protection

[tribal wharf]

if succesful, let us know

[drifting fable]

you can definitely do it you just have to time it around 0.5 of the cast left

[proud dock]

bro im about to quit the game. i bought the pvp gear using the spelunker token. i didnt even realize the other vendor had hero track gear.

sum1 kill me

[tribal wharf]

they dont let you refund?

[toxic pewter]

Lol that happened to my fiend except opposite we do a lot of pvp and he brought pve version of tier

It’s more common than most expect to be honest

Maybe put in a ticket

[proud dock]

i cant refund cuz i put it on last night and now my friends are tel me the two vendors are different

🤦🏾‍♀️

[toxic pewter]

Yep two vendors

[tribal wharf]

if you are lucky a human will take the ticket and then take pity on you

[lusty grotto]

just submit a ticket

best you can do

[proud dock]

ok i guess

[toxic pewter]

Yah hopefully blizz can help

[lusty grotto]

youre most likely gonna get an AI answer

which doesnt help

[tribal wharf]

never know

[lusty grotto]

but you dont lose anything

[autumn pawn]

sorry to say but they dont do stuff like that anymore. tried it too many times

[toxic pewter]

Well it’s still a champion piece of tier not the end of the world but yeah not ideal I guess

Can also start doing some PvP

[lusty grotto]

champion?

[toxic pewter]

Lot of fun these days if I say so

[lusty grotto]

spelunker is hero

what is this champion shit

[toxic pewter]

Well the pvp tier is champion if I recall correctly

[lusty grotto]

ah

yea

you right

[toxic pewter]

Like that’s the issue they complaining about

I think

Start playing rated battleground blitz

[terse oriole]

q: any tips on the feast/heal absorb for heroic queen? wondering what I can do to minimize the effect

[snow oyster]

ooof.

[lusty grotto]

are you using spell block

[terse oriole]

and this is why I pinged because I'm a moron and nope

🙃

[lusty grotto]

ok for reference

go to #protection-faq

and click on sense's sheet

that one

has spell blockable shit

and blockable shit

and reflectable shit

Nerub's tab

and scroll down to queen

[terse oriole]

🙏 thanks got it open

[lusty grotto]

read the lines btw

[terse oriole]

silly question - what's the effect of it being blocked? reduced heal absorb?

(via spell block)

[lusty grotto]

im not 100% sure, but it would make sense it would reduce it

perhaps someone else can answer

[rough crater]

Hos much of a value is block on a shield for us? I haven't gotten a shield or 1h in over 30 m+ yet and some +9 are just slapping me with my 593 shield and weap combo, sitting at 608 ilvl

[molten gorge]

Any spell reflect WA enjoyers encountering the same problem I am (and fixed it)?
Currently it seems to just announce regardless of who a spell is targeting (I have name plates on)

[shell atlas]

Similiar overall ilvl. 616 shield. Block chance is 34.68% sitting in town with 41.24% reduction. 62,747 block stat on shield if that helps give an idea.

[lusty grotto]

depends on k values

but i feel ya

like i mentioned before i havent gotten ANYTHING out of eod chests on 7+ keys

to answer your question

block has INMENSE value

which is why shield ilvl > all

jumping tracks on shield will result in a pretty noticeable difference

just max your current shield honestly

until you get better

for maths

(K being K values)

[bleak breach]

That’s scary

[lusty grotto]

i dont know if we've gotten the exact number but it differs between content

the k-value that is

[rough crater]

Thank you, exactly what I was looking for

[lusty grotto]

the formula for crit block is just 2 * block , so
Damage taken after block = Damage taken before block * ( 1 - ((2 * block) / (block + K)))

on the numerator

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

thats bannable here

[molten gorge]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

good

[tropic tangle]

lol

[toxic pewter]

[cinder solar]

EZPZ 5% NERF

AYO

[toxic pewter]

wat

[lusty grotto]

idk man raidbots is like 2 bucks a month

people buying ultimate editions to play early access and cant drop 2 bucks for it

smh my head

[toxic pewter]

Tww early access was the best wow I’ve played in many years

Miss those days

[lusty grotto]

Lol he left

[toxic pewter]

[molten gorge]

Mm depends what it is ig, I understand not wanting to pay for some stuff even if the price is reasonable

imo raidbots is worth

[lusty grotto]

Did he unironically join skyhold to fiend for a fucking raidbots premium sub

[toxic pewter]

Who just asks a public forum for login to an account

[molten gorge]

Ya that's cracked me up

[toxic pewter]

Yes lmao

[molten gorge]

Like ask a friend or something?

[lusty grotto]

lol

Oh well I guess

[molten gorge]

Never seen someone ask for private WA packs even, and they're far less invasive to share

In a public disc I mean

[lusty grotto]

Oh we've had a couple, but I reckon it's cause most people don't know about them

[molten gorge]

Mmm fair point ya, probably not super common knowledge

[lusty grotto]

[sleek meadow]

@molten gorge Do you still have the issue with your wa ? I have the same wa and its definitly not working as intended

[molten gorge]

Ya still the same, can't figure it out

[sleek meadow]

Bruh

[molten gorge]

Feel like it has to be a conflict of some kind

But not sure what

[sleek meadow]

Tried to remove multiple wa, doesnt fix it

It might be bw/dbm

[molten gorge]

Am using plater for nameplates (cast bars are on + target) and I'm an elvui fan boy so idk if it's either of them

[sleek meadow]

Yeah same

[molten gorge]

Hmmmm

[sleek meadow]

Might be plater then

[molten gorge]

Could be, weird if it is tho, cause who tf doesn't use plater ??

[graceful kite]

Stealing is 2 bucks cheaper

[molten gorge]

[graceful kite]

Havent paid for anything wow related since wod

Lifes good

[molten gorge]

Extremely based

The private wa thing irks me, so I get it

Idek why it does, but it does

[graceful kite]

Yea i just tell people who invite me that I wont spend a dime on that shit game to buy an expansion

[graceful kite]

Whats the wa

[lusty grotto]

oh he said 5% nerf, guy is a fury player

LOL

[molten gorge]

Let me get wago link sec

[lusty grotto]

i bet he asked in #fury and got fucked in the ass

[molten gorge]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

[graceful kite]

Ah I have my own one for that

[molten gorge]

Like it isn't that deep with the reflects, it still sort of does the job, cause it notifies me and I check spell and target then use or don't

But it'd be nice if it only said when it's on me lol

Which the WA looks like it does so I'm extra confused

[sleek meadow]

He should but isnt

Weird cause everything looks fine here. Player/unit info is tracking the cast. And it need to target you. So its definitly some plater issue.

[molten gorge]

Try turning it off ig and see what happens

If you figure it out, @ me 🙏

Will try some stuff tomorrow myself otherwise

[sleek meadow]

Omw to mists, i'll try it with a friend

[bronze wraith]

Do flat damage reduction amounts stack?

Like if trinkets give reduce damage by x amount, would 2 stack

[graceful kite]

Yes why not

[lusty grotto]

yes they should stack, too bad the trinkets with flat reduction suck dick

the trinket*

also unique so you cant use 2

[sleek meadow]

Its not plater

[waxen frigate]

You can’t wear 2 of the same item in most cases other than weapons. And many weapons still are unique equipped

[sour crow]

Hey guys, first xpac where I play prot warrior. With my guild we're currently working on HM and we're a bit stuck on Ovi'nax. That bug and her fellow spiders hit me like a truck and that made me really realize that I have some issues on my priority on defensives, and more importantly on how effectively I spend my rage. I often try to dump it all in IP as I tend to cap quickly but not really sure if that's always the right thing to do, especially since I may miss on SS proc from revenge spender. If I were to put today's logs, could someone point me out what's really blatant what my issues are?

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs

you need to keep SB up

ip is not your main mitigation

use IP only when you have more than 70 rage

as a way to not overcap

what do you mean revenge spender

[sour crow]

https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YTpGKP4Rrk2CM9Vb#fight=36&type=summary For example, for the last pull
I'm about 88% SB uptime

[lusty grotto]

SS/TB > TC > Revenge/Exe

revenge proc does not matter, its always last prio

since youre Thane

am i crazy? did they remove the translate button?

[sour crow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YTpGKP4Rrk2CM9Vb#fight=36&type=auras&target=13&translate=true

Maybe liek this would be better

[bronze wraith]

Yeah, but there is a delve trinket that does flat x reduction and a swarmglabd trinket that gives a devuff that does the same thing. You could technically have 58k damage reduction per instance of damage

[sour crow]

I meant using revenge to get some SS proc

[lusty grotto]

i see

[lusty grotto]

should stack then, but thats not a whole lot

58k is nothing in TWW

[lusty grotto]

Vicious Bite is spell blockable

you spell blocked 25%

[sour crow]

... Why? How?

[waxen frigate]

Usually those are pre-mitigation (I’ve seen a lot of conflicting stuff about it though)

[lusty grotto]

read the reflect sheet in #protection-faq

[waxen frigate]

And premitigation = bad

[lusty grotto]

yeah

nish is correct

your base blocking is good Kevin

just gotta use proper mit

just rotate between spell block

and wall when its down

everything is nature damage pretty much

so spell reflect also helps

spideys that last long will kill any tank regardless, but i doubt thats your issue

[tribal wharf]

what do u guys do if u recieve BOE recipes while in a key for a proffession u dont have

[lusty grotto]

parasites > __spiders __> worms

always

[sour crow]

So just to be clear, when you say it's blocable, you mean I should use Spell block more? I do agree that I wasn't using it too much because nothing looked like a spell in this encounter, and just using reflection for the magic mitigation overall

[lusty grotto]

thats the prio

[lusty grotto]

use it for vicious bite

everything is nature damage

[tribal wharf]

i had cursed ring drop and give it to them, apparently its worth 10k but it was no good to me other than gold

[lusty grotto]

go through your journal

the fight only has melee as physical

every single type of damage

is nature or shadow

spell block is your friend, but use it on Vicious Bite

[sour crow]

OK yeah I see. And I assume we don't care about blocking Volatile concoction because the main thing that's annoying about it is the debuff, correct?

[lusty grotto]

well

thats just raid damage

if youre full health, the damage it does to you should be irrelevant

and often times it should be irrelevant regardless, unless if youre extremely low

[sour crow]

Yeah, we still have a lot to do as a group for that 👀 it feels weird to be healer dependant when switching from BDK to prot war

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt feel healer dependant

with proper play

but 2nd week heroic without gear can also add to that

most imporantly, proper cd usage will help a lot

[sour crow]

Yeah and also still discovering the strat as we go, there's always room for mistakes in that part

But thank you very much for your input and advices 😄

[waxen frigate]

vendor? idk, doesnt matter

[tribal wharf]

oh god its sending me back to dawn breaker

i wonder if they use it or its just loot vultures immediately AH it

dont care really lol

sometimes i cant sell them,

[tropic tangle]

it is depressing trying to get pugs to do h kyveza

[waxen frigate]

the whole raid is just a nightmare to pug seemingly

they went really tough on it

[tropic tangle]

first four is cake so long as you have people who follow their tank on bloodbound

I haven't found a group yet that is doing kyveza well

[bronze wraith]

It is great versus magic,dots and bleeds which we struggle with isn't it?

[strong forum]

Swarmgland has potential to be extremely strong yes

But so far I've not seen a situation where dots are of any danger

[waxen frigate]

swarmlord's authority just goes so hard i dunno, other tank trinks seem very underwhelming in comparison

[strong forum]

Haven't found use for that trinket

As its only trickle absorb

And we already don't lose hp

Maybe in +12 it can do something in pulls

[waxen frigate]

its not as good on pwarr

but the on-use gives something like a 3-4mil IP pool

[strong forum]

But vs dangerous busters it's quite shitty

[strong forum]

[waxen frigate]

12 * 273850 (on my monk, so tooltip may vary naturally)

[strong forum]

I've not bothered to use it yet cuzi don't wanna lose dmg

[waxen frigate]

ya it does zdps

and i think it's another scarab per 9 or 10% haste on-use

so if your pwarr has like 20% 14 * whatever

[strong forum]

In packs im closer to 40% haste but yeh

Dunno maybe if I touch a +12 I might try it

[waxen frigate]

mine is like 580 so had no idea

monk is big tho

[strong forum]

Grats I still rock a 590 shield and 606 neck rings and weapon

[tribal wharf]

I got 593 leech sheild

[strong forum]

Fucking

[waxen frigate]

ive gotten lucky with loot other people didnt need

[tribal wharf]

crit haste

[tribal wharf]

no complain by yogi on shield

probably craft it

adv but im not complain

[urban portal]

Is that right?

The wording makes me think the scarabs on the active only does damage and has no defensive value

[tribal wharf]

even still, its like a 2.... ish million absorb?

weird trinket, someone needs to do science with it and report back

[waxen frigate]

yeah people keep getting confused by that

but thats how it works

[urban portal]

Got it

Yeah that seems like a lot of absorb for a trinket that does damage

[strong forum]

It doesn't do dmg

[waxen frigate]

yeah it basically does zero dmg

lmao

[strong forum]

Like 0.1% dmg

[waxen frigate]

but that's shortly after using the active in combat

[urban portal]

Ah

Yeah

[waxen frigate]

(it ate some dmg so it's lower than it would've been immediately after)

[tribal wharf]

damn, i have to go back to amirdrissall some point for the tree boss, i want the fire hearthstone for fire transmog

[keen plank]

Fire hearthstone was from Larodar, the Cenarius lookalike guy.

[lusty grotto]

@waxen frigate i need a mog check

its a shitty mog though

[waxen frigate]

send

prob better than a kanga mog

[waxen frigate]

4

[lusty grotto]

ok ok

for real

[waxen frigate]

the tabard sucks

[lusty grotto]

no no hold up

this one is the real non-meme one

1 sec im logging on

mage tower weapons to fit

what say you, the popular opinion is that its S tier

[waxen frigate]

shield and weapons suck ass

dont fit at all

boots either

the rest good

[lusty grotto]

true

boots suck ass

[bronze wraith]

My meter has that trinket as 20% of my mitigation. It is 2/3rds what my ignore pain does

[bleak breach]

Hey Nim, do you have a character called nimlock or nimwarlock?

[lusty grotto]

uhh undeadchip i think

[bleak breach]

Ahh okay, just got a request for a key from one of those names the other day and thought it might have been you

[lusty grotto]

i havent been doing keys on alts

should do 1 or 2 on paladin but idk if ill have time

[hearty stump]

Is there any trick to dealing with Singing Steel in Siege? Those rogues absolutely truck in 10.

[valid bridge]

Yo is there a weekly limit on bountiful delves or something? I dont know why my bountiful icon is red right now in this delve

[tribal wharf]

siege still sucks ya

[grizzled chasm]

does anyone know what causes this explosion on Dawnbreaker? it happens every time and this time it killed people so idk if I'm doing something wrong

[grizzled chasm]

It's not bad honestly

the 2nd boss can be a pain

but if u just be patient it's a pretty easy dungeon imo

[stark helm]

when beam starts it does big damage to the tank and a bit less to everyone else

[grizzled chasm]

Do I just move out of the group?

and press SR or smt

[stark helm]

it just hits everyone regardless

[grizzled chasm]

Oh rip

[stark helm]

yea its dumb

[grizzled chasm]

thats

lol that's silly

well healer issue ig then

xdd

[civic torrent]

We bailed on a 10 dawn last night because we thought this was bugged

It's very weird that's it's a tank buster too

[sterile bough]

did they fix our cheat death? havent played since s1 df but remember it was garbage back then

[pastel siren]

Hey Guys, do you have a guide to mythic Dungeon Tools and the Routes you can import?

Where i can find them?

[opal drum]

So i read we use IP at ~70 rage, but i could not find an explanation. Why not at 40 or 50 or 80? I dont know, someone can explain this to me?

[stark helm]

its to not overcap on rage

[sterile bough]

its so you can keep spamming revenge, but if u dying u use it quite simple

[grizzled chasm]

I’d be interested to know cause I’m finding mobs are just shredding my IP so I have it bound to shield slam

I only press revenge when it procs

[sterile bough]

also other stuff like shield block

ye revenge is not used so much these days

esp with the thunder clap

[grizzled chasm]

Yeah

I feel like sacrificing a little damage to feel a lot more tank esp at this stage of the season is a worthy trade off

[sterile bough]

huh?

how come

[grizzled chasm]

I just like being alive

[sterile bough]

i feel pretty tanky

just unable to get my health up

but seriously tho ur talents dont even matter that much until currently high keys

[grizzled chasm]

I was running steadfast as the peaks instead of keep your feet on the ground and it made a huge difference swapping I felt

But the step up from 9s to 10s feels really big

[mighty valley]

do not do this!!!

[grizzled chasm]

I do it

[sterile bough]

thats pretty bad tho

[mighty valley]

you want to keep rage in the tank so you can make sure every single gcd is filled

so you get more shield slams and more total rage

if you’re sitting not pressing anything because your macros automatically spent all your rage

[sterile bough]

image you have 2 sec on your sheild block left and 10 rage, you press shield slam and then u are fucked legit just dead

[mighty valley]

your whole rage economy is fucked

[grizzled chasm]

I manage

Somehow

[mighty valley]

well

you could manage better

[grizzled chasm]

I mean I’m not even dying in 10s

So it’s pretty chill

[simple drum]

I macro ignore pain to Spell Block

[waxen frigate]

cry

🙂

[frozen lava]

is colosus viable in high keys or too squishy?

[waxen frigate]

it is a much higher skill floor/ceiling

[sterile bough]

every season every time I check any tank discord you are typing there at the same moment HOW AND WHY

[waxen frigate]

autism

[sterile bough]

do you evne do keys at this point

[frozen lava]

riiip I like the spec so much better

[waxen frigate]

im raiding rn actually

[smoky anvil]

If you’re not shitpostmaxxing while playing you’re not trying.

[waxen frigate]

^

real and true

until you shitpost too close to the sun and get banned from HoW

but im unbanned now so its ok

[robust urchin]

I remember my first time getting banned there

[waxen frigate]

i posted a fake tier list in ret channel

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-member-memberberries-south-park-i-remember-oh-yeah-gif-20408218

[robust urchin]

Ret channel is defo the easiest one to get banned in

Holy is almost impossible because they don't really care

Haven't tried prot yet but I'm sure it's possible

[brittle dust]

Ok, so, I'm struggling on the last boss of GB. I feel like I can't live and I can't do anything to help with tentacles. It's getting pretty rough. Anyone got advice?

We are holding on adds because the pulsing aoe slaps after killing them but they're eating me alive lol.

[lucid nimbus]

What level key?

[brittle dust]

9

[lucid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

Best i can say is go defensive trinkets 😂

[frozen lava]

😆

[lucid nimbus]

Maybe take a dk for the AMS

[brittle dust]

needed the 69 deaths buff.

And to also just play better

[waxen frigate]

help with tentacles?

🤔

[mellow quartz]

you know you will have a good time when this is the start of your key

kept going

[simple drum]

Great name though

[ebon sandal]

Our guild decided to 1 tank kyveza on mythic and let us practice 1 tanking on heroic. How do I 1 tank kyveza as prot warrior?

[mellow quartz]

look at Scott from Liquid and copy what he did

[strange gazelle]

is it possible to get enough haste to have shield block recharge go to 11/12 seconds?

without lust?

[mellow quartz]

why are you looking at 11-12s specifically?

[strange gazelle]

i just didnt know how low it could go so i threw out numbers

[mellow quartz]

if you want to swap from HR to ITF then 35%+ haste probably

[strange gazelle]

sorry im new to prot what is HR/ITF?

[mellow quartz]

if you play HR+ED+ champions bulwark you wont have SB uptime issues

heavy repercussions and into the fray

take those 3 and you are fine on SB uptime

[waxen frigate]

gquit

[twilit burrow]

Any advice for tanking H ansurek?

[strange gazelle]

cool! i will change it i was having a hard time finding it thanks very much!

[twilit burrow]

Dealing with feast/putrify

[strange gazelle]

is there any reason to go ITF VS HR?

or is HR more defensive vs ITF which appears to be a more overall offensive style

[mellow quartz]

ITF is more dps as you gain 8% more haste from stats

but you need a ton of haste to keep your SB uptime without HR

[static pumice]

if i dont have access to mythic raid, should i craft weapon or shield first with gilded ? focusing on m+

[mighty valley]

shield is the most important defensive item by far

[strange gazelle]

So more ideal to go HR till i max out on gear it sounds like thanks!

[static pumice]

yeah i feels, still using 590 shield never got lucky with the drops ;_;

[twilit burrow]

Any advice for tanking H ansurek?
Dealing with feast/putrify

[static pumice]

thanks

[bleak breach]

Def stance + cds for buster so you get a much lower heal absorb. Instantly impending victory once you have absorb.

[gloomy silo]

Why is spare meat hook our best trinket from m+?

It just does underwhelming damage to 1 target every 2 min

[mellow quartz]

probably isnt anymore

not sure if wowhead trinkets has been updated post nerf

[gloomy silo]

Makes sense

[sonic crown]

is there an optimal route guide?

[gloomy silo]

Doorki has great routes for every dungeon on Wago

[finite mango]

Feast, have shield block and shield wall. Putrify use shield block, spell reflect, shield wall. I play double shield wall for it and it's up for every single tank buster. You can play spell block if you want but it's only up for 2 uses in phase one so I don't use it

I play colossus too so using that in between cds ( or just use it on cd) smooths a ton of damage

[fluid shard]

eyyyy first time i get ksm this early!

grim batol butt clench to cap this off

[bleak breach]

What fights in raid are you guys running d stance for?

[sonic crown]

whats wago?

[fast brook]

Grats!

[final mauve]

Hi, about to craft the pvp sword for prot, what embelishment is good for it?

[drifting fable]

wago.io, website for support with WeakAuras

[proud dock]

NW 1st boss the retch is 1tapping people in a 7? even with defensives? my dps are getting 1 shot

[wooden widget]

do you guys think execute should extend shield block

[neon elk]

Intervene it

If it hits more than who is it targeted on then thats om them, but u can intervene every single one of them making it do 0 dmg

[tulip oar]

So a second shield slam that costs rage?

[turbid shuttle]

boss had 10 stack of affix

the damage was just obsidian beam, which does big tank dam. but it happened to fast you couldn't react bc of the 10 stack affix. not sure if the haste from affix causes ability to do more dam, but I wouldn't be super surprised

[proud dock]

this is a hack

lol they took 0 dmg

[turbid shuttle]

as for why she had 10 stack affix, there seems to be some bug on dawnbreaker boat where it spawns in nowhere land. I've definitely seen her get 10 stack out of nowhere

[neon elk]

Yap, its a war niche and its super nice to do there .
Just like 2nd boss in boralus if u play TC slow and have nothing else in group, but its not as inportant there as NV

[turbid shuttle]

looking more closely, at least 1 of the people that died were standing in the beam and it 1 tapped them. haste buff made it go off so fast they couldn't react. I can't find the other person so not sure there.

[proud dock]

damn thats so cool i dont remember that

[harsh bobcat]

So Ara Kara last boss bugs out if you leap directly in a puddle? Known issue? Took me 3 wipes to realize thats what was causing it…doesnt spawn a blob to interrupt and you stay rooted

[south zealot]

is your guild porgging that fight this week/next week

if not tell them to bring a second tank in bc theyre stupid as fuck

[waxen cradle]

Hey fellas do we lean heavy on crit for embellishments for crafted that is what I tend to craft towards ?

[tropic tangle]

had something similar happen that bricked my key, but couldn't reproduce it, leaping in worked other times

[lusty grotto]

lol dude

does it surprise you

people mirroring liquid without understanding

[south zealot]

no but this is one i would assume people wouldnt copy

just bc of how insane of an idea it is

[lusty grotto]

youre not wrong

it took me a second

i was like

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

and then i remembered its that time again where people do/spec/equip whatever top players are doing without understanding shit

en masse

[lusty grotto]

sim angle

whichever sims best

if youre talking about dawn/dusk

idk about the other ones

i know lens is ST preferred

[dry wraith]

How often do we revenge? Only with proc or when we have no thunderclap/shield slam?

[lusty grotto]

the latter

the proc doesnt matter

its still lowest prio

proc only matters as Colossus, but not as Thane

[sonic crown]

aight so does this spreadsheat mean i shouldnt spam shieldblock in all of dawnbreaker?

cuz nothing is blockable?

or do i still spam it for basic autos?

[fair linden]

anyone else feel like shield charge is over rated in m+? I feel like it is a pretty much waste of 2 talent points

[south zealot]

why

what else are you gonna take

[orchid gulch]

You keep shield block up since it also increases your shield slam damage by 30%.

And we currently have easy access to spell block anyways, so a lot of things are blockable still.

[hearty stump]

💀

[mighty valley]

yes you want it up for basic melees

[tender reef]

Massive rage and thread generator plus stun, I like it way more now.

How do you deal with rage generation?

[fair linden]

What i'm currentlyu running. I don't have a problem with shield block uptime

[ionic fern]

[orchid gulch]

This is certainly a build.

[fair linden]

keys are spooky im too scared to give up enduring alacrity

also i drop spell block for like half the dungeons for bolster 🙂

[ionic fern]

You can do what you want,your playtime. That said,that build is suboptimal. BSV,Defenders Aegis and Disrupting Shout are all viabel,but VERY nieche choices.

Shield Charge will provide you more damage and rage,not only SB up-time.

[south zealot]

you always take that

defenders aegis is a very bad talent

if you really want bsv, you do have to drop shield charge but you dont really want to ever drop shield charge bc its big dam

[orchid gulch]

Depends on how much you value back to back shield walls, I guess.

[fair linden]

I feel like i need shield wall on a lot of packs to live... fortified hurts

[south zealot]

its less shield wall uptime than the other shield wall talent

[fair linden]

Yah ill go back to trying it and see how it feels. I haven't really used it for the past 20 keys. A lot of the "optional talents" like disrupting shout feel way to useful to give up though

BSV also doesn't feel very optional on higher keys but maybe im just bad idk

[orchid gulch]

They're optional because usually you have a group that can fulfill that niche and they're not required per se so you can take other things with a higher value.

It depends on you group though. If you're running with 4 monkeys who unbound their interrupt, things like disrupting shout gain in value.

[dusk sand]

#ui-addons-manager message

pls

[fair linden]

its a required talent for me then lmao

[old flame]

I'm having a lot of trouble with the first boss in siege, am I doing something wrong? My healer keeps getting 1 shot. And the boss is also randomly pulling early (that's a separate issue)

[orchid gulch]

Horde or alliance?

They're different bosses in both instances, and I don't know how the horde one works, or if it is the same for that matter.

[old flame]

They should be the same boss

Pretty sure the only change was where we started

[fair linden]

Whatever you do, don't try to LoS the raider in the pack before the first boss. He'll yoink your whole group from across the map

[old flame]

No, that's not what's a problem

[fair linden]

I've had issues with a couple arcane mages early pulling the boss too. You can reset by running back out if you need

[old flame]

Boss just pulls when you pull that first pack for some reason unless you pull that pack back

[clever dawn]

Dont forget that it does massive Dmg and stun a Caster for the start of a scary Pull. Intimidating Shout, Avatar, Spear, Clap, Shieldcharge, Clap can easy do 2,5mil Burst on a pack of 5-6mobs.

[fair linden]

is it better to use it inside champion spear?

[old flame]

Why would you use intimidating shout on pull that's odd

[orchid gulch]

Then it's probably because people throw AOE around; you don't rank tye boss, you grab the adds. The elite adds have an arena wide cleave, the noss fixates a random player and chases them. They gave yo lure him into a bomb, which disorients him and resets the fixates.

Also, ranged should not stay too far away, he yoinks the group in, and if you're too far away he will already be casting his big slam(tm) and end you on landing, kinda like flying with Boeing.

TL;DR, pick up adds don't stand in bads

[clever dawn]

Dmg reduction while gathering and Dmg buff for the burst. CD is so Short Anyway. Works prett well on 9/10s that way

[old flame]

I know how that boss works, plenty of nightmares from back in BFA. He's still the same

[old flame]

Oh you meant demo shout

[clever dawn]

Ah yes MB, Long Night and german Client haha

[old flame]

Intimidating is a fear/stop

[orchid gulch]

Yes, so there's nothing to do then, if the healer is getting one-shot it's mostly not your fault on this one.

Unless you didn't pick up the add.

[fair linden]

ive seen the first boss randomly slap melee or a healer but idk if thats a bug or not

[old flame]

Nah, had all the adds coralled, I even intervened him

Still dead

Did it on a 5 and that didn't kill him

Might be a straight HP issue

[orchid gulch]

That'd be a bug, he should always be in a fixate state. He might get a whack out before casting his fixate, but he's not really supposed to.

[wintry nymph]

How do people even play like this? (main tank from the pug i did)

[orchid gulch]

Usually they're floor inspectors.

[old flame]

Healers

[wintry nymph]

its insane to me

to not know the absolute basic of the spec

[old flame]

There's a LOT of bad tanks out there

[wintry nymph]

yeah

[old flame]

And they're usually a GM or just trade on the fact that we're in demand

[wintry nymph]

mans logs

not as bad as i expected

ngl

[orchid gulch]

Another part might be that some bombs went off. Are you jumping on the bombs to explode them if they're about to time out, so the entire damage doesn't come in at once?

[fair linden]

That would probably kill the whole group not just the healer

[old flame]

We got pulled in and just the healer died

[orchid gulch]

Depends on the gear.

[old flame]

So it wasn't all of us, and there were 2 mages

Mages are made of paper

[orchid gulch]

Then he was too far away, and flew with Boeing.

[old flame]

Hmmm

Okay

So close but not too close

[orchid gulch]

You can be too far away from the boss and he will start his smack before you land, so you can't get away in time.

[old flame]

Travel time, got it

Thanks that clears up the issue I think

[rigid hull]

anyone runs this talent?

i guess most of players take spellboock and bloodsurge?

[jagged pier]

no most players dont take blodbourne

[orchid gulch]

Depends on which build you're using. This is mostly padding.

[trim condor]

Not everytime. I had in +7 without fixate and he was smacking me And every melee had mini knockback. We didnt have single add or bomb

[desert wind]

We have any colossus players around? Thought about swapping from thane for lower lvl keys for the dam

[orchid gulch]

As said, he's not supposed to, but sometimes does anyways, as with pretty much anything that has a miniscule gap between casts.

[trim condor]

This was constant, but felt faster than dealing with adds/bombs haha

[orchid gulch]

Never really had the issue, to be fair. Usually he just started his casting.

Anyhow, should just have his aggro regardless so those mobs don't kill a random melee anyways.

[trim condor]

We had fixate on pull, somebody stepped in all bombsAnd since then, he just meleed. Maybe Its reproducible, this bug.

[orchid gulch]

Rather sounds like it broke the sequence, to be fair.

[tulip surge]

Hello my fellow prot warrior, I'm new to tanking after beginning the season in the fury tier, i want to more into protection, I looked in the wowhead and was wondering something about the stats, is more haste and CRIT only good for damage and if I want a lot of survivability should I go more into mastery and vers ?

[merry sluice]

yeah weird thing that can happen if someone is immediatel yin melee right when he swaps focus , and i think if someone combat drops too, noticed that for a while... what's a beta. he doesnt need to be tanked, but do establish threat to avoid that happening anywyas

[lusty grotto]

its good for both

all stats have both defensive and offensive value

hover over them in-game to see why

the priority stays as is in the wowhead page

again, for both offensive and defensive value

[tulip surge]

Okay, was just wondering, thank you 🙂

[outer hamlet]

What's the typical uptime on the Dawnthread/Duskthread linings while tanking keys?

You'd think even with smooth damage and mitigation usage, being above 80% health consistently wouldn't happen enough to warrant this; but the guides list it as one of the best.

Just curious of some people's uptimes in higher keys.

[jagged pier]

high

[outer hamlet]

Prot warrior does feel like a brick right now, so I guess I'm not very surprised. Buff is just gone once you drop under 80% right? And comes back immediately when exceeding 80%?

[jagged pier]

yes

[strong forum]

Kinda nto worth to play bloodborne as thane as its barely a dps gain

[shrewd ore]

this was just in a 10 city

[outer hamlet]

Wow yeah it's a big uptime. And I was just looking at some logs with the double damage proc embellishment; it's kind of shit. Was only 1% overall damage.

[shrewd ore]

at 60% it sims pretty much equal to ascension

[outer hamlet]

Probably get more damage just from the vers/crit from the linings.

[shrewd ore]

yea I am using crit, but I'd guess versa might be better for just little bit more odds to stay above 80

[outer hamlet]

It's what I was thinking too.

[jagged pier]

vers is used in the 'bis' gear list because all the ieces have like haste crit

so having vers will do more

but its upto u and your char really so sim

[outer hamlet]

Yeah I will sim it and factor in how much real mitigation the Vers gives vs. the crit benefit.

Weigh them.

Thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback.

[shrewd ore]

ye for me it simmed nearly the same and secondaries are rly close, even tho i already have pretty great stats, like 14k/15k/3k/1k crit/haste/vers/mast

[edgy bone]

@strong forum When can I swap to into the fray instead of heavy repurcussions?

[strong forum]

I'm currently still running ITF cuz keys are easy

But once pulls get bigger and mobs live longer

Especially bosses, HR will see more use

But not before 12s imo

[edgy bone]

Ok ty

[strong forum]

I also have like 14k haste on rn + the haste affix help cover some gaps

[sand condor]

Okay so im at 610, have no real survivability issues. I feel like i can tank 10s (i tanked a 9 just fine but the dps was just..way too low.) what’s like acceptable dps across a dungeon to actually time 10s

[shrewd ore]

tank dps or dps dps

[chilly brook]

I love ending a key at 740k overall as a tank

[sand condor]

Dos dos

Dps*

Lol

[shrewd ore]

I'd say like 1.1-1.2m avg across the 3

[sand condor]

I assume ill want them over 1 mil

Okay

[shrewd ore]

depends a bit on key ofc

[sand condor]

Then i gotta yell at my boys

Ara kara?

I pull pretty unhinged timed with their cds

We still have a lot of unnecessary deaths on bosses

Which may be why they’re stuck below 1 mil

[shrewd ore]

lots of aoe pulls there, could ez pull over 1.4m in there

this was 10 city (would have been timed if not for 1 wipe)

[sand condor]

What dungeon what th

Oh

Typically i gotta yell at them to interrupt a ranged caster in

😔

[shrewd ore]

thats a classic

and the one time at the start of the pull where ur reflecting first cast

[sand condor]

But also. We run Frost dk/ Fury / Marksmanship / Resto Sham

[shrewd ore]

they all kick

[sand condor]

YEP

it hurts ny soul

Is there a w/a that tells them not to kick

[merry sluice]

the pug experience for me
ill watch dps never fucking kick all pack

about to reflect, even have the wa to shout it

ret's first kick by the third boss

:>

[shrewd ore]

I just added a /say to my reflect WA "Reflecting"

maybe it helps idk

[tulip surge]

As a former dps, we are stupid

[chilly brook]

Bro fucking Brewmaster slaps

[sand condor]

Look im not great, maybe once in shadowlands/bfa. But man

It gets a little tiring in raid too

I..consistently out dps like 3 or 4 of our dps

Yes, i run tge colossus execute build when I can

But man…just dont die and press buttons please

[merry sluice]

sorry, you said run ahead of the tank and pull in 2 gatekeepers, then complain about the tank's route and say its shit for going over %?

[shrewd ore]

We were on time in that city key and then s1 got the great idea to run into last room and pull both trash mobs

ded

[sand condor]

Unluxky

[merry sluice]

so i had one where i was pulling up to slimes to start boss rp, and all the while, unbeknownst to me. healer gets knocked back by the big boy and somehow in his knockback

he got SO TURNED AROUND

he ran the OPPOSITE SIDE

and pulled the entire other half, up into boss room and died

dont even fucking ask me how

[sand condor]

Lmaooooo

Nah thats unreal

[merry sluice]

dw

same pug healer also let the dps die on third boss bc they sat with the heal absorb and at 45% hp for like

half a minute

and all the while i hear my guildie in vc dying inside

[violet ginkgo]

Question with raid. If we have chance to intervene and give that absorb magic shield to healer/dps where there is some magic damage going, should we try to do it on cooldown? assuming we are not tanking boss currently or boss doing mech which is not need to be tanked.

[orchid gulch]

It's around 500k. If you can fit it in, sure, if you can charge back for more rage, sure, if it saves someone's behind, definitely.

If you want to parse, no, as in that case you'd be quite GCD capped already.

[spark cedar]

Saved a dps on princess heroic a couple of times which resulted in us killingit, so depends how tight it is.

[orchid gulch]

It's a bit niche.

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah my question related to princess heroic too actually.

[shrewd ore]

intervene is off gcd, you can just intervene a melee on cd basically if you want (probs better while ur not actively tanking)

[spark cedar]

That boss is the only time I was doing it tbh

[violet ginkgo]

And no Ise, at this point I prefer to clear the boss first rather than parsing.

[orchid gulch]

Just listed different use cases.

It's still 500k magic absorb, if you don't wipe the raid with it and achieve your goals in the raid, just do the intervene.

[proper roost]

💀

[strong forum]

Beeg pusher

[strong forum]

I do it pretty much on cd in keys

For example

Mostly on healer

[urban portal]

Reprisal is so back

[strong forum]

Ngl sometimes when I do have block downtime I can feel the urge to intervene someone for block

💀

[maiden nimbus]

For the first boss in stonevaults in higher keys, how do you handle breaking the rocks?

3 stacks was pretty rough on our healer every time

[strong forum]

Dunno

We just broke 3 every time in our +10

You just rotate group cds and personals for higher keys ig

Or maybe only break 2, then run into a spike instead of breaking it, or let the big clap break some of them

[neon elk]

Break 2 and then let boss destroy 3rd alone ? Seems like ez way to do when healer cant handle it

[proud heart]

this was a NW 10, can anyone tell me if im pressing too much revenge or its looking alright?

[sweet summit]

a log would be a bit better

[violet ginkgo]

That thunderblasts is pumping

[blazing condor]

yeah pull out the log

details is a bit iffy

[worn estuary]

hey, you guys got a pretty advice on how to maximize selfheal and sustain? my friend told me in grim batol 5 im paper and he had to heal me alot.. though i dont have a log from this dungeon. i had around 77% ignore pain uptime. My selfheal was about 240k overall

[jagged pier]

warrior doesnt self heal we mitigate

if your squishy its likely u are playing incorrectly

but cant tell without logs

[blazing condor]

mitigation comes primarily from shield block so you wanna look at that

IP isn't what you focus on looking at

and as jakey said we dont self heal a lot we just dont take as much damage if played correctly

[robust urchin]

Can I join your unemployed pushing group too? 🥺 I'm like super NEET I swear

[worn estuary]

i think im gonna log the next few dungeons and see what usage this has aswell.. i feel like im reusing it in pull when im at 2-3 seconds left. but i might forget this. Thank you all

[blazing condor]

logging is the way

become the logchamp

[strong forum]

Looks to be a bit too much thunderblast and thunderclap

[ionic fern]

We did 2-2 in a 10, was semi-chill.

[graceful kite]

100% uptime on shield block in packs, always rotate defensives and use ignore pain to not cap rage

warrior is press everything on cooldown but rotate between shield wall spell block and last stand spec pretty much

[patent musk]

on city of echoes after 2nd boss, is the trash supposed to giga hurt? i did 3 packs and it was insane

[jagged pier]

well if u dont stop the casts it will hurt

[patent musk]

what casts?

i lived it on a +7 as a 593 prot, but it felt like the hardest i've ever taken damage ever

[zinc garnet]

one of the Jabs stack a phys damage taken debuff

[maiden nimbus]

okay thanks - and leave 2 up for the boss break? We powered through 3-3, but want to try a different strat for some other runs and see how it feels

[jagged pier]

thats city of threads

not echos

[patent musk]

ohh

can i dwarf the physical damage taken debuff

or have other people stop it and not recast?

[trim condor]

I didnt have problém with it yet, but maybe you can leap away And kite ? At least I do that with stonevault stacks

[graceful kite]

can relate

[trim condor]

That seems like melees after aoe stun lol

[floral trail]

in Siege of boralus second boss, do you need harmstring so he not jumps away or is thunderclap slow enough (if no other group member handles slow)

[waxen frigate]

Tc should be enough

I haven’t had any issues and I forgot hamstrung even existed

[icy ridge]

Shadowflame Slash is the big one. Lava Fist no longer returns damage @zenith monolith , it was changed so it's only a deflect now

[neon elk]

Yea thats the one , had one do like 7m in +7-8

[zenith monolith]

Thanks will update

[woeful trellis]

Do you guys have the problem that she uses the tank hit Clear the Deck, no one is behind aside you. You don’t get the hit and a range dd dies on the other side?
2nd boss siege

[tulip oar]

The frontal bug. I've seen it happen. Paladin and healer where behind the boss and both 100 to 0.

[tender reef]

How did you got with that gear in a group ? Is the real question

[patent musk]

u guys dont get into groups as 590 ilevel +7s?

[oblique pier]

hi new to prot warrior, what should i be crafting?

[graceful kite]

tc should be enough but I swear she jumped under tc debuff on 1 encounter

[tender reef]

I'm 605 and barely get in and then they don't play mechanic wipe and leave

Or blame me for not pulling enough, pull themselves die, leave

[graceful kite]

no

a lot of people playing rn including tanks

if you queue a 7 you get 5 tanks with 605-610+ ilvl in like 40 sec time

[tender reef]

I wiped in necrotic like 10+ yesterday lol

[graceful kite]

because 7s give hero track gear

[tender reef]

Yep hero gear is what everybody wants but only top 20% deserve

[molten gorge]

I mean you could finish hc week at 606 average

So makes sense people want that for 7+

[graceful kite]

its not like they want it

[tender reef]

Yeah with a raidguild

[graceful kite]

they just have an option to take a person with 15 ilvl above you

[tender reef]

Oh no I mean the puggers who can't play and ruin keys then lrave

Since I'm tank it's either so or heal

Dd

[icy ridge]

I just played the first m+ key with my sham alt this morning, and without ever stepping foot in a raid (other than first lfr wing once), he's at 605 ilvl atm

[tender reef]

Link char and is this week HC week ?

[icy ridge]

I literally did nothing with the char this week other than play ONE m+ this morning

so yeah, it's hc week

for that character

[tender reef]

Pls show the char

[icy ridge]

sec

[graceful kite]

I got 0 loot on hc week

[tender reef]

I struggled hard to get to 605

[graceful kite]

Went in m+ like 598

[tender reef]

Ah yeah okay 20x delves and then vault boom 605

[graceful kite]

Got first normal tier this friday

[icy ridge]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/antonidas/Laumak

[orchid gulch]

You can comfortably delve to 600-605.

[tulip oar]

I was sub 600 ilvl when I did mists 8. But I'm so use to that place that I had zero issues.

[tender reef]

And a good group

Yeah if you stacked up on keys

If you reach 80 today you wont

[icy ridge]

rio shows him at 600 ilvl still, but in armory you can see he's 605 after I spent crests/valor this morning

[tender reef]

Yeah omen crafted weapon 😉 did you do bt? Sounds like a raid to me

[patent musk]

my main is almost 2.5k and got title, i guess people know that i am an alt

[icy ridge]

bro bt is not a raid, it's stand afk for 5 min and return the quest

seriously, that's your argument? timewalking illidan skipgroup is a raid?

[graceful kite]

Did they nerf dawnbreaker trash or something

[icy ridge]

and omen crafted weapon you get from the quest line, I did the story mode queen

also not something I consider "raiding"

[tender reef]

Oh damn I should do that then

Didn't know that

[graceful kite]

Shadowpacks in church were slapping my group in 9s but in 10 they did literally 0 damage

[icy ridge]

well you get an enchanted runed crest from the questline, so you can craft a 619, but it will cost some amount of gold if you want 619

[tender reef]

To be fair I did like 20 m+ and got 1 ring with +3 ilvl upgrade and 1x belt with +3 I lvl upgrade

[icy ridge]

because q3 mats are still expensive

[tender reef]

Kinda unlucky

[graceful kite]

You can do with half rank 2 mats

I actually leveled a weaponsmithing alt because its cheaper

You can do fully stacked r5 craft with rank 3 main mat like sanctified alloy and rank 2 other mat

Like 30k cheaper

[icy ridge]

for shield I struggled to find a good crafter, but it's Monday morning so not many ppl online

shield with missive and embellishment, that is

[graceful kite]

Yea shield was a nightmare to find

[icy ridge]

on my shammy it's only 606, that was ok, but for my warri I needed 619

[graceful kite]

It helped me to just type myself in chat lf 619 shield craft

[inland raft]

Low volume so poor return on investment to level the craft specialization

Eventually as people have more knowledge points itll be easier

[icy ridge]

I swear, on my realm there's like 10 weaponcrafters advertising in /2 every minute, but it's so hard to find someone to build bracers or a shield or sth

[graceful kite]

I spent 25k to level and full knowledge swords

Crafted weapons for my dh shammy and gonna craft a warrior one today

Fees are usually 10-30k and require r3 mats while you can do it with r2 a lot cheaper

[icy ridge]

I could legit level blacksmithing with my warrior... now that enchanting mats drop in price so much, I don't need enchanting any more... I only used it for disenchanting and put all my knowledge into that 😄

[graceful kite]

Nah do it on an alt

[inland raft]

Ive never paid more then 2000 for a craft usually 500-1000 i just dont get impatient can always find someone eventually who will do it for whatever tip want

[graceful kite]

You can oprimize for dungeon buffs

[graceful kite]

You are very lucky

[icy ridge]

I might just go alch again just for the flask duration

[graceful kite]

I spent 300k on crafts in s1 df for my warrior

[inland raft]

Im not a world first raider so if people demand that much ill wait a week or two

[graceful kite]

Tww im in 100k for a shield

[plush brook]

Hey guys!
I've been struggling with last boss of GB at like +8. The first add-spawns overlap with a knockback - which makes it hard to gather up adds whilst not getting knocked into tentacles.
Anyone have any tips?

[graceful kite]

Weapon will cost around 40 since ill do it myself

[icy ridge]

tell DPS to not damage adds for a few seconds. you want them to live until after the big aoe anyway

if they nuke adds, the big aoe will hurt... a lot

[graceful kite]

You can save spell reflect for knockback to be safe

[inland raft]

And dps can come to you if they have aggro

[graceful kite]

People shouldnt burst adds when they spawn

[plush brook]

Wow that's really helpful advice

Thanks a bunch boys

[graceful kite]

And your group should be stacked on that fight

[icy ridge]

I always use spell reflect to clear tentacles on that fight 😄

I'll just charge after knockback

[graceful kite]

Me too

But you can save it if youre not comfident in positioning

[plush brook]

But spell-reflect only works for 1 tentacle, right?

[graceful kite]

Especially safezones are very random with tentacle density

[graceful kite]

No

[inland raft]

It is a cancer fight though, had one where the circle close halfway in the wall so couldnt spread properly

[graceful kite]

All of them for whole duration

[inland raft]

And friend told me he had one where circle was completely inaccessible

[icy ridge]

good to know, I was too much of a chicken to try 😄

and too lazy to look it up after the dungeon

[dusk sand]

crazy

[graceful kite]

I dislike that lava fist is a deflect

[icy ridge]

yeah, sucks 😦

[graceful kite]

But im lying to my group that uts a reflect and thats why they should bring me

Theyre buying it lol

[icy ridge]

it was a reflect at the start of this id

[graceful kite]

Yep

[icy ridge]

but reflecting shadowflame slash is almost as good 🙂

[silent sphinx]

trying to learn dawnbreaker , only mythic+ i havent done

should i be doing the bombs? just got flamed by a mage saying i wasn't

[jagged pier]

no

[icy ridge]

you need to stay in melee

at all times

[jagged pier]

u leave the boss it will start one shotting ppl

[silent sphinx]

alright ok thanks, also the boss with the void lazer

how are the pools placed? sometimes it spawned right on her and couldn't get her to move so the lazer was in a bad position

[icy ridge]

on 2 dps (I think it'll prefer ranged, but not 100% sure)

[silent sphinx]

so once against not my fault ._.

cool thanks!

[icy ridge]

though you can start moving as soon as she starts the cast, and it should be fine before lasers start

I have my littlewigs tell me to start moving, and it usually works

[dusk sand]

what is your overall on keys looking like? and what is the damage breakdown like? shield slam and thunder blast mostly?

[silent sphinx]

shield slam/lighting strik/thunder blast yeah

[icy ridge]

this was my 6 siege yesterday, but I'm still learning so probably I'm doing some stuff wrong still

[steel edge]

Hi guys! New to the game and want to go tanking as it looks funny! I am torn between prot warrior and blood deathkngit. I know they are very different and want to know if some of you play/played both and which one is the most fun? Good rotation, good CD etc

[icy ridge]

you might not get unbiased answers here 😄

[silent sphinx]

prot warrior or riot

[icy ridge]

mountain thane warrior is a lot of fun to play imho

[neon elk]

Dont go dk if u are new tbh

[dusk sand]

the apm is very very high

[steel edge]

Very high apm for prot warrior?

The only issue I have with prot is i heard no self healing ? So if healer sucks u die ?

[neon elk]

If healers sucks its w/e

As a bdk u are healing more than healer, if he sucks whole groups die so .. u will fall too eventualy

And as warr u take way less dmg than bdk

[icy ridge]

if healer sucks with a bdk tank, the dps die anyway

[neon elk]

Its not realy a deciding factor

[dusk sand]

the mitigation on war feels very strong

u just take less dam to begin with, so less to heal

i am learning myself currently and personally i think the learning curve is a bit steep tbh

it is fun but there is just a lot to do

[pallid quiver]

You're entirely self-sufficient if played properly outside of specific mechanics/things meant to hurt tanks

[silent sphinx]

im also new and i just discovered that health potions were a thing

grab some of those too

[pallid quiver]

If healer sucks, the DPS are gonna be dead long before you if you're playing proper

[dusk sand]

one of the worst parts about tanking

watching ur group eat pavement to avoidable frontals

[urban walrus]

Any reason not to use shield slam on any off gcd keybinds ? - I noticed shield block wasnt referenced in the macro faq?

[icy ridge]

what do you mean?

[urban walrus]

I'm not sure I understand the question?

[icy ridge]

what are you asking exactly? since shield slam isn't off gcd, I don't understand what you mean

[urban walrus]

shield slam is on the gcd so might as well be used on any off gcd keybinds, ie like the recommended faq macros for IP

my question relates to the usage of others off gcd keybinds such as shield block

[icy ridge]

I'm pretty much always gcd locked anyway, and press off-gcd abilities like IP/shield block inbetween, so macroing shield slam onto those wouldn't really do anything

[urban walrus]

you're suggesting that

 IP + SS Snipe Macro
This macro casts  Ignore Pain and  Shield Slam back to back. It is used as your regular Ignore Pain Keybind. It will automatically "snipe" Shield Slam resets from auto-attacks when you plan to dump rage. Since Shield Slam is your utmost priority button, it will save you reaction time as well as help you with the decision-making process. It's a simple yet incredibly potent macro!
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

is plainly wrong then?

Seems I have encountered a useless contributer to the discord channel

I'll restate my question for someone else.

Any reason not to use shield slam on any off gcd keybinds ? - I noticed shield block wasnt referenced in the macro faq?

[icy ridge]

wow, rude much

[jagged pier]

that isnt wrong and u can macro SS to SB ifu want but it doesnt matter how many things u macro it too it will only sipe shield slam resets u still need a SS bind

[urban walrus]

Dont take it personally its a common occurrence

[pallid quiver]

It'd serve the same purpose as slapping it on to IP, but you're more likely to press SB at the very start of a pull, so you might get that instead of something AOE for threat, and you don't press SB as often as IP

[jagged pier]

and there was absoulte 0 need to be that abrasive

[pallid quiver]

^^

Overall, it's not gonna drastically affect you as much; the IP one is the most useful just considering how often you press IP and you only having so many fingers

I play with almost all of my keybinds on my mmo mouse, personally, so I don't have the macro, since I just press SS and IP at the same time

[trim condor]

Thats kinda rng aswell, I spend 16 delve keys on my Warrior, did 20 0s week beforeAnd some keys And I was sitting as 598. Now I am 605 with 15 keys above 7 And fully spent crests for 606 champion

[urban walrus]

But if you do have a SB keybind, it makes no sense not to add shield block to it, right? - Yes I realise you use IP more than SB

[pallid quiver]

"but you're more likely to press SB at the very start of a pull, so you might get that instead of something AOE for threat"

It's also possible that doesn't happen at all, as well

It's so minor of a difference you could if you wanted

[icy ridge]

Serious question: If I press this macro while I'm on gcd currently, does this cast slam while I'm on gcd? Or does the shield slam reset ignore the gcd?

[pallid quiver]

I personally don't think it's worth the effort to even create the macro in the first place

[jagged pier]

nither

[sick sentinel]

should i macro in ravager and champions spear?

[icy ridge]

So if I ever only press IP while I'm already on gcd, this macro does nothing for me, right?

[jagged pier]

u cant

[urban walrus]

I can't see a scenario I am in melee range and dont have SB up previously and need to do aoe threat

[jagged pier]

they are both on the gcd

[sick sentinel]

ah

unfortunate

[jagged pier]

correct ish

[urban walrus]

I believe it would queue up SS

depending on your settings for spell queuing

[icy ridge]

ish? Can you explain please?

[waxen frigate]

If you mess with spell queue window you should be shot

Most placebo copium bullshit out there

Unless you’re literally playing overseas

[sick sentinel]

how about avatar and champions?

or avatar and ravager?

[jagged pier]

those cds dont line so no

[sick sentinel]

sure one of those is okay

surely*

cooldown is reduced on some of these from certain procs?

i c

dumb question from me

respecced yday

[strong forum]

Avatar on average has a 35sec cd and lasts for 20 seconds

[sick sentinel]

got it

[strong forum]

You spend more time inside avatar than outside or avatar

Trying to line things up or macro things together beyond the IP+SS macro is not a smart move

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, the random mini-avatars you can get if you're Thane

[strong forum]

You're a mini avatar

[sick sentinel]

got it

[pallid quiver]

He got me ;-;

[sick sentinel]

what about macroing IP into spells that i regularly use?

like slam, thunder clap, etc

[strong forum]

Nah

[jagged pier]

youll rage starve yourself

so no

[pallid quiver]

Time to lose all self-worth and regress to listening to early 2000s emo music to express my emotional pain

[strong forum]

Real

[jagged pier]

i do that without listening to the music

[waxen frigate]

Allow me to introduce you to emo revival

[pallid quiver]

b-but

CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLING IIIIIIIIIIN MY CRAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWL

[waxen frigate]

Erm that’s nu metal

🤓

[strong forum]

[pallid quiver]

That's not what the people I grew up with called it smh

[waxen frigate]

Give me external emoji permissions

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[waxen frigate]

You’re not even a mod

🔫

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-idgaf-gif-5730259

[fallow hinge]

how important is the 4 set for prot warrior? does it add alot of tankiness? or is it like fury where its nice to have but not really that great?

[jagged pier]

it adds nothing

[pallid quiver]

Our tier set is exceptionally eh

[strong forum]

Neither am i

[jagged pier]

like less than 2% dps and 3% dr

have fun

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but you have Orange name so special

Yellow names trash

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[molten gorge]

farmed

[strong forum]

Brown name talking

[pallid quiver]

I won't let you besmirch Jakey like that

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[waxen frigate]

Only notable tank tier is brew

[waxen frigate]

Please 🙂

[pallid quiver]

We meet on the morrow with blades, Nish.

[waxen frigate]

I won’t abuse it

[strong forum]

Bdk gets 6% dmg from it

So that's also pretty big

[waxen frigate]

True

But brew is just giga

[jagged pier]

what was it i think the brew in my guild got 50k fom 2 set i got 4k

[waxen frigate]

Too bad we still do mediocre dmg

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Yeah idk why you got a fucking 20% keg smash buff from tier

[waxen frigate]

Ya were top 3 raw Dps gains

[strong forum]

Just for the fuck of it

[waxen frigate]

Out of every spec in the game

[strong forum]

And 3% all dmg buff

[waxen frigate]

All that to do less than pwarr and bear

[pallid quiver]

They needed to encourage Brews to press Keg Smash

[waxen frigate]

Anything to get mfs to stop saying spin to win

[strong forum]

Meanwhile our set is only 5% SS and then a conditional for 10% aoe button dmg

[waxen frigate]

Ngl idk what prot set even is

[ionic fern]

[waxen frigate]

My warr is like 580

[strong forum]

SS does 5% more dmg
If SS crits, TC and revenge do 10% more dmg for 8sec

That's the 2pc and 4pc respectively

[waxen frigate]

Lmao that’s cring

[strong forum]

🙂

[waxen frigate]

Conditional shit yikes

[strong forum]

On the fucking 4pc

Just aoe rota button dmg

Like huuuuuh

[waxen frigate]

Imagine not just getting free keg smashes

(Tbh I dislike the brew set)

(But it’s strong)

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-sour-cat-cat-meme-cat-gif-4305398913986271634

[strong forum]

Atleast our hero trees are good

[waxen frigate]

Why is this cat photoshopped into a random bedroom