protection

[real fossil]

I don’t have a trinket like this yet, but it seems like no one can answer very well how the damage mitigation works

[pallid quiver]

hey that's like some of the healers i've seen around

[real fossil]

The reduced damage taken trinkets I think are hard to feelycraft out and I honestly have no idea what their value or implementing is

[merry sluice]

i peaked around on their r.io, and found out

[neon elk]

Am i tripping or doing something wrong , or is there not that big dps gain on wep ? (619 vs 636)

[hollow sphinx]

as I got a 2k rating - which heroset piece is recommended? got none....and we wont clear hc before season end. just joined a guild with a friend of mine for chill raids

[merry sluice]

theyre actually part of a guild i semi know

so ima go gremlin mode and show screenshots the gm

be a little quirky

[mighty valley]

how miserable does your life have to be before you start telling someone they should die because a world of warcraft dungeon didn't go well

get their ass

[merry sluice]

it was timed too
and none of the deaths even affected the upgrade 🤷‍♂️
which weren't evne from my fault wtf am i suppsoed to do about fixating adds when dps stand in stuipd lmfao

but u know how toxic fotm gotta be

[mighty valley]

"my life will be better if i switch to the current meta spec"

"oh no im still sad"

[merry sluice]

he was a hunter main uintil this season

[mighty valley]

i haven't played shaman for real since... wod I think

[high wyvern]

Is it +10 to get portal for M+?

[merry sluice]

yes

[waxen frigate]

Meters are just a third party display thoigh

Absorbs and heals work different afaik

[indigo grove]

what should i move around to go into roar?

iother than the spear talents

missing 1 point

[ionic fern]

As Colossus it's UF.

As MT you can't really sacrifice anything

[nocturne spindle]

||fuck intervene shits never used||

[blazing condor]

i love intervene movement

[mighty valley]

free shield too

also irrelevant when trying to get points for the bottom of the tree lol

[rotund sluice]

any recommendations on when to go into the fray vs heavy repur?

in terms of haste

[nocturne spindle]

are you trying to get 3 points to get into thunderous roar @indigo grove

i figured you meant howl or something

[indigo grove]

Ive seen ppl rn roar thats why uim asking

i hate spear and i just wanna pump dmg

[nocturne spindle]

you roar with colussus build

that might be what your seeing

[mighty valley]

roar is worse damage for thane and is looking likely to get nerfed soon too

[fathom robin]

Is there a defacto horde race for prot war? or marginal and just personal flavor/choice at this point

[mighty valley]

v marginal

[fathom robin]

okay, assumed so, however there is a large presence of dwarf for alliance, so just was checking, thanks!

[vocal cave]

If I went full degen ST I would drop indomitable for battering ram/instigate or bloodsurge?

[round pendant]

man those web bolters at the start of city of threads HURT

but I used spell block

and by the time it ran out they were still alive

not my fault right

(we wiped, lmao)

people not kicking either

[wet bone]

need to be kicked

[round pendant]

no kicks + low dps + double pull = deadge

had to start single pulling the rest of the dungeon

bad group so sad

[neon elk]

Get someone who can pop buff at start, skip first 2 mobs, pick pack + big one in back, pop bl if u dont need it on boss

[round pendant]

Yeah that's the two packs I'm talking about

Didn't have the buff tho

I hate those profession/class buffs

[knotty pelican]

so on details. ignore pain. does it show actual absorbed damage or is it just overhealed spam?

[neon elk]

Yea they are pain and not balanced at all

[sour flint]

Hey men im curious about what neck is best. I have mostly mastery and some haste neck from SV (that i see most ppl use on archon gg) and i have crit/vers from CoT dungeon. The guide i read say the most best stat is haste/crit then vers and then mastery. Im curious about whats the best neck? I dont do any raid just m+ dungeon

[remote tusk]

Raid neck is besf because of its additional effect and metric buttload of Haste.

Alternative would be crafted.

[sour flint]

Thanks a lot your answer! So is recommend i craft neck if i dont like raid? both SV and COT are bad neck pretty much?

[split stratus]

Hey, I don't understand something with my SB. On this boss fight I have 100% uptime but I only block 23% of Melee, really not sure why. Any idea ? 🙏 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h9m6vKa7rx4Gbfnq#fight=4&type=damage-taken&source=3&start=13003495&end=13097534

[remote tusk]

Stonevault neck if you cant/wont craft.

[remote tusk]

What boss fight

[lusty grotto]

you keep snipping the log

stop selecting targets that way

link the full log

DO NOT touch this

which boss is it

[tardy burrow]

do healing parses as a tank matter in a raid enviroment, as a prot warrior?

[split stratus]

3rt boss of Boralus, just want to make sure everything is fine

[lusty grotto]

select it here

NOT UP TOP

youre messing with the log window

and its giving you bogus data

[shrewd plinth]

Mainly fury warrior, newer to high key prot stuff. How do I enter a pack without rage?

[quaint sinew]

if u have no rage for defensives i use shieldwall

or charge demo shour

shout

[shrewd plinth]

Shield charge demoralizing into claps?

[quaint sinew]

or healer mana thas kinda it as far as i know

[shrewd plinth]

Then ignore pain or shield block first?

[lusty grotto]

also

HOVER ON HITS, i told you this yesterda

do not hover on Avg Hits

[remote tusk]

Shield Block

[lusty grotto]

do not hover on anything else

[remote tusk]

Always

[quaint sinew]

i do pain for casters

[lusty grotto]

you have 40%

[quaint sinew]

but still need shield block up quick

[split stratus]

40% with 100% SB uptime on the fight

[shrewd plinth]

I had some weird packs yesterday where I’d feel good into the pull and then just pain slamming the shit out of me

[lusty grotto]

thats not how it works

[shrewd plinth]

Like 20 seconds in no problems and then I’d be reaching for majors as I start just blowing up

[lusty grotto]

youre getting back hit

[shrewd plinth]

I’ll work on trying to get the defensives up in the right order, gcds feel so dynamic and very important

[quaint sinew]

also i gotta question, should i save crests for crafting or nah?

[lusty grotto]

this is a block hit

[bleak breach]

I would personally

[lusty grotto]

blocked*

[quaint sinew]

i just started getting comfortable tanking +9s nd shit

[lusty grotto]

the top one is a back hit

youre constantly getting back hit

[bleak breach]

Can jump straight into 636 crafts instead of stuffing round upgrading rings

[lusty grotto]

thats why your effective uptime is 40%

[split stratus]

Oh thank you !! That is exactly what I was looking for

[stable shard]

guys raidbots always say haste crit but i'm starting 12's i should prio haste vers no?

[bleak breach]

I’d only upgrade myth wep/shield before crafts

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry i couldnt take a look at last night's log

[bleak breach]

Na

[lusty grotto]

have been super busy

[mellow quartz]

Why would it change?

[bleak breach]

Haste crit>=vers

[split stratus]

What is the radius for block ? 180deg radius in front of me ?

[lusty grotto]

yes

180 in front

[remote tusk]

Raidbots is dps sim

[lusty grotto]

you can strafe block

[fathom robin]

wait how do you determine it was a back hit?

[lusty grotto]

which is what most of us do

[split stratus]

sure np mate, tyvm again for our help

[mellow quartz]

SB up and no blocked attack

[lusty grotto]

cause he had SB up and the melee didnt get blocked

i circled what to look ffor

[fathom robin]

o

yeah gotcha

thanks

[lusty grotto]

#protection message these are back hits

also

[mellow quartz]

You just ran through the boss most likely

Never strafed

[lusty grotto]

If stunned, you also do not block

[lucid bough]

Im doing it

[lusty grotto]

if casting mandate, you also do not block

so those will show up there

[fathom robin]

makes sense, thanks for explaining. just starting to use logs etc.

[lusty grotto]

just send em, we got a lot of good log readers

ive just been ultra busy

that was why i wasnt as active today here

[fathom robin]

all good, thanks for the help

[quaint sinew]

so instead of immediate upgrades imma try to save guilded crests then, should i get a shield or 1hander

[bleak breach]

You can craft your normal items and hold out for shield/wep in vault depending on how many 10s you’re doing or myth raid

[quaint sinew]

i think wowhead had the bracers and belt?

[bleak breach]

Your non crafted items will go higher, that’s why you put crafts on stuff like wrists and belt that have lower stats

Although the embellishments kinda suck this xpac so I’d be interested as to how small the gain is of having the embellishments vs the extra few ilvl

[pliant crypt]

just trying to get some 2nd opinions
do u think if im gonna tank keys i need to rebind my backpedal?
im using S as extra keybind for now

or can u strafe properly and not get hit in the back

• clump well

[bleak breach]

You can strafe, but I would have back pedal on a keybind

What do you use to strafe?

[bold raven]

yo! are ya'll doing your third craft this week?

[pliant crypt]

A and D

and camera

[floral trail]

If ignore pain absorbs 50% of incoming dps and swarmlords authority also how is the math then? or is it a priority based thing?

[pliant crypt]

yeah i feel like most good tanks i see use backpedal

seems like its annoying to strafe perfectly

and not get slapped

whereas on like mage i dont need backpedal at all lol

[bleak breach]

I barely use swarmlords, only really used it on massive dtps fights like Queen Ansurek to help nullify Liquidy or Gorge

[lusty grotto]

for those asking what i crafted, i made belt earlier today

[bleak breach]

It is really nice defensively though and helps fill gaps

[lusty grotto]

will make bracers next

[bleak breach]

Scales with haste so the more haste you’re running the better it works

[lusty grotto]

and likely shield last

[bleak breach]

You just going dawnthread lining Nim?

[mighty valley]

i know a lot of tanks that don't have backpedal bound, personally i like it for small adjustments

[lusty grotto]

for bracers probably

need to sim

i went dusk for belt

cause it was simming higher

[split stratus]

Bro... I just understood what is happening, I macroed the Rock Buddy (https://www.wowhead.com/item=228431/rock-buddy) to all my spells because the animation is bugged I found it pretty funny. But the real funny part is that you can't block hits under this "rock buddy" buff

[pliant crypt]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[split stratus]

Going to play in EZ mode right now

[lusty grotto]

bro thats fucked up

[split stratus]

That is indeed

[viral cape]

I am going to use a spark for crafting neck jewellery, what jewelery embellishment is best for Thane?

[lusty grotto]

none

if you craft neck, it has to be naked cause linings cant go on it

[split stratus]

I really thought I was so bad, that I couldn't understand the 180deg thing lol

[lusty grotto]

well at least its gonna be a huge difference for you

[mighty valley]

i was really like... is this guy just looking away from the boss 60% of the time

[bleak breach]

I wouldn’t craft neck anyway, there’s either the bis raid neck off 4th or 5th boss or the 2bis that’s heavy crit haste

[lusty grotto]

there's also a perfectly good neck in Stonevault

[bleak breach]

Yep

Pretty easily obtainable

[viral cape]

yeah, I havent had luck with EDNA dropping key, so since I have sparks to spare, its the next logical upgrade

[bleak breach]

Either don’t use an embellishment or use the elemental damage thing for neck in that case

[viral cape]

thanks

Im only making it so EDNA drops neck on next run 🙂

[bleak breach]

Elemental focusing lense, that’s the one

[lusty grotto]

eh

[bleak breach]

But personally I’d just craft it without embellishment

You have 3 sparks now so use 2 on items with the lining

[viral cape]

kk, thats what ill do since again, its a stop gap until I get any from raid/Stonevault/the decent delve one

[tribal wharf]

so about dawn breaker i have a question again

the first boss with the beam and the tank buster portion, it says there is also another explosion that accompanies it and i assume hits the team

[remote tusk]

When she casts beam there will be an initial burst of big damage on all party members

Yes

[tribal wharf]

unavoidable stuff probably, so if i spell reflect and i take like 500k, 750k up to a million on those dw about it?, id have to check logs, could have spell blocked it

[remote tusk]

Id save Reflect for her Shadow Bolts instead

[tribal wharf]

i just kick those

since reflect out right stops 5 million dmg from hitting me

[fervent fiber]

is it better to buy 3 star mats?

to craft main hand

[remote tusk]

Ask the crafter what mats they need to do max rank

[tribal wharf]

oh, i got champion 1h DB

just now

[hollow bolt]

seige trash hurts :C

[tribal wharf]

which trash, but yes

[hollow bolt]

the first part, curseblades and riptide shreaders fucking mauled me

[remote tusk]

Their debuffs are kill

Negative haste kek

[tribal wharf]

curseblades you can spell block or reflect, shredders you need to shield block

[hollow bolt]

can u block the initial debuff?

[tribal wharf]

if you reflect the curseblade it puts the debuff back on him

[hollow bolt]

gotca, ill go into those pulls with spell reflect up i guess il

ill try to outranged shredders?

i tried side stepping them but no dice, only semeed to work if i ran away

[tribal wharf]

just shield block them, it only stops the first hit of thier ability

[stable shard]

was wondering why ive a little SB sometimes but its shield charge lul

so with 3 enemies i've SB perma with 1 stack, need 4sec under 3 mobs

wonder for HR then

losing the haste but definitely being perma SB

[tribal wharf]

yes, and when you get into more challenging content, you will need what you are calling now "perma block"

90% blocked hits is the goal we shoot for

we are mad if you dont do 90% blocked hits

[viral cove]

is this trinket any good or ok for prot warr def? or should i just take the big haste/small mast ring?

[stable shard]

i want to remove revenge from my bars

can i ?

[safe quartz]

yeah I got caught off guard by that as well on like my third pull in the dungeon. before I didn't take any dmg now I got farmed. mdt suggests its a cast time into a 10 second long phys dot pretty much.

wowhead says
Apply Aura: Periodic Damage
Value: 4 every 1 second
Mechanic: Bleeding
I didn't check for bleeding debuffs so not sure if you can dispell it. just prevent the cast from going off I suppose

[tribal wharf]

finger is total bait for us at least

take something else

between blocks reflects and parries, we dont have time to dodge attacks, frankly

[tidal citrus]

Hello, i'm 614 atm, I feel I being destroyed on +9 is that normal ?

[viral cove]

is the healer is bad... yeah

[graceful kite]

no

[tribal wharf]

what happened

[graceful kite]

link a log post a clip

even a details death recap would be helpful

[raw parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-izuku-midoriya-boku-no-hero-academia-angry-sad-gif-5928195

Got my first 10 done

[lusty grotto]

first of all

i cant read french

[tidal citrus]

ik right

[lusty grotto]

second of all

logging is infinitely more useful

it auto translates for us

and gives us context

[tidal citrus]

yeah but i have not 🙂

[lusty grotto]

while txr mentioned posting a details screenshot, it really does not help

sometimes people log in a run youre in

look up your character in wcl

[tidal citrus]

the key didn't finish

[lusty grotto]

unfortunate

[mighty valley]

it does appear that you're getting railed by necrotic bolts

it would be a lot easier with logs but i'm guessing it's the usual answers

things no getting kicked, not reflecting, not spell blocking

ilvl isn't the problem

[tidal citrus]

k second problem 🙂 I can't get how to war tank the second boss of necrotic wake

[tardy burrow]

?

[tidal citrus]

can't get all mob come to me; or retaunt everything

[blazing condor]

you just aoe them to get aggro

interrupts on casts make the casters run to you

thats about it

you can put boss in corner to help with the ads spawning close to eacother

[mighty valley]

it's really nice if a ranged can interrupt the furthest caster but as a warrior you have a lot of mobility to handle things yourself

[tidal citrus]

when i use mobility i get killed in 2s

[mighty valley]

why

you can move without turning your back to boss

[blazing condor]

probably putting ur back towards all the mobs

[tardy burrow]

make sure you arent getting meleed in the back, I usually charge the mages if the dps is incompetent and can't interrupt, otherwise just aoe and grab em all.
Edit: can't not can.

[blazing condor]

cant block from behind

for re-taunts you literally have challenging shout

but you dont need it

[mighty valley]

it helps if the group isn't randomly spread around the room, they can stay close which helps with initial aoe aggro

[tidal citrus]

yaeh usualy their full spread

[tardy burrow]

true, sadly ranged dpslikes to sit in narnia instead of staying somewhat close to make everything easier, including healing and grabbing adds off them , its crazy

[lusty grotto]

pull boss to a corner with the back to it

try to have people standing at the wall

if you cant, then dps needs to handle kicks

as long as they are in range of boss, TC + TB will get threat

i always pull boss to that corner

on the upper left

like we did in SL

it wont make adds magically spawn closer though

if people are spread apart

[waxen frigate]

i love gaslighting

[lusty grotto]

but its easier if you just instruct them to stand in the wall

[tidal citrus]

when the breath is comming doesn't that fucked them up ?

[lusty grotto]

i mean youre not supposed to have him hugging the wall

just in the general area

[tidal citrus]

k

[lusty grotto]

whats this?

[queen hemlock]

Ive never had such trouble in previous expacs but as a prot warrior this season
Fort +7s are fucking killing me in medium sized pulls
I have shield block on 92% of the time but getting butt fucked

[bleak breach]

What level key you doing?

[queen hemlock]

Of course i send demo and shield wall but the two isnt up every pull
Feels like im getting my ass torn

[old flame]

Remember 7 are the old 17s (pre season 4)

What does your DB uptime look like?

SB*

[queen hemlock]

Yea but i dont really in even 20s until everyone else dies/ i became stupid with big ass pulls

87-92% uptime

Find it very hard to keep it up
Mostly due to trading the bleed for chance at rage for disrupting shout

Maybe
Mot actually sure

[lusty grotto]

eh

i dont run bloodsurge

so its not that

you know what we're gonna ask of you though

[queen hemlock]

100%? lel

[lusty grotto]

no, logs

[queen hemlock]

Oh ah
Let me check if i have any eith me now

[mint idol]

If I have mad queen's mandate, skyterror's corrosive organ, and Swarmlords authority, what is the play for keys? Is authority doing decent in keys? Seeing it on a lot of m+ tanks

[lusty grotto]

sim 5t patchwerk 1 min or 1.5 mins

thats about it

[mint idol]

Is the defensives on swarmlords significant? Or just considering damage on this one?

[lusty grotto]

its eh

just a small bonus, nothing insane about it

[mint idol]

Ill go with the sim then, thanks

[queen hemlock]

does this work?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qbkYGRdWAwz7FTnc

grim but whole
mist
ara kara

[lusty grotto]

hmm no advanced combat logging

cant see gear or talents

block seems okay

anima slash, you need to reflect

and/or spell block

its destroying you

[queen hemlock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/saurfang/kincadenaul

[lusty grotto]

reflect it

it does big damage

if reflect down, spell block

[queen hemlock]

thats the gear
talent wise
im using the icy veins m+ mountain thane recommended with bloodsurge swapped out for disrupt shout

[lusty grotto]

youre kinda fucked since youre orc on poisons and bleeds

[queen hemlock]

ah oke

whats better to tank with?>

[lusty grotto]

just wall em

and/or keep SR up for the DR on poisons

[marble night]

I’m a pretty big dummy new prot war.. are there any decent WA out there that scream at you when to spell reflect? For big reflects

[lusty grotto]

if youre not getting dispelled

same with the disease

[marble night]

Obv over course of season I’ll learn to remember them but it would help now

[queen hemlock]

sr/spellbloc/demoshout/shieldwall aye

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean

[queen hemlock]

ive been spamming for ignore pains and somehow still meltin

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt be having problems with this key

[queen hemlock]

more*

[lusty grotto]

are mobs eating orbs or something

[queen hemlock]

maybe 1-2?

[lusty grotto]

doesnt seem like it at least for melee

[queen hemlock]

i didnt die much in mist but

[lusty grotto]

ok which one are you having problems with

[queen hemlock]

the first pull ate my ass

grim batol

[lusty grotto]

just remember to SR anima slash

and/or spell block

[queen hemlock]

aye oke

does the spell reflect wa tell me to block it?

[lusty grotto]

so GB has a few mobs you need to pay attention to

no

[queen hemlock]

or its a must learn myself thing

oke

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qbkYGRdWAwz7FTnc#fight=26&type=damage-taken&source=2 take a look at this

Shadowflame Slash IS reflectable

[fervent fiber]

what embellishment on weapon?

[lusty grotto]

it is not spell blockable

[fervent fiber]

whats the name QUICK

[lusty grotto]

you have to wall and/or SR

theres no embelish on weapon that's worthwhile

read the guides

moving on

[fervent fiber]

damn ok thx lmao

[lusty grotto]

for reference

[warm plinth]

What's the name Nim, and be snappy about it

[queen hemlock]

ok wait sorry just to check again
the spell reflect wa wont tell me to use reflect on anima slash?

[lusty grotto]

enforcers enrage, and while everything is blockable from them, they SHOULD Be soothed

maybe you shouldnt rely on that dogshit WA

[queen hemlock]

or well im not sure if a spell reflect wa is even here, imma go check it out

ah just a tool to help me start out with

[lusty grotto]

idk why people rely on it

[queen hemlock]

i get used to the spells after awhile

just need a foot in the door kinda stuff

[lusty grotto]

anyway there's also bleeds and dots in there

[queen hemlock]

kinda just stun em, am told soothe dont work so well

[lusty grotto]

but the two mobs you need to be on the look out

are both the flamerenders, and the enforcers

thats it

[warm plinth]

Nim, the name! Smh what's taking you so long

[wide charm]

Anyone have a good BSV weak aura?

[lusty grotto]

oh

[warm plinth]

Do as i say

I'm random

[lusty grotto]

Nickname about the current thing

🙂

great embelish

[warm plinth]

Oh I was teasing about the guy asking about the enchant or whatever and said quick

Oh lmfao

[lusty grotto]

will talk to you about Doom for days

[queen hemlock]

sorry i dont see flame render in the google docks
is it the same as dfecapitator?

[warm plinth]

Nim got me

[queen hemlock]

uses shadowflame slash as well

using sense's google docs as a refrence not too sure what to check

[lusty grotto]

yeah i think Sense has a mistake there

[queen hemlock]

ah oke

and enforcers are the fucking ogre magi that bloodlust themselves and slap fast and hard right?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[queen hemlock]

ah ye the fuckers that go to town

[lusty grotto]

soothe does work, especially evokers'

[warm plinth]

If you ever have stuff to add/correct, you can dm him. Just be specific and provide proof. He'll fix it when he can. He won't bite.

[lusty grotto]

rogue/hunter/druid probably wont because if they are hitting you they gain stacks

[queen hemlock]

i mean i dont know what im looking at,
i dont attempt to correct very very compitent people lel

[lusty grotto]

and monk (which is new btw)

[queen hemlock]

ah yea
heard monk got spellrefect too

[lusty grotto]

soothe

not spell reflect

soothe for enrage effects

[queen hemlock]

oh ah

btws u using mdt to check the enemies in game or

[lusty grotto]

youre talking about diffuse, thats not spell reflect

[queen hemlock]

what resource you using to look

[lusty grotto]

yes

[queen hemlock]

ah oke

[lusty grotto]

MDT

[queen hemlock]

ah yea thanks thanks you answered the first time

is diffuse different from spell reflect?

60% over 100%

[lusty grotto]

you have to use it after

[queen hemlock]

ah

[lusty grotto]

not preventative

[queen hemlock]

AH

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt follow the same rules

so it works for Siege's last boss

on the circle debuffs

they just put it on the boss when they use it

[queen hemlock]

the tentacles or the big ass bugger in the middle

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea tbh

Nish might

[queen hemlock]

on that note, should i attempt SRing putrid waters then?

ah oke

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure it comes from the boss, so it goes to the boss

you should try to yes, but it doesnt prevent you from gaining it

[queen hemlock]

it doesnt? says reflectable on sense's sheet

oke

[lusty grotto]

read the comment

[queen hemlock]

OH AH

BLIND I AM

discord blocking the comment side, man thanks for the tips

but em honestly, is my shield block up time bad? not gonna lie i find myself running out of shield blocks

i am siding towards casting thunderclap over shield block for demoshout cds

[lusty grotto]

its decent

huh

what do you mean by that

did you mean shield slam

[queen hemlock]

the eh
there is a talent, thunderclap reduces demo shout cd right?

AH YES

SORRY

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt

you will tclap anyway

your APM is weird

its super low

9.2 on arakara with SS

it needs to be WAY UP

youre revenging way too much

bottom prio

youre wasting considerable (but not massive) amounts of rage

use IP at 70 rage to burn it

do not use revenge over SS or TC/TB

and only to get SS resets when both SS and TC/TB are on cd

[balmy crescent]

So like

I charge in

Build rage asap

Spam ignore pain until I have max of it

[lusty grotto]

no

[balmy crescent]

And then I keep up shieldblock and IP?

[lusty grotto]

absolutely not

[balmy crescent]

Can u enlightenment me pls

[lusty grotto]

you charge, avatar, and put SB up

then you #protection message

[balmy crescent]

I’m confused

[lusty grotto]

SB is your active mit, IP is a rage dump

keep SB up

[balmy crescent]

Ohhhhh

Only SB when it’s on its last seconds right?

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter, it extends

[balmy crescent]

And Shieldslam whenever it’s up to prolonging sb

[lusty grotto]

read the guides #protection-faq

[balmy crescent]

I did not know that, that’s huge

[arctic quartz]

i struggle with aggro

[balmy crescent]

So if I press SB twice back to back, it’s adds up both?

[lusty grotto]

yes

but SB duration caps

[sleek wagon]

what keys do you run

[lusty grotto]

at 3 times its duration

[robust urchin]

Don't forget shield Charge grants you a stack of Shield Block absolutely free of charge

[lusty grotto]

so dont do that habitually

[arctic quartz]

did a +7 n +8

[robust urchin]

Great for first pulls

[balmy crescent]

Ah I forgot bout that, that’s good to know too

[queen hemlock]

some fuckers in my keep kept ripping aggro

i dont know how to get it back to i spammed revenge

[lusty grotto]

revenge wont help you get agro

[queen hemlock]

oh

[lusty grotto]

it does piss damage on thane

[balmy crescent]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

more damage = more threat

[queen hemlock]

oh

[balmy crescent]

That’s good to know

[queen hemlock]

wtf really LOL

[lusty grotto]

yes, just like in DF...

[scarlet stone]

I do too, I always rip aggro off my dk offtank.

[balmy crescent]

I heard colossus revenge does tons and tons of dmg

[merry sluice]

tbf

[lusty grotto]

you use revenge to put Deep Wounds up at the start and then its 100% the lowest priority attack after that

[robust urchin]

I think you can get a maximum of like 34/36 seconds of Shield Block

[merry sluice]

as a bdk player
a lot of rando dks, especially in raid

just arent good lol

[queen hemlock]

ok guess i didnt read
i kinda thought revenge always does more damage than anything other than ss st

[merry sluice]

idk what it is about dk specifically

[robust urchin]

I got a question for you

[merry sluice]

hmm?

[robust urchin]

So I'm mainly DPS and we have the second tank who's a DK I done a few m+ with him

[balmy crescent]

Why do people say that prot warriors are really bad vs magic when they have 2 cooldowns dedicated for magic defense

[scarlet stone]

What can I tell him to fix this? On queen i was having to afk to not rip aggro back even 60s into the fight, and I’m losing so much cdr on demo shout and avatar because of it.

[lusty grotto]

because they are stuck in the pre-DF era

[queen hemlock]

but man in that case would you remove the revenge talent and go for fight though the fire?
6% magic reduction

[robust urchin]

He always body pulls with the weird dot (two red lines)

[lusty grotto]

you can

[robust urchin]

And literally never puts down a death and decay before he does

[balmy crescent]

You can do that?? I’d be so down

[lusty grotto]

both talents are garbage, so pick what you need the most

[robust urchin]

Is something wrong with his brain?

[merry sluice]

itd be a log angle tbh.

best bet if hes willing to fix it, is to get him to send his log into acherus

[queen hemlock]

AH OKE

[fervent lagoon]

FaQ says focusing lense is best ST embellishment, but if im running M+ only and want to embellish my wep, is there a better option?

[lusty grotto]

no

for the 100th time this week

[queen hemlock]

yea i always though revenge was our best dps kit
never knew
thanks for schooling me

[scarlet stone]

Like he mentioned he was trying to hold the bag for death strikes but fuck me.

[lusty grotto]

THERE IS NO GOOD WEAPON EMBELISH FOR M+, if you craft a weapon keep it naked

[robust urchin]

From what I can tell he's blood boiling for pulls

And just runs into mobs

Usually takes him like 7 seconds for a death and decay

[merry sluice]

blood boil is good aggro
but if ur seeing two red lines that's death's caress, which means he's using it to refresh boneshield, he usually should not need to do that eveyr pull unless he fucked up, or there's a long downtime between combat

[scarlet stone]

And the dk player is good… we push keys with him tanking. I just can’t seem to get an offtank that can hold aggro off me when I’m playing prot.

[merry sluice]

and even then drw is a choice for boneshield too

[fervent lagoon]

Brother chill, it's not like im here reading every message.. but thanks for the reply, appreciate it ❤️

[merry sluice]

DnD absolutely should be like, preplaced before u even get into melee range of mobs. and certainly not 7 seconds after entering combat

[robust urchin]

Except he can't hold aggro for shit

[merry sluice]

yeah bc he's holding onto dnd for so long

[lusty grotto]

is he playing deathbringer

[merry sluice]

dnd makes heartstrike cleave

[lusty grotto]

or sanlayn?

[robust urchin]

Even if I wait 5 seconds and then charge in I'm always aggroing

[cyan bronze]

I wonder if there’s a discord dedicated to blood dk related questions

That might be more helpful

[robust urchin]

Frankly to me it looks like he's playing Mouthbreather but I think it's deathbringer

[merry sluice]

he's losing a ton of aoe, rp, and tankiness if he's not DnDing for so long into combat

[lusty grotto]

then hes probably afk

[robust urchin]

He rerolled from guardian mid prog because guardian "was to difficult"

[cyan bronze]

[lusty grotto]

lmao

i mean unless he was doing dotc

thats a fucking take

[robust urchin]

He had trouble holding up ironfur or whatever

[sleek wagon]

to be fair you need a very high IQ to play bear

[lusty grotto]

holy shit lmao

[cyan bronze]

[lusty grotto]

yeahhhhh

[cyan bronze]

Maybe tanking isn’t for him

[lusty grotto]

thats a behind the keyboard problem

[cyan bronze]

And that’s okay

[merry sluice]

as for that, that is usually a huge misplay.

bc if he goes 8 seconds without deathstriking, he's losing a TON of dps by dropping coagulopathy.
deathstrike is only going to heal a damage instance one time, why pool 3 of them?

[robust urchin]

He claims he used to MT mythic raids

[balmy crescent]

Is the 2p and 4p for prot warr any good?

[cyan bronze]

That might be true

He just wasn’t good at it

[robust urchin]

So I'm not a toxic piece of shit if I think he's dogshit?

[cyan bronze]

I mean

What’s there to think

[merry sluice]

yh no buddy's cooked

[cyan bronze]

I mean maybe he’s really good and just doesn’t understand dk

Being able to live without hitting death and decay

[robust urchin]

He always complains about not having runic power

[cyan bronze]

[merry sluice]

in m+ i make sure my rp and boneshield is topped up at the end of a pull

and then dnd a gcd or too before i evne get into melee range

[cyan bronze]

I mean I wonder why

[merry sluice]

tell him to quit deathstriking at the end of pulls

and if he stands in dnd, he'll get more rp when he heartstrikes

[cyan bronze]

Well

He has to drop it first

[merry sluice]

yeah, 7 seconds after going into combat

🙂

[robust urchin]

I'm gonna do a few more m+ with him (not my key he bricked my 6 grim) and see what's up

[cyan bronze]

[balmy crescent]

Anybody got any input on this?

[south zealot]

saying main tank means he doesnt know what hes talking anout

[robust urchin]

Hey man I know I'm like mid st best so this still bothers me

[south zealot]

about

[merry sluice]

being in dnd also means he does 5x dmg on tombhstone or bonestorm

both of which are INSANE snap aggro

[robust urchin]

I know he has those claws

[south zealot]

not very important

[robust urchin]

Abomination or whatever

[cyan bronze]

I mean yeah

[twilit burrow]

Whys alot of prot war now going colossus vs mountain thane?

[cyan bronze]

He probably uses them immediately on add spawn on 3rd boss gb tho

[south zealot]

colossus does a fuck ton of damage

[cyan bronze]

[south zealot]

less tanky but soooo much dam

[robust urchin]

Frankly it's hard to tell what he uses because most of the time he appears to just be auto attacking

[south zealot]

its a lot of fun tok

[merry sluice]

abomb limb is good too, but thats 2min cd.

Abom no longer gens boneshield on its own, but it does when it grabs. which means another way to regen boneshield (as well as death grip giving boneshield)

[twilit burrow]

i guess heroic is colossus and mythic thane

[scarlet stone]

Idk, I haven’t played retail in a very long time so I’m not in a position yet to tell him what’s right or wrong. But yeah I’ll definitely be talking to him a bit about it and see what we can fix because if I’m going to be tanking I don’t want to have to hold my GCDs constantly to watch threat.

[robust urchin]

Speaking of grabs he always grabs the meele ads instead of the casters

Like I dunno if that's on purpose but it's irritating the fuck out of me

[cyan bronze]

tell him to play aug or smth idk

[merry sluice]

dude deahtbringer burst is so insane i oftne find myself being the one to nearly rip aggro lmfao

[twilit burrow]

last question: Thunderous roar vs spear

[merry sluice]

maybe not the highest dps tank, but in terms of burst its cracked, and a deahtbringer reaaally shouldnt struggle with threat lol

[robust urchin]

Like usually at the beginning of a dungeon when he pulls he's like instantly at 5% or something

[south zealot]

roar colossus spear thane

[cyan bronze]

ppl shouldn’t struggle with threat

xd

[robust urchin]

I think he actually lets himself get hit in the back

It's so weird

[cyan bronze]

rly not a mechanic in retail if you play your spec

[merry sluice]

probably also dropping boneshield a lot.

[cyan bronze]

I mean

there’s probably more things he’s doing terribly wrong than things he’s doing okay

[robust urchin]

You know what imma check out raidlogs

[cyan bronze]

he’s probably really good at releasing and running back

probably a master of bdk mobility at this point

[robust urchin]

Dudes irritating me so much I'm thinking about leveling a DK just to show him how to play

I could probably handle it

[cyan bronze]

that would be so chad of you

you said you don’t tank?

[robust urchin]

Not in our raid

[cyan bronze]

Or just mainly dps

[robust urchin]

I used to tank during wrath,-mop

I want to tank

But I'm not allowed

Cuz he got first dibs I guess

[cyan bronze]

i mean it sounds like you only have one tank in raid

[merry sluice]

not allowed?

agh

[cyan bronze]

have you considered leaving your guild

[robust urchin]

Yeah but I'm like super casual too

[cyan bronze]

sounds like ur being made a worse player by proxy

[robust urchin]

Honestly I'm like mid at best as fury

I usually manage like blue parses

[cyan bronze]

i mean you can’t say that about him and bdk

[robust urchin]

I'm convinced I could do a good job tanking

[cyan bronze]

he doesn’t usually manage to parse because he was dead from first tank buster tho, no?

[robust urchin]

But our "main" tank is a warrior and "comp" stuff

[merry sluice]

bdk's definitely an...interesting one

I think compared to a lot of bad tanks, bad bdks get carried by deathstrike spam in very low contnet, then walk in with no understanding of the class in higher content, and quickly get punished bc there's a lot that cna go wrong on dk that needs managing

so the bad dks are very visible

[tribal glade]

Hey does anyone know when and why you go into the fray talent?

[merry sluice]

in raid if you're comfortable with your haste you can send it at lower values

In m+ you need high enough haste (like 40%, maybe a bit less depending on skill). Into the fray is a great dps gain, but if your haste is too low, you won't maintain shield block with it, compared to HR.

[lusty grotto]

in raid you do

in M+ you shouldn't unless you think you can manage the gaps

[tribal glade]

im currently at 32 w/o it

[merry sluice]

yeah in raid since you're not tanking the full time, you can send it

[robust urchin]

He's deathbringer apparently

[merry sluice]

heroic?

[robust urchin]

Yes

[cerulean dagger]

duskthread lining only showing up once in buffs even though I have 2? is that normal? its supposed to stack no?

[merry sluice]

its definitely interesting dps he's doing on abilities there

[lusty grotto]

reset the buff

fly up drop down to under 80% hp

[cerulean dagger]

aight

good shout

[merry sluice]

wait

is he jsut not running soul reaper in raid, or is he using it so little its showing up below shattering bone 💀

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[merry sluice]

[robust urchin]

Sorry for small pic I'm on my phone

602 ilvl

Not sure if that matters

So by the reaction I can assume he needs some help

Or maybe we need some divine help

[lusty grotto]

i mean just not knowing nearly enough about BDKs as others in here i can say, if hes not pressing the most satisfying marrowrend youll ever have, the guy has issues

[robust urchin]

Like I don't want to be "that guy"

[merry sluice]

ofc a proper dig can't be given without like, full on log analysis, or seeing his rotation

but just on casts alone i can assume he's wasting uses of abilities like soul reaper, and consumption, maybe even bonestorm

[merry sluice]

logs do count exterminate casts as marrowrend

but evne in my pull i had 30 exterminate, this guy has 4 less exterminate but 15 more marrowrends

which is diabolical

[lusty grotto]

today i learned

[robust urchin]

I wouldn't feel good about posting it here but we technically do use logs for improvement

[lusty grotto]

man why arent you posting logs

are you guys doing RWF or something

[merry sluice]

yeah no i wouldnt send it here anyways
but i would definitely send it to acherus

if you're truly concerned

[lusty grotto]

just anonymize it

[merry sluice]

you can post it anonymous

[robust urchin]

I'm honestly mostly discombobulated

Like he keeps talking like he knows everything about bdk

[merry sluice]

understandable bc from the looks of it he's dropping CDs, and spamming marrowrend which WRECKS his RP economy, and dumps runes out of existence

[robust urchin]

Always telling people how they need this and that

And how this and that works

[merry sluice]

which likely then means he doesnt ahve the rp to deathstrike, so dropping coag too

[lusty grotto]

thats under settings, sorry i cropped badly

[proud dock]

got a dumb question: suppose i want to triple pull at the start of stonevault, are there any lesser known tech/tips to not get TKO'd in the back while rounding up the packs?

[robust urchin]

He also chimes in on other classes too

[lusty grotto]

strafe

back to the wall

[proud dock]

is there anything to detect something behind you?

like WA or addon?

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt know

use your eyes

[robust urchin]

I'm having like disassociation symptons from our m+ runs

[robust urchin]

At one point I literally just sat in my chair like van Gogh's painting at eternitys gate

[lusty grotto]

use compact mode you heathens

[merry sluice]

nano

that might be the most

relatable thing i've ever read after my week with pugs

[merry sluice]

im actually legally blin D:

[lusty grotto]

now i feel bad

[merry sluice]

nah 1/3

make fun of brod and lnx still

or my giant-ass glasses

[robust urchin]

This was literally me when I watched him run into a grp, no DND, no bone shield, just the weird red lines and gripping another pack and then dying and him saying "ahh I need more haste for runes"

[sleek wagon]

same

[merry sluice]

NOOOO

lol

haste is the WORST stat for deathbringer

like one of few instances

where ur better off actually avoiding a secondary

[robust urchin]

He keeps going on about it

[merry sluice]

in favor of something else

[lusty grotto]

yeah you only do 5% or some shit

[merry sluice]

deahtbringer only wants enough ahste to get 3 bloodboils in on their reaper's mark

anything else if of little offensive or defensive gain

[ebon sandal]

Is there a talent point or something where charge breaks root? Or is it for arms/fury

[robust urchin]

The last two IDs, I passed on heroic weapons for him and some other guy

I feel like I made a mistake

The other tank, I feel like it's slowly dawning on him

He's always like over aggroing because he just does his normal rotation

[sleek wagon]

intervene breaks roots in cata but not retail ;_:

[robust urchin]

And I can hear frustration in his voice

He at one point went "I over aggroed again apparently the new weapon didn't do much for you"

I almost cried

[lusty grotto]

feelsbadman

[merry sluice]

an old guild i used to be in

i was on my pally with a warrior co-tank

[robust urchin]

Maybe I'm just a playa hater

[merry sluice]

man's kept losing aggro by spamming whirlwind 💀

[rustic latch]

is there a replacement for spell reflect essentials

[robust urchin]

Kek

[hasty palm]

@strong forum Thanks a lot for all your advice ! My charr is fix, thanks to you ❤️

[robust urchin]

I used to over aggro in wrath by just using devastate from bear

I'll try and see if I can get the tank spot in s2

[merry sluice]

pug cot time wish my soul mercy

[robust urchin]

You got it champ

[foggy ingot]

I've felt good on my CoT

[robust urchin]

Keep this in mind I did a cot with the same guy and he just tanked the orbs

Didn't even bother moving

Or dndieng the adds

[lusty grotto]

i mean

hes a BDK but

as a tank you should get 3-4

its better that it goes on you so healer has an easier time

with healing the group

that shit that people do that tanks shouldnt get orbs is the wrong way to do that boss

[robust urchin]

Huh? Oh no my guy I'm talking about last boss

[lusty grotto]

oh jesus

BDK pinball

[robust urchin]

Don't worry he didn't bother doing any orbs on third boss

I had to do most of them

While also trying to do most of the DPS

Also also

First boss cot

He fucked up the ground stuff

Didn't tanked the second boss together

First pull on the first boss we died because he literally didn't bother moving him at all until w people were dead

[lusty grotto]

so whats the lore behind him is he a friend of someone?

[robust urchin]

I told him that he casts an AOE right before that and he can use it to position himself

[lusty grotto]

why isnt he perma benched

[robust urchin]

And he said yeah I know

[robust urchin]

Dude don't get me started

He only plays female pandas

[foggy ingot]

You can literally just backpedal and not get hit by the circle

[robust urchin]

And is super into anime

And here's my hot take

Ok but keep it to yourself

[lusty grotto]

jesus fuck

[robust urchin]

He always kept on about how he really wished pandas could be druids

And how he loves Pandas

[lusty grotto]

i mean pandas look swag

[robust urchin]

And my theory

[lusty grotto]

ngl

[robust urchin]

Is that he only rerolled BDK to be a panda

[lusty grotto]

i love when i get panda in the atomic recalibrator

[robust urchin]

He pulls that shit out every single pull

[lusty grotto]

thats a W on his part

[robust urchin]

I'm honestly at a point where I'm just fuming with rage

I just can't take it anymore

I don't care how much he loves Pandas and anime

Please just talk about anything else for once

He's also like "helping" out another guild on our off days

Because he's apparently a raid leader there

[lusty grotto]

[robust urchin]

This might be like super toxic

But he sounds like every "that guy" reddit story ever

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[robust urchin]

I guess I'm just frustrated a bit

Despite being casual I still feel like people should at least try and be good

Maybe I'm a casual elitist

Like I don't even have KSM yet

I'm like 30 points away

[lusty grotto]

ok sims are in for me

dawn and dusk

[proud dock]

went into a key, but reason why i asked if there was something that could alert you to something behind you was because sometimes camera angles mess up the POV and or i wanted to see if my strafe angles were fine

[lusty grotto]

not doubles 🙂

[robust urchin]

I think I should just start tanking more often and just tank my own 7 keys

I average like 1-1.2 mil overall DPS in most of my keys I don't think that's good for fury anyway

[jagged gust]

You really should

[round geode]

does anyone use Sikran's Endless trinket?

just wondering if it's worth for the parry and avoid

[robust urchin]

It looks like a decent trinket if you don't have anything better

@merry sluice whenever you're done with your key. The DK dude goes on about how great the stonevault tank trinket is and how good swarm Lord authority is on dk

[round geode]

I have skyterror and detachable fang at 619, both great for ST, but not so great for m+

[robust urchin]

You know anything about that

[lusty grotto]

skyterror does ok in aoe

[robust urchin]

What ilvl is sikrans?

[lusty grotto]

since it jumps

sikran's is decent

just sim

[round geode]

613, nor upgraded it yet, but only costs valor

[lusty grotto]

[round geode]

I'm not asking in terms of dps

[robust urchin]

Honestly it's probably better then fang overall

[round geode]

silkrans gives slight utility

[lusty grotto]

its fine just sim

[worn coral]

The double guardian pack in the mists maze is really giving me trouble this week, even rotating CDs I eventually just run out of stuff and die. The anima slash is a real problem along with just the high damage output from the guardians and the fox mob. Any advice on how to deal with it?

After a wipe it’s pretty much even more of an uphill battle cause I don’t have any CDs.

[round geode]

sims utility against dps

[lusty grotto]

sikran's sims fairly ok anyway

yes sim

sikrans is a DPS TRINKET

and will SIM fairly high regardless

the parry is a nice bonus

[round geode]

and the movement speed too i guess?

[fluid widget]

sikrans is fun in aoe situations

[lusty grotto]

who the fuck cares about speed no meme

i mean i care, but im memeing when i say it

[round geode]

it's 30% movespeed

[robust urchin]

Sanic teh Godgheheg

[lusty grotto]

ok fine

dont sim

use the utility

[round geode]

lol i already simmed

[lusty grotto]

clearly worth over others

[robust urchin]

You got reversed psycholozied

[lusty grotto]

reflect and spell block

[round geode]

the dps difference is negligible, i'm tryna justify if i want to use 2 on use trinkets because I;m lazy

[lusty grotto]

brother

if you have your answer

[robust urchin]

No

[lusty grotto]

why are you even asking here

if the dps difference is negligible, what possible reason would you have NOT to use sikran's?

[round geode]

extra keys to hit?

[lusty grotto]

link your sim

[robust urchin]

I already feel like I have way too much stuff to press as it is

[tribal glade]

Anyone know if ovinax egg trinker is any good? basically a stat stick

[robust urchin]

transmitter as prot

[lusty grotto]

yeah its decent

not trash, not the best

usable

i use it

[tribal glade]

Would you use it with sacbrood? or should i get a use trink

[lusty grotto]

you dont really "use it"

you can min max the primary i guess if you really want to

but either stacks any way are beneficial

[tribal glade]

I meant would you equip it with sacbrood, or should i get like mastery on use trink

[lusty grotto]

so youre never at a loss

whatever sims best

[round geode]

I see a lot of higher key runners starting to stack a lot of vers - is this a done thing?

[south zealot]

we are so back

[icy flax]

Holy revenge damage

[south zealot]

colossus owns

[icy flax]

What key was it what Ilvl r u

[south zealot]

10 necrotic wake 622

no embellishment

only 619 weapon as well

[icy flax]

622 lmao

[south zealot]

624.6 as arms

[icy flax]

That's the first over 1m tankoverall

[lone kiln]

any1 got a good raid BS WA?

[south zealot]

theres some higher for sure

if i crafted a weapon with embelly easy 1.4m

[tribal glade]

Could you link ur talents for that build? 🙂

[south zealot]

yes but its squishier than mountain thane and i dont recommend it

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[tribal glade]

Yeh, but seems fun to go past 1m overall 😄

[lusty grotto]

progging rash choco?

[south zealot]

brood

[lusty grotto]

nice

[tribal wharf]

no

though i can understand why you might like it

[odd delta]

do you guys constantly open and close mdt during m+ runs? having trouble quickly grasping where i am on the map

[lusty grotto]

yes

[lusty grotto]

2nd monitor -> keystone.guru or threechest.io

[muted grail]

Wait, is this build for raid?

[south zealot]

was what i used in a +10 necrotic wake

i dont really recommend it but its there if u wanna play colossus with itf

[muted grail]

Oh it was key, ngl its nice seeing your detail almost getting that FDK lol

🤌

[odd delta]

do you click anything or just leave it on 2nd monitor and glance at it?

wow really liking three chest. lets me keybind pull by pull

[lusty grotto]

yeah threechest is my go to now

[merry sluice]

i zoned a bit...
stonevault tank trinket? the thing that absorbs on taunt?

i mean. its not the worst but it aint great...
its useless in raid, and its 'usable' in m+ in that it has str unlike some tank trinkets of the past, but i'd run any thing else lmfao

[toxic pewter]

anyone tanked mythic rasha'nan before? how does the tank swap work? seems the boss casts savage assault twice in a row as far as I can tell?

[lusty grotto]

whoa apb is on mythic rasha

[toxic pewter]

yes I finally found a guild

[lusty grotto]

nice!

[toxic pewter]

its a guild full of pugs like me LOL

like its kinda hillarious

just pug players got together and we pugging mythic and shit

[lusty grotto]

you guys are ahead of my guild lol

[toxic pewter]

you will be there in no time

just killed sikran tonight

was a fun fight

[lusty grotto]

yeah bloodbound horror is the only roadblock

until brood

[toxic pewter]

yah its all about the adds on brood

[merry sluice]

i mean if ur group's smart dont bum rush orbs

bdk can solo every other set of absorbs
asusming u mean third boss cot

[lusty grotto]

my guild just made a bad decision last week so we're behind as a result

[mellow quartz]

going from 11s to 12s is so nuts

[merry sluice]

my personal curse in cot is just finding dps refusing to kick the heralds lmfao

and someone standing in narnia on last boss

coag feels chill on bdk
having gone into high CoT on wariror yet but i imaigne its fiiiine

[lusty grotto]

its not an issue

until key levels you

[merry sluice]

you mean until my monk dies to the queen spy frontal thing

and alt f4s

[lusty grotto]

spell block does work there

heavy lifting work

[merry sluice]

i will say though
Whenever i log into grim batol on my dk, i definitely wisah I was on my prot warrior lmfao.

I feel like, even with a rogue, evoker, whatever

[lusty grotto]

xD

[granite pond]

Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife seems to sim really well for AOE - is it bait?

[merry sluice]

i basically have to go asphyxiation to stun the enforcer

and overseer is pray

jsut pray

[lusty grotto]

at least youre playing both classes that can delete tentacles

[merry sluice]

this is true. i take it veyr for granted

also the hatchlings

HOLY FUCK the hatchlings are horrifying on bdk lmfao

it is the one time i legit consider frontline potion as anything but a meme, for the moment DRW goes down

[lusty grotto]

[slate crow]

Folks, if we can choose, which part of the teir set do we break?

[wise zealot]

Are we sending execute at 40 rage ideally, or is there a reason to send it below then? (outside of pooling for Ignore Pain for things like Icy Shard) Guide doesn't have anything and quick glance at the search in here yielded nothing immediately useful besides someone mentioning we should round up all the augs and execute them (based btw)

[lusty grotto]

gloves as stated on the guides in #protection-faq

[bleak breach]

Isn’t it shoulders we don’t use?

[lusty grotto]

gloves

[plush tendon]

Ive never wanted to play my Prot War more then on Rashanan

holy shit he slaps me around

[lusty grotto]

set sims higher without gloves

[slate crow]

Thanks for the info mate 🙂

I mean top io warriors are using the gloves XD but w/e the correct it's to sim

[lusty grotto]

of course they are

they are versa andies

also top io warriors week 2 doesnt mean shit

half the pop is asleep doing the raid

[mellow quartz]

nice and chill 6m dtps for the group lol

12's are another world all together

[lusty grotto]

actually... @bleak breach @slate crow

either piece is fine

nome has a weird inconsistency between the cheat sheet and the overall bis list

[bleak breach]

Yeah, I was looking at bis list

You can’t get crit hast shoulders from one of the m+ I’m pretty sure

[waxen frigate]

just rally 4head

[lusty grotto]

i honestly dont give a shit about gloves, i got myth shoulders

and myth shoulders are also bis for arms

[bleak breach]

How much do you raid apb? I swear you never leave that place haha

[bleak breach]

Yeah fair enough there

[fossil glade]

for heroic ansurek, what are the proper defensives to use to live through liquefy