protection

[blazing condor]

[queen musk]

I'm simming but is this good for prot?

[blazing condor]

seems alright

depending on the ppm

[vivid orchid]

its not too high

about 0.5

[blazing condor]

only really bad if it hits haste but even then its fine

but idk if its worth for mastery and strength

its just a stat stick

[waxen orbit]

Nihilist prot warr be like

Embrace Pain

[vivid orchid]

if it hits mastery or vers, and even crit its not that noticable tbh

about 5% subtractive~

overall id prefer a sacbrood for a passive trinket but

its valid to use

[queen musk]

yeah my sacbrood is low ilvl and I have not been lucky with trinkets so far so this will have to do

[patent swallow]

What is all the good warriors doing in like high keys to get into a pack first. I had a 12mists that the hard pack of the labyrinth nuked me right as soon as i got avatar and sheild wall off the rip died in two autos. Almost sure also had a sheild block charge casted and did endup spamming ignore like i usually do off gcds but still flopped.

[oblique radish]

SB is the most important defensive

[patent swallow]

Is this like i ask for external on entry or do i prio somehow to juggle ignore pain

It is safe to say it was running

SB

[oblique radish]

demo shout?

[patent swallow]

idk im still learning

Died before

[oblique radish]

maybe dont learn on +12 then xD

[patent swallow]

Had to grab avatar and sheidl wall instant

Well its more nieche packs i think

[oblique radish]

avatar should be used every pack so

[patent swallow]

Just dont know what prio

Yes

[oblique radish]

i ussually charge, then do the SHield charge, ignorepain/SS macro and demo shout

then juggle

if i dont have shield charge upp its SB demo, IP

[patent swallow]

Wait the macro

[stable shard]

hello guys do you know where can come from double nameplate affixes?

damn i can't find

and the one behind is less accurate sometimes

[oblique radish]

yeah so it just cast ignore pain and SS at the same time, but it helps if SS gets of CD when u press IP

its like free 30 rage sometimes

[patent swallow]

Ahhhhh thats usefull

[oblique radish]

yep

and ignore pain is cast before, so you never lose the rage

[patent swallow]

I mean i main outlaw so ivebeen not too bad on spamming stuff nonstop but yea that can help a lot

[oblique radish]

#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

[patent swallow]

Easy ima do it; we got 2 more 12s xD

[opal forum]

this macro is good for learning, but its not optimal to play with, especially at +12

[patent swallow]

O?

[oblique radish]

why?

[strong forum]

No, it's still optimal play

[oblique radish]

i never played with it until this exp actually, and it feels amazing

[patent swallow]

o...o

[strong forum]

That macro will simply make you play better

[oblique radish]

i think so too

[patent swallow]

Easy thats what i like to hear

[strong forum]

If used as ignore pain keybind*****

[oblique radish]

there really no downside

[strong forum]

This is not your regular keybind for SS, only ignore pain

[opal forum]

if you have a seperate SS keybind yes

[oblique radish]

ye

[strong forum]

Yeah that's the whole point of the macro vracoum

[opal forum]

then i misunderstood

[oblique radish]

the macro would be garbage without it

[strong forum]

Yeh all g

[patent swallow]

Ye i am pressing two buttons around same time like a Vanish into BtE instant as the combo points come in. But for ignorepain and shield slam.

So this really helps

[oblique radish]

Its just cause SS can get of CD completely random

[patent swallow]

Yea i press nothing sometimes

[strong forum]

Devastator go brr

[patent swallow]

But i do it anyways

If nothing cast i immidiately already press next

But the macro seems insane

[opal forum]

ive seen people just using the macro with nothing else

[oblique radish]

dafuq

[opal forum]

i thought that was the case here

my bad

[oblique radish]

that would be a pain

[patent swallow]

o...o

[oblique radish]

How much dps gain are the 4 set?

[patent swallow]

Not as much as the 5 set (8

[oblique radish]

:3

[ripe blaze]

It's about 80% then? :P

[stable shard]

is there a world where we craft neck ?

i dont see any gd neck in m+

[strong forum]

0.8% on single target

The full tierset is a 1.6% gain

[strong forum]

Raid has good necks

[stable shard]

i dont raid

can't find a descent good 2 raids guild

[strong forum]

You should, atleast 4/8

They're entirely puggable

First 4 are complete pushovers

[stable shard]

i did 7/8 first week but didn't back in since

[strong forum]

Otherwise stonevault neck is the only neck with haste

But I urge you to atleast kill 4/8

[stable shard]

still waiting for blizzard to completely separate raid and mythic+

with same ilvl

[digital sandal]

Need some help, should i craft a 636 shield as i have been shafted with loot luck. my guild isnt getting aotc anytime soon so wont have access to queen shield for maybe a few months

[strong forum]

Sikran has big neck, good trinket, rashanan has big neck, cloak and trinket

Bloodhorror has good ring
First boss has shield and trinket

[strong forum]

Yes

[stable shard]

just go kill the first one in mythic it's 1 pull

there is a shield

[strong forum]

Yeah first 3 mythic bosses are a lot easier than heroic queen

[blazing condor]

usually is like that

[digital sandal]

tyty but we're stuck 4/8 got 8% enrage on brood

H

[strong forum]

Oh

[merry raft]

Spell Block-to allow the blocking of any spells for 30 seconds. Do you have to have Shield block active at the time? or its press it and yolo :)?

[strong forum]

Yes

Shield block puts your block chance to 100%

You can't expect to block a spell, if your block chance isn't 100%

[merry raft]

Good to know 🙂 makes sense even 😄

[stable shard]

so what should i craft for the 3rd ?

[hasty palm]

Any recommandation for trinket ? Where i can find the best one for dps as tank ?

In 4part roar can be with thane spec for a good synergise ?

[strong forum]

Weapon/shield/embellishments if you haven't done any of those yet, otherwise just fill out low ilvl slots

[strong forum]

There's no inherent syngery between thane and thunderous roar

[earnest cove]

BigWigs + WeakAura

[oblique radish]

Still on 2 set cause unlucky. Guess its not prio then.

[main dove]

Just wondering, can't sim because I'm at work, but is Gathering Clouds that much worse than Thorim's Might?

[hoary pivot]

@strong forum would it make sense to link the reflect / block sheet for the current expansion ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml )in the wowhead ability section about spell reflect and spell block and maybe also link one of the spell reflect weakauras in the weakaura section?

[north sequoia]

When im doing a key and i first open on a pack sometimes i instantly get clapped from 100% to like 20%. should I be trying to use a CD before I get to the mobs so the inital spike isnt as bad?

[hoary pivot]

For me, setting up a pull (playing as Thane) to be in your "safe" rotation takes a moment and feels a bit dangerous too. What helps me besides committing CDs (Ravager, Shield Wall...) is to make sure to think about the next pull at the end of a pull, e.g. not spending some rage to make sure that you have some SB / IP at the beginning of the next.

Obv depends on how far they are apart

Also really try not to get hit in the back, happens easily when collecting pulls

[north sequoia]

thank you, ill try to pay more attention. It could just be me getting hit in the back I guess im not sure lol

[oak quarry]

Hey I feel like it's a basic question, but picking Spear instead of Roar is purely for cc ?

[zealous goblet]

finally got 90 gilded crests

time for a 639 shield mehtinks

[jagged pier]

Nope, more rgae gen more damage etc etc

[cosmic slate]

Has anyone tried if intervining with the magic shield thing helps with Ansurek Liquefy or Gorge?

[simple drum]

Sheesh how long that take

[jagged pier]

636

[zealous goblet]

too long

wait shield is top prio right?

i forgor on the guide

[stable shard]

possible that is the spell reflect WA ?

[earnest cove]

No, SpellCooldown from Meeres and overlay from new BigWigs Namplate Plugin

[hollow aspen]

Does crit/versa embellish scale with ilvl ? I noticed the ascension doesnt, or maybe tooltip error

[earnest cove]

No

[deft hinge]

to make a WA that warns you when getting hit in the back, is that advanced to make?

[neon elk]

Im not quite sure u can make that , can you?

[earnest cove]

Positional things are not possible to track afaik. But you could make an alert for unblocked hits with a log event

[hexed moth]

any suggestion after shield do I craft wopean or (wrest / waist)

[graceful kite]

if yu dont have a weapon craft a weapon

btw I have enough concentration to craft a weapon on ravencrest so if someone's not willing to pay cartels ping me

[terse swift]

Is cross-realm possible?

[glass sequoia]

What's the tradeoff on dropping a talent for Disrupting Shout?

The only options are bloodsurge or champion's bulwark

[strong forum]

You drop bloodsurge if you need Disrupting Shout for whatever reason

[graceful kite]

only in the same guild I think

[terse swift]

Ah okay

Thanks anyways tho!

[glass sequoia]

Can spellblock work on individual ticks of an applied DoT?

[dim girder]

Wondering what a good % balance is on haste and versatility.

[graceful kite]

35% haste to use into the fray talent other than that you just sim for dps

answer to stat balance or priority is always simming

[dim girder]

Are you saying 35% + into the fray, sounds insane.

(In a good way)

[graceful kite]

haste gets better the more you have it and itf gives you a flat nondiminishing amount

but you need a lot of haste to achieve 100% block uptime (tho with previous week affix giving 20% haste you could've played itf already)

[dim girder]

Yeah, insane haste last week.
Ima try focusing haste.

[hoary pivot]

You mean that we need a lot of Haste to get 100% uptime when taking ITF right? With HR we have 100% uptime either way?

[graceful kite]

yep

[glass sequoia]

Is Defender's Aegis a competitive choice to Impenetrable Wall?

[graceful kite]

is it 2 charge shield wall?

[glass sequoia]

Yeah

[graceful kite]

no not really

with wall you have 40-1 min cd on sw

aegis had a very niche use case in temple of the jade serpent in dragonflight and maybe in some other dungeons but current pool doesn't have anything like that

[stable shard]

you sure?

dorki is playing with 2 charges

i also do, its comfortable

[glass sequoia]

I asked that for the same reason - I was watching his 12 SV run, looked stable

On an ST fight, he managed get his SW back in a minute due to AM

[stable shard]

the time you use the 2nd charge the first one is back so

its just probably 100% 1 charge uptime

in bank

while you don't have it for 40sec with wall

[glass sequoia]

I think if you're really good at squeezing every last drop of value out of AM and Impenetrable Wall, it's strictly better than Defender's Aegis

[stable shard]

why should we do effort to manage something

when u can just have 2 charges and chillin

[glass sequoia]

IW on aoe pulls is exceptionally good cos of mountain thane's talents

[wicked pollen]

just play what you want then

no one is forcing you to play talents

[stable shard]

we have a discussion

can we?

[glass sequoia]

I think you could make a case for either depending on the type of dungeon and where you're threatened the most

I've done NW on an 11 & 10 where I pulled the two large packs upstairs

and towards the end of the pull I got flat out deleted cos tenderize was at 4 stacks

and a bone claw does like 4.2 mil dmg

and unless you have shield, you can't really afford to go into that pull w/o SW up

at least I can't

cos I'm fresh out of rage from Amarth and flying up, and Demo doesn't do enough

[stable shard]

tbh question is not really on SW charge etc its more than does the 4 rage more is game breaker?

[glass sequoia]

I think so, because of how important SS becomes with that talent

it's double dipping into SW cooldown reduction

Not only does SS reduce SW cd by 6 seconds, but you add another 0.4 sec reduction per SS use

and we're basically machine gunning SS now

[stable shard]

yeah but u highly prefer spam revenges in packs usually no?

[glass sequoia]

Do we? I usually just send everything into IP and revenge a lot less

I haven't done analysis on good prot logs yet

[strong forum]

Revenge spam is only as colossus

As thane you bounce between tc and ss

[glass sequoia]

all excess rage is dumped into IP right?

[strong forum]

Yes

Double SW is troll in pretty much every scenario unless you need 2 SWs within 20 seconds or 4 SWs within 2 minutes

Which pretty much doesn't exist

Unless you fuck up your CDs

Cuz you're missing out on 25% extra rage generation on shield slam

For no good reason

[vague abyss]

i barely hit revenge, only if i have a spare cd, but usually i dont

[glass sequoia]

Oh I didn't think of that

[stable shard]

first war prot in SV 11 hit 160x revenge

[strong forum]

Yeah that's nothing

[stable shard]

its only procs?

[strong forum]

Compared to 450 shield slams and 400 TC/TBs

[vague abyss]

but how? im pressing SS and Thunder Clap asap, and those gets online with pretty much anything of us

[strong forum]

You don't care about the proc you only use revenge to apply deep wounds in aoe and to reset shield slam

[vague abyss]

so i dont literally have the time to use revenge

[strong forum]

You think you don't

But logs don't lie

Only people

[glass sequoia]

At what point does Fray take precedence over Heavy Repercussions?

[strong forum]

Whenever you can guarantee high block uptime

Last week the affix carried block uptime a lot

Cuz you get the free 20% extra haste very frequently

[vague abyss]

i really need to learn how to read logs, i just checked my logs and... damn i feel like im just slightly above average tank :x

[strong forum]

Those are just points

Aka, compared to highest key done

Has nothing to do with performance

It's just how high were the keys you did

[vague abyss]

oh its not comparing with other tanks of the same key?

[strong forum]

No, not when you're on points

You gotta filter by damage

[vague abyss]

huh? no data? im pretty sure im uploading my logs with the warcraftlogs client

[strong forum]

This is my points

This is my damage

[wicked pollen]

with the cursed execute build 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-12629347036627000898

[strong forum]

Alot of tanks do horrendous dmg output

[wicked pollen]

im a dps player

[strong forum]

Yeah

[wicked pollen]

all i do is my rotation

[strong forum]

And dps players are the better tanks

Nothing new there

[wicked pollen]

true

[keen epoch]

yeah tank mains seem especially bad this xpac ngl

[glass sequoia]

Haven't seen much Bolster this season, do you see its value in any specific dungeons?

[strong forum]

No

Bolster is only played when you get a specifc extra bonus tied to it

Like DF s2 tierset

Outside of that bolster shouldn't be played

[keen epoch]

I liked bolster gaming in S2

[molten gorge]

was shocked when I saw that my logs aren't bad at all for tanking, legit fresh to it for the expansion and haven't played warrior since OG Wrath (didn't have logs on for my NWs)

thought i was gonna be like full blues or something cause new to it

[strong forum]

M+ best% are a meme

[molten gorge]

true

[strong forum]

Cuz if you do max weekly keys, you already get a 99

Cuz majority of players is not able to

[snow gulch]

Couple questions about Bloodbound horror heroic

I am happy with the placement of the beams etc but the only thing I am struggling with is my position coming in and out of the "shadow realm". When the frontal is going to happen, do I need to be stacked with my group on where the adds are going to spawn, or just stay stacked opposite where the other tank is then rush to adds? I imagine it's easier to already be stacked on where the adds are going to be right? When coming out of the shadow realm and waiting for the other tank to get the frontal is it just a case of adjusting my position to stay opposite theirs etc?

[strong forum]

Anywhere that isn't the other group

Literally doesn't matter where you are until you place the beams for the other team

[wicked pollen]

usually just perma across other tank no

[glass sequoia]

For the class talent tree, do you see going down the left side as a viable option? Taking Wrecking Throw + TR?

[wicked pollen]

never can mess it up

[strong forum]

And after that you want to pre-position closely to the next add spawns

[molten gorge]

for damage you mean? or points?

ig both tbf

[wicked pollen]

damage

[strong forum]

Points

[wicked pollen]

shit

[keen epoch]

Yo wasn't there a time when we had aoe shield slam tier set thing or am i going crazy?

[molten gorge]

ya the ones I linked are damage

[green bronze]

its best if your group is following you and you premove to the place with 2 pillars of void, its where the 2 adds will spawn

[strong forum]

Then you're doing alright

[jagged gust]

s2

[strong forum]

Compared to others on the same level

[molten gorge]

🤝

[green bronze]

the other group has to move accordingly to your group

[molten gorge]

I NEED to get better with rotating defensives still

[strong forum]

I'm moreso surprised that my logs aren't all 100s...

Cuz...

[molten gorge]

[strong forum]

I literally have r1 mists and nw

I think

[snow gulch]

awesome ty!

[green bronze]

didn't dorki do mists on 13

[jagged gust]

isnt dorki that guy who makes tier lists?

[glass sequoia]

Is armored to the teeth ever worth giving up in favor of this?

[strong forum]

Not talking about pushing keys

[opal forum]

is alchemical chaos flask worth considering? or is it troll

[strong forum]

Pushing keys rn is for degenerates

[wicked pollen]

no

[strong forum]

Never

[strong forum]

It's the best flask

[green bronze]

but r1 means the highest key or am i mistaken?

[strong forum]

Damage output

But mekes got a record over me cuz he's key was faster

I did more dmg but his key was faster so his log dps is higher

[wicked pollen]

you would be dropping 10% of your total strength for 0

[green bronze]

where can i see dps ranking for m+, would love to see where i stand

[jagged gust]

sort by damage

[green bronze]

on raiderio?

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/39#boss=62290&bracket=10&metric=dps&class=Warrior&spec=Protection

Here

[molten gorge]

quick question actually, my haste has gone up significantly, should I run into the fray yet or? (for m+)

[strong forum]

I've not run without ITF yet

Cuz keys don't hurt at all rn

And we had a haste affix last week to cover lack of haste on gear

Dunno about this week

[molten gorge]

Hmm ya, I've definitely had some yikes moments, but I think it's mostly me fucking stuff up

[strong forum]

In keys over 12 I'd recommend HR, probably

[molten gorge]

so like the packs after the first boss in Siege

I feel like I dip

[strong forum]

Cuz I'd rather have full SB uptime when shit starts hurting

[strong forum]

Yeah, don't pull that

The mobs do a curse tank buster that increases your dmg taken

Big nono pack

[glass sequoia]

How much haste are you guys sitting on rn?

[strong forum]

17k

[wicked pollen]

11

[glass sequoia]

how tf

[molten gorge]

I need to get some proper routes off people that aren't just ones I came up with myself

[strong forum]

I've put up my 1 siege run that I did on YouTube

Can just copy that route ig

It's super pug friendly

[molten gorge]

I shall look, tyty

[wicked pollen]

https://keystone.guru/routes/bfa/siege-of-boralus

[molten gorge]

ooo thank you 🙏

[wicked pollen]

but prob listen to nome

i legit have 0 clue about prot

i just do damage

[strong forum]

99% of routes are just hold W anyway

[wicked pollen]

^

[strong forum]

Cuz you can't skip anything

[wicked pollen]

there is some choice in which warlocks yuo do in gb

or if you do an extra dragon

but really w

mr nome how cursed is crafting ascension on a weapon for prot

[strong forum]

Pretty stupid for m+ cuz you run into high chance of losing the stacks

And they take over 2min to build back up

[wicked pollen]

for raid crank?

[strong forum]

Either go lense or dusk/dawn

For raid lense is better

[glass sequoia]

Outside of crafting, there are no heavy haste necks in the game? (except delves)

[wicked pollen]

sikran neck

[molten gorge]

watching you do this is kinda funny, cause I am definitely doing some scary pulls, like that pack in the archway, I've been pulling that with the packs on the right or into the left next to the patrol

[glass sequoia]

Oh

[molten gorge]

or at one point i was pulling the one to the left with the archway pack

[strong forum]

Ye that's pretty dumb

[molten gorge]

[strong forum]

If your goal is to time the key

[molten gorge]

I've timed them on 10 doing that but ya

scary

[strong forum]

People thinking "go big or go home"

Nah fam it's

"go big and then home"

[molten gorge]

hahaha

[wicked pollen]

how are you rotating cds for aggro on last boss of gb and 2nd boss of nw

[strong forum]

Too many keys bricked cuz people think they need to go ham

?

Wdym rotate CDs

[graceful kite]

link?

[strong forum]

Just do dmg

[wicked pollen]

dps cds

[strong forum]

My YouTube is linked

Cooldowns on cooldown

[graceful kite]

just searched it nvm

[strong forum]

Aoe taunt when you don't have cds

[wicked pollen]

I usually cant get aggro on the small guys that spawn on gb and then never on the spawns in nw

[strong forum]

[wicked pollen]

unless i taunt or use ravager

idk

i send a tc revenge tc

0 threat

[strong forum]

Haven't had that issue

[wicked pollen]

how ar eyou positioning vs the knockback?

or just charging back in

[strong forum]

I kinda don't

I did the key only once

Just made sure there's no tentacle behind me

Rest is just leap or charge back in

[wicked pollen]

i swear im just getting gaslit by dps who send all cds onto the spawns

then i cant get threat

[strong forum]

That's pretty shtoopid

The boss has to die

The adds do nothing

I think

[wicked pollen]

they yell about aggro as if im not sending everything

nah they make you take extra damage

[strong forum]

Idk Just do dmg

[wicked pollen]

yeah

[strong forum]

Works for me

[molten gorge]

if they die they buff shadow damage

so you don't want to nuke them instantly lol

like the dps should wait until after his AoE

then blast

[strong forum]

See

Shootpi dps

[wicked pollen]

not even that

they are getting meleed

instead of ccing them

then they cry

[molten gorge]

just tell them to hold aoe until after the boss does his nuke

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/bSbQp.gif

[glass sequoia]

Is ravager ever worth not taking?

[wicked pollen]

no

realistically the only talents you can change is VO for BSV

[glass sequoia]

Yeah that was my thought

Thought I don't think that playstyle works well for warriors

if you're brought sub 30%, you've messed up already

[wicked pollen]

also saw some guy play this but its 99% because he was doing a 12 at 612

[jagged gust]

looks like a pretty dumb build

Like solidly stupid choices

[glass sequoia]

Why did he drop FTF if he's doing a 12?

Wouldn't you want that passive magic dmg reduction

[stable shard]

ravager sucks tbh

[wicked pollen]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackrock/Shuhwar idk you ask him, his info is on raiderio

idc enough

[jagged gust]

Kept CB but dropped SpB for Bolster regardless, dropped EA for BSV

and yet went 2/2 endurance training

This is why basing builds off some random person doing a 12 is a weird idea

[stable shard]

thats not a main tank so he's just trying things ig, full dmg build with ravager and revenges

[wicked pollen]

I would imagine doing a 12 week one is more about damage than living

also ara kara does 0 damage to tanks

[jagged gust]

and yet he dropped several DPS talents for pointless defensives

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/bSbQp.gif

[shy frost]

Rolled to prot warr from druid. It feels a bit adhd because of the proccs. Do you guys get used to it? or is it taxing over time? :p

[strong forum]

Good keybind for IP matters

Beyond that, have had 0 issues in the past 10 years

[shy frost]

calming..

my IP bind is a bit awkward. will move it to "E"

[jagged gust]

My personal advice is don't put IP on the same hand you do your rotation with

[shy frost]

move it to the mouse?

[strong forum]

I have full rotation on same hand

Works for me

[jagged gust]

yeah, along with SB

[strong forum]

But I also work in manual labour

So my hands are used to physical strain

[inland raft]

ya even with limited hand mobility in my left hand i manage to do everything one hand, only things on my mouse is movement stuff

[jagged gust]

nome's idea of manual labour is playing the piano apparently

[strong forum]

Electrician thank you very much

[jagged gust]

oh hey same

[shy frost]

SB= ?

[jagged gust]

kinda, signals and comms

[graceful kite]

Playing the piano is pretty hard actually

[jagged gust]

sb = shield block

[shy frost]

lol.

[strong forum]

Electrical panels here

The heart and brain of things

[inland raft]

i cant even fully extend my fingers, have nerve damage from my army time, only thing that gets me is i sometimes fat finger things but generally its easy having it all bound next to wasd

[karmic gyro]

Does 2 charges of Thunder Blast have priority over Shield Slam in single target?

[strong forum]

No

Shield slam still hits harder and generates more rage than thunderblast

And TB can reset SS but SS can't reset TB

[karmic gyro]

Okay that's what the priority list says in the rotation section as well, but down under it goes "Now because Shield Slam has a 35% chance to grant Thunder Blast that means that in the scenario of having 2 Thunder Blast charges you immediately want to ensure to consume at least 1 charge before sending your next Shield Slam to avoid wasting potential further procs."

[strong forum]

Yeah

It's a bit conflicting to properly figure it out

[karmic gyro]

Yeah no worries, just got confused

[lunar widget]

Did someone try the last boss of Siege with this week affix ?

[strong forum]

Orbs spawn in water

Big nono dungeon

[inland raft]

think it was fixed, did it last night and they all spawned on the ground

[strong forum]

Ight

[lone kiln]

My healer bullied me into running a swarmlords. It does seem to be helping, but it feels wrong. How do we feel about that trinket and DEF trinkets in general? I cant tell if there was a legitimate need of it, or if its a bandaid fix for a bigger survivabilty problem. for context, ran keys at +4 with 606ilvl sith some survivabilty issues and ran them at a 7 with 610ilvl, 2 set, and a swarmlords and very litte survivability issues

[inland raft]

only one that went in water is because was moving platforms and it took direct path, other then that was fine

[strong forum]

It's mostly a bait trinket

It's a trickle absorb that won't make you suddenly survive a dangerous mechanic without the additional use of other CDs

And contributes basically no dmg

And I've tanked +9s literally at 590 ( I think) ilvl and it was omega fine, it's all down to personal and group skill when it comes to keys

I have the trinket but haven't found any legitimate use for it cuz keys do negative tank damage from my experience

[hoary pivot]

IP bound on A, move with WER, does not feel taxing to press

The hard thing to get used to for me is that IP is off GCD but on its own CD. Happens rarely, but sometimes if you want to dump twice, it feels a bit out of rythm

[graceful kite]

what were the issues?

[shy frost]

thats a twist to it.. :p

[jagged gust]

you gotta get in to a tempo of using your IP cd inside the gcd, so you stagger them

[hoary pivot]

move with WER has made keybinds so much better for me. sudenly, QAZ1 etc are good keybinds and your pinky is no longer useless

[jagged gust]

SS > IP > SS > IP

[glass sequoia]

How's swarmgland?

[earnest cove]

Try monk 🤣

[jagged gust]

and if you wind up accidentally near rage cap with IP on cd you should have a stack of sb to help blow through your rage

[shy frost]

will check it out.

thanks1

[strong forum]

Yeah its apparently a very unpopular opinion when I say that among my friends

Vdh pally bdk and monks alike disagree with me

[graceful kite]

I think below 12 all tanks are alright

[strong forum]

I'm just there like "haha block go brr"

[earnest cove]

I play monk as alt and it is a different game

[earnest cove]

Yes

[strong forum]

*public note: this has been the case since bfa

Just so people don't start thinking that it's new that prot doesn't take dmg

We never have

Only bad ones did

[graceful kite]

I actually don't know brew niche if I can call it a niche

[hoary pivot]

i always keep SB on CD, so that rarely happens. i press IP between GCDs, but sometimes i end up wanting to dump twice in a row, e.g. if a rage generating CD is coming up next global.

[earnest cove]

Brew can handle it with some gear. But in comparison it’s just painful to play against warrior. Playstyle is still fun though

[glass sequoia]

Monk got done so dirty by the last minute nerfs*

[graceful kite]

Like bdk is soloing keys, warrior isn't taking damage, vdh is taking damage outside of cds but in cds it does such insane dps that pulls die a lot faster and pala takes damage but stops and reduces so much of it on a party that its a good tradeoff

monk is taking damage and requires healing while not providing something in return

[jagged gust]

If you're playing ITF that's definitely more of an issue, but with HR you can even just let your SB stacks sit at 2 without worrying about uptime

[hoary pivot]

im playing HR right now, new to the spec and that sounded less error prone

[hoary pivot]

if i hit SB on CD, am i overcapping SB buff length?

with HR

[jagged gust]

but yeah you gotta prep for your burst ahead of time, you know demo ravager spear sc is gonna rocket your rage gen through the roof

[jagged gust]

It really doesn't matter, but with SC you will at times

max duration in 3x the buff timer

[hoary pivot]

i see, did not think of that thanks! maybe i will change my shield block WA bar to display the max length with a cutoff to be able to see that properly.

[jagged gust]

so technically SC+ blasting through all your SB charges into a SS would potentially lose an entire second of uptime, scary stuff

[inland raft]

With hr it should be impossible to ever drop block unless simply dont press ithalf the time i find myself with 15-20 seconds of block uptime and pressing block to spend rage and prevent capping charges

[molten gorge]

I've been running it just to try it out, it does seem to be high on my healing at least

Whether it's useful healing or not idk

[inland raft]

Just ask yourself if you would actually die without it, answer is likely no

[molten gorge]

Ya almost certainly not

[livid meteor]

I use it to learn the dungeon each time i level up and what it harder or not. Especially as I'm not yet used to some dungeon I only did once or twice. ^^

[jagged gust]

Healers typically fucking love prot wars because of our proactive mitigation, if they're whining about your damage intake you gotta ask yourself if either your healer is really bad, or maybe you're taking too much damage from a lack of defensives

[livid meteor]

Also it helped me in pug when they somehow pull the entire earth in siege of boralus ahah

(hello boomy)

[inland raft]

Boomies just helping you speed run

Starfall should be given a tricks modifier so any aggro from it goes to tank

[shy frost]

any tips for how to read wowlogs to improve on prot?

like, what do I look for

[hazy pumice]

Does the voice for the Ignore Pain yell sound different if you change race?

Same Q wrt demo shout/heroic leap

[jagged gust]

oh absolutely

female gnome is adorable

[hazy pumice]

which races aren't obnoxious

[jagged gust]

It's like if a chipmunk had a battle cry

[alpine flume]

That's one way to put it

[hazy pumice]

warr is currently a goblin and it's driving me nuts

[jagged gust]

better take that steering wheel out of yer pants

[alpine flume]

One way you can try to test is to use the toy that lets you change races (think it's random though) near a training dummy and spam ip

[hazy pumice]

good idea, ty

[shy frost]

any tips for how to read wowlogs to improve on prot? like, what do I look for

[jagged gust]

your blocked hit %, and your casts per minute

Your casts should reflect your rotation priorities, and your blocks should be as close to 100% as you can make it

[muted plover]

Nightborne

[hexed schooner]

I put IP on scroll down. Don't even have to think about it now

[jagged gust]

you should also be checking your rage loss from overcapping, and what abilities you tend to overcap with the most

Personally I used to have an awful habit of overcapping when shield charging

[earnest cove]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mutesoundfile could try to mute it

[junior ivy]

Is there a new expansion out

[tulip warren]

yes?

[junior ivy]

Is it good

[sweet summit]

yeah but the dungeons stink :3

[earnest nymph]

imo very fun so far

[wicked oriole]

What are people crafting with their third spark? Is a shield or weapon viable?

[junior ivy]

I haven't played since legion ended

How many expacs since then?

[earnest nymph]

the dungeons are far better than dragonflight season 1 was

uhhh

[sweet summit]

4 i think?

[earnest nymph]

this is the fourth since legion right?

yeah

[inland raft]

Idm the dungeons really, not great but not bad

[junior ivy]

Wow I missed a lot

Is there any new races

[sweet summit]

way too many

[earnest nymph]

tbh, two of those expansions were suboptimal

[sweet summit]

we got like 4 with bfa, one with dragonflight and one with tww

[junior ivy]

Wow

I gotta look this up

[earnest nymph]

more than that

[sweet summit]

MORE?!

[junior ivy]

I doubt I'd ever saitch from gnome warrior though

[earnest nymph]

didn't each faction get 4?

[junior ivy]

Switch*

[earnest nymph]

so like 8 in BFA and then more since then

[sweet summit]

yeah the two latest ones are neutral

no?

[junior ivy]

Ok wow I'm googling

[jagged gust]

off spec

[earnest nymph]

10 new races total since Legion, two neutral

[glacial spear]

So how do people recommend simming, I recall yesterday someone saying 5x patchwerk 1 minute for raiding and 1.5 minute for mythic+?

[jagged gust]

1tar 5min/5tar 1.5min

Some people do 2 more but that's fucking excessive

[glacial spear]

do 2 more what?

[jagged gust]

2 more sims, 8tar 40sec and either cleave or a short 1 tar fight like a m+ boss

But that's a waste of time

[waxen frigate]

Raid is 1x5min

Or you can also modify that to fit approximate kill time on farm

Like if you know a fight is 7min vs 2:30, a 5min sim isn’t helpful

[jagged gust]

Personally I'll just whack a training dummy and sim for however long I felt like practicing

[waxen frigate]

How is that at all helpful

[jagged gust]

your dps should be nearly the same in sim as on the dummy, it's a good benchmark

[wicked pollen]

nah your dps should be above sim

[jagged gust]

Id love to hear your logic

[storm igloo]

why crit its good to warrior prot?

[earnest nymph]

damage, parry

[sweet summit]

big damage

[potent tree]

Bigger number = good

[storm igloo]

what % of mastery and vers its good then?

[sweet summit]

whatever

[jagged gust]

whatever the robot says

[serene quiver]

well hello bois i have come to ask something am i the only having a hard time keeping IP in M+?

[sweet summit]

your stat %s are irrelevant
grab higher item level stuff, grab pieces with haste and otherwise sim

[jagged gust]

IP is a rage spender

[storm igloo]

cool ty

[graceful kite]

you need to keep up shield block its your mitigation

[pine hawk]

What do we hav to break web on queen? just avatar?

[graceful kite]

or let your dks and wars pad a little

[jagged gust]

a very lucky TB proc?

[earnest nymph]

what do you mean? like you're rage-starved and can't press IP or what?

[unique wyvern]

Would U guys swap 606 sacbrood for 610 silken chain weaver?
My other trinket is larynx 616

[tribal wharf]

it fucken worked lmao

in the long run

[gritty eagle]

i guess the fact that the mats used when crafting something affects how easy it is to recraft doesnt matter if you craft it at 636? or will it potentially make it harder if you recraft it in the next season or something?

[serene quiver]

no its that the mobs go trough like its nothing\

[earnest nymph]

oh

that's not an IP problem then

[serene quiver]

even with shield block up

[tribal wharf]

i still have the same wa, but its just bams now instead

made by someone else

[sweet summit]

that's okay

[earnest nymph]

yes, kicks are getting missed and/or you need to use your defensives

as long as you have the rage for it and you're not going to drop SB to press it, just keep pressing IP when it gets consumed

[serene quiver]

in DF i went trough M10+ with out any problems now i mean they just look at it and its gone

[sweet summit]

yep

[jagged gust]

IP doesn't matter, it's up, it's down, it's there for you to spend rage, and it just so happens to do some defensives things too

[sweet summit]

and that's okay

IP is just a rage spender

it's not very strong

[tribal wharf]

i had AI create a song about doing kicks in keystones

like, a few weeks a month ago

[serene quiver]

not even mad thats pretty cool

hahahah

[potent tree]

Raidbots can probably answer that to you

[inner wren]

what race warrior is the cutest

[jagged gust]

female gnome

[wicked pollen]

dn

[serene quiver]

undead female

[sweet summit]

[serene quiver]

all the way

[jagged gust]

blocked and reported

[tribal wharf]

if i ever become famous Youtuber, i will use AI songs for everything

[sweet summit]

:3

[wicked pollen]

:3

[serene quiver]

oh and the person that put 2 tanking dummy in Dornogal deserves a very special place in hell

[jagged gust]

that thing definitely killed me my first week

ran up to it to test my fury rotation

died before I even knew I was taking damage

[earnest nymph]

earthen

rock and stone

I munch on rocks to get stats and recover HP

[tribal wharf]

it should have liek, spiked armor and a shield n shit

stands out among the other training dummies, litterally just an elite

[jagged gust]

fr, but speaking of training dummies, why did they settle on the snake mob from dark souls for the boss ones

[tribal wharf]

is that actually any good for healers, eat a gem

[earnest nymph]

wdym

[tribal wharf]

they get mana back im pretty sure

but i dont know precisely how that works

[rough crater]

Might be stupid question but is champ spear/ravager "snapshottable" with avatar or do i need the duration of avatar to line up with the duration of spear/ravager

[sweet summit]

no snapshotting, everything updates dynamically

[tribal wharf]

and how it would compare to basic, advanced, or mage food (mage food is literal above S tier for healer cuz %mana %hp per second tick

[graceful kite]

only feral druid has snapshotting mechanics in wow

[tribal wharf]

im curious if the mana regen like, starts as soon as combat ends and never stops regening them, or there is delay and how strong that effect of getting mana back is

lots of healers i run into, want time to get mana between boss and trashes

[graceful kite]

no

its just slowed like 10 times in combat

[tribal wharf]

ah, so its sort of the same as being human for + spirit in classic

[graceful kite]

no there's no spirit or mp5 now effectively

[tribal wharf]

no, but thats the closest thing i could compare it too now

[graceful kite]

in combat mana regen is slow out of combat is still slow but not as slow

healers drink water to regain mana

[tribal wharf]

ya have to be out of combat, or not attacked to do that,

i thought nudwarf only gets the regen out of combat

[graceful kite]

yogi why are you asking that you're literally playing retail alteast since shadowlands

[tribal wharf]

i just dunno if i have seen alot of earthen healers yet

haven paid attention, i probably would make a healer earthen

or dps

earthen arcane mage

[worn stump]

hey fam, is there a weakaura or addon that lets me know when im being targetted by a spell to spell reflect?

[serene quiver]

weakaura

[worn stump]

i know i need to make my damn spell reflect a macro that says "hey dont fucking kick this you goons"

[serene quiver]

hahahahah

+1

[jagged gust]

oh they have those too

they dont work

[worn stump]

LOL

[soft aspen]

the very last pack of grim batol im just being one shotted by it with shield wall ? huih?

[jagged gust]

in fact it's more likely to get kicked

[soft aspen]

on a 10 ?

[serene quiver]

the chance of them not kicking is more then kicking ur good fam

[tribal wharf]

one of the final dungeon bosses is literal named kick it all

i mean fuck

[worn stump]

man i feel if i DONT cast SR they never kick, and as soon as i do the 3 dps become gods about interrupts for 8 seconds

[tribal wharf]

im pretty sure ppl gunna hear that and follow that advice verbatim

[jagged gust]

Nah they see this text that says "SPELL something PLEASE something something KICK

[tribal wharf]

in WCM i was able to corral them more or less into helping me reflect the bolt from witches

[worn stump]

hell yeah they do, when i play fury its the same thing 😉

lose IQ when dpsing

i will say doing like 6s and shit as colossus is hilarious, just fucking demolish hits for like 5 mil

[tribal wharf]

but, you will never reflect 90% of reflectable things that you had it ready for

without a good group

[lusty grotto]

happens every time

[tribal wharf]

or without alot of luck

mostly trash or anything kickable

ccable

[neon elk]

Make a macro for it, it kinda helps a little

[alpine flume]

What you finding to be better in M+ so far Mountain Thane or Colossus?

[lusty grotto]

Thane is the go-to

colossus is great, if youre geared and experienced

if not full MT

[cerulean tusk]

Col demo is a ton of fun tho

Don't sleep on it

[lusty grotto]

its too early funky

why u do dis

[worn stump]

thane

easy peasy thane

it really is, its so fun to see it smack shit, but thane is so much smoother

[alpine flume]

Only been playing Thane in M+ so far. but trying colossus in raids on farm bosses and it's fun.

[strong forum]

It's a nice change of pace

[tribal wharf]

its a bit enraging to demolish only for monster to run away

[cerulean tusk]

I play col from time to time farming my 9s for crests. It does good dam and got no issues

[strong forum]

Whenever you're bored, just swap to colossus

And pretend you're fury warrior but more useful

[cerulean tusk]

That stings

[strong forum]

I will take every opportunity to flame fury

[tribal wharf]

1 million revenges does sound nice

[strong forum]

I been doing it since 2008 and I won't stop anytime soon

[hazy bronze]

Sounds furious

[hoary pivot]

but two giant compensation swords go brrrrrr

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/josie-jo-martin-josie-martinez-sheep-sheep-xing-gif-4751518705024585835

Fury pov

[lusty grotto]

nome punching down

rip fury

[tribal wharf]

MISS PARRY MISS DODGE PARRY MISS GLANCING BLOW

if i wanted taht shit, id be on my rogue

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

at least if im a rogue i can attack a billion times a second

and put posion on enemy or sinister strike them to death

[plush tendon]

Nom is based and is a Arms Chad

[tribal wharf]

mortal strike is the best way to play dps warrior

its stupidly overpowered ability

has been since 2004

has almost always been staple ability in both pvp, and raids.

i remember very vividly using it for normal uldir, the hydra boss

[cerulean tusk]

Col is fun in mist, btw, dam amp demo hit goes big

[tribal wharf]

and because of me, we could just totally 100% ignore the mechanic

cuz it was part of my best rotation

thats fun

when you have something that isnt extremely overpowered, but its a little bit OP

and then you get an opportunity that if you are smart, you can use it in this scenario to make everything easier

[waxen frigate]

Ok grandpa back in bed you go, time to take your meds

[tribal wharf]

im just saying, moments like that make the game feel fun to play

that, and im waiting on 11 am , for daily reset

11am waiting room hype

[lusty grotto]

[astral crystal]

free at last, god almighty, i am free at last

[hardy snow]

You will be free when its 639

[astral crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

forcing my brain to erase reading that

[tribal wharf]

is it a hero track

[astral crystal]

ye

[tribal wharf]

good job man

did the dps cry and vulture when you loot it

or just, loot only the stones crests gold and tp lol

[astral crystal]

everyone was supportive, we're all in this together

[tribal wharf]

whenever i get loot in low keys, the groups vulture over my loot lmao

first it was some ring enchant

then it was eggs twice, sac

enchant i looked it up later has a really low drop rate, something like 55 out of 10k runs

10k gold

[waxen frigate]

Meanwhile I’ve been trying to funnel changelings to guildies on my monk and this is all I’ve gotten from mists

[tribal wharf]

but its like, shit, you want this, its just a piece of paper with words and it sparkles a bit to me, being non enchanter

here you go

gets you out of my hair lol

[lusty grotto]

NISH

[waxen frigate]

What

[lusty grotto]

can you diffuse tentacles on Erudax or not

[waxen frigate]

Idk who that is

[astral crystal]

last boss grim batol

[waxen frigate]

If it’s the stuns on gb last boss then no lmao

[astral crystal]

aka the pug exterminator

[waxen frigate]

Why would you be able to diffuse while stunned

You can human racial it

[tribal wharf]

see im doing the smart thing and not yet doing key levels that are group deleters

[astral crystal]

u can run over them with spell reflect on and it'll clear them during the duration

[lusty grotto]

just curious since SR > them

thats a shame

[waxen frigate]

Diffuse is only reactive dispels anyway

[lusty grotto]

yeah makes sense

[waxen frigate]

You have to have a debuff on you

[tribal wharf]

i do use defensive stance way more now, even for low key non push

[waxen frigate]

Dstance has very little downside now

[tribal wharf]

that to me reads it has more upside

[sweet summit]

i cba swapping everytime i log on it is what it is

[lusty grotto]

at least diffuse is amazing vs Kraken in Siege

[waxen frigate]

Real honestly

[waxen frigate]

Yeah I love catapulting my teammates into the water and calling them bad

[lusty grotto]

on god

[waxen frigate]

Our hunter managed to disengage back onto land before he got eaten 😡

[tribal wharf]

HHHEEELLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!

dont let this thing EAT me

[toxic pewter]

how do the mobs before broodtwister work when it comes to launching dudes

i got launched onto a wall across a chasm

[waxen frigate]

I’m really tempted to gaslight you

[spice wedge]

You sure you are playing wow?

[waxen frigate]

But they throw you backwards over their heads

[tribal wharf]

i need a STFU button for that guy

[waxen frigate]

So you want to put your back to the chasm

[tribal wharf]

makes him not play his voice lines

[toxic pewter]

ok right

[waxen frigate]

And they will throw you into the close wall

[toxic pewter]

that is what I thought happens

[tribal wharf]

just his repair cannon voice line

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooooooooooooooo

[waxen frigate]

They are able to wombo combo you though if you have aggro on multiple

[toxic pewter]

yah those mobs are hillarious

[waxen frigate]

I’ve been thrown towards the wall then thrown again midair once I was out of position

[lusty grotto]

its even funnier vs a VDH

just zoom all over

[waxen frigate]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ObliviousOriginalHerdDoubleRainbow-_lNlwqOgQbh5mTk6

[toxic pewter]

#protection message this is me when i got launched

LOL that clip that happened to me also before

thats great

tokyo drifted XD

[waxen frigate]

I literally hit the wall

And then just slid sideways and kept going man

[toxic pewter]

best mobs theyve added to the game in a while

shits hillarious

[lusty grotto]

just try it on a DH

[tribal wharf]

i got a purple as fury on lfr

[cerulean tusk]

gj

[lusty grotto]

get knocked -> glide -> you fly to outlands in 0.2 seconds flat

[gritty eagle]

hello, sorry if this has been asked multiple times, is it any merit to using ascendance embellishment instead of linings for m+? like people expecting to have low uptime or something (my experience is that you have 80%+ uptime anyway)

[lusty grotto]

0 merit

[gritty eagle]

alright nice, i went for linings

[tribal wharf]

i still need more crests

so i can do a runed craft

[hoary pivot]

do you guys have any reminder system for spell block or do you just have the habit for all the different places already?

tbh, i basically never press the button which means i probably take a lot of unnecessary magic dmg

[tribal wharf]

https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1

this one provides instant feedback

[hoary pivot]

thats reflect though isnt it?

i have a WA for reflect, that works well

[tribal wharf]

right, sorry,

[lusty grotto]

you kinda memorize where to use it

[cerulean tusk]

Spellblock is a CD that is aimed against a certain problem

[lusty grotto]

by doing keys and taking damage

[tribal wharf]

a WA that is that thing i just linked, but it does it for spells blocked by shield

i would love that

[cerulean tusk]

Problem is, you dont always want to use spellblock vs A, you want to use it vs A in situation B.
It is a CD, so just learn when you want it and if you feel you dont use it enough - Just send it more often. Then you will slowly get a feel of when/how/why

[lusty grotto]

funky is 100% right

[cerulean tusk]

[mighty valley]

1. read the spreadsheet in pins for the key you’re about to do
2. forget everything you just read
3. say “what the fuck is ranching me” halfway through the key
4. go back to the spreadsheet and say “oh right I coulda spell blocked)

[tribal wharf]

generally speaking, most trash packs, or bosses, you can generally just sended it on spell block

has a huge up time

when casted

comes back kinda fast

[rich vigil]

Hey i have a question regarding gear. Do any of you clever prot warriors know why WOW head says our BIS Shoulders is The Vile Butchers? is it survivability? I got these from BT timewarp, im gonna upgrade 1 of them to 626. I know Haste/crit is the best stats so should i just go with them?

[gritty eagle]

any obvious places where you know you save spell block for?

i just noticed anima slashes in mists (if you get 2 guardians) is nice to have it for

[tribal wharf]

DB boss 1 beam tank buster

i got fuckin smoked by that

[hoary pivot]

i might start doing that and set my combat text to highlight blocked spells

because just reading it and remembering a huge list of things that are all relevant rarerly is very adhd unfriendly

thats why e.g. a WA would work nicely to build the habit of knowing, no matter if i send or not in that moment

like with spell reflect

[tribal wharf]

stop worrying so much

and just pull the packs and boss and press buttons

and everything will be okay

[hoary pivot]

just looking to optimize, its part of the fun 🙂 i do fine in keys and i play with friends anyways, no pressure. but learning how to optimize a new spec each xpac is kind of half the wow fun for me.

[lusty grotto]

you learn by experience

not by having the game tell you when to use shit

[tribal wharf]

master yi says, Doubt is the greatest enemy.

[lusty grotto]

youre doing these dungeons for the entire season, but its only week 2, so its ok to not have everything memorized

[gritty eagle]

i dont think you should try and remember the spell block list of spells, rather, take note of where you start to take a lot of dmg, check what you took dmg from -> check if anything important there is spell blockable -> use it there next time

[lusty grotto]

yes

100% correct

[inner wren]

yeah if i could just have nimchip sit behind me and scream into my ear to spell block that’d be great

[tribal wharf]

the ones you note are the ones that hit you for 5 million dmg

like beam tank buster portion

[lusty grotto]

lol you dont want me, i forget as well when to use it

[zealous goblet]

Uhhh.. They nerfing thunderous roar. Why?

[tribal wharf]

or leaves a NASTY debuff

[lusty grotto]

because fuck fury

and fuck fury padding in particular

[zealous goblet]

Fuckin lmao

[lusty grotto]

so arms and us get fucked as well

but it doesnt matter

cause we dont run roar in keys anyway

[tribal wharf]

how us pwar get screwed

im swearing too much as is

[inner wren]

does it count as getting screwed when pwar is still goated

[zealous goblet]

Ik I'm just sad because i was praying for spear nerfs so i could go back to roar

[lusty grotto]

...

i mean if anything pray for roar buffs

[zealous goblet]

I like the funny roar sound

[tribal wharf]

i like roar in that its set it and forget it

gather mobs cast it, forget you ever did it 0.8 seconds later

[zealous goblet]

I keep sending spears to fuckin narnia because i can't see my cursor in hectic pulls

[tribal wharf]

that type of ability works very well for "blender" strategy

[lusty grotto]

play without @cursor then

[tribal wharf]

for keys

[zealous goblet]

Stop trying to problem solve for me i want to be hysterical and vent and have my hair pet and be told I'm right

[lusty grotto]

i mean

i dont play with cursor

i target reticule

[tribal wharf]

im only reallymad.jpg when my spear goes to some lantern 2.5 stories up, yards up in the sky

[mighty valley]

Timewalking gear isn’t on the bis list because it can’t drop at the highest ilvl but those look great if hero track’s the best you got

[ornate thicket]

I use a mouse cursor weakaura that makes it more easily seen

[lusty grotto]

i was thinking about doing @cursor when the exp launched but then thought it would be a bad idea knowing me

[ornate thicket]

Has a cplorful trail on it too

[lusty grotto]

id rather just see the dumb reticule, if only for a split second

[mighty valley]

I target too, sometimes the game and I disagree on where my cursor was

[rich vigil]

thanks! will do that

[tribal wharf]

then again, where to place spear and to lesser extent ravager has always been artistic choice

[mighty valley]

place it on the bad guys

[tribal wharf]

the reset in 30 minutes doesnt touch keys right

maybe im thinking back to days of bfa

rolling restarts on tuesays

[dusky canopy]

You’ll lose the key in your bags and given a new one from vault if that’s what you mean

[waxen frigate]

Placing ravager on top of roofs and ropes in siege of Boralus is my art form

[smoky anvil]

I put mine on the wall during 3rd boss last night. I was tilted.

[lusty grotto]

maze walls in mists

[tribal wharf]

just tell group ahead someone has to take charge of the mist mazes

[lusty grotto]

huh

[tribal wharf]

dont even have to explain what it is, someone will be good at it and take leader of that

[lusty grotto]

what does have to do with placing ravager on the walls

[tribal wharf]

oh, that sounds like dps loss

i dont do that

does it home in on them and combat them pulling ?

[ornate thicket]

How high is yogi right now

[waxen frigate]

Just be a chad and stand afk once mobs are dead

Until someone else solves it

[tribal wharf]

im trying to envision a world where you put ravager on the maze gates

:S

real macguiver shit

[lusty grotto]

extremely

[hard vessel]

How Bad is Dragons Roar compared to spear in keys? Is it still Playable and easier?

[tribal wharf]

i dont like mists also man

im trying to avoid it

[rough crater]

anybody got a working WA for when u get tricks of the traded/misdirected.

My tricks only works until the rogue actually starts hitting

[tribal wharf]

look

im at the damn dungeon

RFN

with key

[kind urchin]

I use target reticle and @ player macros for both spear and ravager.

[lusty grotto]

i have one Klutch but its part of a pack

thats premium

[thorny stone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-gif-26310880

[rough crater]

sad 😦

[tribal wharf]

wasnt there bullshit about

you could send hunter pets and druid tree thingies through

to pull

[lusty grotto]

just do a trigger and track Aura and Combat Log

and trigger combination Any Trigger

[tribal wharf]

i STG

[lusty grotto]

something like this

[tribal wharf]

hunter would pets through, dismiss and ti would beel ine to us through the mist gate

i wonder if they patched that

[lusty grotto]

and this

[thorny stone]

no need to dismiss, just tell the pets to come back

also

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cHoJNAxju_A

[lusty grotto]

auto clone on the Aura trigger

[tribal wharf]

oh, i think also heard i can open the gate in mists as tauren now?

for the buffs

[lusty grotto]

night elves, tauren, and herbalists yes

[tribal wharf]

if yes, whats the meta on who grabs which

[lusty grotto]

theres no meta

you just grab/open it

[mighty valley]

everyone takes stat shroom

[tribal wharf]

ok

[lusty grotto]

and you take green mushroom

which is what harrow is saying

[waxen frigate]

Yeah the stat shroom is the only good one

[waxen frigate]

The stamina one is a meme

[tribal wharf]

checks out for me

[waxen frigate]

The only relevant meta is that it’s cringe to make the tank get the furthest one

[lusty grotto]

i woudlnt say its a meme, since you can use it when you pull the 2 dumb dudes

[waxen frigate]

Since ideally you grab the close one and start the next pull while everyone else gets theirs and regroups

[waxen frigate]

I’d rather have 10% mainstat

[lusty grotto]

but you insta swap them to greens after for boss

[waxen frigate]

In every imaginable situation

[lusty grotto]

stam heals you, so its good to grab mid pull

[waxen frigate]

That’s my healer’s job

[lusty grotto]

fair enough

[tribal wharf]

stay calm and have faith in the healer

rule #1 of keys

[lusty grotto]

or just pick it mid aoe

since its free

[tribal wharf]

keys already dead if you dont have a healer

[lusty grotto]

and then swap for boss

🤷

[neon elk]

So guys, what is consensus, are augs goats and makes 10s easier or wasted space ?

[lusty grotto]

i havent done a key with an aug

[tribal wharf]

yogi take whoever going to do the job

[lusty grotto]

since last season

[tribal wharf]

or whoever fit, brez, lust