protection

[cold pilot]

yeah

[novel shuttle]

Is that the 2.5k appearance?

[cold pilot]

yes

[novel shuttle]

Nice congrats

[cold pilot]

thanks friend 😄

[tender reef]

How long will season 1 be anyone know ?

[harsh trellis]

The scariest things in dungeons this season are mages

they get blasted

and youre down a dps

[novel shuttle]

On the first pull in GB where do you tank so people can los dragon? On stairs? At top so they can go down?

[harsh trellis]

I just put the dragon in the corner at the gate

and look at my feet

[chilly surge]

At least spring 2025

Maybe earlier

Feb, maybe?

[tender reef]

Damn really

Don't they want to fasten up the expansion releases ?

[smoky anvil]

Y’all bring mages? Every single mage I’ve brought is a jobber or bamboozler. Joining queue as frost and swapping fire. I won’t take one again.

[tender reef]

Lel

Arcane only

Check his logs

Druids are kinda trolling imho

Priests too

And the dragons either a beast or worthless lol

Dka are great to bring as DPS for grip

Hunters are toxic af don't know why

[smoky anvil]

I run in a 4 stack and the DK is our top dps and is great with grips.

[tender reef]

Yeah that's all I got

Yeah 👍 I had 2 in nectric easiest run ever lel

I felt bad for bad I played but still got carried was great

First really good pug I had

[smoky anvil]

Nearly bricked 2 +4s in a row last week

Was my cue to really watch vods of better warriors and pay attention to my rage more

Feel invincible below 10+ now with dps that press button.

[tender reef]

Truee

Dps that press interrupt*

[green bronze]

guys, what do i do if i accidentally pressed remove on guild event, how do i get it back

GM says i only removed it for myself

[tender reef]

That is guild event

What*

[green bronze]

like raid time

[tender reef]

Inbth kalendar ?

Have someone else reinvite you ?

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[green bronze]

they said that they couldn't invite me

[tender reef]

Then just accept it and don't leave next time

[frosty mango]

War is pretty much invincible up to like 10-11 sans a few specific places

[green bronze]

i got a message in mail, that <my charcter name> removed you from event)

[frosty mango]

Stone vault trash is a big one, and siege has a few nasty pulls where you get a stacked dot on you that you can’t mitigate

Outside of that there ain’t much out there dunking on warriors if you’re good with spell block and spell reflect

[green bronze]

trash in mists maze can hurt if you don't press reflect at the right time

[frosty mango]

That’s less a problem with trash and more a problem with you tho

You can reflect all of those anima slashes

The proverbial you

[green bronze]

unless there are 2 in a pack)

didn't say that it was trash problem, was just pointing out scary trash pulls

[frosty mango]

You can reflect one and block the other, the stone vault dwarf trash tho

Only trash I’ve felt the need to kite

[nocturne spindle]

Sometimes I pull those dwarfs and just explode on 10s lol

[frosty mango]

I did it on 11 yesterday, we triple pulled that pack, I blew everything to get threat then ran

Scary scary

[green bronze]

first pull in necrotic can also hurt if done without lust

[nocturne spindle]

Yea it was more of a not realizing they hurt that bad until I got that high?

[frosty mango]

First mists pull is also rough just not on the tank

[nocturne spindle]

Idk i feel like I don't actually learn what I need to do in dungeons until like 9 or 10

Everything just tickles until then

[green bronze]

i bricked at least one key by charging into first pull of boralus and insta dying)

[frosty mango]

Kinda different this season because of the squashed scaling

Like you can faceroll an 8 and then get obliterated in a 10

I healed a 10 mists last night with a warrior who had 70% shield block uptime, I wanted to die

[nocturne spindle]

Yea I almost wish there was some unique scaling for tank damage

[violet ginkgo]

yeah because starting from +10 both tyran and forti active not to mention the default increase from key level

[nocturne spindle]

I just feel like there a critical mass you hit where stuff out dps your self sustain

[green bronze]

i think that was the case previous week, when you get used to not have fortified and then you go to a 10 and suddenly trash starts doing damage, this week difference of 8 from 10 is not that big

[nocturne spindle]

And it would be better to hit that faster and actually have to learn what abilities you need to care about

[frosty mango]

The first boss in sv11 had 600m health

For 5 people

Oof.jpg

[green bronze]

ye, first boss of sv is very long, especially cause you are not doing anything on it)

[frosty mango]

Just move the boss so your dps don’t stand in a line and die

But they’ll figure out how to do that anyway

[green bronze]

you cant dodge those lines, you move the boss so your melees don't stand in void zones

feels good with ranged only, don't even have to move)

[frosty mango]

First boss doesn’t have void zones it’s got the pillars you gotta blow up

You gotta move the boss so they spread without overlapping

[green bronze]

those pillars also work as void zones, do they not?

[frosty mango]

If you line it up directly either one dude has to blow them all and the others spread but most dps are functionally brain dead and they’ll all just stand on top of each other and die

[green bronze]

why would you line them up?

[frosty mango]

One person blows up the pillars with the beam

[turbid shuttle]

better to move such that they're spread out, not lined up, imo

[frosty mango]

Yeah that’s my point

Someone always get clapped trying to stack them

[turbid shuttle]

everyone is getting hit by beam regardless. just makes it easier for them to coordinate hitting them without each other

[green bronze]

i don't understand purpose of one dps blowing all pillars, just do whatever you healer says, most of the time its either 2 each cycle or all

[frosty mango]

Because at a high enough key level if you don’t blow them all up the boss will blow them up and you won’t be able to top quick enough before the aoe comes

People will bleed out

[turbid shuttle]

at a high key level I think you do 2 per cycle. so it goes 2-2-boss does last 2

[green bronze]

i get that, but why can't everyone just destroy their pillar, why 1 person has to blow them all

[turbid shuttle]

you don't want to blow them all up each cycle. that's 3-3-0.

[green bronze]

blowing 3 can be deadly unless your healer is pres

[frosty mango]

Do it fine on hpriest

Don’t even need cds

Prob a pain in the ass for Druids and shaman tho

[green bronze]

maybe 11s are survivable this week, definitely remember my party wiping in 11 previous week

[frosty mango]

No I can definitely see 3/3/0 obliterating a group without a good spread healer

Sham reliance on chain heal makes it tough there I’d imagine

Priest has lightweaver and halo which largely trivializes dot damage

[stuck scaffold]

why 3/3/0 and not 1/2/1/2/0? tank runs into one when they spawn, dot resets by the time the lines come out

[shrewd plinth]

I did a mists of tirna scythe 8, and I made it to the maze and the route took me to a decent sized pack that had two medium sized dudes that did this big bleed on the tank. I don’t know if I wasn’t prepped for it but that damage was beyond nuts; not sure if anyone knows the mobs/mechanic

[sweet summit]

anima slash?

[shrewd plinth]

Me thinks yes

[stuck scaffold]

mistvail guardians, they have anima slash which is reflectable. otherwise big defensives

[sweet summit]

spell block and shield wall

[green bronze]

you don't choose what to fight in the maze, but you can reflect anima slash

[sweet summit]

spell reflect especially

[graceful kite]

you cant

[shrewd plinth]

Nothing else even got close to the damage of that pull

[green bronze]

there is a pull where you have 2 anima slash dudes, in that case you reflect 1 and wall or spell block the second

[frosty mango]

I updated what I said for the later pack

To reflect/sb

But it didn’t feel particularly bad with those

Rawdogging it would be sketchy though lol

[green bronze]

it is natural, there is nothing else that can kill you in that dungeon, aside from roots that prevent you from going out of void zone in that same maze

but those can be kicked/dispelled

[frosty mango]

There’s a spell reflect weakaura on wago that uses senses list - it’s a must have for tanking

Helps with stuff like this a lot

“Spell reflect essentials”

[sweet summit]

it's not a must
i'm doing great without it!!

[frosty mango]

Probably in the pins somewhere here too

[frosty mango]

Imagine how great you could be with it!

Unstoppable

[sweet summit]

i'm already perfect in every way

(real)

[frosty mango]

Peak

Just take shield block, ignore pain, spell reflect, spell block - all that nonsense off your bars

Forget it exists and remember you have a healer

Game becomes very easy to play

/s

[green bronze]

that weakaura is really essential for starters, but you should replace it with a plater profile that colors reflectable casts with different colors further down the road, cause that way you can better decide which cast to reflect in a pull with multiple reflects

[frosty mango]

This is what I do - and I modified the wa to show the name of the spell

[indigo scaffold]

can we clear the bananas in SoB with SR just like with the tentacles in the final boss of GB

[green bronze]

nope

was thinking the same thing after i discovered that trick in GB, but sadly doesnt work with bananas

[indigo scaffold]

sadge

[brittle dust]

What trick in GB…?

[surreal steppe]

clearing tentacles on last boss with SR

[pine lotus]

is it one tentacle per SR or as long as SR is up

[violet ginkgo]

as long as iit's up I think

[surreal steppe]

afaik its as long as SR is up

[brittle dust]

https://tenor.com/view/boner-erection-balloon-gif-20677739

Ope

Well

Not the gif I wanted but still applies

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it doesn't fully reflect, so you can just keep clearing

[tribal wharf]

so, for high keys mostly i guess, there is basically no reason to ever take enduring training, even with a bolster build, cuz im not entirely certain what max hp or hp can grant for dps.

[quick current]

prot paladin in shambles once again

[tribal wharf]

i tried swapping to enduring +steadfast as the peaks (5% hp + VR stuff), well, looking at that, you get 10% more hp for 5 seconds, its a 25s cd, + if you can kill something

[raven zealot]

i assume its still worth to go for the diamond bonus and socket one of each gem colour for prot right?

[quick current]

what's the take on opening dungeon pulls with shield charge? it seems like a solid strategy for getting your defensives up asap, and m+ pulls are thick enough it'll usually be up for the next pull, but was curious if there were some obvious downsides i missed

[mighty valley]

you lose out on the rage from regular charge + it's nice if you've got the damage amp from demo shout before you hit shield charge

[raven knoll]

how do you guys open a pull? if you have no rage at all? how do i get fastt rage and get agro on same ttime? im playing mountain. basic build from wow head. no fancy shit

[tribal wharf]

bosses that have adds if group lets u killing blow the adds u get 10% more hp,
When i had the 3 turned on i went from 8200k~ to 9450k~ hp, probably 10-11mhp with fort and the VR buff going, then you have LS for 100% block during that and 30% more hp.....

you could reach like, 16m i think

[mighty valley]

throw ravager from range, charge + avatar simultaneously, tc if i need more snap threat, then demo shout and then all offensive cds etc

[tribal wharf]

like, what all in our kit gets a buff from use having more hp that converts to dmg

is there something like that

maybe im thinking IP, those would be some big fat IP's

[green bronze]

can also do clap prepull and insta charge + avatar, so you have rage for block right away, i normally do that first pull of the dungeon

[tribal wharf]

i was seeing 4.1 for sure with LS ip's and i think i saw a 6.4m ip with LS+steadfast

just now

[sick sentinel]

Why are we playing rend over instigate if thunderclap applies rend for free?

[tribal wharf]

10 m IP sounds sick

[mighty valley]

you need to have the rend ability for tc to apply it

[sick sentinel]

that makes sense. Thanks

[tribal wharf]

i have a hunch, this is a build you do if you want to make use of second wind talent

cuz then, at 35% you would have a bigger pool, and giga ip's, just some copium scenario i made up

[green bronze]

if only colossus was good)

[mighty valley]

colossus is great......... for one thing

(huge damage low keys)

[tribal wharf]

storm shield i will keep even though i don't intervene nearly enough

maybe try some small key as endurance steadfast, no other changes

1046k hp with VR effect from steadfast active

[indigo scaffold]

does anyone have a clip on how to dodge the suck mech in final boss of ara kara with HL?

[mellow quartz]

Just stand still and abt 1s before cast ends your character will do a little ‘jump’ as the final hard suck happens. When he does that leap out.

[tribal wharf]

HL?

what is this

[mellow quartz]

Heroic leap I assume he means

[fathom robin]

isnt there some mechanics that get trivialized by Spell Block? is this one?

[green bronze]

well, i survived that suck with just shield wall on 11

[mellow quartz]

No since you get a 70% reduction in damage if hit

[green bronze]

so you can cheat that mechanic 2-3 times a pull)

[green bronze]

oh

[mellow quartz]

Stupid to do as you will do no damage with the debuff

[green bronze]

makes sense, didn't know about debuff, i just jumped into pool and interrupted after cast ended

[mellow quartz]

Just leap out

And charge back in

[tribal wharf]

this is lteral all i can think of when u say HL

instant hardcoded for me half life

[violet ginkgo]

poor yogi

[tribal wharf]

i don't reccomend trying to leap it personally, someone said theres a pro gamer move flash animation or some shit and if you do it exactly right you can leap and not ooze

i have no idea

i got like, 6 different buttons that i can hit to get free

[neat parrot]

rav -> charge -> shield charge on caster, that should generate a decent ammont of rage + threat

[tribal wharf]

taunt also on primary target you want to build threat on

big taunt if big pull

claps sc if smaller

[neat parrot]

usually in big pulls with lust such as nw first pull its better to aoe taunt all and shockwave to make sure pepega dps dont get clamped in full cds cuz they dont understand the threat system after 20 yrs

[tribal wharf]

big taunt is very powerful but dont undersend it

godsend spell

taunt everything for tank, uh, ya?

[violet ginkgo]

I wish it can be just 1 min CD instead of 1 min 30 secs

damn why can't we have nice things yogi while warrior is not having that much utility

[tribal wharf]

we trade utility for dont die points

[graceful kite]

Utility is a meme

[woeful trellis]

what do we use as embelish on wpn?

[graceful kite]

How many packs are you pulling in nw

Cuz i dont get aggro issues

[strong forum]

We don't embellish weapon

[graceful kite]

Leap on a ranged bloodworker

[smoky anvil]

Dawnthread chads rise up

[opal sierra]

does crit affect crit blocks at all or is it just mastery

[woeful trellis]

ty nom

[graceful kite]

Crit affects parry

It shows in a stat tooltip

[normal current]

Gents what’s the new haste breakpoint for into the fray?

Colossus if that makes a difference

[tribal wharf]

40

[sweet summit]

nome make itf pin :deswindstream:

[smoky anvil]

Too high for your average guy

[graceful kite]

Too many pins to do

[sweet summit]

pin this

:pantsgrab:

[normal current]

Cheers

[silent sphinx]

which 636 piece would you guys recomend crafting

looking at sword/shield

[graceful kite]

Shield sword something else

If you dont mythic raid

[silent sphinx]

im a farrrrr way away from mythic raiding

can't even clear heroic raid, 7/8 :[

[graceful kite]

Then shield sword something else

I can craft you a sword if ure on ravencrest

[silent sphinx]

uh silvermoon, still need to farm gilded crests

[graceful kite]

Or i caninvite you tomy guild to craft

Many scammers floating around overcharging

[untold isle]

Guys, can you please advise me? I am Raiding Mythic as Fury, but doing M+ as Tank. havent crafted anything yet. here is my profile : what do you suggest I craft now?

https://raider.io/characters/eu/burning-blade/Hyar

[tribal wharf]

okay name change

[nocturne spindle]

a shield

[untold isle]

and next?

[nocturne spindle]

bracers and belt with embellishments

[untold isle]

not cloak ?

[nocturne spindle]

you want to luck out into the rare cloak in theory

but cape also works

[untold isle]

Thanks

[plush tendon]

focus on Mythic Raid gearing

I think Fury wants 2h for off hand correct?

[sick sentinel]

seen the r1 war running colossus is that a chad-only thing? or is it more defensive value than thane

[versed hedge]

Anyone else struggling to keep aggro sometimes? Not like im doing low dmg but i aint doing 4-5 mill burst like these dps are

[south zealot]

its less defensive value

[sweet summit]

higher keys kinda want more damage to time. tank survivability doesn't seem to be the limiting factor

[south zealot]

but yeah ^

[sick sentinel]

ok so haze myself with colossus while i learn the keys gotcha

[sweet summit]

i'm thinking of hopping on the colossus train. tried it for the first time earlier this weekend and it kinda owns

[sick sentinel]

really liked the tclap reset on gathers with avatar on mountain thane but

w/e

[sweet summit]

me too

it feels great

i love thunder clap

very poggers and epic spell

[graceful kite]

Its a meme

[sick sentinel]

thats it im mountain thane now

[graceful kite]

R1 wars are heroic ilvl and random bullshit builds

[graceful kite]

Nah jts alright

[ripe seal]

@shut summit Please don't go Fury on Ovinaxx anymore, my RL was watching your public logs and him seeing you swap to Fury is weakening my case of staying prot on this fight, I beg and plead

[fathom robin]

Zekvir's Lair best done as prot?

[ripe seal]

Yes, Sense have done it 3 times and I've done it aswell

[fathom robin]

Thanks!

[jagged pier]

yer its a joke

[waxen frigate]

Thunder clapped ur mom’s mountains last night until she called me thane

[lusty grotto]

🫡

[graceful bramble]

🫡

[sweet summit]

mods

ban him

[waxen frigate]

Ban(ged) your mom

[smoky anvil]

Till she called you Him?

[waxen frigate]

I’m him. I’ve been him. I will continue to be him.

[sweet summit]

not if i have anything to say about it

✂️

[reef hazel]

roughly how much does a crafted shield cost :>

[south zealot]

bout ye much

[waxen frigate]

Chop em off I’ll just scissor your mom til the cows come home

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1152676862192009377.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[west bane]

I'm going for a neck as there is no neck with haste in the game outside of the one from the raid the very rare one

[nocturne spindle]

the fuck

is this true

[lusty grotto]

no

stonevault neck exists

[nocturne spindle]

they are all kinda shitty levels of haste now that i look

stinky

[lusty grotto]

who cares

ilvl > all and it'll only be there until sikran neck comes along

[tribal wharf]

619 from delves

hold over till craft/raid drop i suppose

[nocturne spindle]

619

[tribal wharf]

i mean shit

IT IS WHAT IT IS lmao

[nocturne spindle]

its okay

im still stuck with 606 pvp boots

game hates me

[smoky anvil]

They think it don’t be what it is, but it do.

[lusty grotto]

i mean, yogi is right, you can get a good neck from delve maps and vault

so 🤷

[tribal wharf]

worst comes to worst ill just craft a neck, prolly gunna be AT LEAST 2 weeks till im 619 ilvl equip

[lusty grotto]

ill stick to my stonevault neck for now

which has a socket 🙂

[tribal wharf]

also that, SV neck, haste and mastery

mastery not super ideal but no bitching i say

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

[tribal wharf]

oh, also the craft comes with crit haste garunteeable and garunteed socket

socket by defualt even

[nocturne spindle]

everything is a garunteed socket on jewelry

[tribal wharf]

so thats mega value

i was thinking of craft cloak, or boots, but no points for boots

[lusty grotto]

you can craft

its just false to say

that there isnt a haste neck in the game

outside of sikran's

or raid's cause theres Rash's neck also exists

[nocturne spindle]

to open my vault as prot and prayge for a shield

or arms

[neon elk]

Depends, do u mythic raid ? Whats your current shiled?

[nocturne spindle]

i have a 636 crafted

i might try and pug ulgthrax or whatever

[sleek wagon]

do i have to change loot specs to loot mark of khadros from GB

[graceful kite]

10k gold value

[lusty grotto]

you have to kill bloodbound for vault

its 2 bosses per slot

[nocturne spindle]

yea but first guy just drops the shield

[wanton oak]

Pretty new to playing Prot and having fun with it - not looking to sprint into +7/8's or higher, just looking to improve rotation and efficiency. Wondering if anyone is willing to give a few pieces of advice from a +3 log. Thanks in advance for the time! 🙂
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KaRWDNbAYnrzQyFC#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

[lusty grotto]

right but youre not gonna have a mythic raid slot in vault without the 2nd boss

so youre just gonna gamble on it dropping

aside from 10+ keys of course

[nocturne spindle]

less revenge more shield slam and thunder clap

[graceful kite]

low block uptime, you should always have shield block up when active tanking

[nocturne spindle]

^ it will help with this too

[lusty grotto]

holy moly

[nocturne spindle]

your revenging alot more than shield slam

so your not geting th shield block CD reduction

[lusty grotto]

shield block is your active mit, maintain it, that's incredibly low

[graceful kite]

you're using cooldowns thats really good

but shield block should always be up at all times

[coarse marten]

how you check this?

[nocturne spindle]

dur cd.. duration

words hard

TLDR SHIELD SLAM MORE

[graceful kite]

damage taken > melee > hover on tu

[lusty grotto]

damage taken, your char, hover over hits on blockable attacks such as melee

but not limited to, check the sheet in #protection-faq for blockable / spellblockable attacks (as well as reflectables)

[smoky anvil]

Spell block is goated.

One of my favorite button presses.

[lusty grotto]

also reminder that spell block requires SB to be up

otherwise youre relying on chance

[sleek wagon]

do i need to change my loot spec to dps to loot mark of khadros from GB?

[smoky anvil]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sleek wagon]

ty

[neon elk]

I wouldnt gamble prot vault just for 3 ilvls on shield . How about your wep?

[nocturne spindle]

weps already 639 from week 1 vault

[lusty grotto]

i mean i would gamble on it if i didnt dual spec

[smoky anvil]

I’d be inclined to roll as dps

[lusty grotto]

its a lot of "ifs"

3 ilvls on shield is 100% absolutely worth it

youre not getting that block anywhere else

and then you'd be set if you get a myth shield, no reason to open as prot until next season

unless if you kill mythic queen

for a sidegrade

[wanton oak]

Thank you all for the quick thoughts! Appears I have one key button to work on 🙂

[nocturne spindle]

its a very bandaid fix and shouldnt be used later

but to start you CAN (not should) macro shield block to an attack

[lusty grotto]

no

dont do that

[smoky anvil]

Just press the button.

Maybe make a weak aura to track it easier.

[lusty grotto]

[agile elbow]

There's two weak auras that are pretty great for tanking as a warrior. There's a SB tracker and IP tracker.

[lusty grotto]

the IP tracker isnt needed

just the SB tracker

ip is a rage dump, get used to using it as a rage dump

its value does not matter

its uptime does not matter

at the beginner level

[smoky anvil]

Can confirm that pressing the shit out of it at high rage has drastically helped my gameplay and avatar uptime.

[vague abyss]

can my log be checked too please? would love tips on why im melting sometimes on 6/7 keys https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WBXFmgAk1J7w9rt4#fight=97&type=damage-taken&source=266

[wanton oak]

What SB WA do you guys use?

[vague abyss]

learned a bit too late that anima slash can be reflected

[lusty grotto]

most warrior weakauras have an SB tracker, if not all of them

[vague abyss]

umm in my case i use Luxthor classauras, and Kodas aura, lemee find those one sec

the only thing i changed from Luthor's is to make the SB button glow when is not active, sometimes i forget when the fight gets chaotic

[nocturne spindle]

do you have any logs where you die to not patty cake

probably more insightful to look at

[agile elbow]

https://wago.io/MD_v3xG0r

[vague abyss]

yep, thats a idiot me thing xD

[nocturne spindle]

but similar to above

[wanton oak]

Thank you!

[nocturne spindle]

36% not blocked hits

[smoky anvil]

Fuck patty cake. My brain is too smooth to handle that shit sometimes.

[nocturne spindle]

MORE SHIELD BLOCK VIE MORE SHIELD SLAM

[agile elbow]

Can just disable the IP if you don't want it.

[vague abyss]

i guess this +6 one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XKr1WJgjcm8Qp94z#fight=1&type=summary

how i read this? 83% blocked hit means basically 83% uptime?

[nocturne spindle]

two things

[lusty grotto]

hover over hits, not that

[vague abyss]

oh, in that case 90%

[lusty grotto]

yes

thats pretty decent

always room for improvement

but decent

[strong fox]

Are we able to keep SB uptime at 100%?

Is that reasonable or possible?

[nocturne spindle]

theoretically yes but probably not

[lusty grotto]

yeah you'd have to be a robot

[vague abyss]

yeah thats good at least, i have tried to keep that on, but i sometimes let it drop on raids when i have to look at mechanics xD

[lusty grotto]

but we can get close

96-98% are very doable

[strong fox]

I'm just wondering how annoying I should make my SB missing aura be

[fathom robin]

AI is coming for our tanking jobs

[nocturne spindle]

on a dummy its pretty easy to get 100% uptime

[lusty grotto]

warriors rely on block, so its important

[strong fox]

Because my concecration one is ludicrous for my prot pally

[vague abyss]

I just changed Luthor WA's so it glows when shield block is not up

so i can see in a glance that im an idiot

[strong fox]

Oh, that's a good idea

[smoky anvil]

Hey. Be gentle with yourself. The mobs won’t be.

[fathom robin]

🤣

[strong fox]

One more quick question re: SB - is it bad to stack sb? sometimes I double press at the start of pulls when rage is high. Is that griefing?

[lusty grotto]

no

it stacks in duration but

it has a cap

[vague abyss]

yeah, is my first ever tanking, so im learning from the start, then i jumped in my warlock that is being m+ neglected, and... damn not having to care about those things is good for a break xD

[lusty grotto]

at the start of a pull, you can stack it

just remember the duration cap is

3 times its base duration

anything you press after it, will be lost

thats why you dont want to macro it

[neon elk]

In that case go for prot spec unless u play fury/arms and need wep there

[strong fox]

Oh, so, ideally, you are just pressing the button as you need it

i.e. git gud

The duration cap is good info to have

[lusty grotto]

well you can ham it twice at the start of a pull, given that pull will last long enough

otherwise dont

[nocturne spindle]

yea the 6 mists lok pretty decent for the most part

[vague abyss]

thats the thing, the 6 mist was a breeze, the 7 mists i was taking heavy damage

we literally timed that key with zero seconds lol

[tribal wharf]

if i can do 99% shield block up time, you can too

[lusty grotto]

keep in mind details is misleading

[nocturne spindle]

yea th +7 you had very low SB uptime

64%

thats basically the problem

[vague abyss]

idk how i can do big dps like that, i used to be able to do that in heroics and the first week of mythic, but idk why i can do that now. Probably not casting revenge enough

[tribal wharf]

details is only half the picture, but its a dash cam on your car for when you crash

one of those old shitty 240p 10fps things

general idea of what did or did not happen

[lusty grotto]

revenge aint it

are you thane?

[vague abyss]

yeah will take this in account, thanks for the tip!. I already guessed that SB uptime was the problem.

[lusty grotto]

if youre thane revenge aint it

[strong fox]

Thunderclap be clappin' them cheeks

[vague abyss]

ye, im pressing SS and Thunder clap as much as i can, sometimes Violent Outburst trolls me and triggers when my SS is on cooldown and my clap is up. So im not sure if the correct point of action then is to wait SS or use clap (in single target of course, i know clap++ is good in aoe)

[nocturne spindle]

for single target you wanna execute alot

its hyuge damage

[vague abyss]

oh thats a thing i wanted to ask too!, in a execute window, whats the priority of execute? is still below SS and clap right?

as thane

[lusty grotto]

generators are SS is always higher prio

even as colossus

[nocturne spindle]

it can basically replace revenge

on boss

[south zealot]

eh thunderclap > revenge is bad on colossos

but ss big prio

[lusty grotto]

youre 79% on ilvl parses, youre fine

yeah true

your SS APM is low though

12

13 rounded up

not horrible, but not as high as it should be

[strong fox]

Not to leap (hehe) in here, but would the IP SS macro improve SS apm?

[bronze wraith]

Hey, why is silken chain weaver good? It was rated A on wow head for protection warrior

[lusty grotto]

it could if used correctly

as per the macro

[strong fox]

Oh fer sure, use it to replace IP NOT SS

[lusty grotto]

because attack speed slows are gigantic for warrior

[bronze wraith]

Wait really? That is surprising. Do we know how much they slow over level 80?

[lusty grotto]

why is it surprising

if a mob attacks slower

and youre blocking

[vague abyss]

i suspect the reason of that is lag and toaster issues, im venezuelan so i play on American servers, with usually is more or less 90-100ms, but i do suffer a bit of frames, around 30-50 fps depending on how hectic the fight is

[lusty grotto]

not to mention there's several attacks that apply shit on hit like the invader poisons in Siege

so attack speed slows are huge

ask us how we did experiments last exp

mythic experiments

and mythic zskarn

[bronze wraith]

Because there are other trinkets that give millions in shield on the same cd that are ranked much much lower. I swapped to it, but haven't run relevant content since I got it

[lusty grotto]

also it stacks with other attack speed slows

[smoky anvil]

I love my chain

[lusty grotto]

yes a shield will work best with burst damage

but youre not taking burst damage in keys that you cant handle with spell block and wall outside of r1/title keys

youre taking constant attacks

for the majority of it

[bronze wraith]

I don't understand trinkets for shit this expac so far

[smoky anvil]

Get a big sac and something else and call it a day.

[bronze wraith]

I fell on love with swarmlords authority. These two might be really good together

[nocturne spindle]

just get a huge sac and pump pump pump

[bronze wraith]

Which one is the sac?

[smoky anvil]

Sacbrood out of Ara-K’ara

[pallid quiver]

Another note is that, unless its been chained, it also works on bosses and stacks with all the other attack slows in the game, as well

So you get very notable mit out of it

[vague abyss]

another thing im trying to improve is that when im opening, im usually missing gcds because for some reason some attacks are not happening, specially Demo shout.

My usual charge into mobs looks like -> Charge-Ravager-Spear-Shout-Avatar/SC-Clap

Im trying to change it so i throw ravager close to the pack first before charge so i save a GCD there

i really dont like that i have to spam that demo shout button if i want it to go off, otherwise i will not do it and start the SS/Claps and notice i didnt use it

[bronze wraith]

Is that one pure damage? Also, how often does it proct?

[lusty grotto]

its main stat, so its not pure damage

[bronze wraith]

What % does it give on bosses? The tool tip says it does less to mobs over 80

[lusty grotto]

any stat for warriors is both offensive and defensive

including but not limited to Strength

so anything that gives you stats, is both offensive and defensive

[earnest nymph]

what about 3ndaries

[bronze wraith]

I ran defensive trinkets in DF. Ire and rageheart were my go to. It is hard to get out of that mindset

[lusty grotto]

nah those are strictly one or the other

3rdtiaries, i mean

🙂

[earnest nymph]

😄

[lusty grotto]

there i fixed it

[daring grove]

Do we use dungeon slice to sim M+? It says unreliable fight style and the SimC Prot module does not support it. Just wondering if there's a better thing to click?

[lusty grotto]

5t patchwerk 1 min or 1.5 min

[daring grove]

Thank you.

[plush tendon]

I usually just sim ST

it tends to be close enough

[hardy snow]

dropped on first kill

[lusty grotto]

gz

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-a-merican-psycho-very-nice-impressed-gif-5536509

[tribal wharf]

i didn't want to know the stats anyways

[jagged pier]

vers mastery

[hardy snow]

haha 😄 its vers+mastery, didn't want to make ss too big

[tribal wharf]

hope destryoed

[split stream]

Does Warcraftlogs properly track shield block uptime? Doing log reviews and seeing a weird 100+ count activation for over 20 wipes but 13% uptime..

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

didnt beat me on damage smh

i have a fang as a trinket

and im not maining warrior

[tribal wharf]

i don't even have logs turned on i think

havent bothered to look

[reef hazel]

What stats should I craft on shield, I see people doing vers + haste?

[hardy snow]

yea, only 725k

[undone beacon]

Is the Reinforced Wax Plating a decent passive defensive option or nah?

[junior viper]

should i be going into the fray at big haste levels or stick with heavy rep?

[lusty grotto]

35-40 unbuffed is recommended

[jagged pier]

there are 0 passive defensive options that are good

[junior viper]

ah i only at 24% so ill keep heavy rep ty

[strong forum]

at those haste levels its kinda fine to do keys

for weekly keys

[undone beacon]

Sadge, another delve map wasted then 💀

[strong forum]

but for push keys its iffy

[twilit burrow]

is stonevault 3rd boss safe spot still working?

[strong forum]

which boss is that

but also, just go onto the vent that isnt spewing fire

[twilit burrow]

Forge Speakers

[strong forum]

there is tiny safe spots on the sides of the vents, but just go onto the safe vent

[twilit burrow]

there is (was?) a spot that you can sit and never move for any mech bt the cannon

[lusty grotto]

no

that got giga fixed this week

[twilit burrow]

k

[echo egret]

Is the 3rd boss of NW horribly bugged with the hook, or my puggers just very bad ?

[chilly brook]

it's such a free boss though

[quasi pivot]

One day Blizz will grow some 🥚 and 30day ban anyone who uses an exploit and revert their key/raid progress.

[chilly brook]

literally go to vent that doesn't have fire

and kick the cast

gg ez

[earnest nymph]

it just has to be aimed pretty much exactly at the boss

nothing can be in between the add and the boss when it throws the hook

and I believe there is a max range, although it's pretty large I think

[echo egret]

ok

More of the latter then, he ruined my last two 7-8 attempts

[earnest nymph]

assuming people aren't just avoiding the mechanic entirely, the biggest problem I usually see in pugs is people standing on the wrong side of the add when the hook starts

and they panic trying to get it to the other side of the add and can't get it there in time

[echo egret]

aye

also, in NW, do we still ignore the gatekeepers in 1st area, or are they needed for the (new) count ?

[earnest nymph]

they're not required for count

most of the rest of the dungeon is, but you don't have to pull those

[echo egret]

👍

[tawdry cloak]

You basically have to choose whether you want narzudah or the gatekeepers. You can’t make a 100% route while avoiding both. If you have a purge, go narzudah with an orb. If not, grab one of the shields in the first area and use it on the gatekeeper’s big aoe damage channel

[waxen frigate]

@sweet summit ur mom says hi

[sharp mural]

Guys a question, I am a protection warrior from second part of legion so I am not knew to this class and spec. And never had I ever was getting so much ass whooping in m+. I keep shieldblock, I have 80-85 % of time have ignore pain, and shieldwall is most of time on cd, but I still get jumping hp like I am a dk. Is it normal this trash do so much dmg?

[agile elbow]

Depends what the trash is.

Magic damage? Spell block.

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

[sharp mural]

I have aura for it, and use it each time there is a cast for me

[agile elbow]

There are some dots that neeed to be kicked because they do ridiculous damage and poison too in some dungeons

[sharp mural]

I strugle mostly in siege and grim batol

[lusty grotto]

any logs?

[sharp mural]

No, I havent log in m+ this season

[tribal wharf]

100% block uptime isnt as important as 100% block (spell and normal) on abilities that matter

[mighty valley]

in siege it's probably singing steel and in grim batol there's a mob with a stacking enrage that you need to cc + walk away til it resets

[lusty grotto]

can you search for your character in WCL and check if anyone else has?

[tribal wharf]

i downloaded some plater profile and its great, just i want the way the hp bars appeared like normal to return, like, the font type and size used, other things

[sharp mural]

Awanturník on burning legion eu

[blissful ether]

Trying to figure out wether to go prot war or VDH for this season. is there any notable difference between the 2 regarding ease to play in pugs with?

[tribal wharf]

wish i can just take all the mobs and import that to my ui

[turbid shuttle]

much easier to live as pwar over vdh

[agile elbow]

There's a dot the beguiler casts that can wreck you if on you and There's a poison that is fucking terrible in siege.

[lusty grotto]

yeah there's only 1 log for mists, so idk if thats relevant

low APM across the board

[sharp mural]

Is that enough? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/27477755?zone=39

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xPDJrhFdpYcZVN29#fight=7&type=casts&source=738

youre not reflecting anima slash

but did use spell block on 2 of the hits

[sharp mural]

Apm?

[lusty grotto]

88% effective uptime on SB which is okay-ish

[vague abyss]

actions per minute

[lusty grotto]

actions per minute or casts per minute (CPM)

[vague abyss]

shield slam gets up a lot, so you can easily get behind on the CPM

[vague abyss]

if i combine spell reflect and spell block, i can block both anima slashes in those pulls?

like it will reflect a slash and block the other?

[lusty grotto]

you can spell block 2 different sets

because spell block lasts 30s

but preferably you want to reflect cause it does big damage

[marble night]

Can tier drop from delve vault? Anyone know 🤔

[lusty grotto]

yes

[vague abyss]

yes

[agile elbow]

Yes

I've gotten 2 616 tier pieces from vault

[vague abyss]

if you do tier 7+ it will drop hero tier

[marble night]

Dang guess I should do my delves before vault

[mighty valley]

i'd recommend taking intimidating shout, easy to pick up and it's another cc

[sharp mural]

It is my go to talent, but I did some experiments, so it might have been in one of the logs i guess

[mighty valley]

fair enough

[lusty grotto]

try your best to log the dungeons that you're having problems with

[mighty valley]

this log has disrupting shout as well, can't really think of any huge uses for it in mists

[lusty grotto]

and get back to us

[sharp mural]

Ok, thx for advices

[lusty grotto]

GB has 2 huge reflects that you should do in trash btw

otherwise if you dont have spell block up, you will get dunked on

[sharp mural]

To be honest I usually do better when I am pugging then with guild when we talk over discord, kinda distracts me a little

[lusty grotto]

i get that

i mute myself in raid, i can do keys while talking and calling out

but my ADHD hits hard on mythic prog so i have to mute myself 24/7

[sharp mural]

I see, well there is a lot of happening during the m+, raids are far more predictible

[slim herald]

Good evening. Mountain vs colossus?

What is best?

[lusty grotto]

yeah the best advice for that is to minimize what youre tracking and focus only on what will kill you or affect you

get rid of everything that is of no use to you

which might include IP tracking

and defensives on parties if you run OmniCD

and then just focus on the stuff that's hurting you solely

[sharp mural]

Actually I have 2 theoretical questions. First, I have 27% haste (no itf) at which % you think i should switch to itf, and do You cast revenge outside of the proc?

[lusty grotto]

35 to 40% is recommended

revenge proc doesnt matter for thane

its still dead last in prio

[sharp mural]

Hmm so thats might be also a problem for me

[lusty grotto]

you can ignore it safely

a small one perhaps, its not as impactful

[sharp mural]

Yeah but its not only when proc, I sometimes hit it to reset shield slam, so I spend rage for it, that means less rage for ip

[lusty grotto]

you should hit it if SS and TB/TC are down

dont feel bad about it

thats the proper use

[sharp mural]

And from what I heard I should never had problem with shield slam and thunderclap resets

[sharp gale]

It’s your filler, you seems to use it as filler so it’s good

[sharp mural]

Alright

[sharp mural]

So this is recomended value to switch to into the fray?

[sharp gale]

Yes it is

[lusty grotto]

except in dawnbreaker, where pulls are quite far apart

there are some exceptions such as that

thats the most notable one

but yes 35% to 40% is what we recommend to make the swap

there's no shame in running HR, i run it

[sharp mural]

I never said it, but from last exp it was always some boost in dps

[lusty grotto]

yea

it always is

[smoky anvil]

HR fucks sometimes with repeat SS procs. Can get burly SB dura.

[pallid quiver]

God, this one brings me pain, because I try to pull around my party's defensive availability, and then they die and say, "There was nothing I could do, I had nothing to press. WTF Tank, Heals"

[lusty grotto]

havent had that issue

Alkaraz

[jagged gust]

they meant fucks in a good way

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, Alk meant it's mega popping when you get like 3 free SS in a row from thane

[marsh axle]

hey, i craft a 2h and bracers for 1st craft but i'm thinking to switch to tank to do some keys, is better craft a shield or a weapon?

[graceful kite]

I literally tell my group what to press in discordd

[tribal wharf]

DB has bfg9000 and tank buster first boss, not a big fan of boss

[pallid quiver]

Shield's the most important piece defensively, but ilvl is all that matters on it. So if you have a high ilvl shield from OS rolls those will do

[jagged gust]

technically neither, but if you don't have access to myth tier then crafting a shield with gilded crests will be your best bet

[lusty grotto]

pulling around defensives is weird

you pull around offensives

not defensives

[pallid quiver]

Correct, but

[lusty grotto]

thats why i didnt mention offensive cd tracking when removing

[tribal wharf]

flying around and have to collect orbs to not die and then if you are too close you die to explode and have to wait for tank to land and taunt

and have to do it x2

[pallid quiver]

the people just keep dying to like single pack mobs, so sometimes i just sit and have to wait or they will just die

[tribal wharf]

i think its a hard fight

[graceful kite]

dawnbreaker is very easy

tho I failed to heal it an hour ago

miserably

[pallid quiver]

It's 100% the hardest fight in the instance

[misty rain]

I'm having the worst time trying to tank the 2 guardian packs in the Mists maze trash pulls. Anybody got some suggestions for how to deal with the Mistveil Guardians?

[graceful kite]

spell reflect

[pallid quiver]

Literally should be the only pain point in Dawnbreaker

[frank obsidian]

Yo, is it noticeable for the state of my face if my shield goes 619 -> 636? Big difference? 10 keys fuck me up sometimes

[pallid quiver]

CDs, from reflecting a slash to Shield Wall to Spell Block

[graceful kite]

biggest diff gear piece can make is the shield

[misty rain]

Anima Slash can be spell reflected? Any good list of reflectable spells somewhere?

[pallid quiver]

Numerically yes, but you shouldn't realistically notice it

[pallid quiver]

Pins

[graceful kite]

pins

[pallid quiver]

Sense has a reflect sheet in there

[lusty grotto]

it IS noticeable

[misty rain]

Schweet

[lusty grotto]

any ilvl gain on shield is very much noticeable

[frank obsidian]

Ok cool ty

[lusty grotto]

more so on track jumps

[pallid quiver]

You have to actively look for it; it makes a difference, but like

It's not something that will suddenly make you live at a +10 level

That's what I meant by noticeable

[lusty grotto]

ability non-withstanding, you certainly notice the impact of its mit

[pallid quiver]

It's not like you suddenly have a perma-shield wall on now or anything. You'll take less damage and can definitely track that, but a large majority of what trucks people is not handling mob abilities properly

[lusty grotto]

but yes i get what youre saying

its not a free get out of jail card just by having it

[pallid quiver]

So 100% worth grabbing, but double check mobs, too

[pallid quiver]

sorry for not being mega clear, cooking atm so have to type fast on phone

[lusty grotto]

lol

its ok

i was just nitpicking

[jagged gust]

more like nitpickchip

[lusty grotto]

ill allow it

[tender reef]

8er

hehehehehhe

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9y1fZKjaJLnFAmRd#fight=4&type=damage-done

sorry 8 lol

sadge

[ashen hearth]

what stats are prot warriors aiming for ? in a m+ haste versa or haste and crit ?

[jagged gust]

haste

[jagged pier]

Ilvl

Haste

Whatever u like

[graceful kite]

remember simming before raidbots

[jagged gust]

personally I'm haste/mastery because fury in raid lol

[smoky anvil]

Crit because big number make big smile after ilvl/haste

[ashen hearth]

i see sisee

thanks !

[tender reef]

this

10er key :(((

sadge pepego blue number

[jagged gust]

30% unblocked hits O.o

[tender reef]

to busy doing dmg

😄

[jagged gust]

ahhh, ITF

[tender reef]

and 8er sorry

lemme correc tthat

[tender reef]

wait no 36% were blocked according to this no ?

how do i read this

[lusty grotto]

you dont

youre hovering over the wrong thing

[jagged gust]

ugh my snip n clip is broken so I had to do that with mspaint

[ionic adder]

how do i sim survivability ? 😄

[jagged gust]

What's that site for oneshots?

[lusty grotto]

you cant

[jagged gust]

CanIsurvive or something?

[lusty grotto]

"the site for oneshots" is for dps only

not tanks

ortemis has a HUGE disclaimer on it that says its not for tanks

[jagged gust]

notevenclose, never mind found it

[jagged pier]

No?

[bleak breach]

What?

You sure it’s not just their aoe? That’s a single target thing, like you have to be hitting the target for it to activate

[lusty grotto]

sounds like false equivalency imo

have you checked logs?

replay in logs is pretty good for that

ok well

the best way you can find out is with logs

and running the replay

[valid bridge]

During the second boss in CoT should we be trying to tank the two mobs together for cleave or can they not be cleaved when they share a health pool?

[lusty grotto]

yes

theres 0 reason not to cleave

doesnt matter

you have more than enough time to handle it

[graceful kite]

losing damage is dumb in 99% of situations

dont lose damage

your job as tank is to gather things up

[lusty grotto]

they lose more damage by not being able to cleave

we know how it goes

youre denying damage on your casters by not having them close

casters do cleave, this aint classic

youre on a timer, you cant deny cleave when it should happen

especially on an overlap where you have 3 years to move from purple

so anyway

about that log

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I always make sure they’re next to each other as much as possible. I think nix is the one that doesn’t move as much if I recall correctly may have his name wrong

[soft loom]

How come it's not recommended that SS be macro into SB?

[lusty grotto]

youll overcap duration by doing that

[soft loom]

Ahh makes sense. How come IP is? Doesn't it potentially cause you to rage starve?

[lusty grotto]

did you read the fine print

[soft loom]

Probably not

[lusty grotto]

you use that macro to IP, not to SS

you need to SS with its own bind

if you understand that, you can probably put SS on your SB keybind to snipe resets as well but

its extremely important

[soft loom]

Nah that makes sense. Thanks

Can a SB wa be changed to glow for when you have a SB charge and it won't go over cap?

[lusty grotto]

difficult

[south zealot]

maybe but also you dont have to worry about the cap

[lusty grotto]

the cap is 3x the base duration

its not just overcap, if youre using SS + SB on a bind, you will very likely send an SB when the pack is about to die, losing a charge

or send both charges of SB

[soft loom]

Yeah right now I have it bound but uptime is only about 90%

[lusty grotto]

thats decent uptime

[soft loom]

Yeah but could be better.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[soft loom]

Don't want to be a squishy 10% of the time

[lusty grotto]

just not by much though

not sure why you feel squishy, but logs would help determine why youre feeling that way

if you indeed do have 90%+ uptime

[soft loom]

When I say squishy I just mean no mitigation up

[lusty grotto]

shield block is mitigation

[soft loom]

Yeah I know but it's only up for 90% for me

[lusty grotto]

and 90% is fine

are you playing Heavy Rep?

[soft loom]

Yeah

[mighty valley]

if you're just looking at details uptime that can be misleading anyway

[lusty grotto]

well then that number could be higher

we would need logs yeah

[soft loom]

Yeah ok I'll have a look at logs when I get a chance. I'm just going off details

[lusty grotto]

details can be misleading, like Harrow mentioned

so just keep that in mind

[unborn sable]

For heroic queen, should I be in prot stance or battle stance? aggro from our ppal is an issue during lust

Or when should i be in pstance vs bstance (heroic)

[mighty valley]

Since it has no cost or cooldown, you can just stay in battle stance and then switch into def stance whenever you're gonna take dangerous damage

Aggro really shouldn't be a problem though, if someone's ripping off you the problem is deeper than 3% crit

[jade trench]

I'm sometimes losing shield block and not having a change to spend. I don't remember that being a thing last expansion.
Is that normal?

[lusty grotto]

its not

are you running heavy rep ?

[tribal wharf]

drives me crazy on spies threads how keys is just instant for the circles but delay on low difficulty

[jade trench]

I can't check rn but I assume not or itd be very hard to do. That's the only thing that extends it yea?

[tribal wharf]

very maddening mechanic since it changes how it works

[pastel sleet]

Was bsv fixed? Im noticing a lot of warr in logs using it

[tribal wharf]

it was but still bad

[lusty grotto]

yes its extended by SS, you need to run it with low haste

otherwise you will keep running into those issues

[pastel sleet]

How was bsv changed or fixed

[lusty grotto]

it was fixed in DF S3

[pastel sleet]

Ah

[tribal wharf]

bad bc talents dropped for it are too large

[lusty grotto]

so 2-3 seasons ago

[jade trench]

Riiiiiiight, it's bc I'm not geared to the nipples like last xpac. Need haste.

Thank you kindly ❤️

[lusty grotto]

change into the fray into heavy repercussions

asap

[tribal wharf]

what tank is the most paper right now anyways

probably monk? agian?

[lusty grotto]

prot pally

[tribal wharf]

to melee, magic or dot?

[lusty grotto]

but its not unplayable

[tribal wharf]

thats 3 main ways die as tank

or 4th, no healer

[ebon wren]

what are reasons warrior is so good this season?

[tribal wharf]

big "don't die" energy

if played corectly

and okay dmg

[jagged gust]

Well Prot war hasn't changed whatsoever, it's literally just a perception thing

[tribal wharf]

or downside is we are a skill based class and dont have ranged interup

[graceful kite]

Same reason since s1 dragonflight

Nothing changed

[jagged gust]

Also that name feels like a Shoresy reference

[ebon wren]

I was guessing as self healing diminishes every tanks power except for warrior, warrior gets a relative boost

[graceful kite]

Well maybe melees are doing insane dmg

And thats a bonus

[jagged gust]

nah, tanks self healing wasn't nerfed nearly as much as public perception imagines it did

[graceful kite]

Too early to look

Every tank can easily do 10s

[south zealot]

warrior has been great for 5 patches in a row

[tender reef]

[jagged gust]

youtubers just recently discovered that prot war isn't bad so now we're here

[tender reef]

i cant believe there are people not running the free 40 rage execute

[south zealot]

SUDDEN DEATH?

[tender reef]

yea

[graceful kite]

They didnt theyre just making videos to make money

Like dorki suddenly thinks protwar has insane utility

[tender reef]

money the second best thing after execute proccs

[south zealot]

utility just isnt relevant for high keys

[graceful kite]

While literally nothing changed

[south zealot]

unless ur a healer in some situations

[graceful kite]

I was answering a thing about youtubers

[south zealot]

no matter what class is meta ppl will say its whatever random ass utility they have

i know im just saying

[graceful kite]

Im fully onboard that utility is a meme buzzword

Whatever gives more damage is best

[tender reef]

"cant invite you to the 8 we run, we need dk dh for grips"

blocked that loser

[cloud solstice]

first time hearing this but sure -_-

[jagged gust]

who tf is dorki? I see him mentioned here like once a day

[graceful kite]

Youtuber m+ tank

And streamer obv

[jagged gust]

ahhh just looked him up, he posts tier lists

I always assumed but never bothered checking

[graceful kite]

Everyone post tuer lists

[jagged gust]

that checks out

[graceful kite]

Its free real estate for youtubers

[jagged gust]

It also makes me lose respect for them, but 50k subs

you're not wrong

[graceful kite]

Why

Its their job

[warm plinth]

What did Nome say about that? Or Mwahi

[jagged gust]

I just opened that Yoda guide

that talent build

makes some choices

[merry sluice]

wiping on first boss SoB is diabolical

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bclq3.gif

[graceful kite]

I had a wipe on duo boss in +10 sv where healer disconnected after 10 seconds

Boss was on like 15% when we died

[tribal wharf]

people dying on the first boss of any key is a terrible omen

[graceful kite]

And healer reconnected and left

[merry sluice]

healer walks face first into bombs
dps wouldnt give off the damn adds i was tanking and stood in the frontal instead of hitting the boss, even when he was bombed

[tribal wharf]

first boss is usually by far the easiest

[merry sluice]

that's why i will always stand for leaving a key

in a +2? okay maybe theyre learning

+10 is stupid

[graceful kite]

Yea I told him today that his choices are weird but he seems to be now playing pretty much recommended build but with double wall

He says that double wall node is just preference which I strongly disagree with but whatever

[merry sluice]

nah its preference

if you prefer less wall uptime overall

😄

[tribal wharf]

leaving a 10 can be stupid

[merry sluice]

depends on the cause

if its a msitake ill stay

[tribal wharf]

but the key might just be mentally impossible for the team

[merry sluice]

if they categorically dunno the mechs of the first boss

[graceful kite]

I dont think I ever left a key

[merry sluice]

yeah im not wasting my time

honest mistakes ill stick it out 40 minutes over

[tribal wharf]

i'd be lying if i said i never left a key

[merry sluice]

evne further idgaf

[graceful kite]

I wouldnt stay in a key for hours obv but people need their vaults

[warm plinth]

I spent 5 hours in a 9 cathedral once in Legion teaching everyone the mechanics

[graceful kite]

And im fine with finishing stuff

[jagged gust]

I once had a mage quit the party when the timer hit 0 on the final boss, I whispered him why and he said "Because I respect my time"

[tribal wharf]

but i have a very simple policy, 3 wipes and then after 3rd wipe im hard considering leave

[graceful kite]

Even when we wipe 6 times to stitchflesh

[warm plinth]

We finished that bitch though

[tribal wharf]

2 back to back wipes on same boss is usually break point

for most groups

[graceful kite]

It becomes prog

[tender reef]

did he skill sudden death ?

[graceful kite]

Prog is fun

[merry sluice]

i mean yeah if i think the group can finish the key ill leave

but wiping first 20% on the frist boss + 5 deaths before frist boss to dps stacking on me in Siege aint it lmfao

i love seeing people calling the dungeon stupid when they sotod ina frontal

lmfao

[jagged gust]

didn't take punish or EA, swapped spear for TR (Which honestly I've considered, spear is such a garbage ability) and just a lot of weird side/downgrades

[frosty mango]

Accidentally pulled the middle pack plus a gate guy in nec wake at the start on a 10

No one died

Friending this healer forever

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

#protection message

[lusty grotto]

its been this channel for days

[onyx needle]

Hello all, I have been trying to find a way to macro Spear and Ravager together, since they have the same cd time and I tend to pop them together. Can someone help me with this? And yes I have checked out the macros channel and I am not seeing these to items together.

[lusty grotto]

you cant

you cant macro two gcds together

[onyx needle]

Ahh,, I did not know if there was a script to put in to do the .5 sec delay

[frosty mango]

A - you can’t
B - even if you could, you shouldn’t

[lusty grotto]

that only works in FFXIV

not in WoW

[frosty mango]

You can make 2 macros and assign them to the same key and one with a modifier

Then mash one and press your modifier

[onyx needle]

COuld i do use the cast at player and just do like the IP-SS macro so it is all one button

[lusty grotto]

no

[bleak breach]

Wowee mythic ulgraxx has a big health pool

[lusty grotto]

you cannot

IP is off-gcd

thats why it works

you cannot macro 2 gcds together, you would have to do some really weird macro shit like Roidberg is suggesting

[frosty mango]

Which is to say refer to my first point - don’t

Honestly you shouldn’t even use @ player because there’s a lot of times when you want to be able to target it

[onyx needle]

So, should use @ cursor, then?

[frosty mango]

Yeah or just use the reticle

[lusty grotto]

yeah both are fine

i use the reticule cause i dont trust myself on cursor macros

so it depends on what you feel is better

[frosty mango]

You don’t like your ravager on the ceiling?

[lusty grotto]

or on mists maze walls

[onyx needle]

Ok, i did not know, just trying to simplify things since I am loosing more control on my hands.

[lusty grotto]

understandable

[tribal wharf]

someone got the mount from +4 sv we timed with no lusts and 3 druids lol