kick butt
#protection
harsh trellis
toxic pewter
theres an anvil u interact with
lusty grotto
the group has to be close
harsh trellis
Thats awesome
toxic pewter
dwarfs and blacksmiths can also interact with it
tribal wharf
what surprised me about machinists on mythic is if you dont kill them same time its giga lethal to non tanks
lusty grotto
you need to be a warrior or a blacksmith (not sure if engi) to activate it
tropic tangle
warrior / bs / dwarf
lusty grotto
there you go
tropic tangle
can do the anvil
tribal wharf
we killed the robot first and within 2 seconds he murdered entire team except for me
toxic pewter
do you go there after first boss or go to other side first
yeah gotta kill both at same time or 1 enrages
lusty grotto
that boss is the hard boss
merry sluice
both bosses need to be cleaved. if one dies before the other its instant defensive and flame your dps for going into keys without even watching a dungeon guide angle
tribal wharf
other than machinists i think that dungeon is very good
lusty grotto
skarmorak is
toxic pewter
yeah that boss nothin but issues
merry sluice
my favourite has been never getting dispelled before the boss slam 👍
lusty grotto
you know
tribal wharf
there has to be a ramp up to that dmg on death or a grace period before it
harsh trellis
The only dungeon I hate doing so far is ara-kara and its just the last boss that annoys tf out of me
thats it
lusty grotto
so basically i do twins first
jagged pier
that is a take
lusty grotto
indeed a take
merry sluice
one of the takes
toxic pewter
whos having fun in there lmao
harsh trellis
I am
harsh trellis
its a fun key to pull
toxic pewter
hmm
lusty grotto
siege WAS dogshit in BFA, its even worse now
tribal wharf
dawnbreaker is fun when im not forgetting to SW/spellblock the beam explosion
lusty grotto
same
harsh trellis
yep church house in
toxic pewter
ok
harsh trellis
go in the back of the church
toxic pewter
why
tribal wharf
u can go to the back of curch
harsh trellis
you get pull count
toxic pewter
oh interesting
tribal wharf
at the very back of curch is a mounting spot
tribal wharf
the house is pain in my ass to pull
harsh trellis
I fly right into the house and pull the thing
toxic pewter
ok
merry sluice
cry bc some dps is going to pull eveyr caster around the pack
toxic pewter
yeah inside seems decent for the house?
can mobs pull through walls at house or wat
tropic tangle
dunno, but I've seen so many butt pulls at the house
lusty grotto
i dont do count on house
i just fly and look for shadow eles since they are the most efficient
toxic pewter
yeah I just want the mini boss at house
lusty grotto
everything else is very inefficient count
harsh trellis
The worst buttpull is the last main guard thingy. where you fly around the back side of the Tavern
tribal wharf
what aobut the house
the house has 2 dudes that cast something at you that you can deflect with spell reflect (you want to cuz it hits for 4m) and they cant be hit with stuns or kicks
harsh trellis
someone will pull the spider you dont need
toxic pewter
is there a patrol or some shit that goes by house
cuz my group pulled some random shit
and I cant tell what happened
merry sluice
there's 4 casters in front of the house
slimes that cast on one side
and spider casters on the other
harsh trellis
^
merry sluice
so if ur dps refuse to engage their braincell and stand still
toxic pewter
ok so just mobs that pulled
merry sluice
ur gonan take a metric fuckton more dmg for very inefficient %
tribal wharf
i picked up the 4 casters out side of the house, then went up the ramp to the 2 tacticians i think they are called
lusty grotto
slimes are worth no percent
extremely fucking inefficient
waste of time
if youre pulling slimes, youre wasting time
toxic pewter
yes
tribal wharf
hey that rhymes
harsh trellis
So if you pull the backside of the church, then inside main mob, then the front of church, ..... Then the house, 1 captain, then just the front. When you get to the 3rd captain, land, and kill the captain and then the courtyard, you make count.
Youre at 94% with boss
lusty grotto
i pull front of church, stairs, then around the inner wall
nothing else
thats like 6 shadow elementals
and your percent will be fine
merry sluice
i find the trash on the road leading to the front of the church, then the stairs of the church gives huge % for like 2 pulls
harsh trellis
I still like that instance
I like that they made the 2nd boss stationary
instead of how it was roaming
wet totem
Any tips for last boss of echoes? Really struggling on that boss. Never enough pools and end up pulled in before I can get myself rooted. Run to a pull early and save OF?
toxic pewter
leap onto a small dude to make a pool of ur own
lusty grotto
eh?
pallid quiver
Any tips for last boss of echoes? Really struggling on that boss. Never enough...
The small guys running around, when they get tapped by literally anything, drop the pools
lusty grotto
just spam heroic throw on little adds throughout the fight
pallid quiver
Then you leap into a pool, and see the slime spawn on the other side of the arena, and you cry
toxic pewter
Lesson learned DO NOT spell reflect before walking/leaping into a pool
noted actually didnt think about that lol
merry sluice
snockless gamers
left escarp
just spam heroic throw on little adds throughout the fight
started doing this and it's cracked strategy, cotton.
dusky canopy
Man that was a fun one I leaped to the pool last second spellreflect mid air and landed without being rooted and instantly yoinked to the boss and one shot
harsh trellis
I have a priest who is amazing
mellow quartz
why did you spell reflect though?
harsh trellis
She pulls me back whenever she sees something break that im standing in on that boss.
dusky canopy
I just panic sent buttons because we where all low health
Was my first time fighting the boss
dawn geode
i do this for dawnbreaker
harsh trellis
link to path?
dawn geode
err add that dark architect next to rashananana
3% over though but its pretty pug friendly
tropic tangle
same, then you pull the arch pack at inn, then mini and you're ready for 2nd boss - architect - 3rd boss
warm plinth
Bana, bananana, damnit
echo grail
Man I wish I was home playing wow with my wife
warm plinth
Wholesome af
lusty grotto
i wish i was home playing wow with your wife
edgy bone
Into the fray seems stupid for M+ because how often is your entire group ever within 10y of you
lusty grotto
uh huh
we dont play it for M+
its also not stupid because of that reason
mobs count for it
so do pets
tropic tangle
echo grail
i wish i was home playing wow with your wife
Too bad for you she's not pugging keys this xpac
lusty grotto
edgy bone
Dude ITF is dope
lusty grotto
Too bad for you she's not pugging keys this xpac
she did with me 😎
lusty grotto
Dude ITF is dope
youre an idiot if youre using it atm on keys
again
not because of the reason you mentioned
edgy bone
we dont play it for M+
Why? Nomer is doing it
lusty grotto
Nomer is nomer
echo grail
Tbh she may have, our last guild was very clique so she went up to 3k just pugging
edgy bone
youre an idiot if youre using it atm on keys
Dorki says use it once you're geared
edgy bone
Idk I'm 618 iLvl and doing ok with it
echo grail
I use it, but im built differnt || (wrong) ||
edgy bone
Use ITF if you wanna be 2500 io and timing 11s like me
toxic pewter
ive been using itf i also have like 18k haste unbuffed or some crap
edgy bone
lusty grotto
dont listen to Ticon he doesnt care about sims
echo grail
Bro compares himself to juggernaut, a dude who got power cables shoved up his ass. Lol
edgy bone
Use heavy poopercussions if you wanna be stuck bricking +8s for the rest of your life
median wigeon
Tbh 618 means you can do 11s after picking your talents blindfolded
lusty grotto
jesus fuck you have to be 12 years old
edgy bone
Bro compares himself to juggernaut, a dude who got power cables shoved up his as...
You can stick a firehose up my ass if it gives me more DPS
toxic pewter
u guys think curse enchantments worth it on rings
lusty grotto
no
echo grail
Bro used his actual photo for his profile pic
toxic pewter
ok
edgy bone
Bro used his actual photo for his profile pic
Wait til you see the banner
lusty grotto
nah hes 12, thats his grandpa
toxic pewter
shirtless gym photo.. jfc.. why did i click that..
edgy bone
🤣
toxic pewter
anyone got any bleach
echo grail
Reminds me of the Russian from rocky 4...gym dude who's body is built off drugs
edgy bone
ROFL
lusty grotto
the guy is literally every single dumbass that comes early season rolled into one
"i dont believe in sims" - Ticon
toxic pewter
XD
lusty grotto
"look at my io, like it fucking matters" - Ticon
edgy bone
" sims, more like, poop" - Nim
lusty grotto
"i use ITF cause Dorki said so" - Ticon
literally 12 years old
if any of you have been here for a while
jagged pier
u can both stop now
edgy bone
Thanks jakey he's attacking me again
jagged pier
and take it DMs
lofty warren
which one should I use because dorkie said to?
jagged pier
i dont give a shit
vocal flame
lol
edgy bone
which one should I use because dorkie said to?
Use ITF if you want your vault to be full of +10s already and do 900k overall in keys
split stratus
Pretty dumb question, but is it possible to have a 100% uptime on shield block ? Even when using SB/Shield Charge on CD seems like there is always a little downtime, right ?
lofty warren
sorry but what is itf
lusty grotto
sand paper
jagged pier
Pretty dumb question, but is it possible to have a 100% uptime on shield block ?...
nope its possible press buttons on cd
lusty grotto
use sand paper when gooning
pallid quiver
Pretty dumb question, but is it possible to have a 100% uptime on shield block ?...
If you're in constant combat with HR, you can absolutely have 100% uptime
edgy bone
Into the fray, choice node that gives you haste
Instead of heavy poopercussions which is what wimpy people use
vocal flame
why are you listening to dorkie when Nim and Nom are gods
echo grail
Tbh I think Sims are dumb cause it's all in a vacuum and very few % of playerbase can play that way to get the maximum value.
edgy bone
Tbh I think Sims are dumb cause it's all in a vacuum and very few % of playerbas...
Amen bro
lusty grotto
Tbh I think Sims are dumb cause it's all in a vacuum and very few % of playerbas...
thats not the context
edgy bone
Fuck sims, time keys instead
lusty grotto
and sims most def arent dumb
lofty warren
ok so I change the shield to the other picture
real fossil
Tbh I think Sims are dumb cause it's all in a vacuum and very few % of playerbas...
Figuring out how real gameplay differs from sims is pretty important and lost by most people who blindly follow our robot overlords
lusty grotto
yes pepega listen to Ticon
edgy bone
ok so I change the shield to the other picture
Correct
edgy bone
Now you will do 900k overall in keys like me
lofty warren
idk i like having shield block up i feel like taking less damage is good
lusty grotto
report back when you get fucked in the ass by a non-blocked hit
mighty valley
sims don't tell you how to play but they're better at helping you know what gear to pick than "trust me bro"
lofty warren
i would rather live than do max dps. you do 0 dps when dead
echo grail
They're good for reference and testing but I find playing what feels best to you, even if it's not what Sims say are best, is more important than fucking up because Sims said run this but you can't get the value
edgy bone
idk i like having shield block up i feel like taking less damage is good
More haste = more survivability AND damage
More shield block up = only more survivability
lusty grotto
LMAO
mighty valley
and damage
pallid quiver
They're good for reference and testing but I find playing what feels best to you...
I, too, have difficulty pressing a button on my trinket it told me to equip when it comes off CD
edgy bone
They're good for reference and testing but I find playing what feels best to you...
Yeah bro sims are stupid
real fossil
Theres so few people above 615 that’s just dumb advice at this point for line 99% of players
split stratus
I pressed SB/Shield charge on CD I have 6sec of SB remaining and 10sec of CD. Am I missing something ?
edgy bone
Someone told me all the other tanks were were gonna outdps me
lofty warren
can you link your weak aura? i'm using luxthos and hate it
lusty grotto
just remember guys, you can sell your 10s to Echo and Liquid and instantly get 2400io
edgy bone
But I shit on all these weakling tanks
pallid quiver
I pressed SB/Shield charge on CD I have 6sec of SB remaining and 10sec of CD. Am...
HR, every time you shield slam, adds time to SB
edgy bone
Prot warrior BiS
mighty valley
I pressed SB/Shield charge on CD I have 6sec of SB remaining and 10sec of CD. Am...
A lot of talents interact with shield block uptime, search "shield block" in your talent tree to see them all
edgy bone
just remember guys, you can sell your 10s to Echo and Liquid and instantly get 2...
Liquid been selling their +10s to ME
Begging me for carries once they saw I use ITF and outdps even the pumpiest of pumpers
echo grail
Now that fury has bladestorm back, when does prot get it?
edgy bone
Heavy poopercussions users
split stratus
HR, every time you shield slam, adds time to SB
I play with into the fray in M+, I guess that's my issue there
mellow quartz
gotta love on a +11 siege when you get the nice pull in overlap with the shout at the start the entire group I had sat at 5% hp after lol
toxic pewter
all fun and games till u take a hit without sb up
edgy bone
Which I won't
pallid quiver
I play with into the fray in M+, I guess that's my issue there
Without enough haste, you run into gaps in block uptime in keys, particularly on bosses, since you can't ensure full stacks at all times, as well as just needing more haste to reduce the CD of Shield Block enough to get enough uses
lofty warren
@loud thunder can you pls answer us on which talent best? tico says into the fray is better
pallid quiver
It's used in raid because the melee camp will make sure you have full stacks, and you also aren't tanking 100% of the time/aren't really getting blasted by blockable damage all the time
lofty warren
lets see if we get the definitive correct aswer now
edgy bone
It's used in raid because the melee camp will make sure you have full stacks, an...
ITF is proccd by enemies too
mellow quartz
you tagged the wrong person
pallid quiver
who did you even ping
lusty grotto
... by tagging the wrong person
lofty warren
oh shoot
edgy bone
In keys you always have enemies around to proc ITF
toxic pewter
he tagged another dude with a shirtless pic
lusty grotto
ITF is proccd by enemies too
you didnt even know this until 2 mins ago you idiot
toxic pewter
we need to ban all shirtless pic individuals tbh
mellow quartz
everyone agrees ITF is the superior talent if you can play around the SB uptime, most people cant
lofty warren
@strong forum can you pls answer us on which talent best? tico says into the fray is better
mellow quartz
at less than ideal haste
lofty warren
there I got the right guy now
harsh trellis
Hopefully Prot4chan will settle down later on
edgy bone
you didnt even know this until 2 mins ago you idiot
LMAO
split stratus
Without enough haste, you run into gaps in block uptime in keys, particularly on...
Alright, tyvm ! So once I have enough gear I should have enough haste to have 100% SB uptime ? Meanwhile I should play Heavy Repercussions ?
toxic pewter
with this weeks affix it helps a lot with haste
mellow quartz
if you have to ask if you should play ITF you should NOT play ITF
ionic fern
You play ITF if you have enough haste to keep SB up without HR.
YOu play HR if you don't.
mellow quartz
if you know you know
edgy bone
If you are a beast that wants to time keys, you run ITF
ionic fern
EAsy as that.
pallid quiver
Alright, tyvm ! So once I have enough gear I should have enough haste to have 10...
Correct, but do note that it's fairly impractical to get enough haste rating this season to use ITF in keys
ionic fern
If you are a beast that wants to time keys, you run ITF
Calm down now buddy.
edgy bone
If you are a wimpy noob that never wants to time a +10, use heavy poopercussions
drifting fable
pallid quiver
It is possible iirc, but it's not particularly realistic
ionic fern
If you are a wimpy noob that never wants to time a +10, use heavy poopercussions
Take a time-out.
And consider this a warning.
toxic pewter
omg I got the brewfest drake customization finally
neon elk
Did 8gm over time, such pain, idk how we managed to gather like 19 deaths , while i had 2. But got the trinket at the end , someone please say gz to me, thanks xd
echo grail
Gz
split stratus
Correct, but do note that it's fairly impractical to get enough haste rating thi...
Alright, just copy/pasted the Maxroll M+ build without thinking, I guess this was my mistake here. tyvm for your help !
pallid quiver
Take a time-out.
I don't really know what was said for you to do anything, but thanks, boss. It sounded like it was a slap fight
echo grail
Bro couldn't take a hint to chill
pallid quiver
Alright, just copy/pasted the Maxroll M+ build without thinking, I guess this wa...
The main thing to note about the Maxroll guides is that, last I've heard and checked, they're like the Wowhead guides without context
alpine silo
speaking of "into the fray" how much haste are we talking about exactly to run it?
toxic pewter
He is giving bad information tbh, heavy repurcussions is a solid talent and serves its purpose
lusty grotto
absolutely apb
pallid quiver
speaking of "into the fray" how much haste are we talking about exactly to run i...
Traditionally, it's been 40% before any kinds of buffs
bronze wraith
What is a good % haste to aim for? I am at 28% before into the fray
smoky anvil
Traditionally, it's been 40% before any kinds of buffs
So more than is reasonable rn, no?
pallid quiver
Effectively
alpine silo
yeah thats too much right now
lusty grotto
What is a good % haste to aim for? I am at 28% before into the fray
as high as you can, without sacrificing ilvl
pallid quiver
Like I mentioned above, I think it is possible if you've got like right proper full bis and some of those neat jewelry pieces that give chunky haste, but that's impractical to assume you'll have
lusty grotto
its not possible this season
next season maybe
that being said, you play ITF in raid because youre not tanking all the time so gaps are fine
dangerous to play ITF in keys with current haste ratings, so most of us HR instead
pallid quiver
If you do play ITF in keys, at least you have full stacks on trash to help you out in melee hit hell
split stratus
Indeed, I thought I was fine on trashes most of the time, just had some troubles on a few bosses, now I know why !
sweet summit
HOOOOLY CHATTING TODAY BIG FAN OF THAT
pallid quiver
Yeah, you'll still eventually run into problems with uptime on trash with ITF without enough haste, but if you're not doing particularly high keys, things won't live long enough for you to see that. You'll quickly see it on bosses, hence why it probably felt weird to you
bronze wraith
Is our 4 piece any good?
pallid quiver
eh
pallid quiver
It is, in fact, an increase over not having it
echo grail
First set of an xpac is almost always just "meh"
sweet summit
so why does havoc get like ten bajillion % dps from this seasons then...
lusty grotto
and brew
sweet summit
i think it's unfair and we need to protest
pallid quiver
back to dawnbreaker i guess
I hope the break did good for your mental, Yogi, and good luck
tropic tangle
you got it buddy, hit a defensive and you're good
bronze wraith
Do 50% damage shield trinkets work well with ignore pain?
strong forum
extremely well
bronze wraith
Like they cover 50% of damage each. Would they together cover all
bronze wraith
Ah ok
That makes me really want aggression module even more.
I am taking defensive trinkets for pugs. It takes so much burden off me having to trust healers
mellow quartz
you pretty much have perma IP uptime so it's just 50% from the trinket from what you would take anyway, it's not really 75%
waxen frigate
i think it's unfair and we need to protest
Putting out a hit on Erga
bronze wraith
I know everyone hates defensive trinkets, but they smooth the luggage experience alot
waxen frigate
i am parrymaxxing
Parry this keg you fucking casual
bronze wraith
I think you can get 3 million from the shield on module. That doesn't seem half bad
mellow quartz
you have 10m hp
lusty grotto
we dont hate defensive trinkets, we hate bad ones
or when they serve no purpose to what you can fix with your gameplay
because in that case, you just have an empty trinket slot
echo grail
What's a good defensive trinket that isn't that one from delves
sweet summit
Parry this keg you fucking casual
echo grail
He's bluffing, no one plays brewmaster right now
echo grail
I still say call his bluff
lusty grotto
youd lose
edgy bone
@strong forum is the Arakara haste egg an instant take from vault assuming it's myth track?
waxen frigate
I still say call his bluff
Call it: cope or seethe
sweet summit
nice inspect element you're not fooling me
waxen frigate
Fuckin 619 monk one of the top geared monks in the world rn I’m fighting god
And winning
south zealot
He's bluffing, no one plays brewmaster right now
brew owns wdym
its hard but it owns
me neither
tender reef
if anyone remembers me i dont have logs, will make some soontm but just made the account for it, doesnt look too bad 😛
south zealot
are those damage logs or just key logs
lusty grotto
those arent logs
tender reef
thats what i said
lusty grotto
they are ranking
south zealot
ooooh okay
yeah once u start logging change the dropdown from key or points or whatever it says
to dps
tender reef
theres no dps there
ahh "points" damage
you mean this ?
ahh points is just what u get when u clear it
got it, thanks 🙂
south zealot
yes
toxic pewter
why not
strange pier
hello, is there a reacheable haste value in order to be able to drop Enduring Defenses and Heavy Repercussions?
toxic pewter
hello, is there a reacheable haste value in order to be able to drop Enduring De...
drop enduring defenses O_O
u r wild
strange pier
drop enduring defenses O_O
thinking in a pvp context
toxic pewter
lol
tribal wharf
oh, so you just spell reflect the thing i died to
toxic pewter
I mean just drop both in pvp who cares
tribal wharf
god damnit
is it possible to reflect all of them?
the explosion portion of the beams dawnbreaker
first boss
i dont know the spells cooldown
sullen wadi
Didnt someone create a reflect WA for m+?
shut summit
👍
plain vapor
this any good?
tribal wharf
i cant think of any good examples, but there are some abilities if you align them right
and hit spell reflect on cd
the same spell gets reflected all the time
lusty grotto
this any good?
its decent, sim
toxic pewter
do we want swarmlord trinket is it any good defensively even
tribal wharf
its okay imo its not my favorite trinket, you are a tank, why would you want something that goes off if you die
lusty grotto
its ok apb
tribal wharf
unless it does 25 million dmg
toxic pewter
u think it better than my chain weaver
lusty grotto
similar, i would say but hard to beat attack slows
toxic pewter
yah the attack slows are hard to quantify sort of?
lusty grotto
yes
tribal wharf
whats the deal the the new affix adds, spawns of them
lucid nimbus
Are the trinket tier lists up to date?
lucid nimbus
whats the deal the the new affix adds, spawns of them
Easy
lusty grotto
yes
tribal wharf
well, yes but how do they really function or is it literal hang out and they give buff
lusty grotto
you have to use a stop yogi
tribal wharf
seems like u can kill them
lucid nimbus
You have to remove them
lucid nimbus
Yep
lusty grotto
they are like razsageth adds
tribal wharf
oh, so more of them you kill /stun more players get more buff stacks?
something along this lines
?
lucid nimbus
Never let a boss get the haste buffs 😂 boss goes brrrrr
chilly brook
@waxen frigate bro I sneed 4 set, I'm gonna be cranking with it
tribal wharf
its buffing the boss too?
lucid nimbus
its buffing the boss too?
If the affix goes off it buffs adds and bosses yea
lusty grotto
they are easy to handle
tribal wharf
well, i saw it buff the seige final bos,s i think, the octopuss started to glow purple i think,
thats not a good sign
lucid nimbus
Its easy yeah
tribal wharf
you guys said i could do anythingg
lucid nimbus
Tauren racial can also do it
tribal wharf
so i did a 2 dawn breaker with 590s and no brez
we had 2 dragons so thats sort of cheater i guess
dawn sapphire
Hiho buds. Can anybody tell me if this shield is good/bad? Sims -0,6% in dungeon overall for me. But i wonder how good it's defensively. https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=218125/reaktiver-eingewebter-wappenschild
lusty grotto
bad
gritty eagle
2nd boss cot, do i think more dmg from the freezing dot if i dont have other players nearby? i just did it with full caster comp and that shit hurt like hell
tribal wharf
ring yes
lusty grotto
2nd boss cot, do i think more dmg from the freezing dot if i dont have other pla...
yes
tribal wharf
players need to be near u
gritty eagle
ah that explains it
tribal wharf
debuff starts at 15seconds timer
every player near by reduces that by 1 second per second timer of ur buff
so u can get it down to only liek 3 seocnds
gritty eagle
fair enough, i barely survived a 7 with like all defensives + healing pot and health stone
thought it was kinda crazy
alright
thanks
feral heart
anyone notice any taunting issues on xyveza? did heroic the other day and it constantly would go back to the other tank after the tank mechanic went out and I taunted.
tribal wharf
probably need logs for something like that (i'm not a raider but i know how this story goes)
mighty valley
these are usually either gigantic damage disparities between the tanks or the other tank is accidentally taunting and not owning up to it
tribal wharf
are you matching the dps thats on your sim or coming close to it?
mighty valley
yeah if you're at range do some heroic throws, with the taunt aggro bonus that should secure it
lusty grotto
i recommend this https://wago.io/TauntDiminishing
tribal wharf
thats one of first questions to ask yourself, the more dmg you do the more threat you have built against the monster
chilly brook
Hiho buds. Can anybody tell me if this shield is good/bad? Sims -0,6% in dungeon...
good if it's your highest ilvl, not so much otherwise
rough gate
I’m new to tanking on prot does anyone have any suggestions for keybinds feel like what I have now is not optimal
chilly brook
I’m new to tanking on prot does anyone have any suggestions for keybinds feel li...
deeply personal so what works for me might not work for you
lusty grotto
of discussion
rough gate
Gotcha
lusty grotto
in:#protection binds or in:#protection bind helps
any of those will give you results strictly from this channel
chilly brook
but generally I use 1-6, qerfxc and then a bunch of mouse binds
dawn sapphire
good if it's your highest ilvl, not so much otherwise
My current shield is 606 but i could pump this one up to 613
*619 later
lusty grotto
My current shield is 606 but i could pump this one up to 613
then use it, but replace it asap
rough gate
but generally I use 1-6, qerfxc and then a bunch of mouse binds
Yeah that’s pretty much what I use for fury but not sure what would be optimal since prot seems to have more buttons to hit than fury does bc of the amount of cds at your disposal
dawn sapphire
then use it, but replace it asap
I wonder why it's so bad defensively? I mean quite a lot bonus armor + the effect?
tender reef
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vm1AJrxhB3Zn9jpY#fight=22&type=summary
@strong forum please check it if you got some time ❤️
rough gate
I try to stay away from shift + key cuz I find it awkward
echo grail
1-7, F, T, and everything else is a click
lusty grotto
I wonder why it's so bad defensively? I mean quite a lot bonus armor + the effec...
no stam, no secondaries
hard lock to school type
dawn sapphire
OH no stamina
lusty grotto
added armor is not important
mighty valley
clicking is so alien to me, i can't imagine clicking any ability at all
but i do know some really excellent players who click a handful of abilities so
everyone's different i guess
echo grail
I've been a clicker since I started
mighty valley
but... what if I need to make a micro camera adjustment while i'm clicking...
i'll DIE
echo grail
Idk, people ask me how I track things without weakauras or addons and it's like do you not have a (de)buff bar you can look at?
echo grail
I bet you have grandpa
lusty grotto
imagine having to look up
for a split second
when everything could just be closer to where you should be looking
it adds up
its a hipster-like flex
echo grail
It's pretty fun and enjoyable doing content where I don't need a half dozen trackers to monitor things
graceful kite
so on siege 2nd boss hamstring is still the way
south zealot
i dont know if you can comprehend how much better you will be if you just keybound all your abilities
waxen frigate
thunderblast doesnt slow enemies
It does if you take the talent that increases range for sure
And you should take that
south zealot
you dont even have to move your action bars
just keybinding all your spells is infinite value
lusty grotto
i bet it is, but youre also trying to put others down when you say
and it's like do you not have a (de)buff bar you can look at?
graceful kite
I just trusted others and stopped hamstringing
lusty grotto
at this point we gotta assume its intended
echo grail
i bet it is, but youre also trying to put others down when you say
> and it's l...
Wasn't trying to put anyone down, but there's a lot of people who swear by these addons and belittle others for not using them, but then they break or something happens and suddenly they can't play because they don't know what anything does
ornate thicket
thunderblast doesnt slow enemies
God i missed that. Good point
echo grail
this gives the wrong vibe
The vibes are under your skin. You should dig them out
graceful kite
shouldve used a defensive
nah release leap taunt nothing sketchy going on here
lusty grotto
The vibes are under your skin. You should dig them out
youre being incredibly hostile when i havent been with you
so what the fuck is your deal
im not bullying you for being a clicker
chilly brook
It's pretty fun and enjoyable doing content where I don't need a half dozen trac...
And also probably extremely underperforming tbh
chilly brook
many times
Same and the same people usually are the ones holding everyone else back
waxen frigate
I haven’t had issues with it and hamstring is not on my bars
graceful kite
I can upload a video if you don't trust me
lusty grotto
nah
graceful kite
it's just a psa for warrior friends
graceful kite
I just saw nome saying clap is enough and it's not really
waxen frigate
Highly doubt other warrior was using hamstring
waxen frigate
Enhance
lusty grotto
bear?
waxen frigate
Boomie
tribal wharf
feral
lusty grotto
i guess wild mushrooms slow
lusty grotto
but idk if they play that
waxen frigate
Yogiposting
lusty grotto
and elune's moondust
tribal wharf
tribal wharf
Yogiposting
bro
i looked him up on armory
yogiposting is when i die to dawnbreaker tankbuster
waxen frigate
i looked him up on armory
Brother I did the key
waxen frigate
Fuck if I know man
lusty grotto
thats a 20% slow on moonfire
tribal wharf
oh, okay then, well my bad, but that was what was on the armory
lusty grotto
lmao nish cmon
lets see
i did Ehn, Havoc (without glaive slow), Warlock 10, same comp but with FDK instead of warlock 7 yesterday
in the 7, she fucking jumped all over
in the 10 i was hamstringing
until when i didnt and she jumped
graceful kite
Highly doubt other warrior was using hamstring
tribal wharf
looks like he might have it macrod to charge
first, or one of first attacks he uses
lusty grotto
huh
tribal wharf
thats the end frame of his charge
lusty grotto
ok so?
that doesnt necessarily mean its macroed
you can just hamstring while travel time happens
and it spell queues
tribal wharf
i think this warrior has his hamstring macrod with charge for some reason
chilly brook
i think this warrior has his hamstring macrod with charge for some reason
pvp thing
tribal wharf
but, why would you do it on that boss,
lusty grotto
because if you dont, she jumps
thats the entire conversation
read back a few lines yogi
tribal wharf
other powerful snare things like it too or
lusty grotto
sure
but TB is bugged
on it
and chains of ice was also bugged
im not sure if it got fixed
vocal cave
how do I justify colossus on mythic ovinax 🙂?
mighty valley
just don't mention it and hope no one notices
lusty grotto
i dont think you can
youre full inting if youre colossus on that fight at this point
and especially on prog
unless if youre 620
tribal wharf
ill be honest
literal the only change i noticed for sure in siege is the 3rd boss doesnt patrol
tribal wharf
everything else to my recollection is exactly the same., well 2nd wave, thats about it though
tribal wharf
always did ? the guys start of the dungeon?
there was haste removing stuff in bfa
im pretty sure
lusty grotto
curseblades slap but are reflectable/spell blockable
tribal wharf
shredder dunno him,
lusty grotto
raiders pull everyone in, and not just the tank
tribal wharf
ah, so its just tiny tiny changes then
lusty grotto
spotters dont do damage to mobs anymore
tribal wharf
the horse trample doesnt kill everyone im noticing alot less at least
tribal wharf
so many ppl in bfa would just watch the horse turns 220 degrees to look at them
and then trample, dead
mighty valley
god my friend was trying so hard to get us to keep a spotter alive and bring it along
lusty grotto
the haste debuff did exist, but this time around its actually very noticeable and hits hard
lusty grotto
fear
tribal wharf
shaman said tremor
tribal wharf
i just run out
lusty grotto
not that we care if brage is not on cd
you dont have to
just brage
just like in BFA
cedar jetty
healers from my guild keep telling me that I am getting damaged a lot in m+ even though i use my def CDs, am I doing something wrong or what?
lusty grotto
could use logs
otherwise it could be anything
what dungeon? what key level? any specific packs? are you keeping SB up? are you using reflect/spellblock when needed?
any specific bosses?
if you have a log, it could answer all of that
opal drum
Whats demo should cd in m+ mostly? Like ~30 secs?
opal drum
kk
cedar jetty
no logs but last time on a +5 NW I pulled 2 packs at the very start and my healer friend kept complaining, I keep SB up
lusty grotto
no logs but last time on a +5 NW I pulled 2 packs at the very start and my heale...
a log would help inmensely to identify what you did wrong
did you get back hit?
small comet
@cedar jetty are you keeping enemies in front of you?
cedar jetty
yeah i try to keep them in front of me
lusty grotto
i pull 4 on the start of NW
so
its hard to compare
without seeing data
can you search for your character on WCL and see if someone logged it?
cedar jetty
will check
lusty grotto
or a similar key/situation
cedar jetty
monk
lofty veldt
Is wcl working for you guys?
lusty grotto
healer type does not matter
small comet
also demo shout on cd
lofty veldt
Maybe some mobs aren’t in front of you for the blocks and snuck in for some butt slaps
cedar jetty
i try to prioritize IP, i use SW when I see my hp go down a bit too fast to my liking
lusty grotto
i try to prioritize IP, i use SW when I see my hp go down a bit too fast to my l...
first mistake
IP is not the first prio
SB is
IP only over 70 rage
cedar jetty
i meant that after i have SB up
lusty grotto
ok but still
lusty grotto
youre supposed to be hitting IP all the time
cause you will be constantly over 70 rage
it also shouldnt be on the same line as wall or spellblock
find us a log, it'll do more than for us to keep asking random questions
and if you cant find any, we can point you to how you can do it on your next key
he just said its a 5
and youre showing him a 5 pack pull
toxic pewter
do people actually do that pull wtf is that monstrosity
heady kelp
do people actually do that pull wtf is that monstrosity
Yup normall pull on high k eys
lusty grotto
yeah no reason to tbh
real fossil
I think you can slow roll some of the tiny packs on the side as the pull gets more manageable
real fossil
You just bring them along for the ride
fair sorrel
based
lusty grotto
you can do g6 with boss Apb
thats what i do anyway
g6/g11/g10 are simple with boss
it depends on lust
lust on boss = pull into boss
lust on start = you can do that pull
toxic pewter
g7 pack actually fucks
i did a 10 and that pack actually hurt me bad
yeah I guess if u got lust goin may be worth it nut not sure i would that in a pug personally
mellow quartz
You wanna lust first pull though to get it in CD or you won’t have 3rd lust for 3rd boss
lusty grotto
alyrion is correct
toxic pewter
yeah most pugs ive been doing have not lusted first pull
mellow quartz
Boss does nothing and you intervene all group damage
toxic pewter
but i agree it is better
mellow quartz
yeah most pugs ive been doing have not lusted first pull
You are the tank?
Tell them to lust
toxic pewter
yeah i will going forward
lusty grotto
will check
did you find any logs? if not we can point you as to how you can do it
tribal wharf
toxic pewter
what addon does that I need that
tribal wharf
im not sure tbh
lusty grotto
what addon does that I need that
pretty sure thats details key recap or w/e
toxic pewter
pretty sure thats details key recap or w/e
what the heck how do i enable this
mellow quartz
what addon does that I need that
details
fair linden
Do you guys prefer indomitable or BSV for m+?
lusty grotto
where it says Show End of M+ Panel
lusty grotto
Do you guys prefer indomitable or BSV for m+?
we prefer the builds in wowhead
so... indom
toxic pewter
ty so much
lusty grotto
try it and let me know cause that looks slightly different from what im used to
i just didnt see the point in it and disabled the earlier versions and it stayed as is
raw parcel
Just got Oppressive Orator's Larynx, it's higher on the tier list than quickwick's candle, anyone have experience with the larynx? I'm kinda spooked by the lack of raw stats on the thing.
edgy bone
Boss does nothing and you intervene all group damage
What do you mean by intervene all group damage?
mellow quartz
What do you mean by intervene all group damage?
the breath on the first boss in NW
strong forum
Just got Oppressive Orator's Larynx, it's higher on the tier list than quickwick...
its extremely good
tribal wharf
opal drum
Is berserker rage usable in raids / m+ enviroment, or are those fears unpurgeable?
strong forum
zerker rage works on all of them
tribal wharf
zerker rage op vs fear
lusty grotto
Is berserker rage usable in raids / m+ enviroment, or are those fears unpurgeabl...
very useful
mists first boss, siege golems
either way its free so
unless youre asking about the talent...
which uhh i guess it could be okay for mists 1st boss (but only on high keys and without a shaman)
but golem fears can be LoS'ed
both can be LoSed
same as they were in BFA
opal drum
very useful
Thx
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
tropic linden
I'm having hard time believing he is 610 and 1800. Played prot all during SL and DF when we had some pretty rought times and never had much problem pugging, tank is always on high demand.
lusty grotto
prot pallies are just getting mad flak because the perception is that they are dogshit
tribal wharf
could EASILY be staged
lusty grotto
but they are more than capable of tanking those keys
tribal wharf
fuck, the first image could be on some 520 mage
toxic pewter
Is mad queens mandate like other trinket channels can’t block/dodge/ parry right
lusty grotto
its possible, i doubt a lot of us have though
toxic pewter
I want that trinket
lusty grotto
i suppose if youre pugging queen you might have a chance
toxic pewter
Yah I killed her maybe will be in my vault..
graceful kite
looks like he might have it macrod to charge
no he just hamstringed
trim condor
Or it could be his low key, I had dawnbreakere on +3 And I tried to log 7-8 with 2k Rio And screen was similiar first 5 minutes, then I got invite in +8
hexed moth
can I do macro ravager with spear?
tribal wharf
you could but i dont think you would want to
they have different cast ranges
spear is i think 10 or 15 yards, and ravager is like 20+ up to 30 i think
ravager also has a slight homing effect and follows the combat
neon elk
Also u will have to press that macro twice and u probably dont wanna always use them tigether
tribal wharf
so its very hard to screw up casting a ravager, easy to screw up spear
strong forum
you cant macro 2 gcds onto the same
glad cedar
what are people crafting? I see a lot of different
tribal wharf
okay, same boss but new problem lol
team blew up this time, i blame it on they didnt put the dots on the outside of the play feild
smoky anvil
what are people crafting? I see a lot of different
I went bracers and headed to shield next.
Weakest slot then shield was my thinking.
glad cedar
Yhea, i see different shields and some craft weapons
lusty grotto
what post dd trinket nerf
hoary pivot
i thought they are nerfing DD trinket numbers for tanks?
lusty grotto
that was in prepatch
it only nerfed hook to follow in line
the latest one
i dont know if dodge is impactful for us
tribal wharf
i have to imagine its more for dh bear
lusty grotto
even then
dh parries
monk and bear, if anything
its hard to say
20 sec of dodging, if it works, means less rage gained also, could be minimal but still worth mentioning
oblique radish
Is there something wrong with keys? only siege and NW keys?
lusty grotto
are you filtering by them
tribal wharf
no the game just wants you to have lots of fun
oblique radish
basic filtering
tribal wharf
it keeps giving me dawnbreaker as an example
lusty grotto
no idea tbh
Lion, if anything try to test it out and log
if nobody else has tested it already
hoary pivot
Lion, if anything try to test it out and log
will do and report back o7
lusty grotto
yes
dusky canopy
snow oyster
Is anyone able to explain block value to me? I don't understand what it does, but my prot has an adventurer shield so gets absolutely slapped about in 10s, a myth track shield has about 10k or 20% more block value, but what does that mean outside of block chance (which shield block covers)?
snow oyster
Im good with math if it makes it easier to explain
lusty grotto
where K is a constant we call "the K-value"
K value changes between difficulties
but should be the same for both m0 and m+ at any key level
for crit blocks its just twice the block on the numerator
up to
85% max (this number varies sometimes its hard capped at 60%)
for blocks
timid jasper
Well after way too long playing without a main.. I want to fight stuff, mobility and not die so here I am lol … can’t wait to mog hunt to look badass
snow oyster
So if the k value is, say, the same as my current shields block value, i basically mitigate nothing
lusty grotto
hmm no
k value makes it so the denominator is always bigger than
i dont have the numbers for the actual k-value this exp
but here are some for reference
keep in mind, these are last expansion
also S1 of last expansion
for reference
these are SL's k-values
so we're looking at around last expanion s1 * 4
but dont quote me on that
or rather 12824.94 * 5.22
so the M+ k value should be around 66,997.59
again, these might not be it, i would need to check
so running those through the formula, lets say you take a 1 mil physical blockable hit
i would need the block of your current shield
coward came into my VDH's delve and ran off
at least i know he still shows up
ebon talon
fight him in his ?? cave we'll see who's the coward then
lusty grotto
i will
when i have time
i have to gear 5 alts
i dont have time to fuck around
this vdh has gotten a map
every delve
fucking wish i was kidding
lusty grotto
sim
coarse lynx
your right
prime garden
if mastery is our worst stat, why does a mastery/crit ring sim higher for me than a crit/haste ring? is there a certain amount of mastery we want?
lusty grotto
mastery being lower prio does not mean avoid it
smoky anvil
Because it’s more like haste is S tier and every thing else goes to like A- maybe. There’s not a gigantic drop off.
lusty grotto
dont think like an average wow player, worst does not mean stat ban
all stats are good for warrior
some are slightly better than others
except for haste
prime garden
ok, I shouldve said "lower in priority" for mastery i guess
but good to know
tyty
lusty grotto
there is no hard requirement number for stats also
having some mastery is always beneficial
prime garden
ok, so whatever sims the highest? with haste as number 1?
lusty grotto
right
prime garden
perfect, tyvm
proud dock
was watching dorki and he had like 40% haste at some point. is that ideal?
lusty grotto
sims should account for haste, so you shouldnt worry about it
40% with buffs?
or without
proud dock
i think with, i was distracted so i couldnt study the screen unfor
but 40 without seemed high
so i assumed with
smoky anvil
40 without is too much, Eomer, son of Eomund.
proud dock
ok gotcha thats i guess what i wanted to know
dark cosmos
i mean 999% is "ideal"
lusty grotto
not really
gcd cap is where you would flat out stop gearing haste
which is close to where we stop as well
and which is currently unatainable
bleak breach
Is there more class tuning this week? I couldn’t find the post but saw people talking about it.
agile elbow
Tomorrow yeah
bleak breach
Ahhh okay. Just couldn’t find it on Wowhead
agile elbow
trim condor
I love war tankiness, but sometimes I feel so powerless when healer decide not to help at all
I had pot on cd unfornatelly, healthstone aswell
agile elbow
@bleak breach
bleak breach
Thanks mate, saw some guys talking about warrior nerfs. No idea what they were on about
lusty grotto
the fury nerfs were last week
and overall bladestorm nerfs
prot got a slight buff as a result of those
but that was last reset
tribal wharf
for sure
timid jasper
I always feel bad when I tank because I’m not a super pusher and like to be steady as I go so I can be aware of group n shit
dark cosmos
like dont like going super fast neccessarily you mean?
dark cosmos
ya im a degenerate m+ speedrunner but i still think itd be v cool to have untimed hard prog dungeons
maybe like a timed 7 gives the same loot as a timeless 9 or whatever
(balancer how you will im not thinking that hard about it)
south zealot
I love war tankiness, but sometimes I feel so powerless when healer decide not t...
yeah i mean u went 9 seconds with literally 0 external help
unfortunate
cerulean abyss
blizz marked my account to not receieve any more gear this week. how far can i expect to push with ilvl 601? I'm mild to moderately not terrible.
cerulean abyss
self diagnosed of course, but I afk'd in LFR too long I think
inland raft
Blizzard has workers whose sole job is to distribute loot you think its a automatic system but really its chinese child labor manually assigning loot
inland raft
Say too many bad things about china and no loot for you
cerulean abyss
warr is completely overtuned. I'm topping dps charts in +4. think they'll tune soon?
lusty grotto
right away
south zealot
yeah prot warrior is wildly overtuned
lusty grotto
can solo m0, please nerf
trim condor
yeah i mean u went 9 seconds with literally 0 external help
Was more than 9, i was already at 60% a used healthstone 10 sec before. I got 1 reversion in 25 sec of that boss
graceful kite
can solo m0, please nerf
asmongold shows how BROKEN warriors are
lusty grotto
youre gonna summon yogi
toxic sentinel
holy crap its him
lusty grotto
is that candice?
timid jasper
So I’m just reading the differences between hero talents and it basically sums up to don’t play collosus is that so.. that bad ?
lusty grotto
That's not it
Colossus does giga damage at the expense of rage cycling issues, it'll be great for parsing, raids on farm and/or vault keys when properly geared
It's weaker defensively due to less AM Wall resets
So its only good if you're not progging, be it a key level or a boss
timid jasper
Oh ok so for a schlub like it it’s more than good I do like me some dmg
final gust
is that candice?
who the hell is Steve Jobs
lusty grotto
Yes
timid jasper
Ah ok I’ll give it some time then
turbid shuttle
shredders apply a bleed thats not-dwarfable
it is dwarfable btw
lusty grotto
It wasn't for me
turbid shuttle
they might have re-applied. I dwarfed it today.
lusty grotto
Well I'll be on the lookout, I might still have logs
prisma echo
Hey fellow prot chads. I have question about m+ rio score. How tyranical/fortified is working pointwise? We have separate points to rio like in DF each weak or its now combined and doesnt matter?
timid jasper
Also besides orc what’s a great race for mogs
unique wyvern
Whats your damage looking like guys? I have 610 ilvl 4pieces and I'm averaging an overall 650-700k doing +7s
tribal wharf
it better not have given me mists again
lusty grotto
Hey fellow prot chads. I have question about m+ rio score. How tyranical/fortifi...
separate up to 10s
at that point any week is the same as the last because both tyr and fort are active
prisma echo
but why its separate each week if its tyr and for active 😄
hoary pivot
is it normal that the elemental focussing embellishment is only like 1% of my damage?
lusty grotto
but why its separate each week if its tyr and for active 😄
because its not
only 10s have both active
anything below 10s has separate weeks
next week is fort from 2 to 9