protection

[grim pilot]

only some dungeons hurt

[waxen frigate]

You have to play exceedingly wrong

[grim pilot]

obv all dungeons somewhat hurt but only stonevault was actually punishing, maybe gb too

[waxen frigate]

Granted most people still think SCK haha hurr durr

Terrible button that is pressed like a couple dozen times per key

And never in st

[pallid quiver]

okay but hear me out nish, i saw this near expac start

[robust urchin]

I dunno man still id rather just do my DPS stuff and not have to juggle 3 armor sets in my bags because none of the guild tanks ever wanna do m+

[dense cradle]

gb bosses kind of

truck tanks

[waxen frigate]

This just looks like someone playing pta but actually doing it relatively wel

But they’re playing pta so they’re bad

[pallid quiver]

they did not have pta

[waxen frigate]

Nvm brainrot

Also chi wave is ass

Chi burst go brrr

[robust urchin]

For the first time ever I saw a demo tank today in grim batol

Or a Colossus I guess is the right term

[cerulean tusk]

I play demo tank

its fun

[waxen frigate]

WAIT

WHERE THE FUCK IS KEG SMASH

[robust urchin]

Nah it for sure wasn't you

[pallid quiver]

he just saw

[cerulean tusk]

I do play demo tank tho :<

[pallid quiver]

iirc, he literally never pressed it at all

[robust urchin]

Sure I guess but this one was kinda shitty

[waxen frigate]

bro how the fuck did you actually play with the one guy who is literally getting zero brew CDR

what the hell

[dense cradle]

wait has brew changed

[waxen frigate]

in what way

[dense cradle]

isnt keg smash your main ability

[waxen frigate]

since when

[waxen frigate]

it was kinda ass for a lot of DF, particularly in ST, but now it's your top dmg in all target counts, maybe 2nd depending on tiger palm procs in ST

[dense cradle]

idk havent touched since SL

it used to be one of your main abilities

[waxen frigate]

9mists

[dense cradle]

to make the kit better

[pallid quiver]

Nim said he thought it was a WW main deciding to tank

Without reading anything

[waxen frigate]

our whole tier set is based on KS

[pallid quiver]

That sounded about right

[waxen frigate]

ok but you still press tiger palm in both specs

[robust urchin]

furry strike
Lmao this class I swear smh

[pallid quiver]

yeah, but because he presses it as WW, that's a DPS button

[waxen frigate]

brew is a lot different than it was in SL

we no longer play ox generally (sometimes in raid but it's like 1-2% dps just because its a mostly free talent point)

spinning crane kick is almost never used

we play blackout combo and prioritize sending combos into tiger palm in almost all target counts

this is our core offensive rotational abilities atm

ignore the terrible snipping tool job

[dense cradle]

df was the expac they started giving cross spec passives right

blackout combo

teachings of monastery from mw to ww

etc

[rich folio]

Anyone else getting their asses clapped by the guardian mobs in Mists

[robust urchin]

Oh wow you can literally play it on a telephone keyboard

[mellow quartz]

I think I have come to the conclusion that people are simply to stupid to do SOB

[waxen frigate]

combo is a brew only thing

different than ww combo strikes

[dense cradle]

fair

but bok used to be a ww/mw thing

[robust urchin]

None of the boss mechanics are really hard

Like I dunno man just run around the fountain two times

[mellow quartz]

its the trash

[robust urchin]

Yeah I know their trash tell them to play better

[mellow quartz]

on a 10 and 11 with fort people are getting almost 1 shot by a lot of mechanics and most people have no clue whats going on

just had a group where 3 people got nuked from orbit by the spotter aoe when chasing him...

[robust urchin]

Those are the people declining me for 6+ keys

Smh

[bleak breach]

6 seems to be the sweet spot where a few of these keys start getting difficult

[mellow quartz]

this dot probably needs to be tuned down a bit

[mild otter]

What kinda dps you guys doing in avg key?

I feel like maybe its trinket difference but i just suck. Having trouble breaking 500k

[mellow quartz]

depends on ilvl, key, and how big you pull and how fast things die

example abt 900k in a +10 NW at 614 ilvl

[lyric pebble]

DO you guys run into the fray or heavy repercusions?

[mellow quartz]

HR

[mild otter]

Hows that compared to sim dps

[nova stratus]

Is there a macro for impending victory that will always target the enemy closest to me. regardless of if im targeting something out of range?

[narrow patrol]

./cleartarget?

[mellow quartz]

depends on what you sim, 1, 5, 10 targets etc

[bleak breach]

Higher the key the more dps you’ll do because of sustained targets. Just varies.

I mean you can get super high dps in low keys from chain pulling too

[bronze wraith]

why is ceaseless swarmglad so good, but reinforced wax armor is so bad? they do the same thing save one does damage, but wax armor is always on

at 606, they both prevent 25491.

[zealous goblet]

hey, so lads, i've been tracking my violent outburst for awhile now, and i have just one question

how many fail shield slam resets do i allow before i settle for a tclap?

my record is 4 revenges so far plus whatever autos were done

[waxen frigate]

matters a loooot less with thane

[pallid quiver]

It's generally roughly 2, but note that sending it on Thunder Blast doesn't hurt you as much as it did sending it on T Clap

Even in ST

[daring socket]

execute>SS or no

[merry sluice]

I

do not care if danwbreaker is the easy dungeon of the season.
the fact i found a pug that could time it on a +10 after the shitshow i've seen this week, is enough for me to be thankful in some higher power.

~~bro i saw 40 deaths in CoT earlier today ~~

[woeful frigate]

Hi, how do I get 'selecting an ally on the party frame and pressing intervene' to work

[merry sluice]

Hmm? Like a mouse over or something?

[woeful frigate]

I want to select the character on the party frame and intervening them, I tried it and it doesn't work, I do have the mouseover macro

[violet ginkgo]

I think just set the cast to mouseover then you just intervene on the party frame.

no need to macro since it's in the options setting.

[woeful frigate]

Okay, I'll try that ty

[zealous goblet]

why would i be in sunken temple?

[dark cosmos]

how you pull has 10x the effect on your overall vs anything else

very easy to have 700k overall if youre always fighting 10 mobs

probably best to not overthink it

[chilly brook]

@waxen frigate BRO

this shit is vile

I don't even have tier

[violet ginkgo]

that enhancement shaman is just lazy.

he is not pressing buttons

[cold pilot]

Yo fuck Stichflesh

[merry sluice]

if its still not working, double check if you have it bound on a mouse button.
if so try moving it to another bind

[zinc marten]

guys HR or IF?

[pallid quiver]

Easy way for it atm is HR in M+, ItF for raid

The specific reasoning for that is that you can't get 100% shield block uptime without enough haste while playing ItF. You can't assure full stacks in M+ at all times, particularly bosses, so it's much harder there. On top of that, you're not always actively tanking in raid, so you can use that time frame to let your SB charges recover a bit

[zinc marten]

thank you brother

[mild otter]

Anyone wanna gimme some tips on dragon for NW?

Or just in general for snap aggro

Revenger doesn't seem to be enough because i'm GCD locked and some dps just fking blast

NW dragon is biggest offender because they're spread also

[merry sluice]

pugs or coordinated?

if ur in a coordinated group u can have someone cc-lock an add or two. and that'll quite likely be the play in big keys too.
otherwise, for snap aggro a lot of the time its jsut getting prepared a few seconds in advnace. if you have dbm or some other way to se eboss timers that's a great way to prep yourself in advance

[mighty valley]

i walk to the closest melee add, taunt the other, and hope the group knows to kick casters and then walk to you, then you can just aoe them all

if placement works out you can also leap to a mage and kick then charge back to boss

[obsidian girder]

Morning, what is the Blockchance threshold to switch from heavy Percussions to in to the fray (talking dungeons)

[merry sluice]

its not about blockchance
its about haste. once you hit enough haste to actually maintain shieldblock w/o HR.

it is impractical you'll probably get the haste for that with stats in season 1

ur prob gonna be looking at 40% haste before you should even conisder into the fray in keys

[obsidian girder]

Okay thank you

[remote viper]

worth?

holy fuck 44% uptime, yep

[sharp epoch]

does avatar affect thunder blast too?

[waxen orbit]

935k overall at the end of a ++7 NW with 605 ilvl and 1pc

[waxen orbit]

Yes

[sharp epoch]

ty

[south zealot]

insane simp comp

[high aspen]

timed 10, dont really tank often, spec is fun asf

[drifting dagger]

Very high apm and thunder blast is fun

[north aspen]

Is this shield good for war within?

[sweet summit]

a 610 shield can be an itemlevel upgrade but any other shield at 610 is better

[jagged pier]

if its your highest ilvl shield yes, if its not no

[north aspen]

Thanks"

[fervent fiber]

whats the most coffer shards you can get from a worldsoul memory

[spring cedar]

at least 1

[rain light]

300

[chilly surge]

My max was 260

[cedar karma]

So I just got this mace (chance on hit to leech 170k hp on target) and I was wondering if this is better than my 606 weapon with secondary stats. I’ve tested and the proc is about 3/4% healing at the end of the dungeon. Is ilvl still king in this situation or should I stick with my 606? Also for trinkets: is better to have a lower ilvl bis or a non bis higher ilvl ? Ty brothers

[waxen orbit]

Huh

[brave vine]

is there any particularly good delve trinket? it feels like it's all i get in there, so i have a few to choose from at 606-ish

[cedar karma]

Anyone knows? Thanks

[blazing condor]

you should sim it !

id imagine the 610 is better but might as well sim

[lusty grotto]

yes ilvl is still king

[fresh igloo]

I thought mastery was our worst stat, how come bis list show almost every item with mastery on it?

[lusty grotto]

because that doesnt mean you avoid it

all stats are good

[fresh igloo]

Neck from stonevault, isn't there any other neck with haste + anything else but mastery?

[lusty grotto]

no

thats the best dropped one

again

[fresh igloo]

Oh, alright. Thanks

[lusty grotto]

you dont avoid mastery

[shrewd ore]

only real good neck is the very rare one from the raid, but hard to get

[lusty grotto]

which is still haste mastery

[shrewd ore]

yea but 90% haste

[lusty grotto]

🤷

the question was concerning mastery

[shrewd ore]

yea ik, not disputing that

but "bis list with almost all items have mastery" is probs just a shit bis list

[lusty grotto]

so youre calling the bis list in wowhead "shit"?

[shrewd ore]

idk havent looked at it

[lusty grotto]

maybe you should since its one of our guides

[shrewd ore]

i'm doing just fine, this spec has 4 buttons, ty

[lusty grotto]

im sure you are

but if youre trying to answer, at least get the context correctly

[shrewd ore]

but the list has some worse items in it, shoulders from NW are better, same with boots from siege

spare hook listed as bis M+ trinket xd

[lusty grotto]

according to who?

[shrewd ore]

my sims

[lusty grotto]

ok then feel free to link the sims and tag Nome

[blazing condor]

i mean arent you always gonna have different top gear depending on what you already have

[shrewd ore]

depends, if you just go for pure dps

you would have 50% haste 50% crit nothing else

probs even a bit more crit

vers and mastery are just slightly weaker for dps

and e.g. wowhead bis list has haste vers boots instead of haste crit boots listed as bis

[lusty grotto]

@strong forum

[shrewd ore]

but w/e, no one looks at this shit anyways ig

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

well apparently one person does cause they were asking about it

[shrewd ore]

yea, but the neck slot confusion i can get behind tbh

it's just cause that there is no good neck this m+ season

[lusty grotto]

theres no confusion

what about last season?

[shrewd ore]

well he had a confusion

idk didnt play last season

[lusty grotto]

what was the best neck from M+?

oh

i see

[shrewd ore]

ppl see haste > crit and expect neck + rings to have haste + crit

[lusty grotto]

ill give you a hint

[shrewd ore]

yea at least that thing is better than the current high mastery one xd

[lusty grotto]

ecks dee

[full holly]

Is Prot warr stil thunder clap = win?

havent played prot since wotlk i guess

thats why im asking

[lusty grotto]

thunderclap isnt the biggest prio

but close

[sand condor]

hi gang, are the routes for m+ up anywhere?

[lusty grotto]

raider.io

[ionic nimbus]

Prot Warriors = Win

[lusty grotto]

also thunderclap = win wasnt a thing in Wotlk

more like BFA

[full holly]

i literaly just thunderclapped everyone and everything 😄

[lusty grotto]

well then you played incorrectly

because it was then as it is now SS over all

feel free to look at the rotation in wowhead

wowhead's guide, or icy veins

they'll go over it

[cedar karma]

what about trinkets? Even there ilvl > all? Is a lower lvl bis better than a non bis with higher ilvl?

[lusty grotto]

trinkets are whatever sims best

for ST: 1 patchwerk 3 mins (5 mins can work)
for M+: 5 patchwerks 1 min or 1.5 mins

[cedar karma]

can you sim tankiness?

[lusty grotto]

no

[pallid quiver]

Trinkets, and some jewelry sometimes, are generally the items that are exempt from ilvl over all due to their unique nature, providing benefits that either are exempt from increasing with primary, meaning they deal with fluctuating values based on how much stat you already have, or have unique effects that aren't just stats (damage procs, absorbs, etc)

[lusty grotto]

also theres no lesser ilvl trinket that provides a defensive option strong enough to offset the loss of primary or secondary stats

[pallid quiver]

For the record, that's also why cantrip weapons, necks, rings, and the like can be more valuable at a lower ilvl than higher ilvl stuff

[lusty grotto]

thats... not been a thing for a while Luerce

[pallid quiver]

Literally this raid

With the ring off ansurek

[lusty grotto]

yeah but thats obviously shown on a sim

[pallid quiver]

yeah, that's why all of the above you have to sim to see

Cantrip weapons, trinkets, and very rarely jewelry optimization, since secondary stat saturation can influence it if your high ilvl stuff stacks too much of one stat

[merry sluice]

wait wait what the fuck did i read while scrolling

"50% haste 50% crit"

i too love dring my secondaries to hell and back

that's the other reason

[lusty grotto]

yeah i ignored it cause

[merry sluice]

some seocndary spread is fine

[lusty grotto]

its not possible to get

[cosmic canyon]

He meant in stat distribution I reckon.

[lusty grotto]

this season

its just talking to talk

[cedar karma]

so another question from a noob warr - How good is strenght for Prot warrior? should be Stacked before haste?

[lusty grotto]

yes

which is why

ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery

or part of it

[shrewd ore]

stat distribution ofc, not value

[cedar karma]

ty guys - cheers

[lusty grotto]

or this, as is in the guide

where, mastery is not to be avoided

[dusk sand]

p new to prot - do u guys sometimes have a few seconds of missed gcd ? no buttons pressed? and also - i am having trouble with snap aoe threat, like on add phases in bosses. do u save cds for those? like rav or spear ?

[merry sluice]

even in distribution, and not raw value, ur def gonna hit a point of some secondary dipping being weighted better than sending crit even further to the moon
but that's aside the point that achieving that is impractical anyways.

Even if mastery is atrocious. The example pieces still also give your best stat too, even if it is heavy in mastery.

[lusty grotto]

what level are you

are you max level?

[dusk sand]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

what hero tree are you playing

[dusk sand]

i usualy play fury so my ilvl is ok even

thane

[lusty grotto]

hard to say

i dont feel like we have missed gcds

you have revenge when SS and TC/TB are on cd

[rich beacon]

Is there a weakaura that puts lines on the screen to better see where bloodbound horror puts the beams? Im getting trolled by my cotank

[lusty grotto]

or execute in execute range

[dusk sand]

occasionally i feel rage starved, maybe thats what im doing wrong

like im spamming ignore pain in between globals

[lusty grotto]

are you spamming IP?

[dusk sand]

ya

hard spam

[lusty grotto]

ip only above 70 rage

never below it

[dusk sand]

ok

[lusty grotto]

and remember to always keep SB up

[pallid quiver]

actually you should press at like 60 since outburst SS gives near 40 rage

[lusty grotto]

yes Luerce is right

[pallid quiver]

if you go higher, you'd overcap

[lusty grotto]

but 70 is a good starting place

[dusk sand]

it is so much more complicated than fury its insane

[lusty grotto]

then you can optimize

[pallid quiver]

It's like fury in that it seems complex, but it's actually pretty simple

[dusk sand]

fury is piss easy

but maybe cuz ive been playing for years so

[pallid quiver]

Like on Fury, rage management seems like it should be a big deal, but you actually just no thoughts head empty send revenge

er

rampage

I know my woryer spells

Rage for Prot Warrior is fairly simple; you just press IP when bar get too high, and you'll have rage for everything else you need as a result

if you press IP when bar too low, then you get times of nothing

[dusk sand]

that is my mistake for sure

i mean what else is a spender besides revenge and exe ?

[pallid quiver]

Shield Block

[dusk sand]

yes i see

[graceful kite]

not really

crushing blow has prio, execute with stacks has prio, bloodbath if less than 100 rage has prio

[pallid quiver]

That partially fits in to what I was saying

[graceful kite]

Pugs don't like brown class can't get into 10s

time to do some pugging on an alt

[pallid quiver]

You don't have to min-max rage management

You just continue follow and if it's time, it's time

You don't attempt to optimize rage management in Prot, either. If you hit above rage threshold, you press it

It's not something you actively managed; it simply gets managed

[dusk sand]

any quick general tanking tips

[molten gorge]

is the sim up to date for meat hook?

just got it but idk if it's still stonks for tanks after the nerf

[hexed onyx]

are embellishments still a risk? or is it worth taking that shot

[shy frost]

How is the skill ceiling for prot wars vs guardian druid these days?

[urban harness]

Hello for a alt prot for help mm+ with me guild what this the best embelish 2x 80% life for versa or the bulwark shield ?

[neon elk]

I would say its about equal , when playing MT vs elune , and probably similar when comparing colosus vs kity bear

[cerulean tusk]

Race is in too deep for 99% of changes, so should be safe till after it is done 👍

Only reql outliers or basically exploits will be fixed

[ornate pulsar]

Leveling prot now, just picked up the blood and thunder talent… do I even need rend on my bar?

[trim condor]

nope

[ornate pulsar]

Awesome thanks! Trying to actually learn as I go so I can maybe be decent when I max haha

[trim condor]

nps, yeah haha, rend is automatically aplied. Luckily we dont need to switch targets 😄

[indigo scaffold]

is colossus or MT better for queen hc?

[cerulean tusk]

Probably col for demo value. But doubt the diff matters

[burnt lily]

on m+ build i should sim as patchwerk or dungeon slice?

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on what info you are looking for. I prefer static Sims, for the data I decide on. So 1t or 5/8/12t - 8t is a realistic point to SIM at for AoE optimization

[tribal wharf]

i wish you could multi import, mass import of mdt routes

1 ctrl c/x 1 ctrl v 1 enter, thats all needed to download 10 routes for 6 different dungeons

[sudden wasp]

what should i craft first on my prot warrior?

[shy frost]

Thanks mate!

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on the content you are doing on the regular. But of you ain't mythic raiding, then shield is likely a good pick that will last you a while
As you can only get better from the m+ 10s vault

[sudden wasp]

sweet as cheers, yeah ill pretty much only be doing m+

[marble cipher]

I know embelishments say to use the threads, or the lens (ST), is Ascension THAT bad?
It drops out of combat which obv is annoying, but, you got 8s every time, so, in coordinated groups, I assume you'll mostly chainpul.
Though, inspacting raider.io prot warriors, I can't seem to see many running it.
Reason I ask is because I play both prot and fury, and atm I don't have the sparks to spare to craft a double set of bracers, so was looking for an easy "works for both" setup

[silent sphinx]

necrotic wake, second boss. Just had people die to beam breath attack 5 pulls in a row

am i doing something wrong? I tank him center and try to take him towards adds for cleaves

should i be on the sides?

[marble cipher]

their fault

[rich beacon]

Dont worry about it. I had people die to not even cleaving the warriors down after theyve handled the mages.

"But we handled the volley"

[silent sphinx]

new to WoW so correct me if im wrong but doesn't the boss nuke damage is there's any adds up?

[rich beacon]

Yes

[marble cipher]

unless they're hard CC'd

[silent sphinx]

even if there's 1 add up it seems to deal like 80% of dps health

[silent sphinx]

interesting, so shockwave could work?

[marble cipher]

Not 100% sure as it's not a hard cc, but, it might as long as they're "in their stun" when he explodes, which is hard for shockwave as it's a small stun

ideally it's hunter trap, monk paralysis

[winter shard]

Hey all, in NW on 2nd boss I’m struggling to get aggro quickly on the adds. I’m tanking in the corner to spawn them tight but dps rip into them before I can move, any tips? I am focusing the mages for kick

[cerulean tusk]

Just things that lock a mob from auras. Like trap, shackle, so on. Things that is coded: don't hit this

[rich beacon]

Which is tough if you are at the boss tclapping everything

[silent sphinx]

seems easier to just cleave them down

[marble cipher]

nah, you cc the mages, they spawn away from him

or, one mage

[rich beacon]

or invite a dk 😄

[winter shard]

That’s another issues, I ask priest to shackle and they never do lol

[silent sphinx]

love playing with frost DKs

[winter shard]

It makes me panic

[silent sphinx]

but yeah , its been a miserable weekend

managed to join a 4man pre made group as a tank and that was the best experience i've had so far

[winter shard]

I managed to get KSM tonight but not without the healer dying on each boss of CoT and having to be rezed twice on the final boss

[icy flax]

Cot is hard as hell

I'm about 50 io from ksm but I've been not timing keys tryna get it 😭

[cerulean tusk]

CoT so far has been one of the easier keys I done. I struggle more with Stonevault and NW

Also, gz on 2.5k score Rando

[icy flax]

It's 2k

What level cot have you done that's easy?

[tribal wharf]

hows this for routing for dawn breaker

[toxic pewter]

just got backseat tanked again during an 8 stonevault

[tribal wharf]

if you didnt directly cause a wipe screw em

or if u had SB up and blocked everything

same thing really

[toxic pewter]

No wipe we were on time too

[violet ginkgo]

Yogi is here! I need some guide with Sikran.

[tribal wharf]

so then they are complaining andies

dime a donze

[unkempt pasture]

Anyone else having issues holding threat to pumpers on M+?

[violet ginkgo]

So uh.... for sikran... anything we can do for the expose and phase lunge tank buster combo? I mean I know we are not supposed to take everything since it's 2x expose then switch. but since both attack not spellblockable then we can only rely on shield wall and D-Stance?

[frank obsidian]

Imo kyveza combo hurts more, i just ask healers for bark or smt if i dont have SW up

[tribal wharf]

raider i am not

apologies

this is a quest i am not best suited to asist you on

[harsh trellis]

Hey Valk, do you have any logs posted or live logging?

[winter shard]

Thank you! It’s 2k though, 2500 will still be a week or so ha ha

[harsh trellis]

Sikran is the most boring tank fight.

[winter shard]

If you get back seated and pinged and the run is going smoothly, you just have a bored healer or dps. They really should be thanking you for being competent but ironically they’re not competent enough to see that.

[toxic pewter]

yeah the run was going very smooth

[silent sparrow]

Could somebody help me with what I'm missing here. I'd like WA's to loop the sonar sound if I'm in combat without the Shield Block buff, but I can't find the variant of parameters to make it do that, it either makes no sound or makes sound the whole time

[harsh trellis]

You can also try #ui-addons-manager

[silent sparrow]

Thanks i'll crosspost over there

[winter shard]

I timed an 8 NW tonight with pretty decently sized pulls up front, no wipes or deaths and the healer was pinging me where the anima powers were. Dude was bored.

That’s after I had ran and got the first 2 for reference

[toxic pewter]

yeah I do find your point interesting

the irony of the mindset

[harsh trellis]

I can't stand the last boss in Ara Kara

[winter shard]

Why?

[harsh trellis]

I die every single time

nothing I can do with the webs and then the puddles

Seems like If I press any ability it gets me out of the puddles

so I get sucked in

[winter shard]

Just stormbolt or pummel the mob after she casts you instantly break free

Wait until her cast finishes then stormbolt

It will be back up for the next time

[trim condor]

is there any ddiscord group for pushing keys? I am tired of pugs, I ddidnt timee today 7 keys, because people dying on bosses left and right. Last one was stonevault, noboddyd picked up dmg increase orbs on secondd boss, third boss, healer and hunter ddied to eveery vents even tho I pinged and grabbed boss on safe one everytime...

[harsh trellis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/s/WFVKIsmDR0

^ that discord

[trim condor]

thanks!

[harsh trellis]

Which mob. I feel like im focusing the boss the entire time

I just drag her around away from the pools

[trim condor]

is it for push? I joined last time to No pressure one and it is nice for groups, but people hardly know mechanics unfornatelly

[violet ginkgo]

I think my leader post log but I want to do basic knowledge fight first as in what are my defensive option there in the fight and if Spellblock is needed on that fight.

[winter shard]

I don’t remember the name of her cast but when she starts the sucking in bit you can leap or run to a blue puddle. After she finishes the cast use stormbolt or kick the mob that is tethering you there and you’ll break free

[harsh trellis]

oh lol I think my issue is the whole... where I tank her. I am trying to be as close to a blue puddle so I can step in but her swirly is so large I still get blasted with it

[winter shard]

Don’t be in the swirly

Dps Will likely take the closest one from experience so I just leap to one out of the way

[harsh trellis]

im gonna just have to try the leap thing

Ive been in mostly ranged dps groups

[winter shard]

Depends on the mobility of your dps. If you have a DK in your party let them get the closest one and leap to another. All ranged in your group, just take the closest

[harsh trellis]

Ah gotcha, just use whatever defensives you have you can spell reflect for the phase lunge

What is your toon name?

I can look at the logs

[odd igloo]

completely new to tanking, does prot warrior have any way of reducing the recharge time on shield block? Because i dont understand how i am supposed to have really really high uptime when the ability is 13 seconds cd and its only up for 8 seconds

[night heron]

Considering crafted items are lower ilevel than max mythtrack item, is it better to craft a shield or cloak/wrists for embellishments? From what I see in-game shields give more armor and block value but wrist/cloak give more strenght+secondary stats.

[clear kestrel]

what are your thoughts on this? 26k reduced dmg doesnt seem great?

[drifting fable]

you have 2 charges of Shield Block to play with, but yes the things that will increase your SB uptime are Haste in general, Heavy Repercussions Talent, and Shield Charge which reapplies SB when talented with Champ Bulwark (which we pretty much always are)

[blazing condor]

you definitely dont need to do this but i remember in SL you could tank him in this corner and it made it much easier

oh nvm my discord didnt update so sorry for replying hours later

but it groups the mobs up and makes it easier

[silent sphinx]

cheers!

[blazing condor]

as long as the mobs die you shouldnt wipe to explosion and boss should be easy

[cedar karma]

Hey guys, is maxroll a reliable source for warriors info or wowhead/icyveins are the only kings

[proud dock]

grim last boss, can spell refl only clear 1 tent at a time? also would spell block also clear?

[drifting fable]

you can do multiple tentacles with 1 reflect iirc. not spell blockable

[proud dock]

oh sheesh thanks, i was too scared to try

[drifting fable]

theres a spell reflect/block spreadsheet in the pins, do recc that

[toxic pewter]

wait spell reflect clears tentacles? nice

[tribal wharf]

i found the breathe was obvious and the kicks was more the problem and the adds on that bone dragon boss

[harsh trellis]

what is maxroll?

[tribal wharf]

cuz theres 2 kicks, one he does, and then the adds kicks

[frosty mango]

Haven’t done much tanking this season yet, was moved to healer (rip) what type of overalls are you guys seeing in 6-8 keys

[graceful kite]

1m for dps 500-700k tank

City of threads trash before last boss is beefy af

Dungeon is actually easy tho

[frosty mango]

I’m seeing like 600-800k as prot but pugs complain I’m pulling too fast :/

Heroic leap go brr

Trying to heal warriors with > 70% shield block uptime is pain though, we need to buy a billboard or something

[graceful kite]

Haste, heavy repercussions talent makes your shield slam prolong active shield block

Got oneshot today by trash

[odd igloo]

but i see and people dont play with heavy repercussions

[graceful kite]

2 packs synced meleeswings

[odd igloo]

ig into the fray haste is just better

[graceful kite]

If you dont have shield block up you die

[drifting fable]

you will play itf when you have enough haste to keep SB up without HR

which wont be for a while afaik

[graceful kite]

Gonna be close huge hopium

I have pretty high haste already

[drifting fable]

i dont know the number you would switch at personally

[tropic tangle]

think it'll be close if you have ideal myth track gear by end of season

[graceful kite]

Reallyneed that rare raid neck

It has insane haste

[tropic tangle]

yeah

it's also a higher req than DF since it's lost 20% of it's effectiveness moving over to TWW

(itf that is)

[icy flax]

I've reached 34% haste on my vdh 🥳

[tropic tangle]

still hovering at 25-26 right now, cannot seem to get drops in dungeons for the life of me

[junior raptor]

think the 100% shield block uptime is highly overrated
It's basically not needed anywhere

[tribal wharf]

uh, well, you havent done a high key or current tier late mythic raid boss then

[junior raptor]

not late mythic raid boss no

Im mostly talking about the content 98% of the people see

[tribal wharf]

ya, and when these people talking about high keys they mean what used to be a +24 and above

where any mistake would kill you

[icy flax]

I do high keys(8 mists)

[tribal wharf]

a single spell not getting kicked could easily wipe the key

[junior raptor]

yeah but the guy is a new warrior and asking whether shield block uptime increase is better than 8% haste

[tribal wharf]

high keys they mean, whatever the highest listed is, so a 12 now

and then like a few more lvls past that

[icy flax]

Ray is on a tangent

When that's not what the guy meant

[tribal wharf]

ya, its just you need a ton of haste for ITF to equal HR

due to the nerf to itf

[junior raptor]

yeah and Im saying that the uptime of shield block being 100% is not really necesarry for most people

since you dont have physical damage on you 100%

[icy flax]

I would say it's a decent chunk though

[tropic tangle]

yeah, not sure I buy the argument. When someone new to the class is asking for advice, you should give them good advice

[junior raptor]

it's a lot of mechanics, stuns etc. Sure if you keep it up when you don't need to..

[tribal wharf]

shield block 100.0% up time.. no... shield block up time 90-99.99% yes, extremely yes, thats easy, closer you can get to 100% sb uptime the better.

[icy flax]

Stonevault last hallway mobs are constantly casting as does the boss

[tropic tangle]

and in keys, the amount of damage incoming on the tank is still majority blockable, physical damage

[tribal wharf]

try not to forget it adds 30% dmg to shield slams, this translates to more threat so pumpers dont have to worry as much when going big dps

[drifting fable]

shield block uptime gives ss damage too

not just about the blocks

[tribal wharf]

1.345m SS today

with 593 shield

[junior raptor]

yeah Im not really forgetting anything
I'm just sayijng you dont have to shield block every single time it's up

[icy flax]

I do and it's never failed me

[junior raptor]

it helps, it's hardly mandatory

[junior raptor]

and that's why you cannot pick the 8% haste

[toxic pewter]

my god clearing tentacles with spell reflect is amazing this makes that boss so much more manageable

[icy flax]

If I were playing my war I'd pick the 8% haste 😁

[tropic tangle]

I don't think anyone is saying slam it every single time it comes off CD, but that's the point of HR, it gives more overall uptime/wiggle room until you hit a certain % haste

err

[drifting fable]

to a degree you are right but you should have sb up if you are getting meleed. in that regard it is less about uptime and more about maximizing blocked hits, but you are griefing your healer in push content (whatever your push content is) by getting unmitted hits

[tropic tangle]

fixed it, HR manages uptime of SB better than ITF does until you have enough haste

[icy flax]

Y'all should get to 34% haste like me

[junior raptor]

yes but that's the point
In most cases you can have shield block up for 100% of the physical hits if you just have patience with pushing it

[icy flax]

[drifting fable]

ok well honestly i dont remember anyone saying to rip that shit on cd so

[junior raptor]

no but that argument is that you need to have theoritical 100% uptime with the haste

[frosty mango]

This is a bad take imo- you should aim for 100

And realistically see 98+

[junior raptor]

yeah I completely disagree 🙂 but whatever

[frosty mango]

If you wanna meta game shield block uptime you better be some gamer god lol

[livid meteor]

Hello guys, I have a question about Magic damage in heroic raid. I was doing heroic Silken court today and while I was talking the melee big guy I wasn't taking any damage at all and it was easy. But as soon as I got the magic guy, I started to take the bolt once my spell block ended and it chunked me a lot as I couldn't get enough rage to keep ignore pain up. I feel like I'm missing something against heavy magic damage. Did I need to do something special against heavy magic like that ? I was using my CD rotation to survive that guy, but it felt like I may be able to do something else.

[cinder nova]

I mean, it's not exactly hard. We used to manage it much more deliberately in SL S1/2

Just don't geed your charges.

Your block charges don't come off CD independently, they come off CD consecutively.

And be somewhat cognizant of when Shield Charge is coming up so you can tell if you need to use another charge or can diamond hands it with the block time.

[drifting fable]

its just a weird argument because I cant think of many situations you wouldnt want sb up besides running between packs in M+ ig

even off taunt in raid you want the ss dmg

[junior raptor]

sure but you can time that though
You're losing 8% haste

so that's the whole point

[icy flax]

There has never been 1 moment in my life that if I've had the rage to hit shield block I don't hit SB SS in the same global like a cute lil combo

[junior raptor]

you're talking like you get that talent for free without any other replacement 🙂

[tender cove]

this whole forever tyrannical is kinda meh... Bosses takes fooorever for infinite now 😦

[drifting fable]

🤷‍♂️ if you can do it by all means these are all just suggestions from a discord. go off and itf it up.

i will still suggest to people to use HR

[icy flax]

I'm an itf taker as well

💕

[tribal wharf]

not for me i prefer safety of big metal shield

[tender cove]

Do you mean the uptime of shield block or actual physical hits blocked?
Because i dont see why blocking all hits you can would not be neccesary.

[junior raptor]

no I mean there are too much mechanics, CC and tank swapping for needing 100% shield block uptime.
Obviously you need it for physical hits, it's jsut very seldom the duration of physical hits requires HR

[drifting fable]

but again you want the SS damage buff pretty much whenever you can

even if youre not getting hit

[junior raptor]

yes, but like I said it doesn't come for free

you still need to lose that 8% haste

[frosty mango]

I think he’s saying playing itf is technically better if you can manage sb uptime without it

[drifting fable]

sure

ofc

[tender cove]

Im not being sarcastic here, why/what do you need the 8% haste for?

[drifting fable]

that was the OG argument

[junior raptor]

for more damage?

[tender cove]

Are you sure its more damage losing ss buff?

[drifting fable]

but we argueably dont have the haste rn to keep it up without, but I said if he does and can keep it up with itf, go off then

[junior raptor]

you don't "lose" the ss buff 🙂 but obviously there will be times when you do a SS without shield block being up yes

[drifting fable]

well there you go

you dont really want that

[frosty mango]

Which is true but most tanks are gonna read that statement out of context then take itf and go into keys and force me to heal them with 60-70% uptime - that’s the real crux for me

Yea you can metagame it but generally speaking itf ain’t the play for most right now

He’s not wrong though imo, not technically

[junior raptor]

no that might be fair
I'm just sayijng it shouldn't be so black and white that after % haste you can go ITF

it's just harder to go ITF earlier

[drifting fable]

sure agreed

hence why it was a suggestion for a new player :)

[frosty mango]

I have a 619 weap and shield, do I craft shield and weap or do I craft offspec gear

[sweet summit]

what's the damage diff on st

[frosty mango]

Choices

[sweet summit]

ITF vs hr

[frosty mango]

It’s 2% right? Can’t fathom it’s much diff

[junior raptor]

2% per player you mean

[sweet summit]

idk that's why i'm asking

[sweet summit]

what does that mean

[junior raptor]

2% for every player/enemy within 10 yards
Or maybe that wsn't the question?

[sweet summit]

default is full stacks at all times in sims

but yeah that was not the question

i was wondering what the damage difference was between the talents

as i don't have anything to sim with atm

and I am kinda curious

[frosty mango]

You’re basically talking about the diff between 8-10% haste and the sb uptime on st

[sweet summit]

hr also makes ss generate 3 more rage but yeah

[frosty mango]

I would imagine for thane, itf pulls ahead because of blast procs but on st the diff is probably very small if any

[junior raptor]

HR is only damage if and only if you wouldn't be able to have shield block up for that SS

if you didnt have HR

[sweet summit]

can one of you please just run a sim 🥺

[tribal wharf]

ran +2 dawnwaker with that potion trinket for somereason

forgot to unequip

[dark plover]

Erudax slaps so hard on 10

[left beacon]

is there a theat addon. sometimes i'm rolling w/ lower geared tanks and i pull by just doing damage.

[dark plover]

Tank Buster plus gathering all adds and watching for tentacles at the same time

[frosty mango]

Details has a threat option

But also just if the tank is way under your gear level there’s not much you can do

[tribal wharf]

i have to watch city of thread dungeon guide again

im sure alot of it is just do the 5 head thing, i heard 3rd boss is annoying because ???

mostly worried about boss 2,
actually i did watch some video on it partially

[winter shard]

Only annoying if dps don’t stack and you get a bad healer

[tribal wharf]

theres a tank soak on the boss 2

you get 15 stacks and have to have players near you to get the debuff taken off, and the players should move bad things to edge of room for boss 1

i remember parts of it and others not, and i run it as a keystone i will screw it up

example, not sure of what the adds do in the spy game when you combat them, the revealed ones

mostly back end im not so sure of

[drifting fable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6K3iHwHc4rKMwW7JupGxzh more significant than i thought tbh, my apologies there. HR for uptime has more significance on keys with something like ~50mil overall between Sense's HR SoB and the next highest warrior's ITF SoB (SS Damage)

[graceful kite]

camera sucks

it sucks so much its incredible how can it suck so much

with orbs flying out from inside walls

paladin is so good in this dungeon btw

(and in every other)

[tribal wharf]

im the type of person i take an extremely long time to learn a game mechanic that i dont control

[graceful kite]

I do control it

You*

you're a tank

[tribal wharf]

and then once i know what it is, and i see it, and know how to counter it, its completely forever game over for that mechanic

[graceful kite]

you can save reflect for knockback to make sure it doesnt kill you

another boss with shit camera

[graceful kite]

it will be fort nex week

fortified anubarak dude before cot last boss had like umm 150mil hp?

on a 10

[sweet summit]

damn, yeah, that was more than expected. thank you

[tawdry seal]

Do u guys know any good prot war key streamers to watch?

[tribal wharf]

for city, with the spies

as you come to that area going over the bridge

[chilly brook]

Plka unless he’s not playing prot this season

[tribal wharf]

to the right is the mob that starts boss 2

so is it wise to target this add last

since you can get 2 actions in 1 basically there

it seems like there is 4 areas spies can be, and then they have 1 -3 spots within that.

i want to cut as much time out of that section as possible

[tawdry seal]

Checked him out, hasnt streamed for 3 weeks

[chilly brook]

That’s basicallly how I’ve been doing it

[tribal wharf]

i have been fearing running this as a key

[chilly brook]

Go sharp left and then circle to the last one near the executor

[tribal wharf]

after mists

tfw waste 4 minutes to maze game in mists

only way im ever running mists on a 10 again is if i have group i know can carry for the blue dog and mini game phase so i can totally concentrate on dodge freeze and do the kick

does the maze still have the trash the does the spam frontal conal physical shit

lots of melee would die to that in sL

[violet ginkgo]

btw anyone know how to get different delve story? is it random when you enter or change at daily reset or something?

[drifting fable]

believe they are set for the day

[pallid quiver]

Critcake has done some prot keys already

Oh my reply went away

[pallid quiver]

Above message

[sour flint]

yo guys, what items is recommended to craft as prot war? i dont raid just do m+

[glacial skiff]

If you wanted to make yourself more tanky than the builds already suggested what would you change with your talents? I see a few people opting out of ravager for BSV, or the increased rage/damage of spear for 2 points in the stamina increasing talent in warrior tree

[wintry nymph]

does defensive stance no longer give the 10% less damage done ?

[toxic pewter]

correct they removed that hindrance from defensive stance.. for prot only

[main walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kqNckkVRhfoh2aCtQKdRQ8 what should i sim to not get "Unreliable fight style "

[sweet summit]

patchwerk

[main walrus]

5 targets 5 minutes ?

[sweet summit]

if that is the situation you want yeah

[main walrus]

i'm simming to know what gear to upgrade for m+

[warm plinth]

I usually do 3 min st w/ lust and 3 min 5t no lust for M+ and just make a judgment call from there. But our rotation doesn't really change between the two so

[zenith monolith]

Any M+'ers identified the big win reflects? Looking through the list there is a lot , I just wanted to highlight the big ones in my WA's. I got Putrid Waters in last boss SoB and Lava Fist in Grim Batol so far.

[neon elk]

In grim batol there is also that slash that puts a big dot on you, not sure which mob is it, not on pc rn, but its one of those ogres guys in 2nd half

[tender cove]

You dont get one catalyst charge every week?

[neon elk]

Every other

[tender cove]

I see, no lucky 4set then 😭

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, back to the non-zoom season progression

[storm igloo]

hello ,someone can share, any ElvUI for warrior proct? mine dosnt show the rage bar 😦 im new at this addon

[hollow sphinx]

how much sparks could have we earned by now?

[violet ginkgo]

The tradition is if the season is new then they will give catalyst one every two week, but later about midseason they will change to one every week.

[jagged gust]

you can enable it in elvui manually, it's your resource bar class resource I believe

if you can't find it you should be able to use the search function

[violet ginkgo]

Also question with raid. If we have chance to intervene and give that absorb magic shield, should we try to do it on cooldown? assuming we are not tanking boss currently or boss doing mech which is not need to be tanked.

[jagged gust]

but also Nomer has a pretty decent elvui setup, and I think it works pretty well in conjunction with his WA, I've manually changed everything so much I can't really say for sure anymore

[warm plinth]

Go to unit frames, then go to player, and find resource/power bar and make sure it's enabled

[tribal wharf]

gg

[merry sluice]

do not forget u can also tag, and/or have a dk grip the first spy while fighting the miniboss.

just grab it at range so u dont get gooped

[tribal wharf]

i wiped us on the first boss cuz i forgot the circles was on him and huge

but, other than that nothing too warcrimes

[merry sluice]

i spam ping the fuck out of where im moving him.
otherwise as tank (and everyone really) stack on the side towards where you're moving, and start the moment his aoe ends.
I just run to the edge of the circle, pause for a split second so i dont leave it, and then run to the edge of the circle again and he moves cleanly

[tribal wharf]

i didnt really know how bsoss 3 works but i think its another "start on one wall, kite to opposite when thing X happens"

[merry sluice]

i dont think you wanna kite across the circle if that whats you mean.
I'm feeling you wanna pull him to one side, then walk him around counter/clock-wise as a loose stack so you dont fill the room chaotically

[tribal wharf]

cuz boss healed by like 50%, but then its a +2 so those are acceptible those ranges, those are learning keys

a long forwards strech is what i mean curving path or no, to get him away from balls basically

[warm plinth]

Chaotic is the only way yogi plays

[merry sluice]

in higher keys i've found people get better at helping to soak it, and when he's near one side + balls come out
the balls thankfully do some weird fucking tokyo drift shit to give a bit more time, instead of bee lining right into him, I noticed

[tribal wharf]

i like to play reckless ye

[merry sluice]

the real menace is izo fat healing check
and i stg healers have been fucking SUS this week...

• if people aren't grouped, its pretty much gg.

I swear almost eveyr key there's some ranged standing 50ft off in narnia

[tribal wharf]

i think i might do rat lfr

looking for rats

is izo boss 2?

that was pretty easy, i told them if i have ring on my self stack and one is more melee and one has cast

[merry sluice]

boss 4

[tribal wharf]

which move does she do that you mean or its effect

[cyan lichen]

hey

[tribal wharf]

i guess its the big aoe thing she does, not the beetle

big dmg aoe i mean

[merry sluice]

its sorta just everything all together

throughout the fight she's tossing 3 big balls at non-tanks, and those truck if they hit anyone, and sending them through the middle can send them flying through someone. So moving around clockwise as a loose stack everytime balls goes out to avoid them deals with that mechanic

Then there's one where she tindral roots everyone alongside fat dmg, and you need to dps roots or cheese them out. if you don't you get smacked by balls. By far the most important to stack on

And then just a random f a t a s s DoT that goes out
Plus a big aoe slam that trucks everyone.

also the order of abilities is semi random so have fun.

Being grouped helps with the stupid HPS requirement+things like amz. And dealing with other mechs

[cyan lichen]

I´ve been tanking m+ and I´ve been asked to tank on raid (we progin herioc) next week cause our tank will be off
(I dps in raid, so I open my vault as DPS);
I cannot get a decent weapon; how bad of an idea is to craft a one handed weapon (and what stats should I put on it?).

[pallid quiver]

Um, excuse me, they're ranged players, that means they're at range

[tribal wharf]

this might sound crazy

but if you are farther away from the fight, you typically dont get killed by alot of mechanics

works insanely good for casters

[merry sluice]

including the mechanics form healers

[bold kayak]

anyone has m,+ routes guide mayhaps?

[tribal wharf]

weekly route google search

first result from raider io

they have MDT importables

[bold kayak]

🫡

[hollow sphinx]

how many spark do we have up to now?

is it worth using runed harbringer crest for upgrading items or to save for 3rd spark?

[toxic pewter]

is champion raid very rare neck better than hero track 'normal' neck

[tender cove]

Cant imagine this being good right? No strenght and some weird "dont move" proc?

sadge raid satchel 😦

what should i craft with the sparks btw?

[strong forum]

shield and weapon

[strong forum]

consider reading the tooiltip

[tender cove]

oki and those embel?

[strong forum]

embellish shield with lense or dusk/dawn

[tender cove]

so its good? Im confused.

[strong forum]

it grants secondary stats when you move, and strength when you stand still

[tribal wharf]

i found a bug for world quest into the shadows a boat turret mission

when it ends, you are still in the boat, and have to hit the go back home button

maybe not bug, but i thought it would have ejected me at end

[tender cove]

i have swarmgland and wildfire wick. is it better? No strenght feels so sus

[edgy bone]

For colossus M+, should I be spamming revenge or weaving in thunderclaps between each one because of this talent:

[strong forum]

you dont care about TC beyond applying rend

its just for the revenge dmg

cuz you dont press TC enough to get Thunderlord value either

[hollow sphinx]

i did bracers and belt!

[strong forum]

also works

[hollow sphinx]

currently up to 2 sparks?

[strong forum]

3 next week

[tender cove]

Do we get a half this week or whole next one? Cant see any quest this week

[strong forum]

always half

[tribal wharf]

what should we be on for sparks

i have 2.5

[hollow sphinx]

thats ok

[tribal wharf]

im probably behind somehow

[tender cove]

hmm, where do you get the 2nd half this week?

[strong forum]

wdym this week

you just didnt do the first quest freakdin

talk to the catalyst dude

[hollow sphinx]

by now you should have 2.5 spark, meaning 5 spark-pieces.

?

[strong forum]

yes

1 half from catalyst and 4 from just weekly quests

[tender cove]

I have 2 sparks but i should have 2.5?

[mellow quartz]

do the weekly quest

[tender cove]

this one?

[mellow quartz]

I dont recall the name

the quest for awakening the machines should give one

[tender cove]

hmm. I have one weekly i didnt finish last week, maybe it bugged getting this week.
Because neither has fractured spark as reward

[jagged gust]

it's in the chest innit

[tribal wharf]

where is the keystone person in the main city

or what is it called by gaurds to locate

[grizzled acorn]

in the portal room

[tribal wharf]

o

[tender cove]

ahh, thanks. Ill do them tomorrow.

[tribal wharf]

ya, when u say portal room, see, i saw twitter about it, now i know it

[grizzled acorn]

the one for the dungeons

its like the place left of the upgrades hut

[tribal wharf]

ya, cuz i want to be able to reduce or change my key if im not fond of the key

[proud dock]

is ravager a dps tool or an aggro pick up? i feel like its slow to pick up aggro

[shrewd briar]

Aggro, dmg and rage generator

[jagged gust]

You're supposed to throw it before reaching the pack

It helps with snap aggro

[grizzled acorn]

and it follows the pack which is a nice bonus

[jagged gust]

sometimes critters

[tribal wharf]

eh, maybe go back to keys later

[grave jacinth]

Is anything that can be stopped with spell block also able to be stopped with spell reflect?

[toxic pewter]

I would say to check the spell reflect/spell block spreadsheet in the pins

[shrewd briar]

Im a bit tired of the elisyum spear, maybe ask for the necrolord banner to be back?

[tribal wharf]

wtf

[toxic pewter]

lol

[grave jacinth]

What I mean is, while SR may no reflect the damge will it still block it in the same way SB would?

[tribal wharf]

its getting worse

steam discovery qeue failed

[jagged gust]

can't emulate the smell, 3/10

[marble cipher]

I know embelishments say to use the threads, or the lens (ST), is Ascension THAT bad?
It drops out of combat which obv is annoying, but, you got 8s every time, so, in coordinated groups, I assume you'll mostly chainpul.
Though, inspacting raider.io prot warriors, I can't seem to see many running it.
Reason I ask is because I play both prot and fury, and atm I don't have the sparks to spare to craft a double set of bracers, so was looking for an easy "works for both" setup

[plush path]

yo

whats the best enchant for weapon

[trim condor]

Guys, do you charge into pack of mobs as new pull? My charge is rotating my screen And character And every time I get hit in the back

[lusty grotto]

Crusader

[trim condor]

Shield charge is not doing that to me

[lusty grotto]

Don't use shield charge as a gap closer

But usually that's because of an obstacle

Or z axis difference

[trim condor]

I am talking about regular charge

Even with no obstacle, it feels like charge has point where it lands, but mobs meanwhile run forward

[lusty grotto]

Your charge is... Rotating your screen

?

[trim condor]

Yes, And character

I didnt have this problem in DF

[lusty grotto]

OK...

[trim condor]

But I was Dwarf, Now I am maghar

[lusty grotto]

I don't think that makes a difference

[jagged gust]

I mean the whole mobs running behind you thing is pretty much intentional

[lusty grotto]

Are you sure it's your charge and not you?

[trim condor]

On some races, mobs are circling you

[toxic pewter]

ngl I am not impressed with aug evokers in my groups whatsoever this season

feel like it just sucks having them dunno

[lusty grotto]

Mobs have circled tanks since forever

It's not new to this exp

Not new to df

Not new to SL

And beyond that, that's their expected behavior

[trim condor]

I tested it, I press charge And nothing else. I tanked 100+ keys in DF S4 And didnt happen Once. Now it happens like every 4th charge.

[jagged gust]

Charge is also a god awful ability that will when given the chance yeet you into the most unfortunate circumstance possible

[lusty grotto]

Will that's not true

It's a you problem

Not a charge problem, or a race problem

[trim condor]

I dont think you know what I mean, if you pull bigger enemy on zandalari Monk, mobs is going left And right, constantly. Its known issue

[lusty grotto]

Ok

[jagged gust]

What you've never zigzaged across a map?

[lusty grotto]

Then you've found your answer, why ask here

I def don't have that issue

[trim condor]

Because charge didnt do that And now Its does? And if anybody have similiar issue And if there is fix for that

[lusty grotto]

This has nothing to do with "turns my character around" or "getting circled cause I can't adjust"

[lusty grotto]

It doesn't

Get good

[trim condor]

Ah yeah, classic, it dont happen to me, So Its impossible

[merry sluice]

doesn't charge technically

not evne update your rotaiton until you stop
when it comes to back hits?

[lusty grotto]

brother youre mentioning 3 different things that arent even charge related

[toxic pewter]

do you play a smaller race

[lusty grotto]

he said maghar

[toxic pewter]

oh

[trim condor]

Maghar,

[smoky anvil]

Changed in legion iirc?

[merry sluice]

i've had the described behaviour happen once on release fyrakk. But that was vdh Hunt.

[smoky anvil]

Like halfway through

[lusty grotto]

yeah just about Alkaraz

[trim condor]

You didnt even know there is race related bug to tanks, how you can claim it dont happen. Your contribution here is nice

[lusty grotto]

what does that have to do with charging? Your contribution here is nice

[smoky anvil]

Blizz got frustrated with the giga pack pulls then introduced mob circling which created the kite meta.

[merry sluice]

is there a trash pack or boss that this consistently happen on?

[trim condor]

Mainly Scithe mobs in maze

Feels like their hit box something is way behind them

Yeah and it dont happen in combat, only on new pull

[merry sluice]

so its definitely not when theyre dashing out at someone.
bc the onlytime i saw such behaviour with charge was on first boss RLP. I leaped out to grab adds sitting in narnia #ranged dps and charged back to boss and wrapped around ice shards. But thats bc there was an obstacle in the way.

Otherwise, it was using the hunt when fyrakk phased and the game got w o n k y

[lusty grotto]

doesnt happen in DF, cherry

apparently

[trim condor]

No, it feels like my char is charging to one spot behind mobs And mobs will move and then I am back to mobs And my camera little rotate as result

As I said, it didnt happen in previous xpac, but I was playing dark iron dwarf here

[neon elk]

Get a toy or item that reshapes your char , idealy to dwarf, if its still happening then its not race , if it doesnt happen then its either buged or u are triping

[trim condor]

OH true, new enchant illusion can help with that. Thanks!

[neon elk]

Np

[stoic pilot]

glamours are cool wish they weren’t a 2hr cooldown

[lusty grotto]

yea

[merry sluice]

just full send it, pop fire water, be the t h i c c est maghar you can be

breka it evne more

[lusty grotto]

12 hr cd on atomic recalib

i dont even know whats the point of putting cds on them

[smoky anvil]

Who needs to press buttons to threat when you get aggro from your dummy thicc cheeks clapping as you walk the dungeon

[merry sluice]

unfortunately, you break stealth and invis pot each time

[strange gazelle]

Should i be crafting a shield before a weapon with my Crest?

[trim condor]

I wanted to go back to dwarf, but maghar shout every ability is top notch

[merry sluice]

dwarf good
but i am on the 🐐 life
and man'ari warrior is a vibe
plus i'll never say no toa 20% hp heal on warrior

[neon elk]

Grim batol 10 pugable or is cancer af ?

[merry sluice]

both

just bc its puggable doesnt mean its not cancer still

[lusty grotto]

man

ive ran

so many fucking keys

and i have gotten NOTHING out of eod chests

except when i help someone get their key up and i get some dogshit champion track bs

7+? 0 loot eod

its been tilting me all week

i swear im uuid bugged or some shit

[merry sluice]

speaking of cancer

go into siege

0 kicks from 3 dps

LOVING IT

[neon elk]

Same , im stuck at like 609ilvl , cant drop a shit , did 9 runs today, i got 1 item

[lusty grotto]

my favorite was in GT "tank can you grab agro on adds" on last boss

meanwhile healer standing in africa

it took them 6 wipes to tell me that and for me to tell them that maybe the healer should be closer to me cause tanks get knocked when adds spawn

[lusty grotto]

the group had 2 ret pallies btw

so i HAD to mention

[merry sluice]

im downt o stick through a few wipes, especially first week since people are new and learning.

but if people refuse to do basic shit like interrupt
or not pull trash 15 times ina row lol and getting half wya through the dungeon is a fucking slog

I will definitely pull the trigger eventually

[lusty grotto]

"hey do you know about this other thing that can help called BOP"

[merry sluice]

its insane i can watch a healer just let 3 people sit witha heal absorb for 40 seconds

[lusty grotto]

speaking of siege

i was reliably leaping + taunting on shooting squads

up until friday

now they just keep shooting lmao

so the group follows me thinking it'll stop and it doesnt

instant 60 second penalty

[fresh quest]

hey is there a pinned comment or anything about whats good embellishments/sparks to craft?

[tribal wharf]

havent done siege yet, dont want to lol

[lusty grotto]

i dont blame you yogi

[bleak breach]

I had same issue Nim, got up taunted and they still nuked us

[lusty grotto]

now that people are used to dogshitbreaker and CoT was nerfed, siege is the most tilting dungeon

[tribal wharf]

beware the sandwhich waves

[lusty grotto]

i have no issue with those

[tribal wharf]

I SWEAR TO GOD

that boss is a predictor of how well you will do on final

[lusty grotto]

nah

[tribal wharf]

the worse your group does on him, the worse u do vs octopuss

[lusty grotto]

both are mechanically different, leviathan is more healer focused

[merry sluice]

you mean spam ping and type we need to kill demo and they still focus the other tentacle

yeah fun boss

[lusty grotto]

Hadal is just a get good, dodging waves aint hard

[tribal wharf]

well, it makes it very clear whos standing in shit or not

[lusty grotto]

also if baits are badly placed, you can just jump up the mid statue

or go way back

which is what i do

[tribal wharf]

i dunno, u guys will see what i mean as it goes on in the season as you pug it

[lusty grotto]

i dont need to

i played siege for an entire expansion

[tribal wharf]

some players havent

and they wont know the nuances

[lusty grotto]

the stuff that is bad was just recently changed/introduced

[tribal wharf]

i dont even know what they changed....

[lusty grotto]

and not difficulty related

btw

speaking of which

i snapped 2 packs on the 2nd shooting squad

reliably

it was fucking funny

could be great for pushes

[merry sluice]

dw about how ahjrd the boss is
ur lucky to make it half way through with your sanity intact in a pug anyways

[lusty grotto]

2nd boss is the one that tilts me the most by far

"my tc slow doesnt work (or chains of ice), keep it slowed"

btw

[tribal wharf]

TBH, i dunno how possible it is but i could see MDI teams skipping all the way to the first boss of siege with back to back rogue conceal and mage mass invis

[merry sluice]

oh dw
my favourite is dnd slow doing fuck all in this dungeon 🙂

[lusty grotto]

HAMSTRING WORKS

[tribal wharf]

provided there isnt dudes that spot that

storm bolt better

[lusty grotto]

also if the tank is forced to cannon, your group is trolling

[silent sphinx]

are preservation evoker kinda busted?

[lusty grotto]

because if im not mid prepositioned

[tribal wharf]

storm bolt they cant move

[silent sphinx]

just ran a dungeon with one and it was uh pretty great

[lusty grotto]

someones getting blasted

[merry sluice]

you think that's trolling.
i got to 2nd boss with only the resto druid interrupting

[tribal wharf]

no

let dps do it

[lusty grotto]

they have been

for a while

[tribal wharf]

but whomever shoots the cannon should be fast at it

[merry sluice]

thankfully for the 3 times i saw that boss

i did see dps do it

and im shocked

[tribal wharf]

u can get in and fire and out REALLY fast

and thats what u want

but the aim has to hit, almost hard to NOT hit him

lowest dps

[lusty grotto]

Cherry to be fair

i prefer them not interrupting

[rose pier]

Do we know which item to craft to use embelishment as prot warrior ?

[lusty grotto]

last siege i did i couldnt get no reflects off

[spare plover]

hey, what did you guys craft for m+ shield wep or waist wrist ?

[harsh trellis]

Duskthread Lining or focusing lens? I made a shield and im trying to figure this out

[spare plover]

Duskthread Lining i think

i just read its better for m+, the other one is st no ?

[lusty grotto]

no

oh

focusing lens yes

[harsh trellis]

I primarily do M+

[cosmic warren]

can non engineers use the engineer brez wrists?

[lusty grotto]

dusk or dawn, depends on your sims

[harsh trellis]

Also Crit Haste or haste Vers , Assuming Crit haste all the way regardless

[lusty grotto]

haste crit

[harsh trellis]

Thanks Nim

appreciate it

[lusty grotto]

only use lenses for ST, like Hmz said

[harsh trellis]

OH

maybe ill stick with the dusk for now since its already on the shield

[lusty grotto]

yeah just put duskthread or dawnthread depending on sims, dont go for one specific

hard sim angle

[toxic pewter]

Can get battle rez jumper cables off ah now anyone can use

Def worth carrying some for emergencies

[lusty grotto]

engi potion bombs are pretty goated

[toxic pewter]

Wait really am I supposed to be using those lol

[steel mist]

dude that necro wake third boss hook is not bugged with affix

[lusty grotto]

yes

[toxic pewter]

Do they share a cd with normal dps pots

[cosmic warren]

ty!

[steel mist]

when the affix comes that hooks hits the orbs

[lusty grotto]

if you know what youre doing yes apb

[steel mist]

like wtf is that

[toxic pewter]

Damn.. interesting

I underestimated them for some reason

Gonna get some asap

[lusty grotto]

that was hotfixed on friday, is it still happening?

[steel mist]

yes

i was in now

[lusty grotto]

typical blizzard

[steel mist]

affix showed up and the hook hit the orbs

[toxic pewter]

Oh is that what happened the hook can’t grip the affix? DUDE I swore I saw ghat happen

I was like wtf is going on here

Happened to me like 2 hours ago

[steel mist]

necro wake is unplayable bec of that

its whether you get good rng or bad eng

rng

[near pewter]

on the last bopss of siege how does the destroyer tentacle work. if we are on second platform can we all wait and mofve over together? or if the tentacle spawns do i need to get to it asap

[steel mist]

kill the dstoryer first

then gripping

[near pewter]

im just asking about aggro on it

[toxic pewter]

Do they create a ground reticle like ravager or how do they work

[steel mist]

after that someone does the cannon and follows you to the tird

[near pewter]

i play with slow people so they getting knocked from teh slam going to the third platform

[dry wraith]

can you leap out of cosmic singularity?

[lusty grotto]

im not 100% sure but we use them a lot

[near pewter]

can we wait and move together or do i need to get to tentacle asap

[toxic pewter]

Ok gonna carry them going forward

[near pewter]

like will it still cast slam at the same time regardless?

[tribal wharf]

ur only job on final boss siege is to sit on the destroyer tentacle

and if possible, use your stuns (wisely, longest duration first, not over lapping, while its casting the bad thing, 3 times)

every time it does its slam that it spams, group takes tons of dmg

[autumn pawn]

any1 using this for m+? Does it give you a bigger shield when you use it and damage reduction against more targets?

[tribal wharf]

also, when u get the cannon shot off

active tentacles despawn

[mellow quartz]

I stood off platform earlier waiting and he started casting slam

[jagged pier]

Its a bit iffy as game doesnt update till u hit the floor and if u leap to early u get sucked back in

[tribal wharf]

ya, i wouldnt try it, to sum up what jakey said

do you think your lucky punk? do you live dangerously? sure, attempt it