protection

[bleak breach]

We’re hoping for CE this tier but only raiding 2x a week 5hours total. Big turnover in the team in changeover so see how we go

[tribal glade]

surely spell block spellreflect

[fossil glade]

those are the only two to pop?

[bleak breach]

I spell block, reflect and def stance first then use my other cds on next

[fossil glade]

thank thank you ❤️ that worked great

[bleak breach]

Also, if you’re on heroic I’d recommend just staying in def stance for the fight. There’s a lot of damage going out, until your team has it worked out it’s the safest option.

[urban portal]

No reason to risk it yeah

And 3%damage from tank isn’t make or break a fight

[lusty grotto]

just use hekili

to learn a spec, except on prot or tanks

[urban portal]

Like I said

If world last guilds all installed hekili

They would not be world last

[lusty grotto]

facts

[urban portal]

Freestyling rotations

[lusty grotto]

no meme, i use it to learn specs its pretty solid

but i remove it once i get it down

last time i used it was to level my ehn shaman lol

but once i got hero talents, stormbringer is pretty easy

[tribal glade]

if all of them installed then wouldnt it balance out? xdd

[south zealot]

@lusty grotto im honorary tank

16m spider damage and lived to tell the tale

[lusty grotto]

[urban portal]

nah

the people who arent world last would be world last

and there are still people who deviate because they think they know better

[bleak breach]

I actually didn’t mind it on my Ele shaman in DF. Never played it so used it and pulled purple/orange parses in heroic when I had 4 set with 0 experience

Obviously drop it once you know how to play, but it’s definitely a good start.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

its great as a learning tool

[oak ivy]

oh christ's sake someone in my raid on nexus princess just asked "what is clockwise"

[lusty grotto]

that question is more common than you think

same as "what are cardinals?"

and the lesser known "what are intercardinals"

[bleak breach]

Everytime I do that boss people have a habit of launching their portals toward the tank portal rather than away from it

[scarlet stone]

Someone asked if we use true North or relative to the boss.

[swift urchin]

Language issues

English of the streets (just to play games)

'Odds evens' also a language barrier in pugs

[oak ivy]

it's guild raid though we all are native english speakers

[swift urchin]

DAAAYYYUUUMMM

[oak ivy]

and it's not even like the guy's a zoomer that's never seen an analog clock, he's older than I am (22)

[swift urchin]

Cant defend anymore

[oak ivy]

yeahp

[lofty warren]

YOOOOOOOOO momma

what loot spec should you open vault as?

[tribal wharf]

i gotta run the hell out of SV

haste cloak

[lofty warren]

FCK YOU

[waxen frigate]

same

[wanton adder]

Hey. In our group we sometimes have that good old bug when during a wipe someone releases early and is still tagged on the mob even from miles afar.
I remember it used to happen me a lot during Shadowlands as a Venthyr RSham because one covenant talent made me damage enemies 2s after my death so I had to wait extra before releasing.
In logs I see my warprot’s bleeds and weapon enchant still ticking after a death, might this be what’s causing the issue?

[jagged gust]

Sounds logical to me

[wanton adder]

It does sound logical but if it is indeed the reason why, I’m surprised I don’t see any people complaining over it in here when looking it up with search function

[chilly brook]

@waxen frigate 4 set is WILD

[balmy crescent]

I think I rather opt for 6% reduced magic damage over revenge dmg buff

[south zealot]

go for it

that talent is very insignificant as thane

as colossus you lose a pretty decent chunk of damage

[jagged gust]

It feels like they changed the animation time for Zekvir but not the actual cast time of his abilities

getting hit by his frontal before the cast even finishes

[tribal wharf]

my poor warrior key holder went through hell SV 4

kept dying to tons of everything

[fierce skiff]

I am having tankxiety about jumping into keys… i dont really know routes or the mythic mechanics…. People are just zerging stuff and i dont see all the mechanics. I did a grim batol mythic and it was horrible… i died to so much shit i never knew was a thing… is there a breakdown of these dungeons i can use for a cheat sheet?

[inner wren]

honestly so many dungeons u can hold w and just 1 or 2 pull on fort and clear just fine

only way to learn what mobs kick ur butt is to walk in

[toxic pewter]

if someone has a socket on their crafted belt does that mean they took a socket from the vault

i think so right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

which is fine

nome did it, iirc

[toxic pewter]

yah its actually making me kinda jealous lol

[lusty grotto]

if you had guaranteed tier, vault 1 was kind of a socket angle

[toxic pewter]

first vault I should of taken socket looking back

ya

[bleak breach]

Context?

[lusty grotto]

hes the brew

and their tier is pretty strong

[twilit burrow]

606 Oppressive/606 Sacbrood. Either worth replacing for 619 Swarmlord Authority?

[neon elk]

When using that main stat socket with crit efect , do is still go rest for haste/crit or try to boost that "meta" one ?

[lusty grotto]

[waxen orbit]

Mythic Dungeon Tools (MDT)

That’s your best friend

[twilit burrow]

Im not caring about dps.

[lusty grotto]

youre caring about secondaries

[waxen orbit]

Okay then what do you care about?

[lusty grotto]

so you ARE caring about DPS

secondaries are both damage and defensiveness

so you should sim

[waxen orbit]

^

Your damage is linked directly to your survivability

Are you asking about a niche situation?

A specific prog boss situation?

[twilit burrow]

H anub

Ansurak8

[waxen orbit]

Okay

And what is happening?

Are you dying?

The only reason you’d be running something that does not sim higher is because you are dying

If you’re not dying then what Nim said

[lusty grotto]

more importantly

[pine lotus]

Been playing warrior and guardian druid, warrior feels so damn sturdy, only thing I miss is dispel/roar/mark

[lusty grotto]

dying playing correctly

[waxen orbit]

Ya

Was gonna add that but was showering rq

Unless you’re on some world first type of shit, the rule of thumb as a tank is the Rule of Fuck-Ups

[chilly brook]

context is I'm pumping as a tank

[waxen orbit]

If you are dying and you have at least somewhat decent gear, it’s not the trinket’s fault.

Either you, or someone else on your raid team is fucking up. Typically a healer (that’s usually how it goes), or several DPS who are diverting the healers’ limited attention from healing you

[waxen orbit]

Wait hold up what’s considered high dam for tanks rn

Like, on overall

Not trying to compare I am legitimately just asking because I don’t have any frame of reference

[chilly brook]

like prolly 800k-1m

[south zealot]

1m+ is where ur starting to be a gamer

depending on egar

gear

[chilly brook]

But the only person I'm seeing doing 1m as a tank is Equinox

and he's not human

[south zealot]

i did 1.2 earlier today

[waxen orbit]

Okay dope I’m at ~1.1 mil highest end and 850k low end

I’m still 614 with a horrid trinket so the ceiling could afford to get higher

[chilly brook]

I need better gear

[waxen orbit]

Huge

[chilly brook]

I'm just now like 611

[waxen orbit]

Ya dude

I’ve been getting fucked brutally

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately my stats are garbage for brew

[waxen orbit]

By fear

[bleak breach]

What level key that from?

[chilly brook]

Since I'm a WW main I be stacking haste and Brew hates haste

[waxen orbit]

I only managed to crack past 610 yesterday because I only did 10s and an 11

And got very lucky

Btw Equinox is a mutant

Idk wtf that dude is doing on brew

[chilly brook]

a 9

[chilly brook]

he's a fucking chad

[bleak breach]

I do 800-1mil every key I do. I think 800ish is pretty standard for good tanks

[waxen orbit]

For nutty dam you go NW or Mists

I think

[waxen orbit]

For sure is

[bleak breach]

Any big pull is generally 1.2-1.5mil sustain

[waxen orbit]

Okay but

Hit all CDs

[chilly brook]

I've seen that man be at 4m sustain

[waxen orbit]

With smarmirak shard

[chilly brook]

in a big pack

it's wild

[waxen orbit]

And go 40% haste

And roll face on keyboard

2.5-3mil sustain on some packs

Okay frost DK tho

That shit

[bleak breach]

Breath build is nasty

[waxen orbit]

I had one do fucking 13mil sustain i am not fucking around

Didn’t do it on any other group in the pack

Was just a triple pull I set up

[boreal haven]

Is Thane tankier then Colossus ?

[waxen orbit]

Yes

Leagues

It practically plays itself

[boreal haven]

I only played Colossus cause of Dam. So Thane is recommended. What exactly makes it tankier ?

[waxen orbit]

The rage and the DR from hero talents

And your dam is going to be higher most often in keys

With the exception of ST

Colossus obviously trucks ST

[south zealot]

colossus does more damage than thane

literally always

[waxen orbit]

You legit will never be out of rage with MT

[waxen orbit]

I’ve not done colossus in M+ so like you might be right

[south zealot]

more rage makes you a lot tankier though in lots of different ways

[waxen orbit]

If you’re good you’re still gonna do really high dam on MT

Only difference is that you’re kind of invincible long as you’re constantly hitting your buttons

[boreal haven]

Okay i will swap into Thane then.

[lusty grotto]

AM resets, IP, and indom

those are the big 3

AM resets being the biggest, because having Wall on such a short cd is huge

[boreal haven]

You Guys making me excited.

[lusty grotto]

those being a result of rage use

which MT cycles way better than Colossus

thats the gist of it

[wide charm]

How do you guys feel about aug evokers?
IDK If I'm just getting unlucky or maybe I just don't understand what's going on when they are around
but every time, every key, it just feels like we have 2 dps.
Like, they aren't doing significantly more dps than normal or anything

I don't get it

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt invite augs unless you're pushing title

or beyond

[wide charm]

they feel HORRIBLE, like they are squishy AF and I feel like they just don't add anything in 10-11 area

[lusty grotto]

augs anything less than that will very likely not perform what they need to do which is provide defensiveness to the group

[neon elk]

Iv had that dilema yd, unless u dont have full squidh group in higher keys its realy better to go without aug..

[wide charm]

Are they suppose to die constantly?

Are they literally made of paper???

[lusty grotto]

no

thats not normal

thats just a bad aug

but again

[wide charm]

How is it I've just seen like 7/7 bad augs

jeeeez

[lusty grotto]

dont invite augs unless youre pushing title keys

[wide charm]

yeah these aren't my groups xD

[lusty grotto]

you dont need them, and you will do a diservice to the group

[neon elk]

Leave those groups then

[wide charm]

tbh I think I'm going to start --- the keys they are in are just a waste of time

[neon elk]

Its like doing above 10s without bl or cr , it is doable, but way harder for no reason..

[violet ginkgo]

so it's more suitable for raid?

[south zealot]

theyre clsoe in raid

but yeah colossus a bit mroe damage

[tribal wharf]

im gettin there

[soft tusk]

should I just get a 2h 636?

so I get 636 1h and shield access?

[drifting dagger]

how does that work prom?

[soft tusk]

if u have a 2h that is 636.. u can upgrade for free ur 1h and shield to 636

[neon elk]

That could work, but you would first need to have acces to myth track wep and shield

[soft tusk]

1st boss and 3rd boss

I just need 3rd boss to drop it lol

[neon elk]

Yea if u mythic raid chances are quite good

But still rng is rng and it can be weeks till it drops or shows in vault

[soft tusk]

exactly

which is why I am so hesitant

[neon elk]

Also 2h is 2 sparks so less craft ( which is gated by crests anyway mostly )

[soft tusk]

oh what

it's 2 sparks?! nvm

[neon elk]

Yea 2h should be 2 sparks , unless they changed it but i doubt that

[waxen orbit]

I think you should put on a tabard

I see what you’re going for

[soft tusk]

We are supposed to have 3 sparks right?

[neon elk]

Y

[lusty grotto]

it works

not could

its the way ive been upgrading my shit since DF s3

[neon elk]

I meant it like , it could work as a good strat

But it can turn out to be useles ( unless u have use for the 2h) when u dont even drop that 1h+shield anytime soon

[lusty grotto]

ig

its excellent for me and whoever dual specs though

if they only play prot, its kind of a waste

[neon elk]

But i guess its good for myth raiders , lot of people offspec there as dps

[royal egret]

How do you guys mitigate obsidian beam on first boss in dawnbreaker? I'm having hard time on +11

[lusty grotto]

spell block

same way we mitigate every single tank buster this season

you spell block, if its not up and on cd, you wall

you do the same exact thing on all CoT bosses

[urban bane]

man, colossus really is juiced for these ez 9/10 farms

[bleak breach]

Easy lol

Ease up

[fierce prism]

Wait

[sick current]

hey my friends

[fierce prism]

Prot warriors wanna be in battle stance unless survivability is an issue?!

[sick current]

new warrior, just rerolled from druid (2200 raider.io druid) but I just feel like warrior is calling me

i am gearing up as we speak, I just did the 619 to kill a queen quest, what should I use that on? a weapon or something else?

[fierce prism]

Shield or trinkets

[sick current]

okay ill do shield

[queen hemlock]

Ive read about embelismrnt etc etc
But I kinda play all 3 specs
Is crit embellished x2 good for all?

[neon elk]

U can also SR every cast if u arent using it on bolts

[sick current]

and am I seeing this right? i want haste/vers or haste/crit if I can choose? (for my missives) im looking on murlok.io

[lusty grotto]

correct

[fierce prism]

That’s crazy

[lusty grotto]

shield or low stat pieces like bracer/belts, not trinkets

[fierce prism]

How long has that been a thing for

[lusty grotto]

since stances were re-introduced

[urban bane]

since stances came back

[lusty grotto]

so DF

[fierce prism]

Okay… I always thought def stance created aggro

[lusty grotto]

no

dps creates agro

[fierce prism]

How much more dmg output is being in battle stance 😔

[queen hemlock]

Would i ever stance change in m+??

[lusty grotto]

yes

[queen hemlock]

Wtf ok

[lusty grotto]

just like in DF

you anticipate big damage, or rot damage you swap to dstance

[sick current]

ill do shield for sure

[lusty grotto]

no damage = be in battle stance

[fierce prism]

Burst, b stance

[queen hemlock]

Any examples ?

[fierce prism]

Burst window over

D stance

[lusty grotto]

whenever you have a bleed or dot on you thats not getting dispelled and you cant outgear the ticks

that's a d stance angle

huge pulls on a key level youre not used to? d stance angle

thats about it

[fierce prism]

Is the difference astronomical dmg wise?

Like your dmg output

How much more rage is b stance netting us

[lusty grotto]

same rage

hard to say the output, it depends on your gear level

[sick current]

in a high key, i would assume youre always going to be taking a lot of dmg so you stick to dstance right?

[lusty grotto]

not necessarily

and "high key" is relative

[sick current]

well high key to me is a +11 with 612 itemlevel

grim batol kek

[lusty grotto]

can you outplay it?

[sick current]

i guess idk im new i will learn/watch but thats good to know that I have to stance switch

[lusty grotto]

can you reflect it? can you spell block it? can you soothe it? can you kick it? do you outgear it?

if the answer to that is yes

you will be in battle stance

the best way to learn is to note what is hurting you and adjusting or checking with Sense's sheet on how to outplay it

sense's sheet being the big ole link in #protection-faq

[bright oxide]

Have u guys had a bug in grimbatol when drakes stay in nets and nothing happens?

[lusty grotto]

used to be a thing in cata (the original one, idk about classic)

i havent had it happen to me in TWW's version

[bright oxide]

Happened yesterday

[lusty grotto]

so its entirely possible

hard to say what causes it

[sick current]

thanks super helpful

if anyone is bored id LOVE for them to help me out

i have a gold and lots of options but any guidance would be insanely helpful as I just made this guy earlier today and trying to gear him as much as i can with what i have

[fierce prism]

Lots of gold?

Mr Bezos?

[sick current]

Yeah to craft everything

hahahahhaa i wish

[fierce prism]

Oh

[sick current]

i wish NOT

[fierce prism]

I thought to pay us

[sick current]

sorry not that rich

this is my setup atm and here is what I have

https://i.imgur.com/F1EaEGC.png

[neon elk]

I could use some gold ngl, crafts are crazy expensive

[sick current]

I will be getting the 619 shield from the to kill a queen quest,
I have 2400 blood stones
9 of those pvp things to craft 610 items
2 sparks

[royal egret]

@lusty grotto @neon elk Thanks for the info

[sick current]

ahh bloodstones give 593 veteran gear

i thought they gave 603 for some reason

with my 9 pvp things for 610 gear, should I just get 2x rings + neck?

these guys

https://i.imgur.com/xiQSari.png

[south zealot]

1.3 pogchampion

[nocturne kernel]

After some adv. want to craft a waist, currently have haste/verse wrists but moving to hero crit/haste, waste is curently crit/hate and not sure what stats for waist, currently 26% crit, 23.8% haste, 16.3% mast and 8.7% vers looking at higher prot wars there mastery is all higher do i need to worry about mastery? or just let it come passively?

[sick current]

crit/haste is bis zoli? should i be putting that on my rings/neck?

[south zealot]

haste crit

[neon elk]

Top wars use whatever highest ilvl they have , and a lot of them also multispec

[nocturne kernel]

ahh ok ty, il go crit haste appreciate it

[waxen cradle]

I have heard it all now fellas was doing a heroic Palace run with guild and that same Warrior tank in guild from last week told me I was dipping too hard on the tank combo/swap when I took Phase Lunge and stressing the healers out and that my damage does not matter

That I should stay in defensive stance

That my damage does not matter

[pallid quiver]

i mean you could also just press defensive stance for just the combo if you wanted, too

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

the lowest i've ever dropped from any part of the tank combo was death from no tank swap technically, but when doing mechs properly on my prot pala because i'm not used to mitigating on is as well as warrior

[waxen cradle]

Exactly which is what I was doing

I would swap and swap back and he was trying to hard convince me my damage did not matter

[lusty grotto]

unfortunately

sometimes you have to compromise

if you dont agree with it, i would start shopping around for a new guild

[waxen cradle]

right

[lusty grotto]

it feels bad, but

its just the way of things

kinda wild though, thats heroic

[harsh ermine]

I dont think it is worth to ever swap to battle stance. 3%crit? Nah

[lusty grotto]

thats your opinion

[waxen cradle]

I feel the 3% crit is completely worthwhile

[harsh ermine]

What will that be, 2000 dps over the fight?

[waxen cradle]

but again thats my style

[merry sluice]

Okay

well

the zekvir changes made him soloable on ?? agian at least

[lusty grotto]

if you feel that way, theres no need for you to share it honestly, we're not here to validate it somehow

[merry sluice]

im dead inside

[sick current]

hey which 619 shield should I craft btw?

[lusty grotto]

defender

read the guides

it has all the info you will need

[sick current]

okay going to guides now

ty

[urban portal]

If you are dipping too hard then consider just sitting in defensive stance

[harsh ermine]

Sure, go for it if you want to.
Giving someone advice to do it, is a different thing 🙂
If you forget to swap back on tank mechanics, its just not worth it.

Even if you survive:)

[urban portal]

Eventually you’ll get the feel for the fight and get cds right and go battle later

[lusty grotto]

that has been our advice since DF

if you like it or not

or whether

[waxen cradle]

I am not dipping below 50% though thats the thing which is why I just dont see the guys point of view but that is his opinion

[high wyvern]

has anyone here done zekvir ??, post brann nerf, can u show me how i dont have enough DPS to kill the eggs

[lusty grotto]

its not an opinion

like yours

[urban portal]

At least swap in for tank mechs

[lusty grotto]

theres 0 point to sitting in Dstance out of dangerous scenarios

[harsh ermine]

Then it is not good adivce. People are not experts. For the mythic raider or 3000 rio tank it might be feasible.

People should learn fights and when they are on farm mode, sure go wild.
Before I would never do it.

[lusty grotto]

if you want to do it, its your sub

you're moving the goalpost

[waxen cradle]

My thing is he called me out in the middle of discord in raid also and said we need to talk, and then whispered me and said I was stressing healers out and should just stay in DStance as my damage does not matter

[pallid quiver]

but like

if you're already planning on pressing def CDs, it's the same thing to press def stance when pressing those; you're still pressing buttons at the designated time. if you're not pressing buttons at the designated time, the issue isn't stay in d stance at all times, it's press your buttons

Raid tanking is very easy most of the time

[queen hemlock]

Do you have a macroed skilled with such a thing
Or you have a stance swap button

[waxen cradle]

That is why I feel the way I do

[harsh ermine]

I've not even bound def & battle stance, as in m+ I can never go out of it (9+ & higher)
For raids, it makes really no differnence

[lusty grotto]

I assure you Dkreven is not "learning the fight" and hes certainly not new

[neon elk]

Doable with war also?

[lusty grotto]

so i know exactly who im addressing

[queen hemlock]

Man not that i dont want to midmax but feels like pain when i have to keep swapping stance
I assume you have dstance with taunt?

[pallid quiver]

Sense posted a video like an hour ago if I saw it correctly on youtube when I booted it up

I haven't checked it at all

[harsh ermine]

Fair

[pallid quiver]

I have its own dedicated bind for me to press; I think about incoming damage intake a lot, so I just end up kind of pressing it as needed

[waxen cradle]

I have a quick swap macro for DStance anyway so, I guess I dont see how setting in defensive stance 100% of the time is practical. In dangerous situations yes... all the time no

[harsh ermine]

Just general, I dont see the problem here. If they have an issue with you not being in def stance, then go and lose some meaningless dps (for the raid as a whole)

That its less fun for you, is something you need to decide.

[neon elk]

Ill check on that, ty

[heady pivot]

U dont need swap out def stace in this expansion

[lusty grotto]

alright im going to bed Luerce

[pallid quiver]

You also don't need to press your buttons to clear the content

[queen hemlock]

Madlad
U more button still good player

[lusty grotto]

have fun 🙂

Jakey will be on soon

[pallid quiver]

honestly i was probably just gonna let it rock

[lusty grotto]

or is on already

[heady pivot]

3% crit is nothig

Btw

[lusty grotto]

heard

[pallid quiver]

In raid, the DR from Def Stance is nothing like 90% of the time

[queen hemlock]

Its like saying a gem is nothing lmao

[pallid quiver]

Literally nothing, unlike the crit. Any damage coming on tanks is predictable and can be planned for

[merry sluice]

maaaybe. ill probably try at some point but it was a SLOG on dk, so im not motivated to walk back into that place ever again xD

i will say

the cocoons can definitely be solo killed by tank now

and his melee swings fuck a lot less

it was scuffed, i went meathook + sikrans and used them to help burst each egg alternating between them
and even popped drums for one lmfao

but its def doable

[harsh ermine]

For some players it may be fun to get everything they can out of it.
That is a fair point.
Maybe less fun if they dont do it.

For the raid itself, it is totally meaningless if the tank has 3% more crit.

So it doesnt matter if you are in def stance the whole fight.
You may even reduce some aoe dmg and have 1 button less to bind and use properly.

(Not like its you have too many, but yeah)

[merry sluice]

tbh so much movement required I think it might be better on warrior bc there were many times i just lost SO MUCH up time on the add

[heady pivot]

Elfs got some room for errors in zekvir??

[merry sluice]

hmm?

ik before the most recent hotfix nelfs were melding adds

idk if it sitll works

my dk is a draenei

[queen hemlock]

Em
I would just ask this
Im not exactly a great player so i live of how others state the game is
Wouldnt me taking less damage allow the healer to deal more damage?
Or its the case where you really wont take much damage
Bstance and both you and healer can dps without worries say in a big pull

[real wraith]

Do you guys stance swap in 9+ keys as well ? Or is it mostly a raid thing ?

[pallid quiver]

You're wasting things like healing rain, rejuv, etc by going out of your way to reduce pulsing aoe on yourself, since it's not going to really affect you as a tank; I'll say that the crit isn't going to revolutionize your damage, but like, it's better to think about incoming damage instead of doing your best to not think about it

it's literally the main job of a tank is to mitigate damage, so it's best to try and think about it instead of closing your eyes and going "yeah but i reduce damage"

The reason I always recommend battle stance as a default is because it gets people thinking about where damage is coming from and what it is. That's your main objective as a tank is to properly mitigate and handle damage so you don't die and waste team resources

[pallid quiver]

If you can afford to be in battle, be in battle. A good rule of thumb for M+ is Def for Trash and Battle for bosses, but you'll want to know what hurts you specifically

[queen hemlock]

Oh ah oke

[heady pivot]

No stance swap no need that shit. Its only can ruin our run in m+

[pallid quiver]

Damage in M+ is highest on the tank on trash, and you don't need to worry about it dropping your aggro gen at the start of pulls so much anymore

[real wraith]

Aight, most of the top warriors I see on warcraftlogs sit in dstance 100%, but I'll give it a run 🙂

[pallid quiver]

Meanwhile, bosses either do literally entirely trivial damage to tank (holy shit, I'm being punched by one add and not even the boss on things like 1st boss Boralus) or have time frames where they indicated You Take Damage Now, mitigate (2nd Boss Grim Batol swords)

[heady pivot]

Yep 3% crit is nothing

[pallid quiver]

I don't even know if the best skilled warriors are pushing atm; I think most are just casual farming 10s for gear or pushing M raid

[orchid gulch]

There's a difference between the keys the top runs and the keys the general population runs. Looking at the top is not always the best source of information.

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, I don't even know how you check that the highest IO prot wars are in D Stance 100% of the time, since most of them don't log

[orchid gulch]

Also, I wholeheartedly support battle stance as default as it indeed brings you to think where damage is coming from, what to prioritise and which CD to use and when to use them. It's great to learn the pressure points in a dungeon, especially when starting out.

[real wraith]

I checked those that log (I admit it's not many)

(but it's the only data I have)

[harsh ermine]

Well, whats the benefit? I more dmg when I am in battle stance? That helps me to see what?
In m+ things can be very chaotic, especially in pugs, that its just not worth the hassle
Every damage you reduce, helps the team as a whole.

My job as a tank is to take as little damage as I can, not do to a small, very tiny bit more damage and potentially take some risks for it.

Apart from the top 1% players, I would never recommend battle stance to anyone. Especially not new players.

[pallid quiver]

Consider the following. You take 100 damage. You get healed over time for 20 health from a ground heal you're standing in.

You use D Stance this time. You take 85 damage. You get healed over time for 20 health from a ground heal you're standing in.

You've done literally nothing other than do less damage because you chose not to think about how to use your resources

[real wraith]

If I understand it correctly, it's a balance between the cost of stance swapping in attention span (and the extra keybind) vs the damage increase

[tender reef]

Morning, are there different routes when the mobs are buffed ?
I ran some 5/4er yesterday and even half the normal pulls kept wiping us ?

[pallid quiver]

Will you still clear? Yeah, most likely
Will it dramatically matter? Yeah, most likely.
Is it better to be in Def Stance when you need it than accidentally in Battle when you shouldn't? Yes

Is it hard to press one button on your keyboard before something that either you have the initiative to start in terms of M+ or when something that has a timer bar on your screen pops up?
hopefully it's not

[harsh ermine]

And especially in m+ taking more dmg you did not plan for, for barely any benefit(3%crit)

[south zealot]

it makes you better to learn how to tank in battle stance

but its not a big deal at all really

[harsh ermine]

How?

[orchid gulch]

You learn when and where damage is coming from and how to react accordingly. Most of our defensives are proactive, so popping shield wall after the fact is kinda a moot point.

You could learn that before it oneshots you in a high key.

You absolutely can sit in dstance 24/7 if you want. It's a you thing.

[real wraith]

Eh, it's one extra thing. Cost is not high I agree, benefit is not high either. Idk.

[pallid quiver]

Fort week generally outs people for not knowing what mobs do, so the drip off damage actually can murder people earlier than it would usually. With how count works in current dungeons, it's not going to affect routes much

[south zealot]

using d stance as a defensive gives you a bonus defensive cooldown

where if youre always in dstance its not a cooldownf or you its the baseline

if that makes sense

[pallid quiver]

You still need to pull most of the mobs in the dungeon, and the scary mobs are scary, fort or not

[south zealot]

if you can live in battle stance youre tankier when you decide to go into dstance

[tender reef]

Yeah I checked the routes but it was horrid

[harsh ermine]

I dont see it.
Would you run perma shield wall instead of only having it for a short period?
Yes, you would

[pallid quiver]

The other problem you're going to run into is that most skilled players are only running 9s at the minimum

[harsh ermine]

So why not run perma def stance, if the benefit is honestly just not there?

[tender reef]

True I tried to play with friends which was the mistake I guess

I also didn't wanna play so low

But then we kept wiping lol

[pallid quiver]

So you have people who a mix of:

• Refuse to learn that trash is scary because "it's just trash bro"
• Can't recognize casts are coming out or can't handle their kits, since pressing one button is a sticking point for a ton of the player base
• Refuse to use defensives unless specifically told by an addon
• Can't deal enough damage due to unfamiliarity with a spec
• Think it's a Tank/Healer issue to handle enemy casts and refusing to acknowledge that most damage intake in M+ is avoidable

People will do their absolute best to refuse anything that could imply they could improve, since that ravishes the average mid-tier M+ player's self worth

[tender reef]

Truuuuu

[earnest cove]

Great summary

[tender reef]

So real

[pallid quiver]

As a side note, I wish that they'd add an in-game way to check trash abilities in M+ without addons in-game so that people may hopefully start to rethink the first point

[tender reef]

The healer was half sleeping, I was fighting 20 sec without heal, then we die.

Healer: is this a bot group?

Bro without DBM you don't go mythic

Like what the fak

[pallid quiver]

also, the non-zero amount of healers in lower to mid level keys pulling dragonflight levels of healing in high healing required spots is interesting

[tender reef]

"I want to real wow experience" PLAY HEROS U FOOL

[pallid quiver]

I don't have DBM and I do M+ just fine

I have the dungeon wa suite and little wigs tho, but I could probably manage without tbh

[orchid gulch]

DBM or no, most people will just ignore it. Like they're allergic to using defensives.

[pallid quiver]

^^^

Even worse if they don't understand the DBM alert

[tender reef]

Or interrupts OR TO STOP STAND IN ONE SPOT AND CLICK THROUGH ROTA

[pallid quiver]

I've been in voice with people and they just freeze and do literally nothing trying to process it

[tender reef]

Like brooo

Why are you even here

[pallid quiver]

dbm can actually be a downside in those situations, since it'd be better to at least press a defensive than do nothing

[tender reef]

Just dont

"defensive" oh let's blast some dmg cds

I'm dead it's the tanks fault

[pallid quiver]

On an actual note, I don't even care if people click their abilities or not if they're performing in the expectations of the group's play mentality

I generally just wanna press buttons, so I don't even care if the DPS get clapped like that as long as they don't mind me just keeping pressing buttons

[tender reef]

Or guy pulls wipes leaves. Lol

Bruv I got so mad yesterday, almost flamed my team mates

Whole evening ruined

I'm still madge

https://tenor.com/view/ree-pepe-triggered-angry-ahhhh-gif-13627544

I couldn't even try and use it as training because I was so busy looking for everybody else

Pissed me off

Double

[pallid quiver]

If you ever feel like that point, I would just stop playing the game. There's no need to get worked like that over WoW; who cares what they're doing in the end

[orchid gulch]

TBH the greatest filter I've seen in the current dungeon pool are the elementals on the 3rd boss in Grim Batol.

People are still touching the forbidden oranges and blowing up the group.

[pallid quiver]

Funny enough, I haven't seen that other than people trying to do funny stuff like dbts the add

[merry sluice]

will say for ?? zekvir, if you entre the delve on low hp, or pull zekvir, take dmg, thenr un out the boss room and reset him

brann will spawn his campfire, so you can cheese having the 5% str boost for each pull

[tender reef]

You guys can pull of those pulls ?

This week

[teal laurel]

Random question, do people actually care that much about the tank's DPS in most raid environments? I'm trying to figure out what kind of DPS I should in theory be able to pull off on heroic ansurek

[tender reef]

No most dont

Most don't care you exist

You should care

[teal laurel]

lul

[tender reef]

And for heroic ansurek your raidlead probably cares

[merry sluice]

i mean 'yes' but you also dont really even have to do pull 1 that big

[orchid gulch]

It's been an issue in my groups the first week, and they still feign dead/vanish/etc so the add turns around and explodes all over the healer.

Because it it doesn't target me it's not a.mn iddue anymore, right?

[merry sluice]

i split pull 1 into two pulls

[tender reef]

But 2 and 6 you so like that?

[merry sluice]

and still timed on a +10 just fine with ample time left
and suspect it to work at least a key higher or 2

[teal laurel]

We went into it and wiped for like 2 hours straight lol. I'm just trying to min/max my personal DPS contribution and I'm not 100% certain what kind of DPS a prot war should be putting out in a fight like that, with 612 ilvl ballpark

[tender reef]

Mechanics > your dps

Position better

Get adds faster

[orchid gulch]

I don't usually pull that big since I fully expect that people will start blasting the first thing they see, pull aggro and die.

Maybe in a coordinated group, but not in a PUG.

[tender reef]

All's more important that your 20k dps

[teal laurel]

The mechanics were easy me and my cotank handled it np but dps is our clear issue so I was trying to contribute there if possible lol

Intermission was a challenge

[tender reef]

So ifnyoubknow DPS Is the issue why ask if you should do more DPS, it's on the DPS players lol

I don't really believe it but

[merry sluice]

sorta, the 2nd miniboss area i adjust just exactly how i pull based on if the comp is ranged or not

[pallid quiver]

The faster, cleaner, and more efficient you do mechs, the better your DPS can do, making a greater contribution overall. That being said, you can help out on the DPS side, but your DPS is also optimized by optimizing your own survival

[merry sluice]

if the comp's melee, then its sketch pulling the engorged cralwer sonot the miniboss bc they might get knocked off

if the comp's ranged i fucking send it

[tender reef]

Thanks cherry

[teal laurel]

Well outside of the "oopsies" on the green grenade triggers lol. What's not to believe? Taunt swapping and moving the boss 20 yards isn't exactly wildin

[pallid quiver]

You can get a ballpark of what you can do with your gear by doing a quick sim on raidbots

[wise zealot]

Just a couple questions:

Bullet 8: Is this intentional? Do I just not use Thunder Blast in ST and instead refer to it on priotiy 12 to cast T Blast?

Bullet 13: Casting revenge in "aoe" for Deep Wounds, is there a number where this actually increases in priority? Do we have any idea what "AoE" means? Is it just 2+ targets? (this is weird because point 8 makes a distinction, until it doesn't)

Finally, the bolded and underlined statement says there's no difference in rotation in AoE or ST, what does that actually mean with the context of the above?

or should I just ignore all of this and look at the APL directly?

[merry sluice]

engorged crawlers put a dot on players

[pallid quiver]

There's no second rotation priority that's different for AOE.

On bullet 8, it specifies specifically Thunder Blast there because Thunder Blast is prio if you have access to it in AOE so you don't lose out on casts. It's higher value than base thunder clap. In ST, you would use it when TC comes up in prio because it's the same button

[orchid gulch]

This is correct.

You thunder blast in AOE, else shield slam takes priority.

[wise zealot]

sure - so in ST, it would be just defaulted to bullet 12 in the prio list. Just wanted to clarify

[pallid quiver]

AOE starts at 2+ targets, but it should also be noted that the only reason the deep wounds section is there is to make it higher prio than only spamming execute on 2 or 3 targets

[wise zealot]

That also makes sense, thank you

Finally, I couldn't find any exact information to clarify execute useage. Outside of pooling for large inc damage (like Ice Shard in NW) am I sending Execute at 40 rage?>

[merry sluice]

the engorged crawlers also put out poisons. so if your group lacks poison dispels, you may wanna be careful pulling a bunch

but thankfully restoshamans are a dime a dozen

[orchid gulch]

Execute scales linearly. Rage doesn't matter. You send it.

[pallid quiver]

There is some minor optimization you can do with not instantly sending Blast on 2 targets, since it's only a loss to not prio sending it if you are capped on 2 charges, and you can fish to get outburst to land on Blast instead of SS in AOE, but that prio is meant to be the basic idea without minor nitpicks like that

[frozen aurora]

what shall i craft 632?

[wise zealot]

Perfect - thank you

[tender reef]

I normally just run away when they make the green aura ? 😅

[pallid quiver]

The only consideration for Execute is that you don't want to rage starve yourself; you always want to be pressing something every global

[wise zealot]

I figured this was the case and am already building it into my WA logic, but didn't want to get into it here. Thank you for answering that in advanced

[pallid quiver]

So if you're at exactly 40 rage, it might be better to send 2 revenges if you don't have a thunder clap coming off CD

[merry sluice]

yeah usually how i do it is i pull up to the web bridge, get them low enough till they're about to explode, then slow them and run off and do the res tof the pull

if that makes sense

[orchid gulch]

Not having anything off CD is a fairly fringe case though, with all the resets we get currently.

[merry sluice]

once the greena ura comes you and your group can just 'leave them' bc they'll die after the cast ends regardles sof remaining hp.

[tender reef]

Oh didn't know that, so I did it right anyway 😂

Can you spell block those explosions ?

[pallid quiver]

It'll still pop up, and it's of note if you opt to play Colossus, as well

[frozen aurora]

guys i wanna know what i should craft

[pallid quiver]

depends

End game overall goal bis with all max ilvl items are a belt and wrists

With thread embels

If you don't have access to a higher ilvl shield, shields are a good craft, same with weapon

[orchid gulch]

Colossus generally has more rage issues and requires more planning ahead, I concur, and it's definitely worth mentioning.

[tender reef]

I think collosuss is easier to play :x

[orchid gulch]

Still a fringe case on Thane though.

[tender reef]

Demolition Cam fk u up hard when u press wrong moment though

And when u don't u lose dps

Xd

[orchid gulch]

They both come with downsides. Colossus needs planning ahead, and Thane will give you carpal tunnel.

[tender reef]

I changed to collos, I enjoy it more

[orchid gulch]

I play colossus in raid to meme on the DPS and Thane in keys, to meme on the DPS as well.

👍

[tender reef]

My DPS as thane was horris

Horrid

[orchid gulch]

In ST, sure. In AOE with about 2m bursts it's kinda neat.

[tender reef]

Na Overall for whole dungeon

I okayed it bad too 100%

Played*

[orchid gulch]

Dunno where the average of good players is, but depending on group and route I usually sit between 600 to 900k on average.

[tender reef]

Yeah I was at like 300

[orchid gulch]

Yeah, that's a bit low.

[sharp epoch]

Good to know I’m not alone. My hand hurts

[tender reef]

Yesterday I fucked up keys so I gotta try this weekend but I think about 600

Noe

Can't find my logs from yesterday I think I need to upload them first qq

[orchid gulch]

For the most part it's just more thunder blasts in AOE for Thane and you'll have a stupidly high burst.

[tender reef]

Yeah and more revenge for collo

I also like the more stuns since it helps a lot in pugs 😅😅

[stuck basin]

we dont stop going for hast after first dr or do we?

[tender reef]

Dr?

[stuck basin]

diminishing return

[neon elk]

Doctor

[tender reef]

All stats are about 80% same, haste just helps with smooth gameplay

Higher I lvl is best

[neon elk]

Stats arent same for all, thats why u use sims , my haste and crit sims twice as much as mastery for example..

[orchid gulch]

No. We get more haste, we can't reach any important breakpoint yet.

That being said, we don't have bad stats, haste just smooths gameplay and crit sims second best for DPS. They're all very close though.

[neon elk]

All stats are good, but they arent equal at all times

[orchid gulch]

Also, of you want to know more accurate recommendations, there is always the option to .

[stuck basin]

y sim will tell me to socket/enchant krit

[orchid gulch]

Yeah, because crit is good for DPS and might outpace haste at some point.

Versatility is good for unblockable damage like frequent spells. Mastery is good for melee hits and big IPs due to the extra AP it provides.

Hence, the more stats, the betterer, so ilvl is king, then haste > crit/versa > mastery.

[stuck basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hpKhrkgwVZHBa6QasHRMMx

[orchid gulch]

Sounds reasonable on ST.

[stuck basin]

it want me to socket krit/vers in the crafted ring^^

[orchid gulch]

Sure.

[strong forum]

I strongly urge you to talent into 3% leech

[merry sluice]

uhh haven't actually tried tbh

[strong forum]

Either get rid of intim Shout or cruel strikes

And pick up the 3% leech node

[orchid gulch]

The less of a stat you have, the more you get out of it as your other stats will be affected by DR.

Would get rid of shout if the extra CC isn't specifically needed.

[stuck basin]

leech feels so week i rather have an extra stop for m+

[strong forum]

Hence the "get rid of cruel strikes"

Or am I invisible rn

[orchid gulch]

Leech is pretty solid currently.

[strong forum]

Leech is one of the reason why you're not permanently dying

The 2 leech talents + indomitable is why we don't lose hp

[south zealot]

leech is bad ive heard it all

frothing berserker can be untalented too

as thane

oh you dont have pain

nvm

[strong forum]

And how are you gonna get to rally

Cuz pain and gain is a bigass lamo node

[south zealot]

common choco L cant even see

[south zealot]

because it’s the best for damage

[civic pier]

should i prefer 2p / 4p bonus (with champion level gear) over hero level gear?

[gritty eagle]

@civic pier y, keep in mind you can upgrade the champion level gear ot the same ilvl as the hero track gear without spending crests until you get tier hero track

[civic pier]

ty, didnt think about that aspect, great tip 🙂

[jagged gust]

It's not only DR, but how multiplicative stats scale

Like say two separate stats contributed to increasing your damage by 20%, it'd be worth more than stacking a single stat to 30% and another to 10, you'd lose out on ~2.5% damage

[strong forum]

Nah

Ultimately you can just sim it

But our tierset is incredibly weak

[orchid gulch]

Yes, though the 'diet' explanation is DR, without the required maths.

[jagged gust]

Well I suppose that is the more universal definition of DR in the first place lol

But y'know, when you say DR caps always jump to mind first

[sour flint]

what missive you guys use for you crafted gear? seems i should take haste/crit from what i hear but look on raider.io some the best warrior take other stats

[strong forum]

It's so funny that the only thing regarding those things existing, is 1 bluepost from 6 years ago

And no mention of it anywhere else in the game or otherwise from blizz

[strong forum]

I'm using fireflash

[orchid gulch]

Sure they do. Not saying my nothing burger with diet coke is a perfect explanation anyhow.

[strong forum]

Just because they're high rated doesn't mean theyre the best or smartest, important emphasis

[vivid orchid]

so it turns out you can, if lucky, spell reflect this. if you do no ground swirls spawn for that volley for anyone

[sour flint]

true haha, thank you! i go this aswell then!

[lofty veldt]

Friendly friends! Is there a way to identify magic damage taken?

[orchid gulch]

Logs.

[lofty veldt]

Noted with many thanks 🤝

[strong forum]

Friendly friends with many thanks!

[orchid gulch]

You can also sift through your combat log in game, but that'd take a few hours or so and won't be complete.

[lofty veldt]

WCL is blocked where I am currently

Very unlucky gamer

[strong forum]

You can also manually go through details and check dmg taken by spell

[lofty veldt]

Oh!

Okay

I should learn how to utilize that then

[strong forum]

I myself additionally display dmg intake with a floating combat text addon, and the dmg I take is coloured in the dmg school

[lofty veldt]

Oh shit

Which addon you use

[strong forum]

So I can high-life see what kind of dmg I'm taking, if it's magic or physical and if it's blockable or not

I use a 99% stripped down version of parrot2

[lofty veldt]

I came from ff14 and damage type was color coded in the floating text

Thanks Mr guide maker

[strong forum]

Heavily recommend stuff like that to quickly identify the dmg source and blockabilty

Most people hide all dmg numbers these days and I think that's super troll

[lofty veldt]

I like seeing numbers

[orchid gulch]

Just out of interest at this point, do you want to identify it in combat before you tsue it or just as some kind of general knowledge?

[lofty veldt]

I think both are useful!

At first I wanted it as general knowledge

I want to be a better gamer

I’ve been thinking of trying to make my own weak aura but idk what’s the learning curve on the doing that

0 ex🅱️erience

[orchid gulch]

For general knowledge I'd still recommend logs so you can look through it in peace and on your own time. Might be useful to take your time looking at it in detail after a key.

It also doesn't get reset or overwritten by accident ... usually.

[lofty veldt]

Is wowanalyzer good to use as well or is it iffy?

[strong forum]

Is currently not maintained for pwar

AFAIK

[orchid gulch]

It ... should be fine, depending on their current implementation of the APL used.

Don't know the state, but back when I checked it out it wasn't maintained.

However, not much changed for us, so you could take a look, but I'd take everything with a massive grain of salt.

[lofty veldt]

Noted with 13 thanks

Hopefully I’ll run a key later have a log up and try to see if I can learn something

I might record it too

this gamer needs all the help he can get

[orchid gulch]

In general, we will have to learn when and where in keys which kind of damage is coming in as most of our defensives are proactive. No point in popping shield wall after getting whacked with the big bad spell.

[deft hinge]

if u got second wind and reflect a spell, does that count as taking damage?

[orchid gulch]

No, as you dont take damage.

[lofty veldt]

Okay I have another silly question

Do you guys use impending victory on cd or only as a quick top up?

[orchid gulch]

As needed.

[lofty veldt]

Noted again ✍️

[orchid gulch]

No point in using a 20% heal when you're at full health, but you can use it liberally in most cases.

There are times where it makes sense to reserve it for an incoming big hit to recover quickly, I. E. If something has a dangerous tankbuster.

[jagged gust]

yeah, very nice for those tank busters that hit several times taking big chunks, your healers appreciate it

[strong forum]

Helps keep up the illusion of not needing healing

And generally just staying healthy

[mint imp]

Hey, when I get 4-set proc and thunder clap is on CD is it worth to wait or just press shield slam again?

[neon elk]

What? How exactly

[orchid gulch]

You ignore the proc and continue as normal.

[strong forum]

You ignore tierset entirely

[mint imp]

OK, thanks. Does Dungeon Slice works for prot warriors?

[vivid orchid]

just hit reflect before it comes out. if you get picked as the target then no ground swirls will spawn (youll get indication of successful reflect)

[neon elk]

Interesting

[orchid gulch]

More or less. It's not recommended to sim dungeon slice as results are usually inaccurate and barely applicable.

[mint imp]

How would you sim dps in m+ then?

[dry phoenix]

!up

[orchid gulch]

You sim ST.

[mint imp]

patch 5t 1min?

[neon elk]

St 2min 5t 1min

But usualy st is enough

[mint imp]

thanks

[trim condor]

anybody tried ?? delve after nerfs? I still dont have interupts for all abilities and brann is not interupting after hotfix

[gritty eagle]

@trim condor most things do insignificant dmg now anyway tho? or is it anything youre dying to? havent tried them that much lately

[tender reef]

Just Facetank it or are we talking 11+?

[gritty eagle]

oh y, i assumed 8s

[trim condor]

if poison is going off and bran dont have dispel, it just wreck you + dmg to egg is tight aswell with all frontals there

I meean Zekvir lair

[spring cedar]

dont let the cast go off

save CDs for egg

and dodge

[trim condor]

oh yeah, how with 15 sec inteerupt and two casts in 15 secs? 😄

[spring cedar]

which 2 casts?

[gritty eagle]

ah my bad, havent cared to look at zekvir as of yet, but its probably the normal, check if you can use spell reflect/spell block etc if your interrupts are not enough

[spring cedar]

the cast from the spider is not a problem if its dead

[trim condor]

he is casting aoe dmg dot and then 20% heal

both are in 15 sec interval

[spring cedar]

you mean the ??? tier

[trim condor]

like you got both in 15-20 sec

[spring cedar]

or the ? one

[trim condor]

yes

[spring cedar]

ahh

[trim condor]

??

[spring cedar]

you come in saying delves, then zekvir and then ???

[trim condor]

I mean yeah? :

[spring cedar]

but it has 2 difficulties

[spring cedar]

the ? and the ??

[strong forum]

Just call it t1 and t2

The question marks are confusing imo

[trim condor]

true

most people call t2 as ??? but its ?? 😄

[spring cedar]

because ?? is the same as ???

[strong forum]

I did it pre-nerf and basically focused on kicking only the heal and hoping that brann dispel the poison

[spring cedar]

there are only 2 tiers, the ? and whatever else the other is

[tender reef]

Go as fury and see if you have enough DPS to kill the eggs

[strong forum]

Arms has more dmg for eggs

[tender reef]

If you do you can make it if not don't even bother and gear up

[strong forum]

Than fury

[trim condor]

bran has 3min cd on that unfornatelly. He was interupting prenerf, but now I didnt get single interupt from him

[tender reef]

Than as arms lol 😂

I did the T1 as fury

[chrome falcon]

does anyone know if sense is trying to do ovinax on warrior

[strong forum]

Only dps brann interrupts

[trim condor]

oh really? I am dumb then

[strong forum]

Healer brann only dispels but doesn't interrupt

Avatar and bladestorm also get rid of the debuff

And ofc stoneform

[tender reef]

On T1 interrupt cd was short enough to kick all his posion

[strong forum]

T1 Just dies

That one is easy

T2 is the one that was challenging, dunno how easy it is now

I'm being told it's quite easy now

[trim condor]

egg is doable even as prot now

but with frontals, is kinda tight, but for example, stun from add is no longer oneshotting

[strong forum]

It didn't oneshot before either, it's just the stun thats lethal, more than the cast itself

[trim condor]

really? then I had lower ilvl, it oneshoted me before

[strong forum]

With 616 I could live it as arms

[trim condor]

yeah I was doing that as 580 prot

[strong forum]

Yeah that's...

The opposite of ideal

[trim condor]

my problem is, I never played war dps, so I doubt I will down it as dps

[mint imp]

Hey, 2x Duskthread Lining embelishment seems to not work? It does add only one time the vers...

[chrome falcon]

you don't really need to learn to dps well

just how to do single target

and save damage for eggs

it's not like you're learning every aspect of the spec

[strong forum]

Drop below 80% then heal up again

It'll autofix itself

[chrome falcon]

nomer do you know if anyone in here is doing ovinax mythic prog on warrior

[trim condor]

sounds good, I have 610 on prot, if I buy two hands/two hand from AH, it should be enough for it?

[strong forum]

Sense for sure will

[chrome falcon]

i really think i'm gonna go 21st man and make my frost dk offspec

[strong forum]

The only reason why people play double bdk is for grips

[mint imp]

awesome, thanks 😄

[chrome falcon]

i figured but one of my friends was looking and couldn't find any public log below 50% without 2x bdk

well it's not just grips

it's death strike countering the tank explosion

[strong forum]

Bruh

We have impending victory and CDs

And yes, it's literally just for massgrip

That you bring double bdk

So in the case of sense, they might 3 tank it

Sense on spiders

And the bdks for grips

We will only 2 tank it but we geared up a 2nd bdk this week

Just for the grips

[ripe seal]

I am

Well, we’ve started progress but focused rather on a few splits for gear, definitely entering the 2nd section on monday.

[chrome falcon]

idk, his logic was "Honestly i have no idea how awful not playing double blook dk will be. The tank responsibility is huge and being able to top yourself at an exact time with death strike is extremely useful."

and he's healing officer for pescorus so i kinda just take his word on everything he says

especially if you're 3 healing you really don't want your healers wasting time on you

[strong forum]

The tank mechanics that do raid dmg have never mattered, it's literally just the mass grips so you can efficiently aoe down the adds

Without much panic

[chrome falcon]

[strong forum]

There are so many triple parasite egg breaks in there that you absolutely don't want those fucks to run around

And mass grip is just insanely OP for that

[chrome falcon]

i was cooking 6 and a half years ago

preach 🙏

[strong forum]

Grips being mandatory in raiding and it pissing people off is a tale as old as time itself

especially if you need it every 45 seconds 🙂

[chrome falcon]

🙂

haha it's ok that they took it away from class utility

abom limb is a good replacement for dps dk

haha 🙂

idk i've heard a few guilds that absolutely have no second bdk are going kyveza first

but i feel like that is just.... an insane decision

[orchid gulch]

Hope there's a way around 2 BDKs. Don't feel like making one , BDK is completely counter to what I want to play as a tank.

But maybe my cotank would keep aggro for once.

[strong forum]

Kyveza is just a pure numbers check

Broodtwister was a numbers check

Now it's less much of a numbers check but "just" an add control fight

Still need good st ofc

[vocal cave]

Warrior is horrific on both of these 😦

Hopsefully it will be good on silkcourt and ansurek in my Gut feeling

Big spooders adds also deals magic dmg for whatever reason

[orchid gulch]

We should be fine on both encounters, at least if no gross misplays are made.

[simple drum]

I love making misplays usually

[shy frost]

any ideas how to analyse wowlogs as prot?

like, what do I look for?

[neon elk]

Shieleblock uptime, rage overcaping ( wasted ) and CD usage are basics

[blazing condor]

blocked hit%, rage gain/waste, CPM,

outburst usage

[shy frost]

ah. but will this show in wowlogs?

[blazing condor]

yes

or i assume you mean warcraftlogs

[shy frost]

yeah

[blazing condor]

then yes

[shy frost]

awesome.

wish that wowanalyzer could give us a module 😄

[pallid quiver]

There's a lot overall you can view. You can actually view how many hits you blocked, which Dog mentioned, under the damage taken tab. You click on yourself and then hover over the number of hits column for different abilities (Generic Melee will give you a good overview). This is neat because it tells you if you're getting clipped in the back; you can have 100% SB uptime, but still only block 30% hits as a result

And for outburst usage, you can tell what you're using it on by going to damage done, selecting the source aura filter for Violent Outburst, and checking your numbers of casts under those filters for SS, TB, and TC

[tropic linden]

Hey, what can I SR on the zekvir encounter?

[dawn zephyr]

Phase 2 fear

[tropic linden]

Ok, tks

[shy frost]

Oh! Thanks for answer 😄 will check it out tonight. 🙌

[robust nymph]

if i want to play primarily prot warrior which dps spec would be easiest to gear for or just use prot gear for

[neon elk]

Arms i would say

[barren belfry]

I wanna try tanking this season. I played a lil bdk in s3.
Is prot good atm? Is it hard compared to bdk?

[gritty eagle]

prot is good, it's not hard compared to bdk

[pallid quiver]

All the tanks are good, Pala you might notice survival pain if you push very high content, and Prot War's main difficult comes from the speed of the spec

If you can manage the latter, it's probably one of the easiest tank specs

[barren belfry]

Well I played mage in s3 to 3.3k io and would say I catch up on classes pretty quickly

I tanked with bear and it felt awful I don’t like it.

But good know. Will give it a try.

[deft hinge]

i want to change cast bar to from glitter to pixel in "very important casts" in scripting for plater. Any tip for how to do that?

[quick geyser]

Yo! Whats ur opinion on these?

I have a spark to craft another piece, should i replace my current with either shield or 1h?

[orchid gulch]

Short term investment: shield, then weapon.

Long term investment: embellishments on wrist / belt/ boots.

[strong forum]

You can also embellish the shield

[quick geyser]

Ok fair enough! I have boots crafted already.
This is my alt so probably wont play too much on it, maybe shield is worth it?

[orchid gulch]

The bulwark is mediocre, the proc is bad and it lacks stats.

[strong forum]

Shield is the most important item to have high ilvl on

[orchid gulch]

Shield is your most important item.

[strong forum]

So, especially if alt, craft shield and weapon

[quick geyser]

Shield it is then thanks, i can get it up to 619

bulward or defender?

[orchid gulch]

Stats hardly matter on the shield, the higher the ilvl, the more block you get. So technically speaking, a myth track shield is best, but until then anything with highest ilvl goes.

Everforged Defender with a possibility of a lining.

Don't craft beledar's nonsense.

[quick geyser]

Appreciate the help 😄

[orchid gulch]

The proc sounds good on paper, but the uptime is kinda garbage.

[quick geyser]

I have dawnthread lining on my boots, which one should i take on the shield?

[orchid gulch]

Whichever you prefer. It'd be best to sim it.

[tropic pond]

my spark is missing from inventory, but when i try to craft it's there, is this a bug?

[orchid gulch]

It is probably in your reagent bank.

[tropic pond]

ah, let me check that rq

[orchid gulch]

It's a crafting reagent and gets deposited automatically once you press the deposit all button.

[tropic pond]

you are right the spark is in my bank, thank you

[orchid gulch]

👍

[lofty veldt]

@strong forum hello gamer man sir is it possible to get your parrot profile?

[snow gulch]

random but from heroic Sikran I got flawless phase blade immediately without any roll whatsoever. What's that about?

oh it's warbound

that explains it

[marble cipher]

Since I run both prot and fury, looking to optimize crafts and embelishments, is Ascension total crap for prot? Or is it still ok-ish to use compared to the threads?
Just looking to see if I need two sets of bracers or if one would do

[orchid gulch]

It is alright, but you're prone to drop it in M+.

[marble cipher]

Fair, gotta make a WA to just chain pull where possible then, sorry rogue/healer 😄

Ah nvm, ascension only goes on weapon, thought it went on shield too

[orchid gulch]

Shields are technically classified as armor, so lining can go there though.

[marble cipher]

yeah, I'll just do a double set of crafts then, not too much of an issue, was trying to cut corners 😉

[junior ivy]

I want to play wow again so bad

[astral crystal]

don't do it

[winter shard]

Are there any abilities that will grab mobs thru door for first boss of SV? I tried a thunderclap real quick in a pug but it didn’t work

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto gm how’s raiding going

[tribal wharf]

those final 2 packs are hard to pull anyways

you can like, prince of persia / metal gear shimmy along the side of the room as you go in

and only aggro just the left side or the right side

long as players are smart

[winter shard]

No I mean pulling the pack that’s hiding behind the closed doors to be pulled with the first boss

[tribal wharf]

wait, first boss

[winter shard]

I know some classes can do it but I can’t find a way to grab them

[tribal wharf]

im not sure, but i know that in mists in the past

it was possible to have a hu nter or warlock send pet through and it would no clip through and then that player dismisses and then the aggrod mob should bee line through the mist gates

im not sure if you can do something like that

[hoary pivot]

they fixed it

there was a hotfix announcement like yesterday?

pretty recently anyways

[winter shard]

Oh that’s so lame I was excited to pull that

Thank you

[tribal wharf]

why would a fury warrior with dual 610 weapons be like 10 of my 25 ish deaths in SV +4

only time someone outright died to melee and it wasnt already wiping was DK on early pull

[lusty grotto]

rare catfriend appearance

[junior ivy]

Yeah I've been seriously wanting to play lol

[tribal wharf]

play whatever the hell you want

(neutral aura)

if u want to play wow, play wow

[sharp gale]

Stop playing with our feelings and choose

[lusty grotto]

on horror so we kinda fixed our dumb decision from last week

[tribal wharf]

if u want to play nintendo, play nintenod

we will be happy for you regardless

[robust urchin]

Today I dreamt about the BDK

He's haunting my dreams

[lusty grotto]

what have you been up to anyway?

[robust urchin]

Is he the white whale to my captain Ahab?

[lusty grotto]

just real life?

[robust urchin]

Who's gonna be my Ishmael to tell my cautionary tale

[junior ivy]

I play a few games casually, actually it sucks that my bf judges the hell out of me for playing videogames "every day" (1-2 hours), so he'd hate WoW 😬🙄

[lusty grotto]

ah

rip

[robust urchin]

Just break up

And brake his back

[junior ivy]

If we didn't have a kid together I probably would break up tbh lol

[sharp gale]

Use the pillow when he is sleeping

[dusky canopy]

Nice nice! We made it to sikran best pull was roughly 30%

Horror dies as soon as people hold there CDs for the adds instead of dumping into boss

[lusty grotto]

not too worried about it now that we kinda caught up

[dusky canopy]

Do you guys raid any more this week?

[lusty grotto]

no

[dusky canopy]

Darn us either

[lusty grotto]

2 days a week :\

[dusky canopy]

I’m totally ready to raid all day Saturday LOL

[lusty grotto]

so thats why last week fucked us lol

[sharp gale]

2 days a week, is it a long march extended lockout at some point ?

[lusty grotto]

it will eventually

[sharp gale]

I hate extended lockout

[lusty grotto]

but i havent seen that, yet

[sharp gale]

Ye I understand we don’t have a lot of mythic track shit so it is kinda worth reclear, but 2 times a week feels kinda short in my experience to not extend at some point

[lusty grotto]

theres no reason to lockout until you have a target ilvl anyway

with the weekly buff, it might not even be worth

but its a lot of ifs

either way the last 4 are the real walls starting with brood

[sharp gale]

Ye useless to rush it when you don’t have « max » ilvl and 20% dmg/heal (is it 20% max don’t remember?) buff

[barren belfry]

i dont see any casts on prot pala on my plater for some reason

[stark jewel]

yo guys, can someone tell me if this looks like a good overall for 9 nw? I just started tanking again in keys after playing fury for the past few weeks

[lusty grotto]

sure

800k+ is decent

[stark jewel]

ty, double silkthread is the go to for embelish right?

[lusty grotto]

correct

[stark jewel]

not that ill have them any tiime soon as I spent sparks for fury embelish

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/reference-captain-america-avengers-understood-gif-7991943

[stark jewel]

also, are there any dungeons where spell block is nto worth running?

[plush tendon]

no

Spell Block is so fucking strong

[stark jewel]

thought so, ty!

[plush tendon]

and its only been buffed

from DF

[sharp gale]

The anima slash thing in mists is spell blocked ? I know it is spell reflected

[tropic linden]

Hey, any way to see in logs how long are we taking to kill those parasites in brood? Is this timer here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DraAKfFzgkjHNnVY#type=deaths&fight=36&hostility=1&source=73

[tropic linden]

With spell block it is

[sharp gale]

Im not a pro raid logs reviewer so as a poor user i would check in the replay when they spawn and when they are not here anymore

[warm star]

i've read the faqs, still not clear on what embellishment should i use for 50:50 fury raiding & prot mythic+

[strong forum]

Embellishs are incredibly minor, so just go with raid stuff

[sharp gale]

Would just craft crit lining embellish on two thing tbh just to have embellish on both spec

[strong forum]

Also works

[warm star]

the problem is raiding is on 2h weapon

would lining even works with tanking? shouldn't you always drop below 80% hp?

[strong forum]

No?

Prot is notoriously the tank who drops the least below 90%

Let alone 80%

[sharp gale]

In mists 10 it had 86% uptime on me

[strong forum]

I had 85% uptime in SV10

90% in mists 10 and 89.5% in nw10

[sharp gale]

If you are below 80% you can hit 20% hp heal button impending victory

[warm star]

oh problem solved then i'll just go with 2x lining
thanks

[plush tendon]

I would just focus on whats best for fury raiding

dont Fury's all use crafted wep offhand?

[barren belfry]

i dont see any castswhen i am on prot pala on my plater for some reason, anybody knows what to do? even chaning plater profile didnt work

[sharp gale]

Ye you would not die if you don’t have embellish in m+

[plush tendon]

sir, we are Prot Warriors

[barren belfry]

yes sorry

[plush tendon]

why interrupt casts when you can reflect

[barren belfry]

i dont think i have something fancy for spell reflect or anything like that

yea but i dont even see casts

[sharp gale]

Or block

[plush tendon]

prob a issue with your plater profile

[graceful kite]

turn on castbars in plater

[barren belfry]

do you know where this option is?

its probably on cause it works on any other spec

[warm star]

it's fine i'd rather prioritize m+ it's not like my guild is gonna kill mythic ansurek in 2 months

[sharp gale]

Maybe bc when you are tanking it changes the « profile »

[barren belfry]

well i had that on my druid and i did see casts

[plush tendon]

Fury is also silly

play Arms instead

[marble cipher]

Arms is too low apm for my spastic hands!

[sharp gale]

Im a silly guy, I plan to play all 3