Maybe the pre-existing dot consumes the reflect
#protection
marsh aurora
ah yeah that would make sense
drifting wigeon
Okay, ty so much!
toxic pewter
got one of these earlier, what u all think of this trinket
i think i like it so far
and devestator seems to trigger it stacking which I like
small reef
Hey, I know it doesn't really matter but I'm about to create a prot war, I'm hesitating for the race. Earthen? Dwarf? Other? For a m+ pushing goal
mighty valley
The one you think looks cool
primal cliff
stone form is the strongest racial but it won't matter that much just play want you like
violet ginkgo
got one of these earlier, what u all think of this trinket
well the sad thing is it's 2 min cd while most of our CD is 1 min 30 secs.
small reef
Ok thanks
toxic pewter
well the sad thing is it's 2 min cd while most of our CD is 1 min 30 secs.
yeah true 2min is a bit long
mighty valley
Trinkets aren’t affected by our CDs though
toxic pewter
yeah true
violet ginkgo
more about lining up apb, if it is 1 min 30 secs you can line it up with Spear/Ravager
mighty valley
I guess it’s sort of nice mentally if they line up but it doesn’t make a damage difference
lucid nimbus
question , i just saw that mountain thane is using spear now instead of dragon roar? is this personal preference?
thunderoas roar*
violet ginkgo
robot said better so we go with it.
mighty valley
You can do what you want, spear just does better damage overall
violet ginkgo
I guess it’s sort of nice mentally if they line up but it doesn’t make a damage ...
also more like you can just macro it together with something so you don't have to track separate CD, if that trink is 1 min 30 secs then once your spear up you know that trink is also up for sure.
if 2 min then you have to track it separately.
QoL things I guess?
versed talon
New to tanking in raid, for tank swapping is there anything you can recommend? Open to all suggestions and tips you have found helpful.
versed talon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1284580965309...
Thank you
mighty valley
Yeah pretty much any boss mod will literally yell at you to taunt
But also good to just learn the boss’s abilities to know why you’re taunting
versed talon
Yeah pretty much any boss mod will literally yell at you to taunt
I use https://wago.io/V1wblU7RH and DBM - I think I just need to adjust my UI a touch better for these swapping abilities and better understand the why
proper roost
got one of these earlier, what u all think of this trinket
are those numbers real
that's like a DF s1 trinket if it was like 300 ilvl
toxic pewter
hmmm yeah, you have to realize it ramps up faily quickly to the point where it ticks for over 100k per second
its actually a fun trinket if i say so myself
put out almost 2 mil damage last time i clicked it
did about 4% of my damage in a delve i just did so I guess its not amazing but def solid feeling
mellow quartz
Also all damage trinkets got nerfed by 30% or whatever it was for tank specs
solemn badger
Is anyone using the reinforced wax plating trinket? I haven't seen it mentioned most places.
Ara Kara is in my first slot and it's between this and kiss of death for second slot. Kiss of death doesn't seem to line up great eith most things even though it Sims pretty high
violet ginkgo
did about 4% of my damage in a delve i just did so I guess its not amazing but d...
Hmmm then next week will be perfect to test it right since M+ key starting, or maybe if you done raid this week, next week raid will be nice too for test.
toxic pewter
yes I will test more
mighty valley
sims 🙅
apb’s feelings tests 🙌
toxic pewter
lol
polar arrow
i heard meathook got nerfed for tank specs? is it still one of our S tier trinkets?
toxic pewter
I am a very well liked and respected figure these days harrow.. the people wait and expect to hear from me.. I will not let them down
the apb you remember from the past is.. well.. he's gone.. I have grown and changed much
tribal wharf
blazing condor
the apb you remember from the past is.. well.. he's gone.. I have grown and chan...
mellow quartz
Is anyone using the reinforced wax plating trinket? I haven't seen it mentioned ...
The 26k reduced damage taken per hit one? Nah
mighty valley
did my first m0 as tank
which one?
mighty valley
the apb you remember from the past is.. well.. he's gone.. I have grown and chan...
legends never truly die
toxic pewter
indeed
cinder marsh
hey so you know how dps and use sim to see what is there BIS what is it for prot, because i noticed that the BIS from wowhead and icyveins depend on the whole build
sweet summit
you can also sim for prot! but that is only for maximising dps as prot
cinder marsh
yea but does it tell me what is my BIS for m+
toxic pewter
which pincess
cinder marsh
and not just max my dps
sweet summit
it tells you what items are upgrades if you want to do more damage
it does nothing for "tankyness"
however
trim condor
Hey, I know it doesn't really matter but I'm about to create a prot war, I'm hes...
are you doing open conteent asswell? I cant live without feign death on my huntere, so shadowmeld is must for me
sweet summit
the tank part of playing tank is mostly skill and not much so your gear
trim condor
too much combat bugs
sweet summit
i think i'd recommend just siming for prot too 
cinder marsh
ok
tulip oar
I don't know what this is, but it does look like something I'd try.
round pendant
which one?
siege of boralus
sweet summit
siege FUCKING SUCKS
trim condor
how rare are maps in delve btw? we did 16 keys with my friend and I got 0 so far and he had 4 already.
round pendant
how rare are maps in delve btw? we did 16 keys with my friend and I got 0 so far...
4% apparently
trim condor
4% apparently
oof, so he won jackpot lol
sweet summit
they only drop from bountiful delves or just any?
mellow quartz
they only drop from bountiful delves or just any?
Only bountiful
mellow quartz
I am getting trucked
Do you keep SB up? 🙂
sweet summit
Only bountiful
so stinky
soft tusk
Do you keep SB up? 🙂
yes
it's still hurting me so hard
that magic damage is hard
I have SB + SR up
for it
soft tusk
MT
mellow quartz
Not a lot you can do other than SB, SR and spam IP. Rotate defensives as needed and get healed 🤷♂️
Assuming you tank swap correctly etc
jagged pier
cant really tell without logs
pallid quiver
Nexus Princess on Heroic..
You should be able to spell block most everything in that fight, as well, so remember that if you're not utilizing it currently
But like Jakey said, it's shots in the dark without logs
soft tusk
You should be able to spell block most everything in that fight, as well, so rem...
SPELL BLOCK WORKS FOR THIS?!
I just have to make sure I have SB up right?
deft relic
can Quickwick Candlestick drop for prot spec? anyone gotten it as prot?
elfin garden
can Quickwick Candlestick drop for prot spec? anyone gotten it as prot?
yeah ive gotten it on mine
deft relic
yeah ive gotten it on mine
thank you!
tribal wharf
I don't know what this is, but it does look like something I'd try.
thats what happened to my TDB group
pallid quiver
SPELL BLOCK WORKS FOR THIS?!
Spell Block works for almost every single source of magic damage in the raid iirc
tribal wharf
healer died twice in the flying phase
it was pretty rough for a zero, but we got it done
i like the guides done by dratnos for the dungeon the best then dorki then quazi and others
find those the easiest to understand i mean
rain light
neat
rain light
I dont need
tribal wharf
i just so happen to need that trinket, are you able to trade it to me
tribal wharf
well, it was a peice of junk anyways, getting main stat nerfed by 5%
totally unplayable now
never wanted it
lusty summit
Hey Guys, are you using the shield slam ignore pain macro?
rain light
yes
lusty grotto
the ignore pain macro
jagged pier
but it replaces your ip bind
lusty grotto
^
jagged pier
you still have your ss bind
lusty summit
y
lusty grotto
you dont use that to SS
rain light
it will do both
jade panther
heyo, so the pin for crafting has been removed ?
tender cove
Not really sure what i need/should be doing. Ive done normal raid, tried some hc but just pug fails. Done two m0 world tours. Done 6x T8 delves. Done the world boss, done the weekly caches and rep quests.
What should i do?
elfin garden
take a break XD
jade panther
more delves and more Hc pugging
tender cove
Pugging HC right now just doesnt feel very nice on any level.
What about crafting? I have 2 sparks.
Or you should still waiting for next week?
tropic tangle
probably wait if you already have
but yeah, if you're mostly in champ track gear upgraded to 606, really not much to do
tender cove
aight 🙂
jade panther
btw is silken court hc buggued or smtg ? you guys think it's gonna get hotfixed ? weird to be able to solo tank a boss on hc week 1
trim condor
Wasnt this always case with physical swaps on pwar?
jade panther
nah i mean i can tank both bosses even the magical one, no 2nd tank needed
boss 5 and 6 were much hard to tank for me than tanking both court bosses solo
round pendant
I just can't do damage this season
for some reason
playing exactly the same
game sucks gg thanks blizz
trim condor
I hope they revert cc nerf. It feels to better to not use sstuns/ccs than use them. Mobs will cast/do their effect again anyway
autumn pawn
Not really sure what i need/should be doing. Ive done normal raid, tried some hc...
craft 610 pvp items
fluid widget
Yeah it’s solid for dps warriors
olive fulcrum
They just buffed that trinket and it sims decent if you can be bothered to aim it
pallid quiver
I should see how mine's updated, though I've only done Normal bosses so far
round pendant
this is normal
I swear every season I get worse
granted zero enchants, gems, etc
and a bad weapon
pallid quiver
I think I bought an enchant like 10 minutes before raid
I'm not sure if it was the right enchant or not
But I definitely scored a 0% ilvl parse on one of them smh
round pendant
That doesn't make me feel better
graceful kite
same
proud dock
for silk, we posed to keep the big guy on the outer edges right? for the dispells to happen in the middle?
graceful kite
yes
graceful kite
hey, its more than 50% across the board
blue logs are sad logs
pallid quiver
Sad logs are logs where the number of deaths in the raid is equal to the number of people in the raid.
And you still manage to clear the fight
graceful kite
it doesnt show the number
proud dock
do we also keep them split in p3?
graceful kite
big number feels good small numbers feel sad
tribal wharf
blue logs are sad logs
happy logs for yogi
yogi logs are normally green or blue, almost never purple
orange? wtf is that
yellow?
rain light
you dont press whirlwind on prot
wintry nymph
figured
glad nimbus
Can anyone tell me what ability this is?
nvm foud it!
😄
first time playing colossus
tribal wharf
you start seige by going up the stairs to the right an then holding the wall left down to the stairs and gate ya
or, is there is some new way i need to know of pulling
i died to the first boss the first time i tried it, something about i forgot you need to aggro the melee add or boss gets on you
and trash hell
soft tusk
Does Spell Block work for the tank mechanic at the Princess H Boss fight?
warm plinth
soft tusk
I need to have SB up for Spell Block to work right?
coarse lynx
i have some kind of, basic questions about how block works in tww. Is the block damage reduction a flat value, or is block rating still a thing? The other question is, when you block, is the DR from block seperate from your armor dr, or do they count against the same 85% max?
(I tried to find this all online but the search results bring up a lot of weird results, mostly from a few years ago, so I doubt any of it is dependable)
shell fox
i wish you all a good day.
narrow patrol
tribal wharf
i want to run siege and something else
astral crystal
I need to have SB up for Spell Block to work right?
yes
coarse lynx
I see, ok so block is still a thing. I guess my other question is, does block DR count against your max armor DR, or is it seperate?
tribal wharf
kinda want to run city but im afraid of the pepsimonster
cookie monster, whatever he is
soft tusk
finally
void marten
bountiful or no?
soft tusk
Yes on that bountiful
narrow crystal
hii does anyone know if my raid logs are comparing to any hero spec or just colossus?
strong forum
both
olive spruce
Can someone help me about stats? I've seen "Haste > Crit >= Versa > Mastery" order on every guide. When I check bis list on guides, there are couple items with Crit / Mastery (missing haste). Is it because haste comes to a limit, so loses its efficiency after some point?
wooden widget
That stat prio you listed is the general relative defensive value of those stats in a vacuum
urban portal
Can someone help me about stats? I've seen "Haste > Crit >= Versa > Mastery" ord...
Because they are probably tier pieces
Or max ilevel pieces
wooden widget
A “bis list” is what a robot decided is most theoretical dmg
urban portal
Those are generally the reason
If a crit mastery shield goes to 650 and a haste vers shield only goes to 644
You want the 650
wooden widget
And yeah it includes tier pieces
olive spruce
Hmmm which Bis list might be better ? Icy Veins guided one or Wowhead, there are small differences.
waxen frigate
Bis lists are outdated and don’t matter
Don’t use them 🙂 they’re only even on the sites because of site-enforced policy
urban portal
Ye
olive spruce
oh
urban portal
It’s a general guideline
fair sorrel
3rd boss killed me TWICE cuz other tank didnt taunt swap
"i did more damage??"
"boss died, cry about it"
waxen frigate
LFR lmao
olive spruce
so is it a good aproach, 1st focus ilv, then haste, then ? Versa / Crit?
rain light
yes
wooden widget
You just always do ilvl and when faced with two pieces of comparable ilvl you sim
wooden widget
Don’t think about secondaries until you’re near full 6/6 mythic gear
olive spruce
Don’t think about secondaries until you’re near full 6/6 mythic gear
Hmm thanks. Btw which slot should be crafted, any opinions ? I dont know if crafted items and embelishments has big place like DF in WW.
waxen frigate
Hmm thanks. Btw which slot should be crafted, any opinions ? I dont know if craf...
Wait until Tuesday then check here/wowhead/icyveins
wooden widget
Hmm thanks. Btw which slot should be crafted, any opinions ? I dont know if craf...
Embellishments are aimed at being roughly 2% of your dmg. There’s still going to be tuning ongoing.
So if you do actually wanna craft rn do lower stat budget pieces like bracers/ belt/ cloak
shrewd ore
with a pug 
wooden widget
So if you do actually wanna craft rn do lower stat budget pieces like bracers/ b...
Because crafted gear is always gonna be 3 ilvls lower than max mythic. Which means you don’t wanna craft on high stat budget slots
olive spruce
Thanks for guidance, waiting for M+ release is best to do rn i guess. No rush 🙂
olive spruce
Because crafted gear is always gonna be 3 ilvls lower than max mythic. Which mea...
Can I assume, crafted pieces can be replaced by any higher ilv item?
wooden widget
You can sim. But an embellished 606 piece rn might last until you can craft with heroic or mythic crests
hardy snow
I've got 600 shield transmogs 
olive spruce
Give your brain over to the robot I promise you it makes life simple
I will try 😄 I had doubts. It aim survivability or max dmg out put, or doing max dmg output has any downsides for surviving etc.
pallid quiver
kinda want to run city but im afraid of the pepsimonster
If you're still worried about that boss in particular, Yogi, just know you need to do Pepsiman proud and drink the pepsi. It's a simple fight as long as you see the pepsi balls, drink 'em, then press Impending Victory
tribal wharf
wave man kiled me
wooden widget
I will try 😄 I had doubts. It aim survivability or max dmg out put, or doing ma...
You’re not going to experience any significant downsides to your survival based on being optimized for dmg.
tribal wharf
nuked my group uh 3 times over i think
toxic pewter
nexus princess fight so badass
pallid quiver
I will try 😄 I had doubts. It aim survivability or max dmg out put, or doing ma...
In general, optimizing damage is survival for tanks, as their DPS rotations generally fuel their defensives. Death Strike is a good button to send from time to time for DPS for BDK, it's also their main defensive button. Optimal damage for Prot leads to highest rage gen and consumption, meaning lowest CDs on shield wall
wooden widget
I will try 😄 I had doubts. It aim survivability or max dmg out put, or doing ma...
Survivability is almost completely based on gameplay and group play.
pallid quiver
There are some exceptions with hero talents (Templar prot pala loses a defensive button for hammer, Colossus gives up the entire point of Prot War to pump aor damage)
tribal wharf
i forgot u have to be on the slam tentacle (don't recall its real name) but i did remember u can stun weave its slams to reduce dmg
for like, 1 slam
lean grove
Any word at all on these two trinkets? Are they giga-useless or actually decent?
tribal wharf
he slamed group after i told them mechanics and they yelled at me to get on it lol
some reason i thought i was okay to be on gripper
pallid quiver
Any word at all on these two trinkets? Are they giga-useless or actually decent?
The first is directly counter-intuitive to most any time you'd want to taunt.
pallid quiver
The second, while flat dr is stronger for prot than other tanks, is an abysmal amount in comparison to value of other trinks
pallid quiver
i forgot u have to be on the slam tentacle (don't recall its real name) but i di...
Yeah, that's the demolisher tentacle. You just awkwardly sit there while the rest of the group goes off to deal with the other tentacle
It's very lonely
tribal wharf
if u dont fuck up the stun DR rotation u can make it never deal dmg
close to, casts like 2 of 5 slams on average done right
cuz, the tentacles scale with the key lvl, and they get values boosted by tyranical and more,
so they become a gigantic pain in the ass past a certain point and hard brick the key
round pendant
How the fuck can puggers just NOT understand this dispel mechanic on Court
I'm going insane
pallid quiver
I never even made it to P2 on Court. Web bridges were a hard block
round pendant
I should have just made a heroic group and got a few kills for my vault
rather than doing this for normal lmao
tribal wharf
is tuesday next lfr wing
if they had all of lfr open right now i would run the entire thing (as fuiry)
bleak breach
Bloodmallet sims all of a sudden turned on their heads. Trinket from last boss, seems to be Uber bis now?
Weird that it doesn’t drop as tank spec, but does big damage and heals. So sounds like a tank trink but we gotta change specs to get it?…
tribal wharf
i shoulda sold that dumb ass mage the trinket
10 million gold
you want it? here you go
urban portal
10mil good is one day worth of minimum wage
tribal wharf
i will find a way to make due with not having 10 million gold
somehow
however will i do such thing
proper roost
Weird that it doesn’t drop as tank spec, but does big damage and heals. So sound...
have you never played any previous xpac before
switching to dps spec 99% of the time for loot drops is like
an insanely common play for all tanks
and especially switching from boss to boss/dungeon to dungeon basis if really tryharding
tribal wharf
it all depends on what you want to loot
proper roost
some classes with differing weapon types/etc will even just switch between all 3 of their specs to try to game what drops out of keys
tribal wharf
if you want to loot 2h 1h weapons and dps trinkets, go dps loot
proper roost
in S2 DF I had a list of which dungeons i wanted to be in which spec for my shaman and i used all 3, because in one of them being enh meant no weapon drops at all
just not really a new thing at all..
tribal wharf
there is 1 exception for prot loot
if u need a shield for item lvl, or very rarely to loot a trinket from content (largely 1-2 raid/dungeon trinkets) that has defensive properties (dread plates)
proper roost
yogi why were you trying to get dreadplates
daring marlin
yogi is an enigma
tribal wharf
like i say, very rare about dreadplate
bleak breach
have you never played any previous xpac before
Thanks mate, exactly the toxic response I expected. Of course I have, I’m simply saying from the description of the trinket it actually sounds like a tank trinket.
daring marlin
Don't take it personal Kanga is just a lil spicy
cursive orbit
any fast way to get a decent wep+shield as fresh 80?
bleak breach
did you not see the notes
Yes I did, trinket I mentioned below wasn’t on the list and was way down before that anyway.
tribal wharf
auction house or world quest
daring marlin
It's been a thing for a looong time though to get damage trinkets. "tank" trinkets are usually mostly just defense oriented with minimal damage boost if any.
tribal wharf
world quest has tons of greens and blue items perfect for gearing up after ding 80
cursive orbit
cant i craft something
bleak breach
Don't take it personal Kanga is just a lil spicy
I can think of much better words for it, too many toxic people in class discords. It’s too hard to ask for help or just have a discussion anymore.
marsh aurora
If i'm gonna use spark on weapon, should i craft 619?
tribal wharf
thats wrong, u dont want what i linked
cursive orbit
Can craft 590
nice
tribal wharf
but, probably auction,
karmic plinth
this one is what u mean yogster
bleak breach
If i'm gonna use spark on weapon, should i craft 619?
Weapon probably not worth it, there’s good weapons in M+ and first 3 raid bosses have good weapons
tribal wharf
world quest will give u 571+, which will get u into heroic LFD
everything drops in heroic LFD is 580 base
marsh aurora
You're gonna need this @cursive orbit
tribal wharf
u can only AH like 564 ish until spend tons of gold, buying boes
cursive orbit
got it
tribal wharf
up to 564 gear costs like 300 gold per, which is ideal for gearing alts
marsh aurora
Weapon probably not worth it, there’s good weapons in M+ and first 3 raid bosses...
I got the last boss's shield in normal so i'm rocking that for now but i had no chance with weapons so far. I thought the embellish would be on weapon my bad
toxic pewter
have u guys crafted stuff yet
bleak breach
I got the last boss's shield in normal so i'm rocking that for now but i had no ...
Definitely nothing wrong with doing that, my only thought is that there’s a few crit haste or haste vers weapons fairly easily obtainable anyway
tribal wharf
im more concerned with learning not really routes, but routes, lets call it
mechanics and counters ill calll it
cuz its, once you know the thing, and what the counters are, gg
pulsar sluice
how much haste do we need to start running into the fray
pallid quiver
It's traditionally been 40% before buffs, just from rating alone, but I'm not sure if the ITF nerf hit that at all
tribal wharf
oh, it turns out if u are 589 ilvl gear, u can just barely face tank a wave from 3rd boss seige zero
robust urchin
I can think of much better words for it, too many toxic people in class discords...
Yeah Kanga is honestly just toxic and problematic but most people here are nice and helpful 👍
tribal wharf
It's traditionally been 40% before buffs, just from rating alone, but I'm not su...
i could have sworn the advice we had given since bfa could be summed up as "its about equal to HR at 30%"
things could have changes and maybe there is already some gigachad 40% haste pwar out there, 610 ilvl some bs
round pendant
Weird how tough normal is being to pug
robust urchin
I have 80% haste
round pendant
Have they increased the difficulty and heroic is less of a big jump?
robust urchin
I'm fast as fuck boi
tribal wharf
pug is total chaos
toxic pewter
why I ripping aggro off other tanks again in this xpac are these individuals even pressing their buttons
tribal wharf
or it has the potential to be so
near pewter
Whats our go to weapon enchant now? iirc they nerfed depths?
tribal wharf
especially early on
lucid wigeon
So what trinket will possibly be replacing Spare Meat Hook for bis? i was possibly thinking Swamlord's Authority or maybe Ceaseless Swarmgland.
robust urchin
Khadros
tribal wharf
its worse at the start of a raid or season, because ppl are aotc/ksm/loot hungry fo rlike 2-3 weeks
get ppl fiendin for loot and mounts
vapid berry
yo whats best race for prot war dps? confused if earthen is as good or better then others bc of passive boost to armor
vapid berry
okay what if i wanted to play arms too
tribal wharf
its like, 1% or less of ur dps, choose what u think looks the coolest or has the best racial ability to you
toxic pewter
dang so many fotm prot warrs im encountering all truly awful.. just ripped aggro during heroic princess dude was doing 200k to my 450k.. O_O
tribal wharf
mecha is the highest and thats only like, about 2%
vapid berry
yeah im like 550k atm and this dude tells me why all the taunts? tell him my dam is pulling says not possible
toxic pewter
so awful
tribal wharf
hes idiot
and hes not pressing his butons
cuz if he was, he would be doing dmg
and taunting
and this wouldn be an issue
toxic pewter
then I had a bear tank earlier we got princess down to .26% and this dude was doing 100k dps
and died repeatedly
tribal wharf
oh this could raid
near pewter
Whats our go to weapon enchant now? iirc they nerfed depths?
robust urchin
and died repeatedly
Fumbles rerolled to bear
tribal wharf
but, even then, if its a raid, hes being lazy and not building enough threat, no reason co-tanks cant max dps while taunted off
toxic pewter
imagine you are fighting heroic princess and get her down to .26%
then u look at the other tank doing 100,000 dps
LOL
tribal wharf
heroic raid sounds likebad time somethin else i dunno
pas, if i do raiding, ill get carried once after first 3 or whatevers easy on normal, then do like 1-3 ish on heroic maybe as pug on resets
slim current
sorry if this has been asked before, i used the search bar but cant find any protection chat discussion on this, what gems am i putting i have both socketed rings
toxic pewter
in a new pug now the other pot warr running a m+ build... sigh... why do i keep doing this to myself
tribal wharf
You'll want to use Culminating Blasphemite Culminating Blasphemite as your diamond gem, and Deadly Emerald Deadly Emerald in all other sockets.
slim current
thank u
tropic tangle
for the meta gem, do multi stat gems count as two colors or just one?
toxic pewter
just one color
tropic tangle
ah got it
toxic pewter
so I am not sure the math checks out or not but it may be worth it to get an assortment of colors if u run that one meta gem
I am not a theorycrafter tho for the record
tropic tangle
yeah, idk, nome's guide just says deadly
toxic pewter
yah but arms warr guide says assortment
tropic tangle
I could see it possibly being worth it to put in 1 crit/haste
toxic pewter
so maybe dps people want to do it and we dont maybe i dunno
but it feels like lost value not to do it
tropic tangle
but I doubt you'd do any vers or mastery
guess we do have more sockets now too, since rings can take two and aren't limited to tokens
ring slots would cover all gem variety, then you'd have 3xneck / head / belt / bracer with the meta gem and all deadlies
tribal wharf
the waves, boss 3 seige, u know how now there is 2 of them
it can go from left and then right side, like as a sandwhich and not an X
so i instantly lost 2 men when that happen
toxic pewter
another prot warr making our spec look bad.. dude got LIT UP by pricness didnt use ad efensive
got absolutely SHREDDED
toxic pewter
I was told in here a long time ago not to give unsolicited advice
cuz I used to do that
and people in here said I was wrong and bad for doing that
tribal wharf
time place manor
round pendant
I genuinely do not understand how my damage is this low
pallid quiver
I genuinely do not understand how my damage is this low
If you want to post the log, I can take a look at it
If you'd prefer to DM, that's fine, too
round pendant
I found the problem
marsh aurora
Do you guys swap out talents for court? My parse is not that good compared to my other ones and I didn't really play any differently but that probably doesn't work for court ?
logged kill for rasha as an exemple : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/71847418#boss=2918
logged kill for court : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/71847418#boss=2921
robust urchin
I found the problem
Fell asleep?
marsh aurora
nope
mellow quartz
Loosing out on 30% damage on your main ST ability
marsh aurora
aaah yeah i'm actually dumb
mellow quartz
Read it’s tooltip
marsh aurora
i was spamming IP to mitigate the poison from the other boss instead of pressing sb
thought i was being smart
🙂
mellow arch
Just reflect what you can
vivid orchid
you spell block and reflect that
tribal wharf
install a simple threat addon some day
vivid orchid
I wont lie tho, colossus lines up more or less perfectly with anub's vulnerability
tribal wharf
so you see how its supposed to be, supposed to be about even just below tanking boss
mellow arch
So throw that out on vul?
marsh aurora
so you see how its supposed to be, supposed to be about even just below tanking ...
wait was that supposed to be an answer to my question?
because i'm sorry but i don't get it?
waxen elk
Hey do we think set is worth it for M+? and would it be 2 or 4?
marsh aurora
I wont lie tho, colossus lines up more or less perfectly with anub's vulnerabili...
I've seen some big colossus numbers yep, but i just picked up prot for the 1st time since SL so i'm sticking to MT for now while i understand it
also never raided as prot so there's that
tribal wharf
you always want to maximize your dps in all scenarios is why
marsh aurora
? I was not holding dps for threat there? I was just being bad, I'm not sure i get your point
tribal wharf
because, ss is you number 1 dps button
marsh aurora
still don't get why a threat addon (that is more or less included to my plater) is relevant there
lusty grotto
wait was that supposed to be an answer to my question?
whats the question? sorry i missed it
tribal wharf
by having sb up 100% you get 30% more ss,
tropic tangle
stick around a bit, you'll learn to speak yogi
pallid quiver
i was spamming IP to mitigate the poison from the other boss instead of pressing...
Yeah, you want to send SB even when not tanking (and technically, you should be tanking the caster boss if you don't have the nub on you) as long as you have full uptime for when you are taking damage
marsh aurora
whats the question? sorry i missed it
I was wondering why my parse on court was bad, turns out i just didn't use SB while tanking caster
wraith maple
have yall seen the shadow binding ritual knife?
mellow arch
Were yall also moving the melee boss on top of caster?
pallid quiver
Also, spell block requires you to block, so you should 100% have shield block up while tanking the caster in Court to make sure spell block works
marsh aurora
by having sb up 100% you get 30% more ss,
am i missing something on how this is related to threat?
lusty grotto
am i missing something on how this is related to threat?
ignore deathray
deathray = yogi
pallid quiver
Yogi talk takes some skill to understand. His heart's in the right place
marsh aurora
Also, spell block requires you to block, so you should 100% have shield block up...
alright that makes sense
lusty grotto
well, dont ignore him just dont give too much importance to what hes saying
tribal wharf
threat iant as importabt there as dps increase
but more dps more threat
means other tank can dps harder
mellow arch
Moa
tribal wharf
means monster dies
mellow arch
If yall weren’t moving the bosses onto each other it can result in a much lower parse
vivid orchid
they were
marsh aurora
yeah we were except for dispells
tribal wharf
for raids knowledge, yes, i d9nt know much on the raids
marsh aurora
i don't think the fight itself was the issue (it was a mess) but my SB uptime was definitely it
mellow arch
Solid, change up the uptime and I think you’ll notice a big change
pallid quiver
Oh, also, you only had 1 outburst sent on Thunder Blast. It's more damage by a non-zero amount to send outbursts on Thunder Blast if it's up on even 2 targets, so you can eke out some damage from there
lusty grotto
dont expect to have perfect parses on week 1, ive seen a few people talking about them today and they really dont fucking matter right now
tribal wharf
keys, im not expert but have a good understanding keys now
vivid orchid
aside the shield block stuff and what not
what I do see here is you have very little add damage to basically pad
which is why a lot of parses may be higher
mellow arch
Yeah parses don’t really matter the first little bit when everything is technically prog
marsh aurora
dont expect to have perfect parses on week 1, ive seen a few people talking abou...
my initial question was "why is it so much worse than any of my other ones"
pallid quiver
You're doing very good at sending outbursts on Shield Slam, though
mellow arch
It’s not a good fight to compare to each other
lusty grotto
my initial question was "why is it so much worse than any of my other ones"
im speaking generally
zealous goblet
i seek guidance
mellow arch
You have a higher execute fight and then you have court
zealous goblet
is there gonna be reason to have pvp weapons crafted as the season goes on?
marsh aurora
You're doing _very_ good at sending outbursts on Shield Slam, though
this is just me tanking dungeons as NL with banner as the last time i played, but back then thunder clap was never used on outburst
mostly for rage gen and banner uptime though
so i'm guessing with MT that changes
zealous goblet
i'm debating spending like 300k to get all the weapon recipes to expand my services, but that's a steep investment
marsh aurora
didn't know that, ty!
pallid quiver
You have a higher execute fight and then you have court
I think it's actually the perfect thing for what Moa needs to see; it's a lot of him not playing the fight as well as he did for the Execute fight. He sent his executes well and optimized for the needs for the Rash fight, but did not play to the damage profile of Court
tribal wharf
i wanted to like the banner so much but idespised it by the end
pallid quiver
so i'm guessing with MT that changes
It's specifically Thunder Blast, not clap, that you send it on
You still never want to send outbursts on Clap unless you're in bungo AOE looking for damage
But Thunder Blasts slaps, so it's worth it
marsh aurora
meant blast there, my bad
pallid quiver
It both has more rage gen to be on parity with Shield Slam and has damage, as well
mellow arch
I’m just saying when the boss is going to stay in an execute phase a lot longer than a boss who isnt, wouldn’t really be a good comparison
marsh aurora
Alright so SB uptime, outburst on blasts with 2 targets, spell block
mellow arch
(For dmg)
marsh aurora
I’m just saying when the boss is going to stay in an execute phase a lot longer ...
yeah yeah that was a fair comparison, although i wasn't really comparing numbers, mostly %
mellow arch
Spell block and reflect is your best friend on court
marsh aurora
but i played the fight poorly so i'll take all the advice!
vivid orchid
Alright so SB uptime, outburst on blasts with 2 targets, spell block
and just remember this one is annoying to parse compare since the high parses are people trying to hit all the adds as much as possible
mellow arch
I like to look at logs to compare the rotations and uptime and then compare myself the week going forward
I recommend doing that after you do raid next week moa
From this past week
marsh aurora
Yep will sure do
had more fun on prot than on the other tanks so i'll focus on getting better i guess
tribal wharf
i personqlly like bdk, as a side project
pallid quiver
On tank enjoyment, I've been enjoying my Pala I raised a decent amount. Probably because he's a dorf since I can play horde dorfs now, but it all feels nice.
i mean until i wog myself and my hp bar just refuses to move
tribal wharf
monk is good but im too dumb to play monk
marsh aurora
On tank enjoyment, I've been enjoying my Pala I raised a decent amount. Probably...
I mained prot pal in DF and it all just seems so weak now
pallid quiver
I last touched a Pala probably
BC?
so I ain't got that prior experience messing with me
marsh aurora
Damage is low, the sacrifices you gotta make to make templar work while learning a fight are horrendous, the tankiness is nowhere to be found
idk
lusty grotto
Damage is low, the sacrifices you gotta make to make templar work while learning...
damage isnt low
tribal wharf
paladin felt extremely weak from about 73 to 77
lusty grotto
not on prot pala
mellow arch
Dmg is actually pretty high
neat crow
Ya what even is with ppal rn, we took one for memes yday in a small normal pug and the guy was on average doing 100-150k less than me and taking wayyyy more dmg from melee lol
marsh aurora
just weird feeling with prot pal atm, probably biased by how good it was back then
tribal wharf
prot paldin lfd
pallid quiver
It's low if you're not messing with the Templar bits in ST, iirc? I only loosely see how their dam is calculated
mellow arch
They do the dam
lusty grotto
glass cannon though 🙂
marsh aurora
As i said, the sacrfices you gotta make on templar to optimize it while learning fights...
mellow arch
Very very squishy
marsh aurora
you can play prot but do not use avenger shield or wog
not like wog would matter anyways
but still
tribal wharf
how about raid with all the glass canon specs
mellow arch
I’ll sit out for that night yogi
lusty grotto
templar prot pally isn the 2nd highest ST dps out of all tanks
tribal wharf
you dont like the odd gamble
lusty grotto
and of course dotc blows everything out by miles, but you know most people wont dotc in prog
pallid quiver
I think he's specifically meaning that playing Templar feels jank, since you have to use Eye of Tyr offensively, and damage suffers if you don't in ST
mellow arch
Isn’t technically guardian top st? Because of cat weaving
marsh aurora
how are you second when sacrificing all sense of defensiveness
tribal wharf
c9nstant gamble no never rare gamble sure
lusty grotto
i was talking about dps
marsh aurora
I think he's specifically meaning that playing Templar feels jank, since you hav...
you can't use avenger's shield, can't use wog, it's not even the loss of eye of tyr cause that's manageable in nm/hc
tribal wharf
my protpal does the weapons build
lusty grotto
when hero raids become parsing grounds
pallid quiver
all i know is i have fun pressing the buttons
bleak wyvern
what il did you start m0s at?
pallid quiver
and that's the important part
lusty grotto
it'll be dotc > templar > deathbringer > colossus > and monk/dh remains to be seen
tribal wharf
but i have no idea what it does so i give it to all my party members on cd
mellow arch
what il did you start m0s at?
I was at like 588?
pallid quiver
what il did you start m0s at?
Depends on your skill level; I'd have felt comfortable starting them on prot war probably at like 560 tbh, but I've also played a lot of prot war and know what to look for/stop in M0s
The latter will get you killed at lower ilvl like that if you don't know
tribal wharf
i dont enjoy that i have to targ3t friendlies with heal and dispel as prot paladin
marsh aurora
i dont enjoy that i have to targ3t friendlies with heal and dispel as prot palad...
use mouseover macros, that'll help
dawn coral
paso
marsh aurora
what il did you start m0s at?
585 to 590 on all tanks, only suffered a bit on templar prot pal
dawn coral
so i know they made delves more difficult yesterday - they still hard as fuck or did they ever hotfix
tribal wharf
freedoms and bops, cleanse this snd that, ontop of tankis big nope for me
marsh aurora
hotfixed
bleak wyvern
i think ignore pain makes stuff extremely forgiving right?
mellow arch
Long as you don’t get hit in the back
marsh aurora
IP + SB makes you unkillable by regular trash if you know where to kick or cc yep
bleak wyvern
yeah isnt prot warriors biggest weakness always a mega slam or super magic damage
marsh aurora
megaslams do not go through sb + 2M IP
bleak wyvern
I need a break from dpsing, tanking has always been more chill imo
mellow arch
And prot warrior is in a super fun state rn
bleak wyvern
with IP you only want to hit it every 11 seconds right>
tribal wharf
i have no probl3m press a button that buffs someone nearby, dont like have to target, aay i need to bop healer for some key mechanic, i know id not always make that bop
marsh aurora
with IP you only want to hit it every 11 seconds right>
no you spam it to dump rage cause you don't press revenge unless it's the only button available
violet ginkgo
yeah isnt prot warriors biggest weakness always a mega slam or super magic damag...
No, magic damage you can still shield wall or spell block. Our biggest fear is usually Dots,
tribal wharf
pwar killer is heavy magic dmg and no healer
lusty grotto
with IP you only want to hit it every 11 seconds right>
you use it at 70 rage or higher
bleak wyvern
ah okay
tribal wharf
hit in back but tnats all tank, player even
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter if its up, or whatever, you just hit it once you hit 70 rage
lusty grotto
revenge not so much, as thane
marsh aurora
You don't press revenge really
lusty grotto
as colossus, you will, but not as thane
tribal wharf
i personally put moat spammable buttons close to 1
whatever my heart strike builds resource ability is, thats 1
violet ginkgo
True.
mellow arch
Well I don’t see whirlwind so you’re good on that end
warm plinth
char
tribal wharf
i tried to run nyalotha on hunter, and we stood at final boss for 4 hours after a like 5 or 6 hour session
waitingskme to join
and i never came out the same since
that was the very moment i decided i longer care about raiding at all
that and sanctum of dom sl
neon herald
mountain thane or colossus?
mellow arch
For what content?
waxen frigate
violet ginkgo
mountain thane or colossus?
if you confused just thane always
thick summit
getting hammered by hc broodtwister ovinax, any tips?
soft tusk
yeah
plush tendon
its a decent trinket
soft tusk
wish I had that at a 610 trink lol
plush tendon
actually not bad for M+
proper roost
yo if i'm only doing normal mode raid
all of the ilvl (not including very rare) is only 606 or lower right
just debating sending crests now before raid or after raid 🤔
shell fox
plush tendon
yo if i'm only doing normal mode raid
I just did alt norm and heroic at 590 I level
so you can do whatever you want 😄
proper roost
it's not for raid
dc about raid really, it's just a gamba for 1-2 tier tokens early
with some friends
hum hum hum
i'll just wait
maybe i'll get the neck copium
plush tendon
soft tusk
does this procc often?
soft tusk
does it have to be a boutiful delve or can I simply do a normal delve tier 8 to get this?
proper roost
i think it can be regular since
the chest is separate
not sure tho
never actually done a regular 8
lusty grotto
does it have to be a boutiful delve or can I simply do a normal delve tier 8 to ...
yes it can be a regular
soft tusk
wtf
proper roost
great question
violet ginkgo
when do we use this again? before last boss or start of delve
ancient scaffold
You get it from the end of one delve. It'll apply at the next delve you complete, so just pop them when you get it
soft tusk
when do we use this again? before last boss or start of delve
pop it before u enter the delve
violet ginkgo
after you use any duration applied?
I haven't got 1 so far so welp... maybe next week more luck
wooden widget
There’s a line in the guide
lusty grotto
after you use any duration applied?
theres none
wooden widget
To drop the bleed rage gen and spell block for 2x bloodborn
Does that have as much value with Spear?
Or mainly a roar thing
lusty grotto
its not a roar thing
rend and deep wounds
it doesnt mean you swap to roar
it'll just up your other 2 bleeds
wooden widget
Alright Ty!
soft tusk
after you use any duration applied?
u can apply it anytime, it will persist through death
the only way it will be removed is if you manually remove the buff
it's so odd our best vault gear will come off Delves (ilevel wise)
lusty grotto
its just this week
violet ginkgo
Thx nim and prom 👍
soft tusk
uh... from map chests..
jagged gust
all you need is 8 .12% drops!
soft tusk
Any good off tank weakauras for the raid?
thick summit
ran 4 t8 delves every day, not a single map
lusty grotto
1 or 2 days
jagged gust
I haven't planned anything yet, but there's a couple dungeons I'd definitely consider it for
autumn moat
Stonevault has some nasty 6-7 caster pulls that it might be useful for
lusty grotto
scatter
autumn moat
depends on how many aoe stuns/knockups in the group comp really
quasi pivot
Mandatory Abiliity for pug m+ 😉
jagged gust
It's a great just in case button! 🤡
inland vortex
is spell reflecting void bolt bugged on court? poison bolt debuffs the boss but void bolt doesnt
upper crow
Poison bolt is reflected back to boss. Void bolt is a deflect, you only avoid the dmg
neat crow
how long until the disrupting shout discussion is revived
I run it quietly without telling anyone why cause its better to not argue the button lmao
sweet summit
did they "fix" spell block by adding block cap?
sweet summit
it used to?!
jagged pier
maybe
sweet summit
that's funny as hell if true
lilac jetty
sense's sheet doesn't specify if liquefy or infest DOTs are blockable with spell block. if its not specified does that mean it is blockable?
sweet summit
then that means it's most likely not blockable
doesn't really make sense to block dots to me
lilac jetty
well on certain abilities he does specify when the inital hit is blockable and the follow up dot is not
sweet summit
why are there multiple of the same ability :/
lilac jetty
top one is the physical hit, and then i'm guessing there is an id for the inital magic hit and the follow up dot
same with liquefy
lilac jetty
ty sir ❤️
sweet summit
🫡
molten gorge
TIL that you can spell Liquify as Liquefy apparently
lucid nimbus
sense's sheet doesn't specify if liquefy or infest DOTs are blockable with spell...
Where can i find the sheet
lusty grotto
Where can i find the sheet
lucid nimbus
<#1266837564925673596>
Rofl i’m blind
dark plover
is this one bugged on sims? Showing higher crit than it should?
sweet summit
link?
sweet summit
is this one bugged on sims? Showing higher crit than it should?
no it looks like it gives the amount you showed on the in game tooltip at 603
dark plover
Ah ok, the tooltip is bugged then
sweet summit
what does the tooltip say and can you compare your crit natty and with buff?
dark plover
It gives you the correct amount of crit in game, compared to the tooltip. Raidbots tooltip shows
But I assume its a general thing with some trinkets though
sweet summit
oh yeah, raidbots just pulls tooltips from wowhead, to check where i went you go to full html report (might have to do a smaller sim for this)
hearty stump
What's the plan with crafted gear for prot? Shield and a ring generally?
Or a neck even?
dark plover
Are u playing casually now Erga
sweet summit
yeah, i am
dark plover
raiding at all?
sweet summit
What's the plan with crafted gear for prot? Shield and a ring generally?
with the new setting allowing you do add two sockets to any ring/neck crafting those kinda lost some value, but i don't think it's bad
i didn't see any amazing necks or rings from the dungeons this season 
can't really go wrong with shield either
i think most tryhards are still holding sparks for embellishment tuning?
sweet summit
raiding at all?
nah, none at all. might do heroic with friends eventually
dark plover
yeah same
Just m+ I guess, prolly wont even raid. Maybe help Method with some splits for loot but thats it
sweet summit
modern leaf
what makes the spare meat hook trinket so good? its the best on wowhead
sweet summit
it does damage
modern leaf
i see, but its single target. is it also the best in m+ then?
sweet summit
i'm guessing one of the 1.5min stat steroids are better for aoe
sweet summit
it's getting nerfed for everyone no?
jade panther
For tanks* he probably meant
sweet summit
ah i see, yeah
jade panther
Is there a reason we favor the shield from Mist compared to the shield From CoT ? CoT shield's has more haste
sweet summit
less stinky dungeon lol
jade panther
Moar haste though !
graceful kite
i see, but its single target. is it also the best in m+ then?
single target is still worth a lot in m+
esp for tanks
graceful kite
Is there a reason we favor the shield from Mist compared to the shield From CoT ...
bis lists are a thing of the past, stack haste check bloodmallet for trinkets and sim for everything else
Pro tip for droptimizer sims if you don't have a raidbots subscription you can just open 8 tabs and sim for 1 dungeon in each tab
jade panther
Pro tip for droptimizer sims if you don't have a raidbots subscription you can j...
❤️ ty for that
missing that arakara trinquet and my week is done x)
round thicket
Is the wax plating trinket seriously that bad that it's not even on any trinket lists even at the lowest tier? I got a Hero version off my delve and was excited since 20k DMG off any intake would be so nice for m(+) while healers are still struggling
graceful kite
healers aren't struggling with tank healing esp prot warr
round thicket
But the way it's nowhere to be seen makes me think I should just stick to my i580 damage trinket
graceful kite
20k dmg reduction is pure trash
round thicket
Alright I knew we had like 8m hp right now so 20k isn't a lot but I figured with all the casters and dots it'd do something
Since that's the prot weakness
jagged pier
Dots is every tanks weakness
And we are very good against the casts
So dont know where u getting the weakness from
We have huge uptime of sr demo and ip
graceful kite
Alright I knew we had like 8m hp right now so 20k isn't a lot but I figured with...
other trinkets ghive you stats which have def benefits by themselves or damage which makes encounters shorter
jagged pier
Spell block cover alot of the smaller casts in trash
graceful kite
more damage you have less damage you take
round thicket
I personally do not take spell block talent in favor of the thorns one but again Im rarely in danger of dying in dungeons anyway but I see healers struggling so anything to help me help them
jagged pier
The more strengh armour parry etc u have the more u reduce physical and more more ip teduces magic
jagged pier
I personally do not take spell block talent in favor of the thorns one but again...
The thorns one is garbage
graceful kite
If you're doing dungeons on a level where you won't need spellblock you wouldn't need a tank trinket?
jagged pier
Also that
round thicket
True but I am seeing dps die often in m0 and I can't get a trinket that heals them. Was assuming this is the next best thing haha
It's all good I know to replace it when I get another high str trinket now
graceful kite
You're taking a small dps increase over a huge defensive increase in talents but eqiuipping a horrible defensive trinket in place of a good dps one
fossil dragon
Is having 0 mastery okay?
halcyon umbra
What is stat prio for TWW ?
sweet summit
ilvl>>haste>crit>=vers>mastery
bleak sandal
Someone know if the trinket at ara kara, the eggs is still good with the next patch ?
sweet summit
it's losing like 50 strength per proc, i don't think that's the end of the world
alpine flume
Is Spare Meat Hook still BIS for Tank as single target DPS after the changess?
sweet summit
if they nuke it with the 66% less damage thingy i don't think it will be too hot
idk what they mean when they say now correctly deal reduced damage for tank specializations.
alpine flume
Ah the change hasn't gone live yet. Must have misread, so its live on M+ week?
sweet summit
yeah next reset
alpine flume
Okay. Guess we need to wait and see thanks erga
sweet summit
🫡
toxic pewter
I swear if i rip aggro off another pug tank im going to lose it
pastel geyser
I swear if i rip aggro off another pug tank im going to lose it
Its legion all over again
toxic pewter
last night had 3 tanks in a row i ripped aggro from
1 bear and 2 prot warrs
got prot warrs running m+ talents in heroic raids and stuff its awful out here
one tank was running intim shout on heroic princess a purely single target fight
rotund moon
is this sheild awful?
robust urchin
I dunno is it bad to not have any stamina at all and a horrendous proc rate?
ember token
Its good for... ilvl to up something better 😉
neat crow
one tank was running intim shout on heroic princess a purely single target fight
Tbh so many ppl are lazily forgetting their talents lol kinda typical really
toxic pewter
not typical for me, I run at peak efficiency
I am running all 3* enchants and consumables
plush path
at what enemy count does thunderclap become prioritized over ss
neat crow
not typical for me, I run at peak efficiency
I'll run talents but I literally ate up all my DF consumes in M0 and normal raid because what's the point of sweating for them 
- making my friends wait 10 seconds in 0s for fillet o fish crit buff was peak trolling
neat crow
Fillet is like not even a decimal percent rn
toxic pewter
for a raid in heroic when pugging it is important to buff up
neat crow
in heroic buffs and stuff are important it all adds up
Heroic for sure, anything below I'm just slapping on correct talents
toxic pewter
oh
I must of misread yeah im pugging heroic and people have wrong talents, all kinds of issues
neat crow
Ya been dad gamering so probably won't be in HC until Tuesday
neat crow
I must of misread yeah im pugging heroic and people have wrong talents, all kind...
Oh ye that should be kickable in heroic tbh
toxic pewter
for normal fairr enough yea
got another group prot warr is other tank
dude is running thunderlord.. on princess.. which is a dps check boss and they running intim shout
like whats going on here
orchid mural
stil no embellishment recommendations eh?
sweet summit
stil no embellishment recommendations eh?
lots of ppl waiting for next week in case tuning to them
wheat rivet
is there any working co-tank aura for nerub'ar palace?
neat crow
dude is running thunderlord.. on princess.. which is a dps check boss and they r...
Intimidating the boss is a dps increase
toxic pewter
wild
and I cant tell people to change their talents because people have told me that is not good to give unsolicited advice
vocal cave
hold demolish for demo shout and avatar or just fire and forget?
terse island
do we use our sparks now to craft or do we wait ?
pallid quiver
It's pretty much always fire and forget since you're wasting CDR otherwise
old heron
Hey everyone. Raiding hc tonight. Any tips/tricks I should know of?
jagged pier
hold demolish for demo shout and avatar or just fire and forget?
no u send everything on cd
orchid mural
is there any working co-tank aura for nerub'ar palace?
Wago search: chase nerub'ar
dark plover
I kinda prefer Thunderous Roar, but feels so bad to lose around 3k str from Armored to the teeth 😦
toxic pewter
what why you getting rid of armored to the teeth
dusky canopy
I think he wanted thunderous roar
orchid mural
Yeah, but u don't ditch armored - u ditch endurance training
toxic pewter
wat
enduring alacrity in spec tree
if you want thunderous roar just drop spear I guess and just get roar
and just dont get uproar
not sure uproar is better than a point in armored to the teeth but I think armored to the teeth is better in mt, st i guess uproar may be better
dark plover
Hard to say and probably pull dependent
orchid mural
pardon, meant to say endurance training
dark plover
U dont take endurance training
dawn coral
Just did the my t8 delve the wax candle. Good fuckin thin prot can still do those cake
tribal wharf
i got a bad feeling if i get more mid to bad groups for keys im gunna clock out real early from this expansion :S
mists, siege, nw, uldaman
thats half the dungeon pool i've already had multiple catasrophic failures in, by time it was i failed in ulda, had already decided dont want to subject my self to 10 hrs a day of trying to run only plague fall 15, ataldazar 11 for 3 hours at 3 am
im more in a phase where i want to move onto new things once things have gone wrong over and over
ill do a hard game or encounter, but once ive done it i dont want to do it again is how i feel about gaming recently
however, that being said, i did my very best to try to teach a group who didnt know the dungeon siege last night, we were able to beat the dungeon, but it would have been an over timer or 1 chest at very best if key.
told em all the mechanics where to walk, what to kick, what to dodge
7/8 on "keys" for vault, like, 5+ for world events, still don literal zero delve tho
ornate thicket
Pretty common early seasons
wheat rivet
Wago search: chase nerub'ar
nothing pops up under this search
tribal wharf
I would like to run grim batol, and mists today, so i am more comfortable with them, NW im only scared of trash that runs from boss 1 to 2
i very strongly dislike the trash in that section
outright negative towards it
violet ginkgo
I also just clear the normal raid today with guilds.
molten gorge
Pugging on world of warcraft was your first mistake tbh
dawn coral
Life as a pugger is rough but seemingly harder to find a guild each expac
tribal wharf
so many have burned but nobody is to blame
molten gorge
The problem with finding a guild is if you've taken a break at any point, you need to either have friends still playing or start from the absolute dregs
dawn coral
The problem with finding a guild is if you've taken a break at any point, you ne...
Exactly this
molten gorge
If you're willing to make the effort and start small, can definitely work your way back up in a season or 2 from what I've seen friends do, but ya, effort
tribal wharf
the biggest problem with raiding is simply getting 9 other players who awake and focused on the game to on location
you get 10 people that are absolutely determined to beat an obstacle that obstacle 1000% is coming down
tulip warren
from my experience it’s usually a core of people , let’s say ten , that kinda nolife the game and max everything and then usually you have another ten people that don’t have as much time and rotate through the roster
tribal wharf
stick 10 raiders in a room and make the raid leader an actual leader of the irl room group
and that group will becom literal unstoppable raiders
cuz now its, i look over at the healers screen
tribal wharf
uhhh, well, i would say the old baseball song
inland raft
really raiding is the easiest of the 3 end game activities, pvp, m+, raid. but its also the hardest because of trying to organize so many people and also need everyone to do mechanics properly so even if your half asleep executing mechanics someone else sneezes and walks into a puddle and causes a wipe
robust urchin
Much harder to boot someone who is sitting next to you
Nah you can just turn your head and say "you're fired noob"
tribal wharf
for its one, two, three (raids you've fucked) strikes and your out at the old balll gammmeee
ornate thicket
Lol
tulip warren
that raid group does not sound fun 😅
tribal wharf
no, but in terms of killing raid bosses
robust urchin
Raiding is not about fun
tribal wharf
literal unstoppable
robust urchin
It's about winning
ornate thicket
I had to explain the acid pool on last boss of raid as a jelly donut. Touch the donut but dont touch the jelly. It sticks with the pugs better
robust urchin
I had to explain the acid pool on last boss of raid as a jelly donut. Touch the ...
How does that make sense
violet ginkgo
Raiding is not about fun
I thought it's about looting
robust urchin
The jelly would be inside the donut
ornate thicket
Have you seen the mechanic on last boss. Its like a little jelly filling
On very center
robust urchin
Yeah but if you touch the donut you'd be outside the ring
You'd had to get into the donut to be inside
neat crow
i got a bad feeling if i get more mid to bad groups for keys im gunna clock out ...
Have u considered befriending the rare good ppl u find in these pugs to form groups and stuff
ornate thicket
Yeah get in donut but dont touxh the jelly
robust urchin
It would be better if you had said "imagine this as a waffle house, the center is the inside where a customer fights the cashier DO NOT GO THERE but the outside is the parking lot where you can watch the fight through the windows so go there"
neat crow
Like tbh a lot of the problem with WoW is its a who u know game, networking is a skill in itself that'll get you places quicker than perfect play
tribal wharf
this is what i was talking about eating the wave face tanking it and living it
u can see the buffs i had to survive it
robust urchin
Like tbh a lot of the problem with WoW is its a who u know game, networking is a...
I can buy a mythic ansurek kill Tommorow for as little as like 100usd
solid sun
Ive tried going to a small guild that’s not particularly good and working my way up and I end up just feeling bad when its time to leave the group
tribal wharf
didnt even need d stance and it only did like 80% of my life points
robust urchin
Ive tried going to a small guild that’s not particularly good and working my way...
The old pump and dump
Classic
solid sun
Or I end up tanking and the next guild only needs dps and they’ll say something like well where are your dps logs
neat crow
I can buy a mythic ansurek kill Tommorow for as little as like 100usd
Ya that's networking in itself tbh, networking urself into a job that let's u throw 100usd on achievements
robust urchin
Ya that's networking in itself tbh, networking urself into a job that let's u th...
Stimmy check ✅
tribal wharf
so, u could in theory, with defensive stance, ip and SW face tank 2 waves, but i wouldnt reccomend it
orchid mural
nothing pops up under this search
Causes* not chase. sorry.
chilly brook
Like tbh a lot of the problem with WoW is its a who u know game, networking is a...
Yes and no
Networking is a universal
But if you have skill you can get places quick
It’s just about knowing how and when to move on
neat crow
It’s just about knowing how and when to move on
Ya which is all part of the networking process
tribal wharf
there is non verbal socialing you can do in wow in a key
like, i go left and right rapid and jump in place to try to convey shits going down do somethin
neat crow
Tbh it's more attainable in keys to eventually get urself in a raid from what I found as u have a consistent revolving door
wheat rivet
Causes* not chase. sorry.
he hasn't released the co-tank weak aura yet
neat crow
And if ur able to network a decent core of players to do keys with it'll translate into raid
chilly brook
Ya which is all part of the networking process
It’s more the “I don’t want to be a dick” thing that people get hung up on
neat crow
It’s more the “I don’t want to be a dick” thing that people get hung up on
If ur better then ur better, it's kinda the dog eat dog of the game
chilly brook
I could probably move up 1000 ranks or so in guilds, I’ve had people try to poach me, I just like the group I’m in
tribal wharf
one thing that i find helps immensely in keys is put a marker on your self, square is defualt for me but some tanks prefer orange circle "condom" for protection
neat crow
I could probably move up 1000 ranks or so in guilds, I’ve had people try to poac...
Which is OK if thats what you've chosen tbh
tribal wharf
and star on healer and explain healer and tank markers so party knows whree u are
chilly brook
For the most part I see end boss of the raid in mythic and if we get CE great, if not no biggie
neat crow
A lot of the higher ranked guilds can be more sweaty. Its about finding ur happy spot tbh
chilly brook
At least the tier was fun
robust urchin
one thing that i find helps immensely in keys is put a marker on your self, squa...
That's such a funny yogi. Condom for Protection because our tanking spec is called protection. You came up with this yourself?
tribal wharf
nah, some NA broski hunter when i was playing naxx and ulduar
robust urchin
Still 🤣
tribal wharf
but it was common place to say it just like that for a long time,
robust urchin
I never heard it referred to as condom it was always just orange
Maybe I don't play with fun people
tribal wharf
i always liked the square icon because it resembles a shield which primarily i play tanks that can block or parry
chilly brook
Genuinely probably could done top 300 in college but I just didn’t have the confidence as a player to just go for it
robust urchin
Genuinely probably could done top 300 in college but I just didn’t have the conf...
Why not
chilly brook
Rn, I can’t be fucked playing 3-5 nights a week in raiding, super happy with my one night CE schedule
robust urchin
What was keeping you down
tribal wharf
but, i never ever mark mobs unless its skull and x and even then its just on 2 generic casters