protection

[odd delta]

Question. I only get +20 rage if I charge and shield charge. do i have to wait for the charge to finish then shield charge to get the total 60 rage?

[tribal wharf]

download some weekly route raider io, 3 pulls that say pull 2 of 3 mobs 1 pull and then 1 mob of 2 in another later on the same pull, first note is "twitch.tv/streamer"

ya no, fuck off lol

im gunna lose my mind if i have to go by those routes

[sweet summit]

you're honestly kinda real for that yogi

[graceful kite]

you don't have to do other people's pulls

I use mdt to basically see how to get to 100

and pull by feelycraft

[tribal wharf]

just takes a while to figure out where pulls go wrong then have to have presence of mind later on to get everything in 1 mdt 1 shot creating the routes, cuz after i make it i dont want to re-make it type of thing

[pallid quiver]

I wager you're running into the fact that shield charge can be used outside of melee range; it actually functions slightly differently when you do so, as well

[tribal wharf]

so theres a huge self knowledge check, can take up to an hour to make a route

[silent sphinx]

started actually looking at outbursts, managed to breach 600k DPS 🙂

(overall for the dungeon)

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, making sure to send outbursts on the right things does wonders for your DPS

So glad that you've managed to improve just on that alone

[graceful kite]

booo losers boo

[iron sphinx]

is there ever a time you go int othe fray over heavy repercussion

[twin hill]

perfect +10 ara kara run, then i get yeeted of the boss plattform for no reason. great design blizzard.

[violet ginkgo]

Yes once you get into season 2 or season 3 usually

[graceful kite]

yeeted with what

[violet ginkgo]

if we talking about M+

[twin hill]

i lept out of cosmic singularity and got yeeted into oblivion

and couldnt get back up fast enough ofc

[iron sphinx]

oke oke

[violet ginkgo]

no puddle nearby?

[twin hill]

to step in? or what do you mean?

i prefer to jump out tbh

[violet ginkgo]

safer if you get into puddle and rooted

[graceful kite]

i leap onto a bloodworker and spawn a puddle under myself

[twin hill]

damn thats smar

t

works every time?

[graceful kite]

saves all puddles for melees and not stealing ranged players spawns

yes

is spawns in like 0.3 sec?

bloodworkers have like 1 hp and die from leap damage

[arctic quartz]

question about colossus build

at what number of mobs is revenge more dmg than shield slam?

[violet ginkgo]

Errr.... not sure but you still have to press shield slam over revenge.

[arctic quartz]

wait why?

revenge does so much more dmg

[violet ginkgo]

Because shield slam generate rage and your Shield Block and Ignore Pain need rage, if you don't have those while tanking mobs, expect you will die soon.

[arctic quartz]

yeah but if im not dying i can just click revenge instead

need rage > shield slam
dont need rage > revenge?

[violet ginkgo]

yes you can but when shield slam reset you press shieldslam, no question asked.

[arctic quartz]

but why

im just overcapping rage for no reason and ignore pain is at 100

[strong forum]

More rage

[arctic quartz]

im spending half the dungeon shield slamming for no reason

[strong forum]

Means more cds

More outbursts, more avatars

Which means more dmg

[arctic quartz]

outbursts?

[molten gorge]

Press it again anyway

[strong forum]

Violent outburst

The talent

[molten gorge]

You want to spend rage

[arctic quartz]

i dunno man

200% thunderclap dmg after 50 shield slams intsead of revenge smack

[molten gorge]

Have you logged any dungeons

And seen what your damage looks like

Go try one where you do revenge and compare if you need convincing ig

[blazing condor]

you do you but just know that there's a right way to do it

especially when the theorycrafter tells you why lol

more rage = more rage spent = more damage

since you spam IP anyway

[violet ginkgo]

And like Nim always said 70 Rage or above just press IP.

[molten gorge]

IP is not on the GCD where revenge is, so it's a better rage spender anyway when you risk capping

[arctic quartz]

whats the point of all the revenge talents

if im enver supposed to press it

[molten gorge]

All what revenge talents?

And nobody said never

[violet ginkgo]

that's the tricky part with colossus, you have to know when to press revenge or not, but easy part is always shield slam

[jagged pier]

well increasing something that hits for 0 but a factor of anything is still 0

[brazen coral]

what are the trinkets you guys use

[jagged pier]

the only ones ive got

[violet ginkgo]

oh jakey is here, maybe he can give you some tips since I heard he played colossus.

[jagged pier]

they are bad

[sweet summit]

these

[jagged pier]

press buttons

it goes brrrr

[arctic quartz]

bro theres like 5 talents for it

[violet ginkgo]

he mean in the colossus talent tree.

[jagged pier]

u just have to look at SB more and not over spend on revenge

[molten gorge]

Oh in colossus

[jagged pier]

and colossus is fine

[molten gorge]

I thought you just meant in the prot tree, my bad

[jagged pier]

and if its off cd u press the big hammer button

[lofty warren]

is there anything you can press before key start that gets reset when key start like META for DH?

[jagged pier]

LS

[graceful kite]

potion

[sweet summit]

anything at 3 minutes or higher

so nothing of use from us

or is it 2 minutes

[jagged pier]

3 minutes

[graceful kite]

tempered potion always great unless arakara

[lofty warren]

uhh? so whats the answer

[sweet summit]

no

is the answer

[molten gorge]

I'm hoping colossus doesn't take over at any point, I can't see myself enjoying a channel on warrior

[jagged pier]

well like i said LS

[molten gorge]

Maybe I should try it out for the memes in some 9s

[jagged pier]

but that doesnt really do anything

[graceful kite]

classic slam gamer

[lofty warren]

rip

[sweet summit]

colossus feels kinda good

[molten gorge]

😂

[sweet summit]

the channel is hasted (?) so it's fine

[lofty warren]

image if you had to push rend

yucky

[jagged pier]

just play cata

[graceful kite]

In old times you had to push rend

[jagged pier]

dont need to image or imagine it

[graceful kite]

and you had to switch your stance to press it

[jagged pier]

i played through that time and thought it was cool u could spread rend instead of tab targeting

[molten gorge]

[jagged pier]

[graceful kite]

use potions prepull in m+ guys good shit im tellin you

[jagged pier]

yer im not made of gold thnks

[graceful kite]

I bought a 1000+ potion pre season start

for 40-50 gold rank 2s

[tropic gate]

do you guys run different talents for each dungeon in m+?

[jagged pier]

no

[graceful kite]

it helps on some pulls like nw first pull

[jagged pier]

because we cant our talents are basically set for m+

[lofty warren]

zzzz they need to add solo q for m+

[arctic quartz]

when to press revenge

[jagged pier]

when u ahve rage

[violet ginkgo]

oh yeah since Jakey is here too. Uh... any good timing to press spellblock on Kyveza? I mean the tank buster is unblockable but thankfully it nicely lined up with shield wall CD.

[jagged pier]

im not tanking this season in raid

u checked the sheet?

[violet ginkgo]

Yes

[jagged pier]

i would recommend the dot from the tank hit

[arctic quartz]

when to ip

[jagged pier]

reading the sheet

[arctic quartz]

what sheet

[jagged pier]

when u dont have it up and u have rage

[arctic quartz]

above shield slam?

[jagged pier]

never

and only if SS will overcap u

but one is off the gcd the other isnt

[violet ginkgo]

So basically after shield wall to tank the tankbuster, and shield wall expire then pop shieldblock? Alrighty then.

[jagged pier]

so u can press them at the same time in that case

[jagged pier]

well apprently the dot is blockable so i would just use spellblock as she hits u and use sw for tankbuster if needed

[twin hill]

that hint was a fucking gamechanger, thank you man

[graceful kite]

you're welcome

[arctic quartz]

is the violet outburst extra dmg more than revenge in aoe?

[jagged pier]

no

only effects TC and SS

and u basically always prio it on SS because of rage gen

[molten gorge]

Have seen a few moving around a couple of minor things, like some dungeons the CDR on Shockwave is more useful (apparently)

But I've not moved mine either atm

[jagged pier]

i mean that depends honestly, on pug or if you ahve a group

[molten gorge]

Aye true

[arctic quartz]

what does the rage gen actually do tho

[molten gorge]

All seems like minor little tweaks regardless

[arctic quartz]

ip and revenge?

[molten gorge]

Barring the high key stuff

[graceful kite]

ive got bullied once in taking aoe bers rage

[jagged pier]

if u have a group u probably wont over lap stuns and DR mobs and work around that cdr if you are pugging u might start dring mobs with it

[molten gorge]

I've seen some with that ya

[graceful kite]

I'm feeling bad when I'm taking it

[molten gorge]

I've not taken it yet for any runs

[jagged pier]

more everything more rage is cdr into avatar and SW ad u get more avatars thats even more rage as it gives u rage and more damage

[molten gorge]

Playing with Sham, he best be taking tremor or else

[jagged pier]

so its a never ending cycle of rage

[molten gorge]

I feel like you'd be better just reading the guide Nubsan, not even tryna bm you

[violet ginkgo]

keep raging

[graceful kite]

sad I missed faction change discounts and have to play undead for another expansion

[jagged pier]

just buy the new enchant stuff

[graceful kite]

nah

I dont hate the looks

I hate having 2 active but totally useless racials

[molten gorge]

I'm already so glad I made a Dwarf ngl, it feels busted the times when I use it

[graceful kite]

tier 1 mog on undead kinda slaps

[jagged pier]

only place i miss dwarf is SOB honestly

[molten gorge]

Ya 100%

That feels biggest

I don't hate it in GB either for 1st boss

[graceful kite]

a lot of places where dwarf is dwarfing other races

[quaint sinew]

do you guys macro shield block with shield slam or anything like that?

[graceful kite]

no

[molten gorge]

Real talk

[graceful kite]

Like city of thread first pull dot actually hurts

[arctic quartz]

mh i guess im just struggling with shield slam being more dmg in aoe but i guess ill just click it

[molten gorge]

It's not more damage in the moment

[graceful kite]

unreflected anima slashes would be nice to remove

[molten gorge]

But overall it is

[graceful kite]

Not sure if you can dwarf stonevault damage taken thing

[jagged pier]

no and kinda, SS should always ahve its own binding but if u want to macro SS after your SB or/and your IP u can as it will snipe resets, but again u still have the seperate bind of SS

[arctic quartz]

how much dmg do you guys do overall in dungeons?

[graceful kite]

700-900k now but im bad and my gear is bad

[jagged pier]

900-1.1mil is on details

[arctic quartz]

how bad gear?

[jagged pier]

probably around 800-900 on logs

613ish

[molten gorge]

Wcl is down so can't check

[arctic quartz]

ah i dont have logs only details

did 650k last dungeon and 550k this one at 588ilvl

[graceful kite]

its good

[molten gorge]

Try logging some and do both strats, see which does better

Nothing beats just proving something for yourself

[arctic quartz]

yeah ill try it later

[jagged pier]

the best u can do if record yourself play

and watch it back

youll notice a lot of fuck ups

[arctic quartz]

so avatar good basically

[jagged pier]

avatar good yes

[molten gorge]

Avatar very good yus

[dim jetty]

hi guys. I have a lot of issues on generating threat in +8 to +10 keys. If I pull more than 2 packs, i usually lose aggro. I do charge, clap, shockwave, shield slam and clap again on the first pack, and clap shield slam on the second.
Is there something I could do to lose aggro less?

[violet ginkgo]

Tell your dps to not insta burst maybe while you still pulling?

[arctic quartz]

and when do i thunder clap as colossus? when its glowing? or only to refresh rend

[jagged pier]

cant tell without logs really

[jagged pier]

on cd as much as possible

cause u still want the rage gen

[arctic quartz]

oh damn

bro no time left to revenge :C

[jagged pier]

there is time

just not much of it

[dim jetty]

my group is pretty silly. Is there nothing additionally I could do?

[graceful kite]

shockwave is a waste

if you're really struggling with aoe aggro you can do clap avatar clap because avatar resets clap cd

[jagged pier]

well we cant really tell what your doing without logs or video, so its hard to give advice

past general tell your dps not to dps

but u could be doing something wrong yourself

[molten gorge]

You have revenge too

[graceful kite]

if you have a blaster who outgears you you can intervene them on pull

[molten gorge]

Aoe taunt as well if no CDs up to send aoe damage

[jagged pier]

and thats advice to everyone btw please log or record because the amount of times where ppl arent actually doing what they say. is like alot of the time

i know logs are down atm but in general

you should do it if u want to improve

[graceful kite]

nvidia shadowplay

best thing ever to analyze your gameplay or save fun stuff

and kill your ssd faster

[jagged pier]

i mean obs into a differnt harddrive

but yer whatever floats your boat

[graceful kite]

doesnt obs save everything

shadowplay makes a temporary vid and only actually saves your last 1-5 minutes

[jagged pier]

it saves everything i tell it too

but u can stream to youtube and make it private so u never need to store anything

[jagged girder]

I was checking wowhead guide to see what to craft but I don't get it. If I understood correctly first craft should be shield before wep?

[molten gorge]

That's actually a good idea instead of twitch or recording

[jagged pier]

no that depends

[molten gorge]

Gonna steal that

[jagged pier]

will yu get a myth track shield easily?

if yes

then u craft lining on low armour pieces i.e back and bracers

if not

then u craft shield with lining

[sullen gust]

I have a question if anyone gets a minute. I like to check in on murlok io every now and again to see what talents are being run in top keys in an attempt to understand the class. Today I saw that the majority of people have stopped running with ravager which I don't really understand. I would think the rage gain and aoe damage would make taking the ability a staple in all set ups. Could anyone explain it to me? My assumption is that maybe thane makes enough rage that it isn't worth it to flood yourself with rage and the point shifts to a survivability talent of some kind like BSV? Would that logic be worth following for lower keys to avoid relying on ravager if you'll just remove it when you get higher?

[jagged pier]

trickle down effect

someone at the top did it regardless if its good or bad

and ppl just copy

because top guy did it

its bad to drop rav

they are dropping it for BSV

which u dont need

[jagged girder]

Ty Jakey, if I'm not into embellishments yet and want to craft shield + wep. Which one you'll put ansurek crest into?

[jagged pier]

shield is the most important piece for a warrior tank

[graceful kite]

will you do +9 keys?

[wicked pollen]

^^^^^

[graceful kite]

if not then shield

[jagged girder]

Ty man, will take your advice ❤️

[molten gorge]

More survivable ennit

The scaling this season is more than usual from what I understand

[jagged pier]

its not tho, the build we have for BSV is even more suvivability and damage

[graceful kite]

Their builds are less survivable in common man key level

[jagged pier]

than the one they are running

its just the filter down effect

and ppl copying which happens all the time

[molten gorge]

Haven't seen a BSV build here

[jagged pier]

its the worst thing about these websites

[molten gorge]

Can you link? Am curious

Want one for 12s next week to keep it cosier

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVRRFUgEVGSFBUBRNVUVEVBVFVZFUECVEEFVVUCQQ

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

this is the immortal wheelchair build

[molten gorge]

Tyty

[jagged pier]

it was in DF S4 only like a few % behind interms of damage

[strong forum]

can obv slam in HR for true 100% uptime

but if you want to play BSV

[jagged pier]

so dont ask me why ppl are dropping rav it makes no sense

[strong forum]

this is your build

and none of the other cringe shit people are running

[jagged pier]

they just copying the first guy

[strong forum]

you drop SC and CB

[molten gorge]

Shocked at Shield Charge being out in favour of ravager ngl

[strong forum]

cuz ravager is more dmg and rage

and shield charge without champions bulwark is trolling

so you get bolster

and bsv

[molten gorge]

I'm not at my PC to check the talents, does SC not give the block without bulwark?

[strong forum]

it does not

[molten gorge]

Ah then

I am not surprised

[jagged pier]

it is kinda garbo with capstones

[molten gorge]

Will give this a whirl next reset tyty

[strong forum]

i also recommend against playing BSV

cuz it solves problems that dont exist

[molten gorge]

Even at 12 you think?

[strong forum]

yes

[patent musk]

can someone pls give me an intervene list? so far i know ican 100% negate the damage of 1st boss necrotic wake.

[strong forum]

dont have an intervene list

[patent musk]

also a spell reflect list for the most potent reflects in terms fo damage

[wicked pollen]

[molten gorge]

Hmm, I'll give it a go without first then and see

[round pendant]

so weird

[violet ginkgo]

I 100% heard about spell reflect list which is on the pin post, but I never heard intervene list.

[strong forum]

we've been pushing keys all of dragonflight without BSV working at all and literally did 30s comfortably

this season tank dmg intake i feel is even lower than in DF

[round pendant]

there I was, struggling to complete +6s and 7s cause of morons and then I make my own group for a +9 and name it "chill completion" (just wanted vault slot) and got the best group I've EVER had and we just run 5 +9s b2b ezpz

[molten gorge]

The scaling is different tho no?

[strong forum]

and there are no specific "oh shit" mobs or bosses unlike in DF

[molten gorge]

And BSV was bugged in DF wasn't it?

[wicked pollen]

yes

[strong forum]

without bsv working

[molten gorge]

Oh I misread

[wicked pollen]

mr nome

[molten gorge]

Idk, I feel like there's a difference between being full myth track fully upgraded and pushing

vs playing on the limit of what is possible

Which is maybe where BSV could theoretically shine

[violet ginkgo]

then what is this all BSV hype all about? I mean while technically nothing to hype about BSV.

[molten gorge]

Tho I'd expect

[wicked pollen]

i was tanking a +10 nw yesterday and the threat problems i had were just not a problem when my dps kicked

[molten gorge]

Group dies before BSV really matters

[strong forum]

^^^

you literally do not take tank dmg

[molten gorge]

I do when I mess up 🤭

[strong forum]

cuz it works now

and people LOVE their "cheat" deaths

[wicked pollen]

bsv only has impact if you misplay no?

[strong forum]

and go FULL TURTLE

[strong forum]

correct

and by playing BSV

youre automatically weaker defensively

because you have to sacrifice very strong talent points to get it

so by default youre more likely to proc it

because you picked it

[violet ginkgo]

I mean just because it's working doesn't mean we have to use it right? XD

[strong forum]

🙂

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[strong forum]

everyone and their mom is trying to use it now

now that i cant say anymore "its bugged dont play it"

and because everyone and their mom is using it

more people use it

[molten gorge]

I mean tbf, it's early season right, time to try shit out ig

[strong forum]

cuz they copy whatever people play

sure nothing wrong with trying shit out

except our talent tree didnt change since DF beta

[wicked pollen]

i need people to copy my execute build 🙂

[strong forum]

sooooOooOO

whats there to try out

[molten gorge]

Hahah

[wicked pollen]

nothing

[strong forum]

talent builds have been solved for over 2 years

yet people try to come up and re-invent the wheel everytime prot gains somewhat of popularity

[violet ginkgo]

ok sure give it here.

[wicked pollen]

its legit just thane execute in m+

[wicked pollen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dT4PKGfBX7D8cpnq#fight=8&type=summary&source=6

[molten gorge]

I got back to PC, the BSV one I have seen has CB

[wicked pollen]

i think you just change iftk to hr

[jagged pier]

execute build in m+

[molten gorge]

it's just missing Bolster

[jagged pier]

[molten gorge]

this is what I've seen @strong forum

[jagged pier]

[wicked pollen]

i play what i want

[jagged pier]

stop

[strong forum]

yeah and its a really fucking stupid build

[jagged pier]

that is fucking cringe

[strong forum]

spear without both spear talents is a dmg loss

so why are you playing that

[molten gorge]

ofc it's a damage loss

[strong forum]

no storm bolt??

[molten gorge]

it's about survival no?

[jagged pier]

ill have less SW walls and generate less rage because of 1 talent node

[strong forum]

what does spear have to do with survival

[graceful kite]

i really dont get the double wall in those builds

[strong forum]

double wall is also mostly troll

[molten gorge]

Locks mobs in place

[strong forum]

okay and

[wicked pollen]

i swear im a good tank 🙂

[graceful kite]

why would you ever want to play double wall

[molten gorge]

disagree on double wall, it's obv less up time overall

but it's there when you need it

[strong forum]

its 25% less rage

[graceful kite]

is it like 20 sec timer m+ with 1 trash pack or something

[strong forum]

on shield slam

[molten gorge]

mmm true

[strong forum]

youre squishier by playing double wall

the only reason to play double wall is when you need it twice back to back in 20 seconds

or 4 times in 2 minutes

[molten gorge]

Ya

[strong forum]

outside of that its troll

[molten gorge]

so depends on the kind of pulls you're doing

[strong forum]

not rly

cuz you cant do big pulls

there is no pull thats being enabled by you playing double wall

[molten gorge]

idk the NW opener is kinda monka

[strong forum]

just do more damage

you get 3 avatars in that pull

[molten gorge]

as the old adage goes, dead dps is no dps

[strong forum]

getting an extra 8 seconds of SW wont save you

if shit isnt dying

[molten gorge]

Well this comes back to the discussion earlier about, how much dps is worth it

cause I agree, there's a limit

[wicked pollen]

how do i go here again

[molten gorge]

or a breakpoint or whatever

[violet ginkgo]

Also I don't think there is ever a situation where we need SW twice back to back in 20 seconds? At best if SW is not enough then usually Spellblock will handle it.

[strong forum]

^

[molten gorge]

but a 7% dps increase (from ITF) was deemed unworth earlier of the 4-5% less block uptime

[strong forum]

its not about % here

its about not having downtime

[violet ginkgo]

damage taken > see the melee then hover your mouse over "hit"

[strong forum]

if you cant guarantee that you can block all hits

youre prone to dying

100%

ITF is just a dps gain with the tradeoff of having block downtime

[molten gorge]

but you could make the same argument for wall no? would need to see a log of some of the 13s and stuff

like I'm not disagreeing

[wicked pollen]

@jagged pier is this better 🙂

[molten gorge]

in theory ofc it's grief, cause liek you said the other day, <60s avg wall

kinda nuts

plus the extra rage

[strong forum]

no cuz its not 100% block uptime vs 90% block uptime

its 25% rage gen and 40sec CD wall

vcs 2 charges on SW

during lust SW could be as low as 35sec

in that first NW pull with 300 mobs

[jagged pier]

thats wrong column budeh hover over hits

[strong forum]

you spam IP every single global

[violet ginkgo]

I mean hover over that 844 number

[strong forum]

like sure you can be completely fine with defenders aegis

but its just not optimal

same as all these whacky talent builds

you can get away with all of them

and find success

but they could be better

[wicked pollen]

oh no

[molten gorge]

a legit question, and zero offense intended, but what makes you right and them wrong?

surely there's a case of theory vs practice possible?

[patent musk]

Pins have 1 mistake. Says dawnbreaker tormenting beam isn't refrectable but it is and does damage. Idk what the validity of the list is since I can't dispute all

[strong forum]

im talking practice here

[molten gorge]

like there's no question, in theory, what you're saying is better

[strong forum]

im a man of practice

and my builds or takes are alot more thought out and calculated which are optimised around performance

[molten gorge]

again, no bm intended, but you're not doing 13s rn with the optimal talents

[wicked pollen]

true we cant refrect anything

[molten gorge]

so that isn't in practice

imo

[strong forum]

ah yes

[molten gorge]

it's not remotely a flame btw, I'm genuinely interested

like I've not stepped foot yet either, and I'll probably just try both but I wanna avoid bricking the first key right off the bat next week

so wanna try the "right" thing first

[strong forum]

my builds just use common sense and math

why do you think so many people are suddenly playing spear

[violet ginkgo]

Tbf I think if Nome wants to really grind and geared up to 13s he can but.. You know sometimes ppl just want to chill and slow down the pace, enjoy some life too.

[strong forum]

when spear was always god awful

[molten gorge]

ofcourse, it wasn't a diss

just saying that's the difference between theory and practice

[patent musk]

I play the 2% crit node instead

Am I borked

[wicked pollen]

yes

[graceful kite]

You are based

[molten gorge]

ya ofc, there's always gotta be the theory

[violet ginkgo]

borked 100%

[patent musk]

No spear, no ravager no roar

[strong forum]

right but like

just use some common sense

stay with me here

why play spear, when it was always awful, and now come up with "yeah but its survivability"

when that 6second root

on a 1.5min CD

does in fact not increase survivability

[molten gorge]

well I imagine that isn't the real reason

the real reason is

Armored to the teeth is more defensive than the crit one on the other side

so may as well take Spear

[jagged pier]

just a reminder his theory was shown in DF where he came in playing his builds in 10 ilvl less than the warriors running high keys with different builds and did more damage and took less damage in the keys

[molten gorge]

cause you're not getting Roar

[strong forum]

why arent you getting roar

[molten gorge]

not enough points to move

[strong forum]

and now youre saying "cuz they play endurance training"

[untold hornet]

What should I send my spark on? I already have the everforged defender at 619. Champion pieces I have are wrists, boots, ring, and neck. My shield has focusing lens, but recrafting with dawnthread eventually. Should I use two dawnthreads?

[strong forum]

and then im saying

"well you dont need endurance training"

"okay but i want 10% stam"

then im saying

"okay but then you can drop wild strikes"

cuz its "just damage"

right?

but then if you come with

[molten gorge]

2% haste

so not just damage

[strong forum]

oooh

but then you have people dropping 8% armor and 8% stamina and 2% on class tree?

[tribal wharf]

+500k hp wont save u from 15 m DB boss 1 beam tank buster

is what he is trying to say

[molten gorge]

Ofc

but it might be the difference on a big pack pull

with lots of smallies blasting you

[wicked pollen]

no way its the difference if you just play better

[untold hornet]

[molten gorge]

Sure, can't argue with that

[strong forum]

you can craft dawnthreads on shield, can use spark on weapon if you dont have one

[tribal wharf]

the problem is we can effectively reduce all attacks to that of unblocked world quest mob melees

at all times

if done right

[strong forum]

the problem is, these builds are all half-cooked

sacrificing dmg to gain dmg at another point

sacrificing survivability at one point

to gain it at another point

[molten gorge]

High keys aren't linear tho

[tribal wharf]

more hp is a very timmy mindset to tanking

[strong forum]

"i need my ITF"

[tribal wharf]

its what the pugs judge you by

[tawdry herald]

i like nom's build because i can walk into +7s with 570 ilvl

[strong forum]

they are in the sense that you play every pull the same

[molten gorge]

that's where I can see the 2x SW being useful f.e. just from a common sense stand point like you said

[tribal wharf]

there was a time in wrath that more hp = better tank

[molten gorge]

well no, first pull you have CDs up and lust etc

so you do big

[tribal wharf]

kick lower hp tank

[molten gorge]

then you're chilling a bit

ok CDs up, big

[tribal wharf]

happened in pug icc alot

[molten gorge]

etc

[strong forum]

not rly

pwar always has CDs up

[molten gorge]

your group doesn't tho lol

[untold hornet]

Can I put a dawnthread on a MH?

[molten gorge]

you play around the groups CDs

[strong forum]

no only armor

[untold hornet]

grrr

[strong forum]

okay so ... which key can you change route based on CDs

[wicked pollen]

none

[strong forum]

🙂

[wicked pollen]

you jsut keep going

the only cds that matter

are the tanks

[molten gorge]

I'm not doing it yet, I'm certain somebody will tho

I mean NW is one already no?

that first pull

[strong forum]

1 example in 1 key

[molten gorge]

you can go huge

[strong forum]

on the first pull

[wicked pollen]

you are thinking too much

[tribal wharf]

i think tank is least important part of any group

hes just a "dont die" guy

[strong forum]

youre overthinking way too much my guy

[molten gorge]

Just genuinely curious tbh

[strong forum]

yeah but

[molten gorge]

I'm new to the role ennit, so tryna inhale info

[strong forum]

you gave 1 example

[tawdry herald]

my job is to never take damage so my healer can spend all their time healing idiot dps and possibly dps themselves

[strong forum]

of 1 dungoen

of 1 pull

[molten gorge]

ya cause that's all I've seen so far

you think we'll be doing the same pulls we are rn, in 8 weeks?

[strong forum]

youre not gonna see much more

cuz the dungeons simply dont allow it

[tawdry herald]

yes

[strong forum]

the only dungeons where you can REMOTELY cook ANYTHING

is NW first area

and Siege

every other dungeon is HOLD FUCKING W

[tribal wharf]

i'm proper bulloxed out to fuck m8, do you got a quid or a cig?

[strong forum]

cuz you literally cant do anything different

until blizz changes things

[molten gorge]

pls don't doxx me 🥲

[tribal wharf]

is that u?

[molten gorge]

man lost his teaching job once already

[tribal wharf]

pic related

im jk butya

[molten gorge]

I am devvo

[strong forum]

since when is yogi roasting people

thats a new arc

[wicked pollen]

i changed it

[tribal wharf]

FOOKIN HELL dickhead

[molten gorge]

[strong forum]

you could move that 1 crit point into endurance training

[molten gorge]

hmm, I've seen some spice in Ara-Kara as well at the end

[strong forum]

but this makes WAY more sense

[toxic gyro]

You’ll see cooking in mdi/great push and then random pugs trying those pulls, wiping, and blaming it on shit teammates

[strong forum]

^^^^

this

[molten gorge]

Ofcourse

[strong forum]

and you aint seeing a pwar there

youll see vdh

[molten gorge]

I mean that's what I'm talking about tho

the title push stuff

like that funky build

isn't for your weekly vault obviously

it's for title

[wicked pollen]

no one is going to play warrior in any mdi

[strong forum]

no its just bad

[molten gorge]

it might well be

[strong forum]

from my pov thats a bad build

for anything

[wicked pollen]

unless its turbo turbo turbo tubro utrbo broken

[toxic gyro]

You want title, do yourself a solid and make your own team, play meta classes. Unless you’re really good and play a lot as off meta class it will be way harder. Still doable.

[strong forum]

i been doing r1 pwar keys in DF s3, without cheat death, sense has earned pwar m+ title every season, without cooked builds, without dumbass "i need to only stack vers" cringe, also coach one of the best tanks in wow history on pwar

and like i said before these builds you can find are illogical

they sacrifice 1 thing to gain that same thing at a different end

be it survivability or dmg

hell ive seen a top end log of someone playing without indomitable, but then pick up BSV

so you sacrifice 6% max health and massive self healing... to get a pseudo cheat

mightve been just a lmao for fun key

cuz it was also colossus

[molten gorge]

[strong forum]

but man that build was cursed af

[hollow bolt]

i just dropped the rage on demo shout for cheat, have i fucked up

[strong forum]

yes

[hollow bolt]

aw ;c

[strong forum]

you just lost a ton of rage gen

[violet ginkgo]

may I add "which that pseudo cheat never proc for the whole dungeon."

[molten gorge]

Ya fair, wasn't tryna be a dick, legit just tryna figure it all out and has been some helpful chat in here at times

[tribal wharf]

the true most cringe and cursed talents of all for pwar has to be dance of death/other one for ravager

[strong forum]

ya its hard to explain without going a bit at it

[tribal wharf]

WHY

why would you ever use those ever

[strong forum]

cuz i can list 5hrs of reasons why

[tribal wharf]

never used them once since SL, never once in df, not yet in tww

[robust jackal]

hey guys, I am about to start learning prot warr, are there any buffs you suggest to track?

[strong forum]

shield block, demo shout on target, spell reflect, sw, last stand

ignore pain you kinda only care about how big it is

not the duration itself

also how many stacks of burst of power, thunderblast, colossal might

[merry trout]

hi guys, first time maining prot here. for shield block, do you guys have wa or addon to track it or you just know the cd as muscle memory?

[hollow bolt]

oh gotcha there dropping ravager for cheat

[strong forum]

generic buff tracker

[hollow bolt]

hu

[strong forum]

no

[tribal wharf]

shield/spell block and IP both active = you take fuck all for dmg

[strong forum]

thats also ton of rage and dmg

this is what you play when you want to pick up BSV

[main walrus]

guys i just got this and upgraded it because i saw it's number 1 in the FAQ, do you just use it on CD on any target that is in front of you ? or you save it as a DK deathgrip ?

[strong forum]

any other choice is gimping your dmg or rage gen

[tribal wharf]

...

[molten gorge]

don't hate me, but could you not do this:
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAVVRRFUgEVKSURBRNVUVEVBRFVZVQUCVEEFVVUCQQ

[tribal wharf]

im not sure about this one

[hollow bolt]

ty! im just rippin it from raider.io woops

[molten gorge]

if the keeping spear is the pepega thing I mean

[strong forum]

ravager is 5% dmg and a big burst of rage gen

[tribal wharf]

oh well, considering source, okay

i wont argue it

[hollow bolt]

gotcha, i wonder why they droppin it, comp thingy?

[strong forum]

cuz they arent well thought out builds

they just dont like ravager

[robust jackal]

why is knowing how big ignore pain important?

[strong forum]

and dont think about rage gen

[molten gorge]

I feel like not having shield charge with block would scare me too much

[raven knoll]

may someone pls help me with the wowhead guide. im at the section of what to craft first. and im getting confused with the embelishment stuff. i have a freshly lvl 80 char. and can craft one item to 619. since i have this campaign shit done where i get the stuff for it. so do i just craft the shield and put an embelishment onto it? pls any help ❤️

[strong forum]

to know if you need to reapply it before a big tankbuster

[main walrus]

no need to press ignore pain if it's still big

[strong forum]

sure

[strong forum]

you could for threat, but its less dmg than just playing all spear talents

[molten gorge]

[tribal wharf]

UF 7% loss

lol indeed

[mental scarab]

Healers job to keep us alive

[strong forum]

wait, yall need healing?

[molten gorge]

Cruel Strikes btw, like the 1 point

[strong forum]

[molten gorge]

when I simmed it, was SO minor

[strong forum]

it is

[molten gorge]

like I know 5% stam is "irrelevant"

[strong forum]

you can just slam it into endurance training

[molten gorge]

but

Ya

[strong forum]

that one is a completely sane choice

[raven knoll]

sure on what exactly? i craft the shield? and what embelishment onto it? and are these embelishments just giving some stat for example nothing else?

[strong forum]

ya

dusk/dawn threadlining whichever you prefer

or lense for ST dmg

what i put in the guide is correct

😄

[toxic pewter]

just how much damage is that lense for st

maybe like 1 or 2 % perhaps?

[strong forum]

like 10k dps per embellish

[toxic pewter]

hmm

[molten gorge]

got timed out for a bad word oops, but ya okay, I am not completely stupid then, god bless

[strong forum]

aka turbo fucking minor

[toxic pewter]

not much ya

[hollow bolt]

Thank you for the help nomeratur! preciate it

[pallid quiver]

listen, spiders on brood hurt once they've been alive for about seven hours longer than they should

[hollow bolt]

i swapped my build to the one u sent!

[strong forum]

you should have an incredibly easy time living keys with that

[raven knoll]

yeah its just hard for me to understand since i have no clue what normal crafted items are and the ones with embelishment omen things. like i dont gett the differnce

[strong forum]

literally auto pilot build

[wheat rivet]

is shield really that much better than a weapon for a 1st craft? I am playing around +10 keys

[hollow bolt]

yeah! im not as skilled as u guys! so having the cheet is really nice

thank you

it procs a lot in my 9s and 10s lol

wasnt sure how 2 get to it

[strong forum]

embellishments are items with special effects, some items have them pre-installed and cant be changed, and some you just slap onto crafted gear

you can have up to 2 embellishments equipped

[patent musk]

Someone pls do a sheet for intervene and I will kiss u

For trash too

[strong forum]

any physical attack can be intervened

and in the case of NW first boss, for some reason thats a physical attack

youre welcome!

[hollow bolt]

i just throw it on whoever hits the giddy the hardest on pull and whoevers gettin targeted by a dot

[molten gorge]

I've got to be annoying again, why Revenge talent over the 6% spell reduction on this?

[strong forum]

oh

thats just a misshap

doesnt rly matter

[raven knoll]

copy thanks. ill just craft the shield and putt one of these embelishmens ono it.

[molten gorge]

caught him lacking, saving this

[strong forum]

ofc

[molten gorge]

ok tyty, thought it was maybe some rage gen thing haha

[strong forum]

im just a human aswell and can be wrong

[molten gorge]

🤝

in 33 years i've not been wrong yet, so I can't relate

but fair play

[strong forum]

just when it comes to pwar i tend to know a tad bit more than some

[molten gorge]

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/iikYhM7.png

https://i.imgur.com/xHn2ALr.png

actually closer than i thought

with my current gear

but its also 5min 5t

https://i.imgur.com/PGh3Ice.png

5t 1.5min

[hollow bolt]

i have a stupid question, how is the damage reduction on block calculated? is it just your shield and a multiplier? im trying to look it up but im not 100% sure where 2 find it on the guide or in general.

[raven knoll]

@strong forum sir another quick question. the shield and maybe weapon im crafting: do i follow the normal statt prio haste/crit to put onto that? cause i see most high rio warriors go haste/versa. does versa just get better in highkey? like more defensive?

[twilit burrow]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/dannyprime
not sure what to use my first gilded crest on. I assume once i get into mythic raid, getting to Sikran to farm the sword wont be too long.
same with Rasha'nan for wrists.

[robust urchin]

You boutta catch these hands

[strong forum]

its just some false narrative people are following that vers somehow contributes to tankiness in ways that matter

slam onto it what you want, aslong as you have haste you gucci

crit is more dmg, vers is just a tiny bit of flat dmg reduction

[violet ginkgo]

oh if you get into mythic raid and can farm it then get shield easy from first boss, in that case then Either Cloak or Wrist.

[odd delta]

is there any difference between R1-3 in invis pots?

[strong forum]

duration

r1 is 12 seconds

r3 is 18 seconds

[odd delta]

ah gotcha

[raven knoll]

@strong forum gott it thanks ttopg. honored

[toxic gyro]

They’re still living in last season of bfa ^^

[hollow bolt]

ok after some googling and futsing around my carracter stat page i think i get how it works

[tribal wharf]

hint, 18 seconds of invis is an absolute eternity when skipping mobs

easily skip an entire room or most of a section

[patent musk]

i want to skip so much shit in stonevault and just farm the area where the duo boss is

free trash

but the trash with the elemental boss and the last boss is ripkey

[rugged mural]

If you start with the Wowhead M+ build, what are you dropping for Disrupting Shout. It just feels too good to give up in PuGs

[patent musk]

also how much haste do i need to where i can keep shield block up all the time with the into the fray talent?

[sweet summit]

bloodsurge

[molten gorge]

🥊

[sweet summit]

something like 35-40% without itf is what i've seen float around

[patent musk]

how much haste in terms of raw value then

cause 35-40% means nothing when gearing

[sweet summit]

what

[patent musk]

a ring gives 3k haste, it doesnt give 3% haste

raw value is 3000, so what is the raw value of haste that we need

[tawdry sonnet]

never played a tank before im trying out Prot for the first time. been watching videos is Taunt and challenging shout not used?

[sweet summit]

idk how much rating 1% is

[round pendant]

raw value is irrelevant

it's 35-40% prob 40%

afaik you're not getting it without s2 gear

[violet ginkgo]

don't worry too much about it ancine, you probably replace HR with ITF maybe around late S2 or Early S3.

[patent musk]

cause i see some top prot warriors having into the fray, and by some i mean a good chunk, was thinking maybe they do have 100% uptime

[inland raft]

No they are taking the risk of getting clapped because they need more damage

[round pendant]

ITF was prob during haste affix week (last week)

it could fill the gap a bit

but you can prob run ITF

you'll just have to think about your shieldblock

[inland raft]

The recommendation of hr is its the safe play. You can run itf you just either need to kite sometimes or run the risk of getting gibbed by bad rng during small downtimes

[round pendant]

it's pretty unlikely you'll just GET CLAPPED if you play properly even without 100% sb uptime

[sweet summit]

you don't use them that often, threat thankfully isn't really a mechanic anymore. you generate enough through damage

[tawdry sonnet]

ty

[round pendant]

eh, taunt and aoe taunt are still very useful

[sweet summit]

there are some individuals that are a bit trigger happy on cooldowns

[tawdry sonnet]

anyone have tips on button layout? there are alot of different cool abilities to use it almost overwhelming lol

[inland raft]

Whatever works for you thats too subjective to give good advice on other then keep core rotationals easily accessible obviously

[round pendant]

How new to wow are you?

if you're new I recommend just taking Bellular's keybindings

[tawdry sonnet]

ive never tanked

[inland raft]

When i play a new class the first few days is just playing and changing binds around as get a feel for it until feels comfortable

[tawdry sonnet]

relativley new i would say i played back in vanilla.. came back for the last season of dragonflight

[round pendant]

Since you need like, 2.8 bars worth of buttons for prot warrior it's good to make sure you're using ergonomic keybinds

[tawdry sonnet]

i played a super easy clas last season wanted to try somthing new so went with fury but id like to try tanking

[round pendant]

I'm hardstuck with my really bad system so I get hand cramps after playing for too long

[tawdry sonnet]

i mostly cast on my mouse with the 12 buttons it has then i key bind Q E and R

[sweet summit]

that is wild to me btw

how do people do that

[tribal wharf]

do i have to worry about the crystal shard in SV?

[sweet summit]

mouse is for movement keyboard for abilities

[tribal wharf]

i thought thats a do nothing

[round pendant]

dps can handle it

but yes it's important to do it right

[tribal wharf]

oh, its listed as a mob on mdt

[red otter]

so if I can maintain shield block without the talent that increases its timer with every shield slam should I spec into the haste talent its connected with instead?

[tribal wharf]

so i thought 1 is prespawned and i should pull it?

if u open SV mdt u will see what i mena

[sweet summit]

you can, sure

it's more damage so if you still feel fine and don't die then that's great

[red otter]

thx

[tribal wharf]

how do you know if a monster is going to recast or not same spell immediately if you use a stun to stop it

or is it jus arcane knowledge and the only way to know is to know

[sweet summit]

just assume they recast if not kicked

[tribal wharf]

why dont spriest hit silence?????????????

[jagged pier]

On my threat plates it shows actually no idea where that came from but its nice

[tribal wharf]

i figure that would be like, non dps button #1 youd want to press

like all the damn time

flat out silence is insanely overpowerd

[jagged pier]

Alot of mobs just recast now tho

[sweet summit]

A LOT of players just ignore kicks for some reason!!!

[jagged pier]

This is the way

[violet ginkgo]

yeah the stonebolt cast from mob at stonevault basically crazy recast, interupted but not even 3 secs got casted again

[sweet summit]

like

[tribal wharf]

i dunno, part why im pissed off with wow is alot of keying seems to be arcane knowledge

[sweet summit]

too many casts are random target and not just tank so they're just killing themselves by not kicking

istg

[tribal wharf]

i really think there needs to be a glossary in game by blizzard at this point for ccs with 1 example each

i feel like that would go so hard

[mighty valley]

what would it say

[tribal wharf]

to explain the differnce between fear and horrify, and stun and incap

its too much arcane knowledge gap

i love game but ya, this is how i feel

not for classic, sod,

[sweet summit]

what's the lore on this arcane knowledge

[tribal wharf]

its like webcoding or create a computer chip, or work on a truck

you just HAVE to know how

or it goes to shit and your twiddling your thumbs within seconds or breaking shit

[urban bane]

Hah I doubt the reason your keys are going poorly has to do with knowledge of the difference between a stun and an incap.

[errant widget]

Deciding between tier shoulders and haste/vers gloves, or crit/vers shoulders and tier gloves. I was leaning toward tier shoulders due to extra haste on gloves, but tier gloves are simming 850 dps higher (due to higher crit overall). I assume 700 haste is so minimal that I should just listen to the sim?

[tawdry sonnet]

is rend used?

[blazing condor]

you spec into Blood and Thunder which makes it so that your thunder claps apply rend

it's used in tahat sense

but u dont put it on ur bars

[tawdry sonnet]

ok thats what i thought but didnt know if i need it on bars still for anything

[violet ginkgo]

I mean... there is no talent, it's just baked into base TC right now.

[strong forum]

That talent is gone TC does it baseline now

[blazing condor]

o

[violet ginkgo]

Dog be "what year is this?"

[blazing condor]

yeah maybe i shouldnt be giving advice when i dont play the game

but the result is the same

[violet ginkgo]

woot, but why you not playing anymore

[blazing condor]

boredge

also brokege

[violet ginkgo]

understandable

[tribal wharf]

all i want is a giant evil skeleton on fire boss and hes going around with a big sword and going reeeee

hes not speaking or nothing

hes just going ape shit, who knows, probably a wizard, or void magic

[novel shuttle]

Been tanking some for the first time this season. Thanks for the guides. It's very helpful

[bronze wraith]

Is there a way to keep violent outburst casts in stone vaults from killing all the melee ?

[strong forum]

yeah

have your healer heal and your DPS use defensives!

[violet ginkgo]

isn't violent outburst our talent? I never heard it was enemy

[bronze wraith]

The large horned dudes have a cast that is a channeled called violent outburst

[tribal wharf]

they also have shield stampede in SV
I wanted it before i learned it has a 3 second wind up or so

[bronze wraith]

The medium ones have piercing wail.

So there is nothing we can do as a tank about this ?

[onyx moon]

For those us Skiran's Endless Arsenel which CD are you binding it too?

[wide charm]

What do you guys think is the best talent to drop for Disrupting Shout

[toxic pewter]

prob bloodsurge

[thick dock]

What stats for crafted shield? Haste/Vers?

[violet ginkgo]

maybe prefer haste/crit

[bronze wraith]

Do you have 4 piece and are you having and survivability issues ?

[jagged pier]

brah 4 piece does nothing for survivability

3% DR aint saving no one

[strong forum]

its only 2pc that gives the DR even

xd

[jagged pier]

[bronze wraith]

If you aren't having survivability issues and have 4 piece, I would go crit over vers.

Crit procs 4 piece on shield slam. Crit and vers are really close though so it probably doesn't matter much

And crit gives parry too.

[thick dock]

Yes, I have 4 piece. And no, no survivability issues.

[river shard]

I keep being told that you can no longer spell reflect erudax tentacles, but I can't find documentation about it anywhere... Is this true?

[glacial pebble]

Is depths solidly better than radiant for prot?

Wowhead doesn't have an explanation. Figured primary stat would be helpful

[strong forum]

depths more dmg

[glacial pebble]

Zug zug, works for me.

[bronze wraith]

I would go crit personally

[tawdry herald]

do you guys think it would be worth putting ascendance on a 1H and writhing on shield?

or is 2x duskthread just the way to go

[potent tree]

Unless it got changed today or something. U should still be able to do it

[potent tree]

If u do lots of m+, I would go duskthreads

[glacial pebble]

Anyone notice weapon upgrades make a big difference for damage/threat?

605 ilvl with 580 weapon (last blue/explorer).

Had a couple runs where a very geared fury warrior was able to pull threat off me if I didn't save ravager for him

[fathom robin]

I understand a 100% uptime on SB is the goal, is the goal 100% IP uptime as well?

[neon elk]

fury is a bursty spec and it always worked like that @glacial pebble

[tawdry herald]

tyvm.

[neon elk]

wep dmg is most valuable upgrade dps wise

[tulip remnant]

Fury rips agro on tanks that are same I lvl if the tank isn’t paying attention.

[jagged pier]

not really something u track but IP should be up alot as its your main rage spender pretty much

[fathom robin]

Sounds good. I am sure its situational on the pull anyway. But i feel its a logical goal to have it up as much as possible baring rage expenditure on other higher priority spenders.

[proud dock]

at 10+ keys, do we as tanks pop combat pots on CD (assuming constant big pulls) or save for bosses only?

[silent sphinx]

i mean if you can keep up with the expense go for it?

[tribal wharf]

this pull without fail, i dont always die, but i take massive dmg

wtf

i just take boat loads of dmg for about 8 seconds and then im fine

[quaint sinew]

whats better to prio crit or vers?

for embelishments mainly

[tribal wharf]

so, fracture just stacks to hell? i just reset the stacks with leap?

this is my un-informed way i would assume to deal with it

[valid bridge]

anyone got a link to a pugfriendly necrotic wake route? quazii's is outdated and way outta whack

[fathom robin]

How does everyone deal with Smash Rock debuff in Stonevault? just CD management? or is there a key to dealing with it optimally?

[cosmic canyon]

Question about uptime on "eledar's blessing" vs duskthread. which one you reckon is the best one for +m content? What's the uptime in details after a run on eledars blessing?

[dire kiln]

hello, how do you guys manage the Mists's guardians?

[jagged pier]

sr

spell block

sw

not at the same time

[cosmic canyon]

Jakey, you able to help me out as well?

[dire kiln]

thank you

[cosmic canyon]

The versatility procc from "eledar's blessing" embellishment

[jagged pier]

nah thats bad

[cosmic canyon]

is it 20% of the time or 80% of the time or 50%

ah ok

cheers

[jagged pier]

just use linings

[cosmic canyon]

ty

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

reminder to read the wowhead guide

[tribal wharf]

https://wago.io/04YHZsxIO

is this still valid

im awful at that mini game, i need the carry for that mechanic/boss

i can do it, but its dialupsfx.wav

[cosmic canyon]

I was actually on the wowhead page prior to asking

even went to the embellishment guide faq

here in discord

[fathom robin]

Any thoughts on this? The debuff applies to anyone within 60 yards and causes the Granite Erruption to do 10% more dmg per stack, debuff lasts 30 sec.

maybe its just a DPS problem

mob needs to die faster, etc,

but the granite eruption basically can one shot many ppl in the group after a couple stacks

[lusty grotto]

theres no dealing with it

you heal it, thats it

[merry sluice]

Considering the pug healers I get

That’s a BIG ask

I’ve just accepted I’m going to be soloing it at some point

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

🤷

[fathom robin]

I found a tooltip that says granite erruption hits people within 8 yards...so our ret and monk just needs to back away for a moment after 2+ stacks looks like

[raw parcel]

This season are we leaning more into crit purely because of the set bonus?

[lusty grotto]

8 yards meaning the swirlies

because if they are getting hit by the swirlies

thats on them

[fathom robin]

yeah, ive seen them die even when not getting hit by swirlies...i think anyway

[lusty grotto]

no, we've always leaned into crit after haste

[fathom robin]

so it 8 yards from swirlies?

[lusty grotto]

except for BFA S4 with Versatile corruption

[raw parcel]

I must be on crack, I thought it was haste/vers before this season.

[lusty grotto]

the yards is literally the swirly

nothing else

[fathom robin]

okay

makes sense

[lusty grotto]

that's all its saying

[jagged pier]

no set has nothing to do with it crits just a good stat

[fathom robin]

okay, i didnt have logs on last run, so i will just have to see whos dieing from what next run

[raw parcel]

Alright, I better put down the crack pipe and start stacking more crit then. 😄

[lofty veldt]

gamers i think ive been doing something stupid

[raw parcel]

Crit being better than Vers, what's the rationale for Duskthread Lining (the vers one) being ranked above Dawnthread (the crit one) as an embellishment? Not being combative, genuinely wondering.

[lofty veldt]

ive been using slam as a filler gcd

have i committed a cardinal sin

[fathom robin]

oof

haha

oh well, time to change

[raw parcel]

Well you should probably stop doing that. Just rip the keybind out. We don't use it.

[lofty veldt]

ripped it IMMEDIATELY

[raw parcel]

Honestly not sure why they even give us a trap option.

[cyan sorrel]

Hey guys sorry if this is a common and recurring question but do we run Mountain thane across all key difficulties? checking other resources as well but i cant seem to get a clear answer, any support would be greatly appreciated ❤️

[lusty grotto]

its not ranked above, you use whichever sims best, im using 1 dawn and 1 dusk because thats the highest sims out of both

both linings are "ranked" the same

theres not one over the other

highest sim out of both for me

its different depending on everyone's stat allocations and current gearing

[violet ginkgo]

Hello again Nim you miss some entertaiment earlier

[raw parcel]

Thank you for your answer, Nim. I shall have to stop being a lazy lump and sim myself.

[violet ginkgo]

For Eclip... well you can run it across all key, I mean Thane is solid for M+

[cyan sorrel]

Thanks Valk 🙂

I haven't tried MT in keys yet so might as well

[violet ginkgo]

Well Thane is primary choice in M+ if that is matter but if you want to play Colossus then just play it, might be tighter on rage management but you can always throw question here, I heard Jakey play Colossus a lot surely he can guide you through it.

[cyan sorrel]

I just enjoy sending demolish on 10 stacks xD

[lusty grotto]

you can play it, but it'll be rough to pull off if youre pushing

depending on exp, gear, etc

and of course key level

its fine for vault keys though

[jagged pier]

Its about a 50/50 split for prot atm

Tbh

[dusty temple]

Hey all, trying prot instead of fury now and have a noob question: how do I point boss abilities away from the group? Is there a trick with taunt or do I just have it face my direction? Tried it with Forgemaster and it seemed like he put his pizza slice down in a different direction anyway.

[raw parcel]

I think (though I'm not an expert on GB) the big nasty pizza slices need to be baited by dps towards somewhere harmless. Though again, not 100%.

[lusty grotto]

yup

there's no trick, that's another role's job

[blazing condor]

depends on the boss ability

som bosses fixate on the tank

either following the tank or locking in at the tanks position

others are random