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split stratus
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@lusty grotto Finally, thanks again 🫶

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lusty grotto
warm star
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actually i really wants to play arms but i hear fury is so much better?

lusty grotto
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both are good

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fury is slightly ahead on aoe

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and is easier to play

marble cipher
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Fury keeps getting nerfed though, but I guess they'll have to focus on enhancement and frost DK some time soon in stead .... right ..... RIGHT

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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they will

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blizzard seems to hate melee being top dps

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so both FDK and Ehn will undoubtedly get nerfed while mage will keep getting buffed

marble cipher
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Good thing I'm leveling my mage atm
Though, I would've preferred to just stay on one class this season, tank as prot, offspec as fury for some fun braindead zugzug when I'm tired of tanking for a bit

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But, it does look like blizz won't let me

lusty grotto
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mage/ele/lock are doing fairly fine

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bm is getting aoe buffs

plush tendon
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People are sleeping on boomkin

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especially in M+

lusty grotto
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it is weird that blizzard just seems inclined to just fuck melee every season since DF, but oh well

plush tendon
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make all the melee play tank out of raid

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reduce ques

marble cipher
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bring back glad stance!

plush tendon
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they want every warrior/dk/paladin/dh to play their tank spec in keys

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and then get the monks to either heal/tank

lusty grotto
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thats a hot take

plush tendon
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by making melee annoying

plush tendon
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but I can see it

lusty grotto
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but seems in-line with their current design

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i just hate it

plush tendon
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basically just leaves rogues as the only pure melee dps class

smoky anvil
lusty grotto
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ngl but thats an effective bait, cause you got me tilting right now

cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
surreal herald
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Is there a way to see how many times I pressed kick? I know about successful kicks but I want to see how many I missed/overlapped

lusty grotto
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logs

smoky anvil
umbral kernel
marble cipher
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it makes sense, untill you think of Havoc/VDH, Havoc won't be nerfed, even though they do a loooot of dmg as well now
But, then again, DH is in the same boat as rogue/lock/mage, blizz' adorable pet classes that they don't dare touch too much

umbral kernel
marble cipher
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will be fucked? or gotten fucked?
Cause I don't see our VDH low on any meters though

plush tendon
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idk, Havoc may do damage in keys

marble cipher
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havoc*

cerulean tusk
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Havoc got the strongest uncapped AoE burst in tr game tho

plush tendon
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but how many Havocs get titled when they have to vengeful retreat and do mechanics in dungeons

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might as well force em to tank

umbral kernel
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yea but enjoy the shit playstyle + the probability of dying because of inertia/momentum

plush tendon
umbral kernel
vale karma
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If I am at 100 range, have shield slam off cd and have 2mn IP going, is it better to revenge or press SS first and overcap rage?

lusty grotto
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you press IP

cerulean tusk
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Just send IP and SS

lusty grotto
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IP cap does not matter

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you send it regardless

umbral kernel
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anger management exists

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cap or not

cerulean tusk
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Always send SS is da goal

marble cipher
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indominable too

lusty grotto
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and outburst

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IP cap is only important for colossus

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not for Thane

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if at all

marble cipher
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Revenge*

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(I guess you mean?)

sharp gale
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Almost Every off gcd I IP x)

cerulean tusk
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That be what we do

vale karma
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Ok, so the goal is to spend rage first and foremost

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Got it

umbral kernel
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even as Colossus pressing shield slam will be a better choice 99% of time

lusty grotto
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revenge is also dead last in prio as thane

umbral kernel
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shield block extends, still reduce demolish cd, reduce wall cd

sharp gale
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Revenge is my dead end filler to refresh SS

lusty grotto
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and while that applies to colossus as well, since generators are still higher prio, its even more so on thane cause it does absolute shit damge

vale karma
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No wonder my hps was so low, I was just making sure I had IP rolling, not dumping all rage into ))

lusty grotto
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just use it at 70+ rage

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do not rage starve

vale karma
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Ofc

umbral kernel
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just press

sharp gale
marble cipher
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Might not be the best of things, but I also use a macro that adds Shield Slam to IP.
And made a habit of pressing that button whenever I get a shield slam proc in stead of my normal shield slam
I'll probably lose rage at some points that way, but it keeps my IP almost constantly up and I have to worry less about rage starving

lusty grotto
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thats exactly how NOT to use that macro

vale karma
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Is exexute higher prio to dump rage? When not dying

sharp gale
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You almost never rage starve unless the pack is 3 min long or you didn’t save avatar for the next pack

lusty grotto
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in ST, yes

marble cipher
cerulean tusk
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Execute is good dam gladge esp for col

lusty grotto
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you rage starve with it

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and waste a shitton of rage

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its on the fine print in the guides

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and we always mention to NOT use it for SS

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even when it was pinned here

marble cipher
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Ok, I'll go read up again

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Thanks for pointing it out

lusty grotto
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that macro is to use IP

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not SS

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you need a second SS bind

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the goal of it is to snipe SS resets

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when you IP

sharp gale
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Just execute to… execute the last mobs of a pack or a ST boss

marble cipher
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I have a second SS bind, no worries, but, I'm clearly using the ip macro wrong then

potent tree
surreal herald
lusty grotto
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uploads arent automatic

potent tree
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U have to upload yourself through the wow companion ap

lusty grotto
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unless if youre live logging

potent tree
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^

surreal herald
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I am

tribal wharf
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aka the yogi special

lusty grotto
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ok well

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log into your account

tribal wharf
lusty grotto
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in wcl

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and it should be under your username

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regardless of if it is live logged or not

tribal wharf
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6 unblocked melees im seeing on that pull

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thats why we yell and scream about press shield block

potent tree
sharp gale
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Heroic week was on a prog pug last boss, the Druid tank told us he dies to p2 adds bc he can’t iron fur I was like : wtf I don’t know Druid tank but isn’t iron fur the basic thing to maintain like SB

tacit falcon
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speaking of which - I decided to go prot to tank keys for the homies, since pug tanks are inconsistent Af. Are folks double pulling this week in +7s? some of those packs seems spicy aF

sharp gale
tacit falcon
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see it's funny I don't like bear because iron fur, but fine with prot LOL. Maybe because it's shorter duration? idk.

tacit falcon
lusty grotto
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iron fur is different

surreal herald
lusty grotto
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because it stacks

sharp gale
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But mostly it’s : do you kill the pull before they kill you or does your heal will heal all this pulse dmg (big boys in ara Kara/cot) if you take more

lusty grotto
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SB stacks in duration, iron fur has actual stacks

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the idea is similar, the implementation is different

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as a bear you want 2-3 stacks up at all times

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no rage = no stacks

tacit falcon
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yea i feel like I can't spam IF enough, but boy they look fucking DURABLE.

lusty grotto
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incarn 🙂

sharp gale
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Okok thx didn’t not understand why he died to the little spiders on ansurek p2 hc

lusty grotto
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he shouldnt

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if hes not generating rage as bear, hes doing something wrong

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doesnt matter if hes moonbear or dotc

sharp gale
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Tbh he was kinda inting after 2 h on the boss he manages to still get grabbed/eaten during p1 intermission

lusty grotto
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😬

tribal wharf
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ya, seconday resource bar (mana energy, anything)

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not moving or emptying/filling too much = bad

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like, rogue has a kinda similiar thing as rage, its constantly coming back, use it to do bigger attacks, use medium small attacks to gain more and use cds to drown in it

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example, 2 healers one is going oom every fight, other one always has 90% mana

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both are probably doing something wrong

sharp gale
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Or one is playing hpal

tribal wharf
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shaman for keys needs lots of mana

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chain heal is fuck loads of mana cost

sharp gale
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Yes that’s what I’m saying hpal doesn’t need to drink but sham is a mana dumping heal

swift totem
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fury

tribal wharf
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shaman earth shield is just too strong

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that shit is crazy

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best asborb in the game imo

elfin garden
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isnt chain heal garbage tho? you onjly want chain heal from totems

tribal wharf
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im no expert on resto shaman, i did try one for a few dungeons

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i can heal on it if i have to

sharp gale
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Like I said to one of my guild friend complaining about not finding tanks, take a shield and a sword you can tank now brother

tribal wharf
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shaman comes with alot of group utility

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almost as much as aug

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so its almost always pick for me

sharp gale
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Aug tank buff is great

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Blistering scales

cyan bronze
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blistering scales is less dr than you might think

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the main stat from em is more meaningful, generally

small bone
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Is it worth taking Disrupting Shout to bring more utility?

tribal wharf
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dragon is hit and miss for me to take into keys and somewhat rare

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some classes and specs you just dont see as many of, dk, dragons

sharp gale
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It is hit or miss like arcane mages

cyan bronze
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dk provides some meaningful tank mitigationchatting

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aass

lusty grotto
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theres 0 reason to bring an aug unless youre pushing title keys

tribal wharf
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dk provides grabbo arms and brez

lusty grotto
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do not invite them, most of you wont need it and it will be a dps loss for your group

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
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i dont even know if they are aug alls i know is they are dragon dps

cyan bronze
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but yes, your sentiment is correct

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but it’s also like at that key level, they aren’t very tight in terms of dmg so bringing the aug isn’t that meaningful of a loss

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you could bring two, fwiw, and still time relatively high keyskeks

lusty grotto
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it is

tribal wharf
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like i say over and over again, i dont care about meta or dps rankings, all i give a fuck about is they fit have brez or lust, and do i think they cna get the job done or not

lusty grotto
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the contribution isnt as big this time around

tribal wharf
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if i see 571 survi hunter

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and i invite him and he says hes drunk, and he needs a summon

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i might kick that guy

cyan bronze
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the new SC cook is significantly more dmg than you might of seen previously @lusty grotto

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only around ~10-5% behind most specs

lusty grotto
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im not talking about augs in a vacuum

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you never brought an aug because of the damage boost alone

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in the keys these guys are doing

tribal wharf
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is dev good for keys?

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i dunno

lusty grotto
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augs do NOT use their defensive toolkit

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so they are at a loss

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always

shell iron
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whats the addon that tells you when to reflect magic dmg as a tank?

cyan bronze
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i mean

lusty grotto
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100% of the time

cyan bronze
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you can make that argument for anyone really

lusty grotto
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but more so for augs

cyan bronze
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i suppose

lusty grotto
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because thats literally why they are meta

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or were

cyan bronze
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i mean idk how bad pug augs are

sharp gale
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They are

cyan bronze
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i haven’t pugged since s3

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surely they’ve gotten betterchatting

sharp gale
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You will wipe third boss nw if you have the regular pug aug

tribal wharf
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in some regards yes

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
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there was alot of shitty dragon players in df earlier patches

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im not gunna try to lie

cyan bronze
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aug is kinda standoutishly exceptional for that boss

lusty grotto
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pug augs are only focused on ebon might uptime

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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when they should be focused on both uptime, eon's placement and every single defensive ability they provide

cyan bronze
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the triple spear eons lust is a lot of eons dmg there

lusty grotto
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pug augs wont even have sleep walk or caut on their bars

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
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they will not rescue/double dragon anyone

cyan bronze
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i mean idk I mained aug for a while

tribal wharf
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pug augs are actually using carry player correctly and timing and to save time in keys

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they would fuck that up in earlry df

lusty grotto
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youre a crystalline drop in a sea of garbage

elfin garden
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:kek:

cyan bronze
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yeah I suppose most augs are probably useless io leech’s

lusty grotto
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thats the way of it

cyan bronze
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i mean surely every aug has to have sleep walk bound

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after neltharus

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no?

lusty grotto
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nope

cyan bronze
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how were they doing neltharus

lusty grotto
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i did 18s where they didnt even know how to fucking do hunters

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
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and yeah i felt the same way

cyan bronze
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those guys slapped

lusty grotto
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"how are they even doing these keys"

cyan bronze
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ig just manning up thru it

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but like that route was pretty standard by week 2 of s4

lusty grotto
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yeah

cyan bronze
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there was a sleep walk in bloom aswell

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but that one was more niche

tribal wharf
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overall i would say i am very neutral on neltharus

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as a dungeon

cyan bronze
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it was great in s2

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and fucking awful in s4

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so i would say im neutral on it overall

tribal wharf
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it is good but its also bland and it also goes on a bit too long for me with nothing interesting going on

lusty grotto
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s2 nelth was garbage

cyan bronze
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i enjoyed it

lusty grotto
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playing around chains is not good key design

tribal wharf
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RLP is my most hated keystone of all

sharp gale
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I only played s1 DF so I only know barely neltharus

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
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that place annoys the fuck out of me

lusty grotto
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i disagree

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nelth was a solid dungeon in s4

tribal wharf
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i cant stand that as a keystone, with a timer

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nope soon as timer is put to that im done

lusty grotto
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the only problem nelth had in s4, were hunters

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which were overtuned

cyan bronze
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i think all of the trash was boring and annoying

lusty grotto
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same as BH having a hard req for soothe in the first section

cyan bronze
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and it only had fun bosses

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
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and its hunters also being banned from being pulled

cyan bronze
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the soothe route besides pulling pack onto boss was very sleeperge

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brackenhide was great fun tho

tribal wharf
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didnt like that one

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but i wont complain on it

cyan bronze
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i thought azure was hot ass

sharp gale
cyan bronze
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there was just a lot of cool tech, like wyrnstone

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standing on the silly rock

tribal wharf
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ya blizzard is 50/50 for creating dungeons that are both cool to run a n00b and to run on a keystone timer

cyan bronze
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sigil of misery for cages

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idk i thought it was a very good m+ dungeon

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that just had a few major (mind soothe related) flaws

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there was a lot of places for niche utility there to feel useful also, like ursocs vortex (Druid) in first section for runners

tribal wharf
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it would be nice if there was a short glossary for types of fears, or slows or stuns for example

lusty grotto
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thats another thing about pug augs

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they never have weyrnstone bound

tribal wharf
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cuz there is fear, horrify, cower

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
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or talented

oblique garnet
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Only real opinion about df dungeons was that they all were bad cant even change my mind

cyan bronze
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do you know the werynstone tech in city of threads

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it’s so fucking funny but there’s 0 chance a pug aug will pull that off

lusty grotto
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the amount of times i was expecting a weyrnstone for treemouth boss in BH and never got it is eclipses the times i got it

waxen frigate
sweet summit
waxen frigate
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RLP decent

tribal wharf
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they tried to make df dungeons good some of the tww dungeons are obtuse

waxen frigate
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Rest trash

cyan bronze
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rlp was fun

lusty grotto
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RLP and BH

cyan bronze
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it was just hard and that’s why people don’t like it

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and i stand by that

tribal wharf
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like try to imagine explaining how to run DB 4 years from now when its in 10-80 lvling LFD

oblique garnet
waxen frigate
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But otherwise good dungeon

cyan bronze
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i mean you could skip both

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but ye

tribal wharf
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its not that DB is hard but it will be hard due to the disconnect players will naturally have for it

cyan bronze
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i do agree

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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skipping stormy with pugs was

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yea

cyan bronze
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True

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I get that

lusty grotto
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well not just pugs

sharp gale
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I Will say it, I prefer king’s rest over all DF dungeons that’s how I really don’t like DF dungeons

tribal wharf
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and bum rush the boss again

oblique garnet
coarse sparrow
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Academy was good

cyan bronze
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I think vdh unironically ruined most of dragonflight dungeons s3 s4

oblique garnet
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Nothing is as garbage as kings rest

cyan bronze
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As a vdh main that shit was so unfun

waxen frigate
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Court of Stars, for example, is one of the worst keys ever IMO

sharp gale
oblique garnet
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Like you cannot overcome how awful design shadow of zul is

waxen frigate
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but it’s easy as fuck

lusty grotto
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SBG

waxen frigate
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SBG terribad

lusty grotto
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is a prime example of that

waxen frigate
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Ye

cyan bronze
waxen frigate
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But court really stands out to me

sharp gale
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SBG still forgot it existed

cyan bronze
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Were buffs scripted?

lusty grotto
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both of those were hot fucking garbage

waxen frigate
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Period

oblique garnet
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They butchered freehold

waxen frigate
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Mandatory RP in a dungeon is bad

oblique garnet
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I will never forgive blizzard for that

tribal wharf
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KR right after the first boss, the 1 statue pack that turns into a lightning aoe guy

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
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that guy deleted groups

sharp gale
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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they did make FH worse, but it wasn't garbage

waxen frigate
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I’m talking about the 2nd boss area

lusty grotto
cyan bronze
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Yeah

sharp gale
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But underrot was really fine

oblique garnet
lusty grotto
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WCM was better

waxen frigate
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It wasn’t scripted at all it was purely random

lusty grotto
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because no room RNG

cyan bronze
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Ohkeks

tribal wharf
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rrreeeeeeeeeee hold is the easiest dungeon of all time imo

waxen frigate
cyan bronze
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Yeah i was dogass in s1 i had just started playing

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That seems aids in an actual key then

tribal wharf
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WCM for me is also easy mode too

waxen frigate
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But it was just ass to do imo

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City of threads is ass for similar reasons

oblique garnet
tribal wharf
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threads is EZ mode for me now

lusty grotto
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i agree Nish

cyan bronze
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City of threads has weyrnstone pull tech

waxen frigate
cyan bronze
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You can have your aug pull the last eye onto third eye while you find it

waxen frigate
cyan bronze
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We tested it on beta

lusty grotto
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they fixed everything that was bad about WCM in BFA

cyan bronze
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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so they made it better

waxen frigate
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Fuck that

lusty grotto
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in comparison to

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MISTS OF TIRNA

cyan bronze
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Idk maybe i just like suffering

lusty grotto
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where they just flat out made it worse

cyan bronze
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I really like city of threads

waxen frigate
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For some reason I like mists even though it’s rng

lusty grotto
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while not fixing the worst things about it

oblique garnet
cyan bronze
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I’m a fucking eye master bro

waxen frigate
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I think it’s a comfort key for me since I’m a shadowlands baby

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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FH wasnt made as bad as MoTS is now

oblique garnet
tribal wharf
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far as im concerned they didnt change a god damn thing about WCM except for literal the doors are all open at start now

oblique garnet
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Its just a silence circle

tribal wharf
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and thats all it ever needed

waxen frigate
cyan bronze
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MoTS is so fucking ass there should be a teleport between first boss and second boss and then the entire maze trash snaps onto you

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And it would be a better key

waxen frigate
tribal wharf
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well,, witches is OMEGALUL unless tyranical

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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they had one thing to fix on MoTS and it was the maze RNG, and they didnt fucking touch it

cyan bronze
oblique garnet
cyan bronze
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I fucking hate how the maze isn’t static % by maze route

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It pisses me off so fucking much

tribal wharf
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it wouldnt matter what order you faced witches in

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only one scary the one the one that goes second in df

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maybe thorns??

cyan bronze
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“haha bad maze this time guys gotta pull more bugs! theres more bugs under our skin"

tribal wharf
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if melee brain dead??

cyan bronze
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Mists without a pet classkeks

lusty grotto
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its not just that, its hell for lust timings

sharp gale
cyan bronze
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Double frog🫶

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My love🫶

tribal wharf
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can you still pets through mists mazes?

sharp gale
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Yes

cyan bronze
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Yeah in some spots

tribal wharf
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sweet

cyan bronze
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It’s bit more finicky than in SL tho I believe

sharp gale
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But anima slash pack pet pull, watch out

cyan bronze
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Triple guardian pack

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Let’s go

tribal wharf
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that frog boss was a pain in the ass

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df

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never really did figure him out

cyan bronze
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Halls?

tribal wharf
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ya

cyan bronze
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stackge

sharp gale
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Stack, stun

cyan bronze
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bring vdh for sigil of chainskeks

waxen frigate
sharp gale
cyan bronze
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Druid was good there too for ursocs

sharp gale
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Any bets on what will be the next bfa/SL dungeon in next season ?

cyan bronze
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halls of atonement x8

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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i cant wait for this exp's megadungeon to be a key with a 10 min timer and 30 mins of only RP

cyan bronze
oblique garnet
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Motherlode

cyan bronze
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and 3 2 minute bosses

sharp gale
cyan bronze
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and then rest is mists maze, rise gauntlet

sharp gale
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With tol dagor if they change some aspects

cyan bronze
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Etc

oblique garnet
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I have ptsd from that 3rd boss and playing warrior

lusty grotto
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bro

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theres no way

tribal wharf
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no

lusty grotto
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they can do TD

tribal wharf
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final boss is the true trauma

lusty grotto
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i will hard unsub

tribal wharf
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cuz

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at a certain point

oblique garnet
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Final boss was free

tribal wharf
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he has soo many hp

oblique garnet
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It didnt do anything

cyan bronze
oblique garnet
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3rd boss dot if you miss reflect gl

cyan bronze
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for tww s1

tribal wharf
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that he starts to get the debuff on everyone

cyan bronze
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that included tol dagor

sharp gale
cyan bronze
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“datamine” i will say

lusty grotto
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the only good part about TD was the start pull

oblique garnet
tribal wharf
#

and then you start having to external bubble, brez, los it, and the fight goes to TOTAL SHIT

lusty grotto
#

EVERYTHING ELSE WAS GARBAGE

tribal wharf
#

im telling you final TD is 10000% worse than 3rd

#

its really bad

oblique garnet
lusty grotto
#

im gonna quote yogi here

cyan bronze
oblique garnet
#

Phone internet shit so messages got mixed up

lusty grotto
#

i prefer KR a million times more than a fucking TD reintroduction

tribal wharf
#

boss 3 of ML was fine

#

nasty debuff

oblique garnet
#

Reflectable too

#

Had to be quick on the draw

inland raft
#

Bfa i was a dos main and played havoc, i cant imagine that boss without the cheese strats like blade dance dodging every blast etc

sharp gale
cyan bronze
inland raft
#

Kr i liked

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
#

2nd boss was really novel

lusty grotto
tribal wharf
#

with the totems you can collect and use

oblique garnet
lusty grotto
#

because apparently you didnt have everyone pulling everything through walls

oblique garnet
#

Theres some clips from my stream with td bullshit

lusty grotto
#

and apparently you didnt have to hard rely on vanish tech for skips

sharp gale
tribal wharf
#

what triggers me about ML is after the first boss and then theres those bastards that drop 1329325431290489i-12338921 bombs

oblique garnet
lusty grotto
#

ML was fine, except for the death skip

cyan bronze
oblique garnet
#

Aye you can do it with bs but its slow

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
#

those dudes that dropped the bombs gave me heart attack

#

scarty shit

cyan bronze
#

It’s like actually the only thing i know about TDkeks

oblique garnet
#

Reflecting the cannon to kill the gunner was good times tho 8)

lusty grotto
#

having rogues not know how to vanish skip was fucking aids

sharp gale
tribal wharf
#

i think the nerf to 5 cannon shots was lame

#

should be like, the new GB dragon fireing

#

5 special round

oblique garnet
#

It just made it a race who can do the biggest pull to cannons

#

And that was fine

tribal wharf
#

infinite shitty rounds

cyan bronze
#

also was the bolstering artillery guy thing in siege of boralus actually a thing real people did in keys

#

or was that like a one time thing on a stream

lusty grotto
#

the spotter

cyan bronze
#

yes him

tribal wharf
#

the special one being the one that ignites them and knocks them down

#

regular just deals large aoe dmg

lusty grotto
#

i feel like siege is a lot better now, its still a shit key though

#

ngl

cyan bronze
#

was the bolster thing real

lusty grotto
#

i do miss the spotter, but its fine

tribal wharf
#

yes

#

very yes bolster the spotter

#

and use spotter to kill things

cyan bronze
#

that’s funny we should bring that backkeks

tribal wharf
#

very very yes

#

extremely

sharp gale
cyan bronze
#

how much of the dungeon did you kill w himkeks

tribal wharf
#

bosses

cyan bronze
#

LOL

lusty grotto
#

everything

cyan bronze
#

could u do last boss with it

lusty grotto
#

until the first round of nerfs

#

yes

cyan bronze
#

or is that why last boss took so long

#

ahh

tribal wharf
#

it was more hard to keep the dude alive

#

was what it was

lusty grotto
#

nah

#

it was harder getting a fucking druid to root him

cyan bronze
#

just sanguine itchatting

lusty grotto
#

and keep him rooted

sharp gale
tribal wharf
#

but you were very playing with fire with that methond

#

cuz it would also hit you

lusty grotto
#

yogi

#

what

#

just watch feet

#

its not hard

tribal wharf
#

the spotter, yes move out i suppose

sharp gale
#

Walk into a banana : spotter starts to smile

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
#

more like charge pathing into it

#

lets be real

cyan bronze
#

Siege would be better with bolster spotter integrated as a mechanic

lusty grotto
#

siege would be better removed

cyan bronze
#

i mean both suggestions effectively do the same thing

sharp gale
cyan bronze
#

don’t have 2 play key

inland raft
#

I dont mind siege reslly its not fun but its not as bad as people make it out to be

lusty grotto
#

but again, even though i do miss the spotter, its actually okay now

cyan bronze
#

that “it’s not fun” bit

#

is the main issue

sharp gale
#

Don’t know why people think today’s siege is bad (for now)

cyan bronze
#

it’s just incredibly boring and unfun

inland raft
#

Well this whole season is a bit bad in that regard

tribal wharf
#

almost every single boss in seige except for 3rd boss can be classified as "non traditional" boss

inner wren
#

They could bring back bolstering

lusty grotto
#

ok

tribal wharf
#

loosely on boss 2

lusty grotto
#

you need to stop that thought

cyan bronze
#

i think siege of boralus makes city of threads look like an amusement park on LSD

#

i mean i think siege of boralus makes grim batol look fun

sharp gale
tribal wharf
#

boss 2 is really scary if dps doesnt target the canon dude

#

and use it

cyan bronze
#

holy shit

tribal wharf
#

usually i yell out GUN in all caps when they spawn

cyan bronze
#

“don’t kill ANY mobs”

tribal wharf
#

or in real keys, skull him

inner wren
#

Bolstering ara Kara would be so sick

cyan bronze
#

me when lava bender gets to 50% then sanguine backs to 100%

#

and we wipe

sharp gale
tribal wharf
#

does the 30% hp enrage still happen

#

the affix

#

i hope they got rid of it, i need to look up affixe

waxen frigate
#

There’s only fort/tyr and the seasonal

#

And the longer death penalty

cyan bronze
#

current affix is so fucking bad

#

this weeks

waxen frigate
#

Yeah this weeks sucks

#

Last weeks was good

cyan bronze
#

thank god it’s never in real keys

tribal wharf
#

this weeks is fine

#

i think

cyan bronze
waxen frigate
#

Yogi you’re not correct

lusty grotto
#

yeah this week's orbs are dogshit

cyan bronze
#

but the amount of line ups

#

when you just cannot get orbs

#

like second boss ara kara

#

siege of boralus last boss before fix

#

first boss city during movie

tribal wharf
#

oh, well i didnt think of it with that type of boss in mind

cyan bronze
#

it’s just quaking on crack

tribal wharf
#

i dont mind the affix though

sharp gale
#

Boralus third boss orb not moving bait (the wave is waiting you to go take them to pop)

tribal wharf
#

then again low yes

#

low keys es

lusty grotto
#

thats the least of the problems

#

treddy orbs are fucking aids

#

just go around for 5 mins picking them up

cyan bronze
#

o ya

#

mists last boss orbs

#

are so fucking bad

lusty grotto
#

because of his fat ass

potent tree
#

Orbs on the second boss of NW fucking blow

sharp gale
cyan bronze
#

it is kind of comical

#

but Jesus Christ

#

idk why they changed it to dmg amp on mobs

#

and not Dr on mobs

#

dr on mobs was fine

#

dmg amp on unavoidable line up is deadge

lusty grotto
#

shout out to orbs in erudax

#

gotta fucking spam SR to clear tentacles just so people have a way to pick em up

cyan bronze
#

i have not experienced that line up

#

I’ve gotten lucky

sharp gale
#

Didn’t do grim this week yet, why are you spoiling me that discovery

marble cipher
#

orbs would be "ok" if they don't spawn during boss encounters

#

but why have them then in the first place, just remove affix 😄

plush tendon
#

last week affix was fine

#

this week is aids

cyan bronze
#

last week was bad

#

but fine

plush tendon
#

they for sure did not think about the implications of orbs coming in

cyan bronze
#

no one hated it on beta

#

everyone on beta knew the orbs were going to be unplayable, everyone told blizzard

tribal wharf
#

"And don’t get me started on the affixes. Yeah, affixes—fancy word for 'Let's make your life hell.' Every week, some new combo of garbage, like 'Hey, let's make enemies explode after they die' or 'How about you take damage for standing still?' Oh yeah, that’s just great! I’ll be running around like a goddamn lunatic because apparently staying in one spot for two seconds is too much to ask. Who thinks of this sh*t? It's like they want you to have a mental breakdown!"

sharp gale
#

Both week was kinda meh bad, you see bad line up on both

cyan bronze
#

blizzard did not listen

tribal wharf
#

this was from the time i asked gpt to make a you know whats bullshit (avgn) about keystones

cyan bronze
#

instead

#

they made it worse

#

and made it a dmg amp ???

plush tendon
waxen frigate
cyan bronze
#

yo can we bring back thorned

#

guys

tribal wharf
#

"World of Warcraft Mythic+ Keystones… They take something that should be fun—dungeon crawling—and turn it into a stressful, rage-inducing chore that makes you want to throw your computer out the window. It’s like they looked at gaming and thought, ‘How can we ruin it just a little more?’ And they succeeded. What a load of bullsh*t!"

plush tendon
#

but with the amount of stuff going on in these dungeons.... do we really need more bull shit?

sharp gale
#

Bring back ghuun affix guys, anyone ?

waxen frigate
tribal wharf
#

i mean, it sounds a bit accurate

cyan bronze
#

bring back simple affixes

#

like bolstering

tribal wharf
#

gpt avgn

plush tendon
#

or just none

sharp gale
#

Or just delete affixes

blazing condor
#

"dungeon crawling" isn't even fun

#

and hasnt been since forever

cyan bronze
#

blizz does not have the tech for that

#

and u guys know it

toxic pewter
#

i like the new affixes

sweet summit
#

mods twist his testicles

cyan bronze
#

mods twist his testicles

mighty valley
#

i'd genuinely rather see yogi's absolute worst homegrown takes than more chatgpt bullshit

#

yogi please

sweet summit
#

can we kill generative ai

#

with hammers

blazing condor
mighty valley
#

technically yes

cyan bronze
mighty valley
#

it would just take a lotta people with a lotta hammers

cyan bronze
#

that is to say, using machine based learning

#

im gonna teach it to play wow next

sweet summit
#

so cruel

cyan bronze
#

5x robots push for titlechatting

mighty valley
#

yeah it's just the llm and image stuff that i hate

cyan bronze
#

5x robots don’t get past 12s because they fotm reroll x8

tribal wharf
#

MDI TAS would get KSM in 2.5 hous from 584 boosted ilvl characters

#

and yall know it

mighty valley
#

sure, show me the tech

cyan bronze
#

if die=false

quasi pivot
#

I'm enjoying watching the mining bots skip over the EZ-Mine nodes because they can't do them.

lusty grotto
#

as long as wcl and r.io are API exposed, its possible

tribal wharf
#

thats pretty much thats what it is

cyan bronze
#

i do major in it

lusty grotto
#

i work in it

#

and have been for a decade

tribal wharf
#

they teach it to "see" mario screen and then they give it goal to go to right, and eventually do the whole mario thing

#

and they can tell it "get as many coins as possible"

quasi pivot
#

The overlap of sweaty wow discord min maxers and Software Engineering is probably Very high

cyan bronze
#

300k straight out of uni tank you

tribal wharf
#

TAS is crazy shit

#

and its why i love AI

lusty grotto
#

im NA so youre fucked

cyan bronze
#

im NA

#

so you’re fucked more

lusty grotto
#

you said uni

#

thats an EU thing

tribal wharf
#

like a human record for a nintendo game will be 14 minutes

lusty grotto
#

murica says college

tribal wharf
#

TAS will do it in 7

cyan bronze
#

i go to a university not a college

marble sundial
#

prob canadian

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
#

oh canadian would make sense

tribal wharf
#

and not only will it do it in 7 minutes but it will do it in style frame perfect everything

cyan bronze
#

American; simply pretentious because of my unikeks

#

truly fallen for the trap

marble sundial
#

still american

cyan bronze
#

anyways I’ll be in your office tomorrow for the interview

marble sundial
#

no more programmers PLEASE

cyan bronze
#

my resume is im really fun at parties and i can find city of thread eyes fast

void nest
#

what the hell is going on with he last boss of city of threads, some of my dps were getting 1 shot by the slam on a 10 when they ran out of defensives

lusty grotto
#

just grab an internship to any company that claims to be a leader in "AI development" and then just make the most dumb fucking chatbots ever

#

it'll be a wakeup call, i promise

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
#

dont even apply to any company that cant answer "are you doing ML R&D"

cyan bronze
#

dreading my first in industry internship

lusty grotto
#

or that doesnt have any experience with tensorflow

#

and just uses chatGPT as a buzzword

cyan bronze
#

so half my professorskeks

lusty grotto
#

there's merit in teaching chatGPT though

cyan bronze
#

tenure is crazy

#

tenure is the skibidi hawk tuah of the boomers

#

rots their brain out of their skull

misty shuttle
#

Do any of you play the way that the top m+ runners are using? With mass silence etc

lusty grotto
#

yeah ig

lusty grotto
#

whats up?

#

not in all dungeons though

tribal wharf
#

my preffered way to run a key is the old blender method

#

get them all together and let the blades fly

brazen flower
#

Had my first DPS add me to their friends list today after a smooth NW, certainly helps my Imposter Syndrome! Still struggling to know when I’ve fucked up as a tank and when it’s just DPS eating avoidable mechanics

tribal wharf
#

as pwar very simple

#

if your hp bar moves in a way it should not

#

your hp should almost never move

lusty grotto
plush path
#

yo

#

whats the max health

sharp gale
#

100%

rough ridge
#

i struggle to tank the caster boss in silken court, feels like i get demolished by poison bolt/void bolt casts.
Spell block helps for 30 seconds but once that's over I'm not sure if there's anything I can do to survive better.
My bdk co tank suggests that he tanks the caster boss the whole time and we'll taunt swap for the piercing strike debuff to drop

plush path
sharp gale
lusty grotto
#

yup

#

SR and get dispelled

toxic pewter
#

u guys think its worth losing 7 ilvls on chestpiece to make 4 pc tier set

lusty grotto
#

no

toxic pewter
#

tier set better prob right

#

ok

lusty grotto
#

if youre unsure, just sim

#

just remember tier is relatively weak

toxic pewter
#

yes simming now

pine lotus
#

Should we craft 636 shield or wep first?

sharp gale
toxic pewter
#

yes lfr

#

it only way i got 4pc

#

so far

sharp gale
#

Really unlucky with 2 catalyst and 2k mark I feel bad for you

toxic pewter
#

ehh i was pvping first week and I used the 1600 rating mark for pvp item so my gear is sort of janky

#

and also have been unlucky with chestpiecee

wide charm
#

Anyone have any idea why this happens??
In the premade group finder looking at the listings, as a prot warrior tank, if a healer joins the group --- the group will go red (and thus be filtered out on next refresh) even though there is no tank in the group.
This happens on my healer too but when a tank joins the group.

There are no filters active, no m+ rating minimum set, and I have disabled all add-ons to test again.
It is still happening.

tribal wharf
#

i would just relist

#

takes 3 seconds

wide charm
#

No no, I am looking at the listings, not listing myself

tribal wharf
#

that could be them de-/re-listing the group

#

if you are familiar with forum posting

#

it bumps you to the top

vocal cave
#

are delves the fastest leveling now? or is it still dungeons?

wide charm
#

Hmm.... The thing is when I hit refresh I NEVER see that group again --- I guess it's possible a tank joins and they are full but that's ridiculously frequent

tribal wharf
#

old topics (groups) that are listed for a long time get buried

wide charm
#

I understand de and relisting, but the thing is I never see that group again

#

so like, if I refreshed and it was still there, obv that's what happened

#

but I'll refresh and it will be and will stay gone in future refreshes

tribal wharf
#

there will be no shortage of groups for you to join

wide charm
#

Well, actually, xd... I'm trying to do 11+ so

#

there kinda is

#

Also, if you hover over these groups you'll see a message
"This group has been delisted" and it goes grey, not red
with the things I'm talking about, I can click the red group --- apply to it, hit refresh, and the group stays.
But any time I don't apply before refreshing, group gone forever

cyan bronze
#

Run thyne own key

wide charm
#

I'm trying it with an 8-10 search right now and all addons disabled

cyan bronze
#

Easy way to avoid it

waxen frigate
tribal wharf
#

okay

#

well, i mean, its not uncommon to delist or relist

#

and i could imagine it would have been caused by someone doing that or running into issue that needs it to be done (red text)

graceful maple
#

yo does anyone know if we still run the lame ahh vers/crit embelishemnts?

tribal wharf
#

but, lots of times, im listing a key for like 5 minutes not getting any hits, and then i de list relist and get a person in 1 minute

proud dock
#

do the pools on last boss of Mists move based on displacement or total distance traveled?

waxen frigate
#

As in: each time the mechanic goes out and you dodge, the path you take will be the path of the new swirly next time

#

So you want to minimize total movement and cluster them

proud dock
#

ok, does that mean if i zigzag while its going out, the pool will also zizag or just go from start posistion to end position in a line

waxen frigate
#

I believe it will zigzag but honestly I’m not sure

proud dock
#

gotcha thanks

waxen frigate
#

That’s definitely terrorism though

#

Don’t do that

lavish onyx
#

Boys I'm liking prot more than veng

#

Reee

patent musk
#

haha getting accpeted to 9s and 602 ilevel with no embelishments

#

tanking is so fun

misty shuttle
twin hill
#

is there an explanation on talent choices somewhere? like is it reasonable to swap Impenetrable Wall for defenders aegis some times?

lusty grotto
lusty grotto
#

icy veins has explanations

#

so Mwahi has you covered there

#

i'm not sure if its something Nome can add to the Wowhead guide

tribal wharf
#

tldr i believe DA is something you mostly take in niche hard raid bosses

#

but then, other tanks can do those bosses better, so might not always be tanking it

lusty grotto
#

pretty much (the "niche" comment, idk about the other line)

plush tendon
#

the most recent example I can think of is 3rd boss in Temple of Jade

#

otherwise, just stick to Impen; its the ideal choice in 99% of circumstances for the vast majority of the playerbase

tribal wharf
#

that water boss was a good pug destroyer

plush tendon
#

water boss destroyed pugs... was still the easiest boss in there

#

3rd boss was a pretty hard tank/tank healer coordination check

#

and last was no joke

tribal wharf
#

im pretty sure the 2nd boss is weaker

#

generally

plush tendon
#

2nd boss had a lot of ramping damage

#

but you could brute force it

lusty grotto
#

2nd boss depended on healer getting the debuff

#

so their healing went up

plush tendon
#

you could also force one of the bosses to go immune

lusty grotto
#

even then only 3rd and 4th were the harder ones

plush tendon
#

made it take longer

#

but much easier

lusty grotto
#

of course

tribal wharf
#

pre nerf boss 3 siege was just the worst

#

would line up his timing of the line ability

#

with the wave

lusty grotto
#

for you

tribal wharf
#

learned a bit more since those days

lusty grotto
#

that line up isnt difficult to outplay

fringe iron
#

For Crafting and Embellishments, is the Starlight "Low Health Shield" not good enough or does it provide a low amount shield to make it not worth?

tribal wharf
#

well, i've more or less figured it out, but i never liked fighting that boss

#

didnt the line also used to place ice in its path

lusty grotto
#

in BFA yes

tribal wharf
#

so you were incentivized to tank near frame, so you would get 1 shot by wave appears

plush tendon
lusty grotto
#

yup

plush tendon
#

so prob not worth?

tribal wharf
#

thats how i remember it and why i rmember hating it

#

it was just a bitch to fight

lusty grotto
#

you just tanked him halfway

#

facing out

#

closer to the wall, but still halfway

tribal wharf
#

this is more or less what im trying to do every time

solid sun
#

Have y’all been handling zekvir as prot

#

Or should I just go arms or smth for him

wary path
#

i soloed tier 1 zekvir as tank

solid sun
#

Dps or healer brann

shut summit
#

dps brann, just save shit to kill eggs, cheese reflect in the aoe fear in p2

lusty grotto
#

hey sense, now that youre here

#

a correction to the sheet

shut summit
#

can message me anytime too

lusty grotto
#

decapitators should be flamerenders

#

its a small one

tribal wharf
#

i tried t9 as 604

#

got destroyed but made it

toxic pewter
#

which of these 2 defensive trinkets would you use

image.png
lusty grotto
#

weaver

solid sun
toxic pewter
#

ok yeah I think weaver better

shut summit
#

the egg

toxic pewter
#

actually has saved me in m+

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
#

weaver is by far and out the better one, its very strong

cyan bronze
#

If it’s not fixed yet then it’s dogassshit

solid sun
#

I had no idea you could just kill the eggs lol

plush tendon
#

weaver is really strong

#

wish we could get it on myth track

cyan bronze
#

Is it fixedchatting

dusky canopy
#

Wendy’s spicy buffalo nugs

#

Hitting the spot

cyan bronze
#

It wasn’t applying attack speed slow when @slim zinc tested it

plush tendon
#

I was gonna get take out tonight

#

thinking Thai food

lusty grotto
#

thai ftw

plush tendon
#

they got this Pork Belly dish that is straight fire

lusty grotto
#

but spicy buffalo nuggies sound good as well

cyan bronze
#

Spicy buffalo, Sahara desert, chai teadeadge

waxen frigate
plush tendon
#

I havnt tried ginger ale and thai food yet

#

ginger ale is a god tier drink for chinese

tardy gazelle
#

what to craft besides shield? weapon or some other armor piece?

plush tendon
#

wonder if its the same for thai

toxic pewter
waxen frigate
#

It’s ok

cyan bronze
#

It’s prob ok if you can chain it like brand

plush tendon
cyan bronze
#

It doesn’t have a cap from what I’ve seen

plush tendon
#

not a single trinket where Im like 'yo, this is awesome'

#

its more like 'press this, does damage.... cool?'

toxic pewter
#

yeah I have that feeling too sorta

cyan bronze
#

I like scarab lords

#

Simply cus

toxic pewter
#

what are the best curios to use for zekvir

plush tendon
#

especially after S4 where we had some goated tank trinkets

#

dreadplate, rageheart, all-totem

cyan bronze
lusty grotto
#

sikran is pretty solid

crisp grail
#

Is there any spell reflect WA that works properly? The Spell Reflect Essentials (TWW) also shows the reflect thing when I'm not being targeted

lusty grotto
#

and in line with dreadplates and co

toxic pewter
#

and i offered him gold

#

but he turned me down

lusty grotto
#

yeah its great for dps

cyan bronze
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what is the defensive side of sikran even give

lusty grotto
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parry

cyan bronze
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anything meaningful?

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isnt it like

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0 parry

lusty grotto
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does it matter?

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its not a tank specific trinket

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both swarmlord's and it have baby defensive bonuses, what matters is their damage, the defensive bonus is just a nice to have

deft matrix
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is the best thing to craft for prot warrior the weapon and then a wrist/waist embelly?

lusty grotto
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shield

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unless if you have mythic shield already

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then it would be sparks just taking a hole in your bags

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i suppose a naked weap might be good in that case if you dont have a mythic 1h

agile elbow
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Just delete them to solve that problem.

toxic pewter
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is swarmlord damage any good

lusty grotto
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its ok

toxic pewter
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ok

lusty grotto
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not huge

waxen frigate
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It’s really low

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Wait are you referring to scarab

toxic pewter
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yeah scarab trinket

normal kelp
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Is ovinax a good trinket ?

waxen frigate
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Yeah it does fuckall damage

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Less than 1% and it’s haste rather than mainstat

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Very strong defensively tho

toxic pewter
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I have a corrossive organ I think its not bad

tardy gazelle
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for Enchanted Runed Harbinger Crest craft, does it make sense to grab t3 quality mats? or it doesnt matter?

lusty grotto
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it doesnt matter

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for the crest craft

tardy gazelle
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ty

cyan bronze
tribal wharf
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fuck ya

chilly brook
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So are like healers just giga broken early on in leveling orrrr?

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Are people just not pressing buttons?

lusty grotto
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you know the answer to that

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😎

chilly brook
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So the later

lusty grotto
chilly brook
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It's literal pain when you're top dps as a healer

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gotta get an alt up for my irl friends monday night raid

tribal wharf
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healer issue is LOS, mana (skill issue) or not hitting buttons (major skill issue)

faint moss
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Swarmlord's Authority seems to be used a lot, is the defensive good?

tribal wharf
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if u los ur healer GG

lusty grotto
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no

tribal wharf
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u played ur self

faint moss
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on paper seems quite a nice dmg reduction

chilly brook
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Yogi

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you're misreading the chat

lusty grotto
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its fine for us, but its not massive

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there are better defensive trinkets

chilly brook
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This is the healer problem

lusty grotto
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yeah but

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youre a prevoker

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prevoker damage is currently the highest

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of all the healers

tribal wharf
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hpal has or had good ST dps burst

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good for kill adds boss key

raw gyro
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Guys what is a good creator to watch as a new tank?

graceful kite
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I have a weird feeling that sometimes dungeon scaling is breaking up

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Did back to back mists and on a specific run a specific pack just did 2x damage to me

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Had to use both potion and a healthstone

graceful kite
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Top tanks are doing unpuggable pulls

tardy gazelle
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i have shield with embelishment crafted, going to craft weapon now. does it make sense to not use any embelishment and next week craft another armor piece and put embelishment on it?

plush tendon