Aug players should be rounded up and executed
#protection
waxen frigate
plush tendon
Aug helps the survival check
but hurts the overall damage output
especially if you cant make full use of Aug's buffed DPS
its honestly a spec that is easy to play, but made for players that either just like being support (think yummi or soraka players in league) or by very skilled players at high end content with organized groups
9/10 times for a pug 10.... just bring a third dps
mellow quartz
Makes it easier to survive but less overall damage.
sick sentinel
graceful kite
10s are already easy
If you're worried about dying you can literally pull 1 pack at a time and be fine
because all of your depleted will be caused by wipes or even random dps deaths from trash mechanic overlaps/multiple casts going off into 1 dps
I've never played with an aug tho and never will
graceful kite
I'm just doing 10s with buddies not interested in anything else in the game
lusty grotto
yeah aug isnt needed for those
graceful kite
quit the game after aug release
lusty grotto
in fact aug wasnt needed for anything less than in df
chilly brook
Aug is good because it makes survival easier and since survival is such a big deal now with the buff to death time….
graceful kite
dps players really wanted an aug to have a bigger number in details
chilly brook
dps players really wanted an aug to have a bigger number in details
Nah I actually hate that
lusty grotto
dps players really wanted an aug to have a bigger number in details
yes and thats not why aug was meta to begin with
chilly brook
I don’t like not knowing what my actual damage is
graceful kite
I'm talking about my experience I literally quit so didn't have to deal with it
lusty grotto
the common wow player doesnt understand the meta
graceful kite
Aug is good because it makes survival easier and since survival is such a big de...
I don't think it gelps in 10s
lusty grotto
they think VDHs were hot simply because of sigils when it was just a part of it
rough quest
any updated trinket list for m+?
graceful kite
people will die from oneshots not rot damage or whatever aug helps with
chilly brook
I don't think it gelps in 10s
In a 10 if your whole team wipes you lose a minute and 15 seconds
lusty grotto
they think tanks are meta on their own, without factoring group buffing matrixes etc
chilly brook
That’s pretty significant
graceful kite
Does aug prevent wipes
graceful kite
I think you'd be better of getting a ret who has blessings binded
inner wren
let’s all reroll brewmaster
graceful kite
freedom is a great spell I love freedom
graceful kite
brewmaster is insanely fun but feels very weird after pwar
lusty grotto
I think you'd be better of getting a ret who has blessings binded
so 12 of us?
chilly brook
I think you'd be better of getting a ret who has blessings binded
Blessings only help one person
graceful kite
that feeeling of wtf am I in +30 why is my hp just yoyoing
chilly brook
Aug has vers buffs, scales, rescue (shield), omni cleanse, breath of eons shield, health buff (with mini rally)…..
graceful kite
Blessings only help one person
helping one person every pull is very valuable I think
chilly brook
Like it’s not even close
lusty grotto
dont hate, its just a game
chilly brook
Spec is silly, you can’t really deny what it does
lusty grotto
and aug players are 100% not to blame
inner wren
What’s the highest dps tank rn? Dh?
graceful kite
bear I think
inner wren
For m+
jagged gust
You have to admit, aug is the bizarro inverse of warrior, we can't help hating them
graceful kite
vdh prob
lusty grotto
its blizzard making a class have so many survivability tools without being
dotc bear
jagged gust
One presses 2 buttons every second, the other presses 1 button every 2 seconds
chilly brook
What’s the highest dps tank rn? Dh?
If you wanna include one off players who aren’t the norm, it’s brewmaster
lusty grotto
in high keys
chilly brook
Equinox is not human
lusty grotto
nah
chilly brook
But bro is doing giga dam
lusty grotto
dotc bear is higher, it just doesnt survive
graceful kite
equinox monk and andybrew pala are a sight to behold
lusty grotto
similar to colossus
odd summit
is there some trick to double charge when initiating a pull?
not sure if I'm reading the bottom of Dorki's historical actions bar
lusty grotto
ask dorki
jagged gust
no such thing
odd summit
properly or not, but it looks like he just double charges
graceful kite
yea shouldnt be a thing
jagged gust
if you check logs, you'll see charge generate 2 hits constantly
lusty grotto
or in his chat
odd summit
ah ok
graceful kite
Isn't he paywalling his stuff now
chilly brook
dotc bear is higher, it just doesnt survive
Idk bro
lusty grotto
we're not dorki's discord
lusty grotto
they asked for class, not player
chilly brook
He is playing the class is he not?
lusty grotto
or at least thats what i thought we were talking about
brother are you serious
you know theres a difference between the 2
potentially dotc bear is way higher than anyone else
sims back it
its not even fucking close
lusty tiger
Is that a BM doing 1m overall
chilly brook
Yes
lusty tiger
Beast
chilly brook
It’s not meta
chilly brook
BM isnt that good
He meant brewmaster not hunter
graceful kite
btw this week's affix sucks ass
graceful kite
I hate it its trash its dumb
lusty grotto
yeah i mean all tanks are pretty good rn
lusty tiger
Yea but DF BrM didn’t feel great to play imo
lusty grotto
even prot pally slaps
lusty tiger
Is it better now?
lusty grotto
just doesnt survive 🙂
lusty tiger
just doesnt survive 🙂
):
chilly brook
Brew isn’t meta but it’s in the best spot it’s been in for m+ since ever
lusty grotto
2nd highest dps yes
cyan bronze
1st highest being?
lusty grotto
fs vdh is dead last lol
cyan bronze
for st or aoe or key dmg
lusty grotto
tied with BrM
neon elk
If you're worried about dying you can literally pull 1 pack at a time and be fin...
Im not worried about me, more about party xd
cyan bronze
wasnt sure the context sorry, its good uncapped, and good in keys
graceful kite
Im not worried about me, more about party xd
i'm talking about party
visual flume
Newer warrior here. Been playing Prot with guildies in keys since our tank rerolled. Having a good time. Which dps spec would better match with the secondary stats I'll be stacking for prot when I'm not tanking, or will that not matter too much?
lusty grotto
it doesnt really matter, all tanks are doing great damage
lusty tiger
Ppal has good dam? I have a nicely geared hpal rn
graceful kite
Newer warrior here. Been playing Prot with guildies in keys since our tank rerol...
arms
cosmic slate
Anyone know if WowAnalyzer is getting updated anytime soon? Id like to get some feedback from my parses
jagged gust
Newer warrior here. Been playing Prot with guildies in keys since our tank rerol...
arms
chilly brook
Honestly the worst tank it seems rn in keys is blood
lusty grotto
whether one is first, or last, means nothing because the disparity is not significant
chilly brook
They’re just randomly falling over even in like 7s
cyan bronze
blood has one major issue tbf
lusty grotto
thats just bad BDKs
graceful kite
They’re just randomly falling over even in like 7s
cap
jagged gust
the people who play it
cyan bronze
why bring blood when you can bring any other tank and fdk
when fdk is just as tanky as bdk(mostly meming)
jagged gust
I simply don't invite bdks when I'm dps, too many horror stories
graceful kite
Bad players will die on any class
lusty grotto
graceful kite
there are mythic+ booster protwarriors who dont press shield block
and dont speak english
graceful kite
it always was
cyan bronze
and dont speak english
is this related to them being bad or just another statement
lusty tiger
Bad to group with because you can’t communicate easily
graceful kite
is this related to them being bad or just another statement
you cant tell them to press it cause they dont understand
lusty tiger
^
lusty grotto
i dont know what not speaking english has to do with playing badly
graceful kite
nah they're probably iranian
lusty grotto
thats just a dumb fucking statement
cyan bronze
dont think it was his intent, tbf
think he was saying he cant flame for the bad play
graceful kite
it's not about flaming its about asking them to press it so they can be healed easier
lusty tiger
Low English is fine as most things can be communicated, no English is just way too difficult unless they’re already very experienced
I’ve played with some chads from ragnaros
graceful kite
I don't think I ever flamed anyone in wow chat
lusty tiger
Dam ur missing out
jagged gust
Nim just sends straight vibes so that they don't have to communicate with words
cyan bronze
I don't think I ever flamed anyone in wow chat
lusty tiger
Nim speaks Spanish so he doesn’t have that issue
graceful kite
I even said sorry to a shaman yesterday who wrote me a huge message about waiting for him to drink even though he had 80% mana when I pulled 3 mob pack
lusty grotto
im not anyone's teacher unless they ask for advice
cyan bronze
^ easier to just go next
tribal wharf
brew feels really wheelchair lvl 15
fast ridge
In prot war what stats do you prioritize?
brisk finch
I understand the general advice is Beledar's Bulwark is big suck, but Im seeing a handful of highly ranked prot warrs in m+ are still running it -- is there a justification of it if you're consistently able to share it with people who will coordinate to get buff stacks? Or is this just people building it anyway because lmao
lusty grotto
In prot war what stats do you prioritize?
wowhead.com has a list
#protection-faq has links to the guides
hoary pivot
i think i never saw a positive interaction in a pug with one person trying to tell someone else which buttons to press.
graceful kite
I only support people in pugs
hoary pivot
however, since the introduction of the ping system, i actually had a lot of good non-verbal pinging communication in M+ pugs, i really like that addition
graceful kite
true
graceful kite
usually people who bind ping actually know what to do
jagged gust
In a game where being incompetent is considered rude, but commenting on it is also rude
people are funny sometimes
hoary pivot
In a game where being incompetent is considered rude, but commenting on it is al...
i think both of those framings are a problem themselves
jagged gust
if you view that framing as problematic, you have an issue with the game design, not player philosophy though
lusty tiger
If you’re doing a timed key or a logged raid boss, there is going to be some sense of urgency to perform
waxen frigate
ping is by far
I just wish it didn’t hitch on hitboxes so easily
lusty tiger
Hi Amish
waxen frigate
Hi Jerry
lusty tiger
Yogi u need a better name first
tribal wharf
im waiting for a thing to happen
lusty tiger
Liquid said frick walmart
jagged gust
dont forget that cringe dude yelling out some disney kids tv show quote
that was huge
tribal wharf
pallid quiver
however, since the introduction of the ping system, i actually had a lot of good...
I've seen some toxic pinging, and definitely some ego "You all are idiots and I'm the only one in this group with a single brain cell so listen to everything I say" pinging, but almost by and large, all pings have been very useful
tribal wharf
i still think we should have lumbering secondary profession
lusty tiger
What would be the gimmick
tribal wharf
basically new world tree chopping
run up to a tree and chop it for resources
staves and bows, and some weapons like maces, the handles
toys
stable veldt
Still wanna play my warr but thinking of trying tanking. Is prot fun?
waxen orbit
Still wanna play my warr but thinking of trying tanking. Is prot fun?
Yes
MT for M+, colossus for raid
dark cosmos
i mean slightly more fun rn cause its very strong tbf
void mango
There was a fantastic weak aura in DF that gave you an audio queue when a dungeon/raid mob was targetting you with a reflectable spell. Has anyone seen a WW update of that or a version that works with new enemies? (wago.io doesn't have one recently updated.)
waxen orbit
MT plays itself and is incredibly smooth. Invincible and does lots of dam
stable veldt
Sounds like a good time to learn tanking then
void mango
Still wanna play my warr but thinking of trying tanking. Is prot fun?
Can confirm. Prot is fun.
waxen orbit
Colossus is fun because the damage ceiling for it in raid is nutty
stable veldt
I've been dps forever so I think it's time to change things up
dark cosmos
its always a good time to learn tanking
void mango
AOE dam on thane is nuts.
dark cosmos
you can exploit the shortage and carry pugs to victory
dark cosmos
i get invited instantly to everything idk what he means by that but either way youll succeed
waxen orbit
What level of key are you doing and what ilvl
dark cosmos
616 +10/11 2400
stable veldt
My leveling gear is fury, when I hit 80 can I tank normal dungeons in said gear?
waxen orbit
I was sitting perma no invite in queue when I was 605 applying to anything above an 8
dark cosmos
605 for 9s is kinda low atm tbh
dark cosmos
last week maybe not
i mean its totally fine but youre just empirically lower than the average app who gets accepted for 9>
waxen orbit
Ya
dark cosmos
we both know you can do it at 605 thats not the argument
waxen orbit
That’s more so my point
Like, everyone is far ahead rn in gear
So to get anywhere if you’re coming late, push your own key
dark cosmos
he might have gear from fury anyway but ya tru
cold pilot
What should be the prio when using crests to upgrade my gear? Simming every single item would suck ass
cold pilot
yeah same
my back and boots make me want to commit sudoku but idk what I should boost first
jagged gust
Weapons and chest unless you're really trying to min-max the myth from your vault
dark cosmos
actual clown shit
cold pilot
lol
void mango
definitely don't commit sudoku
graceful kite
prot is the most fun tank spec
jagged gust
then what, it's legs helm and shoulders?
void mango
kenken is a much better game
dark cosmos
ya 
i think dk probably is fun i just dont like it
bear and veng i dont like at all
graceful kite
pala and vdh mitigation feels like doing chores and not actually playing
dark cosmos
pally kinda nice so much utility, i find utility more fun than being a solo nerd
cold pilot
idk man, if prot pally was viable, I LOVE divine toll
dark cosmos
ya same
graceful kite
gotta stand in your yellow puddle and not sending fun spec defining spells on cooldown because you need holy power for another mitigation
dark cosmos
one of the most satisfying buttons in the game imo
waxen orbit
pala and vdh mitigation feels like doing chores and not actually playing
That’s bc prot warr design has successfully intertwined higher damage with higher defensiveness for awhile now
soft tusk
@lusty grotto they are talking about your favorite class
waxen orbit
That should be the status quo for tanks imo
dark cosmos
Ya prot is just a much more up to date design than some other tank specs
cold pilot
I wish every class had something as satisfying, even if just the sound, of divine toll
graceful kite
That’s bc prot warr design has successfully intertwined higher damage with highe...
dh without manually casting sigils would be fun
cold pilot
BONG
dark cosmos
playing brew or dk you really feel the like decade old design artifacts
and brew is my fav
earnest nymph
tbh even just the feel of mountain thane in m+ is the most fun I've had tanking in a long time
cold pilot
Remember when Brew was fun as shit cause you could toss kegs everywhere infinitely?
dark cosmos
yes
graceful kite
brew feels like a tank that should have pala's beacon on it
dark cosmos
i remember when brew didnt do no damage and die to everything and have less utility than everyone else except nerfed ass ring of piece
but what can you do
halcyon jungle
what should i do with my weathered crest and the other currency?
graceful kite
what should i do with my weathered crest and the other currency?
nothing
umbral kernel
prot is the most fun tank spec
yea I agree
halcyon jungle
@graceful kite why
graceful kite
If you just started use them to upgrade your gear
dark cosmos
the most fun brew ever was imo was S3/S4 SL
ya last time i liked brew was some time in sl as well, cant remember exactly
umbral kernel
vdh is the most unfun spec ever imo
graceful kite
If you haven't just started you've outgrown them
dark cosmos
ya vdh quite polarizing i feel
earnest nymph
ya last time i liked brew was some time in sl as well, cant remember exactly
it was fun throughout DF, but I thoroughly do not enjoy the hero trees it has now
they feel so boring compared to mountain thane
dark cosmos
also not to be a casual but vdh is ||kinda ugly as hell haha||
dark cosmos
they feel so boring compared to mountain thane
ya
graceful kite
also not to be a casual but vdh is ||kinda ugly as hell haha||
big true
umbral kernel
vdh identity is weird from the beginning
it feels like an afterthought
true dh is havoc
dark cosmos
true dh is dashing through me every few globals with putrid waters on them
umbral kernel
yea
dark cosmos
any other dh is fake
earnest nymph
true dh is dashing through me every few globals with putrid waters on them
healer problem
umbral kernel
no joke and lore aside I hate the fact that defensive cooldowns and offensive cooldowns are the same as vdh
earnest nymph
if they get dispelled on top of you and you get sent flying, just do the proper thing and type healer??? in chat
ez
umbral kernel
you're either unkillable and can play like a monkey while in demon form
when you're not in demon form you're very vulnerable
I tried vdh, prot war, bdk, and bear this expansion
pwar >>> the rest
muted arch
whatd u guys use your sparks on?
halcyon jungle
glad to hear it
dark cosmos
whatd u guys use your sparks on?
Fat 2h cause yolo
Wait this is the prot section nvm
urban portal
no joke and lore aside I hate the fact that defensive cooldowns and offensive co...
Prot warrior is the only one with a fully offensive cooldown
Most tanks have defensive and offensives together
dark cosmos
Prot warrior is the only one with a fully offensive cooldown
Avatar gens a lot more rage and is very good defensively
If you're thane
dark cosmos
whatd u guys use your sparks on?
Most top prot on raiderio right now are crafting 1h which id do personally if I didn't make my offspec wep, for what it's worth
waxen zephyr
I noticed a huge boost to offense and defense after crafting the shield, was pretty cool to see the difference.
urban portal
Avatar gens a lot more rage and is very good defensively
That’s a very recent change
For a long time all avatar did was giving damage
With a bit of rage on top
muted arch
I made shield and binding of binding
binding of binding?
umbral kernel
Prot warrior is the only one with a fully offensive cooldown
you're right but on most tanks you also have pure defensive cooldowns, that's not the case with vdh. What bugged me as vdh was that you could not plan cooldowns without taking dps into account. Paladin, bdk, you can do that. Rune weapon as bdk has a defensive value but it's mostly used on cooldown for dps and resource generation purposes
with vdh it's one dimensional, you have fel deva, brand, meta
dark cosmos
ya i dont like them overlapping completely either
despite my avatar pedantism i agree
muted arch
do you need to use 3 star quality materials for higher ilvl crafting gear?
dark cosmos
do you need to use 3 star quality materials for higher ilvl crafting gear?
as far as ive experienced yes
neon elk
Depends on crafter
umbral kernel
do you need to use 3 star quality materials for higher ilvl crafting gear?
with focus not necessarily
neon elk
Most require it
dark cosmos
all my crafts ive needed all r3 but depends on crafter/recipe
muted arch
for shield lets say
umbral kernel
if you're crafting for yourself and can dump 800 focus on the weapon; why not
yea most crafters won't accept a request for R5 636 weapon without R3 reagents
too expensive in focus
or they gonna charge you mad expensive for the focus spent
muted arch
got it
loud wave
Hey Guys, I am new to tanking and I have a question about stats.. how should I mix between crit and vers? Since these are both DMG and def stats and as far as I know simming isn't showing the whole picture for tanks
loud wave
Then sim for dmg
Ok but should I SIM for a single target or multiple? Since I am playing only m+
wooden widget
My personal opinion on that is single target.
Most packs are gonna have one target with a lot more health. And tyran exists always if you’re going above 10.
loud wave
Alright, thanks for Your answers 😉
dark cosmos
how much does prot stats even change between ST/MT
like our rotations almost identical anyway
dense grove
what should be by first 636 craft guys ? shield right
wooden widget
So you gotta ask the robot
quasi pivot
Does crafting a single 2h unlock cheap upgrades on 1hs as well? Or is it per type, so 1h vs 2h vs shield are all separate
dark cosmos
for craft you also have to be realistic about how deep into the season youll be playing
toxic pewter
Does crafting a single 2h unlock cheap upgrades on 1hs as well? Or is it per typ...
yes 2h unlocks both 1h and shield upgrades so get discount and dont need to use crests on 1h and shield if u have a higher ilvl 2h
dark cosmos
crafting obscure mega-bis low value piece cause youll in theory eventually get some fat mythic drop in the other slots only matters if youre actually gonna play long enough for that to happen
quasi pivot
Oh definitely going to spark craft a 2h then for arms purposes and just valorstone my existing shield and 1h up to match
toxic pewter
yes that should work
wooden widget
Fucking A that’s 5head I wish I had done it
quasi pivot
Mists with the dodgeball nuke add strat seems nice. Hard to get pugs to listen to strats that require positioning though
tribal wharf
i will never be able to enjoy that dungeon, 2nd boss mostly
dark cosmos
i like mists :)
tribal wharf
i think mists is terrible
obtuse egret
I seem to get clapped on pull, whats my first few buttons im suppoesed to press?
tribal wharf
the second boss is just too much crap going on
dark cosmos
I seem to get clapped on pull, whats my first few buttons im suppoesed to press?
charge -> shield charge -> SS/clap -> should have enough rage for IP
quasi pivot
The packs with two guardians are brutal but you can spell reflect the anima slash that really hurts but only every 2nd one so you gotta use other defensives on the odd cycles or when there are two coming at same time
dark cosmos
then you already have IP/SB rolling
obtuse egret
noted, thank you
rigid yew
charge -> shield charge -> SS/clap -> should have enough rage for IP
The easiest way to just stop being giga clapped on pull is to pop shield wall right before / as you charge
dark cosmos
The packs with two guardians are brutal but you can spell reflect the anima slas...
highly recommend spell block for those packs as well if people are having trouble
dark cosmos
The easiest way to just stop being giga clapped on pull is to pop shield wall ri...
ya of course, im sure a lot of people have trouble because their entering packs with IP and/or SB not rolling though
or taking 2-3 globals to get them online
quasi pivot
Yeah for single one I just SR every 2nd one. For double pack I shield wall then spell
Block when it drops
dark cosmos
the charge->shield charge is a little unintuitive
rigid yew
I'm sure it's not optimal or w/e
But my life got so so so much easier once I started pre-popping shield wall on big ass pulls
peak yoke
why chrage vs a defensive
peak yoke
i see
dark cosmos
you dont have enough rage to press IP AND SB on pull
dark cosmos
charge -> shield charge -> SS/clap -> should have enough rage for IP
but this gives you free SB and enough rage for an IP
fossil cloud
What do you recommend I craft with the spark of 606-619? I already have a shield and a weapon.
dark cosmos
otherwise youre in that really akward spot where
rigid yew
I also realized that most of my deaths are having no defense up in the 3 seconds of the first pull, healer is taking time to ramp up heals, and on big ass pulls you can just straight up be deleted. So pop the shield wall, live the intro, all the numbers ramp up.
dark cosmos
youre struggling to keep IP up
ragewise
and youre SB is about to fall off and you need to spend even more rage on it soon
and youre just crying
peak yoke
yes
peak yoke
What do you recommend I craft with the spark of 606-619? I already have a shield...
belt / bracer / boots maybe, something not tier
rigid yew
What do you recommend I craft with the spark of 606-619? I already have a shield...
The answer is almost always lowest ilvl slot
quasi pivot
I went belt, bracer, both with Dusk thread, and now about to do 2H (to upgrade 1h and shield manually after to same level)
dark cosmos
youre struggling to keep IP up
Sometimes you are just taking too much damage too of course, this is kinda the failure mode of the prot warrior. If youre out of CDs and just not able to generate enough rage to keep up IP then theres nothing you can do, youre just taking too much damage, but thats a somewhat rare situation
fossil cloud
any special belt?
dark cosmos
and might usually have more of a strategic/pull differently/etc kinda fix than a rotational one
rigid yew
Sometimes you are just taking too much damage too of course, this is kinda the f...
that's when you start blaming the healer
quasi pivot
Just the 619 plate belt, crit haste missive, dusk thread embellished.
dark cosmos
I also realized that most of my deaths are having no defense up in the 3 seconds...
I think most of my deaths are like 30 seconds into a pull when im just out of gas
and things aint dying
but again if youre pretty geared i find those pulls preeeetty rare as prot, were very tanky
rigid yew
and things aint dying
time to blame garbage dps
cerulean tusk
On pull, just throw in rav for dam and parry, shieldcharge for shieldblock and pop ava/demo - ya wont die
You shouldnt struggle with rotting away as a warr either
sounds like a healer issue
versed hedge
Guys guys guys do you ever run out of shield block? Feel like I have a 3 second gap sometimes if pull lasts long enough
cerulean tusk
Btw, after tanking Spidor as BDK in Ara - going in as prot warr was a whole different game.
Tankbuster? 300k total? pshtsh
dark cosmos
rav is another damage cd thats secretely a defensive :)
cerulean tusk
Guys guys guys do you ever run out of shield block? Feel like I have a 3 second ...
If you struggle with uptime, it is due to low haste and talents - just make sure to bring the mods
waxen frigate
Guys guys guys do you ever run out of shield block? Feel like I have a 3 second ...
Post talents
tribal wharf
i ran +3 ara kara and solo'd final boss from liek 70 m hp
dark cosmos
Guys guys guys do you ever run out of shield block? Feel like I have a 3 second ...
spec issue probably
with talents you can be waaaaaaaaaay above 100% uptime (not that you always want/need to build that way)
versed hedge
I’ve been using dorki’s build
strong forum
versed hedge
That’s what I thought too when I took it
dark cosmos
"team will do it"
cerulean tusk
Well, to the problem at hand
take this one
should solve any issue you got with uptime
versed hedge
Ah yeah that explains it.
dark cosmos
i mean you max defensive capabilities are higher with into the fray
but you have to play around it very carefully yknow
very seldom correct to take it especially if youre pugging
versed hedge
Tbf I don’t feel not tanky at all. I feel immortal. It’s just was wondering why when I swapped builds my shield block wasn’t up 24/7
versed hedge
Sad only 17k
tranquil sluice
++56
dark cosmos
Tbf I don’t feel not tanky at all. I feel immortal. It’s just was wondering why ...
if you arent having SB run out during pulls then eating shit from it then youre all good
i just dont trust pugs to not randomly die and have the pull extended by 20 seconds and slowly sink into the ground
dawn geode
Dorki’s build will definitely deplete many keys in pugs
dark cosmos
its a different story if you need to live the entire first room on ara 13
and if your dps dont blow it up the key is sunk either way no matter if you have SB up that long
same with dorkis routes on wago tbf, aint no way im doing a lot of those pulls in pugs even with 2500 players
versed hedge
Yeah highest I’ve gone is 11s and it’s usually not me dying with that build. Usually healer or Dps dying and rip 15s per deaths
waxen frigate
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/blizzard/CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEDAAAAzMz...
Don’t play Itf
It’s just not viable right now
waxen frigate
same with dorkis routes on wago tbf, aint no way im doing a lot of those pulls i...
Using r1 routes in pugs is actual proof of brainrot
dark cosmos
i mean people just wanna know what to pull dude
waxen frigate
i mean people just wanna know what to pull dude
Yeah but using complex routes that require coordination isn’t good
versed hedge
^ I don’t use r1 routes but usually you kinda get an idea in what to pull
waxen frigate
Raiderio weekly routes or just hold w is the way to go in pugs
waxen frigate
Second I see a route with a skip or some shit I just close it and disregard it for pugging
Not worth it
Not needed at the level where you aren’t coordinating anyway
versed hedge
depends on what key levels ofc.
You need to do skips if trying to do near title level key pugs
dark cosmos
i dont think his routes even have skips that i can remember, they just have some big/dangerous pulls id never do in pugs
there not unreasonable enough that as a new player id assume "these arent for me"
anyway idc make your own routes its fun
waxen frigate
You need to do skips if trying to do near title level key pugs
Which is where you’re coordinated
And at this point in the season most people barely even know the dungeons let alone routing tech
waxen frigate
anyway idc make your own routes its fun
Based and real
I hold W until I die to something
dark cosmos
also historically pugs did skips all the time even at like weekly 15 level
waxen frigate
Then I go back and hold w up until just before that point
dark cosmos
i would trust pugs to skip 900x more than id trust them to like
ranged kick something so i can pull 2 packs at once
or los when its not super obvious thats what were doing
dawn geode
how do you guys tackle this area in siege
dark cosmos
(or just trust fury/frost dk to let me aggro anything at all)
rigid yew
Discord being slow for anyone else?
dark cosmos
how do you guys tackle this area in siege
ya very tricky
honestly i play it very safe and kill the shitter pack on the right by itself basically
then hope to god my group has grips/ring/something and just pull the bottom right back right into the corner
then by the time the pat comes most of that pack are dead and its ok to chain
If im in voice i just pull all 3 at once and its usually ok but i dont risk that at all in pugs
dark cosmos
honestly i play it very safe and kill the shitter pack on the right by itself ba...
this is kinda slow but that area is just too monka to mess around in in pugs
dawn geode
ya i've tried doing the solo pack on the right in the corner but very sus with pugs, tried pulling them into the 2 solo gutters but still sus
dark cosmos
it doesnt help that people constantly ass pull the pack to the right just out of that picture too
coming down the stairs
smoky anvil
it doesnt help that people constantly ass pull the pack to the right just out of...
Why’d you gotta say that? I was having a good day and now I have ptsd
dark cosmos
Why’d you gotta say that? I was having a good day and now I have ptsd
i got my portal im literally not re-entering that dungeon ever again LOL
ill push title with a siege 10 i dont CARE
plush path
hi
dawn geode
even the packs before the boss can be sus, i've had frost mages ninja pull with their frostsplinters
plush path
did they increase champions spear range?
dark cosmos
even the packs before the boss can be sus, i've had frost mages ninja pull with ...
i honestly think that is just a weird bug and can happen with any group
literally like 40% of my groups pull the boss during that pack for seemingly no reason
that whole dungeon is unbelievably scuffed in just so many ways
ivory light
is there a WA that yells at you if you can reflect something for this xpac yet
dawn geode
it was bound to return i hated it back in BFA also
dark cosmos
the second pull of the dungeon sometimes you have mobs just get pulled and teleport to you through the floor to you, ive had the guy below the first floor walking on the catwalk get pulled during the first pull too, 2nd boss gut shots people while shes in mid air or if you have to step out of ordinance for 1 second, 3rd boss dissapears if he walks through the statue weirdly, last boss the orbs come from the OCEAN
i can probably think of like 5 more to mald about but i wont keep spamming about my hatred for siege
waxen frigate
is there a WA that yells at you if you can reflect something for this xpac yet
No but I can join vc and scream at you
dawn geode
i've had the enforcer underneath magically appear on 1st pull once
dark cosmos
the actual dungeon is pretty easy honestly too it just takes so many tries to not have something clowny happening between asspulling and actual straight up bugs
anyways!
obtuse egret
inner wren
Tbh after all the changes siege is pretty chill
dawn geode
i am very annoyed at the orbs on last boss
lets just have 8 of them come from the water btw the water kills you and slows you
rigid yew
2nd boss of AraKara
Orbs come in behind the boss from the storm/death side
graceful kite
same fun stuff on dawnbreaker last boss
rigid yew
Badly designed affix that has already been implemented and fixed before... as is tradition by Blizz
mellow quartz
lets just have 8 of them come from the water btw the water kills you and slows y...
Was hotfixed
small path
how do you guys tackle this area in siege
Pull pack with fire bomb dudes at start, then jump down and do the alliance route
dawn geode
last boss GB i can imagine the orbs would get fucked there also
willow portal
guys picked up prot this xpac, got a doubt
u guys using spear route on your builds or nah?
cyan bronze
don’t you have to pull an extra raider alliance side
graceful kite
spear is good
cyan bronze
seems ass
small path
roar>spear for M+ imo
south zealot
u guys using spear route on your builds or nah?
as thane yeah
south zealot
really really good with your ravager and thunderblast
vivid orchid
spear has less talent point pressure
small path
roar is getting the nerf
fair
violet ginkgo
roar is getting the nerf
I think this is more into colossus question since Thane is spear.
damn out of nowhere roar getting nerf
south zealot
i dont think any of the warrior changes are going to go through without any other changes
bc none of them really make much sense
graceful kite
i dont think any of the warrior changes are going to go through without any othe...
they will
proud dock
supose i have sac, hook, and larynx all same ilvl. is going sac+larynx an option? i imagine the aoe pulse might be useful as a pickup mob/threat gen as im pulling pack to pack.
graceful kite
supose i have sac, hook, and larynx all same ilvl. is going sac+larynx an optio...
sim it
graceful kite
you shouldn't have any threat issues as a warrior
violet ginkgo
For real though why limit from 8 to 5 while I think there are other spec with no limit? I heard FDK and Ret Pally like that aka no limit??
proud dock
you shouldn't have any threat issues as a warrior
ok yea, thats wat i was getting at, thanks
graceful kite
yo have a lot of cds, got frontloaded damage, no problems with synced melee swings, gap closer and an aoe taunt if things go really wrong
waxen zephyr
Sometimes you are just taking too much damage too of course, this is kinda the f...
Running into that as a 607 prot in a +7 siege and I can't get enough rage after the CDs are up on some trash pulls. Guess I'll just die.
hexed onyx
616 champ track weapon + shield I've got 2 619ilvl embellish already should I craft a weapon or shield? do you think, and then look to recraft it all at myth when I get the stuff?
elder lagoon
does anyone have a WA that tracks shield block uptime?im actually a weakaura boomer or else i would just make one
maiden flame
hey, I recently turned protection warrior and can't get it to do damage in raids, what's the secret?
mighty valley
Running into that as a 607 prot in a +7 siege and I can't get enough rage after ...
how are you prioritizing abilities/rage spend? i can't imagine being in a rage starved situation these days on thane
dusky hare
Anyone manage to do Zekvir Tier ?? as prot?
chilly brook
Running into that as a 607 prot in a +7 siege and I can't get enough rage after ...
you're either not pressing buttons enough or you're pressing IP too much
waxen zephyr
In the beginning of some of the trash pulls on that, I was just blasting IP and SB, trying to throw in the occasional revenge to get a SS proc for more rage.
mighty valley
Don't blast IP so much that you're literally empty
waxen zephyr
Yea, I try to balance it out a bit, I just was watching my IP get chunked in the beginning a lot.
graceful kite
Running into that as a 607 prot in a +7 siege and I can't get enough rage after ...
that's really weird
chilly brook
Yea, I try to balance it out a bit, I just was watching my IP get chunked in the...
don't
pay
attention
to
ip
graceful kite
who cares about ip
mighty valley
You'll be better off literally never watching your IP value/timer
dark cosmos
Running into that as a 607 prot in a +7 siege and I can't get enough rage after ...
that can be totally valid though if its just more damage than youre supposed to be able to take, its not like you can sustain IP through any amount of damage right
chilly brook
that can be totally valid though if its just more damage than youre supposed to ...
7s should not be hard at 607
mighty valley
we don't need to talk in condescending tones to new players lmao
chilly brook
I'm running full damage build on brew in 8s
graceful kite
In the beginning of some of the trash pulls on that, I was just blasting IP and ...
are you using cooldowns?
waxen zephyr
7s should not be hard at 607
The whole group was struggling, no one was interrupting but me too, so that didn't help.
dark cosmos
I actually didnt see he said +7, but ya if the group isnt inting and youre taking tons of extra damage that can just be valid and not really your fault (rotationally speaking at least)
chilly brook
we need logs
waxen zephyr
are you using cooldowns?
Cycling through them, the 6s are generally no problem, I have to guage out the pug group an what they can handle at the start.
chilly brook
but fairly certain you're likely overpressing IP
considering you said you're watching it
dark cosmos
although its of course likely you also have rotaional and CD management things to clean up ofc, not swweping that under the rug
graceful kite
if you provide a clip or log that would be really helpful but you shouldn't struggle to survive in 7s unless it's a clusterfuck 5 web bolts and whole party is dead situation
mighty valley
yeah the whole group needs to learn to play
spell block can help on caster heavy packs tho
waxen zephyr
but fairly certain you're likely overpressing IP
I very well could be, I will try to be a bit more mindful as I move into the season further and get more experience with the spec. It is a ton of fun overall and I am very much enjoying it, just that +7 siege was one of the roughest I've done so far.
mighty valley
and you've got an interrupt, two aoe stops, and a single target stop, make sure you're using them
graceful kite
can you screenshot your details death log?
south zealot
siege has a couple rough enemies
hexed schooner
but fairly certain you're likely overpressing IP
Shouldnt i spam IP 24/7 ? I do keep enough for SB and it's 100% up
chilly brook
Shouldnt i spam IP 24/7 ? I do keep enough for SB and it's 100% up
press IP to not cap rage
hexed schooner
I sneak some revenge here and there as well
graceful kite
Shouldnt i spam IP 24/7 ? I do keep enough for SB and it's 100% up
you press it at 70+ rage
mighty valley
you end up pressing IP a whole ton but the common mistake is ending up with too little rage to revenge and missing a whole gcd
waxen zephyr
I try not to spam IP too much, I mainly try to make sure I have rage for SB and cycle in my revenge hits to get extra SSs for more rage.
dark cosmos
Ya im ean its just not that simple i feel
chilly brook
It's very simple
graceful kite
are you using thunder clap?
dark cosmos
you end up pressing IP a whole ton but the common mistake is ending up with too ...
because this is true but you also sometimes cant really afford to not have IB for a couple globals
chilly brook
rage at 70 or above press IP
dark cosmos
youre not on a dummy
chilly brook
it's really as simple as that
hexed schooner
Ya im ean its just not that simple i feel
It's, just about managing extra damage or not
mighty valley
sometimes you should press it below 70 to anticipate big rage gains
bv and outburst etc
chilly brook
just like for arms you press MS on CD and make sure you have enough rage to do so
hexed schooner
Alright will try to cast more revenge and see how it goes
graceful kite
you use revenge not in place of ip
mighty valley
it's just as simple as - is your GCD constantly spinning? if yes good (assuming you're doing the priority right)
onyx sand
hey guys, can u share me maxdps build with maybe vampirism for fast push my bro in dungeongs from 70 to 80 (im big ilvl for this dungs)
graceful kite
you use it if both slam and clap are on cd
tardy burrow
I posted in log review but didn't get much feedback, anyone willing to check over some logs and see where I messed up, mostly cd usage and SB uptime and what not.
chilly brook
because this is true but you also sometimes cant really afford to not have IB fo...
almost all situations going without IP for a couple globals isn't going to be the difference between life and death
hexed schooner
I miss legion IP man
earnest nymph
I miss legion IP man
how was legion IP different?
mighty valley
the burst survivability effect of IP is very low, sure there are edge cases where you need everything you can get but risking killing your rage engine to shave off one ip's worth of damage is rarely correct
chilly brook
there's almost never a spot where you just don't have rage gen enough to press it
graceful kite
I think legion ip was 90% instead of 50
tardy burrow
how was legion IP different?
Legion IP was OP, it was dubbed "ignore mechanics"
hexed schooner
how was legion IP different?
With ip back then u were unkillable
small bone
Is there a way to tell in Details! if a Prot Warrior is using his Shield Block?
graceful kite
you're unkillable now
chilly brook
Legion IP was two states
earnest nymph
how was it actually different haha
chilly brook
100% HP or dead
there was no inbetween
but prot warrior is practically a brick wall when played properly as is rn
waxen frigate
Legion IP was two states
Like the dakotas?
chilly brook
Like the dakotas?
yep
waxen frigate
Interesting
chilly brook
Also I'm slackin Nish
violet ginkgo
but prot warrior is practically a brick wall when played properly as is rn
I see. thx for the info matt. I will try to play better then.
dark cosmos
Is there a way to tell in Details! if a Prot Warrior is using his Shield Block?
aura uptime ya
waxen frigate
I left your moms jaw slacking last night
earnest nymph
did it just absorb a higher % of damage back in Legion or?
violet ginkgo
wtf Nish
chilly brook
did it just absorb a higher % of damage back in Legion or?
90ish% and it stacked way higher in terms of absorb amount
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
That was also in wrong talents lmao
violet ginkgo
the team is beasting, gg 90 parse
earnest nymph
I'm still at like 603 ilvl
waxen frigate
the team is beasting, gg 90 parse
The rest of the group are HoF raiders
I’m just the rando tank who’s friends with the healer
mighty valley
we're in patch 1 and seeing billion damage overalls, this expansion is gonna have dumb numbers
chilly brook
But I'm still able to hit like 700k overall so I think I'm doing ok ish
dark cosmos
bring back 10k max hp tank plz
chilly brook
the number doesn't matter tbh
waxen frigate
Small numbers were more fun I’m with yarn
Seeing mages hit 100k s1 sl MDI was so lit
chilly brook
maybe I'm weird
waxen frigate
It feels more grounded to me
mighty valley
yeah it doesn't super matter in the end but when everything starts to hit 7 digits everything just blends together
chilly brook
but smaller numbers is just same same but different but still same
dark cosmos
ya i mean we all realize it doesnt actually matter....
waxen frigate
but smaller numbers is just same same but different but still same
It’s not though because every number feels more noteworthy
mighty valley
i think the thing they can never roll back is the number of numbers
south zealot
Small numbers were more fun I’m with yarn
i agree but it doesnt really matter to me
waxen frigate
hitting a big 53 crit feels pathetic
Shadowlands s1/2 had a good balance
chilly brook
Yeah well you do low numbers anyway so
hey I'll have you know somehow I hit 3rd boss of Siege for 2m on a TP
waxen frigate
hey I'll have you know somehow I hit 3rd boss of Siege for 2m on a TP
Highest I’ve hit is like 3.8?
dark cosmos
for me its just that when you have 103,124,314 hp, 5-6 digits of that is literally irrelevant, why show it at all (which is why your UI is probably just 103m but my point stands)
its not like i really care though i just like the look of smaller values, im not playing maplestory
south zealot
constant stat squishing is pretty annoying though
so idk how theyre gonna go about it
had a squish then a level squish
chilly brook
oh we're gonna get one
dark cosmos
constant stat squishing is pretty annoying though
idk how else theyd do it though, theres been 10 xpacs haha
wed have like 25 digit hp values now
chilly brook
Legion had one because numerically the engine wouldn't be able to keep up
coral wolf
does anyone know if you can leap to dodge anima slash in mists ?
chilly brook
and we're basically back at Legion levels
mighty valley
yeah i think the biggest difference in vanilla is that every spec was simpler and you only saw a few numbers at a time, with occasional "oh shit 3000"
chilly brook
so we're gonna get one
mighty valley
now you have a billion damage effects spewing out numbers all over the screen
dark cosmos
yeah i think the biggest difference in vanilla is that every spec was simpler an...
This to me is more important, everything feels very diluted in retail number wise. Not a big complaint because I love retail gameplay but thats definitely a difference between classic and retail
chilly brook
yeah i think the biggest difference in vanilla is that every spec was simpler an...
Honestly imo the biggest difference with vanilla in feeling is the fact that CDs were just much more powerful
south zealot
very huge damage cds break the game unfortunately
waxen frigate
Honestly imo the biggest difference with vanilla in feeling is the fact that CDs...
Vanilla’s issue to me is that so much of it is just spent doing nothing
chilly brook
very huge damage cds break the game unfortunately
oh for sure
chilly brook
Vanilla’s issue to me is that so much of it is just spent doing *nothing*
big time
maiden flame
I have a question, should I ever thunderclap on single target or should I just fish for shield bash?
south zealot
army+garg+pi omega top boss damage forever
waxen frigate
Playing vanilla feels like RuneScape
dark cosmos
vanilla WISHES it was runescape
south zealot
infernal/incarn means youre pulling 30 enemies
waxen frigate
I click the enemy and watch my guy fight it while hitting a button sometimes
mighty valley
I have a question, should I ever thunderclap on single target or should I just f...
thunderclap is fishing for shield slam
chilly brook
I honestly really like FFXIV because it has the "vanilla feel" while also being a completely modern game with legit storytelling
maiden flame
thunderclap is fishing for shield slam
oh I see, so should I use it only when I don't have shield bash?
waxen frigate
I miss swtor
chilly brook
SAME DUDE
dark cosmos
oh I see, so should I use it only when I don't have shield bash?
yes only when you dont have SS
maiden flame
ty
tribal wharf
"vanilla" runescape was something else "DO U KNOW WHERE I CAN MINE IRON???"
mighty valley
oh I see, so should I use it only when I don't have shield bash?
yeah, if you've used all your cooldowns, you should just always be pressing shield slam > thunderclap > revenge, whichever is available
dark cosmos
sometimes you will just press SS 5 times in a row thats life (the good life in fact)
waxen frigate
Something I really want to do someday but probably never will is take 8 CE WoW raiders into swtor and just blind prog every raid in release order
maiden flame
does it change in aoe? or should I keep shield bashing regardles?
chilly brook
It's a shame that game didn't receive the developer support it needed to be relevant
waxen frigate
Not fully blind I guess since I still remember various things but everyone else be blind and just come up with our own strats and such
plush path
hey
waxen frigate
It's a shame that game didn't receive the developer support it needed to be rele...
Yea
plush path
how can i view parses compared to ppl with my ilvl?
dark cosmos
does it change in aoe? or should I keep shield bashing regardles?
i forget the cutoff but even 5-8 you are still shield slamming first (except maybe for initial threat)
waxen frigate
Swtor to me is what wow is to many people
chilly brook
it's in the parse
mighty valley
does it change in aoe? or should I keep shield bashing regardles?
same priority in aoe. except if you have Violent Outburst ready, you can spend that on Thunder Blast instead of Shield Slam. but you don't need to worry about that til you're comfy with the basics
plush path
it's in the parse
?
chilly brook
it will show overall and ilvl in the same log
maiden flame
all right, thank you guys, that helps a lot
dark cosmos
I think he means see similar parses from others
in which case click the big "compare" button on the top right ish
plush path
i dont know how to use logs
plush path
i was just curious if it was comparing to my ilvl or not
plush path
bro i dont even know how to open that tab up D:
mighty valley
ilvl parses can be a little wacky sometimes since the sample size gets chopped way down
strange wedge
is rashanan being immune for 30 seconds normal?
chilly brook
I parsed an 85 overall on that but a 92 in comparison to other WWs at 605
chilly brook
yes but keys are wacky
dark cosmos
thats just an overview of your highest logs for all the fights/dungeons
and ya key parses are kinda 
chilly brook
if you click on it and then hit damage done at the top in the next window you'll see what I posted
plush path
and ya key parses are kinda <:weird:718676218500874320>
wdym weird
tribal wharf
what do you guys say to put on shield for crafting
stark jewel
yo guys, was wondering if there are any dungeons this tier where its not worth running spell block? and go for tough as nails instead
tribal wharf
i have 30 points in shield crafting, and rest of the other stuff
dark cosmos
wdym weird
just too many variables to garner much from
tribal wharf
only other thing i need is framing, crests and enchanter
dark cosmos
if your tank pulls twice as much at once youll parse out of your mind, it has nothing to do with you though. Obviously raid parses have the same "problem" but not to the same extent
and the sample size sucks cause its split for every key level i think?
i mean i hope it is at least, ive never looked closely
i dont think many people are actually uploading their +11 [insert dungeon] logs
plush path
if you click on it and then hit damage done at the top in the next window you'll...
bro i might be handicapped but i cant find that button
dark cosmos
bro i might be handicapped but i cant find that button
its ok this is a warrior discord
you have to clikc an extra time
dark cosmos
click the necrotic wake, it will show at able of parses (might only have 1 thing in it), then click a row in that table
chilly brook
because it wasn't logged
dark cosmos
oh well it just doesnt exist then, its just from raider.io as a run completed but doesnt have a real log
er from the blizz api not raider io i guess but
you smell me
plush path
i smell u
dark cosmos
so what does the percentile even mean on m+ logs lol
waxen frigate
Next to nothing 🙂
dark cosmos
like mine seem to be higher if the key level is higher
but then surely it has to do with dps too somehow
dark cosmos
oh its literally only based on key level and time? like leaderboard style?
waxen frigate
The one on the right is your Dps relative to other pwarr’s at the same key level
plush path
so parse % doesnt matter for tanks on m+ or doesnt matter for anyone
dark cosmos
ah ok
waxen frigate
so parse % doesnt matter for tanks on m+ or doesnt matter for anyone
Anyone
dark cosmos
so parse % doesnt matter for tanks on m+ or doesnt matter for anyone
for anyone, for m+
plush path
dam
dark cosmos
its literally just score from that key
waxen frigate
Open up a m+ log and screenshot it I’ll point out specifically what I’m referring to
On mobile so can’t
wide charm
So around the +10 area for keys, are you guys using defensive stance more than battle stance?
I'm getting some feedback from my healy buddies that DKs and Druids just straight up are easier to heal
dark cosmos
these numbers
dark cosmos
So around the +10 area for keys, are you guys using defensive stance more than b...
i never go in bstance anymore personally
waxen frigate
these numbers
Yeah like open a whole log
dark cosmos
its just so little extra damage now, im sure theres times i could use it technically but its like...
wide charm
yea I wonder if I'm having a "old habbit dying hard" type of situation, it doesn't reduce your dmg anymore
waxen frigate
Those numbers are just relative to key level and timing
dark cosmos
its not like in DF at all
wide charm
should I just sit in it more?
plush path
should I just sit in it more?
ur good staying in perma defensive stance imo
unless you are a top 1% player
waxen frigate
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DahHXgB3yknMjwzK#fight=2&type=summary
Just open the damage done tab and screenshot it
Doesn’t show properly on mobile
dark cosmos
ooooh him ok mb
plush path
wide charm
ur good staying in perma defensive stance imo
around what key level are you doing where you're recommending this --- no offense I'm just trying to get an idea of what people are doing at what levels
I'm trying to push to 2600 right now
jagged pier
i smell point keys
waxen frigate
Parse % = the key level and timing, damage or any other number is not relevant
Key % = Dps ranking relative to others at the exact same key level
plush path
around what key level are you doing where you're recommending this --- no offens...
ill keep it a g i havent really played war within that much but personally i was in perma defensive stance in df as well
waxen frigate
(Or if you opened healing, the key % would be HPS)
valid bridge
Can I get a crazy check: we dont need to time the key for it to count towards vault right?
dark cosmos
why 99 and not 97/98...
thorny stone
Can I get a crazy check: we dont need to time the key for it to count towards va...
you dont
waxen frigate
So relarive to others of their same spec at that key/level, the rogue and priest got r1 for damage, aug was really low
waxen frigate
why 99 and not 97/98...
Those rankings tend to reflect highest at the time not up to date. You’ll see the same thing looking at raid parses/ranks
dark cosmos
Those rankings tend to reflect highest at the time not up to date. You’ll see th...
so wait is the 99 out of date or the 97.5 out of date
waxen frigate
You can have a 100 parse show on the summary screen but not-rank 1 showing because the parse percentile is a snapshot of when it was parsed, rank is up to date
dark cosmos
/which one is "at the time"
dark cosmos
99
aaah right ok i understand thank you
cause its going down the leaderboard over time
i see
sharp gale
i will craft the weapon 636 what should i craft ? embellished or not ?
tribal wharf
T9 delves hurt alot more than t8
waxen frigate
i will craft the weapon 636 what should i craft ? embellished or not ?
shield > weapon > embellishs
And can embellish shield
waxen frigate
Weapon not embellished then since you want the lining or whatever it’s called now
The crit thing
And I don’t think that goes on sword
sharp gale
i made crit emb shield since i had 4% crit at the moment i crafted
sharp gale
weapon embellish bad ?
sharp gale
or is it the 636 lack of 3 ilvl to 639 ?
waxen frigate
You will want a 639 eventually but it’s hard to get one easily
sharp gale
ye will do unembellished weapon, thanks dude ! just checked mists uptime lining is kinda really good uptime x)
neon elk
Why tf are BS mats so damn expensive
waxen frigate
Why tf are BS mats so damn expensive
All mats are
But it’s the alloys
They need null stones I believe
Which are uh… GIGA expensive
neon elk
have u seen LW ones?
waxen frigate
Yes I main monk
neon elk
i can get same item as leather for like 7times cheaper ..
waxen frigate
Had mfs trying to charge me 100k for my belt
neon elk
lol
tawdry seal
is there specific haste threshold where i can maintain 100% uptime of SB with Into the Fray instead of Heavy Repercussions?
waxen frigate
There is but I don’t believe it’s feasible at current ilvls
Not sure what it is off the top of my head
dusky canopy
is there specific haste threshold where i can maintain 100% uptime of SB with In...
4206.9 haste
tawdry seal
really? seems too low, now i have 11.7k haste
waxen frigate
Where you at
Air Force base
maiden forge
He meant 42069
tawdry seal
ah
dusky canopy
Oh yeah sorry 42.069% haste
waxen frigate
Air Force base
Predator drone is en route to yogi’s dwelling as we speak. APB has already been eliminated.
wide charm
ill keep it a g i havent really played war within that much but personally i was...
I think it makes sense though, in BFA the tradeoff was more sharp because you dealt reduced dmg --- not the case anymore
maybe the answer in higher keys is just to rely more on Dstance
cold zealot
I have been playing around with these two trinkets in raid and m+ and tbh they do almost no damage. Barely 1% of my overall in both scenarios. Are they just that bad and the DPSTrinket nerfs hit us hard or is there sth else going on.
At this point id rather run swarmlords for some more healing....
cold zealot
It sims really good but in an actual fight its doing 1% overall
cyan bronze
Trinkets are dogshit this tier yes
cold zealot
Either sims are overcalculating it hard or there is an issue
cyan bronze
Been done known
cold zealot
Sure but isnt a stat on use better than silkran trinket?
cyan bronze
sim dif
stat on use arent great either
they dont provide much this tier
also are you looking @ all three sources from sikrans trinket? iirc theyre not cumulated on details
dim girder
He meant 42069
Ovinax Mercurial Egg seems like a great trinket. 3k stat upgrade on moving and strenght on stationary seems amazing.
maiden forge
No idea, I haven't looked at prot, was memein
cold zealot
also are you looking @ all three sources from sikrans trinket? iirc theyre not c...
Its 1.7% then, still barely noticeable....
quick bramble
what is the correct spell id to blacklist ara-kara broodsac effect on the enemy?
cerulean tusk
ST
cosmic canyon
Even so should be higher yea?
cerulean tusk
Held for shieldz
dark cosmos
does mage mass barrier generate threat for the mage when you take hits?
cosmic canyon
20-25 sec cd or something with all the triggers from slam/exec?
cerulean tusk
Sounds about right
cosmic canyon
❤️ pew pew!
waxen frigate
does mage mass barrier generate threat for the mage when you take hits?
Why would it?
Do any absorbs?
cerulean tusk
Anyone know the PPM of
rough gate
How do you guys sim prot gear sorry if it’s a simple question but I’m not sure
cerulean tusk
I just do standard 1t 5min sim
rough gate
Okay so just your standard sim I was jw if there was something else for more mitigation and whatnot
cerulean tusk
We dont have sims for the defencive side of things, sadly
graceful kite
why would you need them
rough gate
Okay so how do you judge what piece is an upgrade/ what to wear bc dps isn’t the end all be all obviously
graceful kite
Okay so how do you judge what piece is an upgrade/ what to wear bc dps isn’t the...
dps is the end all be all
you sim it
cosmic canyon
Anyone know the PPM of
Think I ran it once. If I recall correctly it was 40% uptime in a m+. But the damage was shite at the same time (details)
cosmic canyon
How does the last part translate to dmg mitigation though? - 25k doesn't sound so much
cyan bronze
Why trinkies so bad for tanks
Why trinkies so bad for tanks
cerulean tusk
25k on our power mitigation is huge tho
cerulean tusk
Spider boss on a 10 hit me for 175k each hit of his buster, -25k on that is actually impressive
cosmic canyon
25k on our power mitigation is huge tho
But, is that how it works?
cerulean tusk
Should be part of absorb layer, so ye
graceful kite
just equip stonescales
I hope some dude like dorki does a top key with wax plating just to see the influx of people spamming about it being good in discord
oblique radish
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2p3XvQ8NxMWbBuQ1GaLGnS
got 90 Gilded crests and a spark. what sould i craft? any ideas?
cerulean tusk
I post it in here I am using em, and it immedialty gets fixed... They hate warriors huh - clearly.
fathom magnet
when should you use violent outburst procc with shield slam or thunerclap (Mountain Thane build)
cerulean tusk
TC is blast and 2+ targets or something is optimal
rest is slam slam
so I just clap
cause Nome cant stop me
clap clap clap
merry sluice
and once again, another trash shaman once again shows that fotm rerollers are both bad at the game and stupid
dude tells me to set my pc on fire and the world would "be better without me" bc i didn't "move qadds out of green poop"
you know
adds that fixate dps lmfao
also 400k hps overall in a 10 lmfaO
pugs are wonderful
dark cosmos
Why would it?
i mean im literally asking LOL
absorbs count as healing on meters, healing generates threat
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