i feel like the hurdle hasn't once been my survival or pull speed
just, oh damn,t here went 3-4 minutes in deaths...
oh hey, someone decided to stand 40 yards on Izo
#protection
merry sluice
then ofc the ONE TIME they decide to stack on tank is during the tank aoe...
or you know "what if I just aimed this cleaver through my party instead of the trash?
rando dps dies
"HEALER???"
lusty grotto
just be ranged and never come in for tank soak on fangs 😉
merry sluice
i was on fangs on my dkr ight
said i was gonna ams the 2nd knife
noone comes in for the first outside one melee
EVERYONE STACKS ON ME FOR THE 2ND
WTF
round pendant
I've only fucked up a few times in all the keys I've done so far
mainly due to not being familiar with the dungeons
like using my spell block and then the next pack is giga spell damage (like the casters at the end of SV)
those dudes hurt like hell
or double pulling because I falsely assumed my group would kick properly :^(
merry sluice
just be ranged and never come in for tank soak on fangs 😉
but, ofc, this assumes I even meake it to fangs.
bc now half my CoTs just turn itno wipe fests on the heralds that noone interrupts lmfao
or 3 deaths on first boss
south zealot
not much
round pendant
who's yoda
lusty grotto
people want BSV by removing ravager and when you tell them to drop SC/Champs instead and grab bolster they tell you that you're trolling
they name drop yoda, dorki, kira
south zealot
honestly idc if u drop shield charge or ravager
lusty grotto
they run ITF, which is fine, but then have to drop their 2 cents when you tell whoever asks that its recommended they wait for 35 to 40 haste
south zealot
ur picking bsv so you dont give a fuck anyways
round pendant
I like it because no spear
I hate spear
spear sucks
(if they doubled the radius it'd be fine)
plush tendon
I like it because no spear
thats a easy enough swap
lusty grotto
its been a goddamn circus these past few days
south zealot
2 - You can drop Cruel Strikes + Thunderous Roar for Endurance Training and Champion’s Spear talents, however IMO the damage loss is not worth it because prot warrior is almost never dying to 1shots so stamina is less valuable.
this is insane spot to draw the line
is roar+uproar even more damage than spear talents literally ever
plush tendon
they run ITF, which is fine, but then *have to drop their 2 cents* when you tell...
he drops punish and Alacrity
which makes me cringe
south zealot
with no thunderous words
plush tendon
south zealot
dropping punish is criminal af
lusty grotto
lmao
punish does such a fucking huge difference vs invaders and shredders
in siege
plush tendon
for Tyran bosses also
lusty grotto
especially without poison dispels vs invaders
violet ginkgo
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12cPxTThgdFBT9saOqQl9j9i3yGogm5feppko5GA_5io/...
hmmm is this the overly welldone steak? like 1 step after welldone?
lusty grotto
choco seriously you need to see how many people name drop yoda here during the day
like hes right about everything
plush tendon
I like Yoda, but that build is cooked like a well done steak with ketchup
round pendant
isn't his rotation also kinda scuffed
lusty grotto
its funny cause yoda was the one streamer that shittalked prot in beta
dorki didnt, kira didnt
yoda did
and yet
merry sluice
its funny cause yoda was the one streamer that shittalked prot in beta
well i'd shit talk prot wariror too
if i was taking hella backshots the whole time
lusty grotto
in:#protection yoda in the search see how many name drops this week
plush tendon
I knew Prot would be strong
plush tendon
but I also think 4/6 tanks are all very viable
lusty grotto
look
south zealot
yes thats just wrong
revenge proc means fuck all
shield slam is also just better than thunderclap
round pendant
it's glowing, that means you gotta press it!!
round pendant
yeah that's in that doc he linked
lusty grotto
jesus fucking christ
south zealot
well i think his idea is that revenge is good but you dont want to spend rage on it, bc ignore pain too vaulable defensively
lusty grotto
LMAO
merry sluice
"swarmlord's authority is the best trinket imo"
plush tendon
merry sluice
lusty grotto
dont consume rage to make wall reset faster guys!
plush tendon
"swarmlord's authority is the best trinket imo"
its the only semi-useful tank trinket this tier
merry sluice
*dont consume rage to make wall reset faster guys!*
which follows his section where he says to get haste to spend more rage for more anger management
so that's confusing
its like
normal kelp
is thunderous roar just not good anymore after nerf?
lusty grotto
dont consume rage to make wall reset faster guys, or to fish for your RAGE GENERATOR
holy fuck
hes recommending defender's aegis right?
cause we had a couple... today
south zealot
yes
he says its preference
but he prefers it
which is a fine thing to say i dont think its terrible information
lusty grotto
yeah i guess
plush tendon
hes recommending defender's aegis right?
they are all running it
south zealot
wall is better for sure IF youre using shield wall on cooldown (you should)
lusty grotto
i hate the fact that people come in here with questions about his build
i just dont understand why they dont just go to his disc
or twitch chat
south zealot
i dont want to play prot bro im so bad at tanking please dont make me get high io again
so ppl listen to my information
merry sluice
i just
round pendant
It just goes to show succeeding is more about just playing properly and not how you build your character
round pendant
You can do everything wrong and still succeed if your group kicks things and you don't just not use mitigation
merry sluice
i just dont get "why does guy build x thing"
let's not ask guy, and instead ask wariror discord.
"We don't build that"
"UGHHUHH JUST TEL ME WHY HE DOES IT"
round pendant
lol
round pendant
Gearing feels like a chore this season
lusty grotto
cloak, ring, trinkets is pretty much all i need and they never drop
SV, Siege, GB, AK all day every day
oh Dawn
those 5
because i need 2 rings
merry sluice
my bdk has like 2 fucking vet pieces still
but dw
lusty grotto
shit never drops
merry sluice
3 eggs in a row
wicked pollen
cloak, ring, trinkets is pretty much all i need and they never drop
i just ended up selling a sacbrood for 100k, i think i could have gotten it for +150
violet ginkgo
gg sacbrood
lusty grotto
trinkets are pretty much dead last prio for me
round pendant
yeah all the trinkets stink
lusty grotto
cause raid trinkets exist
round pendant
Feels wack seeing trinkets do like 2% damage
wicked pollen
trinkets are the highest prio bc i play dps
round pendant
compared to df where they'd do like 7-10%
wicked pollen
im fucking suffering without them
lusty grotto
but not having rings and cloak after so many runs this week hurts my soul
also i have mandate
wicked pollen
ill trade my rings
wicked pollen
shit
ill farm that one after i get my second sacbrood
or my shard from stonevault
lusty grotto
normal kelp
is thunderous roar any good?
south zealot
it dont matter play whichever you want
normal kelp
spear is better just for rage gen?
shy frost
any ideas for improvement points on this log? finding it a bit hard to analyse. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/khrnDmF8LqctzpTx#fight=9
south zealot
your cpms all around the board are low, cast more spells
ionic fern
You wasted 1.9k rage which is A LOT.
south zealot
i have about 15cpm on shield slam in about every key
south zealot
also make sure you have shield block up always and youre facing the enemies
shy frost
where do you find this?
wicked pollen
You wasted 1.9k rage which is A LOT.
is 900ish a lot?
lusty grotto
note: over hit
ionic fern
Realistically, you will almost always waste rage.
tender reef
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q1nrGvWKaYgVZ4Dw#fight=2&type=resources&source=2&spell=101
You guys seem in the mood, wanna check that one ? 
ionic fern
If you want something to aim at - try to aim below 1k wasted.
high wyvern
when do i play into the fray vs heavy repercussion?
wicked pollen
35-40
lofty veldt
For those who tried both hero talents, what was more fun to play? I only exclusively played mountain thane but demolish sounds like a fun ability to press
shy frost
put your mouse over melee (or any blockable) hit
Thanks a million!
shy frost
note: over *hit*
Booya!
shy frost
Where do you find the rage wasted one? 
ionic fern
Resources - rage.
neat parrot
is there an estimative ammount of crit haste vers that we want or its just how i feel better?
shy frost
Resources - rage.
ty!
south zealot
as much haste as u can legally get
neat parrot
For those who tried both hero talents, what was more fun to play? I only exclusi...
its meh, 45 secs cd, and you play arround revenge so less ip and only sb, cuz if you dont press revenge you wont do dmg but it hits like a truck, got like 4 m dps in nw 11
south zealot
after taht go equal parts crit and vers and youll be fine
neat parrot
as much haste as u can legally get
im 43% haste with 21 crit and 12 vers
neat parrot
but i started getting more vers haste gems cuz i started feeling squishi
violet ginkgo
as much haste as u can legally get
means there is "illegal" way? 🤣
neat parrot
so basically i want to keep haste at 40+ and play arround with crit / vers numbers?
lusty grotto
are you full myth?
neat parrot
no, hero, except a ring and a neck
lusty grotto
link armory
south zealot
stats are good keep getting more haste
lusty grotto
neat parrot
with fb and inti the fray im 43-45
lusty grotto
hmm
neat parrot
got it
lusty grotto
you dont have 40% haste
buffed haste doesnt really count
i dont play ITF
cause i dont have the haste for it
neat parrot
in pulls with into the fray? i do, but i didnt know buffed haste doesnt count
neat parrot
but tbh it s scary to add more haste since i will drop on vers, and i tried 2-3% vers which felt ugh horror movie
lusty grotto
vers wont make you survive
not at the numbers you're talking about
that's some placebo shit
neat parrot
might be
neat parrot
used to play bear and stacked haste vere
neat parrot
ye thats why i like vers gotta adjust
mild swan
the better ITF is
What is ITF?
lusty grotto
into the fray
mild swan
Wait, i thoght that gives you flat haste
round pendant
ITF isn't affected by diminishing returns
it's a % increase to your unbuffed haste afaik
so if you've hit DR and then get itf, you just get a fat amount of extra haste
it's multiplicative also
lusty grotto
yup 
round pendant
so I think you actually end up getting more than 2% per stack
round pendant
yeah so sad
lusty grotto
its still pretty strong
lime geyser
am i supposed to keep the 2nd boss of stonevault near the single crystal?
peak light
Sorry this might be a dumb question but what is a tactician proc?
peak light
Thanks 😛
Was searching for it but couldn't find it, figured that was it, had to double check
orchid gulch
That guide is one of the first things I read today and now my day is ruined.
peak light
I was reading that 
south zealot
yeah i think theres some pretty bad information
orchid gulch
Stick to nome's and mwahi's guides, I'd say. They're pretty solid advise.
peak light
Mind linking those ones?
south zealot
nomeraturs is wowhead mwahis is icyveins
peak light
Ah 😄 Ye I'll read them now
zealous goblet
Or how about...
Well shit there's not much to bicker over fuck.. Uhh
Disrupting shout was a popular talking point, still is?
orchid gulch
Nah.
Comes up once in a while but it's essentially potato / potato by now. You'd have better rates of success by arguing where to get the point from, I reckon.
violet ginkgo
i use it too i refuse to give up that talent
Let's give up Ravager for BSV then 
south zealot
i don’t care what talents ppl play anymore
lusty grotto
its the whole thing you swap to take it
south zealot
too much work
well
i don’t care as long as ppl take the insanely good talents
enduring alacrity? insanely good
lusty grotto
and they take BSV without Ravager WITH ITF BECAUSE APPARENTLY ITS MORE DAMAGE
like ????????????
south zealot
indomitable? insanely good
lusty grotto
youre taking BSV, holy shit
strong forum
i don’t care as long as ppl take the insanely good talents
I'm trying not to care
south zealot
lusty grotto
did you see what they said about "tank discords"?
zealous goblet
i don't know him
orchid gulch
Sounds like a fun read.
strong forum
I mean a well known name for us TCs
lusty grotto
oh lmao
zealous goblet
because i don't interact with this community past shitposting in here
lusty grotto
so notorius is what youre saying
lusty grotto
no wonder he doesnt try to engage with mods
strong forum
The shadow council is well aware
lusty grotto
zealous goblet
wait im watching this yoda guide rn and it hurts my eyes
this guy is just reading his word document
ionic fern
lusty grotto
i didnt even open it
strong forum
zealous goblet
i cant focus on the fucking content of it
lusty grotto
i could see it coming from a mile away when choco linked it lmao
orchid gulch
i didnt even open it
Probably the better choice ...
lusty grotto
but you know
zealous goblet
lusty grotto
its kind of a blessing in disguise
if anyone mentions yoda in here, we can just link them his guide
ionic fern
lusty grotto
and be like "yeah thats right mmhmm, oh we have no idea, have fun"
orchid gulch
Pain and Gain though.
molten gorge
Who's Yoda?
zealous goblet
i must have alzheimers 8% dr plus whatever armor he is losing must not be worth it
ionic fern
Wish i was a popular streamer. I would troll my stream so hard just to get them to go to class discords and be like "but mwahi said to run x".
molten gorge
Wish i was a popular streamer. I would troll my stream so hard just to get them ...
Like that episode of Sunny in Philly, who gets their cult member to do the craziest stuff
strong forum
My sanity was preserved by not taking things so seriously anymore
lusty grotto
kinda feel Nish and Funky could pull it off with the bleed support and 2h tanking specs
😄
strong forum
Life and let life
south zealot
same too much work to overcare
zealous goblet
My sanity was preserved by not taking things so seriously anymore
"it's a game"
"always has been."
i forgot the question mark
strong forum
All I care about is correct info going out
Pwar tree is so busted that you have to try and make a build that cannot do high keys
zealous goblet
if you'd like a week off or something i can write guides
i can introduce people to my minimum button pressing guide
orchid gulch
Yoda 2.0 inc
ionic fern
Pwar tree is so busted that you have to try and make a build that *cannot* do hi...
Even then you can get carried by your team.
strong forum
As long as you don't actively avoid 98% of the talents below the 2nd gate on prot tree
ionic fern
strong forum
Likelyhood of being 90% proficient is high
lusty grotto
remember when Asmongold tanked 18s or was it 28s?
zealous goblet
As long as you don't actively avoid 98% of the talents below the 2nd gate on pro...
sweats nervously
strong forum
Pwar tree is literally
"have you spent 8 points below 3rd gate?"
If the answer is yes, you can probably tank just fine
any keylevel
That's how failsafe our tree is
lusty grotto
i guess i should take a page from your books
orchid gulch
I mean, we have people avoiding ravager and punish and taking BSV because some streamerman said so. 3rd grade might be a challenge.
plush locust
Are the guides on Maxroll also to be avoided?
strong forum
Nah
orchid gulch
Wish they'd make BSV into an actual cheat death mechanic.
strong forum
They did a good job at condensing the info into 1 page
vale bolt
I'm going to play colossus in high keys and post my build to see the discord hit nuclear levels of meltdown
south zealot
so much dammmm
strong forum
Did less dmg than me
ionic fern
south zealot
unfortunate im just bad at tanking things so i cant do that
lusty grotto
now thats a chef, what a cook
south zealot
lmao
ionic fern
My new m+ build
soft aspen
Why that guide doesn’t take champions spear
strong forum
Which one Brian
soft aspen
Wowhead
strong forum
For which build
potent bison
u guys know if have a updated required m+ percentage addon?
strong forum
There's several builds, gotta be more specifc 😄
lusty grotto
warp deplete works
elfin garden
they fixed warpdeplete
lusty grotto
elfin garden
typo 😄
zealous goblet
NOOB
vale bolt
On the real, does anyone stance dance for high content anymore? Now that they removed the damage reduction on dstance is it really a big loss to not be in bstance?
strong forum
Not as much, no
lusty grotto
nah, i sit in no-stance
strong forum
Even I sit in d-stance like 75% of the time
zealous goblet
is glad stance still meta
lusty grotto
the real move
zealous goblet
vale bolt
Ye I'm thinking of doing the same tbh. How much is 3% crit really anyway
lusty grotto
just press both battle and d stance buttons at the same time to no-stance, ez
vale bolt
Plus, if dstance means I can add another pack to my pull, then I do more damage anyway
thorny stone
I use warpdeplete, took a few guildies who only do m+ at like 4-5 lvl to a Stonevault 10 for the weekly chest, and, if you didnt know, the timer can overflow with that addon
strong forum
Plus, if dstance means I can add another pack to my pull, then I do more damage ...
That's not rly how it works
You pull based on what your group can live
Not what you can live
Cuz 98% of the time your group is the one dying, not you
vale bolt
I don't play tank to think about my group bucko. They are npcs
strong forum
Right
molten gorge
Lol
orchid gulch
That's a deplete take, though.
zealous goblet
You pull based on what your group can live
"team, i have made the executive decision to pull all 3 zolranus gatekeepers."
lusty grotto
real move, soloing the 12
strong forum
Exactly
vale bolt
Lmao
strong forum
Like
I could pull way bigger than my group could handle
But there's no point
That's why pull size is out the gate, limited
orchid gulch
"team, i have made the executive decision to pull all 3 zolranus gatekeepers."
"Stay in your seats and buckle up"
junior patio
The guides mention you could drop Spell Block & Bloodsurge for Bloodborne - what is the advice/ thoughts on that?
vale bolt
Tbh with the amount of required kicks in every pack it seems blizzard are heading more and more in the direction of pull 1 pack at a time
lusty grotto
that was their intention for this season
orchid gulch
That's fine.
gritty eagle
anyway, dstance in trash pulls isnt anything you (or i at least) would do
lusty grotto
its not really subtle
strong forum
Tbh with the amount of required kicks in every pack it seems blizzard are headin...
Correct
soft aspen
what’s the purpose though
vale bolt
5 target capped classes rise up. Fury rise up!
orchid gulch
Maybe at one point DPS will dust off their spellbook and find an interrupt in there.
south zealot
idk man dogshit change
lusty grotto
blizzard hates big pulling, thats why SL caps exist
zealous goblet
i don't blame them. it's a lot easier to balance around 1 pack pulls. instead of expecting tanks to have 2 massive aoe silences that they need to compete with, for example.
south zealot
ppl like bigass pulls, blizard does not
vale bolt
That and swirly vomit. Holy moly every aoe damage instance also has swirly vomit
south zealot
every single enemy has an ability now
gritty eagle
anyone running disruptive shout in any dungeon btw`?
vale bolt
Playing disc priest has been hell lmao
strong forum
I'm not
south zealot
nobody just hits the tank
ionic fern
Idm having to interrupt,but mobs staring at you for 2 seconds and then starting to re-cast is annoying
lusty grotto
i play disrupting
south zealot
anyone running disruptive shout in any dungeon btw`?
i don’t, i value bloodsurge highly
lusty grotto
except in siege ig
soft aspen
you won’t time high key if you do one pack pull at a time
lusty grotto
i dont play it in arakara either
gritty eagle
alright
round pendant
you won’t time high key if you do one pack pull at a time
yes you will
lusty grotto
if 1 pull at a time is blizzard's intention
gritty eagle
for the highest keys, people will obv find ways to pull bigger, but it definately feels like you pull smaller in this season
lusty grotto
and people do not time keys
vale bolt
Disrupting is weird. It's not really a valuable aoe silence for the point it costs to take, but in some dungeons having it allows you to easier group a pull together. I used it to great effect in the 1st boss area of Everbloom with those caster packs. Allowed me to double them up very easily
lusty grotto
blizzard will nerf
violet ginkgo
anyone running disruptive shout in any dungeon btw`?
I do have disruptive by default, felt like this season dungeons' set got a lot of casters.
round pendant
Get a group who can pump damage and not die and you can do like +12s with single pulls
glacial skiff
Anyone know how you can quantify the damage reduction from Ceaseless swamguard in logs?
lusty grotto
they are dead set on 1 pack at a time
glacial skiff
Is there an aura applied to mobs or player?
vale bolt
Get a group who can pump damage and not die and you can do like +12s with single...
This is more viable with classes who don't have set cooldowns. Things like fury warrior, outlaw rogue, survival hunter etc. You'll struggle like this with 2 minute classes
lusty grotto
yeah
thats a good point
but still
the "you wont time high keys if you do one pack at a time" was a weird comment
because it insinuates we're advocating for it
strong forum
Hence why I chose to ignore it
lusty grotto
when what we're saying is that its blizzard's intention
strong forum
Y'all getting one guyed
lusty grotto
yeah ig
round pendant
all the dungeons feel super designed around single pulls tho
hate it personally
except maybe stonevault
vale bolt
Not that weird. A lot of players think that is true. When in reality it's not the 1 pack pulls, it's the 14 deaths that's depleting keys. But people don't press kicks or defensives so 🤷♂️
lusty grotto
yeah its pretty doggy
strong forum
Stone vault you can frequently triple pull
round pendant
yeah SV is the most fun dungeon for me so far lmao
strong forum
But outside of that, very pre-scripted linear single pulls
At best double pull
Cuz overloaded with things that kill dps/healers
lusty grotto
you cant equate "pulling 1 at a time in DF and before" with "pulling 1 at a time in TWW, because its what blizzard wants people to do"
gritty eagle
Not that weird. A lot of players think that is true. When in reality it's not th...
y, ive noticed that aswell, getting 15 random deaths is quite a lot of lost time
strong forum
Slow and steady wins the race
elfin garden
ara kara isnt too bad also
vale bolt
y, ive noticed that aswell, getting 15 random deaths is quite a lot of lost time
That would be the 10 seconds of extra death timers that came in with TWW
strong forum
All the way to mini-boss
soft aspen
do you pull all the way to mini in pugs?
round pendant
I did the hallway pull in SV in a +9 yesterday and this guy goes "That's the first time that's worked"
and I'm like
what
lusty grotto
lol nome
glacial skiff
man i wish i could quantify this trinket. Ceaseless seems good on paper, but the damage is mediocre. 626 vs 632 skarmorak
lusty grotto
i did that pull today
vale bolt
I don't. I have tried that in 2 pugs before and just found that people don't kick the like 2 caster spiders and I eventually lose threat
lusty grotto
and we insta wiped
strong forum
What if I tell you
lusty grotto
i got told off
strong forum
Yeah, just don't pull those
lusty grotto
yea
vale bolt
That's not the issue lol. It's a pug, random shit gets "accidentally" pulled all the time
soft aspen
By just running on the left
the miniboss though someone will aggro the spider
lusty grotto
i just do the dumb stop and agro everything at the bottom of stairs, on trinket farms
vale bolt
Every time I tank a pug I assume they have just come off a full course meal of crayons and I take things very slowly and deliberately
strong forum
Plenty of ways to solo cc that pull
lusty grotto
it kills me a little
strong forum
Mmmh grayons
round pendant
I could go for some crayons right now
zealous goblet
hey lads, i was wondering
lusty grotto
orchid gulch
Nah.
gritty eagle
not that much
strong forum
Only with mega pumper enha/havoc
vale bolt
I have only played brew in keys really apart from my healer and have noticed BIG issues with threat, but I think there is a threat bug on keg smash atm
gritty eagle
y, now that you mention it, had issues with one enh
orchid gulch
Just people who full blast everything while the pull timer on queen is still on 3.
strong forum
And I mean mega pumper
zealous goblet
well thats exactly it, my enhance shaman friend is a bit of a terrorist sometimes
south zealot
havocs burst sequence is like 20 seconds lol
zealous goblet
and it's got me thinking
vale bolt
Not noticed it on the baby keys I've done on my warrior yet
south zealot
otherwise it just takes too long to do their damage
gritty eagle
but generally its more the normal, rip everything 1st before stuff are even grouped
vale bolt
^
orchid gulch
Why wait? To the graveyard I go!
zealous goblet
it's got me wondering if i should go shout purely for threat, since it'd be available every pull roughly.
vale bolt
At the end of the day, dps can't keep it in their pants for 3 seconds long enough to let the tank group everything. But then somehow they don't factor dying to threat into their overall aspirations 🤷♂️
strong forum
Just for early threat when I don't have cds
gritty eagle
proactively?
strong forum
Yes
gritty eagle
might have to try that out, i usually dont
strong forum
Whenever I engage a pack and I don't have Ravager or spear I usually aoe taunt
lusty grotto
At the end of the day, dps can't keep it in their pants for 3 seconds long enoug...
they also lose massive dps, not only by dying but by blowing their load before the spread is complete
gritty eagle
good tip, will incorporate
orchid gulch
At some point if trash looks at a DPS they fall over.
lusty grotto
if you know what im sayin
molten gorge
Whenever I engage a pack and I don't have Ravager or spear I usually aoe taunt
If I don't my fury warrior cries
strong forum
His fault for playing fury
molten gorge
Cause he's popped everything
molten gorge
His fault for playing fury
Hahahha
vale bolt
they also lose massive dps, not only by dying but by blowing their load before t...
Yup exactly this. But dps aren't really known for their cranial size
zealous goblet
Yup exactly this. But dps aren't really known for their cranial size
i mean, neither are PROT warriors
vale bolt
Warriors* but yes
lusty grotto
hey can you pass the crayons already? whos hogging them
merry sluice
am wariror brian big. I even ea tthe smart food like blue color sticks
hehe
sword go clunk
lusty grotto
tru
orchid gulch
am wariror brian big. I even ea tthe smart food like blue color sticks
Red colour stick better!
vale bolt
I have 5 different warriors because I had to test hit animations for everything. I min max animations not racials. We are not the same
soft aspen
im gonna go stick some gluesticks up my nose
lusty grotto
have you min maxed dn
zealous goblet
i play with game sound on, i WILL listen to every shout on audio cooldown
merry sluice
Red colour stick better!
my color stick betterer than your color stick.
we fighting now
soft aspen
which race has best animations for prot btw
vale bolt
Sorry that's jsut perfect timing
lusty grotto
and with that, ladies, gentlemen, and persons, i retire to 
zealous goblet
my friends don't understand why i play with game sound on, but it genuinely throws me off my game when i mute it
merry sluice
which race has best animations for prot btw
literally anything that is not a gnome
vale bolt
Same. I just wish I could mute the IP Yeearrghhh spam lol
merry sluice
idc wtf you play so long as its not a gnome
soft aspen
it is pretty annoying ngl
vale bolt
I'm cooking up a Revenge build that uses minimal IP for lower keys with Colossus. It's driving me nuts man
south zealot
thats already a build
vale bolt
Is it? I know there is a raid build that runs colossus but couldn't find one for m+
round pendant
enhance shamans always seem to yoink aggro
vale bolt
This is what I came up with lol
round pendant
it's nuts
vale bolt
If they're still playing with the prim wave lightning bolt spread talents then yes they will. It does stupid amounts of damage in 2 GCDs lol
clear void
enhance shamans always seem to yoink aggro
must be windfury 
jagged gust
idc wtf you play so long as its not a gnome
jagged gust
ngl every day I regret not being a blue cow lady
strong forum
clear void
well it's not a gnome, it's mechagnome
round pendant
I'm stuck on horde
strong forum
This is your colossus m+ build
round pendant
all the horde races suck
merry sluice
personally
been rocking the man'ari skin since day one
demon girl warrior is a fucking vibe
its no nelf or dwarf racial
but lowkey kinda like the extra heal on wariror specifically too...
jagged gust
I'm quite sad even with Colon, Barbaric Training still ain't it
vale bolt
This is your colossus m+ build
Oh thanks! I'll use that one then. Is it high key viable? I'm only using it for lowbies atm
strong forum
Yes
I been using it in a few 10s, I don't bother pushing keys cuz I got better things to do when we're all still atleast 15ilvl below max lol
soft aspen
been rocking the man'ari skin since day one
what is that
strong forum
Red draenei
vale bolt
Oh interesting you don't take thunderlord? Does that nerf our survivability by much?
strong forum
strong forum
Oh interesting you don't take thunderlord? Does that nerf our survivability by m...
You barely press thunderclap
As its a massive dps loss
You only press TC as filler and to apply rend
Outside of that rotation is almost exclusively revenge/ss
Revenge hits over 4x as hard as Colossus as TC
vale bolt
That's true. I suppose that's just the trade-off of running that build you lose uptime on demo shout
strong forum
strong forum
Colossus is all about maximising colossal might and demolish
Thunderclap is anti-synergistic with that
vale bolt
Yea when I play I tend to not press TC a lot. I just never thought to drop thunderlord tbh
strong forum
And revenge just hits too fucking hard to press smth else in aoe
You also drop unstoppable force
If you didn't see
vale bolt
On that though, do you recommend holding your first demolish until you have 10 stacks? I have been sending basically a few GCD's in to my first pull
strong forum
3 stacks
edgy patrol
If I'm getting slapped around as prot does that mean I'm not keeping SB and IP up?
strong forum
Yep
If you are getting slapped around it means you're not generatic and cycling through enough rage
I barely drop any HP in keys even in 11/12
edgy patrol
Do you just full send CDs are prot?
vale bolt
To clarify, he means damage cd's* Don't overlap your defensives unless you know you can't live without stacking 2
junior patio
because I raid as fury I have so far put my embellishments to be the weapon one and the writhing banding. Eventually I will get the prot ones sorted when I get more sparks but how bad are these embellishments for Prot atm?
vale bolt
Nome, when playing colossus, should I be delaying demolish to line up with avatar if it's not quite up? Sometimes it's like 10 seconds or so out of sync
strong forum
I'm doing 11s and do 1-1.2mil overalls and I don't have any working embellishs for prot
You're fiiine
strong forum
Nome, when playing colossus, should I be delaying demolish to line up with avata...
If avatar is right around the corner, yes
That 20% oomph goes hard on demolish
My biggest single demolish use was like 19million
vale bolt
Yea ok I have been delaying but wasn't sure if it was better to just send to get more demolishes out over a key
strong forum
Really depends on how long
vale bolt
Wow that's sexy
violet ginkgo
19 mill 
vale bolt
I've been delaying if it's like 10 seconds or so. Anything more than that I just send and it usually lines up for next pull
strong forum
Keep in mind that after demolish you also do 20% extra dmg to the mobs
vale bolt
Yup, I've been delaying shield charge and ravager for after demolish
strong forum
Ravager you can send just before as the first hit of demolish already applies the dmg amp iirc
violet ginkgo
I think you ravager first before demo?
strong forum
Ye
vale bolt
What about Troar? I have it macro'd to my avatar button and just press it when either of them are up
violet ginkgo
After demo if roar
strong forum
Can send roar just before if you want to min-max your revenge spamming during demolish dmg amp
round cliff
which race has best animations for prot btw
orc
strong forum
On ST it's roar after demo, but for aoe you can roar before demolish
wicked pollen
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAMBU...
this is my kind of shit
round cliff
dwarf animations single handedly ruined by their sprinting animation i.e bounding stride
stick up their ass lookin ass run cycle
merry sluice
dwarves are also ruined by being dwarves
jagged gust
dwarf animations single handedly ruined by their sprinting animation i.e boundin...
I feel so heard, made one in remix and practically puked whenever I ran anywhere
strong forum
we ALL HAVE IT
Wrong
round cliff
I feel so heard, made one in remix and practically puked whenever I ran anywhere
im an animation snob
strong forum
Panda does an ass slam
round cliff
i have opinions on every animation of every melee class
round cliff
wtf i dont believe u
merry sluice
lmfao
strong forum
Look it up
round cliff
going to dressing room rn
edgy patrol
I'm coming from fury so all my shit is mas/haste. Am I going to get rocked without crit and vers?
round cliff
they totally have regular tclap animation
violet ginkgo
I'm coming from fury so all my shit is mas/haste. Am I going to get rocked witho...
@warm plinth
south zealot
panda animations are bis for earrior
south zealot
I'm coming from fury so all my shit is mas/haste. Am I going to get rocked witho...
no just stack haste
violet ginkgo
i dont have a way to easily swap
Create new trial char?
edgy patrol
this is acceptable for +9s?
round cliff
Create new trial char?
ugggggggggggggggggggggggh ok
jagged gust
this is acceptable for +9s?
you have haste, that's all that matters
zealous goblet
I'm doing 11s and do 1-1.2mil overalls and I don't have any working embellishs f...
wait is that for colossus or mountain thane
edgy patrol
I thought crit was the important stat
strong forum
wait is that for colossus or mountain thane
Both
neat parrot
i average about 900k
its about the pulls
strong forum
Depends on dungeon
neat parrot
and pulls
merry sluice
have you tried doing more dps
maybe eating a few more crayons before playing?
strong forum
And if you're fast or not
round cliff
yea pandas have regular tclap
zealous goblet
oh yeah for sure, i just mean i wonder how far off i am
round cliff
u lied to me
merry sluice
your dps will suffer without the requisite amount of wax
zealous goblet
but i suppose this also means i'm doing my rotation pretty dang well, so that's good
strong forum
Literally did not, whenever I played panda transformed with toy it does assclap
I'm not gaslighting
violet ginkgo
Video time nome
strong forum
Bro I ain't home rn
round cliff
ive got receipts on the way
merry sluice
maybe its a body type thing...
strong forum
Gotta be male
orchid gulch
Didn't they change that with the general TC animation rework?
strong forum
That's cringe
strong forum
That's not the animation I had
merry sluice
skill issue
orchid gulch
It used to be an ass clap, though.
merry sluice
you're telling me
not only did tww give us the lamest hero trees
but they also nerfed pandaren ass?
worst expac
round cliff
ok im going to dig thru every animation in dressing room and if i cant find it then u need to check ur house for gas leaks
orchid gulch
No pandass for you.
molten gorge
😩
strong forum
ok im going to dig thru every animation in dressing room and if i cant find it t...
What if I am the gas leak
wicked pollen
mr nome what would be the reason to play bloodsurge over show of force, more rage for ip?
orchid gulch
CO2 is a gas, so technically correct.
strong forum
More rage
round cliff
mr nome what would be the reason to play bloodsurge over show of force, more rag...
ok i found it
well i found a butt stomp
its the one used after ww monk dragon charge
orchid gulch
Can confirm.
round cliff
unrelated
i have no log but can anybody explain why in one of the first packs of nw it was going well then i suddenly just MELTED and my combat log said i just got melee'd to death
orchid gulch
Apparently pandass clap was a thing about 5+ years ago, at least.
orchid gulch
Probably necrotic bolt.
strong forum
i have no log but can anybody explain why in one of the first packs of nw it was...
Patchwork soldiers melee hard, the vanguard mob if it doesn't get killed ramps up in dmg done, blight bags leap around and behind you
round cliff
ah maybe it was ramp
cosmic canyon
how much "dmg" and "value" would you reckon "Violent Outbursts" have? Wouldn't pick it over booming voice yea?
strong forum
Violent outburst is class defining
cosmic canyon
or over enduring alacrity
wicked pollen
Just keep all 3?
he's another bsv enjoyer
strong forum
I know
cosmic canyon
strong forum
That's what I'm trying to tickle out
south zealot
drop ravager or shield charge
strong forum
That build is terrible
south zealot
take outburst immediately
strong forum
Drop bloodsurge and take violent outburst
cosmic canyon
I'm just posting an example without violent outburst right now
in order for what to drop
surge has 10% rage dungeon wide tho
10% rage equals dps as well
south zealot
drop disrupting shout then
cosmic canyon
Look, I'm not challanging that nomeratur
strong forum
It's a gigantic part of our dmg and rage gen
Like massively
Just sim it
If you're curious how much value it provides
It's absolutely mandatory
round cliff
disrupting shout kinda icky
you definitely dont need it
honestly forgot its a talent
cosmic canyon
disrupting shout is QoL in dungeons pugging
south zealot
if you want bsv, disrupting shout is pretty taxed
round cliff
but like. why would i want bsv
violet ginkgo
drop BSV for Violent Outburst for sure.
round cliff
just dont die lol
zealous goblet
REMINDER we are mitigation tanks, and BSV isn't really needed until mobs are actually one shotting you.
strong forum
BSV is literally overkill
cosmic canyon
REMINDER we are mitigation tanks, and BSV isn't really needed until mobs are act...
if they are oneshotting you it's worthless
wicked pollen
so why do you want it
strong forum
No it's not
wicked pollen
when nothing is hurting you
wheat rivet
is shield much better first crafted item compared to a weapon?
wicked pollen
yes
round cliff
the only time i die is when nobody kicks casts or when theres a ramping melee add apparently
strong forum
Defensively yes
round cliff
otherwise 0 dmg
strong forum
the only time i die is when nobody kicks casts or when theres a ramping melee ad...
90% of casts are not on the tank
So the dps will just die if they don't kick
🙂
round cliff
🤔
cosmic canyon
You're saying bsv triggers on the margin ? if I have 1kk health, takes a 1.1kk hit -> BSV will trigger "into that one shot dmg" at 30% hp, and save me?
strong forum
You're saying bsv triggers on the margin ? if I have 1kk health, takes a 1.1kk h...
It works like wotn
round cliff
unfort
zealous goblet
also BSV has the hidden downside of fucking griefing a wipe call when too many people die on a boss or some shit
strong forum
So yes it will mitigate the dmg that would put you below 30%
zealous goblet
it already is a chore to die
strong forum
Even if 1shot
cosmic canyon
So the dps will just die if they don't kick
which is why I have to save them with aoe silence every so often. important casts that can't go off
strong forum
But bsv is giga pointless
cosmic canyon
Even if 1shot
ty
strong forum
Cuz there are straight up 0 tank busters this season for pwar to worry about
round cliff
which is why I have to save them with aoe silence every so often. important cast...
not ur problem
wicked pollen
wtf
zealous goblet
yo pog
wicked pollen
sr is ctrl mb4
zealous goblet
wait, we';re related but not the same i meant to say spell block*
round cliff
ctrl mb4 is intim shout
zealous goblet
spell reflect is z for me
cosmic canyon
Anyway, Booming voice is > 5% dmg (overall dungeon run) + rage + the fact you activate it in aoe situations making it even larger part of dungeon dmg.
south zealot
they’re all physical reflectable or blockable
round cliff
spell reflect is z for me
z is mount lol
blissful sequoia
Guys how does prot warr feel while tanking in high m+ (+9 and above) compared to other tanks, is it even worth playing prot warr as a solo player because i guess it relies a lot on healers
wicked pollen
z is mount lol
but what about repair mount, flying mount and small dungeon mount
south zealot
Guys how does prot warr feel while tanking in high m+ (+9 and above) compared to...
youre immune to damage
round cliff
but what about repair mount, flying mount and small dungeon mount
litemount gives me flying mount in open world and taivan in dungeons
repair mount clicked on side bar
cosmic canyon
Guess I could drop Champion's Bulwark if I have no issues maintaining SB uptime
wicked pollen
wtf is litemount
south zealot
just bc warrior doesnt heal as their mitigation doesnt mean they dont heal/need constant attention from healer
round cliff
conditional mount macro addon
south zealot
leech and indomitable keep you full hp
blissful sequoia
So prot warrs are not too weak against magic dmg since they only have reflect spell ability?
south zealot
talent and enchants
wicked pollen
Guess I could drop Champion's Bulwark if I have no issues maintaining SB uptime
shield charge is worthless without that talent
zealous goblet
i have 0 leech
leeching strikes brother
south zealot
So prot warrs are not too weak against magic dmg since they only have reflect sp...
they have a lot of tools now
cosmic canyon
So prot warrs are not too weak against magic dmg since they only have reflect sp...
they have reflect shield, they have magic damage mitigation and they can specc into magic block
round cliff
where tf is ur shield charge
zealous goblet
actually, now that i think about it
blissful sequoia
Got it, thank you everyone for the replies, i guess im gonna try prot warr 🙂
cosmic canyon
<@127801281669496832> here
not gonna run that. sorry
zealous goblet
nome, what happened to the training wheels build you had for DF? you had mfers go BSV, bolster, the whole shebang
strong forum
That is that build linked above
wicked pollen
strong forum
That's the good bsv build to run if your goal is maximum tankiness
round cliff
maybe i should put on the training wheels.......
south zealot
if you want disrupting shout bite the bullet and lose bloodsurge
strong forum
^
zealous goblet
that being said bloodsurge is so tasty
violet ginkgo
wait soz wrong pic
south zealot
that being said bloodsurge is so tasty
which is why i don’t take disrupting shout ever
south zealot
i have talented it before but i end up just forgetting i have it
and use it as a taunt anyways
violet ginkgo
not gonna run that. sorry
Run this then, you can swap the bloodsurge for disrupting shout.
wicked pollen
disrupting is fixing mistakes that shouldnt happen
zealous goblet
what racial slur do you guys yell for maximum taunt duration
zealous goblet
friendly prot warrior advice
round cliff
what racial slur do you guys yell for maximum taunt duration
misshapen yakubian homunculus
zealous goblet
if you drop devastator, you get a rage free filler to fix your rage starvation, devastate.
graceful kite
aoe taunt is best used as an aoe taunt
you rarely need it tho
graceful kite
Actually I used it yesterday cuz I was very sick and was sure I pressed sw on gathering but turns out I pressed literally nothing and was just standing in 2 packs of mobs
release leap taunt was helpful
zealous goblet
they should make challenging shout 1 min long cd so taunt refractor lines up with something
because my trinket cd weakaura does not track the 1min cd on it rn
graceful kite
add it to your weakaura?
zealous goblet
i did
violet ginkgo
what key lvl gives hero track in vault?
starting from +3
up to +9.
yes it was quite long gap between +3 heroic vault to finally +10 myth vault.
graceful kite
new scaling is bad
I feel for people who can't do 10s and they don't have a good gear catchup now
wicked pollen
i cant time 10s because i get perma run down but the content isnt hard
zealous goblet
I feel for people who can't do 10s and they don't have a good gear catchup now
shoulda thought about that before starting early access 3 minutes late. they should just wait until next xpac
round cliff
I feel for people who can't do 10s and they don't have a good gear catchup now
im ilvl 609 and cant craft anything cuz fury is my main for raid
🙂 what do i do
zealous goblet
meme aside, if they justu p the delve map droprate a tinge that could be a viable gear catchup mechanic. delver's bounty gives hero track gear
graceful kite
wasn't myth track dropping from a 15 vault in dragonflight?
wicked pollen
🙂 what do i do
spam m+ for heroic gear
wicked pollen
+7
zealous goblet
heroic only comes from like 9s tho
no, 7s
lucid bough
can u get queen drops in the vault if you didnt kill her that week but you already did before?
wicked pollen
there is 0 chance you cant do 7s
round cliff
but idk routes so i dont like tanking without guildies
zealous goblet
7s for hero track, 9s for gilded crests, 10s for myth vault
graceful kite
can u get queen drops in the vault if you didnt kill her that week but you alrea...
yes
wicked pollen
but idk routes so i dont like tanking without guildies
legit press w
lucid bough
ty
violet ginkgo
wasn't myth track dropping from a 15 vault in dragonflight?
was from a +18 and if you translate on new one it's +8? hopefully I am not wrong.
wicked pollen
who the fuck cares
round cliff
me
graceful kite
your raid loot table is from every boss you killed this tier on a character
+tier set
graceful kite
I just find that many more people in my guild cant get myth track vaults
or maybe they just got worse at the game
violet ginkgo
I just find that many more people in my guild cant get myth track vaults
well a lot of ppl show concern that they raise the Myth track vault from +8 in DF to +10 in TWW, but what can we do?
gotta live with it.
wicked pollen
complain on forums
round cliff
then google routes
no i mean like i have routes
but ive never been good at remembering em mid run
or looking over at 2nd monitor
graceful kite
just check mdt before run yea
wicked pollen
all the routes are press w
graceful kite
dungeons now are hold w with occasional 1 pack on the side
wicked pollen
it does not matter anyways
round cliff
maybe ill just hold w and feel it out
instead of overcomplicating
gonna go kill zekvir 5 times to fill up delves vault rn tho
wicked pollen
realistically only way you get better at remembering routes is doing them
violet ginkgo
Yeah think of it like you want your arakara trinket and spam it until you get the loot.