protection

[graceful kite]

but usually you don't want to change your build

[amber gate]

that’s so much deff loss tho

less rage less ignore

[graceful kite]

its a loss in aoe

Why do you want to pick mass interrupt tho

[amber gate]

for necrotic wake

i don’t trust my teammates on mages

[graceful kite]

anima orbs aoe silence mobs in wake

you gather caster packs and use it

[amber gate]

oh i didn’t know that thanks for the tip

[olive wolf]

Hello guys, how do you play this trinket ? Do you let it be or really use the usable option ?

[eternal marlin]

what crafted items are people making? and is it worth crafting some now? or should i wait for further tuning?

[tribal wharf]

apparently nome thinks the swarmgland is way better than i think it is

personally i think the giga on use mastery ones are trash, but thats me

[chrome falcon]

what's the embellishments we want gang

we gotta get these pins updated for this channel

[graceful kite]

mark is a great trinket

[graceful kite]

there won't be tuning this patch

I made a shield because I don't do mythic raid and don't trust my vault

[eternal marlin]

so the guides iw as looking at are saying belt and wrists, but i also dont raid mythic, and would never kill last boss on mythic for its shield

so a shield might be a good idea

[sweet girder]

you always make shield unless you are gonna be clearing half the mythic raid in the first 2 weeks.

[graceful kite]

First boss on mythic also drops shield

shield is a good idea

I made a shield with duskthread lining embelishment

[eternal marlin]

worth using an embelishment?

[graceful kite]

it costs like 4k gold and r3 mats cost around 80k so why not throw a bit more

on eu atleast

[eternal marlin]

are shield 2 sparks?

[graceful kite]

1

only 2handed weapons use 2 sparks

[broken light]

which piece we dont use for tier set?

[graceful kite]

shoulders or hands

[broken light]

shoulder i presume?

okay

thanks

[graceful kite]

I use hands both crit and vers are nice

but its not like mastery is a bad stat its just worse than others

still buffs crit block

[eternal marlin]

shoulders are mainly mastery?

[pastel summit]

Uh, maybe the stacking vers to wep or vers lining one but in general neither will really have consdierable impact of pvp durability which is 99% of the time a cds/positioning issue.

[trim condor]

are there any timers for dungeeons? for example, we did dawnbreaker in 20 min, 3 sec. So how far we were from +3

[eternal marlin]

putting crit haste on the shield?

[graceful kite]

yep

or haste vers

[eternal marlin]

what other item did you craft?

[graceful kite]

none for now

if I dont get weapon in vault will craft a weapon

or whatever sucks in my gear

[eternal marlin]

fair shout, i should wait for vault

[graceful kite]

I'm not doing high m+ tho just playing with mates so maybe you gotta craft now if you want to push

[eternal marlin]

i got 2k, i dont care to push higher atm

[graceful kite]

I'm doing 8 10s and 7+ keys

[hoary pivot]

meeeh

[trim condor]

I somehow can't get boots to drop. Cleared raid, was spamming 0s boralus and city, Now spamming keys And still have them 580

[bleak breach]

Not doing high m+ but doing 10s?

[broken light]

any guide to craft what first?

[bleak breach]

That’s high m+

[broken light]

im seeing belts before weap/shields

[bleak breach]

Bracers and belt/boots

[broken light]

even before weap and shields?

[bleak breach]

Upto you

Depends what quality wep or shield you have

[broken light]

thanks, any info you can give me on embellishments?

[bleak breach]

Dusk or dawnthread are easy go to atm

[broken light]

i have a 610 weap and 619 shield rn

will craft a 639

shield seems best to not die but idk

[bleak breach]

Damn you pumping if you can craft 639 already

[broken light]

yeah did all 9's

decided to craft first before getting into 10s

[bleak breach]

Which key you doing for 9s?

[broken light]

timed all atm

[bleak breach]

Struth

[broken light]

not one key particularly

[bleak breach]

I did an 8Grim Batol earlier and that was a nightmare

We went way over timer

[broken light]

yeah im starting to get fucked in packs as soon its 9-10

[bleak breach]

Last boss was what did us in

Packs we’re ripping too

Ara kara and mists seem pretty cheese

[dreamy garnet]

Guys how create ignore pain weakaura to show how many units

[bleak breach]

There’s a pack on the weak aura page for it

[plush path]

why craft shield isnt raid/m+ good?

[dreamy garnet]

ok im found on wago

[pastel isle]

Is there some hidden mechanic to Ara-Kara last boss pull spell Cosmic Singularity? ~2 mil hit killed me from full health

[jagged pier]

yer get rooted by an add

so u dont get pulled it

[pastel isle]

I know that, but I tried to just cooldown through it and still died from full

death log showed it hit for 2 million

[broken light]

639 shield seems nice

im crafting shield rn and will craft weap next

[shell fox]

should i craft a 636 shield too

[tribal wharf]

actual skill and knowledge based fight

add spawns and you can atack the add (low hp) and it "dies" into a black pool

which roots you

if anyone touches it, it goes away

so, you wait until she does the move, then run over and touch i t

then you can instantly kill the add with a stun (shockwave) and you become free

[pastel isle]

Sorry, maybe my question was wrong. What is actual mechanic that caused me to die from 8 million health on a 2 million hit? Does that ability just auto-kill regardless of damage?

[tribal wharf]

able to dodge the webs she is now firing

[pastel isle]

I don't see anything else in the journal

[tribal wharf]

she does many things you might be getting hit by lots of them, unsure without a log or video,

[graceful kite]

Yes

[tribal wharf]

death recap ? [you died] blue text

[graceful kite]

Combatlog alteast

[tribal wharf]

but if you follow the instructions i left just now, you will never fail that boss mechanic again

[graceful kite]

Ogres are hitting for a lot and small adds b4 last boss

[cold surge]

hmm odd question guys, if I got a 1h at 619, 8/8 champ. and a crafted 619 shield, would that make upgrading 2h's cheaper? or would it only work if the shield was also champ or hero track

[toxic pewter]

just tried to leap the final boss of ara kara pull in.. did not go well first time LOL

[tribal wharf]

no way ill tack the tar trap

[fickle kestrel]

anyone available for a log review in dms?

[graceful kite]

You can leap on a bloodworker to spawn aoe

[toxic pewter]

ohh thats good point

[graceful kite]

Or leap and run very far so cast ends before you get pulled close enough

[toxic pewter]

will do that going forward

yah I must not of lept far enough

cuz i got sucked in

just gonna go in puddle from now on

dont want to risk it

[graceful kite]

I just throw weapon on this fight to spawn more rooting zones

[toxic pewter]

does 1 hit kill the dudes

or need like 2

[graceful kite]

Yep

[toxic pewter]

ok good to know

[graceful kite]

They have 1hp

[tropic tangle]

you can also catch a lot of them with clap for just minor movement

[graceful kite]

Thats why i said leaping on them works

Leap damage kills them

[toxic pewter]

the leap on them makes sense

so i dont steal a puddle from group member

[vale karma]

you just leapt too early btw, you need to do it just before or during the final suck

but it's kinda risky since it one shots even tanks, so I've just stack to doing to normally

[toxic pewter]

Yeah not sure it’s worth the risk for me personally

[silent sphinx]

anyone got tips for stone forge tanking?

specifically the speakers, the dual bosses just seem to wipe any pug im in with me usually being the last standing

since it's happened like 5 times im assuming it's the way i tank the bosses

[drifting fable]

you can leap it at like 0.5 seconds of the cast and avoid it

[drifting fable]

make sure you are always aware of the 1/4 of the room thats safe for exhaust vents, especially when the mechanic combines with dorito pulling the anvil in the middle. try to kick molten from the dwarf, but it is a hard fight

[silent sphinx]

always leap to the exausht quater soon as i can, kick when its not ranged etc

do i move bosses to middle after the box and wait for next exaust or keep tanking in that quater?

[drifting fable]

i usually try to keep them out of the center as much as possible

[hoary pivot]

Move the boss back to the middle after exhaust is over

[drifting fable]

beyond all that when im dps i usually try to save personals for the anvil explosion, seems to do the most damage

[hoary pivot]

To reduce movement for everyone and to allow surviving the overlap

Basically only stand on the grills during exhaust and during the cube explosion

Also pop rally during the cube explosion

[silent sphinx]

i do all these things, i just think if the fight goes on for too long and i run out of the CDs it's over

cheers for the advice though!

[drifting fable]

well then dps need to do more ig haha

[hoary pivot]

The frontal iften kills people

Pinging vents can also help

Its all red on red in that fight, hard to see if one is not used to ir

Might help the pug DDs, dunno

[toxic pewter]

My most annoying thing in that fight is I want ranged to kick the dwarf when she is far away but no one seems to do it

[silk sandal]

does prot have a way to prevent the 2nd boss in siege from jumping away?

[vale karma]

does any class have a way to do that?

[silk sandal]

yeah, says "unless snared or rooted" haha

[strong forum]

nah

[silk sandal]

but ive had a couple runs where my entire group was dead except me and i couldnt seem to stop it lol

[strong forum]

boss goes up at 66% and 33%

[silk sandal]

no i mean the jumping around the platform

[strong forum]

thunderclap.

[main walrus]

am i happy ?

[round pendant]

I'm suffering

[vale karma]

oh 😄 I thought you were talking about the big jump

[silk sandal]

so i thought thunderclap worked but it was still doing it lol

[strong forum]

dunno

boss never moved when i did it

[silk sandal]

fair, im prob just bad

[strong forum]

its alright defensively

not great not terrible

[main walrus]

but i'll be fast

[tribal wharf]

that is a yogi trinket

if i had that especially with speed, would be non stop talk about it for at least 3 hour probably

i mean, do we even dodge any more?

[austere marsh]

i just tanked mists 10 with this shit, ask me anything xd

[shrewd ore]

you can just hamstring

then it will never jump

[vale karma]

says indestructible right there!

[austere marsh]

true that

actually some of the packs in the maze hit hard af, barely survived, rest was fine

[vale karma]

mist is so undertuned compared to something like stonvault, it's crazy

[austere marsh]

necrotic wake 3rd boss sends his regards

[deft hinge]

stonevault is like being back in the days on my fathers lap getting slapped on the butt

[toxic pewter]

where is this even from.. edit: grim batol apparently

[maiden nimbus]

Could I get some feedback on this log? Feel like my damage was solid and did really well with rage management. Mainly looking to know if I should do anything differently for survivability…but open to any suggestions:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DtKy1VFmRAJW6H3X#fight=1

[toxic pewter]

omg in a heroic pug right now and came across a fury warr playing single minded fury lol

first time ive ever seen one in the wild

[graceful kite]

its 8 gold nothing to scoff at

[graceful kite]

clap didnt work for me for some reason on wednesday btw

hamstringing it now just in case

[main walrus]

was in a dungeon, yeah but it has speed !!!

[graceful kite]

maybe I had some insane clap gaps with shield slam resets but I don't remember it being like that

[main walrus]

and it is better than my current one i think

[proven nova]

The reduction in value for tanks w/ DPS trinkets definitely hurts

[cerulean tusk]

not a very good trinky in mist at least

[proven nova]

hey at least its not a detachable fang

I still feel like the skyterror organ is kinda garbage also

[graceful kite]

computer says its great

tho on my recaps it does like 1%

[proven nova]

someone show me a log where it actually is because every key i've done and even on dummies the thing is pretty garbage. even in a situation where you measure it on a dummy for only its duration, hero, etc, to really try to maximize it, the thing does like barely 1M dmg.

[proven nova]

ya same, its always just way lower than i'd expect given where ppl rank it

[toxic pewter]

skyterror organ is a solid trinket, one of the better single target trinkets

[proven nova]

I guess the question comes down to if 1M dmg is enough to be worth it compared to other utility options that also have some dmg

[acoustic slate]

Can you reflect the ara kara endboss singularity?

[sweet summit]

#protection-faq message

[tribal wharf]

wait, we can block that shit

[sweet summit]

with spell block ye

[tribal wharf]

ya, i just didnt think that would be one of them

spell block is really strong though

[mellow quartz]

don't get hit by it with spell block

[remote tusk]

🤡 other tank stood in sweep.

[rigid yew]

That boss fight is so annoying
Unless I'm just dumb
So every time she does singularity you are on her ass so you have to leap away to not die (or get hit) by big suck.
Dps can run away early but she follows me around

[remote tusk]

You can leap during the cast

Faded is only applied when the cast ends i.e. explosion.

[mellow quartz]

for sure, but they were talking about getting hit by it with spell block

[rigid yew]

There should be no suck in while she's casting
Then big suck and if not in the pool you die
But the way it works is it immediately starts pulling you in
So if you don't leap you die

[remote tusk]

I had the unforunate luck once that the Leap impact would trigger the Avatar proc, so I got unrooted instantly. Fun.

[rigid yew]

Is anyone else feeling like NW is overtuned?
It felt much more difficult than the others
3rd boss was a nightmare

[remote tusk]

Did you use Spears on 3rd boss?

[rigid yew]

No but that is a good idea
The group was pretty bad
But overall the feel was more difficult

[wet forum]

what embleshment yall use for when crafting shield

[rigid yew]

The trash count is annoying
You need to pull like 46/50 groups to get count

[red dock]

Whats the best thing to craft with sparks at first?

weapon and shield?

[tribal wharf]

can we solo shadowlands raids

[mellow quartz]

just nerfed 3rd boss last night

[tribal wharf]

im unclear on this one, i was able to do bfa raids problemless, going to find out for science, then probably back to delves and low keys

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/V0ElNJ8.png

gimme a crumb of ilvl

I BEG

JUST A CRUMB

OF WEAPON AND SHIELD

[mellow quartz]

Weren’t you 618???

[strong forum]

not as prot

giga gimped on rings/neck/weapon/shield

[mellow quartz]

I have the same with jewelry

Like 612 overall

[tribal wharf]

CN:M not so bad so far

might be some shit that heals

or that needs 2 player, praying not

i need vampire gear, i want to dress my dk up like vampire more, not about the death whatever spec for him

[red dock]

Ascension for weapon embellishment? Dont see that one mentioned in the faq

[strong forum]

its not mentioned cuz its not what we play

for raid dmg you go elemental lense

for m+ you go dusk/dawn

cuz in m+ ascencion will often just completely fall off

and it takes almost 2 minutes to stack back up

[red dock]

Dusk/dawn cant go on weapons though, is the suggestion to just craft other pieces then?

[strong forum]

correct

[red dock]

Gotcha

ty

[strong forum]

like, shield

[tribal wharf]

cant solo sun king LOL

[brisk kelp]

hello wariors. does ignore pain stack? or does it give a little on top if u use agan?

[strong forum]

it stacks up to 30% of your max HP

[brisk kelp]

ok thanks

[slim cairn]

we got numbers on uptime for 4 piece?

[strong forum]

depends how much crit you have

and its also completely irrelevant

ive had 52% uptime in my mists10 rn

in SV i only had 36%

[slim cairn]

seems like its competitive for least impactful 4 piece

[tribal wharf]

prices for materials is still insane

part of why holding off on any crafting

[slim cairn]

cloak mats arent bad.

[carmine zodiac]

First boss of Boralus, do we have to do max damage on boss while keeping threat on adds or do we have to focus on adds only?

[tribal wharf]

keep the add you are tanking beside the boss

so the group kills the add

and you only stop that when player is about to bomb the boss

[carmine zodiac]

beside, u mean "near"?

close to him

[slim cairn]

punch adds when they spawn, then hang out near the boss. ez pz.

[tribal wharf]

taunt the melee add and drag it beside whereever the boss is baited to

blocking and attacking it

if you keep the add in range, everyone will hit it with more abilities, so it dies faster, then you can focus down boss

the ranged dude isnt a problem, but should be killed before new wave of adds appear

[carmine zodiac]

okay

[tribal wharf]

its all about the chased players ability to get the boss to bomb FAST

cuz he gets insane giga dps taken debuff

thats the lust

[shell fox]

@strong forum

can u send me ur ui pal?

i saw your stream few hours ago and i got confused by the yellow thing on your screen lol

i was setting up the entire thing but i alt f4 the game later and i lost E V E R Y T H I N G

[carmine zodiac]

thx my dude

[strong forum]

My entire ui is on wago just search my name

[shell fox]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-stupid-stupid-dumb-and-dumber-smacking-self-gif-5362094

gg

[tribal wharf]

this was the best era of movies

[undone bramble]

TC isn't capped for us right ?

[shell fox]

it is

[marble night]

i cant remember how it was in SL cause no one used it, and i cant remember how they changed it for TWW. Is the shield in NW a channel? or just a press extra action and get the effect

[tribal wharf]

all i know for sure, is there is a big spell caster unique model visibile very start of dungeon, very center of first room

NEVER EVER EVER PULL HIM

it will go to hell

so fast

[marble night]

they nerfed them yesterday

and they give more % now

and they arent that bad if you do them alone

[tribal wharf]

still, i learned my lessons long ago about that guy and by end of SL i never even pulled him on normal dungeons

[slim cairn]

SL gatekeepers were a never pull

[tribal wharf]

oh, ya, on NW, clear the stage, and take the boss to the stage

then hes free af

first boss this is

that dungeon is you need an acceptable starting, but the back end is heavily loaded against you

[cold frigate]

Got Ceaseless Swarmland from Ara-Ara today. Cursed myself for not changing my Loot specialization, but came to ask questions about the usefulness of this.

[tribal wharf]

according to @strong forum its one of the best

[strong forum]

Well

Among a pool of bad trinkets, it's okay to use

[thick otter]

What are the best ways of dealing with last boss Ara-Kara succ as prot warrior? Currently I am heroic leaping out of if last second but is there anything more consistent? I die like 1 in 20 times maybe

[cold frigate]

Thank God. and thank you all for the infomation

[thick otter]

(I don't want to do the mechanic properly)

[cold frigate]

If there is no suitable black puddle around, it is most likely to survive by leaping on the small mobs that roam around.

[tropic tangle]

get in a puddle

[tribal wharf]

actual skill and knowledge based fight

add spawns and you can atack the add (low hp) and it "dies" into a black pool
which roots you, if anyone touches it, it goes away
so, you wait until she does the move, then run over and touch i t
then you can instantly kill the add with a stun (shockwave) and you become free

[violet ginkgo]

I see so just get stuck in puddle and then free ourself? Is delaying avatar for a few secs to break free of the root is a good move?

[tribal wharf]

this is about ara kara someone else asked same thing earlier

hold the shockwave for that

i can do taurens cow stomp, but shockwave is something every pwar has by defualt (should)

could bolt if ur bolt doesnt hit the boss

[thick otter]

i am afraid of stealing dps pool

or healer

[tribal wharf]

you will have 5-7 on average

dont worry

if you only see 2 at the time of the spell, someones a moron

we get a vote again? your name

[hollow flower]

Is there a Point where we dont want more haste this Season (i know Item Level over everything still curios)

[tribal wharf]

40% for itf due to nerf

40% is alot for most of us to reach, even 30%

[fickle kestrel]

any prot warriors available to do a log review in dms

[tribal wharf]

i think this guy asked same thing earlier too, im not good with logs

[fickle kestrel]

yeah i had asked earlier and no one responded 3:

[tribal wharf]

i would say just make sure your personal information isnt on it and make it public and link it for us

[hollow flower]

I am okayish with logs If you really want someone but i need 10/15 mins

[fickle kestrel]

gotcha

is it ok if its in dms?

[warm plinth]

You can DM me

[tribal wharf]

i dont believe mastery is a bad stat

but its not my preffered for this spec

[hollow flower]

Mastery = 🤢
(Its honestly)

[tribal wharf]

well, its attack dmg, roughly translated, boss dies a bit more faster

[wet orbit]

Is shield the best first craft for first runed harbinger crest (new prot warrior here)

my shield is also oneof my lowest ilvl

[hollow flower]

Yes

[warm plinth]

It's not.

[hollow flower]

I forgot to right fine

[warm plinth]

oh lol

My brain does that sometimes; it forgets to finish the thought.

[hollow flower]

Handy autocorrect with english sentences also horrible

[tribal wharf]

i dunno if grammarly is for discord

[hollow flower]

Its the Most important Defensive Slot you have

[tribal wharf]

yep

but that said, dont panic if you have smol shield

smol shield still do the big blocks

its first thing you want to upgrade when you have the option

[wet orbit]

okperfect I will craft that

[violet ginkgo]

Ok then time to DM later on 👍

[red dock]

Whats the small yellow bar with 240 for

[sweet summit]

violent outburst no?

[tribal wharf]

ya

[hollow flower]

Probably

Also yellow?

[tribal wharf]

thats an interesting wa but ill just continue hit buttons

[hollow flower]

Use IP and If it jumps to 205 its violent outburst

[red dock]

It does but I dont understand what 205 is

rage until you proc it?

30 x 8, yup ok

[sweet summit]

math works in mysterious ways sometimes

[tribal wharf]

dawn breaker house LT hurts

[plush path]

does parse % on logs only matter for dps classes?

[jagged pier]

i mean for egos it matters

[mighty valley]

damage is damage, might as well do as much as you can

[jagged pier]

id honestly rather see a dps be blue and do mechanics

than be pink and not do any

[mighty valley]

yeah at first kill is all that matters

[plush path]

so parse is purely how much dmg i blast out compared to other ppl?

[jagged pier]

yes

[mighty valley]

yeah, compared to people of the same spec

[plush path]

does it take ilvl into consideration or if im 603 it will compare me to someone that blasted out 2x more in 615

[jagged pier]

yes and no

u get a rank for your ilvl range and one for overall

[maiden nimbus]

How come mountain thane is what everyone says to do for mythic +? I’ve been doing a ton more damage as colossus and don’t feel like that much survivability is really lost.

[plush path]

thats so sigma

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228417474278719569/1256402018369667072/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_3.gif

[ornate pulsar]

Does Race matter? Or faction for that matter?

[grizzled acorn]

nope

dwarf helps any of time

them*

[ornate pulsar]

Leveling each tank class and going through normal raid to see which I wanna main through the rest of the xpack

[graceful kite]

yes dwarf for tank NE of dwarf for others

[ornate pulsar]

And I can play with my horde friends still?

[grizzled acorn]

you can realistically tho if you wanna be horde youll be fine its very minscule

[mellow quartz]

No, they are filthy scum.

[simple drum]

Approx what keys can we do at ilvl 603?

[jagged pier]

whatever u feel comfortable doing

if u can get into that lvl is another question

[eager geode]

is it worth crafting 619 ilvl ?

till u get acess to 636 ?

[tribal wharf]

i feel like few more delves will help long run

got another map

[snow oyster]

do i burn at the stake if i macro ignore pain into some abilities

[sweet summit]

yes :3

[mighty valley]

you’ll constantly be like “damn i got no rage to press anything”

[tribal wharf]

black edge functions how

goes only on me and i have to move out of it after its area gets locked into place

something about adds too

hits for 4m

[rotund scaffold]

Hey, any idea how to check how much damage ceaseless swarmgland from ara-kara has mitigated ?

[silk kiln]

My ignore pain button is macrod with shield slam. But I have an independent shield slam bind too

[snow oyster]

my old hands suffer with 2 off gcd buttons + high haste sometimes

[tribal wharf]

ffs LOL

whyyyyyyyy nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

i dont need trinket

[nimble zodiac]

guys how do you deal with the first boss from stonevault? the debuff mecanic

[bronze wraith]

The first boss, I eat a pillar immediately and let the dps blow up 2

[nimble zodiac]

the tank mecanic i mean

[polar storm]

does prot ignore pain shield exceed max health? for example if im 9m/9m health and i smack ignore pain will it go over 9m or will it just add nothing

[tropic tangle]

IP is an absorb

[merry sluice]

bro peopel are insufferable

[tropic tangle]

so yes, you can have max health + IP on top of that

[polar storm]

so if i just smap ignore pain ill just stack and absorb over and over is that just how prot warrior works lmao

[tropic tangle]

p much

[graceful kite]

healer job

[bronze wraith]

The dispel? It hurts, but I think that is a healer mechanic

[graceful kite]

you can't do lfg content like lfr random bgs and heroic/levelind dungeons crossfaction

[bronze wraith]

I have done 4 stone vault so far and it is Boss 2-3 that is a disaster

[graceful kite]

everything else works

[waxen frigate]

Yes up to a certain cap on ignore pain’s pool

I don’t remember what that cap is off the top of my head though

Something like a third of your hp

[bronze wraith]

Is the reinforced wax plating any good? It is like 28k damage from all sources. It helps with magic dots and bleeds alot

[tropic tangle]

wax plating is not good

[eager geode]

Beledar's Bulwark any good ?

for m+

[jagged pier]

no

[tribal wharf]

hi

[bronze wraith]

What are good trinkets. Swarmlords authority is 20% of my mitigation but I don't know what else to take

[tribal wharf]

eggs

[round pendant]

Did they stealth nerf a bunch of dungeons?

[tribal wharf]

eggs swarmgland, hammer

[round pendant]

mists was giga easy

NW was giga easy

[ionic fern]

They have always been easy..

[round pendant]

lol

In comparison to yesterday*

[ionic fern]

I don't feel any noticeable difference.

[bronze wraith]

Is refracting aggression module any good? Short cd, taunt into massive shield that compliments ignore pain

[gritty violet]

go to wowhead, look at trinket list

[jagged pier]

nope

[round pendant]

People stepping on fox hurt like half as much and the timings felt different

Felt like less of a shitshow today

it wasn't HARD before but it was certainly punishing in pugs

[bronze wraith]

They have swarmlords authority at a c and I don't trust that list from that alone

[nimble zodiac]

I dont get the debuff sometimes

And i die

[bronze wraith]

That is weird. I don't know 😦

Are tank trinkets any good? It feels like everything is all about damage

[jagged pier]

because tank trinkets are bad

they dont save you from anything

and wont stop any meaningful damage

[ebon geyser]

for the love of god... is there a way to do mist puzzle and the fairy btch adds easier? like wa or addon

[jagged pier]

yes

[ebon geyser]

i havent time one... not even a 2

[jagged pier]

u do the puzzle

the puzzle is literally the odd one out

its one of 6 things

[tribal wharf]

changed my pfp

[mellow quartz]

You are just doing to low of a key to feel it. Stepping on the fox 1 shots in appropriate content still.

[ebon geyser]

i cant do the puzzle thats why i need a wa or addon

[round pendant]

yes that's not what I'm talking about

The fact is it's seemingly not one shotting in low keys like it was yesterday

it did like 30%

so I'm just asking if there's been some hotfixes/stealth nerfs

[mellow quartz]

Nope

Mist is actually a really hard key when you get to 12+. The timer ended up being super tight on beta with the added health.

[round pendant]

it's just strange cause last night we did some +4 mists and it went to shit (rogue kept stepping on the fox)

then today we did a +4 again

and people still stepped on the fox but nothing hurt??

[mellow quartz]

People have different ilvl and hp 🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

this is pointless

but yeah np

[tropic tangle]

without logs it's feelycraft. they did do other tuning, and i feel like it's ALWAYS possible that something unintended gets changed when they do anything

[round pendant]

oh that's a good point

[ebon geyser]

i did a 4 and the fox was insta spawning on top of ppl

[round pendant]

I have logs I'll just look at those

[lofty veldt]

Hey friends! I’m still really new to the game and I was wondering what to look for as points of improvement when running keys, I tried running a +4 today and I was getting melted but I was fine on +3.

Is there a way for me to identify my mistakes or what to look for? Thanks in advance!

[ebon geyser]

logs

[tropic tangle]

yeah, log runs. can see your blocked %, wasted rage, etc.

[lofty veldt]

Do I use warcraftlogs for that I’m assuming?

[tropic tangle]

other piece of the puzzle for tanks is preparation, knowing the dungeon, your route, dangerous spots, etc.

[lofty veldt]

Knowing the dungeon is definitely a challenge for me currently but I think that’ll get solved with times

I just worry I’m developing bad habits

[smoky anvil]

Get method dungeon tools, check over the routes, and then study a little on what you can spell reflect. Then just make sure you’re popping something on each pull. Avatar and shield wall come off cd quick if you’re playing properly, demo shout is on a short cd as well.

[digital plinth]

How come my Mad Queen's Mandate dmg tooltip goes down by like 50% when I go from Fury to Prot? Does prot have some lower dmg scaling?

[lofty veldt]

Okay I think something I’ve been neglecting is spell reflect usage

[tribal wharf]

BLIZZARD

no more trinket

i dont need any more

[smoky anvil]

I got 2 of those shitty fang trinkets in a row the other day

Was livid

[tribal wharf]

im running these for gear

getting nothing at all but trinkets

well, i will use some of them, see how i like it

[tropic tangle]

damage is nerfed for tank specs across the board

something like 66% effectiveness

[agile anchor]

prob asked a thousand times sorry but what should i craft at 619 shield or bracers? bracers is way higher ilvl upgrade.

[young lance]

brothers, i come to you in need. How do i keep demolish/spear/roar on my bard when changing specs? No matter what i do when i chsnge hero talents/talents, those three abilities never stay at all, or they move somewhere else no matter how many times i put it back in its place lmao

[smoky anvil]

Wowhead guide says lowest ilvl pieces then consider shield.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proud dock]

are the sac brood stacks perma, unless you die?

[tropic tangle]

once the timer expires, they are consumed and do damage on your next ability

timers are individual / concurrent, so refreshing with a new stack does not reset the timers on existing stacks

[tribal wharf]

well

i got shoulders, transmog is always good

[runic hatch]

I hate CoT 3rd boss

Or just City

[raw parcel]

This season is rough, holy shit.

[torn gulch]

last boss is ridiculous
not for me but for the rest of the party

[raw parcel]

Dragonflight probably made keys a little too easy, but this is an over-correction.

[torn gulch]

and second boss frost cricle if not soaked

[leaden grail]

any of you doing 10s on prot? Im still gearing mine, doing +5 and stuff, and I must say I have not yet lost hp, even on magic dmg or bleeds.

feels kinda op but might be a low-ish key thing

[sweet quiver]

Hey everyone 🙂 on Dread Captain Lockwood (Siege of Boralus), does Thunder Clap keep her from jumping away? I'm literally spamming it on her, but she jumps nonetheless. Is this intended?

[tropic tangle]

I mean S3 df was pretty easy overall, then s4 was a meme

[torn gulch]

it should keep her from jumping

sometimes it doesn't

[tropic tangle]

plus it's fresh expac, so everyone starts further behind the ball for M+

[torn gulch]

10s are a completely different beast compared to 5s this season

[sweet quiver]

Thank you! 🙂

[torn gulch]

but warrior is strong

in keys at the moment

[raw parcel]

Yeah, latter half DF was a bit too easy. Would have liked them to go back to season 1 and 2 style, but this? What are they fucking thinking? o.O

[torn gulch]

there are some bosses which are actually insane

both mechanically and damage

last boss in CoT is more difficult that any boss in classic or SoD

mechanically wise

or last boss grim baton where you have dark tentacles on dark surface with big boss that covers everything

and you can't see shit

[leaden grail]

Have you done the CoT boss since the nerf? its a game changer in my eyes

[torn gulch]

i did the splice nerf is like pissing in the wind
i have no problem on that boss

the rest of the party has

[raw parcel]

Stitchflesh is the boss who has earned my hatred the most, so far. :x

[leaden grail]

im just dodging necrotic wake completely

[torn gulch]

i've done an 8 there

[leaden grail]

i really enjoy the whole dungeon pool, but necrotic wake is a no-go zone

[torn gulch]

sent 3 spears 2 orbs on stitchflesh

[leaden grail]

i guess i cant say the whole dungeon pool when one of the dungeons is the stuff of nightmares ..

[torn gulch]

i've done a bunch of 9s to rerrol my key and i keep getting stonevault grim batol necrotic
did a mists 9+2 into 11 necrotic

dead key

had to lower it to 9 and reroll again

[raw parcel]

I've been struggling in 7s just to try to get some hero loot (gotten one piece so far, yay :D)

[silent sphinx]

bashed my head against stone vault non stop today

the speakers are brutal if the DPS isn't great or the healer isn't pulling their weight

[tribal wharf]

well, no more delves for me i guess, got boots

[raw parcel]

Done Mists and Siege 7, tried NW 7 and Stitchflesh made us into his fleshpuppet gimps.

[silent sphinx]

this is also my first time playing WoW, what really worked for me was using my defensive call downs instead of saving them (especially the shout which reduces every enemies damage)

[agile anchor]

So whirlwind, rend and slam arent on my bars. Is this normal? I feel like we never need to use them or am I stupid

[silent sphinx]

uh rend gets auto applied

whirlwind makes no sense when you have the other AoE, ravage?

[raw parcel]

Oh, yeah, use your cooldowns as you get them (though not all at once) is generally what is advised, so you have higher uptime. Though obviously if some big hit is coming soon you can hold one for that.

[silent sphinx]

and any rage spent on slam would be better on ignore pain/ravage/execute

[raw parcel]

Slam? o.O

We don't use slam as protection, unless I'm wildly wrong. I don't even have it keybound.

[toxic pewter]

no shield off mythic ulgrax REEEEE i did get some shoulders tho

[leaden grail]

no slam ever. it doesnt proc the shield slam resets so its a dead button

[devout basalt]

what do u guys do for opener?

in df i did charge > avatar > sb > ss

[raw parcel]

Shield Charge, unga bunga

[devout basalt]

but now tb is a thing, should u use that before ss?

[silent sphinx]

uh

[mighty valley]

ravager from range, charge + ava + sb, tb for initial aggro if needed, demo, spear, shield charge, do rotation

[silent sphinx]

doesnt avatar reset thunder clap?

[jagged gust]

sure do

[silent sphinx]

charge - > thunder clap -> shield -> avatar -> shout to reduce damage -> shield/thunder

that's my usual go to

[mighty valley]

where are all your other offensive cds

[jagged gust]

Ask most people here who push keys and you'll find out the opener changes every single pull

just get your shit on CD and you'll be a happy clam

[silent sphinx]

pretty much, there's the spear/spinny axey thingy which i use one or the other for rage regen

the AoE spender if i have pain tolerence already up

[jagged gust]

technically you use ravager before pull, but honestly I can't give enough of a fuck to actually do it, I just put in on a @player macro

[devout basalt]

same

[silent sphinx]

makes sense for damage, but in the initial salvo i don't find myself hurting for rage

so i hold off a little before i do

[mighty valley]

Ravager before pull is so helpful imo, saves a gcd, gives initial aggro and a rage buffer

[jagged gust]

it's just an efficient way to spend GCDs, that's all

[devout basalt]

sounds dangerous to run in without sb up

even for one global

[silent sphinx]

charge gives you SB

the AoE one, not sure of the name

[jagged gust]

oh fuck you're shield charging on pull?

[devout basalt]

oh you're shield chargeing?

[silent sphinx]

if the mobs are close togheter yeah

if not is charge -> sb

[jagged gust]

charge =/= shield charge

[mighty valley]

should hold shield charge til after everything’s gathered and preferably after avatar and demo are up

[jagged gust]

also you're losing rage by not opening with charge

[toxic pewter]

I am officially in the race to world first

I am in a pug and we 559th mythic ulgrax kill in the world

[bronze wraith]

Why do we use heavy repercussions instead of the haste buff

[mighty valley]

apb elite… I’ve always been saying this

[mighty valley]

shield block uptime in m+

[bronze wraith]

Wouldn't 8% haste be better for shield block uptime?

[mighty valley]

No

[real fossil]

How many attempts sheesh

[tribal wharf]

8% haste from stats

so, whatever your current haste rating is, add 8% of that onto itself

[bronze wraith]

30-32% haste feels good

[leaden grail]

im sitting at a comfortable 11% right now :3

[toxic pewter]

10 wipes 1 kill

[mellow quartz]

join a +11 Mist, do more dps than the ele shaman....

fun times

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/pfb2SFb.png

colossus go BRRRR

actually colossus low keys are so fun

just mindlessly spamming revenge and doing dumb dmg

is a nice break from thane

[shadow haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-engineer-engineer-tf2-tf2engineer-gif-22691307

any of you engineers?

[thick otter]

lads what do i do about riptide shredder in SoB?

the bleed is crazy

Singing Steel

[strong forum]

Huh

[strong forum]

You just kill the mob or

[thick otter]

yea but my healer is complaining

[strong forum]

Que

[thick otter]

that it ticks for like 1 mil in a 10

[strong forum]

Pop shield wall idk

You can't really do anything else

Cuz you can't avoid it

[thick otter]

damn

[strong forum]

Be in d-stance do your rotation

[waxen orbit]

Soyvault

[mellow quartz]

you are not getting the 10% vers buff with that route

[waxen orbit]

What vers buff?

I wanna know this stuff

I got a 10 of it in my bag

[full thicket]

Blacksmithing/dwarf buff before mech boss

[waxen orbit]

Oh SHIT

[mellow quartz]

click the thing on the ground in the corner with that pack

10% vers for 10min

for the group

[strong forum]

That's a cringe route

[waxen orbit]

It is

[strong forum]

I just pressed W, no skips

[waxen orbit]

I took it off keystoneguru

[strong forum]

Easy +2

[waxen orbit]

That first pull

is the most terrorist shit

I ever seen

[strong forum]

Pull 11 is way too small

[waxen orbit]

Ya

[strong forum]

And so is pull 13

You triple up left side first pull

Then 12+13 together

Rest is just hold W

[zealous goblet]

you have the power to say it is bis, and 80% of the population will blindly follow, myself included

[strong forum]

It aint

[zealous goblet]

i know

[strong forum]

It's just fun to play like a dps in low keys

[zealous goblet]

i'm telling you to say it is so you can play it more without many people batting an eye

what good is a position of power and fame if you don't exploit it and impose your will on weaker men

[strong forum]

I just see the fruits of my labour on the wcl pages

That alone is enough

[zealous goblet]

ugh no fun

i bet you aren't even racist

fake wow player

[strong forum]

[graceful stump]

Does anyone have an opinion on the Throngus Finger trinket from grim batol? ofc no dmg gain but in terms of survivability is it actually worth using

[strong forum]

You get ~15% dodge

So it's pretty powerful in large pulls, but rng

Rng in the sense of it cd

Less than "dodging important things"

Cuz nothing that is important you plan around avoiding it, you plan cds for it

It's very strong vs melee dmg but you'd rather get a good dmg trinket

[zealous goblet]

they should add sappers back into wow

https://tenor.com/view/gary-theres-a-bomb-spongebob-gif-26971038

[graceful stump]

yeah that would make sense, melee already being strong seems pointless to not take dmg

cheers

[strong forum]

It's not that it's pointless it's moreso that the general gain of having dmg trinkets is more impactful

The trinket could very well turn a scary pull into a breeze, if the pull is large enough, for example NW first pull when you triple up

That's a very scary pull for the tank, so the dodge on that pull would provide incredible value

But gigantic pulls like that are hardly a thing this season

Very few dungeons even give you the chance of doing a pull of that size aside from mists and nw

Ara ara first pull you can also go massive

[merry sluice]

Anyone been seeing dps just consistently pulling the most brain dead terrorist shit in keys? I swear it has been insane lately.

Big fan of the warlock pulling bosses with his pet while on trash, or the evoker deciding we’re doing the all-destroyer route

[strong forum]

But those mobs aren't scary to begin with for tank

I don't pug so I can't comment on that

It's turbo early into the season so wouldn't surprise me that alot of people do terrorist pulls

Thinking they gotta go hard

When just slow and steady +2s your key especially on +10

It's not as fun, but it times keys

[pallid quiver]

GB keys for me have often gone poorly because people just butt pull every last possible thing

[trim condor]

yep, wantedd to ask. this season, is somehow most ninja pullling I ever seen

[strong forum]

People not knowing dungeons, being impatient or pretending to know better

[graceful stump]

yeah that sounds accurate, I'm probably just going to farm Mark of Khardros for now

[pallid quiver]

It's also the single most amount I've seen of DPS and Healers telling me what to do

[trim condor]

just had it in +8 NW, healer pulled for me, I had 1M hps on packs and we were 15% over, overtime 3 sec. I dunno what is happening

[pallid quiver]

And if I don't listen, they normally just drop group

[strong forum]

Kek

[merry sluice]

Out of the past 10 GBs I’ve done all bricked naturally every single one has had a shaman or mage say “okay I can” at the start to decursing

Then proceed to tell me half way through “oh i took that off my bars”

[trim condor]

I feel like Dawnbreaker is number one, people just land somewhere, and suddenly youre doing MDI pull

[pallid quiver]

It's a lot of people thinking they're mega hot shit when they are, in fact, not hot shit. I have also run into a few really cool nice people who, as an aside, were the best players I've seen all season

[tropic tangle]

normalize landing on top of buildings lol

[pallid quiver]

It's a wonder what not pushing your whole self-worth onto a video game does for your awareness. At least, that's what I figure is going on

Since this xpac has been the most toxic I've seen overall in a hot minute

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-black-kid-gif-4937950

[trim condor]

yeah, I timedd +9 scithe 1 hour ago and it wass top notch group. But 90% of time, I havee abominations, I never had this bad pugs ever. Its eveen worse than late pushing of season

[merry sluice]

This week alone has legitimately been worse than anything I saw in Df, save for the one guy who called me racial slurs for not going right first in s4 neltharus

[silent sphinx]

my favourite has been outhealing my healer as a prot warrior

it's uh something

[trim condor]

I am wondering why is that. Maybe because keys aree capped around 10 for pugs and people are used to doing up to 10 from previous seasons

[shy python]

Why are there different values?

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, that should be the expected end result, since most damage in M+ is avoidable

[zealous goblet]

ignore pain stacks UP TO 2.4mil

you get 666k per cast of it it seems

[pallid quiver]

I can't read your Euro language, but IP gives an amount of absorb up to a cap of 30% max HP

[shy python]

Ah yeah right

[zealous goblet]

this does not matter because you still press it to heal 2% hp as a rage dump and recap it constantly

[shy python]

thanks 🙂

[zealous goblet]

since it's off gcd

[trim condor]

mm, not sure about that. All healing checks are not avoidable

[dry wraith]

Was the lava fist reflect hot fix intentional or is it bugged does anyone know

[zealous goblet]

sounds like a mythic raider to me

[trim condor]

thats the grim batol one? I am curious aswell, my spell reflect does less dmg in +7 now than it was doing in +0 last week

[lusty grotto]

it was hotfixed

days ago

its a deflect now

so it is what it is

[trim condor]

whats the point of spell reflect if half spells are deflected lol

[lusty grotto]

no damage taken?

same reason why AV bosses didnt hurt us

on high keys

[trim condor]

the it should be spell deflect ability

[lusty grotto]

i mean

idk why youre complaining

VDHs had a hella time on leymore and last boss

[merry sluice]

Fuck vdh

[graceful kite]

not taking damage as a tank?

or as a dps

both pretty cool

[lusty grotto]

immunities are bad, i guess

[trim condor]

yeah and they had hella fun time on trash when locking them

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

tell me you didnt do high keys without telling me you didnt do high keys

complains about VDH cc

very typical

[merry sluice]

thank god for chaos brand nerfs on god

[lusty grotto]

people still dont understand why VDH was meta lol

"it was the CC"

[merry sluice]

i think the bigger issue is they think its one reason

[lusty grotto]

yea

[merry sluice]

its cc definitely contribued

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[merry sluice]

but it was not the reason

[trim condor]

I did 27 on my dh, you could solo trash with aug evoker before neerfs to sigil

ddunno why are you talking about

[lusty grotto]

imagine immuning the 2 gigantic tank busters WITH spell reflect, while VDH are sweating on tyrannical

spell reflect bad i guess

leymore effectively did 0 damage to warrior

[rough quest]

is everyone crafting nerubian weapon instead of lens off pieces?

[lusty grotto]

reflect, and leap frontal, ez

[merry sluice]

tbf

i'd say so could my ppally though itd be slow as fuck
and so could my bdk.

but group dmg would be dog compared to having a vdh in it

[halcyon crest]

quick question: Can someone confirm or deny, that you can have double duskthread embellishment? It doesnt seem to give the buff twice

[tribal wharf]

about the delve potion trinket,

i see it has a bar attached to it like a cast bar

is this a channel and thus we cannot block in that peroid

[lusty grotto]

you can

you just have to reset the buff

jump up from your mount, go below 80%

hp

and it'll reset

dying also works

same bug that BSL had in DF

[halcyon crest]

ok thx, that worked. I panicked for a sec thinking i just screwed up embellishments and had to recraft

[tribal wharf]

oh, i was testing the water dmg trinket i got

it last like 3-5 seconds i think, and the area for dealing dmg is quite generous

its only a 60 second CD as well, so it comes back fast, i like trinkets like that with a short cd

[proud dock]

should i trust sims or is there something wonky when trying to sim sac?

[boreal minnow]

hello, is the throngus finger decent trinket for prot?

[tribal wharf]

i imagine the dodge is better on other tanks since we block most melees or parry them

1.35m ss crit on some random quest mob

[zinc cobalt]

hi, any have a WA of ignore pain and that works in TWW?

[tulip warren]

hello all qick help would you prefer this trinket https://www.wowhead.com/item=219318/oppressive-orators-larynx?bonus=657:10358:5982:7981 or this trinket https://www.wowhead.com/item=219300/skarmorak-shard?bonus=657:10358:5982:7981 for m+

[tribal wharf]

thats how large the area for the trinket is

[foggy ingot]

Anyone have a Duskthread/Dawnthread uptime weak aura?

[frosty mango]

It’s a cast, not a channel, and I believe the answer is no you cannot block while casting it

Unless it changed at some point afaik castbar of any kind = no block

[thick otter]

why does dorki say prot is the best tank, doesn't have good utility and isn't tankiest either

tankiest vs meeles maybe but i get one magic dot on me and i'm cheems

[urban portal]

Press buttons

[thick otter]

but why would you take prot warr when you can take blood or guardian or even prot pally

[alpine silo]

anyone know what % haste we need to be at to switch to "into the fray" and not lose shield block uptime

[main vault]

Prot Pally? 🤣🤣🤣

[tribal wharf]

appears like you can block while using it, but it puts you in wrapping when you transform, and seeming you cannot block during that part of it i guess

[thick otter]

if they can live they have 10x the utility of prot warr

[main vault]

Living is very important

[thick otter]

turns out it's not even that hard (as prot pally)

[main vault]

Prot War is very good rn

Easily top 2 or 3 if not the best

[waxen frigate]

Not really

And prot pally is ass

[tribal wharf]

we can deal with magic damage too

but paladin and other tanks have hard counters to it

we have soft counters for it, except for relfect and shield wall

which dont last long

paladin just dispells it, and dk is LOL deathstirke

[waxen frigate]

There is very little threatening magic that Paladin can just dispel. Only diseases and poisons unless they’re using bubble

[tribal wharf]

is it you have to be healer to dispell magic as any class mostly

[mighty valley]

yes

historically paladins are good vs casters due to silence effects

[tribal wharf]

well, still, they can remove alot of debuffs we cant

1 button and it no longer exists to deal dmg to them

[proper roost]

Every healer can dispel magic by default

[waxen frigate]

Yea

[calm whale]

Does fast footwork not work currently?

[waxen frigate]

But only healers can dispel magic mostly

[proper roost]

Spriest can do it with mass dispel (+other specs can self dispel with things like bubble/iceblock) that's it for addition

idk what else yogi is talking about i'm making pasta

[tribal wharf]

mass dispell is just that

works on everything

[mighty valley]

not super relevant to the tank utility conversation though eh

[tulip warren]

i mean there is always a tank shortage, we will always be wanted

[thick otter]

not a huge sample size

but still

[mighty valley]

that gap is way too small and the sample size is too tiny to declare anyone S and others C

[thick otter]

the tiers arekinda meme

[mighty valley]

but i hate most of these tier lists based on scraped data

clearly all the tanks can do decent sized keys

[tribal wharf]

i gotta try push some keys see what i can run

[proper roost]

isn't the current limitation for everyone just dps

also, no one serious is trying to push rn anyway

[tribal wharf]

just want ksm and then im done though

[proper roost]

its gearing time only for the next few weeks at least

[tribal wharf]

lots of steam sales lately

[soft tusk]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml#

Is this still good info? outdated?

[south zealot]

bc prot is very good

utility isnt real

[spark mortar]

So what are we crafting for Protection with the Empowered Crests anyway?

[south zealot]

they have a fantastic stun

good damage

lives a lot

[south zealot]

last updated yesterday

good information

[south zealot]

all the tanks are within 23 score of eachother lol

nobody is even doign 12s right now

theres 0 relevant data to gather from that chart

besides whats most popular if you want to know that

[cerulean tusk]

If I get brought in to tank on the regular, I wouldnt worry about getting a spot or content to do. Yet, noone is suprised when warr aint the meta pick

[dawn geode]

that prot pally is probably just yoda lol

[pastel remnant]

i already craft my shield..what the next item should i craft ?

[cerulean tusk]

Next in line will prob be a weapon in the value ladder

[pallid quiver]

ur a weapon

[waxen frigate]

oh this dogshit archon tier list again

[dense cradle]

does shield ilvl influence shield slam damage

[pallid quiver]

No

It's based off your attack power and everything involved in that

[waxen frigate]

shield ilvl does however influence block

which is pwarr's biggest thing

[pallid quiver]

Shield ilvl just gives you block value, and is the only source of block value from gear

[pastel remnant]

saw alot crafting belt and bracer...is it better to start with that or with shield/weapon?

[waxen frigate]

depends on your situation imo

shield and weapon are both very accessible from first boss of raid

[pallid quiver]

Depends if you can reasonably get a high ilvl shield/wep fast

[pastel remnant]

no i cant

[waxen frigate]

but if you really dont like raiding and/or don't have a guild, you might want to just craft

[dense cradle]

fair but damage is calculated off the stats given by your gear

[pallid quiver]

If you can't, those are the biggest gains upfront

[waxen frigate]

a shield will be your best early upgrade period, but in the long run you'll want the other stuff

[grim pilot]

protility

is very very good rn

I'm tanking keys on prot and not taking any damage

[pastel remnant]

i like raid and M+ but i will not raid alot in Mythic for now so

[grim pilot]

vs a good vdh (multi 3.8+) not always struggling but just needing much more healers attention than me

[waxen frigate]

well even the heroic weapon/shield

are going to be good

[dense cradle]

vdh just feels spooky

the first 2-3 seconds

[waxen frigate]

vdh is currently experiencing post-meta cringe

where a bunch of fotm rerollers who played the easiest/strongest tank in the game's history are now faced with having to play a normal tank spec

[pallid quiver]

And it's still quite good overall

[waxen frigate]

vdh is good yes

[sick sentinel]

Guardian Druid better

[waxen frigate]

but it is no longer literal hyperbraindead but can still get title

[grim pilot]

I'll never trust the "best ever tank" kind of saying since people say that every season there's a meta tank

[waxen frigate]

vdh was kinda diffy man

literally 2 button rotaiton

[dense cradle]

last resort scales players

[grim pilot]

I mean

bear

in s2

literally unkillable

[waxen frigate]

and could do all of the dungeon by themselves

[grim pilot]

even if you were omega shit

[waxen frigate]

so was vdh

[main walrus]

sim

[grim pilot]

not rly

[waxen frigate]

except your entire team also unkillable

because you perma silence everything

[pastel remnant]

if i will raid heroic for sure..should i craft a belt if i already crafted myt shield? i could get a sword in heroic

[soft aspen]

bear is unkillable now aswell no?

[pallid quiver]

VDH was quite similar, and they both stemmed from the same thing of scaling pretty freely off pull size

[waxen frigate]

bear is always pretty unkillable

[grim pilot]

it was giga strong but it's a bit harder than bear to be good at

[waxen frigate]

same with pwarr

the thing is

you could be dogshit at vdh last 2 seasons

and get title

[grim pilot]

yeah

[waxen frigate]

and a lot of people did

[grim pilot]

xd

[waxen frigate]

and its gonna be a rude awakening

[soft aspen]

now you can be dogshit at bear and get title

[grim pilot]

good players will adapt

bad players will struggle

[south zealot]

any meta tank

[pallid quiver]

meanwhile, i'm over here struggling to get past 2nd boss Heroic raid. Impossible fight, there's just an infinite swarm of adds constantly being summoned for some reason that's definitely a tank's fault

[waxen frigate]

Lmao what

[pastel remnant]

@waxen frigate if i will raid heroic for sure..should i craft a belt if i already crafted myt shield? i could get a sword in heroic?

[dense cradle]

I feel I rarely see brews in this game

No matter their state

[waxen frigate]

Hi resident brew main here

[pallid quiver]

I've been top 3-5 DPS in almost all of my BH attempts tonight so far

[waxen frigate]

We haven’t been meta in severa xpacs and nobody really understands how we work

[dense cradle]

Besides people who play it as a raid tank

[pallid quiver]

people don't like to hit the casters

[dense cradle]

for monk buff

[grim pilot]

tank I've boosting with the last 2 days

[waxen frigate]

And the spec looks complex from the outside

[grim pilot]

logs brew instead of vdh for necrotic wake

he just feels safer

in +10 as brew

xd

[dense cradle]

is the spec still button bloated

[waxen frigate]

Brew is great in NW except last boss which is hyper cancer as brew

[dense cradle]

heard thats why many dont play it

[grim pilot]

no clue never played it

[waxen frigate]

Not really

But it’s not a 3 button spec

[cerulean tusk]

d'aww, I needed that

[pallid quiver]

Brew lost a non-zero amount of buttons, but it still has a non-zero amount to press

[waxen frigate]

Lots of core rotational abilities but there’s no rng or variation really it’s just a rhythm you settle into

The entire spec can be broken down into 4-gcd windows

That you kinda just plug into different situations

[dense cradle]

Yeah guess thats going to offput some people.

[waxen frigate]

It’s also just unforgiving if you don’t use your CDs

Stagger isn’t what it once was

[dense cradle]

like vdh have a cd up or dead?

[waxen frigate]

No

[dense cradle]

or worse than that

[waxen frigate]

Just need to use them smart

And people talent the terrible passive options instead

[robust urchin]

can't main tank in raids
guild constantly asks me to tank their m+ keys

[waxen frigate]

Then say they have no defensives to press

[pallid quiver]

You'll bleed out and won't get instant clapped, but you need to use your CDs wisely over time

[robust urchin]

[waxen frigate]

main tank in raids
hard to get guild keys because healers all refuse to heal keys and only want to Dps

[pallid quiver]

every time i press fort brew, it feels like i'll never see the button again, even though I mentally know that gets CDR'd to hell

[waxen frigate]

Yeah people go wahhh 4/6min CD

it’s like 2.5min

[grim pilot]

nobody wants to tank keys in my guild lmao

[waxen frigate]

For a massive wall

[grim pilot]

I'm a dps main and I've tanked for my guild group

[robust urchin]

Low blow them to the nuts and give them a stone cold stunner

[dusk bramble]

How do i unlock this nowadays?? https://www.wowhead.com/item=139580/burning-plate-of-the-worldbreaker#comments

[grim pilot]

even tho fury kinda fun in keys now

[dense cradle]

wow players tend to overhold

any cd 3mins or longer

[waxen frigate]

Brew is a big offender because like

Fort brew is up every other pack

And people think it’s some insane cd

[robust urchin]

I wouldn't mind that much but I only have veteran shield and weapon

Because you know I have to get the good stuff as fury first

[grim pilot]

i've been tanking 10's with veteran shield, it's fine

[waxen frigate]

And then they go “oh this is so weak for a 6min CD”

[pallid quiver]

i mean it is if you're playing wrong