protection

[chilly brook]

Quite literally confidence like I said/imposter syndrome

I always question myself on jumping to a more progressed guild because I haven’t done the fights etc. but at the end of the day every time I’ve done it it’s like no big deal, pick it up in 3-5 pulls

[robust urchin]

Imposter syndrome is used very liberally these days are you sure you had that?

[chilly brook]

Yes

I get paid to do my job, I still feel like sometimes I don’t belong

Even though I’m obviously good enough to make it a career

[robust urchin]

You can also mark areas yogi did you know that?

[chilly brook]

I’m just always in my own head

Biggest critic

[solid sun]

I just want a dedicated group that knocks out heroic in a timely manner

Preferably one that lets me tank, but that seems impossible

[tribal wharf]

yep, i am quite accustom to using the world markers

i dont want to have to use em, i wish more groups would use world markers or markers in general

[urban basin]

What´s the word on the street regarding crafts for prot warri?

[chilly brook]

Idk you check the pins or the FAQ?

[tribal wharf]

if i can do an entire key with only marking my self as square for tank and literal nothing else in the entire key, and nobody dies and we like 2 chest the key

i am over the fucking moon

[solid sun]

I don’t ever use markers in dungeons

[urban basin]

Sure did, just double check

[solid sun]

I ping sometimes though

[robust urchin]

Great! Good to hear!

[robust urchin]

Make your own pug

[solid sun]

That’s what I do

But it doesn’t hit the same as having a full squad

And pugs left me 6/8 N. I am a baby

[brittle owl]

i have heard stories and i want the truth of it!

@tribal wharf are you

yogi?

[robust urchin]

🥺

[tribal wharf]

tru

[robust urchin]

Sorry for your loss

[brittle owl]

PRAISE THA LAWD

how's it going lad

why the new account

[robust urchin]

Too much fanmail from OF girls on his old account

[brittle owl]

hush boy let the MAN speak

[robust urchin]

teleports behind you and kills you nothing personelle kid

[brittle owl]

get rekt son

[robust urchin]

was actually a hologram

[brittle owl]

lmao imagine getting killed by a hologram

[icy flax]

I feel like pins have completely made markers irrelevant in most contexts

[tribal wharf]

what are the best delves to run as a beginner to them

[icy flax]

Pings*

[tribal wharf]

i only need 1 zero so i will run something i know already

[icy flax]

I love being able to ping things

[brittle owl]

yogi uou don't want to talk with your old pal mael

make me sad smh

[tribal wharf]

the down green arrow is a universal "travel through this direction passage"

green light at traffic

[toxic pewter]

I would say check out fungal folly, can get the feel for the spores in that dungeon and using them to your advantage

[tribal wharf]

literal world wide irl

[icy flax]

There's an on my way ping

[toxic pewter]

markers still play a huge role imo, most people ignore pings

[icy flax]

Also I've never had someone use the arrow to communicate walk thru here but I don't pug much

[robust urchin]

I don't even know how to use pings

🥺

[tribal wharf]

they exist for until you place it new place, and doesnt despawn, is the purpose

[icy flax]

If u ignore pings you might be brain damaged

[toxic pewter]

yeah in pugs markers are crucial for example in broodtwister heroic I did yesterday, raid lead marked the eggs

[icy flax]

Yes for raids it has great use but dungeons less so

[tribal wharf]

sometimes rarely i will put a skull x world marker for a general "kill location"

[icy flax]

Sorry I was talking in the context of dungeons

You have meanings assigned to these markers that I'd never know happy to learn now tho

[robust urchin]

Like a location where killing is allowed?

[runic night]

At what point should I swap from Heavy Repercussions to Into the Fray? Sitting at 17k Haste rn

[robust urchin]

35%+

[icy flax]

Hp is for noobs

[tribal wharf]

pretty much ya, not allowed is a strong word

but its ideal spot , or whatever this is, needs to die

[proud dock]

anyone know how to hide nameplates if they are too far above/below you? is that even a thing?

[rotund moon]

I want battle-scarred veteran. What are my options for trading talent points? thanks

[strong forum]

dropping shield charge + champions bulwark and picking up bolster + bsv

[rotund moon]

thanks!

[mellow quartz]

now that is a nice drop

[strong forum]

i mean

all youre doing is save like 10k gold

[mellow quartz]

vs that pvp crap?

dont deal with that

[strong forum]

no?

you can just slam 2 sockets

on every jewelery

the setting works on all pve rings and necks

so you get 6 sockets for free

so every ring and neck is viable

cuz you dont need vault socket first

[mellow quartz]

well I clearly havent paid much attention lol but also not even bothered looking at them yet considering the prices of gems yet

none of my gear is enchanted or has gems right now

to cheap for that shit in this early gear

will replace it all next week most likely anyway

[orchid mural]

you can extract it from his raid WA.

[toxic pewter]

nome im sorry if u addressed this before but do u think the meta .15% crit from various gem colors is worth it

[mellow quartz]

it was a minor dps gain

#protection message

I'll personally do the speed one I think

to zoom zoom in keys

[inland raft]

13% haste feels so bad, cant wait to start optimizing stats

[violet ginkgo]

the pain of s1, low haste. But don't worry it'll start feeling good on 20-25%

[inland raft]

o i know been a prot main since vanilla with only occassionally dabbling in other classes/specs just complaining to complain

[violet ginkgo]

oh yeah guys for raid purpose if there is multi adds involved like Ulgrax, Ovi'Nax and Ansurek. Is taking Crackling Thunder Talent to make TC AoE Bigger a valid move or nah no need to take the talent. the normal AoE is enough?

[forest fern]

i mean in a raid you'll likely have 5-6 md's, i don't think gathering range will be an issue

[kind urchin]

Have any of you guys managed to kill Zekvir ?? solo since the changes?

[shut summit]

gotten him to 40%, problem is brann just gets 1shot in p2

p1 is pretty easy / reproducible but then brann just dies

[violet ginkgo]

do we have chance to revive brann midfight?

[jagged pier]

not on that one

i cant realiably get through p1 my bran just wont intuprt sometimes

they need to do some fixes to bran at least

but then again could also be gear warrior isnt my main so low ilvl

[kind urchin]

Brann is... Sketchy at best.

[jagged pier]

ive seen him disenage into fear

so many times

[shut summit]

ye if brann is on his bird he wont kick

[kind urchin]

He keeps getting hit by everything in P1 for me.

[jagged pier]

ive seen him kick on bird once

not while getting on bird tho

[shut summit]

avatar removes the dot so if they line up can just wait on avatar couple secs incase brann fucks up

[strong forum]

gotta wait for nerfs

[inland raft]

should make him auto swap to whatever player is targeting its not as good as direct control but easier to implement

[strong forum]

cuz its currently just bugged

[jagged pier]

yer i know

[strong forum]

brann isnt supposed to be 1shot by spikes

[jagged pier]

but just fixing brann would be fine

[kind urchin]

He likes to not target the cocoon too.

[strong forum]

get the big shot idol

[jagged pier]

with a bit more gear cocoon wouldnt be the problem

[shut summit]

you can force the egg to spawn under the boss, dont really have an issue with him not targetting them

[kind urchin]

How do you force it?

[inland raft]

push him in a corner

[shut summit]

tank him up on the stage in a corner

[jagged pier]

i managed to get him to do it near the entrance door

for 3 eggs in a row

felt like it was pixle stacking tho

to do that there

[inland raft]

ya anywhere that boxes him in he will do on top of himself

[violet ginkgo]

oh yeah meanwhile Jakey/Nome is here, can you help me with something?

[strong forum]

if you pick the idol of final will he will 1shot egg with it

so thats not a problem

[jagged pier]

if it procs at the right time

[strong forum]

it procs at the right time 90% of the time

if not itll just 1shot the spider instead

[inland raft]

i was trying to use rage-filled but he consistently would die every egg spawn

[jagged pier]

nah that bad

for the fight

u cant have brann down for 30 secs

[jagged pier]

what u need?

[tribal wharf]

we kept wiping to final boss of arakara some reason

[trim condor]

is there currently any spec in game who can do ,,let me solo him,, achiv? I just tried it on hunter, prot war and ddruid and tanks dont have dps for that and my hunter got 3,5M melee hit from boss, Bran is folding in 10 secs

[strong forum]

no

[violet ginkgo]

#protection message
just pondering about this one.

[strong forum]

its currently impossible

[jagged pier]

there was before the changes

[strong forum]

because of the delve changes they hotfixed on friday

[jagged pier]

now no cause brann is the issue

[tribal wharf]

i think people werent doing the oil pools right

[trim condor]

alright, its just not me, I even had hard time with single ? as hunter, but its true I have only 570ilvl

[jagged pier]

do what u want it doesnt really matter u gunna hit most the adds anyway as they should stacked/gripped in

[jagged pier]

single should be doable and it easy tbh

might be gear

[violet ginkgo]

I see so normal size AoE is enough and make it bigger is just optional. Thx Jakey.

[trim condor]

you dont have interupts for aoe poison on single ? as hunter and brann barely use his and healing is non existent on hunter. I made it with reviving pet every 10 sec heh

[jagged pier]

u dont have 2 inturpts to do on ?

he doesnt have a heal on that difficulty

so u should be able to get it everytime

maybe he still melees like crazy on ? as well

[true plaza]

who said we prot warriors need dps buffs?

[proud dock]

for bloodhound, the tank above should be on the right adjacent platform right? to maximize turn time for team under?

[trim condor]

poison aoe is more ofteen than hunter 24sec kick

[tribal wharf]

what is a good strategy for final boss of ara kara, that boss hurts

[trim condor]

thats one pull, every tank can ddo that

[tribal wharf]

i forgot that the webs hit for 3 million, but it turned to utter chaos

[true plaza]

thjis btw shows all my dps whole day

so the guys in my group wasnt even top 5

they are 7 9 and 10

11*

[trim condor]

I play multiple tanks, war is not bad dps, but other tanks do insane dps

[true plaza]

this is a boss pull

yea dunno about the others

I know blood dk might be even better

never bothered about the rest

dont like them hahaha

[trim condor]

youre posting detail numbers without context, can be anything tbh. Reflectable bosses/pulls are crazy good on meters forr example

[tribal wharf]

15% more often vampiric strikes

[true plaza]

yea just showing u numbers dont wanna sim to hell now what I did etc I didnt even really care I was amazed myself bro xD

I was like yo wth my damage goes brrr

[trim condor]

in S4, ddetails like this was showed on stream andd youtoube video at academy pull(brewmaster). They get dmg nerfed and when you checked details of dps, it was 50% trinket 😄

[true plaza]

im so mad at this tho

I dont get a pair of boots bois

wthj

they need to go asap

[true plaza]

bro I think sacbrood is also a big part of it

its a great trinket

[tribal atlas]

How is fury warrior not doing one of the highest burst openers

[icy violet]

Hi, today I got Throngus's Finger with 1144 versatility and 515 speed. Is it a good trinket?

[strong forum]

it can provide some defensive fun

its like 15% dodge

but id not actively use it

[icy violet]

Ok, well I'll keep it until I get something better. Thanks

[pallid quiver]

I love that they just let it have the dodge rating

I still find it funny as hell

[tender cove]

Best i could do for the week. Have to go business trip and wont be back until after reset 😦

[tropic tangle]

eh, the play this week is probably a socket anyway

[tender cove]

Its 1 more delve but plane leaves in literally 7 hours and need some sleep 😮

[molten gorge]

Brann messaged me, he said you're a little bitch

🤷‍♂️

[tender cove]

hahaha

[molten gorge]

[tender cove]

says the brann who lies on the floor dead 24/7, so useless xD

[molten gorge]

hahahah

[violet ginkgo]

This is just the DPS in your group just being lazy to press button.

[tender cove]

its off topic but tulsa king released s2 a couple hours ago, gonna tuck myself into the sofa and just enjoy 😄

[slim current]

I’ve been hanging with the homie Brann so much he’s starting to leave his mark on me. What’s that smell?? 👃 lol

[true plaza]

some furys arent that good I suppose

[true plaza]

maybe hahaha

[cerulean tusk]

If I had to guess - DPS blew CDs on trash

cause you pull slow

[true plaza]

bois maybe im lucky but I did all 4 for today

[true plaza]

bro I rush through the things I only get 600+ in my group to make it easier

sometimes people just dont do min maxing I suppose

just casual

which is totally fine btw

[cerulean tusk]

Dont attack the Fury, if you cant handle the Fury

[true plaza]

I will attack u bro

come hereee dude

[cerulean tusk]

I will use my Mod🛡️

[true plaza]

we dont need mods on skyhold

we are all warriors

[cerulean tusk]

Ya know we do, you seen our chats

[true plaza]

hahaha

bois what ilvl should I be to get into heroic raids

wanna do heroic tomorrow as tank

I got 605 am I good to go?

[pallid quiver]

620 ilvl with CE

[cerulean tusk]

As high as you can get, but there is no 'limit'

[true plaza]

bro what

620?!

[pallid quiver]

that's a 630 ilvl now

[cerulean tusk]

635 in another 2min

[true plaza]

I mean I will pug anyway

dont have a guild

[lucid nimbus]

we still use authority of depths on weapon?

[pallid quiver]

You can 100% clear it in 59x gear decently comfortably if mechs are being done

[true plaza]

yea man it slaps

[pallid quiver]

But getting into a pug that can do that is going ti be hard

[true plaza]

are the mechanics the same as for normal

or are there some additions

[pallid quiver]

And as always, pug joining reqs are somethin'

[true plaza]

will look up a guide then to prepare

[pallid quiver]

There's a few additions

For example, 2nd boss adds in a spinny laser of doom you have to deal with

[inland raft]

my great vault doesnt show delves at all just the old raid/dungeon/pvp but pvp is blacked out and just shows checkmarks which would correspond to delve completion

[true plaza]

ahhh yea will check out a guide for sure

[pallid quiver]

1st boss is 100% the same, though

[true plaza]

what item will u go for in ur first vault bois

if u get what u really want ofc

[pallid quiver]

I think all the others have at least something extra for heroic

[true plaza]

like what would be first priority and will u turn that piece to a set piece?

[rigid yew]

Weapon, shield, or tier piece/slot
Unless a miracle happens with trinket
For vault that is

[true plaza]

what would u value higher

weapons or tier set

I mean I got 0 tier set out of normal raid

so I might go for a weapon if possible

[rigid yew]

Doubt you will have to min max tier converts
Personally I just go for weapon then shield then tier slot unless bis trinket from RNG gods

[true plaza]

we can get dungeon trinkets out of the vault?

like sacbrood and so on?

[rigid yew]

You can get anything from dungeons out of dungeon slots

[true plaza]

rejoined retail in tww didnt like the other expansions lol

[rigid yew]

Sacbrood vault would be epic

[true plaza]

yea man its a insane trinket

I got the trinket from the court aswell but if meathook isnt nerfed it will stay in my bank lol

[tribal wharf]

okay, well, i have 8/8 dungeon rewards for vault

[true plaza]

but it even gets buufed

[rigid yew]

Crafting weapon and shield is never a bad thing either
Gets you near max ilvl

[true plaza]

its expensive tho 100%

im not a rich mf

I got like 200k gold

[rigid yew]

I'm near 2 mil
Just hoard and only buy important stuff to you
Getting a boe drop from raid is like guaranteed 400k from ah
If you got one first 2 weeks from heroic could be 600k+

[true plaza]

I like to watch some youtube and just mine some nodes bro

thats so nice

made some bag out of it

nothing crazy but its relaxing

hahaha

[rigid yew]

That's what I do sometimes, easy 5k here and there
If you tank, hit up those random bonus queues
I did one 20min heroic got 3 items (bonus stats one time use, raiders use to min max) sold for almost 5k total

[jaunty arch]

is there an agreement already on what piece of gear to craft? I se the maxroll guide say wrist and waist

[tribal wharf]

kikital is going to be pug deleter on tyranical

destroyer of hopes

should be okay for classes like warlock with aoe stun

[mellow quartz]

Everything is tyrannical on a +10 and above anyway so it’s just ‘normal’ from there.

Most classes have a way to get free if you are worried about the puddles. It’s the small blobs that channel on you so any freedom, displacement, stun etc effects will work. Shouldn’t be an issue.

You can even grip them as a dk to get free.

We can stormbolt, shockwave and intimidating shout

[safe quartz]

depends on skill

no way to tell

[jagged pier]

Whatever your comfortable with its a +10

[proper roost]

yeah any stops work on the blobs, which was very nice to realize

also finally realized how the last boss of stonevault works the other day so that was fun

[tribal wharf]

i still only 589 ilvl

zeros arent too rough but its skill required lol

[sick sentinel]

what spec is everyone running, i see half the logs using champ spear and half using thun roar on every fight

[mighty valley]

it’s in the guides — spear for thane, roar for colossus

[graceful kite]

Didn't get any an I've done around 30+ only this week and 200 overall

But if they only drop in bountiful only those 30 count

[graceful kite]

Raid row gives raid items from the boss your character has killed, dungeon gives random dungeon item for your loot spec, delve row gives open world/delve loot pool, but all those slots have a fixed chance to become a random tier piece

[steel mist]

guys, im getting hit by ansurek for 4.1 mill. which ability is that?

that is in last phase

[tropic tangle]

combat log should tell you the ability

[steel mist]

all i can see is melee with dreadful presence

did she gets buffed in this phase?

[jagged pier]

Taking melees without shield block up

[tropic tangle]

that was my first thought, not sure why that last melee was so heavy though

[sick sentinel]

which of the 2 has more survivability

[mighty valley]

thane

[tropic tangle]

were you still tanking after getting hit with Gorge?

[warm plinth]

If they were then they would've taken more from the first one

Because they had wall for the big hit

[tropic tangle]

yeah, true

[warm plinth]

and it still did 1.6 mil

[rare gust]

what is the move for first crafted piece?

M+ oriendted

[sick sentinel]

if i could ask you another question what trinkets would you be running after the hook nerf ?

[true plaza]

she also has a tank buster mechanic in her last phase

the tank with aggro gets the adds debuff so he needs to run away and she applies a debuff on the OT who taunted her off

after adds spawned just let the other tank get back

and taunt back again

while dps nukes the adds

@steel mist

lemme check rq

there u go

[tropic tangle]

yeah, that should show as the ability though, not a melee

[true plaza]

the ability isnt really the issue its the stackable physical damage stack after that

dunno if that is still shown under the ability

[tropic tangle]

if you look at his log, he took a 600k melee moments before that, then had wall up for the 4 mil hit

[true plaza]

wait he had shield wall and still got hit with 4 mill?

[tropic tangle]

yeah, it's right there in the log

[steel mist]

then the other tank let me died huh

[true plaza]

how

[steel mist]

without taunting off

[true plaza]

if u had gorge on u

and he stayed on the adds

without any reason

yes then he did

but if denic is right and the whole damage application started before u even had gorge then u had either not ur shield block up or u got unlucky overkilled

but it was the same for us

as soon as the other tank gets infested

[true plaza]

the other tank who taunts off gets gorge

yea there it is

gorge

[tropic tangle]

yeah, tanking with gorge

is why you're getting clapped on

[steel mist]

So i got screwed bec the other tank didnt taunted off of me

[true plaza]

yup

its not ur faulkt

[steel mist]

I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG AND IT WASNT ME

[true plaza]

yea it wasnt ur fault buddy

[steel mist]

goddamn dk tank

[true plaza]

its simple

read the abilities

dunno why some people struggle on that part

[tropic tangle]

also can't tell if it's just weird output, but keep your shield block up homie

[true plaza]

yea ofc thats also the case

[steel mist]

the thing is the other tank is not aware im not a dk and he thinks that i can heal it off

yeah i was full panicking mode since everyone was shouting

it was a kill

[true plaza]

not even a dk

can heal it off

its a tank buster mechanic

[tropic tangle]

DK would have more trouble with that

[true plaza]

yea he would

[tropic tangle]

you can shave 40% of the melee damage by making sure to use SB

he's just gonna get gibbed

[true plaza]

u always tank swap on 3rd phase

never let a tank get more stacks than 1 or 2

and when someone is infested he runs as far as he can

dps nukes

he comes back to taunt off again

at 2 stacks u taunt off again because u want to lose the debuff

its the same mechanic as liquefy

[steel mist]

i need to get another set of weakauras to shout at me on ansurek. The discord was hectic and i couldnt concentrate on tanking with all the anxiety all over the place

[true plaza]

while liquefy in 1st phase is even deadlier ngl

if u dont taunt immediately the tank gets RIPPED

ansurek is eaaaasy bro

its not about weakauras

u just didnt know

ansurek is a stacked boss if we are talking mechanics so yea not everyone will watch a 20 min guide just for her

while I gotta say the court is harder than her

even tho she has more mechanics

[steel mist]

i mean court was amanageable after 9 tries

[true plaza]

do court on heroic bro

[steel mist]

is it that bad?

[true plaza]

its just annoying

u need 2 groups of these linen guys

who stop him from charging

if 1 dies

rip

just rate my mog lil bros

[steel mist]

the magic shroom farmer

7/10

the head reminds me of that shroom guy in concord

[true plaza]

bro we dont talk about this game

as embarassing as ubisoft

[toxic pewter]

lolwtf that looks like a monk

[true plaza]

thats a warrior tank man

find someone who looks tankier as me

[green trench]

Why would Crit be rated higher then Vers? I see a lot of spells going on in dungeons.. am I missing something?

[mighty valley]

Crit gives parry

You also see a lot of melee going on in dungeons

They’re very close though, don’t stress about one over the other

[green trench]

Sure, but that's a given on all expansions but vers has been regarded higher than crit on all but now 😮

[mighty valley]

Not really

We’ve been enjoying crit here for a long time

[green trench]

When ive looked at top players, its been vers > crit until vers"capped"

but ok, ur saying Crit is kinda equal to but a bit higher than vers. roger that 😮

[chilly brook]

Because you looked in the wrong places

Vers is overvalued on the top end

Always has been

Also idk what the vers “cap” is

[modest trellis]

Hi, where can i see the ''popular'' routes for this season? Ty 🙂

[mighty valley]

Everyone got high on 50% vers in bfa and it’s been hard to shake the “tank = vers” meme ever since

[chilly brook]

No where?

The season hasn’t even started

I mean I guess it has but m+ isn’t out yet

[modest trellis]

Yeye i know, but first exp like tank and dunno if there's some OP page for look the routes

[grizzled kite]

Might be outdated info but cap refers to the penalization of stacking too much of a secondary, right?

[chilly brook]

Just hold w and don’t die from boss to boss

Don’t overthink this

[mighty valley]

There’s diminishing returns yeah but we don’t usually hit them til later in the expansion

[grizzled kite]

@modest trellisBuild own routes you are comfortable with

[tribal wharf]

the biggest true

[mighty valley]

And the first breakpoint is pretty minimal

[grizzled kite]

10%isch?

[modest trellis]

perfect, ty 🙂 !

[grizzled kite]

Idk how accurate this is anymore, it's from 9.x https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of-warcraft

[chilly brook]

Raider.io will have weekly routes if you really wanna have general pug routes

[tribal wharf]

AH SHIT here we go again

[chilly brook]

But honestly, I mostly just held W in DF

[grizzled kite]

??

[modest trellis]

perfect!

[tribal wharf]

the olden days of DR fighting is coming back to this channel....

i can feel it comin

[grizzled kite]

[tribal wharf]

ohhh

i thought u meant they were hotfix putting it back in the game

didnt look at patch number

[rare gust]

what is the best crafte gear or at least to start out

[tribal wharf]

oh no wtf have i joined

keep or trade?

[velvet jolt]

What’s up chat.
New tank just started this season. Running through mythics pretty well at the moment.

I want to do raid tanking as well, is it a lot harder than mythics? Or is it just knowing the fights? Seems so stressful

[slim current]

New tank as well; how did you navigate the dungeons or did you do em all in previous xpac? I’ve never touched retail until Dragonflight so I have performance anxiety when it comes to learning routes etc for the season 1 dungeons.

[urban portal]

Find routes online, see what top players do, and experience

That’s basically it

[slim current]

Thank you 🙏

[grave jacinth]

What's the situations in which you would run the Execute over the Punish build in raid and visa versa?

[ionic fern]

Do you want more damage? Run Execute.

[mighty valley]

Raid tanking is honestly a lot easier — it’s basically possible to learn each fight like a script

[proud plank]

much more telegraphed damage, it’s a lot easier

[mighty valley]

And the rest of the players will probably take a lot longer to figure out each fight’s mechanics than you will, tanks usually dont have to deal with the more complicated mechanics

[ionic fern]

Execute build = more damage, less tanky;
Punish build = less damage, more tanky.

That's about it.

[trim condor]

I just read about ubisoft and their hiring processs for aspirantss lol, thats end for me, no more ubisoft games

[tribal wharf]

i would be so god damn happy

play 2025 this shit

[velvet jolt]

That’s encouraging I’ve held off on queuing for raids

Where should I be ilvl to tank heroic? I’m 590 atm

[mighty valley]

That should be fine but idk how picky pugs are about heroic right now

[grave jacinth]

So what's the difference between the two Hero Talent builds? Or is it just personal preference?

[marsh stone]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank#:~:text=MOUNTAIN THANE VS COLOSSUS

Thane = more IP, Colossus = more damage

[ionic fern]

Both of them are fine in Raid.
Colossus is a more agressive choice with less rage going around.
MT is the better "over-all" performer due to being a solid middle ground of offensive and defensive capabilities.

[tribal wharf]

you will probably find an easier time playing thane

but there is absolutely nothing wrong with colossus

[marsh stone]

Yeah, just have to nail demolish, sucks if you miss with it

How big a gain is stance dancing? It's not something I've done in a while

[mighty valley]

3% crit

[oak ivy]

Fully acknowledging that they're not recommended, has anyone done the math on Reinforced Wax Plating / Ceaseless Swarmgland to find out what actual amount of mitigation they avg

[inner gulch]

hey guys I have some question, I have an addon for bis items , and they show haste/mastery as bis for prot war... I`m trying to build crit/haste .. what i think is Bis for me .. any suggestions?

[vivid orchid]

your addon is probably giving you inaccurate information

[tribal wharf]

mastery is our worst stat but after haste, everything is sort of equal, with mastery coming last

you just want bigger amount of secondary stats total

[pallid quiver]

I saw aotc required on day 2

On a literal, non-meme level

that's why i keep saying you need 630 ilvl and CE by now

[velvet jolt]

Yeah the pickiness is insane

I’m sure m +1 are going to be min 615

[outer kernel]

have you guys been upgrading your veteran + gear or saving the crests for now?

[proud dock]

if im pulling aggro off other tank in raid, just doing my rotation, is that a me problem? do i go afk until it smy turn to tank?

[pallid quiver]

It's technically other tank problem, as doing dps is directly related to your survival

[proud dock]

ok thanks, just making sure when i said it was the other tank issue, i wasnt being a nutsack

[pallid quiver]

I used to recommend hurting yourself by going into def stance, but

[proud dock]

hm i was in def stance the whole time

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, if you still want to clear, you have to find something about it

[proud dock]

to help the problem

[pallid quiver]

Def stance will not help it anymore

[proud dock]

oh right i frogot about that

lmao

[pallid quiver]

The 3% crit is not gonna make up people not oressing buttons

It barely helped when it reduced damage by like 10%

Since you need to have like double the other tank's damage to pull off or something

[rough hazel]

Best tier set bonusses ever 🙄

[proud dock]

yeah ther was a bear tank doing 100k dps, and then repalce him with a pally who did better but ocsaioanly was pulling off him too

[lusty grotto]

if youre pulling agro, thats a problem with the other tank

and/or gear disparity

its very common, since not everyone plays correctly

[graceful kite]

Sim yourself for damage and what the sim tells you

[lusty grotto]

the only thing you can do on that scenario is to stop pressing buttons

[mighty valley]

if the higher damage tank is pulling first and the other is taunting off, the damage disparity has to be insane for the first tank to pull back

but

maybe it is

[jagged gust]

Some tanks do damage from the previous expansion

pug life

[graceful kite]

Only case is if a tank has their gear broken

[pallid quiver]

some do damage from levelling from the previous expansion

[urban portal]

I saw a prepatch mistweaver doing shadowlands damage

That was crazy

4.6k in m+

That wouldn’t even have put him in top 100 in castle nathria

[marsh stone]

Maybe suggest they add "taunt" into their early rotation

[vocal cave]

whats the point of diminishing return for stats now?

[lusty grotto]

wdym

the point is to not stack a single stat

as it always has been

or to deter that

[small bone]

I have seen a few prot warriors running Colossus over Thane. Any reason?

The warriors running Colossus are also running with Spear

[crimson furnace]

im getting tired of the lock animation from demolish

even tho i love colossus

its making me loose it

[quasi pivot]

Big thunderclap and applied rend is the prot warrior stereotype for me. I loved it in wrath

I wish they would remove rend and put in a more thunderclap thematic dot though

Like a lightning damage dot

[marsh stone]

Probably just like the BDE of Demolish, not sure why spear though as the numbers suggest roar is the go to

[small bone]

I tend to play more with Thane cause I like the thunder stomping.

[lusty grotto]

colossus is slightly better ST

but maybe you should ask them personally

[quasi pivot]

Or redo thunderclap as a stomp shockwave and make the bleed make sense

[lusty grotto]

wowhead guide has a hero comparison

[small bone]

So Colossus is mainly for them to do bigger ST dps?

[tribal wharf]

so i have to do delves ya

[lusty grotto]

feel free to look at it

[hardy snow]

if someone wants to pay you for a not some very rare item - always trade

[tribal wharf]

i think i read it was pretty bad for pretty much all warrior specs

but nobody seemed to want it, got it now

[lean sorrel]

Been looking for an answer related to the value of Into the Fray and what the breakpoint for running it may be. Sims for dps are one thing, but i assume the haste i gain has a defensive benefit as well yes?

[quaint sinew]

hey im new to prot warrior, was just wondering if we stack haste till forever or we stop at some point du.e because of diminishing returns

[lusty grotto]

You stack ilvl

As a priority

[lusty grotto]

You can't get it this season, worry about it in s2

But for raids you should be using it regardless

[quaint sinew]

there is not much more for me to get for now im 604 and wanted to optimize a bit

[lusty grotto]

For dungeons you run heavy rep

Then yes stack haste

Hard to think you won't get more ilvl

At 604

[quaint sinew]

im not spending stones rn

or anything

[lusty grotto]

You will get more ilvl next week anyway

So 🤷

[pallid quiver]

ur more ilvl next week anyway

gottem

[proud dock]

how come my volatile concoction weakaura doesnt trigger?

[quaint sinew]

ty nimchimp

[inland raft]

Thats a question for weakaura discord

[lusty grotto]

[bleak breach]

How’d everyone enjoy the raid so far?

[lusty grotto]

It's a good raid

[lean sorrel]

@lusty grotto Ive heard the value 20k floating around for ITF value for M+, wasnt sure if that was the number to shoot for.

[lusty grotto]

No it's more than that

[lean sorrel]

Was trying to math out if it was even possible

[bleak breach]

We got 8/8n and 4/8h lastnight hopefully finish it off today on night 2

[lusty grotto]

It's not possible

Again worry about it in s2

[lean sorrel]

roger

[soft plume]

wait, does shield slam do more dps than execute?

[bleak breach]

Kinda

Provides a lot more

[soft plume]

so am i lowering my dps by using execute every time i got 40 rage? lmao

[bleak breach]

Most of the top parses in raid atm are playing execute build, but you sacrifice so much defensively

[soft plume]

but their shield slam is beating their execute still

[bleak breach]

No you’re not, but you should always hit SS if it’s up, then use execute to proc SS

[soft plume]

but my execute is doing more than my shield slam?

[marsh stone]

You keeping SB up?

[bleak breach]

Execute to proc SS sorry

[delicate remnant]

Anyone got a best usage for bloody coins on gear? I don't pvp but the 594 stuff is hard to pass up

[bleak breach]

Execute will do more damage or atleast on par damage, but SS is always a priority as you need rage to use execute

[soft plume]

okay so im thinking imma drop indomitable for bolster

[bleak breach]

Why?

What talents are you running?

[soft plume]

more shield block uptime

colussus build ig

[lusty grotto]

outburst doesnt apply to execute

think about that

and execute is only available on procs with SD, and/or in a portion of the fight

so of course SS is gonna beat it

[bleak breach]

If you’re worried about shield block uptime just run heavy repercussion assuming you’re talking about raid

[soft plume]

yeah im screwing up my shield uptime pretty sure also i think my kills might be slow, comparing my execute and ss casts with other people

[bleak breach]

M+ you should be running heavy repercussions anyway

Most people with massive execute damage are running the execute build or having really long fights.

[lusty grotto]

yeah or rasha'nan

[bleak breach]

That’s the dog

I’m gonna try execute build on him next week

[lusty grotto]

huge execute fight

[bleak breach]

@soft plume If you’re going to try execute builds play mountain thane, you won’t get the rage generation in colossus to do it

You’ll sacrifice too much mitigation

[soft plume]

mitigation not an issue on heroic difficulty its all g

[lusty grotto]

lol

it will for queen

[tribal wharf]

GB boss 2 area trash

[marsh stone]

oof

[soft plume]

yeah queen liquefy hurts hard af but other than that its chill

next week even that'll be a joke

[bleak breach]

Heroic dungeon or raid?

[keen leaf]

what do yall like for solo delves? fury vs prot?

[frank obsidian]

well fuck me if i try zekvir lair in prot again lol

[soft plume]

people do heroic dungeons?

[tribal wharf]

okay, i ran grim batol now

[soft plume]

is it possible to even have over 90% shield block uptime if you're not running any shield block talents? 2 charges and shield charge dont seem to cut it but i could be doing something wrong

[tribal wharf]

boss was done wrong though

[soft plume]

i think imma run enduring defenses instead of massacre since execute procs all the time anyway

[opal forum]

last stand is kind of a healing potion now isnt it

[soft plume]

okay the top parse for 2nd boss only has like 60% uptime on shield block so i think thats literally just how it is with that massacre build

[proper roost]

nimchip i didn't get anything out of normal mode

🙁

[hardy snow]

How much ilvls is tier worth?

[proper roost]

nvm i got a nm tier piece

let's goo

[jagged gust]

yeah without HR you cannot guarantee 100% SB uptime currently, just the way it is in raids

[bleak breach]

If you’re too worried about execute for parses you risk getting clapped by the boss

[jade panther]

Hey guys, just arrived on Ansurek HC, pulled it twice and my raid disbanded (we pulled for hours to kill court). Any major tip for the fight? From the pulls i did it seems to hurt A LOT.

[soft plume]

heroic bosses aint clapping any prot warrior unless they're afk

[bleak breach]

Hmmm, how far in have you went?

Goodluck on a few if all you want to do is damage parse.

[jade panther]

any tips @soft plume ? didnt die from liquefy but defstance+Spellblock didnt feel good enough and i was saving SW for feast which in never had on me

[soft plume]

shield slam and ignore pain a lot lul

[jade panther]

x)

[soft plume]

i didnt run spell block idk if it works for the dot

[jade panther]

think it works for the cast ?

[soft plume]

i never NEEDED shield wall and usually just held it for oh shit moments

if ur puniish stacks and shield block are up u can last demo shout and spell reflect and be fine

demo shout is up every liquefy

spell reflect is more magic resist

[boreal hamlet]

just slam your face on the keyboard and dont die

has worked for me

[jade panther]

aight, only pulled twice, will see how it goes tommorow, i'm only got 27% base haste so far, will try to mash keyboard hard 😉

[bleak breach]

It’s just gonna hurt like hell, shield all and last stand before it if you can so you you can front load bigger ip

Anything where you’re struggling for survivability play mountain thane over colossus

Also are you running defensive stance?

[bleak wyvern]

damnit

my friend got the trink from necrotic wake and he wasnt able to trade it to me

[pallid gate]

Hey, does anyone know if Gorge on P3 of queen is blockable?

[mellow quartz]

2nd flag from the top

[marsh stone]

TLDR: nope

[pallid gate]

oh ty, i didnt realize i coudve just looked on wowhead

i appreciate it

[shut summit]

it is blockable

[pallid gate]

oh it is?

[shut summit]

yes

[pallid gate]

oh, i realized i can go look at my normal log

[marsh stone]

TLDR: don't rely on TLDR

[proud dock]

in heroic brood, the pools from one section creeps into other section eventually, right?

or does the pool stop at the edge?

[raw parcel]

Has anyone gotten Delver's Journey maxed yet?

Is it even possible, yet? That's a better question.

[marsh stone]

oof, that'd be a grind

[waxen frigate]

You shouldn’t ever be holding your cd for a mechanic you shouldn’t get lol

[pallid gate]

Ok well, sorry for the delay, we actually ended up getting a p3 pull, and i cannot tell if i blocked or not here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QyVfJBcZ3DFA6qdx#fight=23&source=14&type=damage-taken&ability=443361&start=5442277&end=5448434&view=events

[lusty grotto]

youre not gonna get high uptime with ITF

youre looking at this completely wrong in a raid setting

check logs and check effective uptime

thats the only thing that matters in raid

once you get gear worry about overall uptime

[pallid gate]

sorry i have like 3 seconds to look at logs between pulls and didnt see the b, yeah gorge is blockable

[lusty grotto]

they stop

[proud dock]

oh ok thank god

[lusty grotto]

at least in heroic

we'll see in mythic

thats what the section division lines are for

[lofty warren]

are weeklies useless after the reset?

[toxic pewter]

wat u mean

[lofty warren]

do you get any power from doing weeklies next week

like theature troupe

[toxic pewter]

i mean i do it for renown personally never really got much power from them

[mellow quartz]

You won’t get any real power from them. Just some rep etc

[marsh stone]

resources

and renown

[cinder marsh]

Ok so i just ran this 8 delv and got the trinket on the left its 603 and the trinkets on the right are my current trinkets should i trade one of them out or keep the ones i have?

the trinkets on the right are both vet gear

[vague abyss]

ye finally i got Spare Meat Hook 2 days before it gets nerfed to the ground 😄

no luck with egg 😦

[lusty grotto]

it was nerfed regardless

cause veteran track

88g on tuesday

[urban portal]

Wait did they nerf the hook

No way

[lusty grotto]

they only applied the tank trinket nerf

[proper roost]

Since rep is accountwide, it kinda owns to have maxed renown if you level a new alt

its like insta multiple keys + vet/champ track gear

i'm not gonna do all of them, but prob like 2 chests per week, prob not bad

[vague abyss]

with my luck, it will take several weeks to get that trinket in m+

[lusty grotto]

so?

youll get whatever in champion track

so still 88g

[proper roost]

nim i finished half of heroic and all of normal and the only loot I got was a curio

mad...

mad and sad

[lusty grotto]

well i didnt get a single WUE

on 2 different normal and heroic runs

[proper roost]

the very rare rashananana cloak dropped

and i lost it with a 98

to the mage who died all night to avoidable mechanics...

[vague abyss]

anyone has a weakauras to tell you the tank mechanics? i think is a co-tank weakauras

[proper roost]

[lusty grotto]

reloe

[jagged gust]

The worse you perform the better your loot, you should know this by now

[lusty grotto]

search reloe on wago

[vague abyss]

thanks 😄

[proper roost]

anyways as an aside i am going to seriously start learning spanish next week because i keep needing it for my job

but also for keys so i understand spanglish

😎

[jagged gust]

great movie

[proper roost]

gonna speedrun literacy

[marsh stone]

Hate that. Same thing, rolled a 97, actually went into my bags looking for it (treacherous transmitter) till I realised someone else rolled a 100

[proper roost]

yes

the worst part was definitely me going like "ah nice i won the very rare thing, i can upgrade it insta cuz this thing owns"

[marsh stone]

haha yep!

[proper roost]

like 1 minute later the guy finally clicks on the roll

and wins with a 99

fucked up..

[marsh stone]

pow, right in the feels

[vague abyss]

searched his whole user imports, only found this as a relevant:
https://wago.io/NerubarPalace

But... this is a full weakauras i think?

[lusty grotto]

yes

thats the one

and it'll include cotank frames and shit

[marsh stone]

what's it do...?

[lusty grotto]

its a raid pack, he does that every season

since... i cant remember

probably before SL

[marsh stone]

Just tell you when to do stuff in the fights?

[lusty grotto]

no

it doesnt play the game for you

if youre pugging its always good to have it

alongside bigwigs or DBM

[warm plinth]

I'll play your game for you

if you know what I mean

[vague abyss]

ill have to set it up, but usually i just use BigWigs and Raid Ability Timeline to see the stuff

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt replace aything bigwigs does

[bleak breach]

Damn, I got hero wep, hero shield, champ special cape and a few other items plus tier chest

[lusty grotto]

it just puts debuffs bigger, etc etc

yeah well i have extremely badluck

i got loot, just not WUE loot

[bleak breach]

I normally do, but rc loot Council helped so people couldn’t just snag minor upgrades

[lusty grotto]

tier pants, court 2 hander amongst other things

you normally get WUE loot?

but this is the first tier with it

warband until equipped = WUE

warbound*

[bleak breach]

No, have bad luck sorry

[lusty grotto]

oh

[bleak breach]

I didn’t get any warbound loot

[proper roost]

this is literally the most privileged complaint ever

u stinky

[lusty grotto]

i was hoping to get a few tier pieces

[proper roost]

next ur gonna complain about your prot weapon

[lusty grotto]

WUE tier i mean

[proper roost]

Smh..

[jagged gust]

for that sweet sweet 2% dps increase

[proper roost]

the only thing that matters is that we're going to do 10s next week

[lusty grotto]

yes i didnt get silkran's

and it dropped

[bleak breach]

Stuff the 10s

[proper roost]

i wonder if you can get tier pieces from delve

slots

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-26826812

[bleak breach]

I imagine so

[warm bloom]

Don't see why not

[bleak breach]

You can get them from every other slot generally

[potent basin]

is it worth crafting a spark shield??

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[vague abyss]

honestly i just changed BigWigs to make a countdown for the tank swap, idk, that fight gets chaotic for me in Silken Council

[proper roost]

now imagine having to do webs smh

while your co-webber has like 2 fps

shit's FUCKED

[bleak breach]

Yeah council is pretty intense

Should have a crack at it on heroic tonight

[toxic pewter]

Court not bad killed it on second attempt with a pug

Princess actually gives pugs more issues

And brood

And queen

[proper roost]

raid seems kinda easy if pugs are already clearing

[bleak breach]

Norm or hero? Fair effort killing it second attempt in a pug on heroic

[jagged gust]

thats called winning the pug lottery

[proper roost]

i didn't expect that

[toxic pewter]

Heroic

[bleak breach]

Struth

[proper roost]

s2/s3 heroic pugs def didn't clear except very rarely until

[toxic pewter]

Nah I always get aotc with pugs first week

[proper roost]

the end

apb is like the reverse yogi..

[toxic pewter]

This time will be close tho. Queen seems to give some issues

[proper roost]

evil yogi

[jagged gust]

Bizarro Yogi

[toxic pewter]

I am a very powerful individual

Some say.. most power full..

[bleak breach]

Yeah we got 8/8n and 4/8h lastnight. Had 1 wipe on queen because everyone got eaten. Rest were 1 shots, just ran out of time.

Hopefully finish up the rest tonight

[toxic pewter]

28 pulls queen heroic best I got to was 56% phase two lol

Will get her tomorrow tho prob

[bleak breach]

Don’t you raid in a guild team? Pugging gives me aids

[toxic pewter]

Nah just pugs..

[proper roost]

28 pulls

💀

[toxic pewter]

I’m only in a guild cuz they pay for my repairs and give me 10k daily

[bleak breach]

Wish I had your mental strength

Get too many nuffies and too much time between pulls

[toxic pewter]

Princess had over 50 pulls for sure

She sliced and diced many people

[bleak breach]

If you get week 1 Aotc that will be solid though, don’t think a lot of people have got it yet that I’ve seen. Especially purely pugging

[toxic pewter]

Princess is slicing many pugs as we type

[jagged gust]

Pugs are better than most of my guildies tbf

[toxic pewter]

Yah I actually do better with pugs

[bleak breach]

Yeah, if your lead is ruthless pugs can be easier, there’s no guilt like in a guild group.

[toxic pewter]

Every guild I join it too soft

And weak

I find myself like wtf is wrong with these people

And rip threat off the other tank

[jagged gust]

The officers gf is sitting at the bottom of the meters hanging with the healers

[toxic pewter]

It’s annoying

Yeah and nepotism shit

I just say f it and find good pugs

Where people are ruthless sometimes yeah but it’s necessary to win

[bleak breach]

Everyone in our group was 70% or higher on parses lastnight so all smooth sailing

[toxic pewter]

Yah don’t get me wrong good guilds all power to you

But I just find myself more of a lone wolf it seems

[bleak breach]

Hard to find and get spots in

[bleak breach]

Been there before

[vague abyss]

i couldnt willingly go to pugs, the lack of actual communication would make those fights harder than it already is

[toxic pewter]

The communication in pugs is there to be honest

It’s a lot more visceral even

Don’t have to worry about feelings and shit

[proper roost]

oh wait I remember what happened to your guild in s2 df

💀

apb man

i think you might sometimes be responsible here

[toxic pewter]

Yah my guild fell apart

[proper roost]

this may be a slightly one sided retelling

[toxic pewter]

Nah Diablo 4 killed my guild

[jagged gust]

I'm literally making a second guild rn and slowly leeching the decent players off from the main because I dont want to confront the shitters

[toxic pewter]

I’m actually a very strong and well liked guildie

[proper roost]

🤔

[jagged gust]

I am the problem

[toxic pewter]

Many want me in there guild

But this is a path I must walk alone

[bleak breach]

Oh no

[toxic pewter]

It is true I have made many enemies in the pug world tho I cannot deny it

[bleak breach]

Why you have to get apb started

[toxic pewter]

Such is the price

[proper roost]

🤔

[bleak breach]

How you like colossus apb

[proper roost]

apb didn't you get into an argument with a guy in a s2 key for like 2 hours

[toxic pewter]

Yes

[bleak breach]

Feel like that semi fulfills what you wanted in a warrior through df

[proper roost]

i remember like pages of this argument you had

[toxic pewter]

I get in many arguments

Especially when I am on the moral side

[proper roost]

i was like, at work, read you started this argument, got off work, 2 hours later it was still going or smth

[toxic pewter]

If you aren’t arguing then are you even living?

If you stand for nothing then what will you fight for?

[bleak breach]

There’s been plenty of those throughout my time here. Or philosophical rants about blue text

[vague abyss]

i do raids with guilds because i like the social aspect of it

[toxic pewter]

I actually prefer colossus to be honest just wish it had more rage generation

I enjoy the build up to a big demolish

[bleak breach]

Yeah, same mostly. I just went from a really fun Aotc/early mythic team to a ce team in my guild

[bleak breach]

Yeah rage gen is the problem, sometimes it feels like you’re getting punched in the face and have no ability to defend it.

[toxic pewter]

I’ve played demolish arms warr a lot in PvP and it’s actually very fun to spear a dude and demolish them

They squirm

And can’t do shit

Then demolished for 3 mil crit

[oak ivy]

my BDK cotank gets like 15sec of aggro then loses it after taunt

[wooden widget]

No edging bro wth

[toxic pewter]

lol

[wooden widget]

Are guardians bursty in the first few global of a fight?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[wooden widget]

My cotank was pulling in the opener

Ok

[lusty grotto]

they need to either

[wooden widget]

Cuz I was doing tons more overall

[lusty grotto]

barkskin to pull

oh

you mean dps

i have no idea

[wooden widget]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

probably

what is he playing

[wooden widget]

Ok I’ll ask over there

[lusty grotto]

elune or dotc?

[wooden widget]

No clue I’ll check in with him

[lusty grotto]

elune can be big burst with incarn/rage/beam/etc

but

not as big as dotc burst im guessing

[wooden widget]

Maybe that was it. Cuz in my DH I’m setting up frailty and stuff before the first couple demon surges

Tyty

[lusty grotto]

on my dh i just send beam

cause im FS

frailty stacks can wait

[vague abyss]

i have to tank first in my guild because i out-threat my prot paladin xD

[lusty grotto]

send beam into meta into beam with lust

as fel scarred that is

[wooden widget]

Still gotta build souls for the spirit bomb and stuff

I literally mean like the first 5 global

Cuz other than that I didn’t have an issue

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess

i havent really played aldrachi, or dotc

im guessing ill like dotc way too much

but idk if aldrachi will beat FS

shit is too fun

[plush tendon]

soloed a 8 delve with this cutie

[lusty grotto]

i did it as ret

[plush tendon]

Lysander aint a bystander

[lusty grotto]

soloed

578ish too

[plush tendon]

Im not even allowed to que for heroic

[round pendant]

is requiring people in your guild to not be asleep at the wheel during fights

a casual guild

or a semi-serious guild

[plush tendon]

ive fallen asleep during raid

it happens

[round pendant]

I don't mean literally sleeping

lmao

[plush tendon]

[plush tendon]

oh, I did

[round pendant]

prob gonna start a guild with my friends

since enough people are returning this expac

[icy flax]

I felt quite squishy on pwar during mythic 0s at the start of this week

[proper roost]

your belt is clipping

[plush tendon]

Leave the kid alone

[brittle fjord]

Is the only way people have 619 crests by spending their heroic crests? Like no free craft besides Spiderman renown right

[lusty grotto]

do you mean gilded (aka aspect) crests?

what are 619 crests

[brittle fjord]

Meant crafts not crests there

[lusty grotto]

oh

so a runed crest craft is basically the entire week's cap on it

cause iirc they upped from 60 to 90 on heroic level crests

so yeah id figure youre right

until they make the quest to kill queen (if it happens)

[tropic tangle]

yeah, bit of a bummer it's not available this week

that reward is going to lose value fairly rapidly

[wind prawn]

Lol big rip right, This trinket is terrible or am i missing something?

[lusty grotto]

🤷

sim it

but if you dont have any other hero track trinket you will most likely equip it

[marsh stone]

How would that even sim

[wind prawn]

I just did some target dummy and it was like 1% of damge

on 5 mobs

[marsh stone]

The effect is going to be super dependent on how many mobs you're hitting

[lusty grotto]

1 target patchwerk 3 mins (or 5 mins) for ST/Raid
5 target patchwerk 1 min (or 1.5 mins) for AOE/M+

[mighty valley]

you can sim different numbers of targets

[lusty grotto]

just a fyi

[marsh stone]

Yeah but it's pretty random

[wind prawn]

Yeah most of the delve trinkets seem absolulty shit

it is nuts

[marsh stone]

and there's so many of them...

[mighty valley]

there are many random effects that sims take into account

[wind prawn]

I also got:
and the healing is soo low

But at least that one gives strenght. The wick one is only crit

[lusty grotto]

its no big deal

M+ opens in less than a day

[mighty valley]

isn't it on tuesday morning

[warm bloom]

What are the best trinkets to look for

after m+ opens

[lusty grotto]

yes harrow, its 12:07 edt

[toxic pewter]

So zekvir is still basically not possible for us on ?? right

[mighty valley]

i didn't think it would launch til after tuesday maintenance but p'raps i am wrong

[lusty grotto]

hmm

why wouldnt it

[lusty grotto]

its possible

several people have done it

[warm bloom]

It's possible but not worth it unless your entire group is close to or maxed out

[lusty grotto]

solo

not grouped

[toxic pewter]

Solo is possible for us?

[lusty grotto]

idk about grouped

[toxic pewter]

I must truly be missing something

[lusty grotto]

yes several people have done it solo