Yep should be about 1% each, 2% for both. A little less in AoE
#protection
high mesa
hoary pivot
Yep should be about 1% each, 2% for both. A little less in AoE
thanks
that is very minor
tribal wharf
that sounds really painful to run a 10 now
lusty grotto
focusing lens isnt that good for aoe, read the wowhead guide
it should explicitly say "use it for ST"
but 1-3% is consistent with other embelishments, also with DF embelishments
should kind of hard cap at around 5% or slightly less than
high mesa
Focusing lens is BiS for your wallet, only gotta socket and gem your jewelry once the whole expansion xD
Like holy cow are gems and sockets expensive
hoary pivot
it should explicitly say "use it for ST"
yes i know, i was limited by the crafting slot
snow oyster
i think its about 55k flat for the current shield and 66k for the potential upgrade
lusty grotto
what do you mean potential upgrade
hoary pivot
maybe i am dumb, but i think that is the buff from the trinket?
lusty grotto
just to be clear, your shield is your most important defensive piece
if youre sitting on a potential upgrade and you havent done it
youre losing a lot
because ilvl gains translate to block value which is massive
for surviving
hoary pivot
if it is, it has 30% uptime and makes you dodge 14.85% instead of the base 5%
hoary pivot
its roughly 10% additional dodge chance with 30% uptime
lusty grotto
additional to what
hoary pivot
base dodge of 5%
zealous goblet
if you use colossus as a dwarf, do you just turn human because the sizes balance out?
lusty grotto
base dodge is some classic andy shit
hoary pivot
i am nelf, so i ahve a 2% dodge bonus, dont know where the other 3% are ocming from
but either way, it should be about 10% dodge with 30% uptime for other races as well
lusty grotto
yeah thats bad
like we mentioned its probably much better on brew or bear
because they actually have some dodge
potentially on vdh as well, but not as much as the other 2
dusky summit
might be dumb queston but... do threadlinings stack? is there a reason we go 2 of them and not 1?
dusky summit
so 780 proc x2?
lusty grotto
yup
its currently bugged like BSL was, where you have to reset the buff for it to take effect, but it does
cold pilot
I coom
lusty grotto
when you initially equip both, i mean
cold pilot
I did one threadlining and a binding of bindings because I'm an idiot 😄
simple drum
Any good/okay trinkets that drop for us in delves/delve vault?
bleak breach
Any good/okay trinkets that drop for us in delves/delve vault?
The tank trink from delves is really nice. The candle decent too
tribal wharf
Any good/okay trinkets that drop for us in delves/delve vault?
larynx has extreme variance both good and bad
tribal wharf
delve is way better as solo tier 8
tribal wharf
solod ton of them at 597
lusty grotto
ok yogi
zealous goblet
hey lads out of curiosity, why is radiant power considered worse than depths
zealous goblet
i assume the proc rate of depths is high enough to out damage radiant, but i'm unsure and if i'm right, i'm curious about the math
zealous goblet
yer killin me nim
lusty grotto
youre not exactly new lol
run 2 sims comparing them
you can check uptime on its results
zealous goblet
i was hoping someone else asked the question before me and just had an answer handy before i go sim it myself
lusty grotto
if you dont know where, i can point you in the right direction
mellow quartz
fdk's are literally your best friend, their synergy with pwar is crazy
they bring everything you lack
also doing 2m dps in a SV is pretty good
zealous goblet
wait
our boot enchants dont have speed on them this time around
life isnt worth it
tribal wharf
big oval chase around the room? oh. so me or dps
like, how many should each player take
im guessing 2 each
zealous goblet
i don't think they have a strict number like algathar academy orbs did
and everyone needs to
tribal wharf
probably some amount that generally kills player
zealous goblet
yes, rotate the boss around the room, by the time you're done in 3 corners, one corner should clean up
each blob heals boss for like 6% so dont fuck up
tribal wharf
okay, i forgot it worked like that, i was just trying to make sure the balls were far away from him
rocky crest
Anyone having a brutal time in necrotic wake?
frosty mango
Anyone having a brutal time in necrotic wake?
One of the easier keys for pwar imo
What are you struggling with in there
jovial night
Hey gamers, got a question about IP on Ansurek, does IP work as a heal to remove the Feast Heal absorb or are we reliant on getting healed out of it?
lusty grotto
it doesnt
bleak breach
No
jovial night
Yeah thanks, that is what I thought since it's never worked like that before
jovial night
My raid leader trying to gaslight me into just pressing IP to heal out of it.
bleak breach
The more you mitigate the less you absorb
lusty grotto
and IV
tribal wharf
gunna attempt city 5
pallid quiver
My raid leader trying to gaslight me into just pressing IP to heal out of it.
i mean technically pressing IP will heal you, but not from IP, but from Indom
tribal wharf
07 rip bozo to me boys
pallid quiver
it, uh, is not really going to be a noticeable impact on the absorb
tribal wharf
were doomed
alpine silo
does spell block work on tentacles in grim batol? i know spell reflect does
lusty grotto
Spell block doesn’t work for the gorge absorb?
it works
pallid quiver
It won't let you clear if you're asking that
tribal wharf
i really need to print that spell reflect guide off in high quality
pallid quiver
If it works on the damage it deals, it would only work on the initial grab, so
spell block is effectively useless against GB tentacles
bleak breach
I was using spellblock for liquify to lower group damage taken and blowing the others on gorge
Seemed to be okay
Just popped an impending victory straight after and got spam healed
lusty grotto
everything queen does is spell blockable
their magic portions
their physical portions are blockable
so with spell block you are covered for everything
provided people know they need to have SB up for it to work
rocky crest
What are you struggling with in there
Every pull is just a nightmare. Small adds ramp up dmg. Bone claw hitting like a freight train.
Sb up most of the time. Sw LW pots still just getting clapped
lusty grotto
Every pull is just a nightmare. Small adds ramp up dmg. Bone claw hitting like ...
logs?
frosty mango
Every pull is just a nightmare. Small adds ramp up dmg. Bone claw hitting like ...
Yeah I’d say post logs because shield
Block/ignore pain should be doing a lot of work there and I’d suspect if you’re feeling trucked by trash your sb uptime is low
pallid quiver
Necrotic Wake is one of the hardest keys for me, because I've only cleared it once.
I may have also only gotten NW as a key once, but
lusty grotto
weird
bleak breach
Ahh thanks Nim
lusty grotto
NW is one of the easier ones for me
bleak breach
I think that combo seemed to work best for me anyway. Spellblock on liquify made group damage minuscule
frosty mango
Hardest part of nec wake is stitchflesh and you can do a lot to trivialize that by throwing 3 spears at
Him and lusting
lusty grotto
yeah probably the best use of it Sokraxx
rocky crest
Roid what trinkets are ya using? Any chance for a armory profile
lusty grotto
trinkets wont help you survive, logs will help you more
pallid quiver
Unless you're currently using the poison trinket that stuns you if you don't deactivate it
then a different trinket would, in fact, help you survive
lusty grotto
lol
frosty mango
Roid what trinkets are ya using? Any chance for a armory profile
Roidberg - area52 I think I’m in arms gear atm. But really like Nim said logs are the place to start
lusty grotto
thats true i guess
frosty mango
then a different trinket would, in fact, help you survive
Had a tank last tier in our raid who kept using some trinket that took her out of bear form. After 2 weeks of that fun I’m always wary of trinkets now
frosty mango
Uh
lusty grotto
or treemouth or rageheart
frosty mango
I can look
marble night
during forge speakers in SV, does only one vent have safe space when all the lava there?
and the other ones covered
lusty grotto
i wonder if it was spiteful storm lol
frosty mango
during forge speakers in SV, does only one vent have safe space when all the lav...
3 vents covered, one safe
frosty mango
i wonder if it was spiteful storm lol
I asked her, I don’t recall it being anything normal
frosty mango
Yeah
lusty grotto
fucking weird lol
frosty mango
It was at the very start of s4 and on the first boss of Amir on mythic she kept just dying on adds and we couldn’t make sense of it
Eventually figured out she had some trinket on and when she popped it as a part of a macro, she shifted out of bearform
Just fell over lol
lusty grotto
maybe a non-tank or dps trinket?
frosty mango
It was almost certainly a non tank or dps trinket lol
marble night
3 vents covered, one safe
ok i thought so, thanks!
lusty grotto
oh lmao that makes sense now
i was churning thinking of what it could possibly be
yeah healer trinkets will probably shift you out
or int
frosty mango
Also had a bm hunter in our raid who was trying to figure out why his dps was so low
Only had 1 pet
#imcasual
lusty grotto
dont worry
i did 3 keys last night
with my friend SP
who did not
have his offhand equipped
LOL
8 into 10, 9 into 10
he figured it out after the 9 push
LOL
shit happens to everyone 🙂
frosty mango
Sp dps is doodoo anyway he prob didn’t even notice
Just keep that pi rolling
I main priest, I’m 615 and gotta struggle to break 1m overall but I can faceroll that as arms with janky ass gear 10 ilvls lower
lusty grotto
lol yeah he was under by a considerable amouint
he was like fuck this im going to bed after he found out and told us
mossy ore
Is there a list of abilities that can be intervened this season, similar to the spell reflect/block spreadsheet? Thx team
shell iron
Im playing Gnome for Prot warrior but some guild mates tell me Mechagnome is better.Any tierlist for prot warrior races?
lusty grotto
no
mossy ore
Anything else? I was expecting it to work on the charging mobs in mists for example but no dice
lusty grotto
aside from dwarf and night elf, most gains are marginal
mechagnome is just very slightly ahead of the rest
lusty grotto
Anything else? I was expecting it to work on the charging mobs in mists for exam...
no
ivory barn
are we doing Colossus for M+?
wicked pollen
nah we are playing this 🙂
lusty grotto
are we doing Colossus for M+?
#protection-faq and read the guides
wicked pollen
mr nim ive been on a prot grind
ivory barn
so thats not the build^ ?
shell iron
Anyone can show their keybinds?
pallid quiver
People keep trying to tell me that most fotm players are actually better than they'd be on a class they like/are comfortable on
merry sluice
3 wipes to third Boss CoT IN A +9
pallid quiver
I've literally never seen that outside of like actual top of top players
merry sluice
bc the shaman hewaler was pumping a FAT 500k hps overall
and 470k on the boss.
peopel got straight heal checked
and he wanted to blame everyone else in the party
real fossil
People keep trying to tell me that most fotm players are actually better than th...
Who is saying this? Lol it’s such a trap
As blizzard has gotten better with tuning that has more or less stopped being a thing
Classic Andy’s might expect something else though 🤷🏼♂️
merry sluice
my draenei racial did more healing to the havoc than the resto shaman did on our last pull
tribal wharf
thats because its over powered
on alliance its basically expected you are that for healer
ornate thicket
is meathook still good or nah
ornate thicket
torn on what to farm. I've got horrible trinket options, but just a meathook
just got*
merry sluice
on alliance its basically expected you are that for healer
i'd say nelf for meld+water
plus drae racial is stronge ron tank bc its caster's maxhp based
but sitll, during a heal check it DEF shouldnt out heal a dedicated healer 
tribal wharf
how do you mean water, nvm
lusty grotto
earthen is pretty good for healer if you dont wanna buy waters
otherwise same ole nelf/dwarf
tribal wharf
but, yes, i suppose that, i like human for extra spirit for more mana regen. i probably would like void elf, mechagnome, probably only lightforged as paladin
frosty mango
my sim shows these 2 better than meathook at 606 ilvl lol
Both of those trinkets are very good so
ornate thicket
spelunker hard capped at 606 so it wont go any higher unless i run more delves which i prob wont
storm estuary
earthen is pretty good for healer if you dont wanna buy waters
Do earthen not have to drink?
lusty grotto
they do
but they have their own stone they can drink from
they added that a week ago
cause they couldnt drink anything but mage water
huge oversight
toxic pewter
they have a racial now that eats/drinks for them
restive plaza
is anyone else finding siege to be a slapper on higher keys?
lusty grotto
thats what i said apb
left escarp
is anyone else finding siege to be a slapper on higher keys?
the dots are rough, same with getting cursed.
toxic pewter
yeah i tried a 10 siege and my pug group did not even make it to first boss
but I was tanking decently as far as I gather.. the healer seemed to stuggle a lot
left escarp
I just rotate stuns on the guys that dot (and apply poison before 3rd boss) and if the dots land just SW.
if its not a pug, tell your DPS to focus them if your healer is struggling to keep you up.
the curse can at least be dispelled so, there's that
none of the bosses seem all that threatening if you dodge all ground effects
tender tulip
is there a cap on haste at the minute?
tender tulip
so just stack it to the sky i guess and sim for DPS if i'm surviving everything 😄
perfect
thank you! ❤️
tender tulip
and on another note, any idea why the shard is recommended on WOWhead as a good trinket, it's confusing tf outta me as to why i would want that much mastery
i have just been ignoring that 😄
left escarp
lines up for every ravager and mastery is fine for damage
only slightly less weighted
^ & spear
left escarp
macro it to spear/ravager and forget it
tender tulip
that isn;t like a biggo DPS one i mean
lusty grotto
its not weird at all
its been that way for several exps
its a shitload of mastery that converts to AP
and crit block chance
tender tulip
i mean like beacon and stuff, you feel the impact
tender tulip
mastery to ravager/spear doesn't feel like it'll give me that umfpt feeling ^_^
left escarp
mm the scum trinkie
lusty grotto
for yogi? 7+
tribal wharf
i only did 4 3's
cuz ill get 1/8 hero
vault
so thats a hero piece at the very leasty
i think
humble laurel
does anyone have a wa that announces spell reflect and how much it hit for
tribal wharf
humble laurel
thank you!!
mellow quartz
what is wrong with the search in LFG?
seach for keys for 10-12 and I see no Grim Batol
thick otter
is itf bugged? its giving me 10% haste instead of 8
mellow quartz
do a search for only grim batol and I see 2
no wonder I can never find a key for it lol
fair linden
Does spellblock do anything against the necrotic bolts in NW that put the heal absorb thing on you
mellow quartz
Does spellblock do anything against the necrotic bolts in NW that put the heal a...
blocks the initial damage, not the absorb after
fair linden
ty
warm plinth
is itf bugged? its giving me 10% haste instead of 8
ItF is a % gain. Haste % gains are multiplicative. Meaning the more haste you have, the more haste it gives you.
thick otter
ItF is a % gain. Haste % gains are multiplicative. Meaning the more haste you ...
Huh... not sure i follow. Because an 8% increase of my haste shouldn't be 10% either
warm plinth
In other words, if you have 0% haste, then it would give you 8% haste. If you have 20% haste, then it'll give you 9.6% haste.
warm plinth
Every haste bonus in the game works that way. It's not unique to ItF. Thus it is intuitive if you're aware of how haste effects work.
earnest nymph
I'm guessing if it wasn't multiplicative it would need to give a lot more than 8% to be competitive
warm plinth
Eh, 8% haste for 1 point is still very good. But the talent would be relatively weaker the more haste you had (compared to how it works currently I mean)
south zealot
8% haste for 1 talent point is insanely good
thick otter
So if i understand it right haste bonses give their flat amount plus that flat percentage x your current haste
warm plinth
No
If I have 20% haste, then the calculation would be 1.2 x 1.08 = haste with ItF
assuming full stacks ofc
Same applies to something like bloodlust. If I have 20% haste, then with bloodlust I have 1.2 x 1.3 = 1.56, or 56% haste
If I also have ItF, then it would be 1.2 x 1.3 x 1.08 = 1.68 or 68% haste
This only applies to haste % gains though. It won't apply to haste rating gains, and it doesn't apply to other stats, even if they're % gains.
Other stat % gains are just flat +x% (e.g. if I have 20% crit and gain a buff that gives me 8% crit, I have 28% crit)
nocturne kernel
Anyone able to give me some tips in 10 mists, mainly the 5 packs going thru the maze, i seem to get slapped stupid... Only been back tanking a few weeks, can 2 chest a 9, into a 10 and everything but the last few add packs in maze smack me
lusty grotto
Anyone able to give me some tips in 10 mists, mainly the 5 packs going thru the ...
spell reflect the anima slash
left escarp
reflect anima slash
lusty grotto
or spell block it
left escarp
^
thick otter
Same applies to something like bloodlust. If I have 20% haste, then with bloodl...
Ok i think our ways of calculating come up with the same results with different methods, regardless thanks for the lesson
lusty grotto
it does giga damage
nocturne kernel
spell reflect the anima slash
TY!!
nocturne kernel
or spell block it
ty
left escarp
if your healer is setting up routes you should be pulling pack to pack with IP stacked-high, can always SW as you enter a pack also if the openers are slappin you around
lusty grotto
if youre dying to something, figure out what exactly it is and check the reflect/blockable sheet on #protection-faq
always do that and youll be good
nocturne kernel
Much appreciated!
nova abyss
Sorry if this has been asked before, I've tried google but can't really find anything: has anyone played around with Rod of the Sun King? I got it from BT timewalking and it's hero track so it was a big ilvl upgrade, I know it has no stats but STR on it, but the proc seems to happen constantly, I'm able to practically spam IP and I'm still flooded with rage
ancient scaffold
Does anything reduce the CD of spell block? Or is the a flat 1min ECD
Also, most likely a bring a log angle but I'm pulling about 100k dps overall less than my BDK, usually averaging 550k overall at 605ilvl. Just wondering what are the common pitfalls or mistakes that new pwarrs make?
pallid quiver
Who is saying this? Lol it’s such a trap
A non-zero amount of people, including the people I get to play with on the regular
Meta chasing mindset is very strong
pallid quiver
Does anything reduce the CD of spell block? Or is the a flat 1min ECD
Also, mos...
Bring a log, especially if you mean M+ damage overalls, but BDK does do more damage than P War
Common pitfalls are oversending on Rev/IP, sending outbursts on the wrong spells, and just plain pulling smaller than possible
cerulean tusk
edgy bone
@mellow quartz @limber arrow We can intervene the heaving wretch breath on the first boss of NW? Even though it's nature damage?
mellow quartz
been like that since SL
they stand behind the boss you intervene them and SR and you stand on the other side
no one takes any damage whatsoever
edgy bone
how can they stand behind the boss when the boss turns to them to puke
mellow quartz
cast time
they just run behind him
so boss faces them
you stand on the other side
timber viper
i understand the trinket list is in the wowhead article, however are there any M+ defensive trinkets we like
lusty grotto
i understand the trinket list is in the wowhead article, however are there any M...
there are none from M+
foggy ingot
Can you spell reflect the Fox add on Mistcaller. Had a scenario come up where I think I did but I'm not certain
lusty grotto
no
you can reflect the pulse aoe from the illusions though
and potentially the balls, but untested
actually no
you can only spell block those 2
does anyone know if you can diffuse tentacles as well?
as a monk
in GT
waxen frigate
does anyone know if you can diffuse tentacles as well?
like the stun?
pallid quiver
does anyone know if you can diffuse tentacles as well?
Diffuse normally requires you to have the debuff on you in the first place, and since it stuns you...
edgy bone
you can only spell block those 2
You can intervene spellblock someone to negate their magic damage from the pulse AoE?
Which color am I?
open badge
Is Reactive Webbed Escutcheon bad? Has no stamina or secondaries and the Equip effect seems lackluster at best
(delves shield)
real fossil
The intervene magic shield feels might small
sick sentinel
what's the best way to handle the odd man out add on bloodbound? separate dps?
velvet jolt
Is guardian just an easier prot warrior? Just rolled a bear and it seems like a prot warrior with less buttons 🤷🏻♂️
lusty grotto
always has been
warm plinth
Is Reactive Webbed Escutcheon bad? Has no stamina or secondaries and the Equip e...
It is trash, yes.
toxic pewter
just bought mythic boots from a dude for an undisclosed amount
also killed mythic bloodbound horror with a pug
velvet jolt
also killed mythic bloodbound horror with a pug
Fuck yeah.
south zealot
Addressed an issue where Dread Captain Lockwood cannot be snared by some class spells.
idk who was talking about it earlier
but tclap should work now
ornate magnet
What’s your guys’ average overall damage on 10s?
I feel like mine is low as shit 😭
south zealot
whats ur dam
ornate magnet
600-700 depending on key
south zealot
should be over 700k pretty much always
ornate magnet
Im watching Tattman do 800-1m and im just 😭😭
ornate magnet
I should start logging for sure
waxen orbit
unkempt palm
yo, is there a FAQ covering ITF vs HR and the choice nodes on MT hero tree?
i checked FAQ and didnt see nor in the pins
wooden widget
Is anima slash reflectable ?
pallid quiver
Basic thing is that you need more haste for ITF in order to get block uptime in M+
There's pretty much zero choice on the MT choice nodes, also; the multi-target Storm Bolt is actively detrimental, and the other nodes are outclassed by Flashing/Thorim's
pallid quiver
Is anima slash reflectable ?
Anima Slash in Mists is reflectable, yes
wooden widget
That’s gonna feel so much better lol Ty
merry sluice
Man thought I found a group that could comprehend getting to the end of siege
Just for the hunter to stand in melee for every single damn aoe, and the healer to dispel them there
neon elk
All embelish do, they arent realy impactfull
neon elk
Depends on content, but its like what ? 900 random stat ? Wont make any bigg difference either imho
cold pilot
We did it boys
left escarp
We did it boys
cracked
inner wren
Im watching Tattman do 800-1m and im just 😭😭
whats the stream?
is prot warrior the highest dps tank?
raw parcel
Is it worth considering Bitter Immunity this season for certain dungeons?
glass pine
I've been meaning to learn prot just so I can get into some FUCKIN keys
neon elk
Wtf is that tier list ? It looks like its based on dps yet highest ones are C tier ? xd
raw parcel
I was also wondering that but didn't wanna sound stupid by pointing it out and having something obvious pointed out that means I'm wrong :x
unkempt palm
Basic thing is that you need more haste for ITF in order to get block uptime in ...
yeah i heard the same about having haste for ITF i was wondering what haste value people were going to then swapping to ITF? and then the choice node mostly was regarding demo shout gives tblast that node
but i can see the synergy between flashing skies and thorims might to get more rage gen
ivory barn
Hitting shield block doesn't reset shield slam right ?
south zealot
Hitting shield block doesn't reset shield slam right ?
correct
pallid quiver
yeah i heard the same about having haste for ITF i was wondering what haste valu...
It's traditionally been 40% without any buffs
so particularly unfeasible to reach this season
cold pilot
Oof, I'm hitting a target dummy for 30k less than my sim.
unkempt palm
It's traditionally been 40% without any buffs
Oh ok thanks for the info
south zealot
Oof, I'm hitting a target dummy for 30k less than my sim.
are you using execute
your sim uses execute
waxen cradle
hey guys if your fighting getting a second good ring would that be considered a worth while second craft ?
ivory barn
correct
Appreciated that's what I thought
Had a buddy wondering why I would hold block charges while having block active, it's like why press it if it's up
south zealot
just another way to spend rage
ivory barn
Just don't cap charges basically
tepid reef
Fixed an issue with Piercing Strike debuff not increasing Piercing Strike’s damage. Piercing Strike debuff now persists through death."
Was this a thing on normal as well? No wonder it was tickling
proud dock
anyone know if theres any hack/tech for the 3rd boss in city?
do we soak all orbs?
if we do, the pulse is killing us
toxic pewter
Def want to soak the orbs yes
neon elk
Yes u need to soak each, they heal boss for like 6-8%
Also u need all people to soak them not just tank
pallid quiver
Theoretically, everyone grabs 1, then healer can use their aoe heal option of choice to clear the absorb
proud dock
We are sharing the soaks, but I think the heal debuff is just too much for our healer I guess? In a 10
zealous goblet
finally got a shield to replace the shitty delve one with no stamina
why in gods name would i want 2k armor over like 300k hp
pallid quiver
I literally just got a weapon on heroic track finally
just took me going behind the back of all my friends to hit a key smh
edgy bone
Can I intervene the adds on dragon boss of grim batol? So it doesnt trigger the groupwide damage
does the add have to melee its target or just touch them
pallid quiver
https://tenor.com/view/lucille-bluth-whore-arrested-development-gif-15207337
Deserved, they bricked my key seventeen times
random pugs are better on average smh
zealous goblet
hey btw anyone cook a way to not literally blow the fuck up on grim batol?
on the last pack before the boss*
final boss*
pallid quiver
have shield block up and use a defensive
zealous goblet
i just attempted a 10 with friends and i literally instantly drop down to like 20% WITH shield block active lmao
pallid quiver
The little zergling type things shouldn't live too long
zealous goblet
shield wall and shield block*
pallid quiver
It's also one of the scariest pulls for heals/DPS due to the corrupt cast absolutely slapping the shit out of everyone
You almost guaranteed had some hit you from behind, then
which is probably the single hardest thing about that pull
There's so many that the mobs readjust extremely often,
So it's very easy to get some behind you
neon elk
Im getting used to kiting those , charge in pop ava sb and shield wall, do some dmg then kite and let dmger kill then
zealous goblet
also
scale of 1-10 am i a bad person for not using intervene and opting for the triple stormbolt thing?
pallid quiver
You're hurting yourself with that one, even
You can't control the only 2 extra stuns, and it also increases CD on storm bolt
so you get less directed stuns on what you want
zealous goblet
this much i know, but it feels like god's blessing so many times, and i'm just asking how life is for the intervene gamers out there
pallid quiver
It's better to have the intervene talent and not even use it than having the storm bolt talent most of the time
zealous goblet
It's better to have the intervene talent and not even use it than having the sto...
this is an interestin idea
i was mainly fishing for how often people intervene, or how many edge cases people have had where they noticed it
i don't think i'm breaking the meta or anything and i know the math has been done, but i was wondering for the more simple minded folk like myself
pallid quiver
You preferably can send it almost on CD; it's helpful if you have melee to do so
zealous goblet
is it off gcd?
pallid quiver
Ye
You don't even charge if they're close enough,
Hence having melee is a big ease of use
I wouldn't fuss over it as much if you have all ranged with you
neon elk
There are cases where it is usable on rangeds also, like last boss in gb , or siege once u done with tour tentacle
coral yew
Good morning, guys I'm switching to protect warrior, would anyone be willing to send me some good videos so I can learn it ? Or talents on m+ thank you all very much. Or if there would be
if anyone would give me individual attention, thank you again.
pallid quiver
There's not really many videos other than POVs of gameplay, but the Wowhead and IV guides are both very good
Come with talent loadouts and all
lofty veldt
Good morning, guys I'm switching to protect warrior, would anyone be willing to ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr0TN9fL_R0 you can use this
anyways gamers
friends are calling me a bitch for using defensive stance in m+
chat am i a bitch
do i need to be a battle stance enjoyer
oh i just read i can stance dance.
coral yew
great, thank you so much ...I hope I can do it 😬 I'm a bit afraid of it
lofty veldt
i shall no longer be a bitch
lone current
friends are calling me a bitch for using defensive stance in m+
Just call them bitches back for not doing enough dps and needing tank dps to save them
lone current
Staying alive is priority #1
round pendant
There's like no scary packs in any of the dungeons
switch to dstance as an extra defensive cooldown
then switch back
lofty veldt
is switching on the gcd?
lone current
Yeah^. It really depends on what key levels you're doing and how comfortable with the class you are
lofty veldt
im still really new to the game and i only started playing prot warrior this expansion
but i like limit testing
round pendant
is switching on the gcd?
no
lofty veldt
but sometimes idk if something is my fault or just healer's fault
i usually blame myself
mint pike
Perpetually taking 20% more damage for 3% crit is a big mistake unless you are overgearing and/or very experienced with the spec
edgy bone
Is there a list somewhere of intervene techs? Similar to the spell reflect sheet
lone current
Keeping shield block up as much as you can and not getting hit in the back are very important for prot war.
round pendant
Perpetually taking 20% more damage for 3% crit is a big mistake unless you are o...
How is the correct play a "big mistake"
If you're dying because you're in bstance you're just playing wrong and should fix that
lofty veldt
im waiting for warcraft logs to work properly so i can try and analyze my gameplay
round pendant
i usually blame myself
If it's the healers fault there's nothing to learn. Always think about what you could do better
Don't be too harsh on yourself tho
shit happens
mint pike
If you're dying because you're in bstance you're just playing wrong and should f...
Why I qualified it with overgearing content or being very good with cd management
It used to cost an additional 5% DMG to sit in dstance
Now there's really no reason not to
round pendant
Well no, you said "very experienced with the spec". Very little experience is required to simply keep shield block up and do your rotation
The spec isn't significantly harder for not using dstance
round pendant
Now there's really no reason not to
Well, that's why I said it hardly matters; but it's still objectively the correct play to not use dstance if you don't have to
lusty grotto
yeahhh
south zealot
lusty grotto
i got a hero shield yesterday
finally
after 6 days of non stop keys and no hero loot eod
and it didnt even drop for me, i got it traded fucking miracle
but yeah that first pull
even with a 3/6 hero shield fucking hurts
gonna be a fun week
lusty grotto
at least jumpy boys dont jump anymore
pallid quiver
Based on my experiences, first pull is ez clap; can add in gatekeepers and everything 🙂
tender reef
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vm1AJrxhB3Zn9jpY#fight=20&type=damage-done&graphperf=2
Can someone tell me why my dmg is so horrid ? 
merry sluice
Based on my experiences, first pull is ez clap; can add in gatekeepers and every...
:C
careful my pug dps will do just that
pallid quiver
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vm1AJrxhB3Zn9jpY#fight=20&type=damage-done&...
Without even looking at anything else, you aren't even pressing a button a minute
pallid quiver
Almost every melee spec in the game should have at least 60 CPM, so you need to press more buttons without even looking at anything else
Especially since Prot War is one of the faster specs in the game
round pendant
Hey, his active CPM is 63.5!
tender reef
To trigger shield slam
round pendant
That's more than 1 a minute!
round pendant
Yeah you definitely don't press revenge more than thunder clap
lusty grotto
all of your APM is low
pallid quiver
I mean, technically, you will press revenge more than thunder clap
since you'll be sending a lot of blasts
lusty grotto
yeah i guess youre right
round pendant
god why did they have to make it a new ability
lusty grotto
his breakdown is pretty decent
so his revenge isnt done incorrectly
its just too low APM all around
also low ilvl weapon
pallid quiver
You also sent about a third of your outbursts on TC, which can hurt your numbers a lot
lusty grotto
well considerably
pallid quiver
But still better than others we've seen
The biggest thing is just pressing faster and more buttons; catch Shield Slams better
To get more Thunder Blasts and rage, to get you more shield slams/avatar/etc
tender reef
at least up your weap to 4/8 champ
Wil do
round pendant
it's about the same
lusty grotto
looks about the same
tender reef
Damn
round pendant
literally never leave shield slam off cooldown
pallid quiver
The biggest help would be to spend like 5-15 minutes and no more at a dummy every day or every few hours
lusty grotto
with thane that is really easy
pallid quiver
you need 15+ APM on Shield Slam
my city of threads logs would like to have a chat with you about that
tender reef
The biggest help would be to spend like 5-15 minutes _**and no more**_ at a dumm...
Guess I'll try that
lusty grotto
so easy that ive been thinking about how 15 apm should move to 17 apm just because of the triple reset
round pendant
Also are you not using Ravager/Champion's Spear as much as you can?
13 spears in 38 mins
tender reef
I don't think I do 😵
round pendant
seems kinda low
pallid quiver
I think you should keep saying 15, since M+ can have RP downtime and "party decided to commit mass ritualistic suicide" downtime
round pendant
maybe nim or luerce can show you one of their logs as a comparison
I've been playing like doodoo myself
merry sluice
I think you should keep saying 15, since M+ can have RP downtime and "party deci...
oohhh so thats what i can call it when my frost dk walks into GB adds
round pendant
You also sent about a third of your outbursts on TC, which can hurt your numbers...
How do you check that on wcl?
pallid quiver
How do you check that on wcl?
Under damage done, select yourself. There's a source aura filter right above the damage done breakdown; select outburst
marsh otter
hi what should i craft for shield slot everforged defender with dusnkthread lining or beledars bulwark
round pendant
Under damage done, select yourself. There's a source aura filter right above the...
tyty
pallid quiver
All casts of Shield Slam, Thunder Blast, or Thunder Clap are how many times you sent Outburst on each
since using one of those abilities consumes it
pallid quiver
hi what should i craft for shield slot everforged defender with dusnkthread lini...
Everforged; Embel options are better and you can choose to remove it later, even
round pendant
oh I'll just look at one of nome's logs
marsh otter
ok ty
pallid quiver
What's a good ratio to strive for?
Heavily depends on what pulls are looking like, since it's worh sending outbursts on Blast, but you want as few as possible sent on Clap
Unless you're doing bungo AOE a lot
round pendant
Nome seems to send like 80% of his on SS
pallid quiver
In general in a key, since you'll spend a decent amount of time swinging at bosses, you'll likely send more on SS overall
And you also prefer SS over TC in AOE
tender reef
Thank y'all for the help ❤️
pallid quiver
But not blast
So you'll send it on SS a lot more than Clap, and likely more than Blast
tender reef
Would love to see a good log ngl
pallid quiver
Most of my 11 up there were for gathering add purposes, since pug skeddadlin'
tender reef
You guys know some good videos of prot warriors ?
pallid quiver
Sense normally has POVs
Critcake did a few keys early on as Prot,
And if Pika is active right now, that's another good one
round pendant
Comparing myself to nome is why I did decent damage throughout all of DF
pallid quiver
Nome's done more keys as Arms than Prot recently, but he streams, as well
round pendant
then I started slacking off and I'm back to being bad again
pallid quiver
I did horrible in my Threads run; I wasted 548 rage ;-;
jagged pier
he plays both
round pendant
There's some logs where he's thane
tender reef
Ah found one thanks
pallid quiver
Yeah, he's been playing around with both. Makes sense, since he keeps coming around to say how he's not really scared of anything in keys, which is about the same as I feel.
pallid quiver
accurate
south zealot
I mean, technically, you will press revenge more than thunder clap
sure but thunderblast should be significantly higher than it is
oh that was an old as fuck reply
mb
south zealot
Nome seems to send like 80% of his on SS
bc its great
a ton of rage
thunderblast is usually more damage but not more prio damage/rage
rage gives a ton of hidden damage
pallid quiver
someone come carry my +2 GB so I can get a +10 before the end of the night, kthx
er
+8 GB
carry it to a two chest for a +10 key
i swear i can thunk
pallid quiver
Maybe when the US has its next civil war and I become a political refugee, Jakey
lusty grotto
you can do non-bountifuls for hero vault right? my brain is giga melted right now and ive been gaslighting myself for like 10 mins
pallid quiver
Should be able to, yeah
jagged pier
ye
pallid quiver
Just need to be the right tier
lusty grotto
yea t8
pallid quiver
I think if DPS/Heals brick this one, I'm gonna give up this week and just play farm games instead
dusky summit
Are yall opening vault as dps or prot? Wondering what trinkets id miss out on if I went prot instead of arms/fury for mythic plus loot if I already have crafted shield
green bronze
Are yall opening vault as dps or prot? Wondering what trinkets id miss out on if...
i feel like dps trinkets are not very useful right now, and most that are useful also drop for prot, like sacbrood
lusty grotto
khardros doesnt drop for prot
green bronze
i think i will open as prot cause my myth gear will come from m+, if you done 4 bosses on mythic and have shield, might be worth going for arms
lusty grotto
mandate also doesnt drop for prot
green bronze
khardros doesnt drop for prot
is it good for prot?
jagged pier
yes
lusty grotto
of course it is
the only reason to open as prot right now is myth shield
not trinkets
pallid quiver
jusr give up already
it actually timed
barely missed the +2 tho
by like 10 seconds
green bronze
im running meat hook and sacbrood currently, but hook feels very underwhelming, it barely does more than 1.5%
pallid quiver
but it also give 2.4k str
jagged pier
well its giving u strength too
pallid quiver
Damage that gets soaked into your normal abilities isn't very interesting or fun, but it's very useful
green bronze
but it gives the same amount of strength as other trinkets, so should compare its use with other trinkets
tender reef
the only reason to open as prot right now is myth shield
Bro has myths in his vault q.q
lusty grotto
doesnt matter, i cant open as prot anyway because of raid
rustic pagoda
dumb question because i cant remember:
what does xxx (yyy) mean on logs for avg cast/hit?
waxen cradle
What you guys think if I am fighting getting another good ring is it worth a craft at this point... 619 version I mean
zealous goblet
is brann's max level still 38?
pallid quiver
Probably not? There's not many sparks around yet
green bronze
is brann's max level still 38?
47
jagged pier
doubt it
jagged gust
I dont see how
green bronze
is brann's max level still 38?
btw, im not aware if there is a cap, just that max lvl possible is 47 now
zealous goblet
well, my first attempts were at like, ilvl 600 with a level 28 brann, and it wasn't impossible, but it was too tedious and reliant on brann targetting eggs
surely with 11 more ilvls and about 12 more brann levels, considerable progress can be made
jagged pier
its doable as dps with brann as a healer
green bronze
maybe in colossus in 620 ilvl?
jagged gust
Maybe, you're still gonna get your shit pushed in the entire time
Even when you figure out how many CDs you need to hold on to to break the egg, you still need to be able to survive the melees
green bronze
so about vault, now im confused. Do we open in prot in hopes of myth shield or do we open in arms in hopes of good trinkets and craft shield
zealous goblet
uhh, tried it a little, feels a little easier than when i last tried it
green bronze
so about vault, now im confused. Do we open in prot in hopes of myth shield or d...
i don't have any mythic raid slots, only m+
lusty grotto
myth shield if you did 10s
and/or myth raid
otherwise arms/fury
thats pretty much it
green bronze
are 3 ilvls in shield so important?
lusty grotto
yes
green bronze
got you, thank you
zealous goblet
jfc
oops, censored message
zekvir is a NOT SO NICE PERSON (person's behind)
after trying him twice on ?? i went to do a bountiful on tier 11 and he decided to spawn
we hooked up once and now he thinks we're married or what
jagged gust
Current tier 11 feels like the old tier 8, absolute slog
I bet it took like 5 minutes to get him to despawn too
Actually current tier 11 may still be easier, still a slog
tender reef
after trying him twice on ?? i went to do a bountiful on tier 11 and he decided ...
Is that the easy or hard mode?
zealous goblet
Is that the easy or hard mode?
hard
tender reef
Oh yeah miss me with that enough time to do that with higher I lvl 😅 does that give something else than the easy mode ?
jagged gust
it makes an ugly mount purple or something
tender reef
Damn I need that
jagged gust
Just gonna park it next to my other 249 mounts
steel briar
Hello guys quick question, how to make the last boss in ara kara easier? people always get griped in and cced by the swirlies/ and or steal other peoples pools
pallid quiver
Hello guys quick question, how to make the last boss in ara kara easier? people ...
poke more of the small guys
I'm pretty sure you can make it so there's more pools than people
So if you run out of pools by that point,
There's someone actively griefing you
At any rate, no +10 for me this week
DPS refuse to use defensives, and I can't solo bosses fast enough
strong forum
it makes an ugly mount purple or something
Excuse you?
The blimp is fucking amazing
pallid quiver
It's killer on the ozone layer, tho
strong forum
pallid quiver
nome how do i make friends who play this game who aren't so ego'd out that they can't improve
pallid quiver
i need to up my shit talking game
the only game i work is shit posting
I'll probably unsub for the season tomorrow; behind on the loot treadmill, so I cannot be assed trying to catch up
strong forum
They really made gearing a lot slower this season
pallid quiver
Like the initial burst felt faster than usual, but the actual end grind feels like ass
pallid quiver
Especially if you're stuck slumming it in 6-8 town, wondering if people are gonna interrupt today or not, so you can't even get those crests
strong forum
Ye
pallid quiver
I knew I'd probably only play a week or two of season proper when I saw the crest amounts go up
Because gear treadmill is the single reason why I stop playing WoW; I just wanna press buttons
snow oyster
what do you mean potential upgrade
As in the crafted shield with crests
soft aspen
mount is guaranteed or
pallid quiver
Yeah, it's an achievement mount
soft aspen
suiii
looks like a mage tower boss
speaking of mage tower
it took me like 40 tries to get prot done
absolute aids
pallid quiver
I don't find the tank mage tower particularly engaging at all
It's mostly just annoying
soft aspen
i didnt have food drums flask nothing i tried raw dogging it
pallid quiver
The entire thing is a game to maximize DPS in small burst windows to get through P1 as fast as possible
soft aspen
The entire thing is a game to maximize DPS in small burst windows to get through...
Have you done tank druid one?
Im curious because I might make an alt
jagged pier
mage tower is a joke nowadays
soft aspen
yeah just need consumables but fckin expensive rn D:
jagged pier
u need 0 consumes for mage tower
pallid quiver
Have you done tank druid one?
Not any time recently
strong forum
Beating zekvir t2 or "??" is not easy these days
So it's quite a rewarding thing to get
jagged pier
nah hes asking about mage tower
strong forum
Ah
strong forum
They should all be hilariously easy
strong forum
Especially cuz the current mainstat food isn't re-scaled
So you just use that, and you're extremely overpowered for it
round pendant
crazy, looks like I was right about unholy being better than frost
south zealot
in what context
frost needs to be played very well and have a tank with good understanding of cd timers to be great
unholy owns tho
round pendant
yeah and frost gets cucked by their dps variation
5 minute fight and you still have a +/- 30% dps range lol
fresh pilot
At what tier of mythic+ does DPS start interupting? and not blame the warrior for missing interupts?
Stuck at m+7/8s on my warr. 611 item lvl. 4 tier pieces 3 of which heroic.
I interupt everything i can, but forexample in NW, i had a run yesterday on a +7 with a rogue DPS did 4 interupts through the instance, i did 43... like.. at what skill level does DPS start using their kicks?
round pendant
People never start interrupting
jagged pier
At what tier of mythic+ does DPS start interupting? and not blame the warrior fo...
they dont
round pendant
If you're pugging there's always some clown who decides he's gonna make everything harder for everyone
Best thing to do is when you meet someone good, add them and actually ask them to do keys in future
graceful kite
At what tier of mythic+ does DPS start interupting? and not blame the warrior fo...
99% of people stop pugging right before they find good players
fresh pilot
its freaking tiresome, @round pendant yeah i have done that with a few healers who i have been playing well with. Wish i had a fixed team to run with.
graceful kite
you can always save anima orbs for interrupt heavy encounters
and pull 1 collector at a time upstairs
fresh pilot
I am, usually saves it for 2nd. boss.
graceful kite
interrupt goresplatter stormbolt drain 1 tick in
I actually don't get saving it all on 2nd boss
fresh pilot
personally im using all my stuns, and kick, and spell reflect constantly on cooldown.
graceful kite
when you can position yourself with only 1 mage in range that can be cced or interrupted by a range
fresh pilot
true, but that requires the rest of your group to do the same.
graceful kite
they kind of have to if boss is there
strong forum
The after effects of vdh soloing aoe stops for 2 seasons
graceful kite
if a dps isn't happy to cleave down adds they're probably in emergency and need an ambulance
olive wolf
Hello why do top pwar uses ITF in high keys, i eard it was not quite good for S1 with hast actuals numbers ? (sorry for spelling)
graceful kite
btw pug shamans aren't casting bloodlust or buffing skyfury
strong forum
Cuz rn you get haste buff from affix frequently enough to carry block uptime
And keys are easy enough on weekly key level that you don't get punished for a handful of seconds of block downtime
olive wolf
i see, thanks for the fast answer 😄
graceful kite
17 drums gone in 2 days of pugging with shamans
icy ridge
btw pug shamans aren't casting bloodlust or buffing skyfury
many ppl unfortunately aren't using their class buffs
graceful kite
611 ilvl is more than enough
I got 611 yesterday by crafting a 636 weapon and I did 10s on wednesday already I think
merry sluice
There's someone _actively_ griefing you
a fun one
is when a dps dk jsut slams out abom limb while gooped
before the suck
:>
merry sluice
17 drums gone in 2 days of pugging with shamans
yeaaah shammy is the new fotm
fresh pilot
I got 611 yesterday by crafting a 636 weapon and I did 10s on wednesday already ...
Nice! i am considering crafting a weapon 636 weapon aswell, i got the shield from queen HC. and upped it this week.
What trinkets are yall running if you dont mind me asking, ive been trying to get the one from NW, which is apparently super strong. but no luck yet. atm im running Ceaseless swarmgland and ara-kara sacbrood.
silent sphinx
how much overall dps you guys hitting in dungs?
graceful kite
600=800K
graceful kite
I have 4pc yep
strong forum
900k-1mil
clever dawn
Is Skyterror Reality that Good? I use it on CD on Targets where i can use the Full duration and it does Like 2% Overall
strong forum
It's better on ST than aoe
clever dawn
Feels like it does nothing when pressing the Button
south zealot
how much overall dps you guys hitting in dungs?
can easily do a milli if i had real prot 1h and shield
strong forum
It's not like mandate that crits for 10million in 1 big pump
silent sphinx
man, im really sucking then
605 ilevel and im getting like 420k overall DPS in dungeons
pallid quiver
instructions unclear, i do no overall because that implies i finish a dungeon
strong forum
Blaze it
silent sphinx
certain fights with lots of small mobs i hit much higher but the average is that
south zealot
nomer u play arms at all this patch?
pallid quiver
He raids as arms and has certainly attempted to play Arms in keys
south zealot
king shit
strong forum
Which is a whole 2 times in keys so far
south zealot
not as king shit
pallid quiver
those did not go well
strong forum
And 90% of heroic
Nah I have a chill timed av9, but I'm mostly tank prison in keys
But I finally got a shield traded
No more paper shield
So instead of losing 10hp I will now lose 0 hp
pallid quiver
I've recently actually taken damage.
Player knockbacks are scary when uncalled
jagged pier
icy ridge
Does anyone know if casting jumper cables while tanking prevents me from blocking/dodging/parrying?
strong forum
It does
icy ridge
Ok so don't even bother buying them as tank
pallid quiver
nome i need you to say yes so I can keep pushing the costs on to my friends
They don't need to know I thought the exact same thing as what you just said
icy ridge
I'll buy some just in case, but isn't it almost always better for a dps to res?
strong forum
What if no one else can res
pallid quiver
i mean the DPS does more damage than you if they're playing well, and the above
strong forum
Cuz they're busy
And you're not busy
Or they're just plain bad or lazy
Or turbo slow
More often than not they're just turbo slow
pallid quiver
There's even times where you're literally not being whacked at all in both raid and dungeons
1st boss of Siege, there could be no adds up and boss is fixated on someone else
icy ridge
I guess
pallid quiver
literally hit you at all
pallid quiver
I was trying to show that there is some times where there's literally no excuse
Literally no excuse
maiden nimbus
Anyone else ever git hit with the boss frontal stacked behind the pillar at the exact same time a tidal wave was coming on the 3rd boss in siege? - Didnt even know that could happen - that one got us good lol
fresh pilot
Anyone else ever git hit with the boss frontal stacked behind the pillar at the ...
yeah happened a few times to me as well.
graceful kite
Anyone else ever git hit with the boss frontal stacked behind the pillar at the ...
always happens a couple of minutes in the fight
ionic fern
Anyone else ever git hit with the boss frontal stacked behind the pillar at the ...
It's the 3rd Tidal Wave overlap.
maiden nimbus
good to know lol none of us were ready for that one
ionic fern
Jeah,it's a tricky one,but once people know to expect it, it's not bad.
graceful kite
you can see it on dbm or lw timers
95% encounters in wow are solved by looking at ability timer bars
pallid quiver
sorry, there's no room on my screen for those, i need the space for my seven details windows all about my damage
tawdry dirge
not really into macros
how can i combine a trinket with spear?
nvm found it chees anyway
coral yew
Is there anyone here who could help me learn prot. Warriors for golds
pallid quiver
Press shield slam a lot, don't overcap rage, press IP if you're close to capping, keep shield block up
that's
about all you need
fresh pilot
yeah i mean, keep up shield block, shield slam on cooldown, thunderclap on cooldown. keep up IP.. try not to die.
jagged pier
cooldowns on cooldown
fresh pilot
yeah
just, pop everything, and then, kill shit, and pop everything.
while doing what i mentioned before.
then stuff die and you dont.. usually.
steel briar
pray the dps kills stuff before the stuff kills you
fresh pilot
oh, i forgot, also, use interupt, its a mythical very rare button for most people in lower keys, but it will make you not dead on a lot of trash mobs and bosses.
steel briar
and spell reflect is your friend, nothing beats the boss beating itself
fresh pilot
basically, put all spells on hotbars, and click all of them on cooldown.
then you will win
and use battlestance, because, fuck 16% less dmg taken!
violet ginkgo
and spell reflect is your friend, nothing beats the boss beating itself
Sad though we got no big boss reflect this season. Compared when we do NO or HOI.
tender reef
605 ilevel and im getting like 420k overall DPS in dungeons
I'm at 605 and do like 350 👍👍
silent sphinx
We can be bad together
tender reef
Yay
fresh pilot
anyone has an updated NW route?
I have updated one, can share it with you tonight once im home 🙂
tender reef
Pls share with me too
fresh pilot
Will sshare once home, its just one change in a pack tbh. so quite simple
tender reef
But route is smallest issue
Dps refusing to kill adds in the 2 and 3 boss fight are the real issue
If I would do 1m dps I could do it myself
strong forum
I'll stream a nw10 in ~2hrs
See how it goes, wanna get 2.5k for my particle effects
graceful kite
its easy on a tank
strong forum
I know
graceful kite
tho when I pulled 3 boneflayers it wasnt easy on a tank
strong forum
But I only did a 9 so far
graceful sinew
hi folks, For Dungeon is crit vers emb better or the single target one
strong forum
Crit/vers
graceful sinew
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