protection

[graceful kite]

Sanctum of domination lets goo

[carmine zodiac]

Ok, I see, thanks for ur answers mate

[molten gorge]

what addon / wa are people using for timer and mob count cause WarpDeplete is wrong for me atm

[graceful kite]

I used angry keystones b4, doing it raw with mdt planning now

Only necrotic wake shows wrong count

[vague abyss]

i use WarpDeplete and it also have wrong count

[placid magnet]

I just realised the side effect, after a week using it 🤯 omg i couldn't understand why y felt so slow some time - but it was just a hast drop

[jagged pier]

just press w

[graceful kite]

I'm pulling narzudah and a portal guy in the first area now

[jagged pier]

thats literally what the dungeons are designed for

[graceful kite]

But I didn't do 10

[vague abyss]

ill had to actually do it via MDT to figure why i was missing so much % in Necrotic Wake

[molten gorge]

mmm it's more the timer I want than the count

currently WarpDeplete adds wrong amount for death it seems

[graceful kite]

Mdt is wrong for me too unless its updated

Basically you have to do narzudah+whole first area except for portal boys (I still pull one)

[vague abyss]

#protection message
I did a route without pulling a single Gatekeeper

you literally have to kill everything else basically

[graceful kite]

Gatekeepers arent hard without fort still

[vague abyss]

idk i dont remember having to do a full dungeon clear in shadowlands

that is wrong somehow

[graceful kite]

They do aoe once in a while and summon 1 tank damage trash mob

They changed count

Still an easy dungeon except for 3rd boss

[vague abyss]

the people who dont know that throw cleave can hit mods x.x

i cri a little bit everytime they dont position to cleave the assistants before 3rd boss

[graceful kite]

How hard is city of threads btw

[molten gorge]

ya this is the same route I've been doing 🤝

[graceful kite]

I havent done it at all and I have a +10 of it in a bag

[molten gorge]

tho one time I missed a pack at the beginning

[vague abyss]

yep me too :v

[graceful kite]

Im told 2nd boss is actually ok and last is destroying the group

[carmine zodiac]

most of top wartanks on rio dont use lining embellishments, does someone know why?

[graceful kite]

No, but they're not really top wartanks probably

They're just grinding

After rwf ends big boys will come and will crush everything and get top spots with actual meta

[carmine zodiac]

Okay mate, thanks again

[molten gorge]

last boss is "okay" if you're video gaming ig

did it on a 9 early

took us quite a few wipes to figure out the best play

stacking on the tank seemed to be it, and moving with the orbs (plus also stacked for the webs)

and then there's quite a bit of unavoidable damage

warrior kinda stonks, can spell reflect his big aoe bolt (it was my highest dmg iirc)

we needed a CD for basically all the AoE slams, either personal or whatever

definitely a little overtuned imo, but not as bad as hook boy

[unreal abyss]

unless we'll finally see more than one team comp 🤞

[marble cipher]

I mean, there's not really that many good embellishments anyway, the linings are fine, focusing lens is fine (more st, but still good), other then that...

[spare viper]

is rav on the gcd?

[jagged pier]

yes

[spare viper]

and spear too?

[jagged pier]

yes

[spare viper]

fugma

ty

[tender reef]

77% before you go up to 3. Boss so the frost ghost should push you to 77 if not you gotta go back and kill more

I learned that yesterday

[thorny stone]

are we stuck with running tome as one of our trinkets until its nerfed? i feel like its outdpsing every trinket that i have looted (cant sim tome)

[jagged pier]

yes

well there are probably trinkets at a certain lvl

but tome is massively overbudget for raid at least

[pallid quiver]

"Concoction: Kiss of Death Concoction: Kiss of Death now requires players administering the antidote to jump instead of using the trinket again."

I'm going to fucking die

i was already building that muscle memory, blizz, why you gotta do this to me

[jagged pier]

u dont jump as part of your rotation?

i literally jump all the time

[pallid quiver]

if you jump as part of your rotation, then you don't get the full benefit

[jagged pier]

i dont use the trinket

[pallid quiver]

i do because it sim best of what i got

[vague abyss]

wait, wth? jumping?! oh no, literally unplayable trinket now

[pallid quiver]

The most notable thing is that if you get rooted or something similar now, you can't clear the trinket

[graceful kite]

imagine just removing the cancer part

but blizz gotta blizz

[hollow sphinx]

is there any new thing what embelishments we should use and / or the spark?

[jagged pier]

all the info it written in the wowhead and icy veins guides, as there hadnt appeared to be any tuning on them its probably safe to craft now

[hollow sphinx]

wtf, im using the trinket.... wth is this...

[robust urchin]

Just do math in your brain

[marble cipher]

What "tome" trinket is it that you mean that's quite good?

[jagged pier]

u cant get it anymore

so dont think about it

it will be back in S2

[marble cipher]

I got the pre-season trinkets in my bags
So, I'll think about it 😉

[jagged pier]

well if u have it

then u should probably use it for raid at least

its perma 2k crit and then 4k crit (for a fair bit of the time)

and just slaps the boss

does like 45kdps

without taking the crit into account

[robust urchin]

Are you guys talking about the priory book?

[jagged pier]

ye

[robust urchin]

You can still get it from the heroic can't you?

[jagged pier]

nope hc are S1 dungeons

im pretty sure

[marble cipher]

yeah, everything changed to S1 afaik

[robust urchin]

No way really?

[jagged pier]

yes really

we knew that was gunna happen

[robust urchin]

Can you still do normals at least? I have to farm some stupid trinkets for the stonevault mount

[marble cipher]

doesn't say anything about crit? Assume I have the "wrong" tome?

[jagged pier]

nope thats the correct tome

it just doesnt tell u what the trinket does

[marble cipher]

haha

good ol' blizz

[jagged pier]

thats what half the trinket does

but theres a whole other half

[marble cipher]

but, for M+ it's not worth it over Sacbrood or something I assume (equal ilvl, cause ara-kara fails to drop me a better one for now)

[jagged pier]

u cant sim it

no one has implmented the trinket in simc yet

but i still run tome and ara ara 593 cause i got nothing else to drop

[molten gorge]

ffs

[thorny stone]

i still run tome on m+, prio damage > padding

[marble cipher]

fair

[jagged pier]

over a whole dungeon it does a lot

and thats just the damage proc

[marble cipher]

and I assume (well, nobody can know for sure with hidden stuff) that it's only the tome that's bugged, not the other priory trinket (the Arathor Insignia)

[strong forum]

It's not bugged

The tooltip is just bad

[lucid nimbus]

Maybe most dont take it because it has no stats

[marble cipher]

and it's armor + absorb from the tooltip, which quite often we don't take anyway

or rather, is quite often considered sub-par

[lucid nimbus]

My skill level is sub par

[jagged pier]

same

[lucid nimbus]

😂

[jagged pier]

[lucid nimbus]

Highesr key ive done was a 6

[jagged pier]

higher than me

[lucid nimbus]

Going for 8 today

[bright ridge]

is anger management bugged? it doesnt appear to be reducing my ava CD atm

[hybrid fog]

Mine's working just fine

[bright ridge]

It was my macro, I set the icon to avatar apparently but I normally leave it "?" and let showtooltip handle it, I was looking at an ava icon but watching my trinket CD, lmao

[lucid nimbus]

😂

[hybrid fog]

😆

[hollow sphinx]

what to craft with our spark? dont find it on wowhead

[vague abyss]

our bis lists uses waist (Everforged Greatbelt) and wrist (Everforged Vambraces)

[raw parcel]

Well I can finally buy keys off that fucking murloc. That was time consuming.

And it is a cap of three across all characters, total. Not sure if it has a reset weekly or if that's seasonal/permanent, but wow is that not worth it.

[robust urchin]

Lots of brilliant minds around in this discord I see

[raw parcel]

I assumed it was going to be three keys for each character. >_>

[marble cipher]

zugzug brains

[wicked oriole]

For crafting I see they doing the belt and bracers but would it make sense to make a weapon if we can make a 619? Or just use the 619 Crest on the armor piece?

[stray granite]

Anyone ever equipped a new shield +35 ilvl and not gotten the HP increase?

This one if it matters, old one is 558

[vague abyss]

please rate my Dawnbreaker MDT 😄

i have a doubt, the "efficient" number of the big mobs, what does it mean? HP divided by count given?

[hoary pivot]

I would recommend pulling more in the church area and to leave out the single spiders / stuff in front of the north east leutnant

The church area is pretty dense and thus efficient

[vague abyss]

those mobs are in the inside or the outside of the church?, sorry i have only done this in m0 and i have literally never seen that church more xD

[hoary pivot]

Those are fine to do

The left one is inside on the balcony, the right ones are outside

[vague abyss]

ah i see, thanks, will edit the route accordingly

ok modified it, increased church pull, opened a bit more in the outside of the church area, removed big south spider to compensate, cleaned 2nd liutenant pull (although idk, every time people land there something is pulled anyways)

technically the west spider by the 2nd boss isnt needed, but damn i have found people also bodypull it, and clearing it gives a easy way to shoot orb towards

[graceful kite]

I pull like that

I start with 5 and 4 after

just gotta go inside together with group

[trim condor]

I just find out that I am running taalent for thunder blast afteer ddeemo shout. Was this go to talent at start or why I have it selected 😄

[plain helm]

My fellow clappers ,whats are we crafting?
Guide says shield + piece others say wrists belt only m+

[graceful kite]

if you aren't raiding mythic I suggest you craft a shield

if you raid mythic get lucky with 1st boss drop

[plain helm]

nah i dont wanna raid this tier at all

so shield + wrists?

[graceful kite]

I only crafted shield for now

[jagged pier]

no its if u arent going to farm 9s and above

or mythic raid

u can craft a shield

[graceful kite]

I have a very bad physical feeling inside when I spend gold

[plain helm]

nines i am gonna totally farm

[graceful kite]

you won't get myth track shield from 9s tho

[plain helm]

and 10s

thats nnot the point

[graceful kite]

and if you don't mythic raid you have to luck out with 3 vault slots and opening vault in prot with trash tank trinkets

[plain helm]

well i am still confused

[jagged pier]

u do from vault

[cinder sail]

craft 636 shield and open vault as fury for trinkets, keep your other two sparks for next week

[graceful kite]

3 slots and opening it in prot spec

[cinder sail]

pray u get 1h weapon

[graceful kite]

I might be in the wrong but I crafted a shield and am happy

gonna upgrade it to myth today and be even happier

[cinder sail]

if u open as prot and u get myth track finger trinket u cry

If u can stand doing one raid boss the first one is very pugable on mythic though

[jagged pier]

not really a lot of our trinkets such as ara arent dps only

alot of the stats trinkets which are now better because of nerfs to the others

are in the loot pool

[graceful kite]

are crafted wrists socketed btw?

[jagged pier]

plus a myth 1hander is huge

[solemn elk]

Crafting 2h and getting a 1h shield from raid

[cinder sail]

True, good point

[vague abyss]

is good that the first boss in mythic gives us shield and 1h, so is easy to pug as you say

[solemn elk]

Yea

[graceful kite]

some of them still are tho

like mark or shard

[solemn elk]

I’d say even without that, you can get decently upgradable pieces pretty easily

[jade panther]

hey guys, i'm thinking about crafting feets with the vers embellishment at 619 with the free crest and 636 weapon with gilded crests. anything wrong with that ? better options ? (i feel bad about crafting a shield after using crest to boost mine to 619). (sorry for the weird enchant ui)

[shy python]

Just learned that we can reflect and clear the tentacles in Grim Batol at last boss.

[graceful kite]

psa you can reflect rooting puddle on ara kara last boss

dont press reflect when you're running into it

[vague abyss]

ok rate my stonevault

seems very samesie to m0 to me, with the difference to just clearing the room in skarmorak for %

[torn gulch]

man third boss on necrotic wake is a full circus

add needs nerfed like yesterday

[vague abyss]

necrotic wake needs the count to be fixed

we need to clear basically all the dungeon

[torn gulch]

count will remain like that

the full season

that's what they want

[graceful kite]

you miss a buff in machinist area, pull at skarmorak might hurt your group a lot

[torn gulch]

tbh count isn't that big of a problem you just pull big

[vague abyss]

iwhich buff? idk

[graceful kite]

also pull 13 with top half of 14

[torn gulch]

10% vers

[graceful kite]

10% vers

[torn gulch]

for bs warrior dwarf

[graceful kite]

I do this area like that

[vague abyss]

whrere is that buff, sorry i dont know where is

[vague abyss]

ah i see, thanks

[graceful kite]

glowing iron bar

I haven't done a high stonevault tho so my exp is not very good

[fluid widget]

Can’t you skip the 2 loaders in the middle if you get that side?

[graceful kite]

I skip them

just go around

[vague abyss]

you can?

ah i see

[graceful kite]

gotta be careful about the big patrol

[vague abyss]

i go over a bit, but i guess it will work (not like i will pull that big)

[graceful kite]

but yea Im not a stonevault pro

[graceful kite]

Patrol in pull 11 sucks better run through mobs and loss them at forge area

it has 3 menders i think

[tender quartz]

Why are we running Spear btw over Thunderous Roar / Thuners on shorter CD? Am I missing something or just preference?

[jagged pier]

Its more damage more rage

[inland raft]

Just wish spear was bigger

[neon elk]

Dont we all wish for bigger spears ?

[hybrid fog]

[graceful kite]

there's enough data manipulation to make everyone's spear statistically larger

[jagged pier]

Dont need to manipulate anything people are bad at judging relative size

[vague abyss]

slight revision in stonevaults, pugs have troubles dodging the patrol/bodypull it. So instead i just clear just enough to get versa buff, then go down and clear that way.

[molten gorge]

How are you doing orb boss without clearing all the trash in that room? Lol

If it spawns orbs there you're fucked

Unless you're in like 6s and 7s? ig

[ripe jungle]

guys whats the sweet spots with stats? i know ilev>all but all the items i have on same ilev

[sweet summit]

there is no sweet spot

your stats seem fine

[molten gorge]

imo this for Stonevault

+2 on an 8, felt like a cosy route

[ripe jungle]

i could drop some crit for vers or mastery but im not sure

[strong fox]

The last bosses of Ara Kara and CoT farmed our entire guild last night. it was hilarious

[jagged pier]

Nope

[vague abyss]

no vers buff?

[molten gorge]

nej

or let me check actually, I can't remember if we pugged a 5th for it or not

we had boomie ya

did same route on a 7 without tho but ya

[ripe jungle]

he is talking about vers buff from inst

not from dudu 😛

[molten gorge]

oh

negative

hmmmm

[frank hamlet]

Can delves drop 1h and shields?

Never seen on prot loot spec On Arms I have got multiple 2h

[tropic tangle]

it can

[frank hamlet]

Cool. Ty, Denic!

[tropic tangle]

I dropped 2x 1h last week

[frank hamlet]

I was trying to find the delve loot table online but wasn't having much luck

[molten gorge]

the only thing that doesn't take you over then is if you did something like this but you then need a way to skip between the Loaders + that little pack

the vers buff is def worth I forgot about it tbh

or you avoid the patrol ig and that's slightly over

but that feels ambitious

[vague abyss]

i wonder if the cart is really needed to clear, isnt longer to just run back?

shorter*

[tropic tangle]

that small pack doesn't chew a lot of time, but if you have soothe / imprison / something similar you can get by

[vague abyss]

yeah i think if you disable that add that is in the corner, you can just squeeze through

[molten gorge]

fml cart

[tropic tangle]

one sec, i think you can get cart

[molten gorge]

let him cook

[waxen cradle]

Hey guys I forget where do we view block hits on WFlogs ?

[dusky canopy]

damage taken

hover mouse over hits

[waxen cradle]

ah cool appreciate it, could not remember

[tropic tangle]

this is from tactyks route

I added the red arrow

you can get the cart by reversing path and coming in from that side

*according to Tactyks from his vid, I haven't pulled a stonevault key yet

[vague abyss]

i like it, is still a bit overpulled but we cant avoid it, we need to clear there

[waxen cradle]

Ok fellas help me understand something, a fellow Warrior I tank with, on Silkan Court he had no joke only 7 casts of shield block and 80 casts of IPain, and his blocked hits were 39% and some change but he likes to boast his self healing.... why ? that sounds kinda of like the opposite of what a Warrior tank should do

[molten gorge]

the only other thing I can think is

[waxen cradle]

IPain was his most casted ability

[vague abyss]

only... 7 casts of shield block? lol

[waxen cradle]

yes 7 casts

[vague abyss]

well we spam Ignore Pain, but mostly just to dump rage

[waxen cradle]

no shit

[tropic tangle]

your co-tank is big dumb

[toxic pewter]

That individual will be punished eventually for poor play. Best to continue on your path and just avoid em.

[molten gorge]

I'll try this later

[vague abyss]

yeah your war tank is dumb, no way you can only cast 7 times shield block in such a long fight

[graceful kite]

he's very bad

[waxen cradle]

ok my mistake on Queen Ansurek normal he had 7 casts, on Silkan Court he had 17 😛

I could not make this up I was like WTF when I saw it

[toxic pewter]

Lot of bad prot warrs out there right now

[vague abyss]

i have to check my logs lol, i have no idea how much i pressed Shield Block but surely much more than 17 times

[tropic tangle]

happens anytime prot gets attention

[graceful kite]

dungeon isnt hard timer wise and it seems you have to overpull unless you have hard cc or shroud

[waxen cradle]

Sadly he boasts that he can beat me in dps and how well he can self heal and how he doesn't need heals >_>

[graceful kite]

I stil suggest you pull 15+top half of 16 together and pull rest of 16 once big rock guy is dead

[vague abyss]

we... do need the heals, we have self-healing via indomitable, but we are not blood dks

[tropic tangle]

honestly, it's normal raid. the minute he's in content that matters his play will be an issue.

also, not having SB up is bad for DPS

losing 30% shield slam damage

[vague abyss]

yeah even if you are not being actually hitted on (because you dont have aggro), you keep SB up just for the slam damage

[toxic pewter]

Imagine boasting about normal raid lol

[jagged pier]

I mean apb u kinda do when ever u talk about out aggroing ppl

[graceful kite]

boasting is cool if it makes people play better

[toxic pewter]

Yeah but that’s in heroic pugs

Where its first week

LOL

[jagged pier]

Just as bad

[toxic pewter]

Nah

[jagged pier]

Its hc raid

[toxic pewter]

Heroic much steeper

[waxen cradle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dxRkhW8Cmw4f2vjA#fight=39&source=717&type=casts I could not be there for the raid last night so they had to pug here are his casts... tell me if something seems off to you like me... this is on Silkan Court

[graceful kite]

If I did lfr logs I'd post them

cuz why not

[toxic pewter]

Especially for pugs they don’t have a clue what’s going on

[graceful kite]

He has 40 log dunno what dps he is talking about

[jagged pier]

His talents are very wack

[waxen cradle]

Yeah they are

[jagged pier]

And he could have blocked kore posion bolts

But apart from that

[tropic tangle]

50% blocked melees

[jagged pier]

[waxen cradle]

He says its his "self healing build"

[jagged pier]

73%

[molten gorge]

is his avatar usage not super low even?

[graceful kite]

he's just wrong everywhere I think he should consult a guide

[molten gorge]

why's he got 26% avatar uptime?

[graceful kite]

or atleast read some of the stuff he is picking

[molten gorge]

when I look at my Silken hc it's like 58% and I'm sure I'm terrible

had no clue what I was doing

[waxen cradle]

His Queen Ansureak log is way worse 7 SB casts no joke

[molten gorge]

😂

[graceful kite]

he is bad everywhere he should consult a guide

or not if he doesnt want to...

[tropic tangle]

hmmm, not seeing where you pulled that number Jakey, I show like 50% blocked on anub and 75% on skein (for pure melee hits)

[astral crystal]

yeah, i got a 603 shield pretty early on fro ma bountiful

[flint laurel]

thanks

[molten gorge]

ah wait, he said he was bragging about his heal parse ya?

he got a 98 heal parse lol

on Queen

[waxen cradle]

Yeah

[molten gorge]

big chad ig 🤷‍♂️

[waxen cradle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dxRkhW8Cmw4f2vjA#fight=last&source=717&type=casts Here is his casts from Ansurek

39.75% blocked hits

[molten gorge]

it's legit just his spec making him parse anyway no? and the fact he's using Impending Victory so much cause he's probably getting smashed without block up

[vague abyss]

i had bad luck in my raids as warrior and our guild only cleared until princess normal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/84430970#difficulty=3
But i assume if im parsing purple im ok xD

[waxen cradle]

Just was making sure I was not misunderstanding something about what he was doing and if he had a valid reason for it

[vague abyss]

idk how to really use WarcraftLogs, but i assume this is what i look for?
first boss normal, the most patchwork boss in that fight i assume. 64% of hits mitigated
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V2AYT6qgJWbwN4c9#fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=3

[tropic tangle]

if you hover over melee, you can see how many standard melee hits you blocked

that's usually a decent indicator if you are keeping sb up while tanking

you can go deeper, but I'm also not a big log digger

[vague abyss]

apparently i only casted shield block 17 times during the whole fight... wat?

34% uptime, oh damn, im also a shit prot too

[inland raft]

i dont keep up with all the news, count in mists was increased it feels like vs sl?

[vague abyss]

yep looking at the logs, i kept shield block around 30 to 50% of uptime in the various fights

... i need to reflect

[molten gorge]

Ya you need more trash to hit count

[inland raft]

guess in a way it makes things easier, seems like half the time its "pull the whole dungeon" to reach count now

[vague abyss]

is the same in NW, we basically need to do the entire dungeon aside from the gatekeepers to hit % lol

it wasn't definitively like that when i played it on SL lol

[inland raft]

ya realized that last night too because i did my old route and even did the miniboss which usually skip so thougth would be over count and was 2% short and had to teleport down and kill a gatekeeper real fast

[lofty warren]

Why are almost all keys that are 8-10 NW, SOB, or Mists in lfg?

[inland raft]

ive noticed i usually get one of those keys every time actually now that mention it

i havnt even seen a vault or dawnbreaker yet

[crystal mauve]

We did 10 vault and 9 GB and it was not fun, on the other hand we almost 3 chested mist 9 and cleared an other mist 10 with 3min to spare with a wipe. There is no point in braking your teeth on the harder key for nothing this week 🙂

[inland raft]

i hate batol

feels like every time they bring a really old dungeon back its unfun

[vague abyss]

siege of boralus

[crystal mauve]

its not great but I only really dislike the last boss. We had an occurrence of the open circle going behind chains and we were stuck, impossible to go there lol

[inland raft]

siege maybe its stockholm syndrome but i dont mind it too much, not fun but i dont hate it like most seem to

[tropic tangle]

siege felt kinda rough, but also never played bfa

[inland raft]

its way better now then in bfa especially last boss

[crystal mauve]

We were godlike in bfa so it’s hard to compare tbh - also the final season affix was super nice to skip anything you did not want to take care of

[tribal wharf]

gpt is incredibly based

"And the groups? Oh-ho-ho! The PUGS. You ever do a Mythic+ with a random group? That's a recipe for pain. One dude's pulling everything in sight like he’s Leeroy Jenkins’ cousin, another is standing in fire wondering why they’re dead, and the healer? AFK. Always AFK, right when you need them most! I’ve seen better coordination in a monkey fight at the zoo!"

[tropic tangle]

true, also wasn't siege added in a later patch? so we're also relatively more undergeared

[inland raft]

siege was always in i only played s1 and 2 in bfa and siege especially last boss was rough if didnt abuse spotters

[tribal wharf]

siege is also a key that heavily ramps towards the final boss in terms of difficulty

and its only made wose with tyranical mostly, but it can be just as bad on fort

the courtyard right before boss 1, with the patrolling group can be hell

because its incredibly easy to pull 3 groups, that consists of, needs to be kicked, and doesnt move stands there throwing shit at us

[vocal flame]

the TWW dung change about interrupting spells doesn't help either, casters are a pain in the ass

[tribal wharf]

boss 1 can be very problematic, ppl that stand beside u while u tank the frontal casting add, not letting the adds be stacked on boss while running boss into bombs

its incredibly easy to watch the idiot mage do nothing and not lure boss into bombs and so your starin at the bos, not taunting the melee add

ideally the bombs should take only 5-15 seconds per boss bomb crash

hes incredibly easy if group is good and doing the mechanics,

[vocal flame]

i always tell people mechanics > damage

seem to be successful so far

[marble cipher]

but but ... muh parses!

[vocal flame]

lol true, then they die and do 0 damage

[marble cipher]

and you think they'd learn...
sadly, many don't

[silver raptor]

anyone use this trinket and can tell if it's actually working? doenst seem to work on a training dummy for me:

[tribal wharf]

i had it on my BDK and as option in vault, but its not that great anyways

its like a b- c tier trinket

its not an out right fail, but there is way better you can look for

[silver raptor]

my other 2 options are:

cant tell if ceaseless is better or worse than the refracting module

[tribal wharf]

things it has going for it, lets you live, passive str, its an equip so you dont have to worry about using it

things it has going agianst it, doesnt add any dmg, cant control when the effect goes off (and thus) if it will be effective or not

[silver raptor]

and these

cant decide which 2 trinkets to use lol

[tribal wharf]

fang D tier, does terribad dmg

wax d tier candle b/c

sac a/s tier

[solid cargo]

Sac will likely be the best even with it's low ilvl.

[silver raptor]

yeah, thats what im thinking

cant decide on a 2nd trinket then

[tribal wharf]

ceaseless b / c tier, its aboutsame as the tuant one but it does a little bit of dmg

does the candle give us parry?

[dusky canopy]

Next Spark craft is this coming reset correct?

[dry moss]

i have a question about ambelish i see a lot amoury having only 1 embelish Writhing Armor Banding why?

[dry moss]

it give crit and crit give you parry so i guess yes

[tribal wharf]

if it does give parry, then its probably really good for gearing

[dry moss]

sure but you cannot get it in 639 this season

[clear nimbus]

Heyo I have drop this trinket in my normal chest of weekly, I think it's better than Candle 584 ilvl but I lose some main stat for winning some haste.

[dry moss]

it is simply one of the best trincket

[clear nimbus]

My second trinket is Sacbrood 606 with speed proc

[dry moss]

that's a nice one

[clear nimbus]

Ok it's worth to play with scbrood and treacherous in same time. Take big up of main stat when I use cd of second one.

[astral crystal]

treacherous can be a little annoying, it's recommended to do the minigame before the pull

[vocal flame]

it sims really bad

[dry moss]

really a lot of player have it in there armoury

[vocal flame]

prob cause its their only option

Noms list on wowhead isnt all inclusive but its a good guide. Check it out

[jagged pier]

Guys its week 2 stop following ppls gear already they probably got it hugh ilvl anf equip causr its better than 593 etc etc

Give it time

[knotty egret]

Debating whether i should go for Authority of the depths or authority of radiant power

I have a feeling radiant power might be better for M+ because of the strength it gives, thus empowering the rest of your kit on AoE packs. Thoughts?

[toxic pewter]

sounds reasonable to me

[tropic tangle]

I could see the argument either way

prio/boss damage still tends to be the limiter though

[regal jewel]

is there a spell reflect weak aura?

[graceful kite]

yes

[knotty egret]

Yeah thats what i was debating. I decided to go with Radiant power for now. Its on a crafted sword so should last the entire expansion and can swap it out when needed :p

[toxic pewter]

cant go wrong with more strength is the way I see it

[tropic tangle]

also a big asterisk there, most people probably won't be in keys where min maxing tank prio damage is required

[knotty egret]

By the time we get to that point i might take the other enchant. For now still bashing my head on 7's so it doesn't really matter that much :p

[tropic tangle]

yeah, it'll be interesting to see how things shake out with this dungeon pool / scaling

[knotty egret]

Now we're on that topic, which Dungeons do you feel deal the most damage? Most of them are fine but necrotic wake makes me feel like paper some times

[tropic tangle]

siege felt higher than any of the others I've run

haven't pulled stonevault or gb yet tho

[knotty egret]

Siege the first packs with the haste reduction makes me want to quit playing 😂

[tropic tangle]

necrotic felt fairly similar to SL from what I remember

[knotty egret]

Didnt play during shadowlands, but for now it feels rough

[urban bane]

the ramping abom damage aura on stitchflesh is kinda annoying but apart from that and the trash placement changes not too diff

[chilly brook]

Necrotic was always a you either have a smooth run or it's GG key

[urban bane]

YUP

[chilly brook]

until later in the expansion when damage got higher

then you could afford like one wipe

on a boss that is

but wiping on 2nd or 3rd boss was always really rough

[tropic linden]

Hey, was trying zekvir today

Cant cope with his spittle

And if i interrupt it, I don't have for the stun of the spider

[chilly brook]

I got no advice

not worth the time to do it rn imo

better off spending time in m+

[blazing condor]

wiping last boss was aids

high tyrann that boss took like 7 minutes

[chilly brook]

yeah

just a fairly "it go good or we go agane" key

[mild otter]

Am I misunderstanding something here, or can you stack multiple dawnthreads?

[dusky canopy]

yes

[mild otter]

I swear I saw someone saying they weren't stacking

[dusky canopy]

they can stack

[rough crater]

what embelishments do we use in high m+

[dusky canopy]

Anything less than a 20 it wont matter whatsoever

play for dps imo

[narrow sparrow]

hey is it worth to get battle-scared veteran for higher keys and if so what should i drop for it?

[mild otter]

Simming for it too ? 😄

[graceful kite]

no

[mild otter]

I'm a bit on the fence about sneaking into m+ atm. Was curious of the defensive value of STR vs the potential offensive value of something else.

[dusky canopy]

Yes sims only consider dps

you cant sim for defense

[tropic linden]

anyone defeated Zekvir yet?

[mild otter]

As prot?

[elfin garden]

? version last week already yea, not ?? yet

[tropic linden]

or fury

[tropic linden]

As prot? Can give some tips?

[elfin garden]

i honestly cant remember the fight as it was almost a week ago already XD i just remember nuking the add asap

[vague abyss]

i have an aug in a +4 key, should i run?

[torn gulch]

no

a +4 is timeable with whatever

[bleak spade]

how i can find demo shout uptime or usage on logs from dungeon?

[tropic linden]

brann as DPS or Heal?

[elfin garden]

never bran heal, its garbage

[hexed moth]

since when crit is better than versa

[strong forum]

Since bfa s4 ended

[hexed moth]

well I never stop haste versa and I just knew

[strong forum]

Beyond haste stats have very little impact

So it's not wrong to focus on either crit or vers

Crit nets more parry and damage, vers is just a little bit of flat dmg reduction

[hexed moth]

thanks bud

[sharp gale]

the chaos god of loot love mastery for me

[molten gorge]

🥲

[blazing condor]

its easy to have high mastery%

[sharp gale]

I know it’s armory so it is not flat amount but I have 2x more than crit in flat amount

Im just on my phone so I can’t show you, don’t know how but I got a lot of mastery

[graceful kite]

I have 5k mastery and 12k haste

[sharp gale]

4,5k crit, 10,5k haste, 6,7k mast and 9,5k vers from what I see on my armory

[sour iron]

is bulwark good or loosing secondaries for this passive is shitty?

[tulip warren]

hi all , which trinket would you prefer , the Ovinax Mercurial egg or skarmorak shard ?

[sharp gale]

Don’t know how much armor it is but just armor on the shield alone 22k tells me 6.135 really not a lot

[strong forum]

Very shitty

[dusty raven]

here isn't better brother

[mild otter]

Brand new alt (forced new main really). Looking through the guides it seems they're suggesting belt+bracer crafter?

I happened to get a 600 bracer out of chest, so thinking maybe I should throw it into shield or weap for spark first?

[pallid quiver]

The reason embels end up on belt+bracer is because they're lower impact stat wise, so you don't lose as much getting the embel as compared to a chest piece or the like in terms of ilvl at max

[sharp gale]

I crafted a shield with the story mode raid crest personally (my prot is my m+ alt for now)

[floral trail]

is there any known diference between one handed axe sword or mace when crafting except visuals=#

[mild otter]

Yea that's what i'm leaning toward. 619 shield, 606 wep

[pallid quiver]

If the crafted piece would be your highest ilvl, you'd technically throw it on your highest impact stat pieces first for crafts

The only issue is that crafted gear is timegated by sparks, so committing to something means that you can't back out of it later

[brazen spear]

i'd say it highly depends tbh

if you plan on getting full mythos gear, then yes crafted items will have lower itemlevels

but if you end up with mostly hero gear, but gilded crests, then the crafted items will have higher itemlevel than your normal gear, and it would be best to craft high-impact slots, like shield

[sharp gale]

I looted the weapon on boralus hero track so my weapon is 619

[pallid quiver]

But with all bis gear and embels, it ends up as bracers/belt iirc

[mild otter]

So is this a sim whatever will get most dps angle? Or just generally go weps first?

[vague abyss]

usually go wep and shield first, or at least thats where i spent my first runed crests

[sharp gale]

I just checked wowhead, told shield is good to have good ilvl I crafted it, I did boralus with the 619 and 606 weapon then upgraded the loot

[vague abyss]

Black Temple treated me well, not a hero sword, but cant complain

[brazen spear]

i'll probably skip crafting with runed crests and just go get some gilded ones for those slots, i'm just too poor for blacksmithing mats

[vague abyss]

oof you tell me, it will be the same cost tbh

[brazen spear]

in europe they cost about 10 times as much as identical chain, leather or cloth pieces

[sharp gale]

I still have a spark so I don’t know what to do with it

[mild otter]

Ah...I also didn't consider cost..was about to do a full 590 set

[brazen spear]

yeah, but i don't have to craft them once, recraft with runed and recraft with gilded, and save on the mats for the runed crests

[vague abyss]

most of the costs is from the blacksmith, the crest itself is not that expensive, but i think i spent over 100k with Vambrace and Greatbelt (619)

[brazen spear]

recraft on a shield e.g. costs about 15-20k gold right now, it's insane

[vague abyss]

15k-20k as the commision for the crafter?

[sharp gale]

The shield costed me 40-50k to craft

[brazen spear]

nah, 15-20k for the mats
i am the crafter

[mild otter]

I mean..don't think i'll be able to sneak into m+ without it though.

So not sure we have a choice. Just gotta take the economy dicking

[vague abyss]

because fuck that noise, some dude in trade chat tried to ask 20k to craft vambraces 619

[trim condor]

lol, I switched to flashing strikes talent and my dmg in m+ skyrocketed

[sharp gale]

You can sneak into 7s and 8 without it

The hero track loot keys

[vague abyss]

yeah no one is actually checking for those, heck im not even fully enchanted yet (i will today if i dont have better luck for now)

[brazen spear]

yeah, especially if you have a friend or 2 and just queue up your own keys, it's completely fine

[mild otter]

You think so? xD

[proud dock]

if i want to make 5star boots, where do i put prof points in? the end node or something in the middle?

[vague abyss]

ill rather say that until +9 and up, no one will actually look at your gear past your ilvl

[brazen spear]

´some enchants are so over-priced as well for very very low benefit

[sharp gale]

You have tank privilege for keys so doesn’t really matter just don’t solo ruin the key

[trim condor]

yeah, I barely have enchants etc and people dont mind.

[mild otter]

I think surely 590 is bare minimum

For +2

[brazen spear]

like 1k leech equals 1%
but on wrists you get less than that for the maximum rank (for all 3 tertiary stats)

[vague abyss]

oh yeah, tank privilege. The privilege of... just going out when the key is obviously not going to be done is sublime :v

[trim condor]

nah, you can get away with less and be fine

[mild otter]

I appreciate the degeneracy going on here.

[vague abyss]

also barely have to shop for a key, maybe because im 610 but i get invited in seconds

[sharp gale]

I enchanted just yesterday night bc I felt bad, I dont’ flask or eat (just oil) still do 600k-700k overall dps

[vague abyss]

oh no i do food/flask/oil

im not that cheap 😛

[brazen spear]

i ran some first +5s yesterday with 606 and no set, only some enchants and noone bats an eye, as long as it's timed

it's really fine

[lucid nimbus]

Dan your realms are expensive

[brazen spear]

don't think 590 is really needed for +2 then

[lucid nimbus]

My shield recraft from 606 tot 619 was 50gold

[vague abyss]

isnt, like every realm expensive? isnt the AH shared now?

[sharp gale]

I didn’t switch to alchemy with my war since it was not meant to be played already but I come home and I switch to be a cheap and use flask

[soft tusk]

what's that M+ layout everyone using for their keys? the ones that tells time + death + count

[mild otter]

590 seems pretty cheap. I think most crafters can do 590 without t3 mats

[brazen spear]

you need at least 2 nullstones and some more mats for a recraft of the regular spark shield though, that alone is about 10k

[mild otter]

I'll at least do weapon+shield I think.

[sharp gale]

Mats are region wide, not crafters but commission is kinda low

[lucid nimbus]

Yeah i wasnt saying the mats. I meant the recrafter himself

[mild otter]

And just wait till I farm hero track then replace the wep with recraft later

[lucid nimbus]

Mars are expensive yea haha

Mats

[brazen spear]

ah yes, yeah as long as the people dont need to spend concentration they sometimes don't take high commissions

[vague abyss]

im in Area52 and crafters really want to gouge in commissions, i had to shop around and had to settle for 9k for the vambrace and greatbelt

[fluid widget]

Does prot warrior do higher than average tank damage? I was doing more competitive damage that I thought I’d be doing compared to other tanks I’ve played with

[sharp gale]

Mats 4-6k a thing you need 6-8 times

[lucid nimbus]

Commisions prices on my realm are normal

[trim condor]

yeah, I was always like that, but then I join keys and people doing tank dmg or dying to eeveerything, I said to myself, why would I spend thousand of golds for better dps, if I otherss cant invest time to learn keys :

[vague abyss]

yeah i get it, usually they need to spend concentration and if Ingenuity doesnt proc they can only do it a few times per day i think

[soft tusk]

I need a good weak aura to track party/raid CDs

[vague abyss]

thats the "i need concentration" price

[sharp gale]

Got 7k commission for the shield, 7k is very low in my mind

[brazen spear]

the most ridiculous thing to me is that the prices of all other armor types are close to the same, but plate just costs roughly 10 times as much, like i need to spend 30-40k regularly to complete the NPC orders for my knowledge points

[vague abyss]

oh ye 7k for, what, 619 shield i assume?

[brazen spear]

30-40k for ONE order

[sharp gale]

Yes

[vague abyss]

i ignore those patron orders, those NPCs were smoking when pushing those

[brazen spear]

WAY less, you need about a week to refill concentration, and you sometimes need to spend 300-400 for 1 craft

[sharp gale]

Rank 3 cauldron order on my hunt, yes blizz I’m not that dumb

[vague abyss]

but its also very profitable for them, they also go Resourcefullness gear and Resourcefullness mats on those q5 items, if it proc, they can easily get 30k+ in the returned mats alone

those ironclaw alloys r3.... damn those were expensive as heck

[brazen spear]

yeah, if lucky, i also have a lot of resourcefulness and multicraft(for crafting alloys), it can save a lot, but the chances are around 10-15% and you only save 33% of a given mat

[vague abyss]

yeah but is a win more situation tbh, you were already paid for the craft

[brazen spear]

yep, as long as you craft for people providing the mats you make insane money with blacksmithing

[sharp gale]

And they kinda scam you bc they use consumables and grind a crafter stat to save your ressources and resale them

[brazen spear]

but crafting for npcs or for myself (or friends) is just pure pain

[vague abyss]

i did the stupid idea of specializing in tools because i assumed people were going to buy those for some reason

[brazen spear]

na, it's their earn if they use consumables and stuff on it and optimize their gear

[mild otter]

No more swing speed or anything right?

So mace/sword doesn't matter?

[vague abyss]

the green tools do sell, and sold decently, but now they are barely above cost:v

[sharp gale]

Classic vibe

[vague abyss]

if i could do it over, i would just go straight to alloys and multicrafting

specially those ironclaw alloys, damn, they spend 20g in a ironclaw ore and pops out 3200g alloys

[brazen spear]

at least they ARE above cost, i specialized in mats and i mostly lose money, sometimes when multicraft procs, i can save a little bit, but in total i lost A LOT of money to skilling blacksmithing, so much it's unthinkable that it will be worth it across the expansion

[sharp gale]

To make gold ?

[vague abyss]

it doesnt make you gold? i assumed that those alloys were selling, and the multicrafting is what made it profitable

[brazen spear]

you literally make more money selling the ores than crafting alloys, except if it procs, but the chance is so low, that statistically you will lose more than win

so if i spend 1k bismut to craft 100 alloys, i get like 5-10 procs and end up with 120 alloys, which is still a loss

[sharp gale]

My perfect plan if I would do it over again is still tailoring and 2x4 at 6 am at launch and alchemy for the 500 gold/health pot rank 1

[brazen spear]

and resourcefullness mostly saves the vendor-mat, which is beyond useless

the most money i earned this xpac was by leveling my druid with herbalism and skinning in hallowfall, i just flew around at the farm where people plant their seeds

zero effort, fast leveling and a lot of money

[vague abyss]

when i craft my green tools and resourcefullness procs, it either returns the alloy (yay 350g alloy returned!) or a crystallized powder (3g returned, woo...)

[brazen spear]

and close to no cost even, only the green gear for herbalism to save some time, even better if you are Tauren, they get 25% faster collecting, whilst my main (an earthen) gets 25 POINTS of finesse, which is nothing really

[chilly brook]

imagine picking earthen tho

[brazen spear]

they are so god damn bad

but so cool

[chilly brook]

they look cool ye

[vague abyss]

i feel like i wasted knowledge points in botany/plethora of ore to get harvesting while mounted

[chilly brook]

but food racial is bad

and so is their actual on use

[brazen spear]

yeah it sucks, i mean now its ok

it gives more haste than any food

[vague abyss]

if i could do it over, i would go straight to bismuth and max that thing

[chilly brook]

it's still worse than just normal food

[brazen spear]

but never strength

[chilly brook]

cuz main stat

[brazen spear]

yeah, especially to get those complete nullstones @vague abyss

yup, and the Azerite Surge is just a self destruct button tbh, you cant block or parry during the cast

because its a cast

the only good use for it is to die faster when needing to wipe

[chilly brook]

Honestly just go pandaren

[vague abyss]

i have been killed way more times than i should have with the ez-mine things

[chilly brook]

at least double food buff is decent

[vague abyss]

or worse, the overloaded ez-mines

[brazen spear]

the closer you stand to ez-mining, the faster you mine it tho

[chilly brook]

never died to one

just found the safe spot and chilled

[brazen spear]

just dont go near it if its the variant that explodes around itself instead of throwing around dynamite

[vague abyss]

that variant is when you use overload on it

[sharp gale]

Did not do the profaned powder buy/resale when the AH was bugging ?

[vague abyss]

it spews a lot of minerals but you have barely time to pick 3-4 of them before having to heroic jump out

[brazen spear]

nah, i dont mean that

theres 2 versions regularly

[tropic tangle]

yeah this is a tough one, but don't you think we're on the bottom end of high end mats relevance? Lots of people are holding crafts or not caring about quality at the moment, but when people are consistently looking for R5 crafts because they have gilded crests I think prices will spike

[brazen spear]

one throws dynamite, the other has a very small area around that does WAY more damage than the normal dynamite

[tropic tangle]

to guarantee rank 5 you either need r3 mats or the crafted needs the BoP purple skill reagent

[brazen spear]

not sure, because by then you might not even need full T3 mats anymore, especially with concentration

[tropic tangle]

I scoped it yesterday, you need R3 mats

[vague abyss]

i still feel those enchants are too expensive tbh

oh sorry for the reply

[brazen spear]

they are, and they make barely any difference

[tropic tangle]

I'm maxed for shield crafting. If using a gilded crest, everything needs to be R3 and I still need the +20 skill BoE reagent to hit rank 4, then use like 600 conc for rank 5 (this is assuming an embellishment)

[brazen spear]

at least like wrist, boots and stuff

[vague abyss]

i did a weapon enchant at least

[sharp gale]

Use craftsim addon to check if r2 mats are enough im not blacksmith

[vague abyss]

i love that addon, and yeah in my case r2 mats are plenty to do my stuff

[brazen spear]

i could get another 60 skillpoints by skilling in shields

then i reach T4 without any +skill reagent or conc

[sharp gale]

Did they fixed the crest not increasing difficulty on the addon ? Hated to manually add it

[brazen spear]

yep

without crest its 500

[vague abyss]

yes tehy did

it updates constantly and fixes and adds stuff

[brazen spear]

if you max it out and you put in all T3 mats, then you reach T5 without skill reagent or concentration

so it honestly is just:
use T3 mats, or a skill reagent or concentration

and the weapon wraps cost nothing in T3

[tender reef]

How much is it to craft the wrists and belt on 636?

[sharp gale]

Skill reagent giving 20 kinda carry me

[vague abyss]

not in my case, for me to make that blue item r5 without concentration, i would miss at least 20 skill more, that is basically getting blue tools myself

[brazen spear]

ah i see

thats why

[vague abyss]

and im maxed at that area anyways

[brazen spear]

you need the blue tools

you also need blue tools for the alloys btw

[sharp gale]

Blue tools give like double skill than green

[brazen spear]

with T3 mats you cant craft T3 alloys when maxed out, without blue tools

its stupid

[vague abyss]

not really, just a bit more, like green gives +8 skill, then blue will give 11+ or something like that, will slow

[brazen spear]

like look, i reach 525 exactly, not 1 point more

i have full blue gear and full skilled in alloys and T3 mats

just stupid, and then you still lose money by crafting them

[vague abyss]

blacksmith hammer q5 blue is exactly 18+ skill, which is a 10 point difference from the greeen one

[brazen spear]

i think its 6,6,8 skill for the green stuff and 11,11,18 for the blue

[vague abyss]

the accesory, is 11-5, 7 point difference

so i made the notes and i need acutally 900 acuity just to have the blue tools to do the stuff without spending concentration

[brazen spear]

yep

[vague abyss]

thats outside of actually using the acuity to get the recipes to do the stuff in the first place

no wonder people just spend the concentration xD

[brazen spear]

thats why i spent all my acuity on the tools first, to be able to craft alloys, and now i feel so ripped off tbh

[real fossil]

Why do you feel ripped off?

[brazen spear]

concentration is so stupid though, like you cant keep up crafting for 3 people... you dont get enough of it

[brazen spear]

because even with T3 alloys you lose money by crafting them

[vague abyss]

NAH EVEN worse was me, who spent accuity on those books that costs 150, 200, 300 accuity on knowledge...

[real fossil]

Concentration is pretty lit for a steady income though

[brazen spear]

those i will buy next, the recipes are last, they are mostly worthless for blacksmithing

[vague abyss]

like i dont even needed that much knowledge for tool crafting

[tropic tangle]

Not sure how this is calculating - with max shield spec, blue tools, and runed crest (only +10 rather than gilded +20) it's not rank 4 baseline

[real fossil]

Yaaaa I regret that too…

[tropic tangle]

still need the +20 finishing

[vague abyss]

yeah thats a thing too, you need to have at least maxed stuff to at least reach q4

[tropic tangle]

or at least a finishing, with gilded you need the plus 20

[brazen spear]

its probably because of the blue crafting gear

the gear in total gives 20 skill more than the greens

[vague abyss]

yep, seems the 20 gap is on purpose

[brazen spear]

so you can either use the skill reagent or get the blue gear

[tropic tangle]

I've got all blue crafting gear

that's what I'm saying

something in your addon is missing

[vague abyss]

q5 blue crafting gear? maxed nodes in that area?

[real fossil]

What do you mean it gives skill?

[vague abyss]

then you are missing something, you should be definitively hitting q4 at least

[tropic tangle]

does quality affect the skill gain? I thought it only affected the secondaries?

[vague abyss]

it doesnt? huh let me check

[brazen spear]

the rank scales the secondaries

[tropic tangle]

rank 1 blue toolbox is still +11

[brazen spear]

and blue/green scales the skill and secondaries

[vague abyss]

oh i see is true

[brazen spear]

but rank 1 blue already gives more secondaries than rank 5 green i think

[vague abyss]

oh well you still spend 900 accuity to get those

[frosty holly]

Sneaky blizzard changed Molten Gigant in Grim Batol

[tropic tangle]

I'm purely talking about skill, because that's going to affect your crafting quality

[frosty holly]

The spell reflect now deflects instead 💔

[real fossil]

Noooo

[sharp gale]

The lava punch golem ?

[real fossil]

Rip molten fist reflect 2024-2024

[frosty holly]

Y

Guess they felt 6-7 mil reflect was to much but not the 4 mil small bois :p

[sharp gale]

God I hate that changed because if you take the other pack with this one they put you fire vulnerability

[brazen spear]

do you have blacksmithing at 100?

[tropic tangle]

So you need R3 mats, +20 finishing reagent and maxed out knowledge for the item to guarantee R4...then you conc to R5

Yes

+20 reagent gets you to 419 skill, with gilded it requires 416 to hit r4

[vague abyss]

i see those commissions are going to be high then

[tropic tangle]

so it's r3 mats, blue finishing, and conc to hit r5

[brazen spear]

its very strange, if i chose T3 mats then i get to 521 skill

without a finishing

[tropic tangle]

something in your addon is calculating wrong

[frosty holly]

Also. Second boss Siege can no longer be slowed by anything. So it will leap

[sharp gale]

Not even the highest crest

[frosty holly]

No idea if that's intended or a bug

[brazen spear]

with these 3 maxed out

[real fossil]

Boooo

[iron spade]

Is there a point, when we have a certain amount of stats and gear, that we swap to Colossus? or is it better already?

[brazen spear]

give me a second, think it should be possible to hand-calculate it

like T3 mats give 25% of the recipe difficulty as bonus no?

[tropic tangle]

I mean, I'm showing you what happens in game in real time 😄

[sharp gale]

Seems too bc I can do the R5 636 gun on my hunt since raid release maybe blacksmith is a different thing

[brazen spear]

did you ever put in T1 or T2 mats?

[sharp gale]

By just calculating difficulty manually

[brazen spear]

that could be it

because recrafting with T3 mats takes some recrafts to fully replace the earlier mats

[tropic tangle]

hmmmm, that could be it, because I crafted with whatever to start.

let me test something

that's definitely it

[sharp gale]

Manually calculate the difficulty, just check how much is to craft the 593 with r3 mats and add the optional difficulty

[tropic tangle]

yeah, skill on that recraft is being dragged down

very heavily, even

that's wild how hard it is penalized

[brazen spear]

i found this again, had to dig into some chats xD

if you started with T1 mats, you have to recraft 3 times to get the full bonus

[tropic tangle]

Yep, that's definitely the issue

a fresh craft with no reagent has me at 472 skill

[brazen spear]

noteable is the last example though, recrafting 4 times plus the initial craft with all T2 mats gives the maximum bonus as well

costs a ton of acuity tho

glad we could figure out what was the problem, i started thinking we werent able to ever craft max gear without conc :D

[tropic tangle]

I was going nuts earlier this week in planning my recraft

trying to figure out exactly what I needed for R5 w/ gilded

[vague abyss]

can someone rate my grim batol MDT, i assume we are avoiding those pesky dragons

err the shadowflame dragon things

[tropic tangle]

So I take back my initial statement, don't think we're gonna see an uptick in R3 mat prices

It's just me costing myself money because of the initial craft 😄

[brazen spear]

and some acuity as well sadly :/

[tropic tangle]

Yep, that I can stomach just fine though

at least it will still only take me a single recraft to hit max, but it's gonna cost a bit of conc

[severe swallow]

Is there anywhere that says what our worst piece of tier is?

[feral gulch]

shoulders if i remember

[vague abyss]

yep shoulder, is replaced by something else in the bis list

[proven spruce]

Can someone help me understand something a little better: playing thane, what should I prio? Lightning stomp or shield slam?

Wowhead says only to prio stomp over shield slam in 2 target while icy veins suggests always stomping first.

Trying to optimise for dps, especially after seeing my colossus parses last night. Thane just feels safer as tank, but I don’t want to be dead weight

[vague abyss]

thane is a dead weight? i though it was doing damage just fine?

[severe swallow]

where is the bis tier list

[vague abyss]

wowhead or icyveins

[proven spruce]

Not what I meant, I just felt like I was doing low dps. Definitely a player problem, just understanding better

[tropic tangle]

colossus can output more, but it's also at the expense of rage gen

[mighty valley]

i've been prioing ss in single target and it's seemed fine

unless i want to drain a tb proc before avatar

[severe swallow]

Has vers been gutted recently

or why do we go more crit now

[mighty valley]

crit's always been good

crit and vers are very close, it's not a huge deal

but crit lets you see bigger numbers and hear the "ting" parry noise more often

[torn gulch]

crit directly benefits 4 set now as well

as it procs of crit slams

[rough crater]

why do we want embelishment that makes us have above 80% hp, dont we lose silly uptime if we do content that actually hurts?

[prime garden]

just did a ++9 mist, for reference

[rough crater]

aaaah, ty

[severe swallow]

mist is a joke tho

[prime garden]

sure

mobs still truck in the maze

[torn gulch]

maze trash bombs

[rough crater]

what are other options?

[torn gulch]

especially when fort comes into play

you can play double lens

[prime garden]

timed 2x +10 mist yesterday, and let me tell you the trash is no joke in there

[torn gulch]

yea people are gonna have a rude awakening on +10 and +12

when affixes come into play

[prime garden]

+10 is a pretty big gap

[torn gulch]

and they're gonna get slammed into the ground

[prime garden]

whats the deal with this embellish btw? a few top warrs are using it

[rough crater]

doesnt it help if u have rare items with procs on it?

like the ring from last boss ect

[prime garden]

ahhhhhh

makes sense

i was wondering what was the "nerubian embellished item"

[torn gulch]

isn't the nerubian embelishment on weapon for dps warriors?

and this one doubles it?

[prime garden]

im looking at this warrior and they dont have the ring, neck, cloak, or any other embellish

[glass rune]

It's for embellishments like this stuff.

[prime garden]

ahhhh, tyvm

[storm estuary]

Trying to prog heroic Ansurek and our warrior tank is struggling a bit. Trying to help him out but prot warrior doesn't have wowanalzyer updated yet.

Anyone else struggling on ansurek? Does he just need externals?

[prime sphinx]

whats up with the mace in grim batol why it has less strength? oversight?

[novel agate]

I have a choice between a hero track tier gloves and Mad Queen's mandate champion track. I run m+ mostly, guild should have AoTC soon, do I go trinket over 2piece?

[keen leaf]

whats the best 2nd embelishment? does it matter? I have the shield

[atomic fox]

craft wep or shield first? both are 590.

[novel agate]

Shield 100%

[atomic fox]

What's the reasoning over wep?

[vocal flame]

Block ^

Block = love

[novel agate]

Block is life. 😄

[vocal flame]

You can prob pug the first boss in raid, they drop a shield

[atomic fox]

Everforged defender right?

[violet ginkgo]

I agree with undead, try to check if you get drop from 1st boss heroic raid.

[proud dock]

how come sac is BiS for us, but when i sim its saying my hook+layrnx is better? is it cuz of 2ndary stats? do i still put on sac+hook if possible at highest ilvl?

[atomic fox]

ty boys ❤️

[cold pilot]

Hey friends, which piece is best to not tier?

[toxic pewter]

prob skip shoulders cuz it lacks haste

[violet ginkgo]

yeah skip shoulder

we need moar haste, like all haste in the world

[keen leaf]

why do we use duskthread embelish instead of dawn? isnt crit our main stat

[vocal flame]

I found simming trinkets to be a bit off, might just be me tho

[cold pilot]

yeah but the "bis" that wowhead recommends has no haste either

[toxic pewter]

doesnt really matter much at the end of the day

[jagged pier]

because its what sims highest

u dont need crit haste on every piece

[mellow quartz]

The reason it sims the highest is the toon nome used has like a million haste and crit

So increases the value of vers

His template even has vers gems

Cause base vers was like 3-4% only

If your actual gear has more vers then vers is less valuable than that

[solid cargo]

For some reason, everytime I try to equip a shield now the game tells me "warning, this is not your right armor type"

[mellow quartz]

Just ignore it

[vocal flame]

blizzard wants you to play a BDK

[solid cargo]

Jokes on them, I already do lmfao

[edgy bone]

Has anyone been playing colossus in keys?

[mellow quartz]

No, I am not a masochist

[elfin geode]

this proc isnt worth losing the secondaries right?

[mellow quartz]

No

[solid cargo]

I've done a few 5s with it. Does a shitton of damage, didn't feel that worse off survivability wise but the difference really only matters at higher keys.

I still prefer thunderclapping my thighs

[vocal flame]

thunder thighs?

[solid cargo]

Thunder thighs.

So thicc they create sonic booms

[vocal flame]

haha

[gloomy silo]

Dorki said haste vers are best stats right?

Said vers is equal to crit or slightly better

[keen leaf]

I thought it was crit/haste, I havent looked in awhile

[gloomy silo]

His guide said haste vers>= crit

[hollow hill]

I have a question about Nexus Princess. You taunt mid cast of void shredders so that you take the next hit after it finishes right?

Was just in a pug and got yelled at for not taunting, when the other tank was dying to void shredders every time, even though I taunted every time and took the boss off him immediately after the cast was done

Even checked details and all their deaths were to void shredders =/

[keen leaf]

I just taunt after void shredders, dude just needs to use a defensive

[hollow hill]

That's what I told him but everyone was saying I was wrong and needed to taunt faster

I even took 2 void shredders in a row because he couldn't hold aggro so I had 8 stacks, and I didn't die, but he died mid cast of a single one

[keen leaf]

nah that isnt a dynamic taunt fight i believe

Bro was just throwing it sounds like, probably not ur fault

[hollow hill]

It seems like it, feels like I was being gaslight by him and his buddy

[keen leaf]

yeah void shredders slaps, but its just a defensive thing

[mighty valley]

We'd need to see logs to see what's going on, or they could come here and talk about how they play so we can see if anything's obviously wrong

[hollow hill]

Is there a way in details to show debuffs you took from the boss?

Like to see if you had 8 stacks of the void shredder debuff?

[sweet summit]

you'd want logs to check that

[hollow hill]

Darn, should have been logging just to be safe

[sweet summit]

mrt auto logging kinda owns

[hollow hill]

Actually looks like it does show in the deaths log on details if you died to something that gives you a debuff. I feel better now

[graceful kite]

cuz at +10 fortified kicks in

[tribal wharf]

i deleted my save file at 18 hours in by accident had to start over is why 44 hour

but its finished

[jovial kite]

Hi All! New to the server and even newer to prot warriors. Trying to learn I installed "Hekili" and cant for the life of me figure out this symbol it wants me to cast...

[tribal wharf]

you are dark iron dwarve?

thats that first thing that comes to mind

[jovial kite]

dear God.

Thank you so much

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[mighty valley]

I don't think hekili will help you learn btw

[jovial kite]

Oh?

[mighty valley]

It's just gonna recommend you buttons to press, you're better off learning what our ability priority is and why

Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish and so on

[jovial kite]

Any tips on a good rotation guide?

[edgy bone]

how much more damage, like insane?

[jovial kite]

Love it

[echo egret]

Hekili is just going to teach you to follow Hekili.

[undone beacon]

Yeah Hekili isnt going to be helpful for learning effective tanking

[mighty valley]

In the #protection-faq channel the wowhead link has a good guide

[urban portal]

Hekili tanking isn’t good

And I’m a huge hekili fan

[undone beacon]

Tanking is a lot of knowing fights and the proper ways to react to packs and bosses

[jovial kite]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[undone beacon]

Takes a good amount of practice but its fun to hit thunderclap

[jovial kite]

I appreciate you all taking a moment to help me. Very kind.

[tribal wharf]

tanking takes alot of........... whats the word........

perserverance?

you just have to push through it all

[jovial kite]

My goal is to tank mythics.

[tribal wharf]

and that means doing whats expected, staying calm hitting buttons

[jovial kite]

so Im trying to watch videos

Ive got DBM

[mighty valley]

raid or m+ dungeons?

[undone beacon]

Mythic raids or mythic dungeons?

[tribal wharf]

the best thing you can watch, is your screen

takes while to learn not to look at buttons and look at whats happening in game but soon as you can game gets alot easier

[jovial kite]

Mythic dungeons

maybbbbeee mythic raids if I can understand

I tanked demon hunter like 6 years ago

but for some reason Im just lost.

[latent tusk]

bulwark or defender for shield?

[jovial kite]

Im so sorry for my ignorance, Im not sure what that means

[south zealot]

wdym

[undone beacon]

hes asking for advice not talkin to ya

[latent tusk]

crafted shield

options

[jovial kite]

Got it

[undone beacon]

Beledar's Bulwark is marked as underwhelming

We have better embellishments

[tribal wharf]

so, i can still craft, and then recraft later ya?

like up craft

[undone beacon]

yeah

[tribal wharf]

cuz i wont have gilded most likely

[undone beacon]

If you want to do M+, take some time to look at and learn the dungeon routes for this season

They're kinda weird this season imo

[proper roost]

they're not really that weird

[south zealot]

most are straight lines

[tribal wharf]

what key lvl is hold "W and blender mobs" 'able

[proper roost]

necrotic wake is really the only one where you have to pull everything, and maybe Grim Batol

[south zealot]

city of threads has spy shit and dawnbreaker is a little different

[tribal wharf]

where that type of strategy no longer works

or is it like, 1 wipe and its totally over

[solid cargo]

I haven't done enough to say how much for sure but it does outperform Thane DPS wise.

Lose a lot of rage gen/surviability though

But if you're just farming keys for gear or something it's fine. Won't be an issue until survivability is a serious concern.

[grizzled orbit]

is delvs good way to start my prot warr to gear up im 575

[fathom bone]

what can i drop to take disrupting shout?

[karmic plinth]

bloodsurge is ur easiest bet

[undone beacon]

Rate my setup on a scale from 10 to 10

[solid cargo]

Chad/10

[woeful trellis]

Hey is this shield any good? Reactive Webbed Escutcheon

[undone beacon]

No secondary stats hurts it

And no stamina

[solid cargo]

Also armor proc is a nothing burger

[molten gorge]

how many times is that today

[edgy bone]

What are the main playstyle differences for colossus in M+?

[solid cargo]

Less thunderclap. Less spamming IP to dump rage.

More revenge

[undone beacon]

REVENGEEEEE

[edgy bone]

If we dont spam IP then how do we survive??

[solid cargo]

Collosus you may as well be Jon fucking Wick with all the revenge you're using

[undone beacon]

Big Blocks Baby

[solid cargo]

You still use IP

You just don't hit it as often. With Thane, at least for me, you have so much fucking rage you basically live at IP cap at all times

[undone beacon]

Yeah Thane generates a fuck ton of rage

[lusty grotto]

Shield block

survive and IP in the same sentence

you have summoned my wrath

[round pendant]

...

[proper roost]

my head hurts

how do u solve brain issue

[solid cargo]

Natural side effects of zuggin

[autumn pawn]

if i have a magic dot on me, and i use spell block does it block some of the dot dmg?

[tribal wharf]

lemme know how it works out for u

[solid cargo]

Works on some, not on all iirc.