When you're at 0% haste, your action speed is 100%
#protection
strong forum
Aka normal speed
Any % haste gains are multipliers
So it's for example when you have 30% haste on character sheet
130% x 1.08 = 140.4
The more Haste you have, the stronger ITF becomes
green bronze
ah, so my own haste is a multiplier by itself as well
strong forum
Well it's 100% action speed by itself
green bronze
so we don't take ITF because its not enough DPS gain or because of SB uptime?
strong forum
Since you can have negative haste
strong forum
so we don't take ITF because its not enough DPS gain or because of SB uptime?
Well first and foremost you're a tank
balmy remnant
Need shield block to live
vivid orchid
if you die, youve failed
balmy remnant
That’s why you don’t take it
vivid orchid
thats prio 1
strong forum
And in high keys you really don't wanna run into situation where you die due to lack of block uptime
Wrong channel
balmy remnant
I mean if you drop block for 1 second you’re at risk of dying p much
strong forum
Not in weekly keys, but in push keys above 12, absolutely
tribal wharf
another thing
to reliably block spells
you need spell block and shield block active
from what i underrstand
strong forum
Correct
balmy remnant
Well it uses your block % so yes
wicked pollen
is it ever wrong to not shield block when the boss isnt meleeing to spam execute
strong forum
That's not wrong no
wicked pollen
or how wrong is a better quetion
balmy remnant
I mean it depends if you’re main tanking how much hp the boss has etc
wicked pollen
i feel i can also get away with it in m+
balmy remnant
Wouldn’t do that
wicked pollen
mainly on bosses though
balmy remnant
Xd
wicked pollen
i am playing a turbo psycho
balmy remnant
On +3s or some shit maybe 
green bronze
i been doing 10s with ITF, i have dropped sb for a second or two occasionaly, im pretty sure it can be fully negated if you can wait a few secs between pulls
wicked pollen
🙂
strong forum
"playing turbo psycho"
green bronze
not sure about 11 or above, those are different beasts)
strong forum
strong forum
i been doing 10s with ITF, i have dropped sb for a second or two occasionaly, im...
Like I said, for weekly keys entirely fine
10s do fuckall tank dmg to pwar
I'm starting to run colossus now in keys for fun
Cuz it's also just more dmg
And dmg is fun
wicked pollen
ive been playing this in some keys and just being super terrorist
strong forum
Did a mists 10 earlier with it, wish I had a 626 weapon and I'd easily do more than 1.2mil dps
green bronze
ive been playing this in some keys and just being super terrorist
sudden death is trolling bro
wicked pollen
oh yeah
green bronze
you gonna waste most sudden death procs
and bloodsurge gives big amount of rage, not worth removing it for sudden death
balmy remnant
ive been playing this in some keys and just being super terrorist
This dude is baiting
There is just no shot
You are real
green bronze
but i was thinking about something similar, dropping enduring defense for massacre and get juggernaut, but bosses don't live long enough in m+ for it to work
maybe can have 100% uptime with just heavy repercussions, without +2 secs to SB
strong forum
Did you solo the key or what
round pendant
Did you solo the key or what
pretty much
The dps died multiple times on every pack, were all dead on all but the 2nd oss
balmy remnant
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bwqVD4QvrAmBj6yR#fight=11&type=summary&sour...
I mean that’s a lot of executes but ultimately that’s still less dps than you’d get with a more normal looking build
But power to you man play what’s fun
strong forum
Man's just having fun
cerulean tusk
green bronze
he did pretty good on ST, at least
balmy remnant
Legit thought he was baiting tho ngl
old flame
Stupid question are we now playing the magic damage talent on the prot side of the tree?
And dropping the revenge talent for it?
shrewd ore
ya
balmy remnant
If you’re thane ye if you’re colossus I think it’s a dungeon specific thing
green bronze
Stupid question are we now playing the magic damage talent on the prot side of t...
its not bad, maybe worth in dungeons with a lot of magic damage
shrewd ore
pretty much everyone uses it, the revenge talent is like 0.2% dps
old flame
Okay 👍
balmy remnant
10% of a revenge isn’t much it’s true
shrewd ore
I'll update my build, for raid too?
depends on the fight I'd guess, but as thane in a mythic fight i would yea
strong forum
I'm playing the magic dr talent as thane cuz no point to buff revenge
shrewd ore
if u and ur off tank are taunting correctly then no need for any defensives on hc or lower pretty much
strong forum
Since you're sitting in d-stance alot more now compared to DF
old flame
That definitely makes sense
balmy remnant
I mean in m+ is there ever any time you aren’t in def stance?
I feel like there’s no point
balmy remnant
tribal wharf
im caveman with stances
strong forum
Prot is too boring not to dance
Atleast in my case
It's one of the few skill expressions left
balmy remnant
Well I haven’t played prot in multiple expansions so I’ve been finding tanking interactive and fun so far 
strong forum
It's gotten better this xpac
Cuz I can switch hero talents
To get a diff playstyle and enjoy a bit of colossus degeneracy
And just go ape shit
And I'm not sick of the keys yet
inland raft
I pretty much b stance dump cds and go back to dstance and b stance bosses except hard hitting busters
long yarrow
hey guys
tribal wharf
pug destroyer dungeons
long yarrow
any recomendation for craft?
strong forum
Uploaded a siege 10 today on YouTube just to put something on there
Was pretty chill
tribal wharf
bracken bolt intensifies
strong forum
any recomendation for craft?
Shield + wrists with embellishment, and a weapon
strong forum
bracken bolt intensifies
There's like 3 bracken bolt casters in the whole dungeon
inland raft
I shouod last longer before burnout since im back in college as an old man, i e only ran a couple of the dungeons once or twice still
normal kelp
do we ever take into the fray over heavy repercussions?
strong forum
For weekly keys, yes
tribal wharf
bracken bolts hurt lmao
strong forum
In push keys, this season not no
strong forum
bracken bolts hurt lmao
Reflect, spellblock, shield wall, kick
And they suddenly don't hurt
tribal wharf
im a bit worried of the trample now that its fort
normal kelp
i heard you want 15k haste then you run into the fray, is it true?
inland raft
Its fort and tyr every week
strong forum
That's just what my haste is at
Not a rule of thumb
In weekly keys you can run ITF just fine
As long as you don't have atrocious haste
inland raft
Hides in 14% haste
strong forum
Which shouldn't be possible cuz I never had less than 11k haste
Cuz I don't equip bad rings or neck
wicked pollen
I mean that’s a lot of executes but ultimately that’s still less dps than you’d ...
100% but im bored of tanking
only worth doing on keys where bosses legit dont do anything
ara grim batol is easier after practicing it but rest idk
normal kelp
so for higher keys you want HR?
strong forum
Current season, yes, cuz otherwise you will run into block downtime
And that shit can go south real quick
And by higher key I mean like 12+
Or unless you want to just be turbo safe with block
You just play HR
The difference is "just" 6% aoe dps
tribal wharf
for machinists its just as simple as hard stop dps until even right
thats what i died to on mythic
well, team wiped, and then i kill boss
tribal wharf
okay and theres simply no other way, cuz that mechanic will be unforgiving?
doesnt seem to have much of delay to wipe
lusty grotto
its not tyrannical so it might be healable (sub 10)
but, no reason why it should happen
lusty grotto
not for a long time no
fluid shard
I think i want to try colossus in raid tonight
strong forum
Have fun!
lusty grotto
but sub 10 you can just heal a few ticks, given that the remaining boss is almost dead
its a lot of ifs
lol
vivid orchid
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tired lion
hey guys is this good?
vivid orchid
yes
lusty grotto
sure
wicked pollen
why not show the rest of the vault
vivid orchid
honestly wont proc often on a prot
tired lion
because its not my vault i just wanted to bully my guildie
lusty grotto
no reason to show it
tired lion
boy was about to take a myth track main hand wep
vivid orchid
..are they prot?
cold pilot
Can someone explain expected value and best for me, cause I'm not sure I fully grasp
lusty grotto
he wanted to ask about that particular item
tired lion
..are they prot?
yes
strong forum
Can someone explain expected value and best for me, cause I'm not sure I fully g...
Ignore the expected value
cold pilot
So it's saying if I get all of those items, it would be a 5k dps upgrade?
strong forum
Nah, it's saying that the trinket is 5k upgrade
fluid shard
Would you recommend punish or execute colossus build if we’re just reclearing Heroic?
cold pilot
Oh nice okay. thanks. I feel like I can sac the 5k dps for the trinkets I have
oh wow you're a wizard
strong forum
bleak breach
Would you recommend punish or execute colossus build if we’re just reclearing He...
Punish, execute for Rashanaan
strong forum
I would personally fullsend execute on most bosses cuz heroic is easy now
But if you're not a mythic guild, then maybe punish for most
fluid shard
Nah we’re not mythic
trim condor
oof, fun detected
fluid shard
Thanks i’ll try that!
bleak breach
Maybe you should if you already cleared heroic lol
strong forum
That never went on tank
vivid orchid
^
bleak breach
It’s a fair effort week 2
vivid orchid
the other one tho, thats still there
strong forum
Ye just give it a whirl
fluid shard
The locked 20 mythic raid is a big blocker
gritty eagle
hmm, i guess arms loot spec is the go to because of the lack of good tank trinkets.. i havent started farming gilded crests yet but i just started doing 8s so i guess ill farm a bit more until i can do 9s and craft shield/one-hander and search for trinkets in vault
?
bleak breach
The locked 20 mythic raid is a big blocker
Yeah, that’s fair.
strong forum
Sounds like a plan
gritty eagle
i didnt, only 8s this far
lusty grotto
if no 10s, no myth kills, full send arms
gritty eagle
fair enough, thanks
trim condor
That never went on tank
its not that tank buster that is trucking in grim batol?
vivid orchid
it is not
strong forum
No it's the flame debuff from dragon
bleak breach
Tank buster will be meh without tyrannical anyway
strong forum
That leaves poop
bleak breach
That’s what made grim batol super hard last week
trim condor
Tank buster will be meh without tyrannical anyway
I mean trash one
strong forum
Idk I've had a super easy time in grim batol
trim condor
cast is like 2 sec and you can reflect dmg and dot
bleak breach
Yes, well that generally helps
The average group has had a really rough time in there
trim condor
grim batol is fine, but if you cant reflect this dot, its kinda ticking on +10
lusty grotto
GT is indeed pretty chill
vivid orchid
I've not really had any difficulties in there
strong forum
That dot doesn't go on tanks
vivid orchid
i can see why people would
strong forum
tribal wharf
i prefer forza to gran turismo
trim condor
That dot doesn't go on tanks
I am talking about dot that goes on tank on trash, casting one that cant be interupted with kick
strong forum
Reflect it
bleak breach
i prefer forza to gran turismo
trim condor
Reflect it
you cant reflect every cast
strong forum
you cant reflect every cast
Kill it before 2nd cast or just pop SW
pallid quiver
you cant reflect every cast
Have you tried storm bolting the other, or shockwaving a bit before the cast to get them to both cast at the same time?
strong forum
pallid quiver
since i assume your issue is when there's two of them
If they're living long enough for a second cast, holy beebus your DPS are worse than the ones I've found
lusty grotto
what the fuck are we even talking about
pallid quiver
The sword mobs in GB that put a dot on you
With Shadowflame Slash? I think is the spell
trim condor
Yeah, itss both of them. Dont know wwhat dpsers you have in group, but every key I did, they cast them even with cc
tribal wharf
i dont really want to run grim batol that much but its so old its new again to me at this point
pallid quiver
The flamerenders in GB, yeah
tribal wharf
last time i went i stood in the tornadoes
3rd boss
couldnt seem to get out of them easy, got slowed by something
tribal wharf
i got SV now
trim condor
I had bad time on last boss collecting adds, but last group in +10 did amazing job taking them to melee, it wass easy mode
pallid quiver
last time i went i stood in the tornadoes
Take him to one corner of the arena, then after the frontal, move him to another corner, and cycle through all 4 corners
trim condor
synced is best for reflect
yeah, can you do that with shockwave?
pallid quiver
The tornadoes disappear by the time you get back to your original corner
mellow quartz
yeah, can you do that with shockwave?
they have the 'never sync' mechanic
lusty grotto
well then youre fucked
fickle roost
Hey, I am new to the discord but I just got this as an option in my vault and was wondering if anyone could tell me if it's decent or not?
peak yoke
no stam
trim condor
they have the 'never sync' mechanic
ah thats pitty, reflected amount is very busted
peak yoke
yeah it is cool af effect
waxen frigate
Hey, I am new to the discord but I just got this as an option in my vault and wa...
all that matters for shield is block rating
i don't think it's a particularly good shield though, from what I've heard
since you do lose out on all secondaries
lusty grotto
its not
vivid orchid
literally anything else is better
static pumice
i think ive read discussions here regarding ITF & haste for shield block, can someone explain whats the correlation ?
lusty grotto
just use it if its better than what you have track-wise
lusty grotto
i think ive read discussions here regarding ITF & haste for shield block, can so...
shield block is a hastened CD
affected by haste
static pumice
shield block is a hastened CD
the buff duration ?
vivid orchid
the cooldown
static pumice
i see
because on the tooltip it still says 12sec
ill try go combat
hol up
is this 12sec after being reduced
vivid orchid
yes
static pumice
aaaaah
vivid orchid
change your haste values to see it update in real time
lusty grotto
you want 40% to SWAP to ITF
otherwise you run HR
you cant get 40% this season
so you run HR, in keys
in raid you full send ITF cause youre not actively tanking all the time
lusty grotto
you cant
vivid orchid
you literally cant
static pumice
oh
static pumice
you cant get 40% this season
i misread
lusty grotto
static pumice
i thought it was can
yeye
yeah i was like how the fuck
my gears were mostly haste
lusty grotto
run heavy repercussions in keys
static pumice
and only sitting at 34
lusty grotto
and itf in raid
strong forum
According to Sims you can get to 93% block uptime
So with 16k haste on gear
You can get by for a long time
lusty grotto
nome remember these guys are very inexperienced
static pumice
yeah im a warlock main
strong forum
Sims assume that you have full stacks of ITF all the time
lusty grotto
so i dont suggest he do that
static pumice
According to Sims you can get to 93% block uptime
i can fill in the gap with shield charge though no ?
strong forum
No
static pumice
or is it with shield charge already
strong forum
Yes
static pumice
i see
merry sluice
tbf if we're just doing based on ~40% last season
wouldnt it be even harder to maintain since haste % per stack is lower now?
vivid orchid
its not lower, theres just 1 less stack
strong forum
I ain't basing anything off of last season
pallid quiver
Which you don't in a real scenario
Yeah, but enemies count 🙂
that's what people keep telling me when I say the most notable time you can't keep it up is on bosses
strong forum
That would be incredibly stupid
lusty grotto
i think cherry is thinking of the ITF nerf
lusty grotto
but sims should account for that anyway
lusty grotto
yeah
pallid quiver
Because random feelycrafter #5 definitely knows more than you for sure?
lusty grotto
still good to ask to make sure 
random ret from my bnet lists asks me to tank a mists
lead warlock starts off by complaining about my non-existing enchants on the gear I JUST GOT
this is gonna be good
strong forum
Tbf
strong forum
Unenchanted gear does send me red flags
lusty grotto
guy is literally spamming pings everywhere
strong forum
Or lack of sockets on jewellery
pallid quiver
there's a mark of khardos in my vault, but it's less of a dps increase than a neck i can get
feels bad
lusty grotto
yeah but i just logged on nome
strong forum
Log off better prepared 
lusty grotto
i logged on, looked at vault, was running a sim, guy asks me to join, i say yes
strong forum
Never stop never stopping
lusty grotto
anyway this guy wont shut up, or stop pinging like i dont know what the fuck im doing, i tell him hes insuferable, he stops doing everything, we time key, i leave
ret paladin asks me to tank key again
/afk
bleak breach
So we still get fort and tyrannical this week?
lusty grotto
on 10s? always
vivid orchid
same every week forever
lusty grotto
on 9s and below = fort
cinder bridge
hi, trying to decide between prot warr and bear, how does prot war feel in tww so far?
azure vault
As tanks do u guys know why second boss in bora just randomly turns ?
pallid quiver
imagine if they rotated it so you had double fort some weeks, or double tyr
10/10
azure vault
During her frontal is it just a bug atm ?
pallid quiver
hi, trying to decide between prot warr and bear, how does prot war feel in tww s...
Have you had experience with Prot War in DF? It's effectively the same if so
cinder bridge
Have you had experience with Prot War in DF? It's effectively the same if so
I have not
pallid quiver
If you haven't, it's a tank that has mitigation when used properly that makes your HP bar barely shrug at all, but you have to slam buttons fairly fast
It's one of the fastest specs in the game atm
pallid quiver
Intervene's got some funny uses in M+, and you've got a decent stun suite for dealing with casts, as well
If you're not pushing super high keys, it's best to pick whatever you'll have fun with, since all the tanks are strong enough overall
cinder bridge
maybe weird question, but are prot warrs... good right now?
pallid quiver
Even Pala, who's seen as literally dead in the water, and public perception is that they can't even tank heroics, can do even +10s fine
pallid quiver
maybe weird question, but are prot warrs... good right now?
They're loosely being considered for meta at the moment, though kneejerk it sounds like Bear's going to win that fight? I don't keep up with meta set ups, personally, and as I mentioned, all tanks are definitely viable atm
cinder bridge
so pick whatever I have the most fun with?
pallid quiver
There's no tank that's stand-out mega better than the others like in other seasons
Yep
cinder bridge
yeah VDH was ridiculous last seasons
bleak breach
refer to this if you have affix questions
Thanks, so essentially keys are nearly the same every week now.
cinder bridge
There's no tank that's stand-out mega better than the others like in other seaso...
thanks a lot 🙂
lusty grotto
Thanks, so essentially keys are nearly the same every week now.
bargain changes
week by week
until 12, where bargain is removed
after 12, every week is the same
trim condor
anyone already in key, how much mastery and leech gives orb from affix?
lusty grotto
instead of asking someone in key, who might not even be looking at discord
you could check in logs, in theory
pallid quiver
what the heck is the name of the socket item in this xpac again
lusty grotto
magnificent jeweler's setting
trim condor
instead of asking someone in key, who might not even be looking at discord
there could be people that finished key and waiting between next here on discord
pallid quiver
ouchies, expensive as fuck
lusty grotto
pretty much
sick sentinel
is it even worth opening vault as tank lootspec right now?
lusty grotto
only if you have myth slots
sick sentinel
myth in m+ not raid
lusty grotto
right
bleak breach
Shield exists
lusty grotto
myth shield
sick sentinel
crafted shield
static pumice
if i have myth weap&shield i should just go arms lootspec from now on yeah?
bleak breach
Have you got a myth crafted shield?
lusty grotto
myth shield is better than crafted
sick sentinel
yes 636 shield
well yeah but thats if u get it in vault
lusty grotto
well youre not gonna if you open as arms/fury
sick sentinel
yeah but 3 ilvls vs all the tank trinkets in vault available
lusty grotto
3 ilvl is pretty massive
in terms of block
its up to you
your sub
but thats the only reason to open as prot
as per your original question
sick sentinel
alrighty, and there's nothing other than shield right? trinkets are shit
harsh trellis
So looking over logs, should we be swapping over to colossus for raids?
lusty grotto
like nome said
if youre on a myth guild and have the gear
you can swap to colossus for reclears
if youre not
you can try it, but there's a chance you will struggle or make it harder for your group
youre looking at logs, so you will find parse fiends
the context is important
harsh trellis
Thats what im lookin over
lusty grotto
colossus is the parse hero tree
thats why they are
but again
read above
absolutely not recommended for prog
onyx moon
Are we taking fight through the flames for m+?
lusty grotto
no
lusty grotto
no
onyx moon
reason i ask is because wowhead guide was updated and is taking the talent for m+ so i figured id ask
lusty grotto
its a shit talent
lusty grotto
@strong forum you awake?
harsh trellis
I think the fight through the flames thing is for peeps running higher keys with really awesome gear.
shrewd ore
the revenge talent is 0.2% dps
its useless on mountain, ofc u take the other one in any real key
shrewd ore
no I'm not
lusty grotto
do you think everyone that comes here is pushing 12s?
shrewd ore
ur suggesting s1 that's asking about talents to take a 0.2% dps increase
over survivability
i think ur missing the context
lusty grotto
then youre good without, until you feel you need it
lusty grotto
dont listen to this guy
shrewd ore
top 50 warriors
onyx moon
the guide also saying to drop Intimidating shout
harsh trellis
top 50 warriors
is that on raider io?
lusty grotto
why are you in disc Nerotox
shrewd ore
data from raider io ye
lusty grotto
with a whole 270 messages
lusty grotto
is yours?
shrewd ore
I'm basing my opinion on data & my gameplay
lusty grotto
ok well i look forward to your opinion on Nerotox discord
shrewd ore
good that this server isnt called "nimchip copies wowhead advice"
lusty grotto
rent free, what can i say
shrewd ore
apparently I am since ur stalking my profile
shrewd ore
He asked for it and i linked it 🙂
onyx moon
dont know why this is an argument just looking for opinions guys lol
tribal wharf
given that nome writes our sim
lusty grotto
ok then im asking for the rest of your aggregate garbage
tribal wharf
andd nome wrote that guide
and he chats in here with us frequently
i will trust nome
and thus nim
south zealot
revenge is beans
shrewd ore
so ???
tribal wharf
thats all there is to it for me
lusty grotto
question mark question mark question mark
next pasture
hero tier helmet, or normal queen ansurek trinket from the vault? is the trinket difficult to get?
onyx moon
is revenge beans because we are not hitting revenge as much due to our strategist procs?
balmy remnant
what the fuck is going on in here
shrewd ore
mountain thane just doesn't have many open globals
tribal wharf
what the fuck is going on in here
nero is mad ish about some talent that nome takes but nim says is garbage or somethin
onyx moon
hero tier helmet, or normal queen ansurek trinket from the vault? is the trinket...
to my understanding our tier gear isnt great but ilvl upgrades are what you are gonna want to prio
tribal wharf
im not entirely?
tribal wharf
also, pressing my name reveals i am deathray444 (supposed to be 44)
onyx moon
nero is mad ish about some talent that nome takes but nim says is garbage or som...
it was nim who was challenging the talent and Nero was defending the talent choice
shrewd ore
I'm not mad lmao, I just don't like this guys attitude lmao
tribal wharf
so im not changing name again , and if i am bothered to it will be doom shit
balmy remnant
i will no longer make any decision without this random dudes seal of approval
lusty grotto
if you need to check top 50 io for that decision, thats on you
balmy remnant
so did someone break up w u today or what
lusty grotto
your decision
balmy remnant
why you so angy
tribal wharf
why wouldnt i want 22% passive dr, especially for dots or boss puts tons of shit on the ground
south zealot
top 50 io (especially this early in the season but also throughout the patch) is never a good indicator of how to play and what trinkets/talent sot use
using defensive stance as a defensive makes you a better player
sitting dstance isnt significant at all
trim condor
Isnt defensive stance no brainer after removing dmg penalty?
main vault
you still do less dmg
south zealot
less crit
tribal wharf
ya well, once the scary spell goes off or phase ends, back to bstance
no big drama about it
south zealot
its not significant really but suitting bstance and using dstance as a defensive makes you better
trim condor
Yeah, really worth drop 16 dr for 3 crit in pulls.
main vault
if you dont need the DR, then its not worth
onyx moon
well it is worth it if its easier content
trim condor
I mean yeah, if you farm low content, but then you dont need stance dancing
tribal wharf
we die to magic damage that is over time and is like a poison that we can dispel (as druid monk other)
paladin
lusty grotto
easier content, or not taking any big damage
tribal wharf
so i want the edge vs that regardless
lusty grotto
is kind of the same situation, but one requires knowledge/exp of damage intake
tribal wharf
its only 6% dr vs specifically magic, but its something we cant control easily
without having reflect and wall ready
main vault
most of the time you arent going to notice 6% difference
shrewd ore
u also aren't gonna notice 10% revenge damage
tribal wharf
no, but until i get better i absolutely want to have that
trim condor
6% isnt that big tbh. But I také it for +10 just for mental peace. Some +10 on my 606 prot hurts
sick sentinel
holy hell nerotox i think you should give up trying
idk how people are defending revenge talent
shrewd ore
never, these ppl would rather die in a pull than lose 0.2% dps
tribal wharf
the 10% revenge talent is because of colossus indirectly
balmy remnant
hes talking about fight through flames
tribal wharf
yup, but, overall i feel like, thane more live more and FttF is that
sick sentinel
if this discussion is about 7s go for more revenge damage cuz why not? if this is about doing 11s just go for the magic reduction and stop thinking about it
tribal wharf
and for colossus, it is about revenge
tribal wharf
im only bringing that talent up as foot note
main vault
No. The response to “you aren’t going to notice 6%” was to bring up ravenge dmg again
balmy remnant
south zealot
if youre playing thane that talent doesnt matter who cares
lusty grotto
yeah that wasnt lost on anyone pretty much lol
south zealot
that shit doesnt matter
tribal wharf
i know i wont notice 6% magic DR, but i also know 6% dr is 6% dr
south zealot
if youre playing prot warrior you should ideally use d stance as a defensive cooldown bc it makes you a better player
and when youre pushing big keys/uncomfortable keys you can chill in dstance more
balmy remnant
if youre a human being you should drink a lot of water and piss a lot of pee
south zealot
dont sit dstnace when youre taking 0 damage
sick sentinel
stance dancing isnt rewarding enough anymore to minmax
id say u would do well without it
tribal wharf
name
lusty grotto
yeah idk if its stance dancing more like doing a fucking dance and sitting down for 5 mins until the next event happens
south zealot
its not really a haste you just hit a button for 3% damage
lusty grotto
i have no idea how blizz could delete stances though, they'd have to rearrange the tree
south zealot
and then hit a button if you want to have an extra defensive
trim condor
I thought about m+, I guess stance dance makes sense in raid when not active tank or no buster coming
lusty grotto
and then hit a button if you want to have an extra defensive
hit dn
balmy remnant
do you guys like change your clothes while driving to work too to save a few extra seconds
tribal wharf
whatever game is showing on psn now is good
lusty grotto
thanks for the asmongold updates yogi
balmy remnant
liek are yall brushing your teeth on the freeway type shit
tribal wharf
they got lots of good games showing for playstation
balmy remnant
thats the energy that stance dancing gives me rn
balmy remnant
seems extremely extra
tribal wharf
that dragon scene
is what i wanted DF to be
so much
exactly that
big ass dragons fighting
graceful kite
I just had a monkey spawn on siege 3rd boss
tribal wharf
thanks for the asmongold updates yogi
wdym asmongold updates
graceful kite
And drip bananas everywhere
tribal wharf
i am sony pony #1
playstation for life
but im not taking back what i said about the dragon part :S
rough quest
is offpiece still shoulders?
balmy remnant
its not a big deal at all
absolutely correct
graceful kite
is offpiece still shoulders?
Why would it change
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto hey bro is there an easy way to get the discs
probably dungeons right?
pallid quiver
If it's the same as the last one, fastest is probably spamming heroics
rocky crest
any pointers for tankin 3rd boss ? I seem to get clapped hard when 2 adds are up with the boss. the dungeon itself is alot easier. respecced and managed my rage sb time better
onyx moon
any pointers for tankin 3rd boss ? I seem to get clapped hard when 2 adds are up...
which dungeon
rocky crest
sry NW
wooden widget
Two adds really shouldnt be up
onyx moon
shouldn't*
wooden widget
Are you doing like 12s or higher or something?
onyx moon
one of the adds needs to die faster
rocky crest
10
onyx moon
Two adds really shouldnt be up
apologies, I corrected you when I shouldn't have
wooden widget
I edited no worries
onyx moon
the best solution is for one of the adds to be dead
wooden widget
Yeah I know that if your dps is holding all cds for stitch, it’s likely that if you don’t 1 phase or come real close to 1 phase you’re gonna have adds overlap briefly
It’s not really on you to survive two adds. If it makes you feel better, even if you could survive two adds the dps and healer will die soon and you’ll wipe anyways
onyx moon
that said most of the damage there is physical so keep SB up and if you have 2 adds still up shield wall
strong blaze
Prot or Arms loot spec for weekly vault? (Thinking maybe chance at Myth track mark of khadros)
onyx moon
prot you might get a 1h
rocky crest
It’s not really on you to survive two adds. If it makes you feel better, even if...
The thing is I've almost burned 1-2 cd's before the boss is even down. Getting the dot and healer forgetting to keep me up
but thanks for the tips. will try to inform that gameplan before we start next key
onyx moon
but thanks for the tips. will try to inform that gameplan before we start next k...
are you horde or alliance
onyx moon
so dwarf is pretty broken for handling dots
paper crystal
What trinks are BiS right now? Mandate/Sac?
onyx moon
What trinks are BiS right now? Mandate/Sac?
overall yeah
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> hey bro is there an easy way to get the discs
No clue, prob raid and dungeons and weeklies
paper crystal
For 3rd boss in NW you can save all the weapons and orbs to use for it
lusty grotto
Idk about orbs
Probably best to use them in big pulls
But yeah spears all go once boss is hooked down
Also tank aboms, while standing 90 degrees from a potential hook path
So you puddle out of the way of it, or out of the way of anyone doing hooks
Other than that, everyone has to do their part, don't move boss outside of 2nd hook path while its down
south zealot
an orb on amarth and big necropolis pulls
lusty grotto
Yeah that's where i use them
dusky canopy
Nim, 10 mists?
lusty grotto
Triple or quad on 2nd floor and orb is pretty fucking great for it, same as in SL
I can
Give me a min
toxic pewter
cloak aquired
lusty grotto
gz
latent hull
currently stuck with two tank trinkets for one slot Silken Chain Weaver and Refracting Aggression module. Just curious...is the reason why the former is considered an A and the latter a C ...the on use vs. on taunt difference?
lusty grotto
currently stuck with two tank trinkets for one slot Silken Chain Weaver and Refr...
weaver is a lot stronger due to attack speed debuff
being C does not mean its garbage
but defensively weaver is stronger all the time, while module is situationally strong
latent hull
Makes sense...thank you
sand pebble
got a pretty trash vault, is this trinket even any good (mostly solo and small group play) - looks like dog trinket tbh but im taking tokens if not
ornate thicket
Knife is pretty good
rocky crest
i know that doesnt really help and you cant help other players making play mista...
ty anyway for counseling ^^
ornate thicket
Mastery and high str all the time
mellow linden
im a prot warrior and wife is disc priest, whats the bran recommendation for delves for us to duo them?
sand pebble
dps ^^
mellow linden
porcelain and amphorus?
lusty grotto
with heals, the one where he takes damage is pretty decent
takes damage while doing more
sand pebble
im running idol+1amorphous
waxen elk
vault weapon, is this bis?
soft tusk
vault weapon, is this bis?
it's a very good weapon but we get something slightly better from 3rd boss in mythic
minor wasp
troll shield or secretly good?
soft tusk
No stamina?
tropic tangle
it's bad
tropic tangle
mean beans
minor wasp
ty lads o7
soft tusk
from taco bell
sonic drum
Guys is there a WA for thunder blast?
vale bolt
Are these armour penetration changes to the dungeon bosses a nerf to prot warrior? I'm a little confused which tank was the imbalance that they talked about in the notes
lament basin
Is Spelunker's Waning Candle decent for prot warr?
balmy canyon
Am I correct in understanding that our four piece is effectively worthless from a defensiveness perspective?
shell atlas
Does the loss of STA make this shield a trap?
tribal wharf
Is Spelunker's Waning Candle decent for prot warr?
its a stat stick for us, intervene thing
its what i prefer if i have no other trinket
white narwhal
Does the loss of STA make this shield a trap?
I’d say yes
shrewd ore
Does the loss of STA make this shield a trap?
yes
tribal wharf
spoiler i have like a bazilion
i have more trinkets than i care to talk about
lots of them bad, they getting the vendor
smoky dock
what points are flex points in mythic plus mountain thane build on prot side
zealous goblet
FUCK
ij ust got sacbrood
so now i am unsure if i give up the myth track taunt thing or swarmlord's authority hero track from raid yesterday
royal chasm
need some help with the best option here
narrow fern
ask the robot
obtuse egret
for crafts we make 2x of the versatility lining?
warm plinth
Or crit lining. Sim it
if you do keys regularly, I'd use crit regardless personally
Parry big gud
tribal wharf
is the name of the lust drums for tww listed in the guide wowhead
jagged gust
Does the loss of STA make this shield a trap?
No stam, no secondaries, random uncontrollable defensive proc, it's not just a trap, it's a goth mommy with size 12 feet able to hold a basketball with one hand
icy flax
Does the loss of STA make this shield a trap?
What the heck is that
icy flax
No stam, no secondaries, random uncontrollable defensive proc, it's not just a t...
I like feet
icy flax
so now i am unsure if i give up the myth track taunt thing or swarmlord's author...
Swarmlords the only good tank trinket
fluid shard
Sooooo i can’t remember the last time i had 2 on use trinkets. What is the general rule here? Most powerful one on pull and then sync the 2nd with an avatar?
jagged gust
general rule is to not use 2 on use trinkets
Trinket damage is modified by vers and crit, so if you have 2 on use damage effects order doesn't matter, but if one is gives stats then use it first and line it up with your CDs
sonic brook
i have two options stemming from vault (running M+ only):
1: Hero legs + H shoulders to finish 4pc, no H AK Sacbrood
2: Champ legs + C Shoulders to finish 4pc, yes H AK Sacbrood
seems 1 would be better for pushing higher keys this week than a dps-oriented trinket right?
old flame
what even is this vault.. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz
pallid quiver
is area 52 down again
it is
i was in a heroic raid that was actually working, and now i'm not
This is the third week in a row
At the same time
small comet
area 52 down
quasi pivot
Yep right at last boss of key as well RIP
Guess that's what happens when AKB keep pruning staff levels
old flame
the Sim is saying I should take the neck from my vault but i'm going to lose like 1600 haste... feels off
pallid quiver
Other stats are, in fact, good for damage
They're actually fairly close, so just having more is not surprising to be more damage
That being said, there's a mon-zero amount of necks you can get as drops
royal chasm
is it worth rushing 4 pce tier? it doesn't seem that great to me
pallid quiver
no it is not great
It is better than not having tier,
But you can comfortably sit on charges until you get myth pieces
You're not going to go from Heroic dungeons to soloing Myth raid or anything
old flame
what's the other option if I don't take the neck then? not really sure.. I can get 4pc with catalyst or take helm and be stuck with 3
royal chasm
I have a 2 pce already and that seems good enough for now
pallid quiver
what's the other option if I don't take the neck then? not really sure.. I can g...
None of those are myth track, so either grab the most immediate gain or grab something you don't want/is hard to farm
warm plinth
And if you don't wanna grab that, you can grab Luerce; he won't mind
pallid quiver
i don't even know if i want to do anything in wow today anymore
It feels like shit getting everything clapped again after the third week in a row
vague abyss
i need great vault advice:
Im thinking in getting that bis ring (Hero),
getting Tier shoulder (Hero, but already have it champion)
Tier Champion head or chest (i dont have those, but is Champion x.x)
Currently im tier 2/4
i feel like the ring is better, our set bonus is not as important right?
pallid quiver
nim bully blizzard to get me off this server
pallid quiver
I'm not paying them more to provide worse service.
lusty grotto
truee
pallid quiver
I know that's what tons of people tell me to do for things like Youtube and everything else,
white narwhal
i need great vault advice:
Im thinking in getting that bis ring (Hero),
getting...
Bis ring fs, you can always cata any other hero track into tier
pallid quiver
for some reason transfers are not in sale
They gotta get more money off all the people trying to transfer off A52 now
pallid quiver
I'm very butt mad, since I managed to get into a group that was slapping through H Raid
vague abyss
why i would move from area 52? (im there)
pallid quiver
why i would move from area 52? (im there)
The server is going down weekly
pallid quiver
Bare minimum, weekly
pallid quiver
It's had small bits of downtime on other days, as well
Illidan hasn't gone down on any other day, so I'd expect it to stay up, personally
lusty grotto
every single tuesday at 10 (or i think 11 et)
illidan gets shit on
and then a52
again
last 2 tuesdays it did
trust, my guild is illidan based
vague abyss
i was telling i had no problems, then the server just kicked me in the middle of an awakened machine x.x
lusty grotto
oof
vague abyss
20 years old game and still the game just loves to DC you because reasons
graceful sundial
hello...returning to the game and a bit overwhelmed with information... quick question how good is Refracting Aggression Module?
still trying to decide which item to pick
vague abyss
f*** got dc'd again, in wave 12
area 52 problems i guess :/
disconnected again in wave 12
f*** this, not doing this today, or keys for that matter lol
edgy bone
Weren't people talking about this larynx thing yesterday? Is it actualyl legit?
astral crystal
i got the same dumb sword
edgy bone
i got the same dumb sword
639 weapon is still 639 weapon
astral crystal
yep
vague abyss
damn got lucky
edgy bone
It's our worst stats but if we're optimizing everything else as crit haste then vers mastery isn't the worst thing ever
and can't we catalyst it later?
warm plinth
Weapons don't have catalyst versions
astral crystal
Not weaps no
warm plinth
Just armor pieces
vague abyss
yes, you could get a 623 sword of poop stats because it will save a lot of crest to upgrade the good 619 sword you have
plain vapor
is it better to take mythic track helm to convert, or take the hero track sacbrood? i dont mythic raid so i dont have many chances for mythic track pieces
i guess i can chance it later for another mythic track head piece
vague abyss
myth track sounds good, but... saying as someone who never ever got that dumb egg, i would pick it tbh xD
edgy bone
@strong forum Larynx trinket is legit then huh?
astral crystal
myth track sounds good, but... saying as someone who never ever got that dumb eg...
Ive seen it drop so many times man
the tears flow
nocturne spindle
as season goes on and on more people will be willing to trade sac so
if your planning long term mythic track stuff is always better
zinc marten
Guys so we crafting 1h and shield for m+?
vague abyss
eh, idk, bis lists says we craft wrist* and belt for embellishment reasons
nocturne spindle
technically you want vault sword and shield for the 3 ilvls
and also ulgthrax or whatever boss one is drops a shield
so might be not hard to get on mythic
plain vapor
sims say helm is better anyways
azure dagger
Am gonna tank norms for first time, recommended Ilvl?
azure dagger
is it better to take mythic track helm to convert, or take the hero track sacbro...
I had same choice on my dps and I took the helm despite having heroic helm. Unless you're mythic raiding it's gonna be hard to get mythic stuff
plain vapor
true
jaunty goblet
honestly, tanking normal is fairly braindead. If you're worried about performance, 600 would be fine, but you'd be fine at 585-590
azure dagger
OK. Time to speed run gearing in 6 hrs
jaunty goblet
it all depends on how comfortable you feel, and if you know how to rotate your cds
azure dagger
Ehh first time but the guild will definitely carry
I'll try get as high as possible
nocturne spindle
on normal even as someone new probably the only thing that might be hard is ovinax because the adds make it feel chaotic
all the other bosses are very brain off for tank just swap when you need to
merry sluice
im fucking losing it with fotm shamans
azure dagger
what cds are there to even rotate? I was under the impression yo ujust keep up shield block/ignore pain as much as possible.
And then there's a few long cds.
merry sluice
as prot warrior ur cds should not be 'long'
shield wall will get hella CDR if you're spending rage properly and not capping.
you can also stance dance to d-stance when needed
you have demo shout.
spell reflect is big for magic dmg.
if you are, definitely do not stack shield wall and spell block
you have that too for casters
azure dagger
Sometimes I feel like I have too much rage but I assume thatll change at higher difficulties
urban portal
Press ip more
azure dagger
Does it have a cap
merry sluice
Sometimes I feel like I have too much rage but I assume thatll change at higher ...
you do bc you should be pressing IP the moment ur rage touches 70
dawn geode
anyone have any tips for the stupid orbs on last boss in boralus lol
have to go swimming i guess
merry sluice
spent rage is CDR on your strongest CDs, and self-healing
azure dagger
Oo that makes sense.
merry sluice
yes, IP has a cap. and any rage gained past this is basically wasted healing and CDR
obtuse egret
is there a video/sheet of everything that can be spell reflected?
sick sun
what would you take?
dawn geode
socket lol
sick sun
lmao
merry sluice
i mean it'll take a good few casts to cap ip anyways
having IP is definitely good I dont wanna undersell its defensive value (although definitely lower prio than maintaining shield block)
Just IP is off the global cd, so you can spend rage without delaying any other ability
dawn geode
idk if that fang trinket is any good
azure dagger
Its mid tier for dps
mental pecan
might b stupid question, im new to tanking + warr
should i be using ravager and spear on cd basically?
feels weirdge overlapping
azure dagger
Unless you're in a single target fight and you're about to go to an aoe fight
i would use them on cd
They generate rage
mental pecan
ty!
zealous goblet
am i psychotic or is spear not actually instant?
it feels like there's a small delay on it actually doing damage
pallid quiver
it does have a travel time, like most projectiles
zealous goblet
i think i keep almost griefing my pulls because i try to squeeze spear in before any openers
or it feels like it
azure dagger
I mean spell refelct before it hits
zealous goblet
i go
demo shout > ravager > spear
because i feel pressured to squeeze in as much as possible for the 4 seconds of enhanced damage
or 6*
azure dagger
Just tried it and you can reflect shadows of strife, delvers rejoice
pallid quiver
i go
demo shout > ravager > spear
because i feel pressured to squeeze in as mu...
If you have ravager available, toss it before going in
That'll help a lot
merry sluice
Just tried it and you can reflect shadows of strife, delvers rejoice
lol my faovurite was last boss NO
prot wariror top dps on that fight inm big keys
zealous goblet
If you have ravager available, toss it before going in
it doesn't quite feel like enough, and the obvious solution is to just tclap or whatever before throwing the spear
but i'm a brainlet. i'm curious about what the numbers difference really is between spear and roar
azure dagger
I love prot warr. I play prot warr and enhance shaman bc of lightning aesthetic.
zealous goblet
because i'd trade a considerable amount fo r the coziness of roar again
but if it's a huge difference than nah
azure dagger
Demo shout kinda stresses me out
I just use it on cd
since its both dmg and defence
merry sluice
i mean, generally the best to do, not worth holding unless you need the dr as part of a defensive rotation
just try not to overlap it w/ other dr
tulip oar
I think I might craft a shield, is it Beledar's Bulwark we want or just the stat stick one?
zealous goblet
I think I might craft a shield, is it Beledar's Bulwark we want or just the stat...
wait
wait
its MY TURN TO DO THIS
jk im not that sassy
merry sluice
zealous goblet
but the gear page on the guide says which one idr
astral crystal
I think I might craft a shield, is it Beledar's Bulwark we want or just the stat...
bulwark not great
merry sluice
smh
zealous goblet
but yeah wowhead guide says which one i completely forgot because i am not shelling out 50k to no mike, jim or bob
tulip oar
tulip oar
That kinda sucks.
zealous goblet
https://tenor.com/view/grand-theft-auto5-grand-theft-auto-v-gta5-gta-v-ragdoll-g...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313519221751676928/1284229821202829413/ezgif-1-9dff0752fb.gif
azure dagger
rip
Is 100% shield block uptime rng dependant on shield slam resets or can you do it perfectly?
south zealot
easy
jagged gust
Is 100% shield block uptime rng dependant on shield slam resets or can you do it...
With HR shield block uptime should be 100% with even the worst RNG possible
azure dagger
I remembered shield charge gives shield block too.
mighty valley
especially with the insane number of freebies thane gets
lusty grotto
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313519221751676928/1284229821202829413/ez...
bro that gif is goated
zealous goblet
bro that gif is goated
thanks i stole it
hmm. has anyone run into jewelery recommendations for sparks?
i know the guide says to treat them equally and stuff - i mean specifically which of the two purples for each choice?
earthen craftsmanship, or the other one?
azure dagger
the neck alternative is ah ealing one so no contest there
As for the ring, binding of binding is good on paper but guide recommends focusing lens for embell
zealous goblet
also i have never done anything involving embelishments before, the unique part, it means i can't have past 2, so it doesn't matter where i put 'em?
azure dagger
correct
Weapon embellishments are usually the strrongest but the guide doesnt suggest them
If you have a crafted weapon, look into the darkmoon sigils
zealous goblet
gotcha
so naked necklace and rings
since duskwoven thread is good
duskthread lining*
azure dagger
Id say so
can always swap embels on naked rings, cant swap binding
In case balance happens
zealous goblet
ty
valid bridge
Is it wise to just eat the pull damage on the last boss of Ara-Kara if your group is struggling to get into puddles?
tropic tangle
nah, it's gonna kill you
valid bridge
on +6 it barely scratched me with shield wall or last stand+demo shout up
and a healthy ignore pain
tropic tangle
not sure why your group failing puddles means you have to eat it?
should be plenty on the ground
valid bridge
dunno, rogue and feral druid kept running for the same puddle or the warlock ran for the same puddle as the healer
honestly i was the only one popping the bloodworkers, i was throwing heroic throws at them
was getting obnoxious
tropic tangle
yeah, I mean that's a them issue
valid bridge
yeah... pugs are great
tropic tangle
plus you won't be able to stack cd on every pull
valid bridge
the last pull was the one i told them id soak the hit and let them take the puddles, just please dotn take the same puddles