It releases the NPC that does it
#protection
foggy ingot
earnest nymph
they both have to be dead actually
mellow quartz
Both need to be dead
earnest nymph
it no longer repairs from just killing grippping
so you kill demo first now because less dmg
mellow quartz
Was changed in the end of beta
tribal wharf
thats what im asking, well, that sucks
foggy ingot
Ah, my mistake. Have always killed Demo anyway
earnest nymph
the demo has also been nerfed a bit to where it doesn't do the group knockback anymore
so that's nice too
foggy ingot
Yea knock was so annoying when it overlapped with the debuff
mellow quartz
But does more damage given it ignores armor
mellow quartz
At least your healer won’t get knocked into puddles or the water on the last platform anymore
Literally half my runs the first week
earnest nymph
sec, I could be wrong
I am wrong
eternal marlin
looking to get my second embelishment, what are people using? i already have 1 duskthread lining on my crafted shield
second crafted item will be a belt
eternal marlin
just stack linings? alright
lusty grotto
yeah you can do same stat or a different one
simming would give you an answer on which
pallid quiver
i did one of each because i sniped some cheap
eternal marlin
how do i know which would be best? im at 19% crit and 8% vers
eternal marlin
k
hardy snow
pretty good vault 
foggy ingot
Our Fury got myth speed weapon with perfect stats
bleak sundial
are we goin for haste verse now? for m+
lusty grotto
no
tribal wharf
i got nw now, certainly dont want to run that
bleak sundial
was checking people's crafted gear in raider io on top warrior tanks
inner wren
Prot wars need a talent that let us use guns
hardy snow
are we goin for haste verse now? for m+
crit is slightly better
lusty grotto
goddamn it
i wish people would have learned from VDH
why do they default to vers
and then we get question like this when they look at rankings
bleak sundial
crit is slightly better
wookie also got a question is the beledar bulwark shit for its low proc compared to the duskwoven weave?
lusty grotto
its shit yes
wowhead guide has info on why its shit
read the guides
it has the answer to both questions
tender reef
i think i take the weapon 😄
hardy snow
Following "top .io" tanks in 1st or 2nd week of season is pointless. Not only top tanks arent always right, but so soon in season top .io are mostly folks who play the most.
fair beacon
how can I upload a pic? wont let me
fair beacon
i did, says there is a problem with the upload
fair beacon
Which one do I take?
hardy snow
maybe its too big?
fair beacon
yeay
lusty grotto
thats a no brainer
fair beacon
how come?
lusty grotto
do you raid mythic?
fair beacon
no, got that from the one lvl 10 did
fair beacon
maybe boss 1-2, not beyond that
plush tendon
I dont think thats worth
lusty grotto
and youll get more shoulders or at least versions you can cata
cyan bronze
shoutout to everyone who didn’t take twwprotwar as a char name, s tier fotm reroll name
plush tendon
or a crafted cloak
dusky canopy
shoutout to everyone who didn’t take twwprotwar as a char name, s tier fotm rero...
Ope
dusky canopy
I’d do shoulders
lusty grotto
i guess ill side with augusto
the cantrip effect shouldn't be strong enough to not replace it with a crafted/myth cloak
plush tendon
avoidance is whatever for tanks
dusky canopy
The damage reduction part is pretty good for key though ngl
plush tendon
and 10% more healing for 10 seconds once every 1min 30?
lusty grotto
yeah the healing is the good part
dusky canopy
But still I’d go myth track tier any day
sinful light
If I'm not planning on raiding , would it make the most sense to craft a shield ? If so what's the best embellishment for m+
lusty grotto
plush tendon
If I'm not planning on raiding , would it make the most sense to craft a shield ...
shield craft makes sense
lusty grotto
click on guides
sinful light
What would be 2nd craft ?
lusty grotto
and check bis gear -> embelishments
dusky canopy
If you will never raid I would craft a 636 shield
If you so happen to vault a myth shield just accept the L
Odds are you won’t
plush tendon
its also not as big of a L as you think
sinful light
Ty!
sinful light
Fair point
dusky canopy
Also true yeah
plush tendon
and we are at 3 crafts
the loss comes out to like ~~15 ~~ 30 gilded crests
which really aint much
sinful light
Awesome. Thanks guys
plush tendon
we'll be swimming in them in a few weeks time wondering why we cant trade them to alts
dusky canopy
4x15 quick math
dusky canopy
graceful kite
who cares what people say
plush tendon
costs 90 for craft
rigid hull
who cares what people say
i had alot of fun
rigid hull
lusty grotto
plush tendon
if blizz lets you roll on it
ornate thicket
Its kinda scummy to roll tank trinket if you go in as dps but this is why i dont pug lol
plush tendon
then who cares
tender reef
why 1 point in bloodborne instead of in bloodsurge ? isnt 10% chance to get 5 rage better than 10% bleed dmg ?
graceful kite
If you've never had a guy talking about how he would like to scalp you and make soup out of your eyes you haven't lived
plush tendon
scummy, but you dont know these people
rigid hull
Its kinda scummy to roll tank trinket if you go in as dps but this is why i dont...
its allowed its not scummy
lusty grotto
who cares, tank trinkets from raid blow
tender reef
where is nim there he is, please tell me
plush tendon
^
ornate thicket
I didnt say it wasnt allowed
lusty grotto
if they are making a big deal about any raid tank trinket, they are idiots
plush tendon
its allowed its not scummy
they arent mutually exclusive
lusty grotto
cause they all suck
violet ginkgo
I mean isn't tank trinket in this season all bad? it shouldn't be big deal
ornate thicket
Mostly they blow lol
toxic pewter
can I spell reflect anything during zekvir encounter
violet ginkgo
I mean even if you won something (tank trinkets) it's not like it's good.
rigid hull
nah i mean its just stupid as fuck thinking its "ninja loot"
i OBV need it for tanking
thats why im needing on it
ornate thicket
Stonevault skarn trinket juice last night. Happy about it
lusty grotto
🤷
violet ginkgo
You are more suspicious on "Need trinket for tanking" rather than actual ninja loot XD
ornate thicket
I wouldn't classify as ninja or be kick worthy. Just saying i understand someone being emotional over an offspec rolling getting an item designed for role they werent on
rigid hull
I wouldn't classify as ninja or be kick worthy. Just saying i understand someone...
its blizzards fault not me
lirly
violet ginkgo
yeah there is no rule that you have to be on the tank role to get the tank trinket. I mean even healer sometimes set loot for dps trinket right?
lusty grotto
fooshaz youre fine
ornate thicket
Im rolling healing trinket for solo farm bandage gains. Yall understand, right?
lusty grotto
i did s3 pugs as arms to get rageheart
i dont give a shit, its a pug
people did it to me, so its fair game
especially boomies/rdruids
plush tendon
its par for the course if you pug
its every man for themselves
shouldve joined a guild if you want a loot system
ornate thicket
Yeah its gonna happen. Just be prepared for the rage lol
balmy remnant
Frankly I think you’re a war criminal and deserve the gulag
rigid hull
Yeah its gonna happen. Just be prepared for the rage lol
ye it was fun tbh
ornate thicket
Was it the scarab trinket off council?
rigid hull
first boss trinket
cyan bronze
is BSV, andor demoralizing shout completely inting your build to take atm? bsv seems nice as a pseudo cheat proc whilst learning reroll in higher keys, demor shout seems nice for the extra stop, coming off vdh
ornate thicket
Oh that one is dog LOL.
foggy ingot
The Max HP increase is kinda neat
balmy remnant
is BSV, andor demoralizing shout completely inting your build to take atm? bsv s...
I think you mean intim shout
cyan bronze
oh yeah sorry
balmy remnant
The cheat death is good, it got fixed so it works now
ornate thicket
I take the aoe silence shout. Prettt big esp in pug keys
cyan bronze
it’s whatever the second talent improving mass taunt or w/e is
cyan bronze
disrupting shout; sorry
foggy ingot
You can also drop Intervene for it, and swap to 3x stormbolt
lusty grotto
is BSV, andor demoralizing shout completely inting your build to take atm? bsv s...
you have to rotate shield charge and champ's bulwark into bolster for it
and then you can pick whatever else you need
that means that you wont have shield charge, yes
and you will manage SB with LS
cyan bronze
that seems very int, no?
lusty grotto
i mean if you want BSV thats the most optimal route
while keeping SB uptime options
cyan bronze
well mostly want to know if it’s completely inting to take
toxic pewter
your damage will be lower probably
balmy remnant
It’s so situational you can’t call it inting or not inting
cyan bronze
ty
dusky canopy
I would un talent all block uptime boosting talents and then come in here and ask what kind of stats you need for +4s
balmy remnant
Because sometimes it is and sometimes it isn’t
dusky canopy
cyan bronze
planning to play prot war for title push
vague abyss
its every man for themselves
yep, in my guild we care for the off-spec stuff and we dont roll for stuff over the mains.
In a pug? heck half the raid throws need for the first raid boss shield for some reason
cyan bronze
but (very)doubt you need bsv to live that
lusty grotto
probably not
toxic pewter
would you guys use a ring thats 7 ilvl better but with no haste on it (low crit/high mastery)
south zealot
i would play with the normal build now
no reason to gimp your spec for not difficult keys
tribal wharf
mount
vague abyss
what BSV means?
balmy remnant
I love playing warrior and not stank ass paladin
tribal wharf
soon as mount or too much raging quit
lusty grotto
what BSV means?
balmy remnant
Paladins deserve to be terrible
dusky canopy
What’s that?
vague abyss
oh i see that, seems to pick that one, we have to drop good talents, so idk
south zealot
oh i see that, seems to pick that one, we have to drop good talents, so idk
correct
vague abyss
what could be dropped to slot BSV? i honestly could used it in a 7+ yesterday lol
toxic pewter
they just talked about it scroll up
lusty grotto
scroll up
you need to get rid of champ's bulwark
and shield charge is not valuable without it
so
you take off those 2 points and put 1 into Bolster
and 1 into BSV
that way you keep an SB refresh/extension
its entirely unneeded for a 7
or an 8
or a 9
or a 10
vague abyss
damn taking off shield charge is very x.x
vague abyss
damn i need to check what im doing wrong then, my 610 prot was getting hammered in a 7 Siege :x
normal kelp
our crafted gear supposed to be haste crit right?
vague abyss
err, i would just clear to the right of it
(dont look to the actual pulls though xD)
green bronze
our crafted gear supposed to be haste crit right?
yes
cyan bronze
you just walk by the gk, yes
vague abyss
OH Yeah that pull, yeah you can just walk past them
tribal wharf
is it right through the gap of them
vague abyss
actually you can just hug the south wall
vague abyss
im not taking chances with pugs xD
normal kelp
why do people craft haste vers ?
south zealot
bc theres a longstanding myth that vers is the 'tank stat'
but you can craft haste crit or haste vers it doesnt matter really
normal kelp
vers is the monk stat tho
balmy remnant
Haste crit my beloved
grim pilot
@strong forum
balmy remnant
grim pilot
No clue, maybe he knows
dusky canopy
Nah you need 32%
grim pilot
But i dont think so
lusty grotto
at 31% haste i can go with "In the Fray" talent right?
wouldnt recommend it
dusky canopy
I refuse to do my own searching
south zealot
at 31% haste i can go with "In the Fray" talent right?
you could try it
dusky canopy
That’s why Nim is my best friend in skyhold
south zealot
doubt it would be enough tho
dusky canopy
balmy remnant
I just spread misinformation intentionally
lusty grotto
you'd have to be experienced
green bronze
whats the play guys, do i just craft shield if i have myth weapon?
green bronze
would feel so bad to get myth shield next vault if i craft shield now(
dusky canopy
I’d just craft shield unless you mythic raid
pastel salmon
u would feel worse if u play the whole week without it and dont get it in the vault
dusky canopy
Honestly I would just craft shield
It’s your singular best item
You want it as high as possible as soon as possible
rigid yew
Wait until enough myth crests to craft? Or is it worth the early ilvl bump for the hero craft version?
dusky canopy
If you know for a fact you’ll get the first mythic shield to drop then I wouldn’t craft shield
In all other scenarios I would just craft shield
dusky canopy
Wait until enough myth crests to craft? Or is it worth the early ilvl bump for t...
Don’t waste heroic crests
Just wait for gilded
rigid yew
I don't have as much time as before, so we're still in the +7 range (barely, it's a struggle with 590 ilvl lol)
tribal wharf
keys are hell for me but im trying not to get too mad over it
mostly just everyone being idiot, self included
proud dock
how does the bstance moving imparing reduction work? do u have to be in bstance when the movment gets imparied, or can u get impaired stance change and have the reduction work?
plush tendon
I don't have as much time as before, so we're still in the +7 range (barely, it'...
delves are unironically your best friend
delves drop 603 gear
and some 610
some of the week 1 gearing tactics wouldnt be a bad idea
like 610 crafts from PVP
mighty valley
yeah it's kinda wild but delves are so much better for gearing than low-med keys
and are absolutely trivial for us
balmy remnant
my roommate is a delver
Mole person*
mighty valley
i respect moles
vague abyss
in delves you find faster to zug zug it yourself or do it in a group?
lusty grotto
i just solo them
vague abyss
assuming dps are competent of course
lusty grotto
even on dps alts
stable shard
did i failed to craft crit haste?
lusty grotto
but my brann is like 48
stable shard
dorki did haste vers
south zealot
doesnt matter as long as you have haste
lusty grotto
both are good stats
south zealot
crit is better for damage and gives yoy parry
lusty grotto
if you want you can ask dorki for his reasoning
south zealot
vers is less damage but helps you against non-parryable damage
lusty grotto
but knowing dorki, he most likely just followed the weird tendency to shift to vers
plush tendon
dorki did haste vers
the difference is so small
lusty grotto
even when not needed
earnest nymph
nah crit all the way
lusty grotto
depends on what you mean by difference
earnest nymph
crit = parrygod
vague abyss
nah i already crafted my wrist/belt with haste crit, im commited already
cyan bronze
prot war is also haste crit? 
molten gorge
dorki did haste vers
bear in mind, like what keys are you doing? cause Dorki is in 13s already so
lusty grotto
but only because versatile corruption was a thing
molten gorge
you don't need to do what the bleed edge pushers are doing to time your weekly 10s efficiently (if that's where you're at)
they have different goals
vague abyss
and probably not pugging their keys
limpid ruin
He was low on verse so he probably crafted to it. He only had like 5k when he last logged off
plush tendon
is he a spy too by any chance? <:keks:936231610850897992>
hes just a super casual gamer; but I cant throw him into content that I'm doing.... he'll just repeat die and get frustrated. Hes gotta go at his own speed
south zealot
He was low on verse so he probably crafted to it. He only had like 5k when he la...
wouldnt say thats low
lusty grotto
5k seems like an item worth choco
plush tendon
5k is pretty low
south zealot
maybe that silken court neck
limpid ruin
5k is like 2 rings
south zealot
for verse?
lusty grotto
so yeah in that case dorki made the right decision
south zealot
seems chill to me
earnest nymph
he's almost certainly just wearing whatever the highest ilvl shit he has is
he's only 616 ilvl
south zealot
talking about crafted specifically rn
stable shard
bear in mind, like what keys are you doing? cause Dorki is in 13s already so
starting 12's
earnest nymph
talking about crafted specifically rn
I doubt he thought that much about ~500 of a secondary stat tbh
molten gorge
starting 12's
then if your vers is low, makes sense to craft vers
earnest nymph
idk if that even gives a full % of a stat in all situations
earnest nymph
yeah I just mean there's no way he specifically was like "yes 500 vers is going to keep me alive"
if it was a ring/neck giving 2k+ I could see it
south zealot
thats not really the idea but sure
vague abyss
enough to buy the missive
imagine spending 100k on materials but cheaping on the missive xD
south zealot
its not that the 500 stat is keeping you alive
nobody thinks that
honestly i cant think of many dangerous parryable shit
off the top of my head
so crit isnt as important as it has been
stable shard
we put ascension on weap?
earnest nymph
you don't stack crit to parry dangerous shit, you stack it so you parry more melees and save your IP for dangerous shit I thought
but still, what is the idea you're talking about then?
re: crafting
south zealot
well the reaosn you want crit is bc its the most damage AND melee damage is what you take the most of in every key ever
crit gives parry parry negates a lot of melee damage
earnest nymph
that's what I just said
earnest nymph
can you go back to what you were saying above and clarify for me please
about the crafting
south zealot
i dont know what you want me to clarify
earnest nymph
thats not really the idea but sure
this
junior ivy
Is there a new expansion
stable shard
i see ascension or magic dmg from sockets on weap embelish, it's weird
south zealot
the stats dont keep you alive playing well does
earnest nymph
yeah I agree
oh you know, I misread, thought it was you that was asking about dorki crafting haste vers
I was responding to the wrong person
earnest nymph
He was low on verse so he probably crafted to it. He only had like 5k when he la...
I meant to respond to this
my b
earnest nymph
I don't think you can put it on weap
green bronze
guys, anyone using cell here? i lost my raid controls since installing it
how to reenable it
earnest nymph
guys i see 2 diff embelish on weap but never the vers 80%
looks like it's mainstat armor pieces and shield only
tribal wharf
octopus over powered
green bronze
when did siege get nerfed?
neon elk
With this season and also last night
plush tendon
siege got massively nerfed
still a garbage dungeon
made by garbage people
and brought back by some garbage idea
mighty valley
i still have faith that yogi can do it at a 2
green bronze
damn, slam no longer knocks player back, that is godsent
tribal wharf
still a garbage dungeon
fun dungeon with good players
but once you dial that key up its a nightmare
cyan bronze
siege got massively nerfed
is the last boss even playable w the bug?
earnest nymph
what bug?
cyan bronze
orbs spawn in water
foggy ingot
The Affix orbs were spawning in the water yea
cyan bronze
can’t get orbs
mighty valley
oh damn haven't done it this week lol
earnest nymph
killed us more than once
cyan bronze
just kinda have to man up thru it, or have fdk water walking
earnest nymph
it sounds like they didn't test this affix
tribal wharf
nothing wrong with threads
tulip remnant
I don’t want to see a tentacle with 90% Haste in a +8…..
cyan bronze
it sounds like they didn't test this affix
well, it was an issue through the entire beta cycle and was reported countless times
cyan bronze
I don’t want to see a tentacle with 90% Haste in a +8…..
oh even better
green trench
A question about trinkets (like the millionth already i know), but are there any defensive trinkets that are decent/good? I can only see swarmlords trinket as one..
tulip remnant
Oh sure, that’s fine
cyan bronze
yep
lusty grotto
it gives mobs damage
tribal wharf
i like the water trinket a little bit
cuz its 60 seconds send it and deals a bunch of dmg
cyan bronze
Idk why they changed orbs from dr to damage increase
at least sob was playable when it was dr
tulip remnant
I mean. It incentivizes actually doing the mechanic…but it has to be possible to do.
zealous goblet
does anyone know if doing x10 echoes is better in anyway?
i cant find any answers
or is it just a time save
south zealot
this affix is much worse than last week
foggy ingot
Just a time save I think
golden shuttle
Any recommends which of this trinkets would be a good choise for m+?
tribal wharf
purple candle is good
vague abyss
candle and concotion
tribal wharf
ummm cant speak about the rest, i know the red one is a raid one but how good i dont know
if 584 is the wax plating vendor it
right now, total trash
vague abyss
yeah wax plating is a total waste
tribal wharf
it might as well be you have a bunch of armor for 20 seconds
armor is something that we dont need extra of, ontop of what we have
lusty grotto
Any recommends which of this trinkets would be a good choise for m+?
sim
5 target patchwerk 1 min or 1.5 mins
and pick the 2 that the sim tells you
tribal wharf
A question about trinkets (like the millionth already i know), but are there any...
use a trinket that deals dmg and that you like
for what its worth larynx did alot
lusty grotto
breakdown usually means nothing for trinkets
in comparison with your gameplay a trinket can seem like its doing a lot, but you may be playing incorrectly
if you want accurate breakdowns, tick to show dps
tribal wharf
i dont even know if i have log stuff enabled tbh
lusty grotto
and tick dps
people dont understand how breakdowns work
example was augury last 2 seasons, where it would seem it was doing insane damage and it was just people playing badly and the dps doing much of the legwork
since its relative
wooden lagoon
are you guys just using the -IP + SS Snipe Macro- and dont use -Ignore Pain- and -Shield Slam- individually? (sry im new prot)
lusty grotto
if youre new you shouldnt use it
but
you use that in place of IP
NOT in place of shield slam
you need to shield slam with its own key
as it says in the guide, its used to snipe SS procs
when you IP
wooden lagoon
kk ty sir
lusty grotto
you should not replace your SS bind
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
and that macro shouldnt go where you use SS
wooden lagoon
i will take it in reserve and try it out with more xp
edgy bone
I had a myth track larynx but it simmed like shit so I took a weapon
mighty valley
i might drop the macro for m+, i miss outbursting TB on big pulls because of it sometimes
vague abyss
yeah i use that macro in my 5th mouse button, and i use it a lot
edgy bone
On 5target cleave, 639 larynx simmed worse than my 621 skarmoraks
tribal wharf
I had a myth track larynx but it simmed like shit so I took a weapon
it has its downsides
for one, the stacks dont reset eachother
hybrid fossil
hey guys, do you know any alternative for https://wago.io/KCYpBMg6Y ? it seems that this WA creates a lot of LUA errors in TWW?
tribal wharf
um and it doesnt have main stat
um and also if you use at wrong time, it does nothing
toxic pewter
yeah I also passed on that trinket in my vault
tribal wharf
you mgiht as well have been have equipped a carrot on stick
edgy bone
um and it doesnt have main stat
If you get Ovi egg and Arakara egg you just have two JUICY stat sticks
lusty grotto
larinx is solid
lusty grotto
much better yogi
tribal wharf
what does larynx cap out at for targets
fluid shard
colossus turned out super fun yesterday! i shoulda listened and go execute build for the whole run though
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
nah grieftorch really good
really deadly not the same
bacon was the fuckin deleter
south zealot
trinkets went from 20k dps in df to 20k dps in tww
lusty grotto
LMAO
south zealot
lets fo
lusty grotto
youre not wrong
south zealot
go
lusty grotto
Did the Builds get updated recently?
they could have, yes
are you asking about BSC/FttF?
or concerning those?
waxen cradle
I swear if I see 1 more Prot Warrior spamming IPain over SBlock with 20% or so SBlock uptime I am going to climb to the highest mountain and scream rrrreeeeee
waxen cradle
lmao
its like Urmagurd lets spam a button that makes us look like we are healing a lot but then get nuked by melees
foggy ingot
Need to make a big WA that says "DON'T IP YOU FRIEND" when it's capped
You do want to spend when otherwise rage capped to get the extra damage eh
lusty grotto
Need to make a big WA that says "DON'T IP YOU FRIEND" when it's capped
cap doesnt matter
exhibit #1
waxen cradle
well of course as a rage dump but not at the expense of casting SBlock
lusty grotto
doesnt know how to IP
foggy ingot
well of course as a rage dump but not at the expense of casting SBlock
Of course
lusty grotto
not know how to IP has been a common recurrence EVERY SINGLE EXPANSION
and the 2nd one is versa andies
IP cap 👏 does 👏 not 👏 matter
you press IP when youre at 70 rage
thats it
foggy ingot
Makes sense
waxen cradle
EXACTLY its a off the gcd rage dump cap means nothing
waxen cradle
but to see tanks getting deleted, by melees and I look at there SBlock uptime and its 22% =.=
rrrreee is all I can say
foggy ingot
Yea that's egregious
vestal moat
is the collosus execute build for keys just the same as the raid build
lusty grotto
i guess, but why would you run an execute build in keys
limpid ruin
Idk to see if the healer can 100 parse?
lusty grotto
LOL
vestal moat
actually i dont see a colosus build for keys at all in wowhead
just wanna mess w it a little
lusty grotto
just use the non execute build for keys
dusky canopy
Just use the execute build for keys
lusty grotto
no reason to run execute build, thats purely ST
dusky canopy
Don’t even a equip a shield
vestal moat
no thunderlord tho hmm
lusty grotto
brew are you summoning funky
lusty grotto
ruby dune
should you not be dumping rage with IP for violent outburst?
dusky canopy
Yes
lusty grotto
sure
lusty grotto
indeed
youre dumping rage, not rage starving yourself
so you press it at 70+ rage
ruby dune
oki, ty!
lusty grotto
regardless of ip status
hollow sphinx
i got a hero shield with crit versa, is it worth upgrade ?? i dont have any more hero gear at all, maybe i could save my ressources for other items? do we prior other things first?
lusty grotto
jesus fuck i hate that font
cerulean tusk
no reason to run execute build, thats purely ST
Bosses gotta die, prio targets gotta die
Execute is da way
If you want AoE, use whirlwind for 360 DPS
lusty grotto
lmao
cerulean tusk
hollow sphinx
ONLY IN CAPS ALL OVER CAUSE THE FONT IS GARBAGE
ofc, cause i already equipped it. it was a general question whether to upgrade the shield 1st (as i got no other hero gear)
lusty grotto
you could craft a shield
you have 3 crafts and a free enchanted rune
by doing the kill queen quest
which you can do solo via story mode
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
apparently the strategy for seige now is you start on the demolisher
could be cuz low key,
foggy ingot
That's been the strat I thought
tribal wharf
like, whole team on the demo
tribal wharf
oh okay then, awesome good to know that, ya, thats what my group did
few deaths in the run, but nothing overly catasrophic
told them turn back to wall for first pull, so they dont get kb into trash
guess who gets kb into trash
waxen frigate
Is the demolisher the slam one
tribal wharf
ya
waxen frigate
If so yeah you always kill that
foggy ingot
Yea
tribal wharf
okay really thats interesting
i seem to recall there was a ton of debate how the correct way to do that fight is
in bfa
lusty grotto
yes thats because
repairs happened regardless of tentacles up
and because they kept spawning
violet ginkgo
i got a hero shield with crit versa, is it worth upgrade ?? i dont have any more...
pardon me but aren't both shield is the same shield?
crisp lagoon
warbound Mad Queens Mandate, feelsgoodman
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
pardon me but aren't both shield is the same shield?
They absolutely are lol
jade tartan
What's our best Embellishment for weapon again?
lusty grotto
none
violet ginkgo
so none weapon just get it into armor with dawn/dusk?
tribal wharf
mdt strings seem to be slow to load
hollow sphinx
pardon me but aren't both shield is the same shield?
i already equipped it - but that was not the question. im not comparing 2 shields, the question was, whether its worth upgrading this shield - i dont have any other hero item until now, but am capable of doing 7 m+ keys 🙂
violet ginkgo
of course it is worth
lusty grotto
no its not
cause he can craft a shield
like i already mentioned
upgrading means he will use crests
that he can save
violet ginkgo
well depend though Nim, if he happen to play DPS and already upgrade his 2h weapon, his shield upgrade would've cost no crest.
lusty grotto
he didnt provide any context
violet ginkgo
if he exclusively play tank then yeah
lusty grotto
so im not assuming anything
violet ginkgo
we assume you want to use the free crest from the raid story?
foggy ingot
Reminder that if you get renoun 24 you get a 2nd 619 enchanted crest
(With the first faction you hit 24 on iirc)
hollow sphinx
we assume you want to use the free crest from the raid story?
no, with both of my crests, i did wrists and belt
hollow sphinx
Sorry, i paused like a few years of playing WoW, just started again with wwi
sorry, if thats dumb questions.
lusty grotto
nah youre fine
hollow sphinx
just new to that crafting thingi
foggy ingot
It takes a couple weeks, I went pretty ham first two weeks and got it this reset
lusty grotto
id rather stab my foot
violet ginkgo
Hmmmm then if you already use the raid story free enchanted crest then... I am not sure.
If you crafted the 619 by making the new crest, the crest would've cost 45 crest, same crest cost if you upgrade from 610 to 619. but your crafted shield will have better stat aka you can aim it for haste/crit.
lusty grotto
or he can just full send the enchanted gilded
and save runed
there's options
especially if he doesnt have any myth shield ones
violet ginkgo
oh yeah if he went craft insta gilded that will be good but I think he hasn't achieve +9 yet?
violet ginkgo
oh!? heroic court and queen start giving myth crest? 🤔 now that is good news indeed.
tribal wharf
am 602, when i know for sure i can run 11 delve i will run loads of them
violet ginkgo
delve's currency is a bit too little Nim, plus the map is rare.
tribal wharf
but 8 is cap for vault
lusty grotto
its been 3 weeks
violet ginkgo
Well is there a good reason to run 11? I mean if 8 is your max loot and vault.
lusty grotto
he for sure has to have some
tribal wharf
yes
because you can get gilded, especially with the map
and with "hidden" treasure bonues
hollow sphinx
what you guys talking about. i dont understand a single word.
tribal wharf
we talking about delve
lusty grotto
do you have gilded crests
tribal wharf
and the currency u can get
hollow sphinx
not by now
tribal wharf
i need to find out what key lvl i need to get runed crest
hollow sphinx
no gilded ones
lusty grotto
oof youve been unlucky
violet ginkgo
i need to find out what key lvl i need to get runed crest
runed is heroic crest right? it start from +4
hollow sphinx
tribal wharf
i still very bigly need carveds
lusty grotto
nvm its right im an idiot
tribal wharf
and more so, valor stones.
lusty grotto
anyway i said youre unlucky because maps in delves give out gilded
so that means you have not gotten a single one from maps, or gotten maps at all
hollow sphinx
u doing delves besides bountiful ones?
violet ginkgo
Yes if I need some ach
jagged gust
Good ol' ach
edgy bone
+11 delves give gilded crests?
jagged gust
8+
violet ginkgo
I usually just run 8 bountiful a week and call it. Then go to raid or M+
gilded only if you got "map" I heard
edgy bone
You need a delve MAP to get gilded or just a +8 straight up
Delves are fkn trash I haven't run a single one since m+ came out
jagged gust
Chance to get 2 gilded, it's a waste of time, you have a chance to get 2
violet ginkgo
yeah well the map is more like chance for some heroic drop rather than gilded crest.
jagged gust
Hey if that's your only access to hero gear, farm away
Dutiful delivers will probably have full 6/6 hero gear by the end of the season, that ain't bad
edgy bone
Hey if that's your only access to hero gear, farm away
That's implying you can't complete a +7
Who tf can't complete a +7
jagged gust
Probably a good 80% of the population
violet ginkgo
none I think.
the 2 embelishment go to armors (dawn/dusk) none to the weapon/shield.
neon elk
Iirc u can put thread to shield cant you?
hoary pivot
You can put the Elemental Lense emb on a shield though
violet ginkgo
oh I see hmmm well then nickname up to you if you want to put one in the shield or not.
dire basin
hello, can anyone help me review logs? just want to check what our warrior can do to improve his gameplay, he's kinda new to prot
foggy ingot
67% shield block uptime
violet ginkgo
I am not expert but... I'd say too much revenge, lack SS?
foggy ingot
That's so many revenges sheeeeesh
violet ginkgo
especially he is mountain thane, revenge shouldn't be that much on Mountain thane.
lusty grotto
78% effective block uptime
he needs to keep SB up
and he needs to prio SS = TB > TC > Revenge/Exe as Thane
in keys
hes pressing the wrong buttons
his APM is painfully low as well
like really REALLY bad
6.9 APM on SS
thats just borderline afking
foggy ingot
Also he needs to do about a hundred delves for gear
soft aspen
what tab is shield block uptime under
lusty grotto
damage taken
hover over blocked hits like melee
for effective uptime
meaning blocking when getting hit
valid knot
What embellishment for shield in m+? Crit or vers? 80%+ one
foggy ingot
Hover the bar iirc
violet ginkgo
yes then you hover on that hit number
soft aspen
lusty grotto
so real quick summary:
- he needs to get better at managing Shield Block (SB) it needs to be as close to 100% as possible, he cannot let it drop while tanking
- he needs to SS=TB > TC > Revenge/Execute as a priority
- he needs to press IP at 70+ rage, not Revenge
- direct him to the Wowhead or Icyveins guides
balmy remnant
He needs to read his abilities as well
lusty grotto
this shit is "how NOT to play thane 101"
neon elk
Is there something like wowanalyzer but updated ? Something that quickly tells me what i did wrong without analyzing everything by myself?
soft aspen
since we checking out logs, anyone wanna critique my 9 cot? i got some very helpful info earlier just wanted to see if any new feedbacks from you guys
radiant pewter
does chaos brand increase damage from mountain thanes lightning
lusty grotto
yes
violet ginkgo
this shit is "how NOT to play thane 101"
I think this is also not that fine for Colossus right? even if you press revenge more often compared to thane.
lusty grotto
youre correct
terse swift
Hey guys 🙂
How good is our 4p set?
I'm currently facing following choice from the vault:
Get 2/8 hero (616) legs and change them to set with catalyst or get a veteran set helmet (587) and use my 4/8 champion legs for the catalyst to get the 4p
What would you recommend?
For fury the legs would be the better option. But for prot?
violet ginkgo
our 2p and 4p set bonus pretty much just meh just consider it not exist XD
terse swift
Alright that makes it a lot easier haha, thanks
Then I'll just take the legs and be happy about it lmao
balmy remnant
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7yh2jmANLCKXb1VR#fight=4&type=damage-done&s...
Too much revenge not enough demo
And I will not elaborate
mellow quartz
this is stitchflesh damage, guess what the mage was doing
boss jumps away with 18% hp left and add dies before hook comes out
sometimes man idk
dire basin
thanks everyone, ill tell him to read eevrything u guys said ❤️
rose pier
Hello. Do we know which item are bis for crafted gear / embelishment ?
bleak breach
this shit is "how NOT to play thane 101"
That looks like a colossus fight in the wrong spec haha
bleak breach
Hello. Do we know which item are bis for crafted gear / embelishment ?
Do Wrists/belt or boots. Shield if you’re not doing 10s or mythic raid
trim condor
boss jumps away with 18% hp left and add dies before hook comes out
I dunno how arcane works, but you want to burn down add before next one in higher keys. Double add is aids for healing
smoky anvil
I dunno how arcane works, but you want to burn down add before next one in highe...
Does stacking pulsing dmg right?
lusty grotto
im 200% sure
alyrion knows this already
and was just posting so that we look at a bad mage
in case that was lost somehow
trim condor
Does stacking pulsing dmg right?
Yes and if you let third Hook, there is 2 adds, even for while, it can kill people
smoky anvil
in case that was lost somehow
I’m many things, capable of using my brain isn’t one of them.
mellow quartz
the first issue was the mage hard sent into the add, if he had sent into the boss he had died before the 3rd hook and the add would have died to passive cleave before 2nd spawn
tribal wharf
3000 haste wtf
knotty idol
Yo could anyone quickly explain why the strength + armor leg enchant is better than the stamina + strength enchant? Don't we already have a crap ton of armor?
trim condor
the first issue was the mage hard sent into the add, if he had sent into the bos...
Ah yeah, I had few arcanes that melted boss in seconds. Dude shooted to 4M dps in +10 there
jagged pier
Yo could anyone quickly explain why the strength + armor leg enchant is better t...
armour gives strength
mellow quartz
Ah yeah, I had few arcanes that melted boss in seconds. Dude shooted to 4M dps i...
60% damage amp will do that for you
knotty idol
armour gives strength
Gotcha cheers
trim condor
60% damage amp will do that for you
Yeah, + arcane stacking
mighty valley
i'm guessing this mage just heard somewhere that killing the add is more important than it used to be in sl and is overcompensating
split pebble
any shield crafter on a52 D:
valid knot
What embelleshment do i put on shield for m+?
split pebble
i'm guessing this mage just heard somewhere that killing the add is more importa...
the whole talk around the general community is that you have to kill aboms quick due to the dot
or you triple spear lust and 1 phase surgeon
tribal wharf
any shield crafter on a52 D:
i am but thats also the lvl of my blacksmithing
so it probably wont be a good result
real fossil
Where is thunder clap have I gone crazy
split pebble
prob merged with thunder blast
hollow sphinx
below devastator.
split pebble
what font is that on the details window btw
soft tusk
What are u guys spending ur spark on?
hollow sphinx
what font is that on the details window btw
@lusty grotto see 😄
soft tusk
Shield and boots?
hollow sphinx
"BEBAS NEUE"
soft tusk
@lusty grotto what did u spend ur sparks on?
split pebble
its pretty wdym
lusty grotto
nothing yet
split pebble
better than expressway
shell iron
I find prot warrior hard to get used to he has like 30+ abilities he all needs🙃
split pebble
ok its ugly on that one lol. but looks nice on detials
lusty grotto
anyway Prom im crafting after tonight's raid
depends on what i end up with
i.e. filling lowest ilvl slots etc
btw yes that breakdown is no bueno B.Sinala
but a log would be better
hollow sphinx
have to track it next time
balmy crescent
Is prot war tier set good?
jagged pier
No
tribal wharf
emo ghuun
soft tusk
he just wants a hug
wise lance
is it possible making any macro casting ravager + Champion's spear at the same time?
lusty grotto
no
wise lance
yikes
molten gorge
🤔
warm plinth
I got a promotion
lusty grotto
congrats!!
warm plinth
Thanks
lusty grotto
aw fuck
wowhead posted the machinist cheese
gonna get nerfed today
even i was quiet about it here lmao
sullen gust
Out of curiosity why might Thunderous roar be getting nerfed? I thought it had been in a good place where each hero spec plays roar and spear respectively?
lusty grotto
its not
its a tooltip change
it was already like that
oh
it actually did get SL capped further
lol
i guess blizzard needed a fury nerf to keep the masses from rioting
or something
makes no difference honestly
we already do not play troar in M+
so that nerf is 🤷
pretty sure its a fury intended nerf too
indigo roost
Anyone know what embellishment i should put on my wep, Dorki and the other guys on the top of raider.io have different ones
round pendant
So about reset raid nights having better leaders
guy kicks my friend for being fourth healer and invites a higher ilvl healer
even though there was no healing issues
imagine optimising your group when it's full and there's no issues with the kills at all (1 shot everything)???
lusty grotto
could have been a friend?
round pendant
nah it was an applicant
lusty grotto
but yeah thats kinda scummy
anyway i think im gonna stop answering questions about "but streamer is using x"
ive had enough seasons addressing that to begin with
strong forum
high bluff
Which enchant for the weapon will be better: Radiant Power or Depths?
round pendant
does the mats you use to craft an item affect how hard it is to recraft it later?
sand pebble
Yes
round pendant
that's fucking stupid
especially since it doesn't tell you anywhere on the item after you make it that it's shit
what an awful fucking system
sand pebble
Only Crafers know this pain
round pendant
absolute dog water system
trim wind
Does it matter if I use r1 rather than r3 mats for crafting rhe Enchanted Harbinger Gilded thing for the bracers craft?
warm plinth
Crafting orders: good
Crafted gear actually being useful: good
All the weird frilly extra parts of it: bad
round pendant
Yeah
lusty grotto
Does it matter if I use r1 rather than r3 mats for crafting rhe Enchanted Harbin...
of course it matters
sand pebble
Does it matter if I use r1 rather than r3 mats for crafting rhe Enchanted Harbin...
No because the final item doesn't have a quality rank
sand pebble
The crest doesnt*
lusty grotto
right if hes talking about the enchanted crest
trim wind
Aight! Good to know because the price difference is huge
round pendant
So what, I need my item to be q5 without a crest for me to get a guaranteed q5 with a runed crest?
I can just get it reforged twice?
lusty grotto
what
lusty grotto
why woudl you make an item without a crest
round pendant
because it's already made
lusty grotto
just send it with t3 mats, whats so hard about it
round pendant
Wdym
warm plinth
I'm confused, hang on
round pendant
Rn it's not a guaranteed t5 recraft according to the guy I just asked to reforge it
with t3 mats
lusty grotto
send the recraft, with t3 mats
trim wind
I'm also confused. Lets all follow this.
warm plinth
The original question was "does the mats you use to craft an item affect how hard it is to recraft it later?" Is this new? That's not how it was last expansion
warm plinth
That would be a really odd (and bad) change if that's the case
lusty grotto
its not guaranteed cause hes a dogshit crafter that doesnt wanna use concentration
or a skill thingie
lusty grotto
that is literally gifted from doing npc orders
mellow quartz
In GB if you get 3 rive debuffs on you (60% increased physical damage taken) things actually hurt.
6.6m rive hit, 2m melee hit, 3m brutal strike hit 😦
round pendant
he bitched and moaned about me having a non-maxed base weapon
and then cancelled my order
so sad
lusty grotto
so go next
trim wind
Most often +5s. How to even get a +40 or whatever.
round pendant
yeah I've been spamming people
lusty grotto
add him to ignore for being a dick bag
what item even is this
if hes gonna bitch and moan when youre probably decking out a good commission he can go f himself
round pendant
yeah I was gonna give him 20k
lusty grotto
jesus fuck
tribal wharf
people are WILD for ara kara
lusty grotto
for that i would have used all my concentration
tribal wharf
i listed a key and within 10 seconds applications are full
lusty grotto
its true
my iq goes down 200 every time someone asks about why x warrior is using y embelish as seen in raider.io/murloc/warcraflogs/etc
lusty grotto
100%
lusty grotto
also it goes down 400 if they ask why is Nerftank using x
karmic gyro
if the item wasn't made with rank3 materials from the start it will require a few recrafts with rank3 mats to override the original craft
fresh pilot
