, its just demoralizing, I legit had an easier time doing my weekly 10 on my prot paladin despite being supposedly less tanky atm

[icy flax]

How you play is giga important (excluding s3 vdh )

So you're just a ppal beast 🦐

[graceful kite]

you should have shield block up 100% of a time, have defensives rolling mostly starting with shield wall every pull and spend rage by casting ignore pain

and shield slam is your most important button to press every time its ready

[icy flax]

Shield block uptime is at 100% already? What

[native pumice]

Tanking +10 with 602ilvl yet here I am at 611 1800 rating getting rejected from +6s sad times haha

[acoustic dew]

I got 2750 on my main by doing all 11s

So i get unwarranted invites them not knwoing I will deplete their keys

[graceful kite]

prot war is very easy

[acoustic dew]

Undeserved privilege

[graceful kite]

so you'll catch up fast

[acoustic dew]

I feel like either I am taking 0 dmg or dead

But I pull big with my undergeared ass

[sweet summit]

through talents yeah, not through stats

[graceful kite]

you just send everything on cooldown get insane cdr from that and get those cooldowns back

[acoustic dew]

Its not like I am going pack by pacj

[graceful kite]

shield block doesnt care about pulling big

do you have specific pulls you had trouble with?

[native pumice]

How much am i gimping my tanking ability by using my fury items as my tanking gear. I have no tanking gear other than shield and pvp 610 1h atm

[graceful kite]

maybe spell block or reflect mismanage

[graceful kite]

for 10s you're fine

[acoustic dew]

NW first pull into gatekeeper

STV 4x pull

Got pretty fucked there

[graceful kite]

3 packs or 4 with keeper?

[acoustic dew]

A lot of the marauder doubles in NW are scary

[hazy dagger]

Heyy quick question about tanking.
I just did a +8 Mists on my Prot warrior.
I generally kite mobs abit as i was under the impression (after hearing Dorki talk about it)
that you avoid alot of melee hits by slowly back pedalling when fighting mobs.
I got flamed by this balance druid, we timed the key but he says i did bad. We had an Enhance Shaman, Marksmen Hunter and Balance druid.
Do those specs require the mobs to be stationary as much as possible?

[graceful kite]

marauder should just deal 0 damage to you its blockable

[acoustic dew]

Hmm

[graceful kite]

do you have a very low ilvl shield?

[sweet summit]

only "kiting" you're doing in mists is to move mobs out of the guardian circle shit

[graceful kite]

I'm talking 570

[acoustic dew]

I need to record maybe I am just dropping shield block for split second

Anf floppinh

Flopping

[sweet summit]

otherwise there is 0 reason to move around a lot

[hazy dagger]

i dont mean kiting as running away, i just slowly move towards the next packs?

[acoustic dew]

Ohh yea double guardian pack in mists is kinda scary the rest of that dungeon is a joke

[graceful kite]

you reflect anima slash 1

get free 3m damage

and spell block other slash

[sweet summit]

that should be fine I guess?

[graceful kite]

unless your group es destrolock eleshaman and other ground aoe classes you're fine

[hazy dagger]

like just back pedalling right, but towards the next packs, i did all the big double pack pulls etc, so slowly moved them staying out of alot of the melee hits from the mobs at the back.
i thought thats what i should be doing

[sweet summit]

log your runs and report back 🫡

[mild river]

another question: i remember in previous expansion you could lower your key lv talking to some NPC in the main city. Is this a thing yet? If yes, where is he/she?

[sweet summit]

by the portal

to the other dungeon portals

[hazy dagger]

maybe just a toxic player then?

[graceful kite]

well his name is angry druid

[sweet summit]

least insane boomkin player i think

[hazy dagger]

lol okay

[mild river]

ty ty

[graceful kite]

Tho if you had a totemic shaman they might dislike you moving around too

[hazy dagger]

yeah, i will try and keep it in mind.

[opal forum]

only kite if necessary, can be annoying for casters

[wooden sphinx]

At least some kiting is not the end of the world for mistweaver any more. Used to be horrible.

[opal forum]

the 2 meters you'll gain wont be worth the dps loss

[sweet summit]

the day ranged players learn they don't have to stay max range to dps is the day i might give them some respect

[opal forum]

fair point, but i cant control them, i can make their life as easy as possible tho

dps will be dps

[minor bone]

Hey, how do I know if I should ask for lust on big pack pulls or bosses in +10s where both tyrannical and fortified are active?

[sweet summit]

if they want that then they can come play in melee when the guardians or defenders in mists use the charge thing!!!

boom easy even cleave

more efficient

[robust urchin]

when the totemic shaman asks me if i move out of his totem on purpose

[opal forum]

bold of you to assume they even know the mobs mechanics other then dodge swirlies

[robust urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-obviously-duh-okay-yes-gif-6035524

[sweet summit]

you're too real for that...

[opal forum]

already hard to bind the interupt key

now im being sassy

[sweet summit]

not sassy enough

[opal forum]

the op DH tank did terrible things

now they all forgot that they can actually interupt stuff

ok time to sleep now bye

[tulip oar]

I know I can't see it, but I kinda feel bad having to move mobs out of Hunters sentinel ring.

[graceful kite]

hunter should be thankful they're in a group

[tulip oar]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-yellow-bird-dancing-moves-grooves-gif-5636786

[cosmic canyon]

Ideally so it to secure a clean large pull. Rather than vs single target boss. Unless said boss is wipey in nature itself.

You can also check dungeon duration to time it. If it's say, 34 minutes to complete the dungeon. You can get 4 solid lusts in that duration if you're using them actively rather than passively.

You can also use it to pull a boss and some trash on top each other if the trash is just tank damage / easy to aoe down with a boss early on.

Usually bosses are 15-20 seconds window early on where they aren't doing much

[graceful kite]

you lust pretty much on cd and pull according to lust

I do lust on first pull in GB, it cd's right after 2nd boss and I pull flamebender 3 ogres on the right and beguiler and enforcer on the left together

[pallid quiver]

As long as you're swinging for all of lust's duration, it's a good use, regardless of what people say. You can save it to push through scary things, or pull bigger when you're going to use it, but the most important thing is to get as many uses as possible where you're always using the haste

[minor bone]

Thanks for all the great answers. I guess it doesn't matter if we take more time killing a boss because we used lust on trash or if we have to pull packs one by one because we save lust for boss

[minor bone]

In GB especially I tried to do big pulls in two individual runs, one before the dragons event and one after 2nd boss.. both times we wiped because there was either not enough cc/interrupts or I just get slapped too hard. It makes me scared of doing these big pulls because of -15s death penalty

[graceful kite]

pulls don't have to be big

your alternative is lusting bosses which are 1 target

and which might lead to 1 less bl cast per dungeon because of timer

[minor bone]

do you mean that one should still lust and then try to squeeze 2 to 3 smaller pulls in that window?

[graceful kite]

Idea is you should spend full lust attacking something

[graceful kite]

why not

if you're in combat all those 40 seconds

[minor bone]

In my small brain that seems like a waste because the dps will want to use their cds somewhat efficiently

[graceful kite]

keeping lust makes sense only if there's a very specific damage check that lust will help you with a lot

[graceful kite]

efficient use of dps cds is using them on cooldown

100% count and all bosses need to die to complete, holding cds for some big moment leads to dealing less damage overall because those smaller pulls will last longer

[minor bone]

That makes a lot of sense and reliefs some of the pressure I get when asking for those lusts. So by this logic I could, in GB for example, ask for lust on first pull only pulling the first pack and dragon and then maybe chaining into the next pack and one more from the dragons event area?

[graceful kite]

yea

[minor bone]

well f me thats awesome. Kind of new to tanking and bricking these keys by trying to do these crazy pulls just to wipe the group and demoralize everyone feels really bad

[graceful kite]

I do this for second lust but you can pull less or use it on a second boss if it cools down

[minor bone]

That's exactly the pull that we wiped on, but I guess it was just me using my defensives wrong because I got slapped in 2 1/2 seconds

[graceful kite]

timers this season are very chill and you can +1 keys by pulling 1 pack at a time

[inner wren]

blessed vaults for all

[minor bone]

Is that so? I was under the impression that the timers are super tight sometimes, but I guess that might be also due to sometimes having subpar dps

[fluid pasture]

Nah timers are a joke in most dungeons

We had 11 deaths on a +10 db and still timed with a minute and change

Wake is kinda tighter but I’ve found most to be more forgiving than I expected

[minor bone]

So just pulling small is completly fine and I shouldn't feel pressured to do so?

That's actually great to here

[fluid pasture]

If you’re not comfortable with pulling tons of packs at a time honestly you don’t have to in order of time

one tip i’d give is if you are pulling one pack at a time and that pack happens to be 2 mobs, try to pull a little extra

it can be miserable as a dps only hitting 2 targets at a time ^^

[minor bone]

Yeah, I completely agree. I feel like I already have a decent grasp and am already doing some of the recommended combined packs, it's just that these super big pulls are a big hurdle for me and are giving my groups a really bad time. Especially so because when we wipe, we need to go even faster

[fluid pasture]

Pulls like the one mentioned above are fucking ROUGH in pugs, even in grouped content

that one specifically hurts a shit ton and without everyone kicking / cc order it’s a super tough one to kill

as long as you get to the last boss with enough % and time it, 99% of players won’t have a problem

[minor bone]

That one, granted I survive the initial blast, would probably fall apart when that one mob reaches 50% lol

[graceful kite]

you only take damage from a big scary ogre on that pull

and we discussed him like an hour ago

[neon elk]

In sob with pugs (10+) do u guys go down asap, after first pack, or go straight up side ?

[graceful kite]

enforcer

[fluid pasture]

most 10s we’ve just gone straight

[graceful kite]

jumping down has 1 more big aoe guy

[fluid pasture]

dunno what’s optimal but they’re both fine and have decent mdt paths

[graceful kite]

going up is better

[fluid pasture]

just survive the fire bombs on first pack and ur group should be chilling

[graceful kite]

you survive gutter melee cast

[minor bone]

Alright, thanks a lot 🙂 Will try to slam some keys with the knowledge you guys provided. ty!

Is there value in logging keys like for raids if I'm looking for detailed help on certain things or are logs not useful in m+? (new to logs)

[graceful kite]

yes

[minor bone]

Ok, will start logging then 🙂 ty

[tribal wharf]

Happy hosetown vault tuesday everyone

May all your vaults be filled with worthless shit

[violet ginkgo]

Nuu Yogi why you jinx us like that

[tribal wharf]

you've got an iphone 38, but you dont know the last time you ate

[orchid gulch]

I now understand Nimchip's nick.

[inner wren]

BLESSED VAULTS FOR THY ALL

[graceful kite]

okay tyler durden

[tribal wharf]

i always show up when you @tribal wharf @ deathray44

but ya, people come in here and ask the same dumb question over and over again, and dont look at the guides