protection

[merry sluice]

why is this

the stuff i see

when i look into skyhold

smh

[valid bridge]

It is a big sploogy animation

[fresh pilot]

My trinkets are poop, and getting zero drops from runs, so figure if my chance of getting something decent is higher if i spec DPS, might be worth a shot

[zealous goblet]

warrior brainrot

5am shitpost

[sweet summit]

don't lump the rest of us together with you

[blazing condor]

sir its 10:42

[zealous goblet]

so as i was saying

warrior brainrot, 5am shitpost

[blazing condor]

u on some real schizo posting

[zealous goblet]

est is the only timezone everyone else is fuckign wrong

[jagged pier]

im still using detacable fang

[zealous goblet]

just how life is

[jagged pier]

[zealous goblet]

not in the bis list, pls execute yourself at 35%

[fresh pilot]

Fro what ive read, i "want" to get the trinket from NW.

not sure why its so good..

[sweet summit]

didn't hook get nuked

[blazing condor]

damege

[valid bridge]

Found it, its this one

[jagged pier]

we dont care about that

[fresh pilot]

If hook got nuked, what trinkets is worth aiming after?

[sweet summit]

sac and gb one is what i'm aiming for

[jagged pier]

any of these

[sweet summit]

but I don't have access to raid trinkets

[sand pebble]

get the delve trinket

[zealous goblet]

ah yes, sacbrood, and sacbrood but purple 😎

what the fuck is that

[vivid orchid]

egg

[sand pebble]

remembering not to jump for 28 secs is a fun little mini game

[blazing condor]

normal sac and one with torsion

[fresh pilot]

so yeah sac, i have that in a 616 version. so hoping for the GB one then.

[sweet summit]

FUCK

[vivid orchid]

noo

[hoary pivot]

Do I take the trinket or the 3rd Tier piece which is a Champion -> Hero Upgrade? 🤔

[sand pebble]

sac

[zealous goblet]

if you twist your nut, and then pull it'll pluck off like a grape on a vine, making for a nutritious and effortless snack

[jagged pier]

both hero track both will probably get replaced

so

what u like

[sand pebble]

4pc > sac > not 4 pc

[jagged pier]

your over valuing 4 pc

it literally does nothing

[heady pollen]

guys, I'm having a struggle, someone decide for me please.
I have mythic set head , and mythic head with socket on vault.
(also a bunch of other shit but that doesn't matter).

I have 1 catalyst.
I have 4p ( head, chest, shoulder = all hero ) + legs (champion)

I'm thinking head with socket then turn catalyst is great idea as I save 1 vault to get the socket.
But, my leg is still champion, and I'll only have catalyst for 2 weeks.. ( I'm probably not getting any hero set from raid )

What would you boys do?

[hoary pivot]

i currently have 2pc but champion track in the other two slots

so this wouldn't really be 4pc until i get a hero upgrade in a tier slot

guess ill take the broodsac if its still that good

[hoary pivot]

i mean yes, but not very soon. i do not do mythic raid.

[zealous goblet]

blizzor try to not make dps trinkets better than tank trinkets challenge (impossible)

[hoary pivot]

i think its even BIS for HPal xD

[shrewd ore]

mythic head with socket 4 sure -> catalyst, champ can be upgraded to same as hero anyways basically

[azure wraith]

is the scarab good for m+?

[shrewd ore]

and u might loot myth legs from first boss meanwhile for next cata

[heady pollen]

need to wait 2 weeks for next cata

[shrewd ore]

ya ik, but you can still loot the hero legs in that time also from raid, idk if u have a guild or not

[heady pollen]

I do, but i just clear heroic with them.
Well, I kinda wanted to go head with socket, well, I might be lucky and get some mythic set legs from vault anyway 😄

[shrewd ore]

yea, and i think hero set legs drop 616 only anyways and you can still upgrade ur champ legs 4 free anyways to 613 via m+

[lilac meteor]

question and im talking below 10s. any thought into running Mountain thane for consistent damage on waves?

or is running the regular build the way still

probably because of boss damage still

woops wrong one

[zealous goblet]

uhh

you mean colossus?

what the hell is a wave

[shrewd ore]

I think he wanted to post in fury 🙂

[zealous goblet]

i've literally never played arms or fury

i am a tank player in classic, i am a tank player here

[obsidian girder]

Hey guys, just started and hit the ilvl 600 mark. Should I always tank in def stance ? Found some guides that said so. M+ colleagues tell me to go full battle stance and only def stance if we start pushing higher keys

[graceful kite]

Battle stance gives really low offensive benefit now

[obsidian girder]

So more of a stance dance ?

[graceful kite]

Once you're familiar with an encounter you could test out doing it in battle stance

Use defensive as a default stance

When you know things you're pulling aren't dangerous to you do them in battle stance

[civic holly]

Hi guys, is 639 haste version or 639 haste crit weap better than 636 ascendance weapon for m+m

[graceful kite]

sim it

[zealous goblet]

reminder, for low level content and shit, because i have little experience in higher content, prot warriors are mitigation tanks, not blood death knights. you will either be healthy as fuck, or on death's door, and if you're on death's door, it means you probably didn't do a mechanic right

[jagged pier]

u need to sim it with other emblishments

other wise its not a fair comparison

but probably

[civic holly]

Ok so I don't waste my crests on it. Thanks

[zealous goblet]

my point of this mild rant is ilvl isn't too big of a deal until a certain point

[graceful kite]

I might pick shoulder 5th tier in place of skarmorak I think

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt waste my crests on ascension wep no

[graceful kite]

myth skarmorak is like 500 dps ahead of hero track broodsac and it's a 90 gilded investment

[civic holly]

Whats good to spend crests on?

[graceful kite]

it depends on your situation

[jagged pier]

what crests?

[civic holly]

Ha all of em

[jagged pier]

well first 2 tiers are garbo

[civic holly]

Maybe craft belt with vers embi

[jagged pier]

runed crafted pieces and then on whatever

[graceful kite]

I think myth track tier shoulders with avoidance are great and it opens up getting a socketed helm very hard choice

[jagged pier]

giled save for myth pieces

[civic holly]

Thanks jakey

[dusk sand]

do u have any tips on gathering packs ? say if u wanted to pull the first three of necrotic wake (left 3 tiny ones, straight ahead pack and the 3 pack ahead with abom thing)

[graceful kite]

I run left clap leap to middle avatar clap charge to far away one and throw a ravager in the middle

but you can ask someone else to tag them

or throw a weapon

I just find leaping more consistent in terms of getting aggro on everything and not relying on others

[dusk sand]

ok ty

what about the second boss? where all the mobs are v spread and especially the casters

how do u handle that

[blazing condor]

put boss in the corner

and they spawn on around him

since there's walls on one half of the boss you make the ads only spawn on the other side

instead of 360 around

[pure orbit]

[round pendant]

gd how do I hit that 15 cpm shield slam

[strong forum]

Don't overspend on ignore pain, so you can fish for resets with revenge

[round pendant]

Yeah I think that's my issue now

Got my damage back up to pretty "acceptable" levels now

but I need to bring that SS number UP

[graceful kite]

shaman in a group

I hate crafting cartels

[round pendant]

I despise the crafting system

[graceful kite]

leveling your own profession alts is a blessing

[round pendant]

Isn't that a big time investment

[graceful kite]

nah

I leveled bs on my dh for less than 30k gold and am able to craft all myth lvl swords

[round pendant]

How much effort is it to be able to craft highest tier gear yourself

[graceful kite]

with r2 embelishments and alloys

and people in chat request everything r3 and a fee

[round pendant]

Yeah there's a lot of people who take advantage of the fact that it's pretty much a black box (it's not really) for non-crafters

[graceful kite]

this craft literally already saves 30k on mats compared to what people ask and crafting 1 item for yourself makes you net neutral in terms of gold

[fresh pilot]

Sorry might be silly, but how do you craft 636 item lvl?

[round pendant]

I still find it absurd that people want 15k fees to click a button

The whole system is a joke

[graceful kite]

you get gilded crests in 9+ dungeons, buy a nascent crest for 90 of them at enchanters table, enchant (order an enchant with 0 fee) to an anchenter, find someone to craft you your item in chat and order it to them

[fresh pilot]

Ah yeah the gilded one ofc.

[idle oar]

Hows prot tier?

[graceful kite]

but you will get scammed on the way so profession alt is the way

[idle oar]

Gonna get 4pc today

[azure wraith]

is transmitter decent for prot?

[graceful kite]

all tank tier are dogwater 3% dr

[jagged pier]

bad

[idle oar]

So fury/prot dogshit

And arms?

[strong forum]

Worse than fury

But better than prot

[graceful kite]

arms isn't bat afaik

[strong forum]

Arms tier is literally only 3% dmg

[graceful kite]

isnt fury 2%

[idle oar]

Lol

[graceful kite]

so its 50% better

[strong forum]

Fury is 6%

[potent bough]

hi guys what do you think about craft shield beledar's bulwark ?

[graceful kite]

Guess I've seen wrong sims

[graceful kite]

bad

craft an everforged defender and embelish it with lining embelishment if you want to

[strong forum]

Ah nvm

Fury is only 2%

My apologies

So yeah, all 3 warrior sets are literally lamo

Prot takes the cake tho

Powerful dps gains

You can almost see them

[idle oar]

So i crafted wrists with crit embeishement 80% and a 1hander

What should i craft for my 3rd slot?

Boots + crit?

[lilac meteor]

Right now most warriors are trying to get gilded crests to boost MH

recraft

[idle oar]

Maybe i should just go shield

Since my shield is only 610

[strong forum]

Shield

Should've been your first craft but oh well

[daring sable]

cheers, got this trinket in my fault and saw its not shown on our tierlist at all
https://i.imgur.com/iZ8stPg.png
why is that?

[idle oar]

My 1h was 580

Good thing i crafted it

[strong forum]

If a trinket isnt shown on the list, it's a pretty bad trinket

[idle oar]

Since i havent got 1 dropped

I got 2x hero 2handers though

[daring sable]

yeah its rather on the defensive side of things - i thought it'd be rather nice for m+ maybe.

[strong forum]

Yeah it's alright in m+, but doesn't provide any dmg output or reliable defensive gain you can count on

It reduces dmg intake from blockable/parryable/dodgable attacks in large pulls by very large amounts, but

[daring sable]

yeha my vault is kinda stacked with haste mastery except for the necklace

[strong forum]

I'd get that phat crit neck

[daring sable]

thats what i thought

[strong forum]

That trinket just doesn't provide a lot of things compared to just sac, mandate or the on-use mastery trinkets

It's at best a crest saver

(you save 15 gilded crests on 1 trinket slot)

[graceful kite]

Oh Nome can you give me an advice

[daring sable]

yeah, the necklace i can get pretty easily hehe

[graceful kite]

Myth track skarmorak shard or tier shoulders with avoidance

[daring sable]

i mainly play m+ but also some raiding

[graceful kite]

I have 4p and shoulders are non-tier rn

[strong forum]

Id say myth shoulders

[graceful kite]

Thinking the same

[daring sable]

^2nd this

[strong forum]

Unless you mythic raid

[graceful kite]

Really dont want to invest gilded in skarm

[strong forum]

And you have bad trinkets

Like yeah myth skarm is good, but

Tier has more merit if you're in a mythic guild

[graceful kite]

I dont raid but even hc track broodsac and mark are on a level with myth skarm

[strong forum]

Yeh

It's easier to get myth shoulders than myth skarm

But

Cuz catalyst exists

But eeeeh

Idk I'm generally not a fan to pick m+ trinkets from vault

Myth tier is a 1 and done type deal

Trinkets are situational

[graceful kite]

It already has avoidance and it opens up fishing for socketed helm

To catalyst

[stable shard]

guys we craft weap or shield first?

[strong forum]

Shield for defense, can also slap embellish onto it

Weapon for dmg

[graceful kite]

Shield

[stable shard]

ty

[strong forum]

So up to you what you want more

[lilac meteor]

i dont know how anyone plays fury outside of nightelf. especially in fort keys when you are lusting on trash packs. youre basically depending on your tank to crit his abilities

[jagged pier]

not really

they can wait for a few seconds to give the tank time

[lilac meteor]

noted

[jagged pier]

or they can rely on the tank playing properly

they can also speak in the correct channel too

[daring sable]

btw thanks for weighin in on my vault.
i think ill go try the trinket and use the gilded scarab track for arakara trinket once i get it.

[lilac meteor]

xd

[jagged pier]

C:

[daring sable]

ask the prot warrior to challenging shout on big pull and you all good (yes no other tanks exist in this very correct channel)

[lilac meteor]

Yeah.. ive had a few feral tanks in 9s lately and i think prot warriors i dont have the issue..

[toxic geyser]

Thoughts on crafting a shield?

[graceful kite]

Good thought i like it

7/10

[toxic geyser]

C:

[daring sable]

big yes, but dont use the one with the versa embellishment

[graceful kite]

Its good with prot war

[fossil dragon]

What the hell is that

[graceful kite]

We have a hidden vanilla ability level tech

[toxic geyser]

Just saw that you guys were literally JUST talking about crafting a shield lmao

[jagged pier]

a myth track tier piece

good vault

[fossil dragon]

Yeah but

I have 3/4 and already have legs

[jagged pier]

do u have them myth track?

cause u aint ever replacing them

plus our tier does nothing

[lilac meteor]

i actually thought i was in the fury warrior discord again XD my bad

[jagged pier]

so dont matter if u have 0 or 5 piece

[toxic geyser]

What embellish do we slap on them?

[jagged pier]

[surreal herald]

Are you wasting gilded crests on anything that is not crafts or myth track?

[jagged pier]

lining

[jagged pier]

u cant

[graceful kite]

You can but you shouldnt

[toxic geyser]

Crit one?

[jagged pier]

users choice

[graceful kite]

Hero track above 4 spends gilded

Or...

[jagged pier]

isnt that also lowest myth track tho

to technically

i mean i wouldnt spend giled on a none myth piece anyway

thats just dumb

[graceful kite]

i actually think thane talent to intervene shield is really good

I forgot about the ability for like 2 expansions already

[fossil dragon]

Yeah, true but it still hurts cause my guild skips me with every set piece on raids and i don't fumble any tank mechanics and outdps half of our dps. I know for a fact i'm not getting a 4set for 2 more weeks

[graceful kite]

And now remembering how nice it is

[jagged pier]

good they should give it to ppl that get the most out of it

our tier is literally 1.6% dps

[fossil dragon]

Well, these guys don't

[jagged pier]

u also get tier this week regardless

with KSM or AOTC

[fossil dragon]

Green parses with gear not much lower than mine

[jagged pier]

and 2 catat charges

dont play tank if u care about loot

tanks are always lowest prio

[fossil dragon]

Yeah, they do but our 2nd tank that's below me somehow gets every item he wants

[robust urchin]

Female? Guild Leaders GF?

[fossil dragon]

Even took the hc bis 1hand even though he's a pala

Nope

He quit yesterday

[robust urchin]

[fossil dragon]

Hate my life

[robust urchin]

Pumped and Dumped

Based Paladin

[fossil dragon]

He got 2 tier sets and a omnitoken

[jagged pier]

well dont complain to us maybe bring it upo to your guild and loot council?

[robust urchin]

Your guild got hoodwinked

Bamboozled

[tender reef]

Got played by big emo milkers

[robust urchin]

Les astray

[tender reef]

Unmitigatable guild buster

[robust urchin]

That Paladin atomic leg dropped your guild like Hulk Hogan did Andre the Giant

[stable shard]

checked best embelish, we agree this one is worst than 80% hp versa ?

[robust urchin]

It's so over

[jagged pier]

yes its fucking bad

[graceful kite]

Yes

[tender reef]

I agree it's the gem laser

[fossil dragon]

We also had a new resto druid that parsed like 2 but we decided to let him learn, he got spymasters and a shit ton of other stuff. When he said he needed a dps trinket after getting 2 bis trinkets from raid, when he didn't get it he insta left the guild

[robust urchin]

Your guild sounds kinda dogshit

[jagged pier]

sounds like thats an easy leave guild time

[graceful kite]

You can always gquit if you dont like it

[fossil dragon]

Well i got friends in it so

[robust urchin]

Especially your GMS and other higher ups

[fossil dragon]

I don't plan on mythic raiding anyway

[robust urchin]

Doesn't matter still sound like a shitty guile

[jagged pier]

dont plan and mythic raiding and complains about getting myth piece in vault

[graceful kite]

Why are you feeding loot to someone if youre not mythic raidint

[robust urchin]

If several people use your guild for easy gear to move up to better guilds

[graceful kite]

How does it work even

[robust urchin]

It means your guild is not a good guild

[strong forum]

Sounds like a heroic progress guild alright

[fossil dragon]

It's not but i raid as a complementary for fun

[strong forum]

Having people lose it over a few purps

[fossil dragon]

Oh yeah we progress hard 2 hours on hc ovinax

[strong forum]

Yeah

Yeah

[robust urchin]

Have you tried princess yet

[fossil dragon]

Yeah

We beat her

[robust urchin]

But you failed at ovinaxx?

[strong forum]

That's about the level I expect people to make a huge fuss over loot to leave guilds even after being fed

[fossil dragon]

She took 2 hours as well

[strong forum]

People can act incredibly entitled

[robust urchin]

Normal guilds are way worse

[strong forum]

Yeah I know

But I don't wanna be too patronising

[fossil dragon]

It's the people that actually do the worst that leave

[strong forum]

Yeup

[graceful kite]

I think feeding by itself creates this mindset

[strong forum]

The worse the player, the more entitled they act

[robust urchin]

It's a coping mechanism

[fossil dragon]

I sometimes outhealed that healer that left as a prot on raid

That's how bad it was

But it was funny so

[robust urchin]

Honestly man take your friends and find a new guild

[strong forum]

Now imagine classic progress guilds

[robust urchin]

Your officers and Gm sound like absolutely mongos

[strong forum]

They literally send deaththreats over loot

Cuz they can't beat 16+ yo content in 1 day

[fossil dragon]

The gm is fun but the only problem he has is terrible loot management

[robust urchin]

Classic and their Andy players don't exist in my world

[pallid quiver]

Yo I remember when people would send death threats over loot when old content was modern. Ah yes, the good old days of checks notes Dragonflight?

[robust urchin]

I enjoyed leveling up in classic and doing dire maul and sholo and stuff and that's it

Didn't even do a single raid because of how dogshit the culture is thete

[strong forum]

I didn't even make it to level 10 before I quit

[fossil dragon]

He's afraid new people will leave if they don't get loot so he funnels it to them

[strong forum]

That's....

The exact opposite

[jagged pier]

thats hc level guild right there

[robust urchin]

What a fucking moron

[strong forum]

By funneling loot into people he will make them leave

Cuz they already got what they want

So now they jump ship to a better guild

[woeful trellis]

It’s the same with woman or

[strong forum]

Cuz they yoinked the good shit

[jagged pier]

woman will suck u dry just game

[graceful kite]

Thats how you remove competition

[fossil dragon]

The healer left for a normal progression guild

[jagged pier]

[fossil dragon]

Nobody will seriously take them on any raid if they still parse below 10 with good gear

[robust urchin]

He's gonna top the parses there for sure with his HC gear

[fossil dragon]

Doubt that

[strong forum]

(he's being sarcastic)

[robust urchin]

[fossil dragon]

Sorry, i'm being autistic

[robust urchin]

[glacial skiff]

Why isn't this the suggested build for keys?

[robust urchin]

Fucking Skyhold chat

[strong forum]

Cuz it's bad

[jagged pier]

because its a bad build

[fossil dragon]

Anyway, thanks for the loot tip

[glacial skiff]

i feel like this build is like 1000x better than the one with ravager and piercing challenge

[strong forum]

Why would that be

[graceful kite]

Your feelings are wrong

[glacial skiff]

you say that, but im doing close to 1m in keys and not dying

[fossil dragon]

Ravager is great

[strong forum]

You're doing less dmg, generate less rage

You don't have intervene

You're not any tankier

[robust urchin]

Honestly man think about another guild with your friends, even if it's just a casual thing for your

[jagged pier]

well might be if your playing incorrectly and procing bsv on cd i suppose

[glacial skiff]

im getting 10% more stam than the suggested build, BSV has saved my life tons of times

[dull sparrow]

general advice for a newer prot warrior in keys. until we get the rage to get IP rolling I seem to get slapped at the start of pulls. do people pop something pre pull? like a Last stand or Shield wall?

[jagged pier]

called it

[glacial skiff]

but i guess healer incompetence

[graceful kite]

I think this guy is trollint

[urban portal]

Stam is the not a good defensive stat

[jagged pier]

block

[strong forum]

I've not yet died in any key as tank

[glacial skiff]

IP scales off of stam, what

[urban portal]

Also key level matters

[graceful kite]

Always cycle cooldowns

[robust urchin]

Shield Charge for free Shield Block and Demo shout for rage

[fossil dragon]

I don't mind the slow progress and stuff, it's kinda funny actually and i don't feel competitive about raiding at all, also most of my friends are also good friends with the gm

[urban portal]

Ip cap does

[strong forum]

IP cap

[urban portal]

Per press it scales off of ap

[sweet summit]

Ip is a rage spender not main mitigation
using wall early is a lot better than never and last stand is lowkey your ownly oh shit button

[strong forum]

You can always send SW on pull

[sweet summit]

and it sucks at that

[strong forum]

Cuz it's a turbo short cooldown

Same with last stand as filler for when sw is down, to stabilise

[robust urchin]

Well you're way more patient then I am then I'd have fucked off already and told my friends to fuck off if they wanna keep being in there

[graceful kite]

You should send it on pull

[glacial skiff]

Listen, you say it's a shit build my most key pushing prot warr's in RIO are using my exact build

[urban portal]

When was the last time you logged in to wow

[glacial skiff]

so......

[strong forum]

Nobody is pushing keys bud

[jagged pier]

filter down effect brother

[strong forum]

I did the rank1 stonevault prot key with my exact build

[sweet summit]

17 hours ago or so :3

[harsh trellis]

brother intensifies

[fossil dragon]

I wouldn't raid at all if it wasn't with friends, i enjoy m+ way more

[strong forum]

And never dropped below 80%

So what now

[jagged pier]

nomes literally done top 10 keys in the world

[strong forum]

Anywho

[urban portal]

No way you still playing wow

[sweet summit]

me when appeal to authority and the authority is just good at keys and not good at prot

[robust urchin]

Good to have something to enjoy on the game I guess

[urban portal]

I thought you quit

[robust urchin]

[jagged pier]

you want to play that build thats fine, but its suboptimal and not the correct thing to be doing

[strong forum]

That build is suboptimal, if it helps you, great, but it's not a good build

[sweet summit]

i did, but i'm back now

turbo casual

[urban portal]

Fug

[sweet summit]

in my books

[urban portal]

Now I have to get back

[strong forum]

BSV doesn't do anything currently if you just play well

[robust urchin]

Carried by healer

[urban portal]

I wish I was in eu I wanna play with erga

[strong forum]

So all you're doing is losing dmg and rage gen for no reason

[sweet summit]

join us, we have eumaid

[strong forum]

Not picking intervene is also troll when stormshield is a free 500k magic absorb on a party member every 30seconds

Triple stormbolt is bad cuz it puts stormbolt on a longer cd and hits random targets instead of just the one you want

[glacial skiff]

ok so the guides also say swarmlords is bad, but from my experiene its a top tier trinket in keys too. slightly more hps than indom

[strong forum]

Not getting piercing challenge is less dmg and rage generation, 5% stamina ain't gonna help you with shit

[robust urchin]

It doesn't hit your target plus 2 others?

[urban portal]

Did maid make an account in eu

[sweet summit]

yea

[strong forum]

It does, but the 2 others are just random

[urban portal]

Wait a minute

Hmm

[sweet summit]

hmmm

[strong forum]

Swarm lords authotiry is hps padding doesn't provide any useful mitigation

[urban portal]

I can’t afford 1 account much less 2

[jagged pier]

holy

[strong forum]

Doesn't provide any dmg output either

[jagged pier]

today

[sweet summit]

gg..

[tender reef]

In a Pub stormbolt is great lol

[strong forum]

It's just a bad rageheart

[sinful light]

so are we crafting yet boys?

[strong forum]

I'm talking about triple stormbolt...

[jagged pier]

sure

[tender reef]

Me too

[strong forum]

So idk where you get all these bad takes from keksecutr

[sinful light]

im guessing shield?

[strong forum]

But they're, not well thought out

[robust urchin]

I mean yeah I figured, I still like that talent and hope we get to use it one day

[glacial skiff]

piercing is 10 extra rage and slightly stronger spear, but i don't feel gimped w/o the extra spear damage

[tender reef]

3 interrupts nobody of the dds would kick

[jagged pier]

whatever u like

[glacial skiff]

and i def dont need the extra rage

[strong forum]

It buffs spear dmg significantly

"don't need extra rage" it's not about need

It's about more is better

[jagged pier]

if u havent or dont get easy access to the myth track shield then craft shield otherwise dont

[strong forum]

Not "need"

[jagged pier]

the spec works of rage u can always use more

[strong forum]

There's not an inherent "need" to increase rage gen, but more rage is better than less rage

It's that simple

[jagged pier]

theres nothing about need

more rage is more damage more suriviability more cds

more is better

[urban portal]

You don’t need 5% stam either

[strong forum]

Yeup

[urban portal]

Unless you are getting one shot from full

[jagged pier]

i mean 5% stam will do literally nothing

[urban portal]

But you aren’t fighting jailer

[jagged pier]

the extra rage will do somthing

[glacial skiff]

304k hit with 557 dot vs 202 hit 371k dot. sure its alot, but only 1.5 min

[muted arch]

Do you guys use the same build for both aoe and st raid bosses?

[strong forum]

Okay?

[glacial skiff]

and if you for any reason need to blow spear without demo shout bc your dps are dumb its kinda lame

[strong forum]

No, I have linked several builds on wowhead

[jagged pier]

no there are slightly different changes, the builds are on wowhead

[strong forum]

Raid and m+ builds are very much different

[glacial skiff]

idk i just think the build im using is good for offspec tanks and those without tank embellishemnts

[jagged pier]

cooldowns

on

cooldown

u dont hold anything

donnt matter if it lines up or not

more rage

[strong forum]

If it works for you, great, but I ain't gonna say it's a good build

Or well thought out

[glacial skiff]

why wouldn't you hold spear for a few seconds for 20% more damage???????

[strong forum]

You can absolutely play it to the highest level of keys

[strong forum]

Cuz it's less dmg

[glacial skiff]

esp in aoe, when you can get CDR much better on demo

[jagged pier]

its less damage overall

as u loose casts

[strong forum]

Don't try to line shit up

Just send it

[jagged pier]

theres a reason me and nome for years have said cooldowns on cooldown

[muted arch]

Sorry what I mean is do you use the same talents for raid bosses that have cleave vs those that dont

[jagged pier]

and thats literally in nomes pfp

[strong forum]

Yeah the sacrifice to get aoe vs not aoe in raid talents is just overwhelming rage

You get large thunderclap and seismic reverb

If you have those in your raid build, you're completely setup for all raid bosses

[muted arch]

Right on, and do you recommend one over the other atm?

[strong forum]

You could opt to get thunder lords for silken court and ovinax but that's about it

Play whichever hero talent you prefer

They're both good

Colossus does a bit more dmg but is slightly less tanky

[muted arch]

Between punish and execute build I mean sorry

[strong forum]

Execute is more dmg but less block uptime

Punish is more consistent dmg and tankier

So depending on how confident you are you can play either aswell

[muted arch]

Perfect thank you

[strong forum]

I'm enjoying colossus rn alot cuz it's just big bampf

So I would probably just play colossus jugg in raid

Until it felt uncomfortable

[robust urchin]

It was supposed to be the savior for arms it's unfair

[fresh pilot]

How does colossus feel in m+ vs. thundergod?

[strong forum]

Hitting those 4million shieldslam crits

[valid needle]

Anyone that can tell me how Authority of the Depths weapon enchant works in aoe? or is it purely ST enchant

[strong forum]

It works in aoe really well aswell

[robust urchin]

Vengeance should spread it just fine

[frank quarry]

What would u guys choose from vault? I'm Fury/Prot

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1288448191179784302/image.png?ex=66f53862&is=66f3e6e2&hm=ec91bab0f0c9f263b012ca56be5b0a364d8643d2fa12e73ba6263a4a5f2c7d0c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=618&height=437

[strong forum]

I've only run it twice now, but it does really good fucking dmg, I did 1.15mil in mists10 and 1mil in ara ara7, never felt squishy

[valid needle]

Thank you friends

[strong forum]

Cloak

[frank quarry]

Its best for both u think?

[strong forum]

Yah

[robust urchin]

It's ilvl upgrade

[fresh pilot]

Ok, and you just open with demolish?

Might be worth a try if its good 😛

[strong forum]

Demolish with 3 stacks or more, avatar, troar and demo shout should naturally line up

[glacial skiff]

sir

also saw a death there xd

[strong forum]

Yeah

And look at what

I was too lazy to get out of a gigantic floor shit

[strong forum]

At last boss

[robust urchin]

Bros searching up receipts I'm dead bruh 💀💀💀💀

[glacial skiff]

also a LOT of wasted rage

[strong forum]

Not rly

[urban portal]

Link your logs lil bro

[strong forum]

That's less than 5%

[glacial skiff]

i wanted to see if i could see what he's doing differently lol

[robust urchin]

Straight up stalking

[strong forum]

If your reasoning is "bro died to an a avoidable mistake and has barely overcapped rage"

Then idk chief

[glacial skiff]

i analyze things by trade, so of course i'm going to analyze

[strong forum]

Yah that's turbo fine but the shots you tried to take

Are coming off a bit cringe

[glacial skiff]

no, the death comment was a joke

[strong forum]

Ah ok

Sounded more like an attempt at a gotcha

[robust urchin]

Frankly I wouldn't trust nomes opinion either, the wowhead guide clear says thane is the spec to go but he is using Colossus

[strong forum]

My bad

[fresh pilot]

Ah OK im not running Troar running the wowhead MT m+ build from in there. could you maybe share your talent build?

[robust urchin]

#fakegamer

[strong forum]

It's true

Spreading misinformation

[strong forum]

My builds are the wowhead builds

Except I run ITF cuz it worked out with last weeks affix pretty well

[robust urchin]

Caught in 8k 4080p

[strong forum]

I'll be uploading my misinformation colossus mists run later today

If anyone gives a shit

[valid needle]

Hope all my very friendly homies be having a good day with a good vault

[robust urchin]

Except for Kanga

[fresh pilot]

OK, so with ITF how is your uptime on block? still 100%?

[strong forum]

I'll surely be looting the 639 neck

[strong forum]

Closer to 90% I think

[pallid quiver]

We pray for you

[strong forum]

Which is still turbo fine

Cuz keys are easy af rn

[fresh pilot]

tbh that should still be plenty.

[valid needle]

This week seems to be the week to do keys

[strong forum]

Literally take 0 dmg

[valid needle]

Atleast if you wanna farm 9s

[strong forum]

Every week is key week

[pallid quiver]

Keys are kinda hard when the healer is pushing a mad 400k HPS

and people are not interrupting

[strong forum]

We be farming 10s

[pallid quiver]

nome how do i do enough damage to solo time 10s

[strong forum]

Just get m+ title and Hof raider players

Works for me

[valid needle]

I did not enjoy 10s last week

(My warrior isn't my main tho)

[strong forum]

I'm referring to my above statement

[pallid quiver]

I just need to get a 9 or a 10 first to get the M+ title and HoF players

[robust urchin]

Buy some mythic boosts

[fresh pilot]

Hopefully i have some more time this week to push more 10s.. only got one last week, work life balance tilting mostly towards work right now..

[muted arch]

From a pure dps standpoint, does revenge ever take priority to shield slamv

[strong forum]

Only as Colossus

[pallid quiver]

If your-

[strong forum]

Outside of that, no

[pallid quiver]

he beat me to it

[muted arch]

Thanks!

[pallid quiver]

Revenge is some noodle damage that consumes rage instead of generating it

Unless you're colossus

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NGCAdPqLXVwa8HrY#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=6

Here's my colossus m+ log

[muted arch]

Is colossus out damaging mountain thane

Or about equal still?

[pallid quiver]

Colossus does more damage, but is notably squishier

[muted arch]

By a large margin ?

[pallid quiver]

Your hero dr talents aren't quite as good, and you're incentivized to press more revenge than TC

[pallid quiver]

It's not by much in ST, but can be stonks damage in AOE

[robust urchin]

Radiant enchant looks kinda like dogshit

[pallid quiver]

Demolish + having a spender that does actual aoe damage does some wonders

[robust urchin]

Is that the average proc rate for it or where you unlucky

[fresh pilot]

my main concern with Demolish is that its an extra botton to smash, feels like i have plenty to do as mountain thane.

[muted arch]

Which build do you guys recommend for mythic prog

[urban portal]

Thane

[pallid quiver]

If it makes you feel better, Colossus plays a lot slower, so you have less to do

In comparison to DF, Thane is faster, while Colossus is slower

[strong forum]

It grants 1.8k str

It's not just dmg

[robust urchin]

Oh nevermind

I thought it was like deeps just dmg

[strong forum]

Nah it does dmg +30-40% uptime on 1.8k str

[tepid reef]

Hi folks, how does positioning bloodbound horror work on heroic? when the adds are split i can't figure it out

[strong forum]

Slightly more dmg

[robust urchin]

That's not bad

[fresh pilot]

ah Ok, so not as fast phased as thane in terms of smashing everything at once?

[robust urchin]

Your DPS have to actually do some work (impossible)

[strong forum]

The adds spawn randomly, the 2nd tank on the outside decides where the beams will spawn based on teh way the boss is looking

[pallid quiver]

I believe it's still faster than most specs in the game, but it is slower than Thane

[strong forum]

Ye

Colossus is like 65cpm

Whereas Thane is 85-95cpm

So there's a considerable difference in "speed"

[pallid quiver]

Overall, you want to make the beams not intersect them for as long as possible, or cross over the 2nd set of adds fairly early, so the other group can follow

[fresh pilot]

Ah okay. but also alot less tanky from what i read both online and in here.

[cosmic canyon]

I've never had this uptime

[strong forum]

[pallid quiver]

@tepid reef So like if the adds are split like this, you should be standing roughly brown area, since beams spin counter-clockwise

[cosmic canyon]

At least according to details after m+ run checking.

[pallid quiver]

Kneejerk easiest way is to always have the right side of the boss just after the adds the other group is starting on

[robust urchin]

I see ur an artist at heart

[strong forum]

These hips may lie but my logs don't

So idk @keening

[cosmic canyon]

Gonna check later again. At work atm

[strong forum]

Same

30% in nw10
33% in sv10
31% in mists 10

So if you now count that logs also count downtime

That shit is closer to 40%

[fresh pilot]

I read some where that they would nerf some of the dungeons today as they were overscaling a lot, anyone herad more about that?

[harsh trellis]

They made adjustments yesterday

[proud heart]

anyone knows why on necrotic wake sometimes dps gets oneshotted by the frontal form first boss and others they dont take any damage?

i keep losing keys to that, they just die to it

[sweet summit]

did they use any form of defensive, and are you helping with intervene?

[proud heart]

i usually only intervene when its the healer

[harsh trellis]

https://youtu.be/evSZbjhAPDQ

[proud heart]

thanks will check it out

[sweet palm]

Hey, would love some help with my vault:

1. pick 619 head, use catalyst (currently have champion track tier head)
2. pick 613 AraAra Sacbrood (currently have champion track and hero track trinkets, but not good ones)
   I'm leaning towards the head to save crests, but not sure how much of a gain the sacbrood actually is?

[proud heart]

it doesnt mention anything about the frontal, but i was just doing one with a furry warr and he didnt take damage on the first but got hit for 6m on the second one he got targeted

is it spell reflectable?

[strong forum]

You can parry it

So melees sometimes parry it

Sometimes dont

[proud heart]

ohhh i see

thanks!

[narrow hull]

Def wanna just sim it. Generic Heroic helm and sac are easily farmable. But sac is very good.

[strong forum]

Heroic crest saving is basically not needed anymore

With this reset

[sweet palm]

Simming only shows me the damage difference right? Yeah due to being able to farm the other, I was mainly thinking about the crest savings from the higher ilvl

[strong forum]

It's more valorstones saving than anything

[narrow hull]

Yeah only damage. Which is what we/you want. If I had to make a blind pick I’d say sac.

[sweet palm]

even without mythic raiding? Can you surpass runed crests this reset already?

[jagged pier]

yes

[untold blaze]

guys please tell me whats better and why DEMOLISH or Thunderblast

iam 2.6k RIO did multi +11 and +10

but im playing demolish but everyone else playing blast

[feral mauve]

its just higher thunderclap / shield slam spam = more rage gen = more mitigation generally

higher mitigation uptime over the course of a key

[hexed pumice]

can you guys help me out with something? Why isnt the Shield "beledars bulwark" recommended as a embellishment?

[feral mauve]

low proc uptime

and no haste is gross

[hexed pumice]

yeah imagined that

to be honest didnt see the stats

well ,ty for the answer

[jagged pier]

colossus will do silightly more damage but u loose survivability

thane is just insane for both

to play colossus at the right lvl to beat thane even in dps u have to play at a much higher lvl

in current keys and content doesnt really matter

nothing really hurts so play your favoruite

if you are gunna push probably start learning thane a little

cause youll wantit for higher keys

[untold blaze]

i havent tried thane yet i did it on m0 first weeks

but demolish is superPowered

[narrow hull]

Thane is such a good time.

[untold blaze]

and it give slight def

[strong forum]

Demolish is slightly more dmg but squishier

Thunderblast is faster, slightly less dmg but a lot tankier

[untold blaze]

just to make it clear for me alot tank is by spamming clap and infinite rage for ip

ye?

[strong forum]

Essentially yes

The explanation on wowhead is really apt between the differences for thane and colossus

[untold blaze]

and do i have to change my stats or its for both spec hase.crit?

[strong forum]

Do not have to change stats

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/hero-talents

[untold blaze]

thx alot boys @strong forum @narrow hull @polar raven

and @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

np

[cerulean tusk]

Nome saying mast/Vers is best col demo value build

[clever lark]

Am I just taking the circle of bone for ilvl if I have 4 set on hero track already?

[strong forum]

Yeah

That ancient dredgers is also hot but it's not myth track

[swift kindle]

Can anyone help me with vault pick ? I'm kinda lost

vault and my noob gear

[frozen aurora]

hello guys

i have this

[jagged pier]

gloves probably

[swift kindle]

thanks !

[frozen aurora]

shall i replace with this ?

[jagged pier]

yes

if wont cost crests to upgrade it

and be cheap

and its far better than the TW one

[strong forum]

Hmm

That depends how often the rage proc is

[soft aspen]

the higher keys you go the weakness prot seems to have become more apparent

[jagged pier]

its not often

[hollow sphinx]

We should upgrade hero gear with runed harbringer crests, right? Not champion gear, or doesn’t it matter ? Cause hero 4=champion 8

[strong forum]

F

[jagged pier]

someone tested it the otherday

cant remeber now

but it was very low

[strong forum]

If you can easily farm 7-10s, then yeah don't upgrade champion gear

Cuz you skip several steps by just obtaining 610/613s

[hollow sphinx]

Thanks !

[strong forum]

Turns out if you increase the intensity of punishments they are more apparent

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-shock-shocked-otter-utterly-shocking-huh-gif-26697050

[pallid quiver]

The cycle of new xpacs continue

[jagged pier]

[hexed pumice]

can i put the darkmoon ascension embellishment on a shield?

[strong forum]

Just for context, what kind of weakness and keylevel are you talking about

No

Only weapon

[hexed pumice]

rip, ok ty

[pallid quiver]

I'd like to say Warriors have a weakness to Evokers flapping a trash pack behind them

that and the bleeds at the start of boralus make me uncomfortable since they inflict actual damage instead of piddle scratches

[waxen frigate]

Literally lmao

[soft aspen]

unable to sustain in +10’s, and yes i check my ip uptime is over 95% , 99% with shield block https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1121551475554926714/1288388500856508437/image.png?ex=66f500cb&is=66f3af4b&hm=7681bbdfd4a19b622a73395be93ad748be7dbd4ea7b1b37ffb28c668b1532000&

[unkempt hazel]

next thing u gon tell me that higher m+ enemies do more dmg

🤨

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[waxen frigate]

Jakey link io noob

[jagged pier]

that tells us nothing

we need logs

[strong forum]

Idk I feel immortal in 10s

[jagged pier]

go find it noob

[waxen frigate]

No

[unkempt hazel]

I looked at top 1 and its not urs

gg

noob

[jagged pier]

[waxen frigate]

Noob

(Remember when I got banned from HoW for this exact same trolling)

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-cat-pat-pat-gif-25250101

[strong forum]

What are you struggling with or is causing you issues maybe we can help

[trim condor]

Hm, i joined 5x +9 for crests and its big struggle, people failing bosses, when tyra is not under +10. All untimed by large Gap. Its unlucky or people from lower keys are getting in higher now

[unkempt hazel]

no clue bro I havent done higher than +2

[soft aspen]

Mainly in which defenses to pop as you go in I guess

[unkempt hazel]

[strong forum]

Charge + avatar >SB + sw

That opener should next you stability as you engage

[soft aspen]

SB is too long of a cooldown.

[strong forum]

To recover from being chunked immediately pop last stand

Huuuh

[jagged pier]

[unkempt hazel]

are u thinking sw

[pallid quiver]

It's also likely a smart idea to be in defensive stance as you go in, and shield wall should generally be up every pack with proper play

[jagged pier]

thats still less than a min lali

[strong forum]

Shield block is like 11sec cooldown

[soft aspen]

Sw

[unkempt hazel]

yeah but still

[soft aspen]

Mb

[strong forum]

Shield wall is 40sec cooldown

How is that too long

[unkempt hazel]

its not 5 second

therefore too long

[strong forum]

"better sit on the defensive cd for when I need it"

[unkempt hazel]

TRUEE

[strong forum]

Well, you need it on pull

"nah its too long of a CD to use it early"

Find the problem

[pallid quiver]

On pull is the single highest damage output on you in almost all cases

[unkempt hazel]

keeping defs for when ur 10% is kind of a waste

[soft aspen]

wont have it up for next pull

[graceful kite]

same mindset bad dps players have

or healers...

[karmic plinth]

sooner u use it sooner u get it back

[pallid quiver]

Play better; it's up pretty much every pull, since it's like a 40-1 min CD

[strong forum]

You will most likely, and at that point you have pre-existing rage so you don't need sw to stabilise

[pallid quiver]

It's rough to hear, but you're just not generating or spending enough rage if it's not up every pull

[unkempt hazel]

so me

shittiest tank in the west baby

[pallid quiver]

Trash packs are gonna live for a non-zero amount of time in a +10, so you have time to cycle the functions of the spec

[honest hare]

i got Sureki Zealot's Insignia (613 6/8 Champion / nhc) but i have allready a 610 neck (1/6 Hero), is it worth swaping for Sureki? it would be the only thing i could take from vault as an "upgrade"😅

[pallid quiver]

If you want more tailored advice as to how to smooth out your experience, a log of what's going on would likely be beneficial

[quaint sinew]

this may be a dumb question but im still new to prot kinda, when do you guys tank in battle stance vs defensive stance, i know the easy answer is "when you take alotta damage" but is there any specific affix/circumstance where you guys choose one or anything like that?

[inland raft]

I exclusively time my shield wall for the global i die obviously is there any other way?

[waxen frigate]

Chad

[hollow sphinx]

I sometimes have the problem not to have enuf rage when I’m charging, what am I doing wrong?
I use my demoralising shout and thunderclap, but it’s not enuf for shieldblock and IP

[lusty grotto]

avatar

IP doesnt matter

SB does

[crystal mango]

What is current lvl 80 tank hp?

[quaint sinew]

im at 8.8m but im 611

[unkempt hazel]

im at 6 mil but im not prot

[crystal mango]

Damn

Im newbie rhat just started playing wow during dragonflight 3rd season… but shortly after stopped

Played vdh and fury…

And my tank had 1.2m +-

Now returned and it grew so much

Damn

[unkempt hazel]

it went up quite a bit in s4 alone

and now we're in next exp

[crystal mango]

Maybe it’s the think that vengeance itself was about evasion damage too?

So it had still less health itself

[lusty grotto]

huh

[tropic linden]

Ppl here gonna hate, but always be in defensive stance. The DPS loss is minimal, less then 2% for 16% DR. Learn the class b4 u put 1 more button to press

[unkempt hazel]

vengeance is one of the top hp pool tanks

[crystal mango]

How much it was there?

[crystal mango]

Oh I see

Maybe it’s time to go back tanking

[unkempt hazel]

I aint remember sry

[lusty grotto]

just go to raider io and look at any tank in past seasons

[crystal mango]

Idk I like the fun of spinning and razzle dazzle of fury but tanking always was a thing for me…

[lusty grotto]

why is this important?

[crystal mango]

Giving some kind of importance and deciding the pace which we take

[unkempt hazel]

go pwarr

[kindred crypt]

whats a cool synergie healer for prot warr?

[unkempt hazel]

the one that heals

[lusty grotto]

past tank hp pools give some kind of importance ?

im so confused

[crystal mango]

Was just a casual question tbh

[kindred crypt]

lovely, means I am out now xd

[crystal mango]

Im newbie and interesting questions like that just pop up randomly

[lusty grotto]

its not interesting

[unkempt hazel]

think I was at 2mill or so

[crystal mango]

Should have said for me I guess

[unkempt hazel]

but on brew

so warrior was bit higher

[stone meadow]

how good is this effect actually, its an option in my vault

[lusty grotto]

not good

farm a better shield from 7s if you can

if you cant then pick it

[stone meadow]

i can run some this week, guess i take a chest piece instead

thanks

[crystal mango]

Was this tank fun and all?

[unkempt hazel]

a bit subjective

[crystal mango]

Heard it’s hard but pretty fun

[unkempt hazel]

I like it

[crystal mango]

Sorry, sorry

[unkempt hazel]

u dont have to delete it lmao I just didnt quite understand the question

[autumn pawn]

Any1 know what the uptime in a m+ enviroment is on Sureki Zealot's Insignia trinket?

[unkempt hazel]

[crystal mango]

Question was does it has a lot of buttons to press

[lusty grotto]

does it matter?

[unkempt hazel]

I mean it has plenty

[lusty grotto]

its a neck with a cantrip that doesnt sacrifice stats

so youre gonna use it regardless

[unkempt hazel]

similar to pwarr currently I think

[autumn pawn]

It matters when it is in my vault and i would like to know so i can decide on this or another item that is cool

[lusty grotto]

you pick it

cause its rare

[crystal mango]

No-no… for playing fury for example there are 4 main buttons and others are fillers… vdh has 3 buttons and others are fillers

[lusty grotto]

and everyone wants it

including us

unless you think youll be able to get it by guild runs soon, or you think if youll be blessed by rng rolls and rng drops

[crystal mango]

Heard about monk, don’t remember a spec that had like 12 buttons rotation or something

[autumn pawn]

yea okay, i just seen it drop 2 out of 2 times in raid and now in my vault so does not feel rare :D. But i think i'll take your word and grab it, thanks.

[crystal mango]

That’s why I was asking

[trim condor]

I mean you can ask what you want. Nim is bitter everyday about something

[unkempt hazel]

its pretty much also 4-5 buttons

[crystal mango]

😊

[mellow quartz]

Gotta love when you do a +12 Mist and on the first boss everyone holds everything waiting for the burn phase. Wipe before even getting there due to no dps…

[strong forum]

the classic

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

jsut fullsend CDs

youll get em back in time

[unkempt hazel]

u guys use cds?

im waiting for the right moment frfr

[inland raft]

Only class i could think to hold would be udk army everything else should be up ya

[lusty grotto]

just hold cds for next dungeon

😎

[unkempt hazel]

yup

ynever know

[inland raft]

I hold them for next saga

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/vkYmqkL.png

okay fuck

turbo bis ring, leech shoulders or socket helmet

[lusty grotto]

you didnt get neck or cloak

so your uuid blessing ran out

[half lichen]

Do you craft double Woven Duskthread for M+?

[karmic plinth]

do we still get sockets from the pity vendor

[lusty grotto]

perfect Lali

[pallid quiver]

well you can't transmog a ring, and you can get a socket later from vault, sooooooooo

[lusty grotto]

yes illy

[karmic plinth]

mashallah

[unkempt hazel]

prolly gon go for sockets fr

champ set pieces seems like utter waste

[ornate thicket]

Shoulders imo nome

[strong forum]

im dps main for raid

so leech is lamo

[ornate thicket]

Oic

[unkempt hazel]

wdym lamo

[strong forum]

both my rings are still 606

[unkempt hazel]

that prog survivability

[lusty grotto]

lol

[unkempt hazel]

next time u get overkilled by 0.5% remember those shoulders /s

[lusty grotto]

yes but

wheres the avoidance

[unkempt hazel]

just avoid

[pallid quiver]

meanwhile, i'm over here sad at the fact that i just remembered i have to do pvp if i really want to get one of the weapon appearances i want this season

[lusty grotto]

leech only good on broodtwister

as dps

[waxen frigate]

SPEED IS LIFE

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt hazel]

REAL

[pallid quiver]

Can't get one shot if you just zoom out and reset the boss

[unkempt hazel]

massive brain

stack speed bois

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-run-away-joseph-joestar-jojos-bizarre-adventures-gif-15566885

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

GAS GAS GAS

im gunna step on the gas

[earnest nymph]

how is the crit --> parry conversion calculated?

does it have DR?

[lusty grotto]

all ratings have DR

[earnest nymph]

okay

[pallid quiver]

It turns your crit rating into parry rating

And then the parry rating formula kicks in on that rating

[earnest nymph]

I understand that lol

but it's not a 1:1

so was just wondering what the calculation is

[pallid quiver]

it's at least currently the same for my char

[earnest nymph]

oh weird, I probably just misread my tooltip then

my b

[lusty grotto]

its hard to determine the actual formula since Strength also gives parry

but maybe Fel Hammer has it

[pallid quiver]

Strength doesn't give parry rating directly iirc

It increases it separately

[strong forum]

it does grant parry

[pallid quiver]

Does it give parry rating, though

[strong forum]

but yeah not parry rating

ye

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, since riposte gives you rating, iirc, hence my stats above

[lusty grotto]

right he didnt ask about parry rating specifically

[pallid quiver]

He was asking about how the crit to parry works, and it turns your crit rating into parry rating

[lusty grotto]

so just adding to the conversation

[pallid quiver]

then everything works in the mystical world of how parry is calculated

that i completely don't know anymore

[earnest nymph]

yep I 100% just misread, I conflated the parry % that the crit tooltip said it was adding vs the actual parry rating, which equals my crit rating also

[pallid quiver]

Last I remotely would've known was back, uh... 11 years ago, Pandaland time frame

[earnest nymph]

ty all for the info!

[tribal wharf]

speaking of speed

hell, i should have kept that, that is a ton of speed

probably good for running raids

[mellow quartz]

250 speed is like 1% movement speed

[stark jewel]

yo guys, havent looked at prot at all so far in tww cause ive been palying fury, can someone explain to me why spear is better in keys than roar with thane?

[mellow quartz]

It sims better

[trim condor]

and I think you will armor to str talent if you want full bleed talents

[pallid quiver]

Basically, it emphasizes Thane's damage profile better and gives extra rage to cycle. Roar's not as good with the capstones making it not always increase your bleed damage, also

[mellow quartz]

Spear also gives you more ‘free’ talent points

[stark jewel]

oooh right cause of twords nerf

ty for the answers guys

[earnest nymph]

one more potentially dumb question about parry -- do we have some base parry% or am I missing something? I see 6.89% coming from my str and an additional 10.97% from parry rating and I'm at 20.62% parry somehow

I didn't see any talents mentioning parry so wasn't sure

[lusty grotto]

thane is bursty so 25% more crit damage benefits it more

[pallid quiver]

I believe you have like a base 3% chance or something, i dunno

[earnest nymph]

ah okay cool

[lusty grotto]

base is 3%, racials

[earnest nymph]

nice, ty

[pallid quiver]

i'm a fucking genius

[lusty grotto]

im not in game but

dodge base is 3% so parry should be the same

just check racials

NE has dodge racials, idk who has parry racial, if any