protection

[toxic pewter]

I see

[warm bloom]

Grouped it was impossible, but haven't tried solo

[toxic pewter]

I don’t even understand how it’s possible solo

[lusty grotto]

its a challenge

[warm bloom]

Prob takes forever

[toxic pewter]

Hmmm

They must be hacking or something

[lusty grotto]

some guy in here called Garlic claims he did it

[toxic pewter]

Who

[lusty grotto]

just search his comments

[warm bloom]

going to need to see some footage

[toxic pewter]

Never heard of him

[warm bloom]

else i call bs unless it's brokenly undertuned solo

[toxic pewter]

@oblique quarry is it true

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[toxic pewter]

No way a dude ilvl 593 killed him

That major fake news

[lusty grotto]

i mean does it matter lol

[toxic pewter]

Yeah

I need my void blimp

So I can sit in town in it

[warm bloom]

why did they even make the quest available this early is what im wondering

[lusty grotto]

why not

[toxic pewter]

The quest can be completed in ?

[warm bloom]

because almost no one can do it?

[toxic pewter]

I did it earlier

[lusty grotto]

thats what they said with mage tower

and a lot of us did it without ToS gear

[toxic pewter]

Hmmm

[warm bloom]

it should feel fair or doable this feels like neither

[toxic pewter]

Death knights seem very strong for the encounter

[warm bloom]

unless you're spending alot of time gearing willing to go through a very long fight

just feels unfun

[lusty grotto]

thats debatable

fun is subjective

[toxic pewter]

Arrow ability seems very strong apparently

[lusty grotto]

a lot of people like the challenge

yes you use these 3

[warm bloom]

it doesnt feel like a challenge if it doesn't feel possible

[lusty grotto]

thats a you feeling

[warm bloom]

yes fun is subjective from the perspective of a grinder and a casual player

for an activity that doesn't have scaling like m+ it shouldn't be this much of a pain in the ass to complete

[toxic pewter]

It’s possible

I watched a video just now a unholy dk did it

Also a brewmaster did it

[warm bloom]

solo or group?

[toxic pewter]

Solo apparently watching video now

[warm bloom]

it'd be nice to be able to do it with group

had 3 601+ilvl dps today not be able to finish the add before the next egg spawned

ridiculous

but people will defend it because in some niche way "it's possible"

[lusty grotto]

there's no defending

again, why does it matter

its week 1 of that encounter being available and people are not geared, half of the gear isnt even available

[warm bloom]

that's why i said i was wondering why they released this quest this early

[lusty grotto]

the encounter will be easily beat with actual gear so it doesnt matter at all

[warm bloom]

it's not really a big deal but just sets up a bad experience

[lusty grotto]

for who, they arent making you do that

[vivid lantern]

Are there any other mechanics I can use intervene on except 1st boss in NW?

[warm bloom]

for anyone who goes in thinking they can clear it like they have been doing the other delves

[lusty grotto]

mists last boss

[vivid lantern]

Ah ok. I couldn’t remember. Thanks.

[lusty grotto]

do you know a lot of people like that Technoir?

because i dont

i know 0 of them lmao

[warm bloom]

why wouldn't they think that

[lusty grotto]

ddi you think that?

[warm bloom]

yes!

blew through most tier 8s with groups of 5

get to this one

impossible

[lusty grotto]

lol ok

[warm bloom]

it's crazy i know

[lusty grotto]

well youre the first person i see that thought this

[warm bloom]

there's nothing in the game that would tell you to expect otherwise

yes it should be alot more difficult but not this level

imagine going through all of heroic dungeons getting full heroic gear, jumping into m0 and it not being possible to complete

same thing

[lusty grotto]

should heroic queen not be as difficult

[warm bloom]

don't ask me about raiding, i don't participate lol

this is not a raid tho, this is supposed to be small group content

[mighty valley]

it's a goofy challenge boss with one-time cosmetic rewards, it's fine if it takes people a while

[lusty grotto]

zevkir's is never bountiful, so idk why you would complain about this

[mighty valley]

it's a goal to shoot for

[warm bloom]

i guess so, just left a bad taste trying it over the last few days

[round cliff]

the big gauntlet in earthcrawl mines feels like forced death in the last wave

3 casters fml

[lusty grotto]

uhh

press spell block?

[round cliff]

wow ur a revolutionary

why didnt i think of that

[lusty grotto]

i know

youre welcome

person wiping on a lvl 8 delve that ive done on 560 ilvl alts

you're very welcome

[faint girder]

Aoe interrupt helped me

[round cliff]

yea my aoe interrupt on cooldown after i use it

and my spell block doesnt last as long as nimchips so

[lusty grotto]

thats too bad

[round cliff]

sure is

[faint girder]

I also used spell Block for 30 sec cd

Do you?

[lusty grotto]

i know this is a hard concept but

did you know

that you can leap and line of sight

you're welcome, i just blew your mind again

[lusty grotto]

yes thats how long it lasts, the guy is just being pissy for no reason

[round cliff]

???

im not the one who had to answer a question in a smartass way

on multiple occasions btw

[lusty grotto]

this big ole fish keeps bitin!

[pastel summit]

Delves somehow became more of a drag.

[faint girder]

Maybe we should suggest him anime to Calm down i suggest popteam epic you will consider if you High while watching

[pastel summit]

Has anybody managed the hardmode bugman in recent days?

[round cliff]

consider not being a dick to strangers over the internet for no reason else kindly fuck off

[lusty grotto]

lol

i have no idea what those are, but you do the honors

[round cliff]

wonder who this is

[jagged pier]

No brann would just die in p2 might be doable after hotfix tho

[toxic pewter]

Why u block me

[round cliff]

just dont like u simple as

[toxic pewter]

You are one of many

[round cliff]

[toxic pewter]

But the more hater I got stronger I become

Your hate and anger make me very powerful

[proper roost]

did i read this correctly

that guy was complaining about

the difficult optional solo challenge

being difficult

despite being optional

[lusty grotto]

thats what it sounded like to me

[proper roost]

"the quest is available too early even though other people have completed it"

🤔

[cosmic canyon]

Which solo challange did I miss and how do I do it?

[pastel summit]

Vekzir?

[lusty grotto]

whats the alternative? time gate yet another thing?

[proper roost]

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=40433/let-me-solo-him

i think the guy who did it said he killed it post hotfix but

idk!

[grizzled nova]

ilevel is too low for prot to solo eggs, so you're just a slave to bran RNGesusing his CDs on the eggs 8 times in a row

if you wanna spam the fuck out of it and pray for the blessed pull, it could happen, but it'll just be an exercise in tedium

[cosmic canyon]

Zekvir in his lair. How do I go to his lair? I believe I've encountered him in delves sometimes. Does it matter how high delve level it is?

[lusty grotto]

no reason to dismiss the guy's achievement

[proper roost]

bruh

i linked you the entire achiev

you figure it out

[cosmic canyon]

Cheers

Sorry, I should've checked the link.

[lusty grotto]

here you go

[cosmic canyon]

Hold my hand! ❤️

[oblique radish]

!wa

[lusty grotto]

but yes it should be in the link

[proper roost]

i linked you the achiev cuz i don't know anything about it

except it exists

[cosmic canyon]

Thanks guys

Was a while since rhok/lokdelar Hunter quest.

[proper roost]

nim i've realized something awful

[pastel summit]

Yeah, that's sort of how it felt.

[proper roost]

think delves might be the fastest way to recap valorstones

cuz you get like 500 from doing a full raid for radiant echoes and capping out the reward

[oblique quarry]

I did

[pastel summit]

Having pangs of regret not putting more pulls in back when Brann did numbers.

[lusty grotto]

apb and technoir might have questions, have fun going through that entire convo

[proper roost]

why is blizzard

preventing me from having fun

oh it's because these crests count towards the weekly cap

duh

[next axle]

Why are the top warriors running colossus over mountain thane?

[lusty grotto]

"top warriors", youre gonna have to be more specific

[next axle]

Was looking at murlok.io

[lusty grotto]

why

and for what content

[next axle]

So I can see what they are running in talents

[lusty grotto]

so why not use our guides

[next axle]

I guess for raid colossus makes sense, but i figured in dungeons MT would be better all around

[lusty grotto]

instead

[next axle]

I did not know this disc had guides lol

Clearly

[lusty grotto]

where there's at least some explanations and we can answer any questions

wowhead, icyveins

as seen in #protection-faq

[next axle]

Thanks, I will take a look

[high aspen]

@lusty grotto the site he referenced has the 3 highest rated prot warriors from last seasons m+ in colossus, then literally everybody else is mountain thane

lmao

[lusty grotto]

yeah the biggest problem those aggregate sites have, is people coming in here expecting us to know what a particular player is doing

some "top players" just pick whatever the fuck talents for no discernible reason

and then content type is also important

"why would they pick colossus" maybe add what content?

[pastel summit]

It's also just whatever people log out in.

[lusty grotto]

because if the answer is content = raid, then we can go over it because we know colossus is better ST damage than thane but not by too much

[high aspen]

only site i FW is lorrgs

[lusty grotto]

i use lorrgs for dps

arms/fury

for prot, not so much

its very useful for dps

dps roles

[high aspen]

yeah i usually dps, but thane prot is so much fun

Im doing minimum 1m dps every pull with cooldowns up all the time

and im so tanky too

[limpid plaza]

Heyooo

What weapon enchant are we using? Idk about the one in Wowhead

[violet ginkgo]

I think we just do authority of depth for just everything, unless you are very rich or lucky then you can have 2nd weapon with radiant for aoe situation.

[paper crystal]

You can use Archon.gg also

[lusty grotto]

i highly suggest you dont

[lusty grotto]

the one in wowhead, as soon as we get a relevant weapon

[limpid plaza]

Just got dancing steel, thats why I was asking cause idk if its worth the 30k

But i guess it is

[lusty grotto]

hero track?

then probably

[proper roost]

i mean

no one can tell you how much gold is worth for you

[lusty grotto]

not hero track? then probably not

[pastel summit]

What's the quality, how much is gold worth to you, how soon do you think you'll potentially get a better wep

[proper roost]

or how important week 2 minmaxing is for you

or whether you'll be doing content that gives you hero/myth track items

[limpid plaza]

Oh yeah yeah hero track

[proper roost]

or... so on

[pastel summit]

I mean if it's hero then decent chance you use it for a while

[lusty grotto]

[limpid plaza]

Its hero track and Im in a casual guild, we doing hero and just did 4/8H so

[pastel summit]

Samesies. 😁 I've held off on throwing an enchant on mine because I'm kind of stingy.

Enchants this time around are particularly expensive.

[lusty grotto]

thats because they drop from raid

[proper roost]

its legit cheaper than in df

DF s1 bis weapon enchant was 50k+

for

like a month

[limpid plaza]

I mean I think I can spend 30k for something I will be using pretty much until something in Myth track

Just wanted to make sure

cause 15k damage per proc idk how good it is

but I guess it stacks?

[toxic pewter]

How much gold u got

[lusty grotto]

arent there enchanters in your guild though?

[limpid plaza]

I got about 90k

[toxic pewter]

I got 5 mil

[limpid plaza]

Not atm with the recipe no

[lusty grotto]

well its a queen drop so yeah

[limpid plaza]

awesome

thanks a lot

[bleak breach]

I’ve bought 2* enchants because I’m broke as hellllllll

My gold fund is purely wow tokens because I’m lazy

[lusty grotto]

ive bought 0 enchants

[pastel summit]

💸

[lusty grotto]

no rush

im also extremely frugal so i dont like spending money on blizz

aside my sub

[opal forum]

should we upgrade m0 stuff?

[lusty grotto]

weathered and carved crests are basically nothing so sure

[lone sable]

Hey guys. If I have killed 1st boss on HC, can I not join a fresh run before reset then? Or will I just not be able to get any loot?

[jagged pier]

u wont get loot from the first boss but u will get it from the other bosses

well can

[lusty grotto]

it also means less loot for everyone not locked

on that first boss that youre locked to

[pallid quiver]

unless they pass the threshold for more loot without you

like if there's 17 people in the raid, and you're the only one locked, you're not costing extra loot since it's ever 5 people per loot drop iirc

[sweet summit]

it's 20% per person. 20 people is guaranteed 4 items. 24 people is 4 guanateed items and 80% chance for a 5th item (assuming all are eligible for loot), right?

okay my numbers are off but you get the point!!!! fixed xd

[lusty grotto]

[tepid wing]

anyone else strugling on the last 4 bosses in the raid due to magic dmg. i take SO much dmg

[urban portal]

Are you rotating defensive properly

Using spell block

Etc

[tepid wing]

i am

[spring cedar]

Spell Block is good in the Council fight

[urban portal]

Then drop a log or something

[tepid wing]

will after tonights raid

its on the nexus chick its worse, on hc. everything before that i have feelt strong

[glad jacinth]

with the nerf of trinkets of m+? are hook and Ara-kara still bis?

[sweet summit]

hook prolly get nuked by reset is my guess

[urban portal]

Drop the failure logs you have now

It probably is helpful to look at

[edgy bone]

Does applying more IP help remove the healing absorb on Queen?

[sweet summit]

indirectly through indom at least yeah

[jagged pier]

IV and LS our your freinds

[edgy bone]

Could you explain

[pallid quiver]

IP uses rage
Consuming rage is the trigger for Indomitable, a talent

So pressing IP heals you via Indom

[sweet summit]

spending rage heals you, read the indomitable talent

[jagged pier]

they murdered it

[pallid quiver]

It still heals a non-zero amount at least, Jakey

it's not like they did it like they did wog on pala

[sweet summit]

something>nothing innit

[tulip oar]

WOG needed a nerf back in DF though. That shit was stronger than a defensive cooldown.

[proper roost]

🤔

mans clearly did not see DF frenzied regen

or expel harm

or death strike

or even waves vaguely at entire vdh kit

[graceful kite]

no?

Tho I'd actually play paladin if it was balanced the same but consecration didn't exist at all

Especially now when blizz is pushing ground aoe shit for tank to stand in which I hate

[jagged pier]

bring back following conc

[cosmic canyon]

9% dodge granted, x 0.3 uptime = 3% 'dr' Do I remember correctly, that you can dodge spells as well yea?

[tulip oar]

WoG was able to replace a healer for a good chunk of S1 DF. Yes, there were other tanks that had stupid OP shit, but in the end I think it was PVP complaints was the nail in the nerf bat.

[unreal sage]

hi! is our set bonus so bad? how much % incrase is it? thanks folks

[graceful kite]

because pala after rework was insanely strong and was nerfed multiple times

[tulip oar]

Yup

[graceful kite]

wog costs a gcd which you need to gen hpower or heal/use defensive cd

Crazy overgeared paladin healing trivial content like s1 +20 especially after nerfs isn't something outrageous and even that was nerfed

It's a very cool and thematic niche

[waxen frigate]

That’s ultimately not at all how dodge works in terms of DR

[proper roost]

did u miss the entirety of bdk in df

or bear in s2 df lmao

[tulip oar]

BDK was what S3?

[proper roost]

bear after the wildfire would just outheal me in 50% of packs in s2

and that

[waxen frigate]

BDK in df was never overly remarkable

[waxen frigate]

Skill issue

[proper roost]

required LITERALLY ZERO INPUT

It just procced whenever the bear spent like 200 rage

[tulip oar]

If it was in S3 than yes, I did miss it.

[proper roost]

which they did a lot

because

thats

what they do

💀

[waxen frigate]

S2

[graceful kite]

Stop hitting paladins when they're down

[waxen frigate]

Vdh was the only tank that existed in s3/4

[tulip oar]

Not a surprise.

[proper roost]

and no it wasnt just s3 there were whole strats around isolating ur bdk so he could solo a thing in world first keys

while rest of ur group fucked off and 4 manned shit

just goofy to complain about wog

when ppal was the least egregious tank in df

ok, second least

pwar existed

[graceful kite]

dunno pwar was insane throughout

[proper roost]

and none of u can even talk about pwar since none of u were here for df

[graceful kite]

taking 0 damage in all m+ content is kind of crazy

[proper roost]

i remember the real ones and 99% of u fotm TWW rollers aren't it

except nish (did not play pwar...)

[graceful kite]

I remember telling my healer to cast some heal on me in 20 second because I'll drop to 90% hp in that time

[waxen frigate]

Are the world first key BDKs from season 3 in the room with us now

[tulip oar]

I remember tanking a decent amount in S1 and S2. I stopped playing shortly after Aug voker release. 3k IO Fury warrior, and I was waiting hours cause I wasn't one of the 3 meta dps.

[proper roost]

3k io was just starting to do keys in s2, title was like 3800

the experience is just not worth, also, gelly got title on that season and he was playing arms

[graceful kite]

thats my second account and I didn't raid on war

[proper roost]

even less good than fury for "meta"

i think if u played that many weeks of s2 df and you forgot bear its cooked

bear was insane meta in s2 because it was half a healer by itself

on top of motw

s2 atw rolls around laughing at the floor at the prot pally spending 3 hopo to wog one person at a time (note: bear also had a talent they always took to be able to big HT someone at will for like 60-80%)

[pearl zinc]

How much of a % difference are warrior hero talents for prot in raid?

Can I comfortably play both or

[bleak breach]

what's fueled by violence like with colossus?

seems like it could be decent with the deep wounds buffs

[waxen frigate]

It’s close enough to play either

[jagged pier]

around 10k dps

[waxen frigate]

Colossus cring tho

[pearl zinc]

Poggies ty nish and jakey

[jagged pier]

but that is playing colossus perfectly

[pearl zinc]

Oh

[jagged pier]

and your far weaker defensively playing colossus

[pearl zinc]

I’m guessing that’s cringe and hard

[waxen frigate]

Idk about hard but cringe yes

[pearl zinc]

Kk I’ll keep that in mind

Cringe is a deal breaker

[lofty warren]

getting buffed too

[pearl zinc]

I’m stealing nomes car again

[jagged pier]

cringe

[strong forum]

I needed that

[oblique garnet]

Skill issue

[pearl zinc]

Skill issue

Like late said

[pallid quiver]

i know we say overall sb buff uptime doesn't matter compared to effective uptime, but like

send help, i had to heal a tank who had an overall uptime of roughly 0%

[sweet summit]

waow... (based based based)

[pallid quiver]

my guy was dying to two mobs; we had to blast the third mob in the packs that were being pulled or he was fucking toast

he died faster than the DPS

[vagrant pilot]

prot warrior without sb is basically a dps

[waxen frigate]

Chad

[oblique radish]

i would leave.

[coral quartz]

hey all

is there a WA for spell reflect in as what we can

[rigid yew]

When you're playing Prot War and never realized you had an ability called shield block.
Healer trying to keep them up - I'm fighting for my life!! This is harder than raid nights!

[rigid yew]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

[coral quartz]

Thank you

[neon elk]

Yd i had a druid co tank in hc raid ( pug) that had 20% IF uptime and like 150k less dps than me , needles to say 3rd boss was pain until we replaced him

[formal meadow]

what crafter gear do we go for?

dredger?

[rigid yew]

Embellishments or slots?

[formal meadow]

slots

like these

we can't make algari right?

or is it just pvp?

[rigid yew]

You can never go wrong with weapon / shield. Those are usually listed as first choice in every guide. After that, filling in lowest ilvl slots.
The actual item in the list should be epic? I haven't actually looked at it yet. Loads of time to take the game slow and have fun.

[formal meadow]

what one handed weapon? thereés no difference between sword axe and such or is it?

[rigid yew]

No
They should all have the same stats

[fresh merlin]

what ilvl should I min have for mythic dungeons as prot?

shitty player

[tawdry dirge]

what are you guys crafting with your sparks?

and where to use the embelishments best

[tawdry dirge]

did it as 576 was fine if you go slow and steady i am avarage player too

[fresh merlin]

okey thx

[tawdry dirge]

and ofc depends on your group

wouldnt recomend that as in pugs

[fresh merlin]

what about the raid? not lfr

[tawdry dirge]

we have been 580 on normal that was totaly fine

[fresh merlin]

okey cool thx

[tawdry dirge]

imo nothing really hurted in normal for warri

[untold hornet]

Normal was clean, but heroic has some heavy hits if you aren’t ready.

[steel mist]

guys, is the ara kara trinket worth it?

[untold hornet]

Nerfed but still probably bis

[steel mist]

I simmed myself and its a dps loss

like -2% damage loss

[dusky hare]

compared to?

[steel mist]

necro wake chain trinket and the vomit raid trinket

[untold hornet]

Yea what do you have right now, it’s a solid primary stat

[jagged pier]

just link the sim so we can have context

[cedar jetty]

hey I just got duelist's dancing steel (hero), what's the best weapon enchant and why?

[untold hornet]

Radiant power and depths are tied, but I want to say depths is a bit better. For cost purposes, go radiant power. For min max, go depths. Both have single target procs, and radiant power gives you main stat. I want to say depths procs more often is all

[cedar jetty]

radiant is 6k more

got depths, ty

[tribal wharf]

i only did a R2 depths cuz cost

[steel mist]

umm

here you go

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5rNjPgQYkbDtZECShejHCc

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

i wonder why a 593 trinket isnt as good as 2 606 trinkets?

oh yer raw strength

on the other 2

[tribal wharf]

well, not all trinkets have + str static

[steel mist]

is that why its better than the other?

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

13 ilvls is a lot

[tribal wharf]

this doesnt have any main stat for example

[steel mist]

having two clickables is a pain in the ass

[jagged pier]

u also cant sim tome because theres no string for it

pretty sure thats still your best

[steel mist]

tome?

believe it or not that shit saved me against the silken court

[tribal wharf]

im not sure that 2 on use item even works correctly, i swe i was putting the larynx and the mastery stone on bars

[jagged pier]

no it didnt

and thats not how u use it

[steel mist]

magic absorb?

[jagged pier]

is should be perma in twineblades

[jagged pier]

thats not tome

[steel mist]

ok maybe i was blind then

[tribal wharf]

and it would like, whatever item i used it would go to the top slot or something?
it was weird and i've never ever liked on use trinkets even since the days of 2004 wow

another button to bind another thing to worry about in this niche scenario, no, i want proc or stat stick

dual on use is i have never liked it at all

except 1 time hunter

[neon elk]

Bind on use into something else unless its like deff trinket or some very special one

[tribal wharf]

font from ashzara

[neon elk]

Nost can be paired to something

[tribal wharf]

thats only excuse period i will use dual on use

font was actually very hard to use, cuz it was was a 4 second full channel you had to do to get the 30 + second buff

you move too early, only get literal half the buff

[neon elk]

It was pain to use, not hard to use

Ez in raid, bit painful in m+

[tribal wharf]

4 second channel doesnt SOUND bad

but in active combat, its a fucking enternity

cuz your just sat there like an idiot, unable to do anything but channel this buff,

swirls and shit going off, missed 3-4 gcds

[strange hedge]

thoughts on tank trinkets after buffs?

[limber light]

Guys what do u think im ATM at 27% haste. Is into the fray woth it ?

[jagged pier]

no

its 40% unbuffed

[limber light]

Okay thx thats a long way to to 😂

[dusky canopy]

Guys I have 11% Crit do you think I can tank heroic dungeon?

[jagged pier]

no

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

brew youre banned from dungeons

[plush tendon]

thought it was 35% unbuffed?

[lusty grotto]

no

[dusky canopy]

Queen was a fun fight so far

We didn’t make it out of p1

[jagged pier]

when was it ever 35%?

[dusky canopy]

But still pretty cool

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

I’m assigned to a pool soak

[jagged pier]

i mean that might be the swapping point in DF

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

but u still want 40% haste anyways

and ITF is nerfed now

so less effective

[plush tendon]

[tribal wharf]

2% haste loss makes it so bad that it can only really be taken at 40% haste, where, in previous expansions it was 10% haste and we took it around 30%?

im not really doubting it, but it just seems really clear cut when you put it that way

[wooden widget]

The consideration being that you lose SB uptime? Or is it also a dmg loss?

To take itf before 40%

[placid magnet]

Guys, I fear a nerf coming soon... please tell me I'm wrong

[cosmic canyon]

nerf

[lusty grotto]

idk what world youre living in but

why would we even get nerfed

we're still mid in damage

4 tanks are basically better than us

and the meta isnt favoring us either in m+

[placid magnet]

I live in a world where i'm not planning on doing progress, my team mates are bad, and I shine a bit too much 😄

[lusty grotto]

ok and that deserves a nerf for the entire class?

[graceful kite]

you're wrong

[lusty grotto]

too narrow of a perspective

[graceful kite]

Prot paladin probably needs flat armor buffs but other tanks are all good

[placid magnet]

you're right. I'm starting to breath again

ty

[waxen cradle]

I do honestly wish Blizzard would come off of this whole fence they are straddling about wanting to make tank trinkets valuable and make dps trinkets less valuable. They really do walk a very narrow and dangerous line with this whole "tanks should want tank trinkets mentality" that they have

on the one side I see there point of view they want us to do less damage and cry baby dps to not bitch that a tank rolled on there trinket or beat them in damage, but I dont forsee good things coming from there whole wade into the deep side of the pool mentality of tanks should "want" tank trinkets

[lusty grotto]

they should just eliminate tank trinkets as a whole

and just make dps trinkets

[shut summit]

tank trinkets should be strong and restricted to tanks, this whole nerfing dps trinkets / cantrips is so lame as the answer

[lusty grotto]

they should just make every tank trinket something like dreadplates

just use that as a base, thats it, or eliminate them altogether

most healing trinkets suck too

[waxen cradle]

Well the downside I fear of them making us "want" tank trinkets is how good do you have to make a tank trinket to make us "want" to use them. And if the trinket is that good then really its a no brainer of course we would want to use it, but then you fall into the area of do they screw up tuning and make us dependent on them.

[shut summit]

personally would rather have that than what we currently have

[waxen cradle]

Yeah just makes me uneasy to imagine them creating trinkets for tanks that feel near required to do our jobs as tanks, or that fill some gap that a specific tank may not excell at because then it feels terrible when you dont have it

I don't know maybe they will get it right this time

[shut summit]

trinkets/cantrips that are reduced should at least indicate it in their tooltip too

Red text or says reduce effectiveness for tanks/healers etc

[waxen cradle]

would certainly be nice thats for sure, not like it would be hard to add a few lines of text to a trinket

[lusty grotto]

id say the biggest problem isnt power, its just that the current trinkets are just not well designed mechanically

look at the taunt shield one for example

[waxen cradle]

though the reduction in value would need to be very evident because in a world where X boss requires X amount of dps to burn down, or even for healers where a boss requires X amount of healing... how much of a reduction in value does a trinket need to have for a unintendted spec to not use it

[lusty grotto]

should just slap specs in them as a hard restriction

its not something new to WoW

[waxen cradle]

because how many will at the end of the day still say... "well it gives less value but its still more damage so I rolling for it and using it"

[lusty grotto]

"can only equip if youre blood, guardian, vengeance, prot, prot, or brewmaster"

and/or use its effect

[jagged pier]

i mean tomes pretty jucied and is tank only

[waxen cradle]

Yeah that would be far and away a HUGE improvement

[jagged pier]

but that is an outlier and will get nerfed in S2

[lusty grotto]

there's always 1 in a sea of garbage

[waxen cradle]

yeah exactly if it does not before then

I see Tome getting hit with the nerf sledgehammer before S2

something along the lines of " We have discovered that Tome is doing a unintended amount of damage for tanks and will have it's damage reduced for all tank specializations on the next weekly maintenance"

[minor wyvern]

If a tank can look at my log need help getting better dps in raid:
#449510248579858432 message

[lusty grotto]

your SS APM is super low

16+ with thane's resets i'd say

maybe more

youre just not hitting it

[proper roost]

bruh

[shut summit]

yep exactly

[waxen cradle]

yeah I would say more also

[proper roost]

rsham ancestors have their healing determined

by character GUID

so my dps shaman got 50x the healing than anyone else in the raid all night because CH kept jumping through me

[lusty grotto]

and you had 7 TCs with outburst

[proper roost]

💀 what the fuck

[lusty grotto]

tl;dr: press SS more, use outburst on SS more

its queen normal so... there shouldn't be enough adds on platform phases to press TC with outburst

outburst SS or TB (in platforms)

well... outside of bridge guys

but those die fast enough anyways

[waxen cradle]

I don't know on the trinket subject I will hope for the best and wait for the expected inevitable mushroom cloud that follows tremendous destruction. That not to say I don't trust Blizzard because lets be fair tuning as of late has gotten better then I have seen it in quite some time. I just don't know what to expect from this path they are taking so we will see.

[lusty grotto]

unless tanks bring up the topic, i doubt anything is gonna change

[waxen cradle]

yeah exactly

[lusty grotto]

they probably arent even aware of tank trinkets sucking

[waxen cradle]

you think ?

[minor wyvern]

So if i resume, i should shield slam more than thunderclap except when he proc right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean, we dont usually talk about what you mentioned here

so 🤷

[lusty grotto]

queen is mostly an ST fight, yes you should be hitting SS a lot A LOT more

that number needs to be WAY higher

[plush tendon]

I think they are aware

[lusty grotto]

11 APM is not good

[plush tendon]

but their solution was 'nerf dps trinks for tanks' rather then 'make tank trinkets good'

[lusty grotto]

apm = actions per minute, in case you dont know

[blazing condor]

god i love rolling together with 20 people for the same trinket

it fucking rocks

[plush tendon]

which is silly cause S4 DF had a nice selection of reworked tank trinkets

[waxen cradle]

Yeah would be nice to be able to see more of there big picture when it comes to there decisions besides the whole " We feel tanks are doing more damage then we would like, and feel dps trinkets are too valuable to tanks"

[plush tendon]

the Ara Kara trinket is a disaster

literally everyone and their mother wants it

[waxen cradle]

Yeah it really is

[blazing condor]

not my mother she's only level 70-something still

[waxen cradle]

lets make 1 trinket BiS for like everyone

[plush tendon]

its just bad design

[waxen cradle]

it really is

[plush tendon]

like, Im fine if every trinket is a stat stick proc

id rather have boring trinkets then bad attempts at making 'interseting ones'

[shut summit]

well it wasn't specifically trinkets, they said in general they don't want our breakdown being proc stuff

[plush tendon]

like, slot in some prim stat + stat proc trinkets

[minor wyvern]

thx i was not aware

[plush tendon]

make a prim stat +on use

idk man

[shut summit]

which is why like rings with procs and embellishments are nerfed too

[waxen cradle]

well if its a stat stick proc then there is no misunderstanding its purpose its a matter of equip it and forget it

[plush tendon]

ideal

[shut summit]

just feels bad / like punished for being a tank

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[waxen cradle]

it really does, I thought they liked people wanting to tank, did they suddenly change there minds on that ?

[plush tendon]

shouldve just copied All-Totem, Cheat Death, and Rageheart/Dreadplate

copy and paste those trinkets, maybe mix em up a bit so it looks like you didnt just copy your HW

and boom

done

[lusty grotto]

why did you not mention dreadplates s4

[blazing condor]

thats your homework to do

[lusty grotto]

one of the best tank trinkets ever after changes

[plush tendon]

Dreadplate/Rageheart kind of similar in what they do in my opinion

a nice on-use defensive

[waxen cradle]

hell between that and all of my healer buddies telling me how bad there throughput as healers feels now its almost as though they are trying to drive people away from healing or tanking

[lusty grotto]

dreadplates is better

[plush tendon]

good trinket

[robust urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-mad-fish-sponge-bob-angry-gif-15430458

DREADPLATES

[lusty grotto]

also rageheart would have been much better if it was a partial shield

first, because partial shields arent that good for non tanks

[waxen cradle]

Dreadplates was life... all hail Dreadplates S4

[lusty grotto]

and second, because partial shields are AMAZING for tanks

so if treemouth had a damage part, it would have been perfect

and if rageheart had a partial shield instead, it would have been perfect

[proper roost]

wtf they buffed dreadplates to be good in s4?

[waxen cradle]

who was it that came in here and could not figure out how Treemouths killed them S4 I still snicker to myself about that

[proper roost]

wild

[plush tendon]

not comparing the three

just saying a solid 'on-use defensive' like those three is what we would like

[trim condor]

delves 8 today on my hunter, wtf is their hotfixes last days, I fear next week with my prot, how long it will take

[plush tendon]

[robust urchin]

Delves are supossed to be the mythic raiding for soccor moms and mouth breathers

[waxen cradle]

They don't know how they want delves tuned yet I think, they keep nerfing/buffing every couple of days

[robust urchin]

Its on puprose that they suck

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooo

yeah next week delves wont matter

outside of alts i guess

[minor wyvern]

@lusty grotto Thx for these tips i will work on a better rotation. Also how i can see action per minute in warcraft log like you show me?

[waxen cradle]

^^^^^^Exactly on the wont matter next week

[lusty grotto]

then select yourself

[plush tendon]

I like delves

[trim condor]

I want all transmogs for ship, but this is cancerous, every few days, I have better bran and gear and its slower and slower

[robust urchin]

Tier 11 Delve=Cutting Edge Zekvir=HoF for casual players

[plush tendon]

I still think they are great for alts

[robust urchin]

Its endgame

[plush tendon]

If you don’t wanna get carried in a weekly 10

But still want a semi relevant item

At the end of week

[lusty grotto]

yeah they are good for alts

[plush tendon]

And I do enjoy them

Especially on undergeared characters

And as a tank

[waxen cradle]

I do feel Blizzard is trying HARD to slow down how fast we as players consume content though and that seems troubling to me as that just aint gonna happen

[robust urchin]

Why

[plush tendon]

I agree with the slowdown

But 3 weeks was too much

[robust urchin]

Blizzard already laid out a plan for this expac

[waxen cradle]

yeah 3 weeks was overkill

[robust urchin]

S1 S2 Fated Delve Season Fated Raid Season

[plush tendon]

M0 should’ve been out week 1

[formal meadow]

is it worth it now to make Everforged Defender

[waxen cradle]

Only if you have epicly bad luck getting a shield and the first boss of Palace drops a heroic shield

[formal meadow]

havent raided yet

[lusty grotto]

depends on what you expect from vault, and/or if youre able to get a hero/myth shield fairly fast

decide after reset

[formal meadow]

ok!

LFR should give the shield aswell right?

[waxen cradle]

not ideal stats but hey its a shield, I could care less if the stats are perfect early on, I have all season to hunt my ideal shield

[lusty grotto]

LFR is vet track

so idk about that

[waxen cradle]

yeah but normal is such a joke to kill I would just do normal

[proper roost]

this is not true man i'm telling you

delves are the #1 way to farm valorstones

[lusty grotto]

LFR shield would be good if you have less than veteran track basically

[proper roost]

it's fucked up

[coarse sparrow]

not everyone is a sweat lord. People do have jobs/other priorities

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre right kanga

[proper roost]

you get like 500 stones from a 5x radiant echo

full raid group

5 minutes

blizzardo why would u do this now i HAVE to do delves...

[waxen cradle]

yeah true if less that veteran track get that one and work your way up, not downplaying a LFR shield, if you have below vet track get it work your way up

[plush tendon]

Cool: M0 still should’ve been out

[robust urchin]

You absolutly do not have to do anything

[proper roost]

they're forcing me with a gun

ion hazzikostas lives in my floorboards

[robust urchin]

Karate chop ther nuts

[proper roost]

[waxen cradle]

he seems the type

[plush tendon]

Do the pvp thing and make a crafted 606-610 shield

[waxen cradle]

he should dress up as a goblin for halloween he is already half way there

[robust urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[waxen cradle]

he seems a very monotone person to me... not Ben Stein level but not far off either

[proper roost]

dude all the pvp crafters were trying to stiff me for 15k

real fucked up

[robust urchin]

Warrior Nerfed tomorrow

[proper roost]

what was up with that

"ooh i need to use concentration" Well I'm already paying you 5k. Use the concentration. Sheesh!

[robust urchin]

Dont be poor buy more tokens

[proper roost]

i am not supporting filthy wagies

(crafters)

[waxen cradle]

lol warrior nerfed tomorrow

[robust urchin]

Ur the wagie (tank slave)

[violet ginkgo]

well minor to the dpses and the tank only got very minor buff from the hero talent.

[waxen cradle]

3 hour "Scheduled Maintenance" tomorrow huh ? uh huh sure... to quote the movie Super Troopers (freaking hilaroius movie if not seen it btw) "I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbert"

[lusty grotto]

ripnimchip coming through

honestly i still dont know what the fuck im supposed to be doing as bdk, it feels so slow lmao

like what am i supposed to do when i dont have runes augusto

TELL ME

[dusky canopy]

@proper roost oh shit we never did MO

[robust urchin]

Sucking (blood to heal yourself)

[proper roost]

did you already tombstone

[earnest nymph]

is FbV not in contention at all in TWW?

[proper roost]

yeah m0 is lame anyway tho i'm down for keys next week anytime

[robust urchin]

Can i come too 🥺

[proper roost]

(nimchip is being weird about doing keys)

[dusky canopy]

I’m off work wed-fri so we ball

[proper roost]

friday

[lusty grotto]

my schedule is fluid

except for tues/wed and fri/sat

[waxen cradle]

Nimchip all I can do is rate the mog I will give 7/10 bro

[lusty grotto]

so fluid 3 days a week 😉

[proper roost]

i think the plan is get 8 10s and then i'm just gonna start spamming 9s for hero 1/6s

just spam 9s all week p much

[plush tendon]

what dont you have runes?

[proper roost]

he marrowstriked too much..

[robust urchin]

and got so far

but in the end

it didnt even matter

[lusty grotto]

go into pack, marrowstrike, apply dot, consumption, marrowstrike is usually what i do up to 8 stacks and then just fuck around with deathstrike and heartstrike unless exterminate procs

is that right?

[waxen cradle]

consumption grants 2, and yeah cut down on Marrowrend, goal is keep it no lower than 6 so if at 12 you can hold back 🙂

[lusty grotto]

keep d&d up etc

[plush tendon]

two marrowstrikes like that is cursed

DRW gives boneshield

[neon elk]

U also usualy dont wanna to use marrow unless its exterminate proc or in drw

[lusty grotto]

also holy shit how do you guys not go crazy with the constant healer cds popping up

[plush tendon]

gripping gives boneshield

[lusty grotto]

yes and death's caress

im just using it as an example

[waxen cradle]

yeah you get lots and lots of free DnD's as Deathbringer so throw DnD on every free cast, and if specced which I would think you are even after DnD visual goes away its technically still there for 4 more seconds so get a aura to track full actual duration

[lusty grotto]

yeah i have that

which is what i always reference when it comes to prot palashitters and consecration

[plush tendon]

follow this as your opener

[lusty grotto]

what does raise dead even do

[plush tendon]

and after first pack, you should generally be heading into new pack with boneshields

[neon elk]

U dont , u either have healer that knows how and when to heal bdk or u dont

[plush tendon]

he does some damage

no reason not to press it

[lusty grotto]

lol

i press it but

[waxen cradle]

summons ghoul and you get free damage

[plush tendon]

can honsetly macro it to every ability

[lusty grotto]

im like tf does he do

[loud patrol]

i want a class that let me sacrifice my teammates for power

[plush tendon]

he just slaps a target

[waxen cradle]

he does a little damage and dies basically

again

[plush tendon]

for minor damage

[waxen cradle]

dies again

[lusty grotto]

i miss when you could death coil it

for a heal

idk if thats even possible still

[plush tendon]

you can coil it

just dont

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[waxen cradle]

yeah, I miss death pacting him, they should put that back in, I use to use him as primarily a free heal

[plush tendon]

death pact is still in the game

its just not very good

[waxen cradle]

yeah I know it just sucks... took the words out of my mouth before I could type

not as fast a typer as you 😛

[plush tendon]

but honestly Nim, you want to press Marrow as little as humanly possible

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt happen in pugs

did LFR this morning

[plush tendon]

if you have to Marrow twice within 10 seconds... something is going terribly wrong

[proper roost]

Tombstone and drw into packs

[lusty grotto]

and naowh's shit goes BAM! every time a healer cd goes up

[proper roost]

not in that order*

[lusty grotto]

so LFR = BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM heal to full with deathstrike

its driving me crazy

[proper roost]

yo wtf death grip gives bone shield now

this is baby easy mode version of bdk..

yall trippin!

[waxen cradle]

well in a perfect world you "should not" have to Marrowrend twice in 10 seconds because of all boneshield stacks are gone there is a problem

[proper roost]

in m0s you probably even get soul reaper proccing nonstop

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[plush tendon]

we dont SR that often in M0

only on ST

[proper roost]

you don't need to spam it just like

[plush tendon]

better to spend rune on a Heart Strike

[proper roost]

u running away from a dying pack to pull the next noe

you SR a guy to refresh everything for next pack

croggers

SR tech owns

[waxen cradle]

I am a damage fiend so my runes go to HStrike

well unless I need them elsewhere

[proper roost]

(there was a brief period when SR was ok for like legion bdk or something i don't remember exactly but it owned every time)

[plush tendon]

I generall throw out a DC/Marrow if leaving a pack to go to next

to refresh the timer on boneshield

[waxen cradle]

reapers mark exterminate procs make me get all drooly and excited, hard to look away because I know its gonna slap so hard

[proper roost]

is it still 30s

[plush tendon]

SR is only worth for the damage explode on ST

[proper roost]

plenty of time

[plush tendon]

runic corruption is meh (I also think its nerfed for BDK)

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I dont like RCorruption either, I find it hilarious how hard they are trying to shift people towards San'Layn

with the buffs tomorrow

[proper roost]

well it's not really about personal dps it's just chainpulling big stacks is higher group deepus

depends if you have like a rogue i guess

i hate rogues

[waxen cradle]

I dont hate rogues I do hate how useful they are though

[proper roost]

outlaw rogue screeching while i was chain pulling m0s because he couldn't restealth all dungeon 🤦

[plush tendon]

they just trying to make it less poop

still not good enough

[waxen cradle]

also not gonna lie seeing as how I played a rogue up through vanilla-Wrath

I like how assasin is great this time around

[proper roost]

it's funny how well they hit on the mark for hero talents for some classes and completely whiffed for others

warrior and dk sounds fucked but shaman is like :chefkiss: (not enh)

[waxen cradle]

@plush tendon Oh I absolutely agree, not unlike how they keep trying to polish the turd that is Colossus Prot

When its damage is not the issue, its issue is its horrible rage economy or complete lack of

[lusty grotto]

i like colossus

[waxen cradle]

Hmm does Demonlish feel good and slap : Yes/ Do we have the rage economy to keep the rotation going and not be squishy : No

[lusty grotto]

and i didnt like the idea, or watching it in beta

but once i played it

i liked it

its legion prot

just for the sake of being different than DF+BFA prot

makes it refreshing

i do still feel melee shouldnt have channeled spells but

demolish isnt too bad with haste

[waxen cradle]

I like it fine, I just hate how its rage economy is, and how I feel starved for rage and less safe within my rotation. OH MAN does it slap, I just dont like getting slapped to the ground playing it

[lusty grotto]

it'll feel amazing with gear

mark my words

[proper roost]

sounds like i have to get my bdk alt up, this bdk redesign sounds fun (i do agree tombstone gameplay is lame but it is what it is, would be kinda boring without tombstone entirely)

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I think so too

[lusty grotto]

i dont think i would go thane for parse runs

colossus perma

raid parse runs that is

even vault keys maybe, but with gear

[waxen cradle]

once more gear when I want to really go in and slap the hell out of things I will run Colossus for sure

[proper roost]

nimchip when he terrorizes me with colossus runs

me when i'm terrorized by nimchip running colossus*

nimchip when he's terrorizing

[waxen cradle]

which to be fair seems like the way of things for warrior, we usually have one scenario where when geared we slap hard

[lusty grotto]

that applies to everybody

thats just old school thinking that it only applies to warrior

or that we're somehow stronger late game, than other classes

[proper roost]

tank dps scaling is up to the whims of the gods

[waxen cradle]

so for Colossus that seems the way... it will be nice once we have more gear to go Colossus and raid friends are like so yeah he is going Colossus to slap hard

[proper roost]

(blizzard)

[waxen cradle]

Yeah true I did kind of bait myself into that mentality though I dont feel that we are the only ones that scale like that anymore, or that we do more so than others

I just want meh haste back, give meh haste more haste and meh crit

Saw a dude in a pug the other day in a guild named bigolecritties had to acknowledge that dudes cool, he was a warrior also

[round pendant]

wcl should separate parses by hero talents

fight me

[lusty grotto]

id say that would be a good idea

[cosmic canyon]

How would you approach 'fast pulling' in +M situations with colossus instead of thane?

Once you group up mobs, what is the priority of attacks/defenses? To maintain threat on everything before you go ham with hero talent?

Guess it's no different really. Except you'd have to be more careful not to lose threat up until that point.

[fierce skiff]

As someone who is fairly new to tanking let alone i am brand new to warrior would Prot be a good first tank to try and push with pugs? I have been a Rogue for most of my mythic+ life so i am mechanically aware and what not just not trying to struggle bus into the tanking world. I really like prot so far.

[sweet summit]

ya prot is fun as fuck

[plush tendon]

any tank is fine for a first tank

[sweet summit]

to me it feels intuitive so shouldn't be too hard to puck up

[plush tendon]

more important to pick one and get good at it

[fierce skiff]

I am currently leveling them all and had the most fun with war so far.

[plush tendon]

Also helps that Prot War is prob the most straightforward tank and honestly the easiest to play (at least in my opinion)

[sweet summit]

(this channel is totally not 100% biased towards prot)

[plush tendon]

[sweet summit]

@gProt

[sly heron]

Just don’t let the mobs tickle your back is all

[fierce skiff]

I am afraid to say it out loud cause what i declare i am gonna main usually gets nerfed… so i am maining Boomy 💀

[toxic pewter]

have u guys crafted any items yet

[sweet summit]

is siege still faction dependant?

[toxic pewter]

its always alliance version now

[sweet summit]

FUCK!!!!!!!!

[vocal cave]

I have both sikran endless arsenal and foul behemoth and the later outdps sikran's by a lot

on the same ilvl

[waxen cradle]

yeah Siege always alliance version is a big but oh well

[lusty grotto]

is big garbage

[waxen cradle]

to be fair I do play DiD but any time I want to feel better about myself I hop on a horde toon and go slaughter gnomes in Gnomeragan its my therapy

[dense coral]

why i get my first champion item a f* polarm while im prot specceed 🤢

[solemn venture]

Do tanks not use threat meter addons anymore?

[lusty grotto]

no

its been a fucking long while

[proper roost]

that hasnt been a thing for like legit 20 years

[lusty grotto]

dps meter is your threat meter

more dps = more threat

[solemn venture]

haha, im coming from classic so 😄

[lusty grotto]

weirdge, threat meter should only be a thing in base+tbc

[solemn venture]

But arent there situations in raids when you want to be 2nd on threat as an offtank but not pulling aggro from main tank?

[lusty grotto]

if anything

no

if youre pulling agro as offtank, the other tank is sleeping

and playing incorrectly

[rigid yew]

The game has a simple built in threat meter

[proper roost]

there's like 5 flavors of (active) classic atm

[jagged pier]

threats an easy game now if u are loosing threat to a co tank u are playing wrong

its not on them to stop their rotation because you cant do yours

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats another thing

there's no "offtank"

theres 2 tanks

[jagged pier]

^^

and if u play correctly

[solemn venture]

Aight, cool

[jagged pier]

any tank

there are no threat issues

[lusty grotto]

do more dps, and youll be fine in threat

any tank that loses agro to you, is bad

and if they complain they are worse

[rigid yew]

The only issues you might come accross is if you are under or overgeared compared to your co-tank. You or they might have to spam taunt if neither is willing to stop dps rotations. And it really only matters on bosses that require hard swapping to manage one-shot tank debuffs.

[waxen cradle]

its funny you say that Nim because in SO MANY pugs in DF I would rip off other tanks and I would get the whole " why you taunt bro" ?

[lusty grotto]

point them to the taunt DR weakaura if they cant tell if youre taunting or not

[toxic pewter]

I have been keeping track, I have ripped aggro off 5 other pug tanks so far. 2 bears, 3 prot warr

[dawn geode]

i'm actually ripping off pug tanks off pull as well on opener it's funny

[rigid yew]

You assume they know what WA is

[waxen cradle]

I would be like I did not taunt, and they would be like.... there is no way you pulled from me... and then I would do it again 🙂

[lusty grotto]

if thats the case, then whatever they say means nothing

[jagged pier]

no i literally did lfr on the weekend where my cotank was around the same as me i kept grabbing aggro

also a warrior

[fierce skiff]

That dude was trying to afk in LFR.

[toxic pewter]

yeah I rip aggro off other prot warriors more than any other tank probably

[lusty grotto]

i had a bear spam taunt silkran on LFR this morning

[jagged pier]

he kept taunting on cd

[lusty grotto]

i just let him die on the combo

on my BDK

well, not willingly

taunt DR 🙂

[waxen cradle]

normally what I do when they say there is no way I ripped aggro is 1. I do it again, and then if they still dont believe me... I give them a 10 second lead and then rip from them again

I got kicked from a lot of pugs for that, proudly I might add

[lusty grotto]

tank ego man

[fierce skiff]

My favorite is while leveling i watch hunter pets die cause pet taunts lol.

[lusty grotto]

same as FFXIV every single fucking tank wants to be the main character

so they spam taunt when they lose threat

[toxic pewter]

wat u mean i am the main character

[rigid yew]

I don't think you'll ever come across a situation where you have to absolutely swap tanks in a LFR boss. LFR is just... have fun...? It's pretty damn boring to me though.
Normal is a good starting place. Heroic is usually where I finish (AOTC).

[lusty grotto]

well

sikran will delete someone

on the 2nd tank combo at least

[fierce skiff]

Meh in ff14 if i open on my warrior you dont get threat you just afk while I show people how to dps and heal.

[lusty grotto]

but youre generally right

[lusty grotto]

alliance raids lmaooooo

[rigid yew]

Yeah there's a few weird cases. That boss last expansion where he did 3 smacks and you had to taunt properly to avoid being one-shot

[lusty grotto]

3 tanks spam provoke, meanwhile adds hitting on people

less of an issue in later ones thank god

[fierce skiff]

Once the adds kill a couple healers the other “tanks” catch on.

[lusty grotto]

they usually dont

lol

but people can tank them anyway so its okay

as healers/dps

[fierce skiff]

Its fine i am not dieing so they will eventually come to me lol.

[lusty grotto]

the funniest one is that one eye dude in cloud of darkness or w/e

3 tanks voking

eye does a spin

[proper roost]

tanking trash really doesn't kill people, idk why new tanks always freak tf out about it

[lusty grotto]

eye beams

10 people either die or get down to 5% hp

[proper roost]

especially in norm or even heroic raid (depends) or keys up to like +7

people can even take a straight up tankbuster if they have a defensive up

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say up to +7

not this season

[proper roost]

i would say up to +10

this season

EASILY

[lusty grotto]

yeahhhh

i feel like youre not in the loop kanga lol

[proper roost]

if i had astral up and stone bulwark I could eat a tank frontal

nah i am, dps defensives are big

[lusty grotto]

keys are gonna be a wakeup call for A LOT of people

[proper roost]

they're not because of the buff

[lusty grotto]

not because they are the first in the exp

[proper roost]

midtier keys are going to be yoke sadly

[lusty grotto]

heh

!remindme

[proper roost]

i literally tanked trash in 24s in s2 on my hpal

[lusty grotto]

this is not s2

[proper roost]

it's really not that crazy

no, but +24 forts are higher dtps than +7 now

[lusty grotto]

we will see

[proper roost]

relative

Easily

Not even close

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[rigid yew]

If you are pulling agro, to avoid it, you have to either stop damage (or like delay each action by like 5 seconds) OR they have to spam taunt (most cases it just needs to be one taunt at the right time every 1min or so, they don't have to spam it on CD). Essentially damage = agro. If you look at the damage meters and ripping threat you will probably be well above them.
Opposite is true for the other way around.
The game has a built in percentage display for threat. Once you start seeing it go red or like 110% or so you are going to rip threat off and vice-versa it will start dropping and going orange/yellow.

[proper roost]

i mean, you can say we will see - the title players are saying sub 12 keys are tuned way too easy but

🤷 idk think the ppl spamming beta keys before it closed know

[plush tendon]

I dont take the opinion of title players seriously for anything but top keys

[sweet summit]

what's the cap on gear rewards from EoD chest?

and vault for that matter

[proper roost]

i do, title players r just regular guys who play 40 hours a week

[sweet summit]

i am so out of it idk anything anymore

[proper roost]

they're not insanely based or anything just try a lot

[plush tendon]

they arent the norm

[lusty grotto]

title players also did beta keys with gear scaling

and 3/6 myth

[plush tendon]

they actually can play the game well

[proper roost]

i don't care about the average player

[plush tendon]

which is not normal

[proper roost]

the average player can't do a +10

[plush tendon]

I do

[rigid yew]

Some are going to be hit hard with the ban hammer for looting bosses extra times.

[jagged pier]

again guys the average wow player doesnt do m+

[proper roost]

all I was saying is me, knowing the limitations of my character, i know for sure I can tank a few fort mobs on +10 and live