champions spear seems really bad? is it just there for damage alone?
#protection
red otter
restive oak
get hasted out first
chilly brook
You could just get more shield block uptime by not running it rn and just pull bigger
lusty grotto
there is NO shame in running HR
chilly brook
Wanna do more dam? Do bigger pulls
lusty grotto
do not run HR if you cant handle it
restive oak
true
lusty grotto
HR is not a pity talent
red otter
(what is hr)
chilly brook
Heavy Repercussions
lusty grotto
heavy repercussions yea
chilly brook
Talent
lusty grotto
i personally run HR
red otter
oh that one
restive oak
more worried about group than me, lol
chilly brook
I wish I recorded that 9 Stonevault last night
I was pulling like a mad man
But the resto Druid was an absolute chad
red otter
whats more rage? heavy repercussions or the haste talent
chilly brook
Woulda two chested but one wipe killed that 😦 went the whole dungeon until the last pack without a wipe
restive oak
haste
lusty grotto
haste
chilly brook
I mean that depends
chilly brook
But more rage in a vacuum doesn’t mean better
lusty grotto
yes
haste affects it
thats what we're getting at
read the tooltip
shrug i dont have it on my bear
lusty grotto
i woudlnt run that trinket in 10s anyway
chilly brook
I’m pugging 10s and running the DPS build as a brewmaster
restive oak
isn't the arsenal thing a tank trinket?
chilly brook
I’m not the limiting factor
lusty grotto
isn't the arsenal thing a tank trinket?
sikrans? no
restive kettle
so, grim batol last boss, can you spell reflect and eat the tentacles? (heard its possible)
restive oak
it has some defensive stuff on it too lol
lusty grotto
its minimal
restive oak
wasn't sure
lusty grotto
its a dps trinket
restive oak
i running that and a skolamax shard til i can get a nice sac
queen hemlock
are shields or weapon more important on a prot warrior?
chilly brook
That trinket especially isn’t going to make a meaningful difference in your ability to live
chilly brook
are shields or weapon more important on a prot warrior?
Shield
lusty grotto
are shields or weapon more important on a prot warrior?
shield
restive oak
you are already tanky enough though
queen hemlock
oh fuck oke nice thanks
raven knoll
why does the standart m+ build for mountain thane have no intimidating shout in it? isnt it mandatory anymore?
queen hemlock
oh btws, whats the best talent point to swap for disrupting shout?
ive specced out of the bleed for rage thing before and realise wow that shit generates a fuck ton of rage dont think i wanna drop it
raven knoll
rumbling earth for it
got i thanks sir
raw parcel
It is taking all of my patience to resist crafting some good shit with my 636 crests. Gotta wait til vault, it's the right choice. :x
merry sluice
well talenting disrupting shout is expensive
that's why its generally recommended against
raw parcel
What even can you drop for it? Prot feels amazing right now, but the spec talents are not at all flexible.
pseudo bane
Is there still a spreadsheet going on for Spell reflect abilites for TWW?
lusty grotto
pseudo bane
oh i'm blind, I was literaaly in there thank you
raw parcel
That guide is so helpful. Anima slash can be reflected! 😄
I love it. Not something I would intuitively assume is.. reflecty.
cinder marsh
can someone link me the specific talents for prot war for the magetower
im looking at wowhead and icy and i just cant find the talents for it
lusty grotto
go with whatever does the most dps
thane execute or colossus execute
since MT is majorly a prio target fight
honestly talents shouldn't really matter
make sure you eat current food
cause the food isnt scaled iirc
so you can just outdamage and its piss easy
or so ive heard
thats what i said
cyan drum
Whats the difference between ilvl parse and actual parse ? which one is more important
lusty grotto
actual compares with everybody
ilvl compares with same ilvl
ilvl parse percent = you ranked X% amongst players of the same class with the same ilvl as you
actual = you ranked x% amongst all of your same class that logged
class/spec
queen hemlock
that's why its generally recommended against
ah oke, not gonna lie i have some teammates who are not kicking almost at all, thus wanted to spec into it
cinder bridge
does anyone recognize the shield block/IP weak aura to the right? it doesn't show up in my weak aura list at all (gone through every single one, and it doesn't show up when I do /wa and turn everything on)
it's not part of the default UI is it?
lusty grotto
have you used the search
cinder bridge
ya
and literally gone through every single aura (loaded and unloaded)
it shows up in combat but I can't actually manipulate them in combat
tender reef
I wish I recorded that 9 Stonevault last night
u got a log
chilly brook
u got a log
tender reef
does anyone recognize the shield block/IP weak aura to the right? it doesn't sho...
yeah its KODA
lusty grotto
there you go
cinder bridge
I don't have anything called koda
cinder bridge
post your WA list
how do I do that in an efficient way
cinder bridge
that would take a long time, I have maaaaaaaaaany WAs x)
lusty grotto
ideally anything warrior related
cinder bridge
I fouuuuuuuuuuuuund it
violet flume
is it bad if i feel my 580 warrior is as tanky as my 605 brewmaster
cinder bridge
it WAS koda but I don't know if the addon bugged or something, because now I can search for it and it is in the list
violet flume
maybe its just the fact protwar is proactive with ignore pain vs brewmaster i have to react more to high damage idk
cinder bridge
where it wasn't previously
inner wren
is it bad if i feel my 580 warrior is as tanky as my 605 brewmaster
Sounds like you’re not used to stagger
wide charm
Does anyone know where that little % threat option is in the default wow ui?
That 2008%
Apparently, many people I know do not see this ever
wide charm
no, even with all add-ons disabled and in fury spec I still see it
I use to use it in DF whenever I played my alt warlock
it's immensely helpful as a dps to see when you are about to rip threat and it feels like dps never know until they are getting punched in the face
so I asked a few people I knew and like 2 had it and 4 didn't
violet flume
Sounds like you’re not used to stagger
could be, just feels like im sometimes runnijng in overwhelming damage where i run out of purifying brew and have no charges of expel harm obs, maybe i am too trigger happy wiht purify
warm plinth
no, even with all add-ons disabled and in fury spec I still see it
Look in either combat or interface for threat; it's probably a checkbox. It might also be in edit mode but I kinda doubt it
wide charm
yeah I checked both of those spots and nothing seemed obviously related
searching in options for aggro or threat doesn't yield many options
vivid orchid
i actually hate brann so much now
timber night
so dwarf is technical bis for prot warrior? 😄
I'm thinking about making one and idc about race aesthetic so I'm wondering what is most optimal
mighty valley
yeah the stat differences are miniscule so bleed removal is one of the few things that matter
velvet jolt
I'm thinking about making one and idc about race aesthetic so I'm wondering what...
Kul Tiran if alliance. No other race looks as good in plate
south zealot
yes go dwarf
velvet jolt
But little dwarf is probably best race
odd delta
is prot S tier for M+ atm?
south zealot
depending on what you consider s tier
inner wren
What’s an s tier
vivid orchid
absolutely wild the ground spikes kill him repeatedly
merry sluice
lmfao
foggy lynx
is beladars bulwark worth crafting?
vivid orchid
nah
foggy lynx
im assume proc rate not that high
vivid orchid
the other embellishments are just better
foggy lynx
does it count as an emblishment?
vivid orchid
yea
sick sentinel
Is revenge ever hit in high keys?
lofty warren
fck no
south zealot
galaxy 2 is omega s tier
shit list
mario maker 1 is better than mario maker 2 if ur good at the game as well
they neutered hard tech
'hard'
merry sluice
mario odyssey in d is diabolical
considering smash bros mario is cooked
nah get this shit outta here
lets go back to the true warrior tier list
ranking the best flavour of crayons
blue. its blue
mighty valley
odyssey in the same tier as Super Mario Run is genuine trolling
mario 64 in C tier? go to war crimes tribunal immediately
mighty valley
Is revenge ever hit in high keys?
revenge is hit in every key
zealous goblet
Is revenge ever hit in high keys?
revenge is always last button you press. you use it when you have no tclap or shield slam to fish for shield slam resets
but there is definitely considerable usage of it regardless
valid bridge
Should I use my mark of the spelunker supreme to get tier pants now, or wait til vault on tuesday....
hmmmm
Knowing my luck whatever piece i pick will be sitting in vault
inner wren
Just wait at this point tbh
violet ginkgo
i actually hate brann so much now
did you have him as damage or healer?
tepid reef
Hi folks, was looking for a bit for an easier necrotic wake route and found this.
I don't understand how to get up the southern stairs like this?
I've mostly just been yoloing keys in +2-4 range so far and suceeding, but wake is kicking my ass
zealous goblet
i've been wondering, is there a good solution to spell reflect on freecasting mobs?
or is it pretty much just 1/5 chance they choose you?
ancient scaffold
Hi folks, was looking for a bit for an easier necrotic wake route and found this...
Just below pull 3, you can hug the southern most wall and sneak on the stairs without pulling the gatekeeper. Well known skip, should be able to follow where the rest of your party runs
tepid reef
Okay thank you, (I also tank, so i would be leading XD)
last lintel
okay here's a serious question. The last boss in Ara'kara I leap out last second but sometimes it pulls me back mid-air. Is there a trick to it?
zealous goblet
okay here's a serious question. The last boss in Ara'kara I leap out last second...
you go into the blood
it roots you which you can either avatar out of afterwards if you're lazy, shockwave, or interrupt the mob in your feet
violet ginkgo
I think he want to try cheese it without using the puddle
zealous goblet
well i recommend it unless your group is struggling, because it is very survivable but the debuff puts a damage penalty on you, not just a damage taken penalty
-75% done
+75% taken
if you have to soak it, put a shield wall up
valid bridge
We get 8 total catalyst charges for the season right?
copper gale
I NEED opinions; upgrade 619 crafted shield to 636, or use new spark and craft belt 636 to upgrade my generic 606 piece
lucid nimbus
chilly brook
We get 8 total catalyst charges for the season right?
you can have 8 at any given time (the cap) but you can gain more than 8 over the course of the season
zealous goblet
how close is bloodborne to being a taken talent? i feel like so many of warrior's talents are so good
azure dagger
so i get that mountain thane is best because of aoe and rage gen but, is colossus a dps increase at all for pure single target fights?
just thinking about easy content like normal bosses
mighty valley
yeah it's higher dps in some situations
and if it's a normal boss why not have fun
urban portal
how close is bloodborne to being a taken talent? i feel like so many of warrior...
Kind low
ancient scaffold
Probably from bountiful delves
valid bridge
ahhh
winter shard
hey guys, starting to push into 10s now, I'm at 17% crit, should I use a crit flask instead of vers?
dark plover
hell yeah liquid wins
Head start
zealous goblet
wait something flew over my head the other night
why is it recommended you take bolster if you drop shield charge for BSV? surely HR is enough?
or was that in reference to someone saying ITF while taking BSV because you're already playing risky or something?
hard vessel
How much unbuffed % haste do we Need to use ITF?
jagged pier
35-40
pallid quiver
You need at least 3 of the 4 block talents on the tree to ensure 100% block uptime. If you're taking BSV at all, it should be in M+ because of how raids work in their damage profiles. That means you need 100% block uptime while actively tanking, since otherwise, you're actively attempting to die when block falls off.
If you're grabbing BSV, the least impactful thing to lose is the capstone for Shield Charge that gives SB uptime when used. So you're down to just HR and Enduring Defenses. As a result, you need to grab Bolster to make sure you hit the 100% uptime breakpoint
pallid quiver
why is it recommended you take bolster if you drop shield charge for BSV? surely...
So no, HR is not enough on its own; you'd eventually have gaps
torn ermine
How are you guys surviving the duo Guardian packs in the maze mists? Even with cooldowns they end up wrecking me at +9/10. Their dot and slash are seemingly unavoidable? Feels like I’m missing something.
graceful kite
Delves
zealous goblet
So no, HR is not enough on its own; you'd eventually have gaps
i'm just shocked to hear bolster is enough because of how long last stand is
even with talent it's still 2 mins, no?
graceful kite
hell yeah liquid wins
Woke up decided to look at 1 pull while still in bed at it was the kill
Good times
pallid quiver
even with talent it's still 2 mins, no?
The SB duration is notable because Bolster actually goes past the usual SB duration cap. So if you're at 24 seconds, and you use Bolster,
You lose zero time of SB uptime since you'll shoot up past the cap since Bolster is handled separately
molten gorge
I'm truly fascinated by how often I'm reading people dying to anything in a 9 or 10
torn ermine
And then it's also spell blockable
Thanks. Will try that next time
I’m truly fascinated by how often I’m reading snarky messages from people who have nothing better to say.
molten gorge
35-40
This surely isn't accurate? I tried running ITF, did some 11s with more blocked hits than I had with the other and it felt comfy. I think I'm at like 18k haste unbuffed rn
lusty grotto
its accurate
molten gorge
Dorki even is running ITF in 13s
opal sierra
okay here's a serious question. The last boss in Ara'kara I leap out last second...
Around 0.5 seconds on the cast the boss will bounce you up a little if you leap after that you make it every time
molten gorge
Did he die? 🤷♂️
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
youre moving goalposts
jagged pier
u will loose block tho
lusty grotto
we're not recommending to people doing 12s
this channel doesnt exist solely for whoever pushes high
molten gorge
we're not recommending to people doing 12s
Even more reason to run ITF
Lower keys it matters less to block 100%
molten gorge
Says literally Nome? As he's running ITF also cause "things don't hurt"
In 10s and below
jagged pier
i mean getting 100% is almost impossible due to gather packs and what not
molten gorge
i mean getting 100% is almost impossible due to gather packs and what not
So
What you're saying is
lusty grotto
im not entirely sure why this is such a big deal
we're not placing you under arrest for your talent picks
jagged pier
show log
molten gorge
im not entirely sure why this is such a big deal
The same reason any of the theory crafting matters? Like what
jagged pier
i mean argue with nome and mwahi then
then us
and if its from last week dont link it because u got free haste last week
which made itf viable
lusty grotto
The same reason any of the theory crafting matters? Like what
are we theorycrafting?
moving goalposts again
molten gorge
Yes?
lusty grotto
ok so wheres the math?
jagged pier
no we are giving the recommened information out to ppl like we are supposed too
zealous goblet
moving goalposts again
i was a goalee in all sports because asthma made it impossible for me to participate meaningfully
molten gorge
ok so wheres the math?
"35-40%" - Jakey 2024
I said: this surely isn't correct?
Panic ensued
jagged pier
molten gorge
I'm showing results when I get out of bed
jagged pier
but he keeps yapping
molten gorge
im still waiting for the log personally
Have to log pc to find
vale bolt
What's the go with Colossus? I actually don't mind pressing it as prot surprisingly
jagged pier
then why start without proof
molten gorge
Fucking hell, you two simps LOVE yapping
jagged pier
u can just do true me bro
molten gorge
then why start without proof
I asked a question
jagged pier
no u said surely not
molten gorge
And you lads immediately got your knickers in a twist
jagged pier
then spoke about dorki
molten gorge
no u said surely not
Yes
jagged pier
then said well ive done it
molten gorge
Surely not?
jagged pier
u go surely not, heres my log
lusty grotto
hmm
jagged pier
well i did give u log with HR which was 7% more blocked hits than dorkis ITF logs
then u said u did that without HR
and havnt provide anything
except trust me bro i have a log
zealous goblet
its 4am i came to shitpost but i see nows not a great time
vale bolt
Class discords and having a complete meltdown, name a more iconic duo lmao
molten gorge
Found it
lusty grotto
dawnbreaker huh
zealous goblet
Class discords and having a complete meltdown, name a more iconic duo lmao
being a millionaire and grooming children
lusty grotto
so the dungeon where
molten gorge
got to get up, get to PC (in my mansion), then turn it on
lusty grotto
you dont chain pull in?
cause you have to fly everywhere?
meaning SB freely resets
lusty grotto
absolutely
vale bolt
being a millionaire and grooming children
Content creator precisely yep lmao
lusty grotto
congratulations
molten gorge
thanks
lusty grotto
turns out context is important
molten gorge
feel free to roast my log btw
jagged pier
Yer in dawnbreaker where all the mobs cast
molten gorge
I am new to prot so
molten gorge
Mists was a bad time
jagged pier
Because your running itf
lusty grotto
🙂
molten gorge
I haven't logged a good mists yet
the one corrupted
like none of the Mists logs are a 10
jagged pier
Look at ara
lusty grotto
well i guess we'll run ITF in dawnbreaker, youve provided proof enough
molten gorge
you're looking at
jagged pier
Where mobs cast mpre than melee
jagged pier
U can run itf when u like
molten gorge
those were last week iirc
jagged pier
U are
lusty grotto
lmao even worse
molten gorge
they're old tho
lusty grotto
free haste, remember?
molten gorge
like check my Shield Wall casts in that Ara it's probably atrocious
jagged pier
No they arent they are from the same log
jagged pier
molten gorge
Ya I mean we wiped, cause I fucked up
yayaya I see
As I said before, I'm new to prot warr and to tank
jagged pier
Wiping has nothing to do with blocked hitd eh?
molten gorge
well it does
cause if you don't press block
you die
if mobs hit you in the back
you die
lusty grotto
lets recap by saying, you can run ITF if you like, but its not something we will recommend, that doesnt mean your pick is illegal in real life
molten gorge
and I do do that
molten gorge
sure, but it'll be lower is my point
I have good and bad dungeons, still learning
my point at the beginning was (and still is) that you can run ITF at lower and not die in what are relatively high keys rn
which i think Nome has even said in here himself
several times
jagged pier
But that wasnt the original question so why was that your orginial point
lusty grotto
we will not recurringly recommend it here
vale bolt
Can someone link me a colossus build for M+ that I can play around with?
jagged pier
All ypur logs have shown if the info we have litteeally said
lusty grotto
and that's still true
molten gorge
no?
jagged pier
Thata true
lusty grotto
youre new, we had breakpoints in here
molten gorge
you don't NEED
jagged pier
Because its a general reccomendation
lusty grotto
and people would ask about them
jagged pier
We dont go off what top ppl are doing
molten gorge
I didn't say you did?
jagged pier
Or what the bottom ppl are doing
Its a teccomendation for the majority
And that recommendation is 35-40%
molten gorge
the question he asked wasn't "when can I swap to hit 100% uptime" tho
so I was like
lusty grotto
when people ask that question, they have asked it before
molten gorge
huh, seems high to say 35-40
lusty grotto
youre not getting it
jagged pier
In dawnbreaker
molten gorge
your response was about 100% uptime
jagged pier
In every other dungeon no
molten gorge
which is perfectly fair
jagged pier
Doesnt matter about uptime
molten gorge
I just didnt' read it that way
jagged pier
It matter about when tbe talent is better run in general over itf
molten gorge
Doesnt matter about uptime
? a minute ago that's all that matters
jagged pier
Which is still 35-40%
molten gorge
It matter about when tbe talent is better run in general over itf
but it's better because of uptime
pallid quiver
damn i wish i wasn't typing on my other screen
molten gorge
if uptime didn't matter, you'd always take ITF
pallid quiver
i wanted to screen cap the 354%
molten gorge
lusty grotto
not quite
because ITF is infinately better at a certain percent
and that's the answer
it just happens that its directly tied to SB hastened cd
jagged pier
Basically yer
lusty grotto
at a certain percent and beyond
zealous goblet
i feel like a more fruitful use of your time is to just run colossus if you're aching for big damage and stuff rather than trying to run itf subobtimally since they both thrive in similar environments, which is "keys low enough" or "content familiar enough" or whatever
rather than this bickering
molten gorge
like just reading the tooltips, you can tell that
molten gorge
damage you'd take ITF
zealous goblet
also itf might still be lower damage because of how much shield slam damage you'd lose
tl;dr run colossus with HR for best of both worlds maybe
molten gorge
link the sims as well
sim what sorry, the difference between ITF and HR for myself?
lusty grotto
sub 35% ITF vs sub 35% HR yes
molten gorge
Ya I'm below 35
pallid quiver
i feel like a more fruitful use of your time is to just run colossus if you're a...
You can manage to run ITF in higher keys without too much issue if you can get around the "I'm failing to mitigate anything as the spec that is literally based the most around mitigating damage", as well; it provides a notable DPS increase in AOE just due to cycling more rage overall. The biggest issue is that in higher keys, your SB uptime will suffer against bosses, who can run the risk of absolutely clapping you if you don't mitigate
molten gorge
sec
jagged pier
Its different for every char at one point last expansion someone was simming higher eith immoveable object
green bronze
i just had an extra hulking bloodguard in ara kara when went left, why did he appear all of a sudden?
i don't think it happened to me before
molten gorge
how do I make it have players nearby on the sim? or does it do that automatically?
zealous goblet
You can manage to run ITF in higher keys without too much issue if you can get a...
makes sense, i was just shooting my shot here because despite my inexperience this talking is making me sad and i think we can do better
lusty grotto
the sims assumes 5 stacks
pallid quiver
generally the above requires the healer to babysit you, which is often less than preferred when the DPS are often struggling to not get absolutely pulverized in higher keys
molten gorge
the sims assumes 5 stacks
hmm a little ambitious of it, but fair
green bronze
i just had an extra hulking bloodguard in ara kara when went left, why did he ap...
ah, i think its just that one of the sentries' cast went through
zealous goblet
generally the above requires the healer to babysit you, which is often less than...
wholesome tyrannical stonevault would like to know your location!
lusty grotto
based on all of this info
molten gorge
that's HR is less btw
zealous goblet
i watch my teammates blow up
and i am powerless
for all i can do is smol scream every 3 minutes
molten gorge
140k less dps for HR over ITF
zealous goblet
;-;
lusty grotto
link the sim
jagged pier
In what context
molten gorge
(5 boss 3mins)
lusty grotto
5 boss 1 min
lusty grotto
5 boss 1.5 min
molten gorge
re-running
jagged pier
I mean really u should just sim st but itf will win there
lusty grotto
also tick off lust
zealous goblet
5 boss 1.5 min
just out of curiosity are you shooting this suggestion because of it not being tyrannical pre-10 this week or? because my boss fights on 10s rn are a lil gnarly and not 1.5 mins
or is it the norm?
lusty grotto
its the norm
lusty grotto
link the sim
vale bolt
Yea bosses are lasting like 3 minutes from what I've seen on 10s-11s
green bronze
is there a case when HR wins over ITF? i mean HR doesnt really give damage outside of giving a few rage
molten gorge
and uptime
sweet summit
hr is always worse offensively
molten gorge
hr is always worse offensively
literally
graceful kite
is there a case when HR wins over ITF? i mean HR doesnt really give damage outsi...
haste also does damage by giving rage
molten gorge
idk what this conversation is
lusty grotto
ok so lets recap again
green bronze
haste also does damage by giving rage
yes, thats exactly what im saying, there is no config on which HR wins over ITF damage wise
zealous goblet
is there a case when HR wins over ITF? i mean HR doesnt really give damage outsi...
shield block uptime is damage because of shield slam, but i'm arguing semantics here. that being said, i imagine your healer/dps will be able to play with more mistakes or something if you play a bit more chunky or somethin
which might just be more dps than what itf provides
sweet summit
which might just be more dps than what itf provides
it's not tho
zealous goblet
it's not tho
might*, i'm not dying on this hill. i was just providing my immediate thought
green bronze
it all depends on your comp and how good players in your party are
lusty grotto
130k~ dps difference which is not huge in favor of ITF at fully buffed which includes skyfury, but not lusted sim, at a cost of lower SB uptime and overall surv
130k gained in a perfect scenario
you will not have 5 stacks all the time in keys so it'll go down
molten gorge
I take items that are a 5k upgrade
molten gorge
you will not have 5 stacks all the time in keys so it'll go down
but I'll also have it sometimes with lust
and usually when it matters
big burst
lusty grotto
will you always have skyfury
molten gorge
Sim isn't perfect, you've got to look at reality as well
and reality is, a lot of people are running ITF on keys (incl Nome who wrote the guide)
lusty grotto
if the dps gained isnt huge
lusty grotto
does the 130k outweight the cost?
molten gorge
yes
molten gorge
what % of my damage is that, like 5% ?
molten gorge
because, i for once dont think it's worth
homie, you're running 1% crit over 5% stam
how much is that dps wise
ig you get 1% parry too
sweet summit
nop
molten gorge
make it make sense
sweet summit
parry comes from rating not %
sweet summit
but stam is also highkey worthless
molten gorge
and we can decide if that's worth
molten gorge
but stam is also highkey worthless
depends on the keys you're running ig
I see people using 2/2 Endurance also
sweet summit
as a tank you're never getting one-shot
molten gorge
sure
but it feels comfier with a more soaking health pool
idk, I'll be running 2/2 in 12s next week for sure
lusty grotto
"feels"
sweet summit
feelycrafting :/
toxic gyro
yes
Horribly wrong, every time you die bc of lack of sb you either deplete in higher keys or cause a wipe aka lose way more than your 130k that is not even accurate in a lot of situations. Also Everytime you don’t even die but take extra dmg bc of it your healer doesn’t dps, so your 130 isn’t worth it.
molten gorge
Horribly wrong, every time you die bc of lack of sb you either deplete in higher...
just don't die
🤷♂️
lusty grotto
you know how you dont die
molten gorge
and the guys in higher keys are literally running ITF
lusty grotto
keeping SB up with proper talents
zealous goblet
and the guys in higher keys are literally running ITF
ngl a lot of builds i see in higher keys are sus as fuck. not all of them, but a lot of them
lusty grotto
if your fall back is gonna be "guys in higher keys" all the time
molten gorge
who's moving the goal posts now?
lusty grotto
there was never a goalpost to begin with
molten gorge
if your fall back is gonna be "guys in higher keys" all the time
I'm not
the guy said
lusty grotto
this is a fluid conversation
zealous goblet
i saw one guy who took ravager out back and executed it
zealous goblet
this is a fluid conversation
nice liquid reference!!!!!!!!!!
lusty grotto
bandi has ran keys way higher than you will possibly run just to be clear
molten gorge
it's for the average man
and as i said
even Nome is running ITF in <10s
because
they don't hurt enough
and he's said many times, that he's running ITF for that exact reason
in this discord
lusty grotto
nome is not the people asking for advice
jagged pier
But he doesnt recommend, he sayd u can run it because they dont do any damage for him. Thats different than you average joe doing a 4
lusty grotto
youve mentioned him how many times, how could you possibly not see this?
zealous goblet
with keys costing 1:15 per party wipe, i feel like you should really be arguing the safer option ngl
molten gorge
you do not NEED
zealous goblet
the brick rate has been turned to 11
lusty grotto
you dont need to tank keys as prot
ask Funky
hell
you dont need to equip a shield to tank keys as prot
ask funky
jagged pier
You dont need a shield to tank
zealous goblet
who is funky
lusty grotto
so whats your point?
jagged pier
But we recommend u have 1
zealous goblet
im out of the loop
jagged pier
so whats your point?
He did 2handed prot in df s4
sweet summit
@cerulean tusk
molten gorge
except you do need a shield, you would die
jagged pier
No
toxic gyro
just don't die
Bruh 😂 you sound like one of those people that cba even with facts and data thrown at his face, so I’m gonna stop here.
jagged pier
Funky didnt
lusty grotto
yeah thats why im mentioning him
molten gorge
Bruh 😂 you sound like one of those people that cba even with facts and data thr...
there's data provided
go check rio 🤷♂️
such a weird cult this disc
jagged pier
Ok here one of our top ios playong the game
molten gorge
home boys have read a wowhead guide and parrot it
jagged pier
Fuck gif inst loading hangon
molten gorge
and then say shit like "you hate facts"
lusty grotto
home boys have read a wowhead guide and parrot it
yeah that's how we've managed since legion
and we've dealt with contrarians like you
molten gorge
Fuck gif inst loading hangon
EpicEmbedFail.gif or something
lusty grotto
SO MANY TIMES
molten gorge
I'm not being a contrarian lol
I'm not saying anything controversial at all
I even said earlier, that i obv misunderstood what Jakey meant
lusty grotto
you keep going with this, the topic is over
inner wren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313519221751676928/1284229821202829413/ezgif-1-9dff0752fb.gif
molten gorge
if the answer was because you need 35-40% for 100% uptime to be safe, then obv, I agree
but I didn't read it that way
since the question was need
lusty grotto
home boys have read a wowhead guide and parrot it
this says otherwise as to not being a contrarian
are you done?
molten gorge
this says otherwise as to not being a contrarian
cause some random guy came in and said I hate facts lol
molten gorge
random as in not part of the conversation
zealous goblet
who said they hate facts
jagged pier
Its a genral forum everyones part of the conversation
toxic gyro
In higher keys and good group there’s no downtime to drink a coffee and take a poop break. You chain pull…
molten gorge
In higher keys and good group there’s no downtime to drink a coffee and take a p...
even more reason to not run ITF apparently in those cases
as my Dawnbreaker was veto'd under these conditions
molten gorge
cant even read
you guy's literally said
I have time between to recharge shield block
which is perfectly fair
lusty grotto
can you chain pull in dawnbreaker?
lusty grotto
bingo, you reached the finish line
molten gorge
I think you're confused by what he means
toxic gyro
even more reason to not run ITF apparently in those cases
Yes if you can maintain sb… which is NOT possible without reaching haste breakpoints slapped in your face….
lusty grotto
he still doesnt get it
lusty grotto
here's something you may not know since youre new
lusty grotto
week 2, twelves are NOT HIGH KEYS
jagged pier
Most of the tanks are dps players too
molten gorge
they're higher than the 8s the people here are doing, that you're recommending they run HR on
sweet summit
can we just agree to disagree? hr is safer ITF is fine once you're comfortable enough ggykw
lusty grotto
they're higher than the 8s the people here are doing, that you're recommending t...
so?
brother take the L
molten gorge
so why would you recommend
you keep contradicting yourself
you said the disc isn't for high pushers
lusty grotto
because the people that ask here for advice arent MDI/TGP players with MDI/TGP teams
exactly
ty
molten gorge
now the guys at the top rn aren't high pushers (which is fair)
lusty grotto
take the L, youre embarassing yourself
molten gorge
you need HR to do high keys
but we don't recommend for high keys
like you're all over the place kid
lusty grotto
youre the one that mentioned 12s
zealous goblet
lusty grotto
and im just letting you know since you said youre new
apparently you havent ran a week 2 before
molten gorge
as I said many times, if you don't need HR for 12s, you definitely don't for 8s
lusty grotto
and are swearing on it
molten gorge
you said you're recommending for the average player
molten gorge
you're literally flip flopping all over the place
molten gorge
If Jakey meant, 100% uptime
molten gorge
then that's my bad, I misunderstood him
lusty grotto
again, are you done?
molten gorge
but then he said it wasn't about uptime
lusty grotto
are you going on a loop?
molten gorge
again, are you done?
idk, people keep replying? 🤷♂️
lusty grotto
am i?
lusty grotto
are you done?
toxic gyro
but we don't recommend for high keys
Even in lower keys EVERY TIME you take unmitigated hits YOU force your healer to spam you, so YOUR 130k extra goes to negative value because YOUR healer CANT dps. Not to mention you risk dying.
molten gorge
sure, I don't disagree
lusty grotto
aight im heading to bed, this guy cant take a hint
molten gorge
toxic gyro
You have shitty m+ mentality as a tank too. It’s not all about you and your damage. M+ is a team effort and you’re being a crutch.
molten gorge
aight im heading to bed, this guy cant take a hint
people are typing to me bro, idk what you want
jagged pier
Yes i do and that recommendation is always on the safer side because the average player i not that good so running hr even in a plus 2 will be better, and waiting for a certaim haste point is the correct thing, can u make do without ? Sure but in 95% of cases even ppl i top keys running the itf is the wrong choice do they make sure yer doesnt mean its best
And i am here to recommend the best option
Which is wait
For your haste
Ppl dont have to take the recommendation
molten gorge
Ya fair, I said earlier if that's what you meant then I misunderstood
I just was confused when you then said it's not about uptime
cause obv that's what makes it safer
then it got onto dps difference etc idk, got super far removed
jagged pier
Well its about general play too alot of ppl cant play the class with the speed its suppsed to be play at
molten gorge
aye I feel you, it's spammy
jagged pier
So adding more button pressing with more haste makes it worse
molten gorge
I just read you super literally
jagged pier
Its okay from what we found today your safe to run itf in dawnbreaker when ever u want
molten gorge
hahahaha
need to go over that Ara-Kara now cause I played badly
is there an easy way to see hit in the back vs block down btw? or am I gonna have to manually pour over it?
jagged pier
Might have played badly but i wouldnt expect to see more thab 90% with itf tbh
jagged pier
is there an easy way to see hit in the back vs block down btw? or am I gonna hav...
Nope
molten gorge
most seem to be like 89%ish I wanna say
molten gorge
ya sounds right from my memory of the quick checks I had
jagged pier
Which is fine in sls season 1 we were happy with 75%
molten gorge
tbh rn I've been tryna focus more on using my Defensives, cause week 1 was not a good look
I had like 7 shield walls in a whole dungeon
molten gorge
ya, I changed some WAs up
zealous goblet
wait
are the itf users running the haste flask i wonder
because reommended consumes on wowhead is the random stat one and the crit one
molten gorge
I did wonder the same yesterday
jagged pier
U can tell in logs
molten gorge
I just wanted to try it out tbh, and was surprised when I didn't just fall over
zealous goblet
U can tell in logs
i havent glanced at logs, was hoping someone had the answer before i went digging
molten gorge
I'm on there now, I'll check
jagged pier
It shouldnt make too much difference tbh
jagged pier
jagged pier
True
molten gorge
i havent glanced at logs, was hoping someone had the answer before i went diggin...
Alchemical Chaos on the one I'm looking at
zealous goblet
sussy...
chilly brook
Wdym “still”
pallid quiver
i like rsk because it gives me filler for blackout combo
i don't even know if that talent is optimal for damage anymore or not
i just like it
chilly brook
It’s baseline
chilly brook
You can’t not run it
zealous goblet
wtf is rsk
chilly brook
i like rsk because it gives me filler for blackout combo
i don't even know if t...
BoC is def still the move for damage
pallid quiver
Brew got access to it baseline going into DF
Part of what caused the spec to be bloated to a lot of people
chilly brook
It’s a good button
jagged pier
Its a bad button rotation isnt fluid anymore
chilly brook
It does a lot of things that make it worth pressing
Feels fluid to me rn
Especially with not playing breath reset
But then again I was not a fan of the 1234-1234-1234 rotation that brew became in legion where it was basically static
green bronze
are you talking about first pull of city of threads?
green bronze
dawnbreaker first 2 pulls are hard as well
you either survive those first 2 pulls or you disband basically)
jagged pier
What lvl?
round pendant
+8
jagged pier
Seems about right
green bronze
i have tried it a few times in 10 last week, disbanded without even reaching first boss)
green bronze
mists is free if you survive the maze
necrotic is also kinda free
dawnbreaker is not in my top 4 easiest)
did you guys see that stupid shit, my priest said he will delete the boss, and he delivered)
apparently his trinket gives him 14k int for 20 secs)
halcyon jungle
damn i couldnt do a tier 10 delve
pretty disappointed in myself
but it was venombite that killed me
green bronze
damn i couldnt do a tier 10 delve
we go again
round pendant
Dunno seems like its the second easiest key from what i can tell
It's really easy but when people don't kick/cc anything they just get shredded
which is fair
but since the nerfs to CC's not resetting CDs
I can't carry my crappy groups anymore
wicked pollen
But every tank sucks ass
amen
green bronze
why do i get flamed for doing this pull
wicked pollen
together?
green bronze
no, only pull 5
apparently thats not how i supposed to do it? every other thing i try is way over the count
sweet summit
green bronze
apparently rio suggests fighting leitenant alone
wicked pollen
safer but slower
green bronze
sound very inefficient
green bronze
just failed 2 dawnbreakers with that pull, guess ill try fighting leitenaunt alone
wicked pollen
just watched a pov of the pull and it seems free but it was prob a coordinated group
healer will definitely hate you
green bronze
ye, its free if healer is not sleeping
and pressing his cds
probably have to talk about that pull beforehand, if i want to do it in pug
wicked pollen
i agree
austere marsh
thoughts?
wicked pollen
play what you want
jagged pier
Doesnt really change anything so sure go ahead
molten gorge
/s
molten gorge
apparently thats not how i supposed to do it? every other thing i try is way ove...
what % are you at overall?
with your whole route I mean
green bronze
what % are you at overall?
100%
molten gorge
Spicy
green bronze
oblique radish
That pull is fine. I sit myself into the corner by the stairs on that pull
neon elk
Have u tried doing less on countryard (2nd boss) and more around church? Feels like that the way at least from my exp
green bronze
its mostly the same trash, i just like to fight the boss when there is a lot of room
neon elk
U have less caster at curch, nostly just dodging shockwaves
And u can do on other side of fountai where is tons of space
green bronze
will try it next time
shrewd ore
that's what i did in my pug 10
neon elk
Also that 6 pull is rather spicy for no reason, dawn isnt a time race realy , just play it safe and its ez time
cerulean tusk
Why do I have ping in here 
pallid quiver
Why do I have ping in here <:Hydrate:690891013350228028>
You can use the search bar to search for @mention: and it'll let you search yourself if you type your username in
cerulean tusk
Ah, yes, I did some 2h tanking. it got the job done up the 10 level, then got to point of critical damage taken
Not done it this season tho, busy farming out 10s for friends
Weird discussion ppl had
pallid quiver
actually, i think the search filter is just mentions:
cerulean tusk
I used the phone go to notifications thing
Just had some to go through
Ppl happy liquid won 
Oh before I forget, something something won cause 12 hour headstart
twin hill
what do you guys think about macroing shield block and ignore pain togehter? so shield block gets prio casted and additional rage goes into IP?
neon elk
Dont do that
twin hill
Dont do that
understood, can you go into details why its inherently bad to do?
neon elk
U will be rage starved , we spam IP a lot but there are cases where u just dont do that .
Like for example using rage for revenge to fish for SS reset while maintaining SB
twin hill
Ah yeah i can see the problem
golden basin
understood, can you go into details why its inherently bad to do?
You could be in position where you need to refresh block but need more damage out of revenge
twin hill
Thanks for the input. Warrior rotation is new to me, so I try to make improvements where I can
halcyon jungle
so, what abilities are good to macro together with IP?
when i click on IP i put shield slam in that macro aswell which was super helpful
neon elk
Also u will still need separate IP macro, as there are cases where u want IP while SB isnt "that" important
twin hill
so, what abilities are good to macro together with IP?
when i click on IP i put ...
I implemented that one too, feels really good
golden basin
so, what abilities are good to macro together with IP?
when i click on IP i put ...
I could see this being a bit problematic too. For example in high aoe situations and you have a Violent outburst and you use it on slam cause it’s macroed instead of TC
green bronze
I could see this being a bit problematic too. For example in high aoe situations...
this is one of those situations where you better be safe than sorry, i would rather insta slam and get a lot of rage to survive
maiden nimbus
Anything I should look to improve? I felt like I did really well this run, especially on damage, but am wondering if there are some things I can work on.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AR9zchqtZdJ76QjN#fight=last
golden basin
this is one of those situations where you better be safe than sorry, i would rat...
True, it’s a good way to snipe SS resets also.
halcyon jungle
i dont pay attention to violent outburst 😦
green bronze
i dont pay attention to violent outburst 😦
its a min-maxing thing tbh, learn rotation first, worry about violent outburst later
rocky dove
Does my choice of race matter for protection? I'm currently Orc, but I'm not sure if that's the best race or even if there's a thing as "best race"
green bronze
Does my choice of race matter for protection? I'm currently Orc, but I'm not sur...
any dwarf is best, but doesnt matter much this season
green bronze
Anything I should look to improve? I felt like I did really well this run, espec...
you did pretty good, i just think you should try to get more haste on your gear and go for bigger pulls if you want to increase your dps
short tree
do we send demo shout on cd in raid with booming voice or hold as an on demand defensive?
halcyon jungle
you guys use thane or colossus for delving? solo
blazing condor
do we send demo shout on cd in raid with booming voice or hold as an on demand d...
generally send
if ur heavy mythic progging and really need the defensives u could hold for specific timings
if you know you dont need it to live then send
green bronze
i felt like shield wall is always up in raid for tank mechanics, with impenetrable wall
but i never raided mythic
blazing condor
i can only remember a few times i needed to hold demo shout
maiden nimbus
you did pretty good, i just think you should try to get more haste on your gear ...
Awesome Ty for the feedback will need to work on changing some gear around thanks!
green bronze
Awesome Ty for the feedback will need to work on changing some gear around thank...
it also showing like you only pressed shield block 8 times, you generally try to have a habit of always keeping it on 1 charge
graceful kite
i dont pay attention to violent outburst 😦
Track seeing red
green bronze
it seems like you didnt need to press it often cause of heavy repercussions and shield slam, but keeping it on 1 charge is a good habit to build, will help you in higher keys
maiden nimbus
it seems like you didnt need to press it often cause of heavy repercussions and ...
Okay got it - I have a replay of my run so I may watch it and see if it’s reporting in the logs correctly. I feel like I’m pressing it more than 8 times in a dungeon but maybe I’m not. Will have to check it out - thanks again!
lofty warren
NA wins again
sick sentinel
NA wins again
Again? They lost last time 🤔
untold isle
Hey guys a question :
- Do you have weak aura or addon, that announces your successful interrupt to EMOTE? I was using announce interrupt but it doesnt work, and only does to say?
strong forum
details has built in tool that announces successful interrupt
molten gorge
I have something doing it and I want to turn it off
blazing condor
if its already interrupted then its interrupted
molten gorge
details has built in tool that announces successful interrupt
Is that what's doing it
Gonna have to check this
Annoyingly could not find lol
untold isle
well when I announce it to say, it spams my screen, when i was in DF i had it on emote, but doesnt work now 😒
strong forum
plush tendon
NA wins again
tribal wharf
aint dem de ones dat them there cheatered
the RWF
liquid
i thought there was bans or somethin
lofty warren
no kap it doesn't matter all of them are better then us
untold isle
Thank you.
plush tendon
next tier's race will be crazy; Echo is probably seething right now
blazing condor
its just a game
plush tendon
its just a game
so?
untold isle
also, is there now a WA, that shows you how much dmg you spell reflected?
untold isle
i am using spell reflect essentials, but doesnt show tghe number I spell reflected
plush tendon
they go home and chill its not that deep
no? they are competitive people. Losing sucks
blazing condor
i mean they didnt lose they got 2nd
tribal wharf
losing sucks, but competition getting stronger is good thing
cuz it means both sides give a shit to try to clash again
plush tendon
i mean they didnt lose they got 2nd
lofty warren
is there anything you can press before key start that gets reset when key start like META for DH?
blazing condor
https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-g...
im just trollin btw
blazing condor
is there anything you can press before key start that gets reset when key start ...
used to be that you could press Last Stand when you had bolster
tribal wharf
https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-g...
first only counts in a race
plush tendon
lofty warren
used to be that you could press Last Stand when you had bolster
what about now?
halcyon jungle
ok tier 10 delve done
raw parcel
ok tier 10 delve done
Grats!
halcyon jungle
you guys go mountain thane or colossus for delves? solo
tulip harness
Is it possible to macro ravager and champions spear into one button, or is that not a thing?
peak light
With Swarmlord's authority are we just sending on CD?
strong forum
Pmuch
sharp gale
Did a mists 11, we timed it 4-5 min before timing, 0 death, what dps you need for 12 we 1 phase the first boss, maybe it’s my pulls I’m maybe a bitch
toxic pewter
wat
sharp gale
Sry maybe my English is bad I’m a baguette, basically how much dps everyone needs to be to time a 12 mist I got in my bag ?
Because 4-5 min timed no chance of timing the 12, second boss has 453m in 11 and 600m in 12
pallid quiver
Generally, the way to time higher keys is to find ways to pull bigger
and manage to have the group not die
it's a little hard with mists since you're forced to go pack by pack in the maze, though
sharp gale
I don’t do the double villager first pull maybe it’s time (yes we pulled through maze with dk pet)
tulip harness
Can't macro 2 gcds into the same button
ty
odd delta
Hey guys, apparently spellblock also blocks AOE attacks? i thought it would only block targetted spells no?
vocal nimbus
odd delta
ah ty shenko
pallid quiver
Hey guys, apparently spellblock also blocks AOE attacks? i thought it would only...
To elaborate, it blocks whatever Blizz says it can block
Easiest kneejerk rule of thumb is can't block the actual dot portions of dots, and can't block floor effect spells.
As Shenko mentioned, some dot portions of dots are spell blockable, so
it's just whatever blizz says is allowed